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363: Sister Wives Rewind - It's Worse Than We Thought (S11 E1) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Reality TV Cringe, the podcast. I'm Delia.
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  Speaker 1: I'm one of your co-hosts and I'm here with my
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  Speaker 1: real tight homegirl and my daughter-in-law, the beautiful Beatrice.
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  Speaker 2: That's me.
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  Speaker 1: We are here launching into an entirely new season, rewind season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Of Sister Wives. We're going into season 11. This is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a recap for episode one. And I
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  Speaker 1: just want to front load it by saying it was
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  Speaker 1: an awesome and drama-licious episode. I was actually telling Beatrice
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  Speaker 1: that I think this might be the best episode that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen on the show for all of these seasons.
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  Speaker 2: It was really great.
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  Speaker 1: They covered so much. And so this recap, I hope,
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  Speaker 1: is pretty juicy. But before we get into it, we
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  Speaker 1: do have to issue you that disclaimer, which is to
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  Speaker 1: hide your wife And hide your kids.
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  Speaker 2: Get them out of here.
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  Speaker 1: This is an irreverent podcast. We are a couple of
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  Speaker 1: body trying to be funny, trying to have a good
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  Speaker 1: time and just vibe. We're in flow states. And so
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  Speaker 1: if you're sensitive, get out of here. You might want
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  Speaker 1: to find yourself another dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: Bye.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are ready to finally meet for the
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  Speaker 1: first time in the dumpster, Too many tacos, Tony. Padron.
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  Speaker 2: Woo!
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  Speaker 1: Then welcome to this dumpster.
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  Speaker 2: We reacted to the season 21 trailer of Sister Wives
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  Speaker 2: plus some booty live that Christine and David did where
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  Speaker 2: they revealed some secrets.
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  Speaker 1: Did they?
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Well, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We chopped it up, though.
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  Speaker 2: We did. But we reacted to that only on Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of other juicy bonus content over there.
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  Speaker 2: Please, will you?
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  Speaker 1: Every single thing you do helps us in the algorithm
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  Speaker 1: and so thank you in advance.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we also wanted to mention because we're about to
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  Speaker 1: go into the new season, season 21 of Sister Wives,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to mention to you that we're going to
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  Speaker 1: open up these phone lines once again. That means you,
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  Speaker 1: fellow dumpster dweller, can give us a call. You've got
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  Speaker 1: 90 seconds. It's entirely free. You can do it on
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  Speaker 1: your phone and you can sound off about the upcoming
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  Speaker 1: season or if you watched the trailer. What did you
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  Speaker 1: think about that trailer? What do you think about Cody
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  Speaker 1: and Robin not returning? We're going to keep these lines
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  Speaker 1: open throughout the entire season and we definitely want to
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  Speaker 1: hear from you. So if you want to sound off too,
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  Speaker 1: Beatrice and Delia, all you have to do is go
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  Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. We'd love to hear about it. Yes. Now,
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  Speaker 1: before we launch into this recap, there were just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of items of gossip this week.
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  Speaker 2: Just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: In the Sister Wives universe, and we just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: touch upon it. Take it away.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first one has been posted kind of everywhere. Even,
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  Speaker 2: what was that article? TVAce.com or something even reported on
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  Speaker 2: it of an alleged Cody Brown Instagram post that has
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  Speaker 2: been deleted.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no. What did it say, Beatrice?
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  Speaker 2: It says, after more than 16 years filming Sister Wives,
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  Speaker 2: Robin and I have made the very hard decision to
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  Speaker 2: walk away from the show and We are grateful for
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to share our family with all of you.
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  Speaker 2: Through all the ups and downs, we have opened our
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  Speaker 2: homes and hearts to so many of you. You are welcome.
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  Speaker 2: But times have changed. And so is our family and
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  Speaker 2: the nature of the show. We are no longer interested
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  Speaker 2: in the narrative that is being shared and have decided
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  Speaker 2: our piece cannot be bought. We wish the other three
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  Speaker 2: women the best of luck and hope they can forge
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  Speaker 2: their own paths forward without using Robin and I for
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  Speaker 2: a storyline. To our loyal fans, this will not be
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  Speaker 2: the last you see of us. We have some very
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  Speaker 2: exciting announcements coming soon. Peace and love, Cody Brown.
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  Speaker 1: So of course, when I saw that initially, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, it has been Quite a long time
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  Speaker 1: since Cody Brown has posted on social media. I think
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  Speaker 1: the last time he posted was for Special Forces and
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  Speaker 1: it felt like a forced post that he was contractually
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  Speaker 1: obligated to make. So I got really excited and then
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  Speaker 1: I got kind of reactive because of the tone of
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  Speaker 1: this particular post. But then Beatrice informed me that... It's fake.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fake post.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fake post.
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  Speaker 1: They got me. They got the boomer in the room.
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  Speaker 1: I'm booming out.
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  Speaker 2: They got a lot of people, actually. I mean, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people think that this post is real, but
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  Speaker 2: it was fabricated. It was created by Ace Fanning, who
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  Speaker 2: is like one of the hosts of the Shit Talk podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And they don't like us.
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  Speaker 1: They hate us. I don't know why they would hate us.
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  Speaker 1: We are so awesome. I think we mentioned them once. Probably.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They didn't like it at all.
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  Speaker 2: For some reason. I mean, we were being nice, but whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, they were the ones that created it. They
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  Speaker 2: posted it on Instagram and they posted it as if
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  Speaker 2: it was real. And then they edited the post and said,
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  Speaker 2: just FYI, this is a joke, but this is after
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  Speaker 2: everybody took it very seriously. Oh no.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been going around the internets and it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: And it has been debunked. Yes. So nobody believed that hype.
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  Speaker 2: No one at all.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I also know that Janelle made a post on
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram recently, which was an actual real post. Tell
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  Speaker 1: us about that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So she posted a video of her and her boyfriend, Pia.
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  Speaker 1: Pia.
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  Speaker 2: And they're driving around somewhere. And Janelle captioned the video saying,
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  Speaker 2: a nod to my passenger princess era. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: I've ever been one before, but I could really get
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  Speaker 2: used to this. And then she had a comment that said, um,
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  Speaker 2: Pete drives, he opens my car door and he makes
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  Speaker 2: sure I am taken care of. He spoils me in
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  Speaker 2: lots of old fashioned ways. I really could get used
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  Speaker 2: to it. And then she had a little comment underneath
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  Speaker 2: that was a little bit of a dig to Cody
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  Speaker 2: Brown where she said, and he gives me the luggage
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  Speaker 2: rack for all of those asking. I've never had someone
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  Speaker 2: watch out for me and take care of me like
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  Speaker 2: he does.
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  Speaker 1: Heart eyes.
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  Speaker 2: So that was pretty great. I mean, it was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a dig to Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely a swipe. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I appreciate that. I want more of that.
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  Speaker 1: It is a crumb.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It is barely a vapor that we can detect. Like
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  Speaker 1: we need more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I will take whatever I can get,
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  Speaker 1: like a greedy raccoon.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: Drag him.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: We need you guys to drag him.
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  Speaker 2: At least he's trained her well though.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I'm so happy for that. Me too. She deserves that.
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  Speaker 1: I truly believe it.
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  Speaker 2: She does.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So without further ado, now that that's out
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  Speaker 1: of the way, let's get into our recap of Sister
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  Speaker 1: Wives season 11. Before we do, we should probably mention
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to be here next week.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we're just going to do this one episode and
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  Speaker 1: then we're just going to peace out on season 11. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is a long episode though. It was a two
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  Speaker 1: hour special episode. So we're going to cover it this
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  Speaker 1: week and then we're going to take off next week
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  Speaker 1: in preparation for the big event, the cultural event in
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  Speaker 1: the dumpster of So next week, we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be posting anything on our podcast or on YouTube, only
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  Speaker 1: on Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if you still want some contents from your girls,
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  Speaker 1: make sure you sign up to Patreon. Okay, without any
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  Speaker 1: further ado, season 11, episode 1, entitled... It's Worse Than
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  Speaker 1: We Thought.
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  Speaker 2: And it is. Dun, dun, dun.
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  Speaker 1: It is worse than we thought. Oh, I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: your takeaway.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do we need one?
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  Speaker 1: I have one, though.
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  Speaker 2: My takeaway is Too Many Tacos Tony has got some audacity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, all the audacity. Audacity. For some reason, I had
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  Speaker 1: recalled him bringing up the Browns taking a loan against
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  Speaker 1: their homes, which they could not do because they're overly leveraged,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. But I had thought that that happened more
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  Speaker 1: into the season. I didn't know straight out of the gate.
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  Speaker 1: We were going right to the loan. Me neither. That
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of audacity. My takeaway is, and I've
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  Speaker 1: already told you because I left you a message on
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  Speaker 1: the WhatsApp, is just that Mary in this conversation at
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  Speaker 1: the end of this episode with Cody was such a
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  Speaker 1: petulant little baby. The way that she talks, the way
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  Speaker 1: that she can't just be, I don't know, a normal
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  Speaker 1: person having a conversation with It really rubbed me the
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  Speaker 1: wrong way for someone who has a desire, which her
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  Speaker 1: desire seems to be to reconnect with Leon, but also
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  Speaker 1: to reconnect with Cody and to get their marriage back
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  Speaker 1: on track. Just for somebody who has that kind of
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  Speaker 1: a desire, like, why aren't you being a little nicer? Like,
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  Speaker 1: you're just such a bull in a china shop. She
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  Speaker 1: was annoying me.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: She was annoying me.
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  Speaker 2: She is annoying.
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  Speaker 1: She is annoying. And that's all. That's all I have
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  Speaker 1: to say. Okay, let's get into the recap.
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  Speaker 2: Take it away. Well, like we said, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: in this episode. We have a lot of things going on.
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  Speaker 2: The start of the episode was kind of a nothing burger.
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  Speaker 2: We have Madison going over to Christine's house to ask
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  Speaker 2: little Truly if she would be the flower girl at
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  Speaker 2: her wedding, which I thought was kind of cute. Truly
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  Speaker 2: is adorable to me. She's got such sass. I know
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  Speaker 2: you are a kid hater.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a kid hater. I love children. Well. But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's just got a lot of energy.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't handle that.
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  Speaker 1: She's very talkative. I can handle that. I just, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. There's just something about it. It's annoying to me.
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  Speaker 2: I thought she was cute.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: She's very talkative. She's got a big personality.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited to be the flat.
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  Speaker 2: Girl.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very cute how she talks.
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  Speaker 2: I thought she was cute. And obviously Madison is stressed
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  Speaker 2: out because her wedding is in two months. It's in June.
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  Speaker 2: And so everybody, not just her, is prepping for this wedding.
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  Speaker 2: But then we promptly get right into the Tony McKelvey
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  Speaker 2: stuff because we have Christine who calling Cody over and saying,
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  Speaker 2: we need to talk, bitch. And we have this whole
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  Speaker 2: like theatrical thing about how Cody gets these phone calls
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  Speaker 2: like multiple times a day from multiple women, multiple members
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  Speaker 2: of the family and how it stresses them out a bit.
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  Speaker 2: So he goes over to Christine's house and this is
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  Speaker 2: where Christine tells Cody that McKelty came up to her
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  Speaker 2: in Hawaii to tell her that Tony wants to marry her.
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  Speaker 2: And Cody is like just as shocked as Christine. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell? We don't even know this guy. But
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  Speaker 2: what bothered me is that Christine and Cody are like,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know him at all, but he's come over
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  Speaker 2: to the house a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So they have gotten to meet him. We were wondering
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  Speaker 2: last week if, you know, Christine had this big reaction
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  Speaker 2: because she had not met Tony at all. Right. Which
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  Speaker 2: would have been fair and valid, but no, they have
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  Speaker 2: met him. They know that McKelty's been dating him and
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  Speaker 2: they're acting like they don't know him very well at all.
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  Speaker 2: And I just I'm just going to say I'm bothered
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  Speaker 2: by Christine and Cody's reaction to this for most of
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  Speaker 2: the episode because they think it's very rushed. They think
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  Speaker 2: that McKelty and Tony are like jumping the guns. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, didn't you raise your kids to be this way?
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  Speaker 1: Weren't you this way?
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  Speaker 2: Weren't you this way?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as recently as Robin, like, didn't they court
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  Speaker 1: for like five or six months and then they got married, right?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I think they had probably had a
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  Speaker 2: little bit longer, but the OG three definitely were rushed
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  Speaker 2: into their weddings like within three months.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was very, very quick. This is very common
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of Mormon marriages and I'm assuming fundamentalist
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  Speaker 2: Mormon marriages. So I'm just like, y'all need to chill
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  Speaker 2: out with the whole it's rushed because this is what
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  Speaker 2: you raised your kids to do. This is what you
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  Speaker 2: modeled for them. And I understand Cody being like kind
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  Speaker 2: of reserved about it. He's like, well, they should take
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  Speaker 2: some more time to get to know each other. You know,
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  Speaker 2: with all my years of wisdom, you know, I've realized
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  Speaker 2: looking back that rushing into my marriages wasn't the smartest thing.
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  Speaker 1: Which was an interesting statement because I think he's in
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  Speaker 1: this at least part of the timeline. He is regretting
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  Speaker 1: his primary three relationships with the OG3. I thought there
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  Speaker 1: was a difference though in the reservation thing. that Cody
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  Speaker 1: had versus the reservation that Christine had, because Cody seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be motivated primarily by money. And he did say like,
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  Speaker 1: it's too soon. And maybe he does sincerely want better
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  Speaker 1: for his kids because he is in a season of
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  Speaker 1: life where he's realizing like that didn't that formula didn't
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  Speaker 1: work for me. I should have waited. I should have
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  Speaker 1: courted much longer and maybe I would not have married
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  Speaker 1: these women. And so he wants better for his kids.
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  Speaker 1: But more than that, it's the money because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much TLC is contributing for Maddie's wedding. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're contributing some, but I do think the Browns are
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  Speaker 1: probably coming out of pocket for some or most of
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  Speaker 1: that wedding. And then the idea of just two months
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  Speaker 1: after that, which is what Tony and McKelty ultimately propose,
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  Speaker 1: is that they get married in August, Maddie gets married
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  Speaker 1: in June, like to come out of your pocket even more.
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  Speaker 1: Like Cody's worried about the money. But Christine seems to
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  Speaker 1: have a different concern. I think it is split between
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  Speaker 1: who she knows McKelty to be and the way that
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  Speaker 1: she's describing McKelty here as flighty and... naive, impulsive, impulsive, childish, childish, immature.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like Christine.
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  Speaker 2: That bothered me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That bothered me too. And I'm trying to remember how
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  Speaker 1: old she was when she married Cody.
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  Speaker 2: Like 19 or 20.
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  Speaker 1: You're still immature, Christine. So like she has, she has
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  Speaker 1: a concern about McKelty. And honestly, I share some of
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  Speaker 1: those concerns.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For any woman who wants to marry somebody at 19,
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  Speaker 1: I would share that concern. but there's also just something
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  Speaker 1: about how she's viewing Tony here that feels like there's
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  Speaker 1: an undercurrent of something else is going on. Maybe she
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  Speaker 1: thinks not unlike myself, that he's a bit repulsive. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she's wondering why does he talk like that? She has
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  Speaker 1: marbles in his mouth. What's going on, young man, snap
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  Speaker 1: out of it. Or maybe one of these things is
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  Speaker 1: not like the other. And I'll just, he's too different
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  Speaker 1: from the culture of the family. And that's, that I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people have made that because Tony
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  Speaker 1: is a person of color, like maybe there was a
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  Speaker 1: bit of bias against him.
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  Speaker 2: I've kind of heard that about, some Mormons, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to say all of them, but like some Mormons
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  Speaker 2: can definitely be.
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  Speaker 1: I think black people weren't, were considered to be satanic
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  Speaker 1: until the seventies in the LDS, or they were considered
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  Speaker 1: to be of the devil or demonic until the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: That's modern times. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying all Mormons believe that. I think that
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of, you know, Mormon families and stuff
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  Speaker 2: that probably believe in that kind of a thing. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what the real reason is.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's some justification for, christine and cody
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  Speaker 2: worrying about it being too fast i mean obviously like
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  Speaker 2: they don't they don't know tony well enough like they
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  Speaker 2: have met him they've you know probably known him at
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  Speaker 2: a superficial level but they don't know him well enough
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  Speaker 2: cody says something like you know it's weird that mckelty
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  Speaker 2: wants to get married to him when the family hasn't
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  Speaker 2: vetted him enough yet and i'm just like well she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really need anybody's permission she is a grown adult And,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I know I'm jumping ahead here, but like
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Robin was the voice of reason.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: She actually often is.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: She literally said, like, I don't understand what the big
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: deal is when Maddie and McKelty are literally the same
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: age and we're so supportive of Maddie marrying a 30-year-old man,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: but we're not as supportive for McKelty marrying a 22-year-old
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: frumpy dumpy boy from St.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: George, Utah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't make sense to me. I kind of
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: wondered because we kind of brush over it a little bit.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Tony is an LDS Mormon. And Robin also mentions that
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a known thing for Mormons to rush
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: into marriages because they want to fuck. They want to
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: get their pencils wet. And so maybe the concern with
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like Christine and Cody is like, okay, are y'all just
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: wanting to bang? Is that the reason why you want
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to rush it? Maybe let's not do that. But again,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: you raised your kids to believe in this kind of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: a lifestyle and You modeled it for them, not once,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: not twice, but three times. And then you also got Robin.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And I just don't understand what the big hullabaloo is.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It probably is mainly money because they're broke.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: And that he's so different, I think. Although when Cody
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: sits down with Tony, he seems super open to him.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I thought he seemed super open to Tony. He expressed
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: what his concerns were. Tony.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Was I think eminently reasonable and he's going to ultimately
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: give him the blessing. I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead, but
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: like I felt, I felt like he was very respectful.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Cody was, and I thought that he was very kind
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and welcoming to Tony overall. It's Christine to me that
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: is the one with the problem here.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think Christine primarily is the one that's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: talking shit about her own daughter throughout the episode. I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Cody does express things like, you know, McKelty is a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: little bit immature and, you know, he says the time
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: in St. George was supposed to be for her to
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: kind of grow up a little bit because apparently McKelty
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: actually wanted to move up to Washington state and Cody
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: and Christine shot that dream down because they were like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: we don't have the money to move you up there
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and then move you back. Like you fail.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: You have the money to send her to Washington state
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and help her with her rent for a little while.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And that's my other issue. Okay. So like they, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: they shot down her dream. They settled on St. George,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Utah because it was like closer and they could kind
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: of keep an eye on her and she could work
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: at the pawn shop with their family friends or whatever.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But they keep talking about money in this episode. And
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what? You had 1 million children.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's kind of your responsibility to like figure out the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: finances a little bit or set your kids up to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: be able to be independent when they're adults. Like that's fine.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I understand not being able to pay for college for
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: every single one of these children I get that it's
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a lot but if you're a parent and you have
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: five other adults in this family that are supposed to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: be funding all of these children why is it such
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: an issue for McKelty to just like move away or
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: get married I don't know I just I think it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Well to me it kind of sent up a flare
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: like well where is the money then how is it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: being distributed around the homes like how much is Christine
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: getting how impossible would it truly be for Christine to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: finance a wedding for McKelty? Like for me, it would have, if,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: if Cody, if I was his wife and Cody was
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: super reticent to pay for it because we didn't have
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the money, I'd be like, okay, but how much, how
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: much is, how much are we getting though? How much
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: is going into the family LLC? How much is my
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: house getting? How much is Robin's house getting? Like, let's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: take an accounting of what is happening here. Like these
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: are the, years where they're paying the big bucks for
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: their kids exactly and we know from Mary that Mary
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: had to pay for Leon going to college also paid
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: for Leon's car I think Christine ended up well we
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: know she paid for Isabel's surgery out of her pocket
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like Christine ended up funding her children I'm pretty sure
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Janelle did the same thing I'm just not I just
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: don't know why you're not asking these questions like where's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the money why can't we afford it though we've been
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: on now for a We don't have money saved for
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: each kid for their, for their weddings. Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Even just 20 G's per kid or something. Like you
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: could have socked something away, right?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Seriously. Or even a portion of it, but like maybe
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: to your point about how the money is being dispersed.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Like if we know that all of the wives are
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: getting an equal share of it. So Mary gets an
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: equal share, even though she's got one child who doesn't
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: even live with her anymore. But like Christine has the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: same share and Janelle has the same share. Maybe the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: way they break down the finances is Cody looks at
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Christine and is like, well, you have to pay for
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: all of Truly's hospital bill because she was in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: ER for nine days. So you're going to be stuck
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: with that debt, which means that we can't afford to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: send McKelty to college up in Washington state, or we
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: can't even afford to move her up there, which wouldn't
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: be that expensive. Also, like I've moved around a million times.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You can do it on the cheap. But we can't
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: afford to do that. We're going to send McKelty to St. George.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: We're also not going to let her get married too
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: close to Maddie because we can't afford that because we're
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: going to allocate a lot of money to Janelle for
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Maddie's wedding. Like maybe that's how they're kind of dividing
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: things up. And then of course, Robin's getting a bunch
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of money for her Dickensian villages and her amethyst crystals
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I don't know. It just
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: struck me the wrong way when they were like, we
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: can't afford to pay for this. I'm like, well, you
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: had all these kids though. You can't just like pay
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: for this wedding for Maddie and then tell McKelty, sorry,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: we're too broke to pay for your wedding. Like that's lame.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think that's lame. So when
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Cody ends up sitting with Tony and having this conversation,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Tony ends up coming over to Christine's house. They're going
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to have dinner. The vibe is off.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Kind of weird.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's pretty tense and weird. Christine has kind of a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: judgy face on her. She's not really happy to be there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: She says something to the camera like, I wish I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: could have been more supportive and happy for McKelty, but
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the truth is I'm not. And I'm not going to be.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not supportive of this marriage. I'm not happy for McKelty.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just not.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Well, she also says that she wishes that she could
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have done things a little differently in Hawaii when McKelty
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: came to her to tell her about her impending nuptials
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to Tony. She's like, I wish I could have said
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: some of the things that I know McKelty would have
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: liked to hear. And I'm like, that's a good impulse.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That's a good motherly instinct. But why are you again
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on camera dragging your child? Why are you doing it again?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The whole episode. It's crazy how much they disparage McKelty.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, there could have been a way where
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you could have maybe said a few little things like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you know, we're just worried about her maturity level or something.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And we're worried about them being too young. Like that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: fair and valid. Those are all parental worries to have,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: but like over and over again, they're like shitting on
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: McKelty and her personality and how she doesn't think things through.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And she's too spontaneous.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It was really crushing too, because when we get to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this scene where Tony and McKelty are talking to Cody
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and Chris, Christine, McKelty is trying to do everything right.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: She's coming to her father for the blessing. And it,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: feels like if Cody withholds the blessing, they're not going
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: to do it. Like they're going to honor and respect
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: that and follow Cody's terms. Like I could have never
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: done that at 18 years old. I was out popping
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: my pussy, doing my own thing, getting married at 18.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I was doing whatever the if I wanted to do.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But McKelty's really trying to honor her mother and father.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And still you've got sniping Christine behind the scenes talking
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: all of this crap about her. Anyway, it made me
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: feel bad. Back to Cody and Tony on that small
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: little sofa in Christine's bedroom where they're facing each other
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: with their beer bellies out. Like two sumotori wrestlers.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I thought Cody had a six pack that Janelle was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: so obsessed with. I don't see it. Maybe a six
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: pack of beer.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And he's wearing these tight little jeans, which is pronouncing
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the bulbous aspect of his belly. I'm like, Cody, you
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't see yourself the way that I do.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I know it's crazy.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And he's wearing these like, slippers as we call them
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii or um flip-flops yeah you can see it's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: his new stylish choice I can't do it it's really
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: bad is like flopping around and.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It's all like frizzy and burnt he's in his surfer
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: era it's totally a surfer era I don't get it
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: surfer in Las Vegas of all places and you're right
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Cody is trying to be gracious to Tony in this
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: conversation like he's willing to hear him out which I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: do oddly enough respect like I'm glad that at least
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: even though Christine is worried as fuck and she's not
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: supportive of it. I think Cody, maybe it's for the cameras.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Cody is trying to just be like, okay,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I may not approve of it, but like my daughter's 19. Okay.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: She's an adult. Like we're just going to hear this out. And, uh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Tony does introduce the conversation pretty well. He's like, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: really love McKelty. I would love to marry her. I'm
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: just asking for your blessing. Um, And Cody gives his
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: opinions about it a little bit. He's like, I know
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: you're LDS. I know you're kind of doing this Mormon
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: style and we're kind of rushing it a little bit.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I do have some stipulations. If you are willing to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: hear me out and Tony is willing to hear him out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: One of the biggest stipulations for Cody is that I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: don't want you to take my daughter away and my
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: future grandchildren away just because we're polygamous. Like I know
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you're LDS. the LDS church doesn't approve of polygamy. Like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: please don't denounce me and my family and don't keep
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: my daughter away from me and my grandchildren away from me.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And also raise your grandchildren to be open to polygamy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Just allow them to be able to make their choice, basically.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: He's not saying that they need to live polygamy, but
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: just allow them that openness. And Tony does agree to it.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: He's like, I completely understand your concerns and whatnot. There
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was something else. Oh, Cody does say, you know, are
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you going to be okay with not having a temple marriage?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Because Tony is LDS Mormon, the LDS church not only
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: rejected Maddie for the fact that her family is polygamist,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: but they did reject McKelty for the same reason. So
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: because they rejected McKelty, Tony and McKelty can't get married
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: in the Mormon temple. And And Cody asks him if
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: he's going to be okay with that. And Tony's like, well,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I would really love to get a temple marriage,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: but at the same time, like I'm fine to wait
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: because maybe the LDS church will change their minds in
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the future or something. And we can have a temple marriage,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of an odd answer.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he's hoping that at some point when the show
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: is no longer a thing, maybe they can try again
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to have McKelty convert. It just makes me so mad.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It just makes me think of Jesus on the cross
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and the thief on the cross, the thief who he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: tells in this day, you will join me in paradise.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Like that thief wasn't baptized. That thief didn't go through
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: some sort of temple initiation or anything else. That thief
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: was just loved and accepted into the kingdom of heaven.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but Mormons, you can't let McKelty in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: She's marrying an LDS and she wants to be a Mormon. Like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that, but like churches be wilding. It's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: very much a, you can't sit with us kind of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a mentality. And I'm just like, okay, but I thought
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we're all believing in the same God, but okay, whatever.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That's naive.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess so. And so Tony is just
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: in love with McKelty and ultimately I think he just
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: wants to fuck.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So I think- Ew, do you think they're soaking?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I was kind of wondering that because
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they're kind of close to each other a little bit
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: for like this courtship that's supposed to be very chaste.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, maybe you guys are soaking. Maybe you
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: all are touching each other. But at the same time,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Tony seems like he's trying to be a good Mormon boy.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And he does give off very virgin energy.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: He does. He does give off virgin energy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: So maybe they haven't touched each other yet. And that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: maybe why they want to rush this courtship a bit.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And Cody brings up that In his next point, he's like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I would really love it if you could
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: like wait a little bit longer. Like this is pretty
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: fast and this is very Mormon style. And Cody offers
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the alternative of like, can you wait like maybe 10 months,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: maybe a year? Like I'm not asking you to wait
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a long time, but just like a little bit longer.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And Tony doesn't say yes right away. He says, I'll
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: talk to McKelty about it because we want to fuck ultimately.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And... We have a timetable.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We have a timetable. And Tony does bring up in
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: this conversation they want to get married in August, which
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I do think is ridiculous. Yes. Like, on its face.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Tone deaf and definitely would steal Maddie's thunder. Whether that's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the intention or not, I can't say, but it's a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: booty thing to do.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And I think that it's a difficult situation because... you
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: do have this family that is so large and you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: have so many kids that are in their adult prime
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: years right now at the same time. And you have Logan,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: who's also in like a long-term relationship. And, you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: he might not be thinking about marriage at this very moment,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: but like what I'm trying to say is all of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: these kids are in relationships. They're going to want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: get married. It kind of sucks that they can't really
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: get married close to each other because you don't want
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to steal the other kids' thunder and stuff like that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: So again, From that perspective, you know, it sucks that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: McKelty and Tony are being told to wait. But at
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the same time, I'm like.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It's not your money.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: No.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: To me, it's not your money. If I were Cody,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I would have just said, look, if you want us
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to contribute to your wedding, you're going to have to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: wait at least one year. If you guys want to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: do it yourself and YOLO it and ELOPE, then go
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: ahead and do that. But we can't contribute anything monetarily.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Then fine.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It is up to you. It is your choice.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: It's not a rejection. It is an option.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Right. And Cody... does say in his talking head a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: couple times he's like I really don't want to push
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: them too much here like I don't want to restrict
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: them by giving them all of these like stipulations or
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: these rules that they have to abide by or whatever
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't want them to just go run off
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and get eloped without including everybody he wants to be included,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: but he also wants to give his parental opinion. And
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: he's also totally hinting at the fact that like, yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: we're not going to pay for a wedding in August
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: after just paying for one in June, bitch. But Tony's
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: not really happy about it. McKelty's not really happy about
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: it either because she really wants an August wedding. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: this is where we get the scene with Tony and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: McKelty on the couch where he says, if finances are
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the only issue, then why don't you just take out
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a loan.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Against your house?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Why don't you just take out a home equity loan?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's a thing. Do they know that?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You 22 year old idiot. Of course they know that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. Could you imagine if I came into
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: your family? And I was like, yeah, I'm going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: marry your daughter and I want you to pay for
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: it and I want you to take out a home
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: equity loan.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Not me. Can you imagine my husband?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. He would have been so fucking mad.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: He would have been like, get the fuck out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He would have absolutely been like, no.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It is not going to happen.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I just can't imagine being a kid asking your parents.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: girlfriends parents that like that's just like so wild to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: me well it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Is like an old-fashioned tradition that the family of the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: bride is the one that foots the bill for the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: entire thing that's crazy to me too it's very nuts
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and if my daughter had been heterosexical and married a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: boy i'd have been you're on your own honey i'm
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: not paying for your whole shindig and stuff like i'll
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: help you buy your dress or something maybe i'll buy
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the cake but like if you guys want to spend
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that kind of money. See, I personally, my own value
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: is I would never spend a ton of money on
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a wedding. And, but if you want to go ahead,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: but you're going to have to fund that yourself.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Literally, my parents always said the same thing to me.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: They're like, if you ever grow up and marry a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: man or whatever, and you want a traditional marriage, you're
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: paying for it. And I'm like, yeah, okay. And I've
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: also never been the kind of person that's like, I'm
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: going to spend $ 50, 000 on a wedding.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: It's going to be the wedding of the century.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Like why? Who cares? I literally don't care.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: If I could have gotten married in front of Elvis
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, I would have done that too.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, right? Yes.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: That's me though. That's just me. I know a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of you probably had a beautiful wedding.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And that's awesome.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Probably cost a lot, but I'm just, I'm just not
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of that mind personally.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: My great uncle and my great aunt got married on
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: April Fool's Day to an Elvis impersonator in Vegas. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: they like love that. I just think like little kooky
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: weddings and stuff like that are fun or like elopements
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: are great. I don't know. I just, whatever. Tony and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: McKelty want a big wedding. They want their parents to
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: pay for it. And they want it in August. And
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that's just the point of this episode. And it's crazy
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to me. I get that they want to get married.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They want to fuck. They want to rush into it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And that's fine.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Then do it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But why do I have to pay for it?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to pay for it. And we're
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: not going to do it two months after Maddie's wedding either. Like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Get a grip.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me. And so after the conversation with
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Tony and Cody, then we joined together with Christine and McKelty.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And we discuss that conversation a little bit. And Cody
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: straight up tells Christine, like, yeah, I'm going to give
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: him my blessing. It's fine.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And she's shocked.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And she's super shocked.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It does feel like they talked about it beforehand. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: we did see them talk, but they talked further. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: they both agreed that this is not something that they want.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But then as soon as Cody sat down with Tony,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: he changed his mind. And he gave them the blessing.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And so she's very surprised. And she seems a bit
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: disappointed because she doesn't have an ally sitting next to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: her to help Mikhail T., think straight about this.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And i think she really just wanted him to say
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: no so she didn't have to be the bad guy
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: but i'm like christine you're being the bad guy this
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: whole episode like talking shit about your daughter and how
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: you just don't trust that this is going to work
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: out for her basically she's.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: No shrinking violet though like to tony's face she says
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: yeah i have some reservations about you i'm not fully
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: sold on you yet yeah i need to see more
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: from you like i would never have been able to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: say that to you oh my god i mean that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: just i'm like okay there's the aries there's the ram
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: In Christine.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty harsh. I was like, dang, okay. Like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: but we're fine with Caleb Brush because even though he's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: 30 and was talking to Maddie when she was 17, allegedly,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: or 16, allegedly, he's fine because he was a family friend. Right.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. And I just think that's wild.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Make it make sense.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense at all to me. And maybe
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: you're right. Maybe there is some alternative reasons why Christine
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is so judgmental. And maybe it has to do with
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Tony's background, his ethnic background or whatever. I don't know.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: It just, it's so weird to me. Agreed. I think
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that he's repulsive and gross too. And I think he's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: kind of a loser. It could just be that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: It could just be that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But if your daughter loves him, who are you to say?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You married Cody Brown also.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: If there's something to say, Christine's going to be the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: one to say it with her big old mouth.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I guess so. And so when they're talking with Tony
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and McKelty, McKelty... No, I think Cody and Christine tell them, like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: can you wait a little bit? Like, we're not asking you...
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to wait forever we're not asking you to wait five
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: years but like can you wait until december instead just
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: so that way maddie has some time to enjoy her
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: wedding and like the after glow of her wedding like
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: we want to give maddie her space and her time
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and her speed so can you wait till december mckeulty's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like no because he's like um i want to get
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: married at a park And it's going to be way
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: too cold in Las Vegas, Nevada for us to get
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: married in a park in December. It's not going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: work for my vision.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Well, what about our backyard?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was crazy too.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Would a backyard wedding be okay?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, Christine, what backyard? Your backyard went to
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: concrete slab. It's a moonscape. You want her to get
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: married in that backyard? Like it's not like we're going
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: to get married in Robin's backyard. Christine's offering hers. That's crazy.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And McKelty's just like not into it. And I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: they kind of end the conversation like leaving it hanging
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit because Cody and Christine are like, well,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: we give you our blessing, but like, can you please
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: wait a little, just a little, please, just a couple months.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It would be really great if you could do that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And McKelty and Tony are like, we'll think about it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I just can't. I don't get it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: It's so entitled to me.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It is so very entitled to me.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I know I'm kind of erring on the side
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: of Tony McKelty a little bit in this episode. I'm like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I know they want to get married, but
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: also y'all are spoiled.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It's that Gen Z thing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Are they Gen Z? I think they're millennial. Because they're
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: older than me.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're older than you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're older than me.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Are they older than you?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Because this is like 2016 and they're 19 and 22.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So that means they would be 32.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe they are my age.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe she's your age. Anyway, Gen Z. Millennials.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Millennials.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just making trouble to you. I know you are.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Always got to shit on the younger generations.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You always call me a boomer and I'm not a boomer.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: You call yourself a boomer.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Because I've been entrained by you from the constant insults.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: calling me a boomer don't associate me with that greedy
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: materialistic soulless generation thank you very much.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I would never i did call your husband a crotchety
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: old man when i came i'm such a nice.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Daughter-in-law he's literally younger than me by a damn sight
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: so what are you saying anyway moving on.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway moving on so then after this conversation with tony
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: mckeulty cody and christine want to talk to their friends
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: chris and don who own the pawn shop that mckeulty
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: works at In St. George. And they just want to
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: get some insight because they don't know what to do
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: as parents in this situation. They're like freaking out. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: it's mainly Christine who's freaking out. So they talk to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Chris and Dawn about it. And Chris and Dawn are like, yeah,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you know, we hardly ever see McKelty. We thought she
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: would hang out with us and come over for dinners
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But she's nowhere to be seen. She's out
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: soaking with her friends. Yes. They literally say she's like
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: dating around. And Christine and Cody are surprised to hear
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that because... she's not dating around. She's just dating Tony.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And it kind of, there's the implication there that maybe
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: she should date around and find maybe some more attractive.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Anybody better? Is there anybody better in St.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: George, Utah? Anyone better besides Tony Patron? And Cody and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Christine tell Chris and Don that they want to get married.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Chris and Don agree that it's fast, but also like
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: they're saying, let them live their truth, bro. Yeah. Leave
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: them be. Like they're just young kids in love.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: They're not going to listen to you anyway.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And Cody's like, no, they need time to negotiate the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: marriage contract. And his friend is like, that sounds so romantic, Cody.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Totally romantic.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: They're not thinking like that. They're thinking like a couple
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of kids who want to get married.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: And this is where Cody makes some dumb comment about
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: how he's got cumulatively 80 years of marriage experience with
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: all of his wives. And so he really knows what
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he's talking about.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I would appreciate if somebody listened to me.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: With my 80 years of marriage experience. And he does say, again,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: very poignantly, that he regrets rushing into his marriages with
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: his wives because, you know, they had to get to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: know each other.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Except Robin. After the fact.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And a longer courtship would have been better, similar to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: my courtship with Robin. I mean, he doesn't say that,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: but that's definitely the subtext there. And Chris and Dawn
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: are like, Yeah, but we got married pretty quickly. And,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you know, there's something really beautiful about getting married young.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you can kind of cement your love together
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and kind of grow from that foundation. And maybe you
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: just got to give them a chance. And I kind
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: of liked that. Me too. Because they are kind of
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: just giving the counterpoint to Cody and Christine who are
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: freaking out about this rushed marriage. And maybe it's because
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: they're reflecting on their shitty ass marriage. Because they got
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: married after like three months and Cody's repulsed by Christine
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and Christine is unhappy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: He is repulsed by her because... can I just say
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this and just interject? Because when she first calls him
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: over to talk about Tony wanting to talk to him,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: he looks so uncomfortable in her bedroom. They sit on
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: this little sofa together and she's got her legs up
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and she's turned to him and she seems like she's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: kind of being a little flirty and playful and he's
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: just like talk to the hand and then when both
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of them walk into the little library to talk to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: McKelty and Tony did you see Christine reach over and
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: try to hold his hand did you see that yeah
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and he didn't hold her hand and then she just
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: put her hand right back in her lap. Like he
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is disgusted with Christine. And 100%. I think he was
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: expecting these two St. George friends to come over and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: agree totally with them so that they could have a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: special segment where it's not just us. Everybody agrees. McKelty
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be getting married. And they were very shocked and chagrined.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: It seemed that these two disagreed.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And I really think it's because Christine and Cody like
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: have been having so many marital issues that, And I
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: think they're attributing it to the fact that they got
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: married so young and they didn't get to know each other.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And that's all fair and valid. But just because your
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: guys' marriage is a failure, just because you guys got
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: married and you hate each other, doesn't mean that your
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: kids who are also rushing into their marriage is going
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to hate. They're going to hate their marriage and they're
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: going to hate their lives together. Like it's not the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: same thing. I kind of felt that personally because when
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I got married to your daughter, I had a lot
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: of people... tell me that I was like making a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: mistake because we totally rushed into it in true lesbian fashion.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: And we got married really young, even though a lot
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: of people told us not to. And, you know, while
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it hasn't been free from challenges, like I'm very grateful
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: for my marriage to your daughter. I love her very much.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And like, we've grown up together. And like, I think
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that we have something really special and valuable. And I
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: just wish that like people wouldn't be so quick to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: shit on rushed marriages like that. Like if a kid
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: wants to get married young, like let them just do it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: If they're gonna make the mistake, they're gonna make the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: mistake themselves.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but at the same time, Beatrice, I'm sure that
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who were telling you to just
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: wait were coming from a very good place and also
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: from their own experience. And they're just trying to help.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: They really are just trying to lend you some advice
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that might be helpful to you so that you can
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: make a more full body decision. But like what we
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: always forget at this age, looking at people at your
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: age is like, you don't listen to us. kids aren't
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: going to listen to us. You're going to go forward
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and make your own mistakes, which you talked about last week.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And we really, all we can do is say what
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: we think and then let it go and not keep
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: pestering you about it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And totally the people that came to me were saying
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the same kinds of things, same sentiments that Cody and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Christine are saying. We're like, you know, we rushed into
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it and it's hard and we hated our lives and
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: our marriage sucks basically. And I get it. But I
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: just feel like back off a little. And Chris and Dawn,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I did appreciate that they offered the alternative perspective of like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: it's not that bad though. Like not every young marriage
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: is going to end up into a failure. So just
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: chill out. Just because y'all hate each other doesn't mean
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: they're going to. And so then Cody and Christine summon
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the other wives over to their house to break the news.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And Christine in particular is very worried about telling Janelle
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't want Janelle to be frustrated. She doesn't
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: want Janelle to be stressed out. And she doesn't want
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Janelle to feel like McKelty is stealing Maddie's thunder because
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: she knows that that's how Janelle is going to feel.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: And sure enough, that is kind of how Janelle feels.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: So when Christine breaks the news to everybody, Christine's like, look,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not supportive of this at all. I don't want
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: her to marry Tony. I think it's rushed. I'm very
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: worried about it. I'm very stressed out about it. We
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: tried to tell them to slow down. We tried to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: tell them to wait a few months and they're not
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: really into it. And Janelle is just shocked. She has
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: no words at this point in time. She's like, what
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the fuck? I think she's kind of keeping her Torian
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: rage buried down a little bit because I think deep
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: down she's probably mad because she does want Maddie to
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: have her time. Mary, interestingly enough, is the one that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: is saying to the camera, like, I feel really bad
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: that the energy of this room and the energy of
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: this conversation is so drastically different. than the energy that
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: we had with Maddie when she told us that she
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: wanted to get married to a 30-year-old man and everybody
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: was super supportive of her. And I thought that was
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: interesting that it came from Mary, of all people, because
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I thought Mary didn't like McKelty.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she also said some things about McKelty at the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: same time in her interstitial about how McKelty was immature
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and And she was impulsive and she just didn't really
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: know if this was the right thing for her, but
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you can't really tell her anything. So there were also
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: some digs that she took at McKelty. But yeah, I
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: was surprised that she said that. And then of course, again,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: we have Robin with the voice of reason. Like, I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: don't know why people are so concerned about this. You know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Maddie is the very same age. And actually that was
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: an epiphany to me. I think I knew that in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the back of my mind, but when you think about it,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: they really do present so differently, Maddie and McKelty. McKelty
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: really is much more of a childlike, not childish, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a childlike personality, much more open and free with a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: zest for life. Maddie's a bit more guarded, like Janelle actually.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very serious.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: More guarded, more closed off, more methodical and thoughtful in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the way that she proceeds in her life. I would
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: have thought that Maddie was at least a couple of
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: years older, but they're the same age.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And the family does say that, like multiple members of
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: the family say you know, even though they are the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: same age, Maddie has always seemed like the older sibling
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: of the two and has always seemed way more mature.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: So therefore it's okay for her to marry a 30
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: year old man. Whereas McKelty rushing into this marriage with
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Too Many Tacos Tony is a cry for concern or
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: like a cause for concern. And I just really don't
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like the disparity with it because even though McKelty is
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: immature I think Maddie would be immature too like I
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: don't I know we're like acting like Maddie's older than
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: McKelty but she is 19 also and I think I
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: feel like she's probably got some immature moments that maybe
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: we're not seeing well.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And in the year of our Lord 2026 would Maddie
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: be okay with one of her kids or her daughter
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: does she have two daughters or two I think two
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: sons I forget one of her daughters marrying a 30
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or almost 30 year old when she was 18 or
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: 19 or meeting a A 28-year-old when she's 16 or
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: 17 and talking to them and falling in love. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: bet Maddie would not feel the same way.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But....
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: But then again, they have a great marriage. They're still together.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: They have a great life. But like, it just, yeah,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: it's just unfair. It is a double standard.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: It totally is. And so, you know, they all discuss it.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Janelle says, you know, I would really like for them
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to wait a little bit just to give Maddie some
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: time with her wedding. And that's completely fair and valid.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Of course. You know, Maddie does, she is the first
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: one getting married to the family. So I do think
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that the family wants to respect that and they want
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to give Maddie the speece. to have her time and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: have her moment and i think that's fair again i'm
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: just gonna bring up the point that you had a
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: million children close in age together so it is kind
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of unfair now that all of them are of marrying
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: age you want them to do it at a specific
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: time frame because you want everybody.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: To have their space like that's not how it works hun.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It's not how life works And so then we have
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Robin making the comment of, are they just wanting to
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: rush into it like all LDS couples do because they
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: want to fuck? And Christine does say, I think that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that's part of it. And it was interesting because Robin's
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: the only one that voices this, that saying like, you know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of Mormons do this because they want to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: have sex because you have the law of chastity that
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: you can't get, you can't have sex until you get married.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: And Janelle and Mary and Christine all are like, no comment.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: We don't want to talk about that, about the Mormon church. Why?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Didn't y'all get married fast because you wanted to fuck?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Are we going to act like you didn't do that?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: They don't talk about the bedroom. But interestingly, Robin is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: okay to do that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: She's the only one that's open about it. True Libra
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: right there. And so we kind of end the conversation
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: with that. Then we go over to Bozeman, Montana, where
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: the family.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Can we just rush through this part? Literally. It's nothing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It's a nothing burger.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I only want to bring it up just because it's,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: showing the double standard again, because we had like the
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: first half of the episode, basically shitting on McKelty.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: All the parents, everybody except for Robin.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: All of the parents like shitting on McKelty for wanting
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: to get married. And then now we're in Bozeman and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: we're going to all these like food and beverage and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: cake vendors and stuff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody's so excited and having a great time. Happy.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: So supportive of Maddie marrying this 30 year old, but okay, whatever.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And then the end of the episode is Mary and Cody.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: talking this was the tea right here was juicy because
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the conversation starts off by mary bitching about leon right
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and bitching about leon's attitude and how they don't want
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: to talk to her and how mary is trying to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: bridge the gap with leon but leon's got their walls
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: up and she's frustrated and then mary equivocates is that
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: the word To this, to her relationship with Cody, because
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: she says, you know, I feel like I'm in the
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: same place with Leon that I am with you, Cody.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: And Cody's like, what do you mean? Feigning ignorance. Like,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: what do you mean? And Mary's like, well, you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: every time I try to talk to you about anything,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you just kind of. Go blank.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: And blow me off.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And blow me off. And, you know, I'm not really
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: okay with where things are at right now and what
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: we've been doing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Okay. You're paraphrasing to her credit because she is such
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a bad person. communicator. And yes, we do start off
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: talking about Leon. I felt like Mary is now getting
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: mad about it. Like she's actually pissed off that Leon
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: would carry this grudge this long. And I think that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Mary went up to Utah to visit Leon maybe two
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: months ago, one month ago or whatever. Like it wasn't
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: that long ago. And so it hasn't been a lot
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: of time. And in the conversation when Mary traveled to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Utah with Leon, like she didn't really say anything. Again,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: she kind of expected Leon to do all the talking
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to mend their relationship. And Leon's like, I ain't doing that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: And so Mary, what are you doing to heal this relationship?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: What sort of action steps? What is your plan? But no,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: you just want to be pissed. And be like, well,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Leon's being spoiled. Like, that's kind of what it was.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: That's totally what it was. And she does say, you're right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: She says something like, I just want to deal with
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: it and fix it. I just want to tell Leon,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: we need to deal with this. You need to get
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: over it and let's fix it. And then she says
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: that to Cody as well. Like, let's deal with it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. That's just my personality, Cody. I
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: just want to deal with it. And I'm like, well,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: but you're not dealing with it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to deal with it. She doesn't want
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to hear anything because he's going to say some things
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to her in this conversation and she immediately reacts and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: flares up.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so Cody says he's confused about this. He's like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I think he's taken off guard by Mary bringing this up,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: especially on camera.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: He was planning for a conversation about Leon only.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: And he does keep trying to bring it back to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Leon in this conversation because the point of this was,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Cody being like, I'll talk to Leon for you. Like
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I'll see if I can try and mend the gap
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: between you two. Maybe I can hear what Leon has
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: to say and I can give them my input. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: that way they're not as mad at you. And Mary's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, but what about us though? She keeps
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: bringing it back up to them. And while I do
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: think Mary was being annoying in this conversation, um, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: kind of feel like she did it on purpose to
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: bring it up on camera because I feel like.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Otherwise he would not have.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: He would have never talked about it with her.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Entertained the conversation at all.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: At all.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think she planned for this
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to happen.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't blame her because again, for some context here,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: according to Mary and maybe Christine in her book, I
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: can't keep it together, everybody. But according to Mary, Cody
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: had promised her if, She granted the legal divorce that
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: he could marry Robin and adopt the kids, the little
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: tenders and everything. Then he would recommit to their relationship
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and they could start working on the situation with that relationship,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: that marriage. And so that was one of the incentives
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: that Mary had. to go through with the legal divorce.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, she does it and he ghosts her. Now,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: this coincides, according to Cody, in this conversation with Mary
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: actually telling Cody to leave her home, that she needs
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: some space. It's not safe. Get out of my life. Like,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: get out of my life. So she says this to
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Cody during the whole catfish. So she's definitely got a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: banana in her mouth. She's definitely making drunken phone calls
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: at 2 a.m. to who she thinks is Sam. And
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: she's in love with another man. So she tells Cody
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to get the fuck out. And he does. And he never,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: ever comes back. And in this conversation, she's trying to
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: force the issue by doing it on camera. And I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: think she wants to communicate to him that she wants
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to be with him. She wants to be together. She
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: wants to work on the relationship. And Cody proceeds to
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: act so surprised that she would want such a thing.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: And he's so surprised that it's even an issue also,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: because Cody is saying things in this conversation and also
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: on camera, like in his talking head, like I've worked
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: really hard to not be antagonistic. I've worked really hard
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to be calm. Anytime I try to interact with Mary,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: because I don't like want things to pop off between us.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: And I don't want her to pop off on me basically.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: And so to him and his mind, he's doing work.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: He's doing the work in their relationship, but, not in
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the way that Mary wants it done because she wants
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the work done on her pussy.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: She wants that. She wants him to work that pussy.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: How do you get that?
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: She's lonely. And that's, that's the root of this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: She was lonely beforehand and she's even lonelier now.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: And we know now, I think from Christine's book that
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: prior to the catfish, Cody and Mary weren't fucking like,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: they weren't in a sexual intimate relationship for many years.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: The whole like, beginning seasons of the show where they're
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: trying to talk about, you know, the idea of having
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: another baby was all a crock of shit because he
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't even touching her poo nanny with a 10 foot
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: pole at this point in time. So it's been many
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: years that they haven't really had a full marriage. Then
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: that led to the catfish situation, obviously, and Mary having
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: an emotional affair because she is lonely and, um, wants
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: her punani touched. And neglected. And she's neglected.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: And she's in a very toxic relationship and also a
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: toxic family system.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And she doesn't know how to healthily assert her desires
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: or to have boundaries or to demand things in this relationship.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And so she resorts to doing whatever she's doing online
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: with people outside of her relationship and not actually talking
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to Cody. It seems to me at some point in
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: this conversation with Cody and Mary that Mary is just like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do? because we need to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: do whatever that is so that we can move on.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: It almost felt like she's like, should we just go
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: our separate ways? She wants an answer from him. What
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: is it that you want to do? Do you want
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: to be with me or do you not? Do you
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: want to walk away from me? And if so, like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: let me know. And Cody in this moment insists that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: they go to see Nancy.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, not Nancy. Oh my God. The most ineffectual
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: therapist known to man, but he wants to do this
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: in a safer environment and here I agree with him.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Because in this conversation, I was so annoyed with how
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Mary talks. It's not that she didn't have valid points.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: She did. It's not that she shouldn't make demands and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: ask for clarity and transparency. She absolutely should. But the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: tone in which she does it, anytime Cody says something
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to her, and he's being very careful with his tone.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: He is. He's being very careful with his inflection. He's
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: not being reactive at all. And I felt like That
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: was kind of a trauma response with him. Like what
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that gave to me was that he has been down
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: this road so many times with Mary that he's had
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: so many explosive arguments and situations with Mary that he
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: is so careful in any potentially problematic conversation with her.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: He's got to moderate how he speaks and how he presents.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: And even with him being so careful in this conversation,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: you still have Mary popping off. And when he says
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: something like, well, I don't think I did that. She's like, well,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: that's how I feel, Cody. And she's just, do you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? She's so, talk about immature. Talk
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: about not having a developed personality. Talk about, I don't know,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you guys have been married for 25 years at this
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: point or whatever it is. And you guys still don't
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: know how to interact with each other. It's abysmal.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: She's one of those people that really leads with anger
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: And leads with frustration. She's an angry person.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Whereas instead of reflecting on why am I angry and
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: what's the feeling underneath the anger, because oftentimes anger is
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: secondary to like the actual emotion that you're feeling. She
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: just comes in bullhead horns out. Like she's ready to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: just fight about it because she starts off saying something
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: about Leon and how she, Leon is angry with her,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't understand the full situation, doesn't understand that Mary was
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: a victim of the catfish, which pisses me off.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Which she puts in quotation marks.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: She puts it in quotation marks and that just pisses
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: me off. And I'll get to that in a second.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: But she's saying this about Leon and says, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Leon doesn't get it. It feels like it's a punishment
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: for me and that I'm not willing to deal with
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that any longer. I'm not willing to spend more time
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: like that in my relationship with my own kid. And
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not willing to spend time in that relationship with you,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Cody also, because she's kind of insinuating that Cody is
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: punishing her by either withholding affection, not coming around, coming around,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: not having a close relationship with her, which likely started
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: before the catfish anyway. So I'm like, Mary, I understand
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: you're frustrated by this situation, but can we also be
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: real with you for a second? Like you're the one
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: that was one foot out the door of this relationship
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: already by talking to Sam the catfish.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: You were cheating.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: You were cheating. You were sexting with this person. You
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: were telling this person you loved them. Miss me with
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: this whole, I'm a victim of a catfish.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm being punished.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm being punished for being a victim. No, you're not.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: You had an emotional affair. And I understand why you
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: did because you were neglected. Doesn't make it right, obviously.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I understand that your marriage was terrible and is terrible,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: but maybe you should have put both feet out the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: door and left. Maybe you should have been real with
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: yourself and been like, you know what? I had more
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: fun sucking on that banana in the bathtub than I
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: have in all 30 years of my marriage with Cody.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: And you can't really blame Leon for just needing to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: take a little bit of space. That's not punishment. That
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: is just a reaction to something that you did. You
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: don't like it because it shines a light back on
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: you concerning the thing that you did, which you still
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to even name because in this conversation, Cody
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: actually does and it's so awesome. He's like, so do
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: you think Leon is upset because you cheated on me?
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Like we don't use that word. Like I know Robin
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: did the one time and now Cody's using it. And
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't think Mary has the interiority of or
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the capacity to receive that word. She's still in denial
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: as to what she did. She's still trying to paint
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: herself out as a victim. And she is high on
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: her own supply. She's huffing her own farts on this.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: She believes it. And that's why she's like so incredulous
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: that Leon would have the audacity not to call Mary
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: back or not to want to participate in a relationship. Well,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Leon told you that you were being catfished. Leon saw
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: what you were doing. In the relationship with Cody, and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: maybe they didn't hear you actually tell Cody that he
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: had to leave the house, but Leon absolutely knew it.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Kids know things like that, Mary. So why are you
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: acting so brand new? It makes me crazy, Beatrice.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: It makes me crazy too, because I'm just like, oh
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: my God, like... Leon's allowed to be angry and while
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: we do talk about how Leon is a big fucking
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: brat because they are they're totally they have attitude a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: lot of the time and they're kind of an annoying
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: person even to this day kind of like they're still
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: really annoying they still have at this point in time
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: a right to be angry because like you said they
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: did tell Mary over and over again that they were
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: being catfished and Mary didn't believe them at all. And
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Leon likely heard a lot of those 2 a.m. conversations
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: where you're professing your love to this fucking catfish, where
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: you're sucking on a banana in a bathtub and probably
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: moaning and having phone sex. You know what I mean?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Like they probably heard all of these things and you
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: still want to act like a victim and that's BS.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And like when Mary brings up the catfish and puts
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: it in quotations, we have this like weird interstitial where
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: she's like, I don't want to give that power and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Cody says yeah I've had to tell Mary over and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: over again to stop reacting to the things that people
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: are saying online about it to stop reading articles about
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: it it doesn't exist outside of your own mind and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: none of this exists outside of the walls of our
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: little polygamous compound like just forget about it and I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: was kind of wondering if that was Cody's attempt at
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: trying to sweep this under the rug, because maybe he
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't even want to deal with the fact that Mary
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: had an emotional affair with somebody, like maybe somewhere deep
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: down inside of him, he can't even believe that like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: he would have a wife who would betray him in
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: this way. And I know Cody sucks and I'm not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: trying to justify, you know, Cody's treatment as a husband.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: He's objectively terrible, but maybe this is his way of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: trying to sweep it under the rug and, And Mary
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: maybe is looking at comments and getting embarrassed. And maybe
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: this is to your point about her feeling so much shame,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: she can't even look at this part of herself. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: now she's watching all these people online and TMZ article
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: after TMZ article talking about how she's a big old cheater.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Your actual recordings that you left for Sam being leaked
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: on the internet, the photos.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, how embarrassing.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Super embarrassing. And so maybe she's just reacting from her
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: own trauma from the situation but it's like girl you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: did it to yourself and i'm sorry that the only
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: two people that are in your that are in your
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: corner right now are mad at you cody's mad at
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: you and leon's mad at you.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: But you made your bed but of course they are
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you made your bed they're normal human people who would
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: have normal human reactions to such a To make amends
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and you continue to attempt to be conciliatory. You don't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: need to be a doormat, but you continue to make
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: yourself available to these relationships until they're ready, until they
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: can speak, until something gives way. But Mary is getting
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: frustrated at this point. She wants everybody to just accept her,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: get over it. She doesn't want any distance between her
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and Cody. And honestly, I think she desperately, desperately wants
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: her marriage back. She wants this connection with Cody. but
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: he is so freaking checked out.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: And he does bring up, and she says it, like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: you don't come. I call you. You say, I can't
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: come over. I'll call you later. And then you never call.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time on my own in
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: my haunted house with my wet bar. And there's nobody around.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It is a really lonely life. And this is where
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Cody reminds her, but like, yeah, you told me to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: leave your house. You told me to get out of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: your life. And When he says that, she actually like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: drops her mouth open. Like she can't believe he says it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And she has nothing to say in reply to that.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Because what can you say? You absolutely did that. What
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: she does say is, well, Cody, you know what I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: was going through at the time. You know why I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: said that, Cody. Okay, what?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, what are you trying to say there?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Like she says that a couple times actually. Like you
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: know the real reason behind that. And Cody's like, no,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I actually don't.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: And what was the thing that he said? I never
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: said this. I think it was about visiting Nancy. Oh, right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Cody keeps saying something like, you know, like, let's talk
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: to Nancy. Let's talk to Nancy.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: He keeps trying to direct.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: He's trying to shut the conversation down because I think
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want this to be on camera at all.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: And he's really trying hard to be calm and not
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: turn it into a fight. And Mary says, I've been
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: asking you to go to Nancy and you keep saying no.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: And Cody says, I don't remember denying that. I don't
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: remember ever saying no. And this is where I'm like, okay,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: there's a breakdown here. I think Cody's trying to save
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: his face in this conversation a little bit. I think
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: he is trying to gaslight Mary a bit. I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Mary probably has been trying to get him to go
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: to therapy for a while. And maybe Cody's just not
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: interested because, like you said, he's totally fucking checked out.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: He's been checked out for a long time. And ultimately...
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: You know, he was checked out before the catfish and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: now certainly after the catfish and he just doesn't want
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: to deal with it. Mary is trying, but like Mary girl,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: if you're the only one that wants this and he
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't want it, it's time to leave.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Have some self-respect.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It's time to go. Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, acting like a petulant entitled child. And fully
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: owning your part in this is the problem. And next
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: week in the preview, we see Cody sitting down with
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Leon and saying something like, I think I was the catalyst.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I think I was the reason the catfish happened, which
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I loosely remember this conversation. And I thought that that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: was really generous of Cody to even admit. And I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: wondered to myself then, and I'm still wondering, did he
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: mean that? Does he think that maybe he contributed to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the events that took place? It'll be interesting to watch
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: it again. But in this conversation, you just kind of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: see the utter and total breakdown of this relationship. There's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: nothing good here. There's not even friendship. There's an inability
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: to talk about things that they actually agree on, i.e.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Leon.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: They're just so frustrated. profoundly disconnected it's like cut bait
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: and go Mary or Cody.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I mean really and I think it's at this point
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: where like you can't really resurrect anything in this marriage
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: maybe a few years ago when the disconnection started you
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: probably could have gone to therapy and maybe worked on
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: your things but it has been disconnected for so long
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: at this point like we know from Christine's book it
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: was like 10 years or something like that that Mary
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: and Cody had like ceased intimacy it's like it's been
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: a minute and then mary continues to grovel and we
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: see her do this all the way up into season
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: 20 bitch yeah where she is continuing to cape for
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: cody and robin and try to act like this dutiful
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: wife but cody has been checked out over it uninterested
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: and like i know that he's kind of been stringing
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: her along yes up into this point and mary does
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: say near the end of this conversation she's tired of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: being in limbo and i think you're right it's because
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: she's like toying with the idea of just leaving or
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: wanting to stay. And I think she does ultimately want
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to stay for the family as a whole, obviously because
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: of her tree paintings.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: That was the simplest. I think the reason she stays
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: is for Cody. I think she's desperately in love with Cody.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Gross.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I think she wants to get it back on track
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, why?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I don't have any idea. I can't see it. I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: don't understand it, but they have a shared history and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: when you are in a relationship since you're 19 years
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: old with the same person and you guys have shared
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: so much together, it is devastating to walk away from
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: something like that. So she's just not ready to do
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: it yet. Cody, on the other hand, is ready. And
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the kind thing for Cody to do is to tell
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: her the truth right now and to let her know
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: it's never, not ever going to happen. And he really
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't do that until they're in Flagstaff. And even then
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: she doesn't hear it or want to hear it. And
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: that's the delusion of Mary.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: And it's really... crazy to watch it. Cause I do
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: think you're right. She does love him and they have
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: long history together. So she wants to keep it and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: she wants to stay, but I don't know. I think
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: the real problem is her not acknowledging that she had
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: this affair and that she enjoyed it. Like that's the thing.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Like she wanted it and she would have left Cody
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: in a second.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: If it were real, she literally was on a voice
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: recording saying that she would have done that. Like she
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: would have done anything for this person. And if Sam
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: turned out to be that beautiful 25 year old model
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: are you kidding me yes she would have left cody
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: and the whole family in a hot minute honey and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: so it's just she can't admit to herself that that's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: what she wanted to do and it's funny because she
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: posted this instagram reel like just yesterday i saw that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: where she it was a promo for worthy up and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll react to it on patreon because it's so
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: ridiculous but one of the things that she had said
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: was that she struggles with being authentic and i thought
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: that that was like the most truthful authentic authentic thing
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: that we've ever heard from mary brown because you can
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: see it in season 11 you can see it in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: all these seasons sister wives but like she really struggles
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: with Being her authentic self. And in that, I can
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: have compassion for Mary, even though it frustrates the fuck
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: out of me. Because I'm like, oh my God, just
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: be real with yourself. But you can tell.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe she's becoming self-aware. But I mean, based on the trailer,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see any of that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: At all.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Self-reflection in this season.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: No. At all. And so season 11 does look lit,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: but we will pause it for now. Yeah. Because we
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: have season 21 to worry about for sure. But the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: season preview for 11, we have Maddie getting married and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: her bachelorette party and their dress fitting and everything. We
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: have Tony proposing to McKelty on some cliffside or whatever.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And Christine says, you know, she does acknowledge McKelty is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: different when Tony's around. She's actually quiet for once. She
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: shuts the fuck up. It's great. Yeah.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Such a good mom, Christine.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Such a good mom. We also have Robin and Christine
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: allegedly getting along better. They end up hugging each other
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: on the couch.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that for a second.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: And Robin is crying because their friendship is just growing.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: When is she not crying?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: I know. Cody does tell Tony to wait six more
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: months to get married so that way they can fuck.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: And Tony is like, I don't think I want to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: do that. Um, Cody does talk to Leon. He does
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: say that he is the catalyst for the things happening
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: with Mary and Leon and their bitchy attitude is like,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that bitch. You don't know nothing.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: You're not an adult.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: You're a zygote.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: You don't know the things of adults and marriages and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: how hard it can be for real.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Um, you don't know everything. It's so annoying. Um, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: then Cody does say that his ultimate goal is to
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: keep his family together and which does age like milk.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: And then Mary and Janelle go to therapy with Nancy,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: but we don't see Mary and Cody going to therapy
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: with Nancy, which is unfortunate.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I know they do.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I know, but I don't see, we don't see it
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: in the preview.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: We don't see it in the preview. And I remember
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: nothing getting resolved as usual in that therapy. And the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: way Mary and Janelle were so awkward in that preview,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: sitting down on the same sofa to talk to Nancy,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: they can't stand. Nobody likes each other in this family
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: at all. Nobody likes each other at all.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: And Mary literally says in that therapy session that, like,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: we're not friends. Me and Janelle, we're not friends.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Bitch. You're such a bitch. Why you gotta be like that?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Like, for no reason.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Janelle is literally not doing anything like that.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody says anything like that about Mary. Mary's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the only one that's just like, I'm not friends with anybody.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And she really doesn't have the currency to be able
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to make that kind of a withdrawal with these relationships. Like, no,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you owe people. For real. Like, you should be showing
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: up in a different way to these various relationships, but
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you're still such a.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's the issue really with her. She doesn't
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: realize that she has to show up and you, sometimes
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you have to suck up your own pride. You have
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: to like be the bigger person and it's not always comfy.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's annoying that you have to just like, okay,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to grit my teeth and like deal
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: with it. But like Mary grew up.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: She doesn't know how to show up for other people.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: No, she does not. She's essentially very selfish. Not unlike Leon. Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: And also not unlike Cody. So like attracts, like facts. Okay, guys,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: once again, we are going to be gone next week,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: but we would love to get your calls if you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: want to call about your reaction to the trailer about
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Cody and Robham not coming back to this season and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: or to the franchise. All you got to do is
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: go to speakpipe.com slash reality tv cringe. I would love,
• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:47
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• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: and we have nothing but love for you.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: And peace out.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Bye. Bye, guys.