Latest / Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast / Episode 264: Vengeance (SG-A 3.19)
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- 0:25Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and sixty four talking
- 0:29Speaker 1: Stargate at Lantis. Smitch here with the other good of
- 0:34Speaker 1: the Gate crew. Brendan, Oh, I'll turn your mica on.
- 0:38Speaker 1: That's my bad.
- 0:38Speaker 2: Hey mate, Hello friendly there.
- 0:40Speaker 1: You are nice and loud, just like I like you. Maddie,
- 0:43Speaker 1: You've got one job, Mitchell.
- 0:44Speaker 2: It could have been me. No, it was me. I
- 0:48Speaker 2: just want to revisit the whole loud just like you
- 0:50Speaker 2: like him, think.
- 0:51Speaker 1: I like him in my head, and I feel like
- 0:53Speaker 1: what you said head he said was you said?
- 0:55Speaker 2: Was it last week or the week before?
- 0:56Speaker 1: And you said that Brendan's been trying to poorly influence
- 1:00Speaker 1: me since like grade ten, And I just feel like
- 1:02Speaker 1: he was that. I mean, he was on my right
- 1:04Speaker 1: side a lot. He's isn't the isn't the good one
- 1:07Speaker 1: on your right shoulder and the evil one on your left?
- 1:09Speaker 1: Show either way, I.
- 1:10Speaker 2: Don't get it up. I don't think it's a designated.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Brendan's side was on the right side, and
- 1:15Speaker 1: it would just be you whispering sweet nothing.
- 1:17Speaker 2: So I like that when you.
- 1:19Speaker 3: When you have special Mitch, timer you left handed or
- 1:21Speaker 3: right handed or is that something that you don't want
- 1:23Speaker 3: to disclose on the podcast. Both hands, you're both handed,
- 1:26Speaker 3: of course you are.
- 1:27Speaker 2: You're like six ' five.
- 1:29Speaker 3: Of course, it's a two hand up. Do it the
- 1:32Speaker 3: right way, just the Trivian man math work out.
- 1:35Speaker 1: It's got to be a I feel like we're starting
- 1:37Speaker 1: to get in the territory that we ended the podcast
- 1:39Speaker 1: on last week. Let's Push Shine Vengeance. It is episode
- 1:44Speaker 1: nineteen of season three of s g A. After helping
- 1:47Speaker 1: relocate the Turanans, the Atlantas team realizes they haven't heard.
- 1:50Speaker 2: From the village in a long period of time.
- 1:52Speaker 1: It appears that Turanans have just abandoned the village until
- 1:55Speaker 1: Mackay it takes life signs well beneath the surface.
- 1:58Speaker 3: Turns out, Yeah, the volcano people whose ship we stolen up.
- 2:03Speaker 2: Super volcano, super volcano people. Shame. I guess that means
- 2:09Speaker 2: that hot chickstead Yeah, that's a shape that.
- 2:15Speaker 3: I just remember watching this episode the first time and
- 2:16Speaker 3: thinking that he turned the Turannans into the crazy monsters, that.
- 2:22Speaker 2: He was using them as he's failed experiments.
- 2:24Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but then yeah, there's that shot where you
- 2:26Speaker 3: just see him just like piling corpses onto the pile.
- 2:30Speaker 3: I was interest Mitchell given going into this one, given
- 2:33Speaker 3: that for the first time in quite a while, we
- 2:36Speaker 3: saw Ford in the opening, like in the previously on, Yeah,
- 2:40Speaker 3: and I was like, was there did we see Michael
- 2:42Speaker 3: in the previously on?
- 2:43Speaker 2: I can't remember, Sorry, CAKEB. But there was a part
- 2:45Speaker 2: of me that went just previously on because I do well,
- 2:50Speaker 2: I kind of want to this will be my face.
- 2:52Speaker 2: I actually skipped the previously on I.
- 2:54Speaker 3: Okay, because my question was going to be, you know,
- 2:56Speaker 3: did you think maybe it was going to be Ford, like,
- 3:00Speaker 3: given that you know, maybe this was a way for
- 3:01Speaker 3: him to get more serum or but if you didn't
- 3:05Speaker 3: see no, I didn't.
- 3:06Speaker 1: Actually skipped it, And it was something I meant to
- 3:08Speaker 1: mention last week was the fact that I had no
- 3:12Speaker 1: memory of Dominion going in that Cliff Simon's credit till
- 3:16Speaker 1: at the start, and that I'm like, oh, I you
- 3:21Speaker 1: know that was there, Hey Bar's coming in this episode,
- 3:23Speaker 1: whereas otherwise, you know, because you see addur of pre credits,
- 3:26Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the alright here, But then to say, oh,
- 3:28Speaker 1: by the way, Cliff Simon's going to shoplads, so where
- 3:32Speaker 1: this one I don't kind of tineer, but I don't.
- 3:35Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't.
- 3:36Speaker 1: It wasn't really looking for that, whereas I think it
- 3:38Speaker 1: would come up Raybo was sorry, Franks, I would have
- 3:42Speaker 1: really sort of stood out to me.
- 3:43Speaker 2: So, yeah, but I skipped the previously on.
- 3:46Speaker 3: So what's so I can't I can't.
- 3:49Speaker 2: Skip previously on Stargate Atlantis?
- 3:52Speaker 1: What's the nature of major shop?
- 3:53Speaker 3: Is injury?
- 3:54Speaker 4: Some sort of selfious some currently funk early FuG in
- 4:00Speaker 4: Cooper swear to god, it's an.
- 4:03Speaker 3: Alien monster bug from out of space.
- 4:06Speaker 5: Man.
- 4:07Speaker 4: No, it wasn't Cooper episode though. No, but you know
- 4:10Speaker 4: Carl Binder been to bind Cooper, you know, Yeah, like
- 4:19Speaker 4: obviously it was. It was influenced by aliens. They wanted
- 4:23Speaker 4: to do that. I saw a lot of the reviews
- 4:25Speaker 4: on this episode criticizing its sake.
- 4:26Speaker 2: It was just too.
- 4:27Speaker 3: Dark visually, like that you couldn't see anything, like very dark.
- 4:31Speaker 4: I don't know, you guys, was that alien was so loud?
- 4:34Speaker 4: The monster oh like scared the acade.
- 4:37Speaker 2: Meed to ramped it up headphones on. So yeah, it was.
- 4:41Speaker 2: I had to turn it down almost half. Yeah.
- 4:44Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder how many different layers of s effects
- 4:46Speaker 1: they had in there to like create that creatures of
- 4:50Speaker 1: stuff going on, because there was a lot just again
- 4:52Speaker 1: listening to it with headphones onto the sounds like in
- 4:54Speaker 1: the middle of my head, like I like Brendan and
- 4:58Speaker 1: just yeah, piercing sort of louds reaches between the low
- 5:01Speaker 1: points of the audio and the really high Yeah.
- 5:03Speaker 4: But I looked like those alien bug things were like
- 5:08Speaker 4: the kind of the back of it was like the
- 5:10Speaker 4: foothold aliens. I wonder if they redressed that.
- 5:13Speaker 2: Costume or so. Maybe I just remember seeing like the tentacles.
- 5:17Speaker 3: The cool shot of the ratus bug like crawling up
- 5:20Speaker 3: Taylor very much gave me Children of the Gods. Yeah, yeah, is.
- 5:26Speaker 4: That the first cgo ratus bug? I mean they probably had.
- 5:32Speaker 3: Probably cave Yeah, probably little shots like that, but that's
- 5:35Speaker 3: probably probably the first like sort of you know, very
- 5:37Speaker 3: long extended shot of interacting with a body and all
- 5:40Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
- 5:41Speaker 4: I feel like it was small compared to the one
- 5:43Speaker 4: that was on Shepherd's neck.
- 5:44Speaker 3: Well, I guess that one was feeding and engorged, whereas
- 5:47Speaker 3: that one hadn't started.
- 5:50Speaker 2: I mean, Taylor looked quite in gorgeous.
- 5:52Speaker 3: Yeah, no nudity though, So that's just show how, you know,
- 5:56Speaker 3: how the show's evolved, I feel like, yeah, if it was,
- 5:59Speaker 3: I mean I probably did that with with Brandy Leadford's
- 6:02Speaker 3: character when when he had her Bittany probably probably stripped
- 6:06Speaker 3: it down. But I just with this episode, it just
- 6:09Speaker 3: it just reeks of something that we've sort of said
- 6:12Speaker 3: a lot in Atlantis, where so many of the problems
- 6:16Speaker 3: of this episode could have been solved if they just
- 6:18Speaker 3: brought a jumper with them and I don't mean the
- 6:20Speaker 3: item of clothing exactly. If they've and you know, it's
- 6:23Speaker 3: not like it's inaccessible. We see a dart like darts
- 6:27Speaker 3: bigger the day. Yeah, the dart flies through with not
- 6:29Speaker 3: a problem. So it's like, well, if they'd come with
- 6:32Speaker 3: a jumper, they could have scanned and would have had
- 6:35Speaker 3: better scanning than Rodney's little personal device, and we would
- 6:39Speaker 3: have found everything a lot quicker. Michael wouldn't have been
- 6:42Speaker 3: able to disable it. Well, he could have disabled the DHD,
- 6:46Speaker 3: but it wouldn't matter because we'd have had the jumper. Yeah,
- 6:50Speaker 3: So I just feel like it would have given as
- 6:51Speaker 3: a tactical advantage as well.
- 6:52Speaker 4: And also I was thinking this the Marines just get
- 6:55Speaker 4: taken out by the dart immediately that actually the main
- 6:58Speaker 4: marine steps into the fire lines. Yea of the beam
- 7:02Speaker 4: of the beam. But these days, when you think the
- 7:05Speaker 4: SGC would have mad tactics on how to defend a gate,
- 7:08Speaker 4: we've seen that so often in Stargate SG one. How
- 7:10Speaker 4: it's like, oh, SG two are marking the gate and
- 7:14Speaker 4: they get wiped out every single time by the incoming wormhole.
- 7:17Speaker 4: It's like, wouldn't you be defending. I would have it
- 7:19Speaker 4: defending from the rear, So then you can ambush anybody
- 7:22Speaker 4: that has always obviously from behind the gate. So when
- 7:26Speaker 4: they walk through the puddle, jump they walk through the puddle,
- 7:29Speaker 4: you can ambush them if they're the enemy.
- 7:31Speaker 3: Absolutely, I did see this. I mean to send it
- 7:34Speaker 3: through to you guys. Someone did did a just talk
- 7:36Speaker 3: of you know, adapting your tactics. Someone modified a P
- 7:40Speaker 3: ninety and put a little shield on the front of it,
- 7:42Speaker 3: like a little collapsing shield. So it kind of it's
- 7:44Speaker 3: almost like a little kevlar panels. Just yeah, like almost
- 7:48Speaker 3: like a riot shield that pops out from the side
- 7:49Speaker 3: of your your P ninety and just gives you a
- 7:52Speaker 3: little bit more protection.
- 7:53Speaker 2: That makes sense.
- 7:54Speaker 3: It kind of looks like the little gun on the
- 7:57Speaker 3: on the top of the malp from the episode where
- 8:00Speaker 3: char Gets gets murdered. Well, uh oh god, I'm just blanked.
- 8:05Speaker 2: Now what was pretense? No?
- 8:07Speaker 3: No, what was what was her wild name that took over? God,
- 8:13Speaker 3: there's a there's a trivia question.
- 8:17Speaker 2: People are gonna scream it up. Yeah, a Poffus and
- 8:20Speaker 2: his bride.
- 8:21Speaker 3: I'm on Nette, Yeah, yeah, me too, Yeah.
- 8:36Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. This is just a Monster of the Week.
- 8:40Speaker 4: I mean, there's there wasn't much else to it. Michael's back.
- 8:43Speaker 4: I guess that's can be exciting for some people. Yeah,
- 8:48Speaker 4: I guess we go Mitch, was it exciting for you
- 8:51Speaker 4: to have Michael like that?
- 8:52Speaker 2: Michael was back? Says something.
- 8:54Speaker 3: If you think it was exciting to have Michael back, Mitch,
- 9:01Speaker 3: put your dick away, Jesus, come on.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Now.
- 9:05Speaker 4: There's about seventeen minutes into the episode and the team
- 9:07Speaker 4: was starting to talk about Super Wraith. Obviously they didn't
- 9:11Speaker 4: know Michael was in it yet, I think, and they
- 9:14Speaker 4: were just talking about how the hybrid or maybe they
- 9:17Speaker 4: did there was they knew the lab was there, they
- 9:20Speaker 4: were making trying to make Super Wraith, And I was like,
- 9:22Speaker 4: that's interesting because it's kind of like, at this point
- 9:25Speaker 4: if we're speeding up Atlantis to matchesg One. It's like,
- 9:29Speaker 4: at this point we had this Anubis's super Soldiers.
- 9:32Speaker 3: Oh yeah, col Warriors, col.
- 9:34Speaker 2: Warriors, the gold and in those guys.
- 9:37Speaker 3: Yeah, that never occurred to me because it's like, in
- 9:39Speaker 3: a way, the Wraiths are already like super Aratus bugs.
- 9:45Speaker 2: Yeah, true, you know what I mean.
- 9:46Speaker 3: So it's weird to think that, yeah, someone's trying to
- 9:48Speaker 3: make a super rate.
- 9:49Speaker 2: They've got the drone vomit face guys.
- 9:51Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got those several levels of of of wraith already.
- 9:55Speaker 3: So yeah, the idea of a super wraith is interesting
- 9:58Speaker 3: given that, Yeah, they're just an there are there are
- 10:00Speaker 3: mutation of an Oratus bug and a human already. So
- 10:03Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess the reveal here is Michael's
- 10:05Speaker 3: trying to make them a little more a Radus bug,
- 10:07Speaker 3: a little less.
- 10:08Speaker 2: Human, more like him. Yeah.
- 10:11Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the problem the big part and I
- 10:14Speaker 3: guess this is a it's a spoiler for Mitch, but
- 10:16Speaker 3: B we're never going to get another opportunity to talk
- 10:19Speaker 3: about it. But we never revisit these creatures again. They're
- 10:24Speaker 3: never seen or heard from again, and soon well yeah,
- 10:28Speaker 3: and like there's the there's the shot where you see
- 10:31Speaker 3: Rodney and Taylor surrounded by like hundreds of life signs,
- 10:34Speaker 3: and and there ever so, and I think there might
- 10:38Speaker 3: be a line here, Mitchell, if you can play this
- 10:39Speaker 3: one for me.
- 10:40Speaker 5: I saw how you and your team destroyed the intubation,
- 10:45Speaker 5: But don't think that's the only one in this complex,
- 10:49Speaker 5: and don't think that this is the only planet from
- 10:51Speaker 5: which I'm conducting this experiment.
- 10:54Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
- 10:56Speaker 5: Soon hundreds of these creatures will be at my disposal
- 10:58Speaker 5: and their numbers will continue to grow.
- 11:00Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a weird, like one sided conversation after
- 11:03Speaker 1: already having.
- 11:03Speaker 2: Like monologue, crazy exposition that I haven't one of these things.
- 11:11Speaker 2: That's how I put my DNA in it. Sure there
- 11:14Speaker 2: were other weeks. Actually, much better way to face huggers.
- 11:19Speaker 2: These are faces we talk about the alien thing like.
- 11:23Speaker 1: It's crazy that when we did our episode two weeks ago,
- 11:27Speaker 1: the submersion, we're like, oh, this is like the ABYSS,
- 11:30Speaker 1: and the Abyss only like two or three weeks earlier
- 11:32Speaker 1: had celebrated at thirty fifth anniversary, and then this one
- 11:36Speaker 1: coming out today or sorry that we're talking about today.
- 11:39Speaker 2: It's like three weeks after Alien.
- 11:41Speaker 1: Romulus come out in cinemas, So like, have we just
- 11:43Speaker 1: been like, you know, a couple of episodes where I
- 11:45Speaker 1: didn't screw up the recording times those two episodes would
- 11:48Speaker 1: have released it very timely, little increment, And.
- 11:50Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't was it?
- 11:51Speaker 3: Aliens Romulus a fantastic movie? We can all, we can
- 11:54Speaker 3: all defectively say.
- 11:58Speaker 1: Fed Alvarez. Check out his back cut. I still seen
- 12:00Speaker 1: the Evil Dead that he did.
- 12:01Speaker 2: I couldn't. Is this a prequel to the original Alien?
- 12:04Speaker 1: No, it's it's kind of set in between Alien and Aliens.
- 12:09Speaker 1: But yeah, elsewhere I actually.
- 12:12Speaker 2: Sent that to you.
- 12:12Speaker 3: They've kind of abandoned that whole Prometheus storyline having, which
- 12:16Speaker 3: is a shame because I liked it.
- 12:17Speaker 2: Oh I didn't. I was very bored during all that.
- 12:19Speaker 4: Well maybe it's just like Michael Fassbender so much. Yeah,
- 12:23Speaker 4: he's so good.
- 12:26Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 12:26Speaker 3: Have you seen Centurion Roman that I've seen? That one
- 12:33Speaker 3: with Jamie Bell and Channing Tatum. Was that one called Spy?
- 12:38Speaker 2: I can't remember. Yeh think I've ever seen the Channing
- 12:45Speaker 2: Tatum movie?
- 12:46Speaker 3: Oh mate, do yourself a favor, would I?
- 12:52Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 12:54Speaker 3: Magic, Mike, don't worry about Magic Mike two or three,
- 12:56Speaker 3: but Magic Mike.
- 12:58Speaker 1: No, see Magic Yeah, Magic Mike two. That was fun.
- 13:01Speaker 1: That was a fun version of like, oh that's character
- 13:03Speaker 1: drama though, that's because you want to get by j now.
- 13:06Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 13:06Speaker 3: Sure, he loved his Backstreet Boys performance.
- 13:09Speaker 2: I never saw Magic Mike number three.
- 13:11Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 13:12Speaker 2: The True Blood yeah yeah, yeah. The Wolf.
- 13:14Speaker 1: The Alien was set in twenty one twenty two. Aliens
- 13:19Speaker 1: was twenty one seventy nine. Alien Romulus was twenty one
- 13:22Speaker 1: forty two.
- 13:23Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, the trailer looks good. The trailer doesn't She
- 13:25Speaker 2: isn't like she goes to sleep for like the year. Yeah,
- 13:28Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Because then I.
- 13:30Speaker 1: Only saw that because it was a clip they released
- 13:32Speaker 1: on the twentieth Century Fox Instagram page, and so I
- 13:36Speaker 1: was like really looking at the date and I'm screen
- 13:38Speaker 1: shot because I was going to send to you because
- 13:40Speaker 1: I know you you're keen to see Romulus. And then
- 13:41Speaker 1: my kids started watching what became after that, which was
- 13:44Speaker 1: a trailer for Romulus, and I'm like, I don't want
- 13:46Speaker 1: you to, but also you need to be scared more.
- 13:49Speaker 1: And that's what I was really when I saw that, the.
- 13:52Speaker 2: Original one, it was still good. Yeah for the kids.
- 13:55Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be used to see if you're trying, if
- 13:57Speaker 3: you're able to trauma tize your children.
- 13:58Speaker 2: I wanted alien one. I think I think they need to.
- 14:00Speaker 3: I think James is almost getting too old for that. So, yeah,
- 14:02Speaker 3: you need to get out to be real quick.
- 14:05Speaker 2: No, No, he's not. No, that's the thing.
- 14:06Speaker 1: I think I've delayed what he does watch already that
- 14:09Speaker 1: it's not too late to.
- 14:11Speaker 3: Oh so you're studying his growth. So you're abusing your child,
- 14:13Speaker 3: is what you're saying.
- 14:13Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
- 14:15Speaker 1: I think, entertainmently speaking, is that I've stunned.
- 14:20Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we grew up in the generation where
- 14:21Speaker 3: like I remember, I mean, you guys are the eldest
- 14:23Speaker 3: in your family, whereas I'm the youngest. So I was
- 14:25Speaker 3: traumatized by my sisters, by them sitting me down at
- 14:27Speaker 3: the age of like seven and watching the first couple
- 14:29Speaker 3: of Chucky films.
- 14:30Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Introduced James to a lot of movies and you know,
- 14:40Speaker 1: like Star Wars and stuff. And then but then when
- 14:42Speaker 1: he watches it at say nine or ten, that makes
- 14:45Speaker 1: my youngest boy, you know, four or five. Yeah, and
- 14:48Speaker 1: it's like it's probably too young for hinded like I
- 14:51Speaker 1: wanted to properly pay attention, you know, like we watched
- 14:54Speaker 1: episode two for the first time only a couple of
- 14:56Speaker 1: months ago, and you know, I want them to feel
- 14:59Speaker 1: when an Can kills all the sand people and then
- 15:02Speaker 1: when he admits it to Padme after and the Darth
- 15:04Speaker 1: Vade of the Imperial music that comes in at the end.
- 15:06Speaker 1: I want them to feel whereas he starts cutting heads
- 15:08Speaker 1: off and they're like, yeah, look at him, go he's
- 15:10Speaker 1: so awesome with the light set, Like no, this is
- 15:12Speaker 1: why I needs to be old enough to appreciate what
- 15:14Speaker 1: that means for this block.
- 15:16Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't think anyone of any age can
- 15:17Speaker 3: really appreciate the that because it just wasn't executed very quick.
- 15:21Speaker 2: Sure, but like they don't know that too much.
- 15:25Speaker 3: Yeah, they're also human beings though, like you know you
- 15:27Speaker 3: can't Yeah, but you can't get blood out of a
- 15:30Speaker 3: stone or whatever it is, you know.
- 15:31Speaker 2: I mean, sure, fair.
- 15:33Speaker 4: Enough, but what they should have done with that Anakin
- 15:37Speaker 4: killing the Sad people was just go back to that
- 15:39Speaker 4: shot of him, you know, when he was up on
- 15:41Speaker 4: the cliff looking down, and they should have gone back
- 15:44Speaker 4: to that view and just heard it.
- 15:47Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like a fource echo.
- 15:49Speaker 4: Yeah, like like a cutaway.
- 15:52Speaker 2: You know how sometimes they cut away to something and
- 15:54Speaker 2: you just hear it.
- 15:55Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like yeah, yeah, cut to a wide
- 15:59Speaker 3: shot and you just you hear the Yeah.
- 16:02Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. They should have done that
- 16:05Speaker 2: with the Younglings. They do it.
- 16:06Speaker 4: Yeah, they did a whi yeah like external of the temple. Yeah,
- 16:09Speaker 4: and heard the screens. Yeah, because that like, that's that's
- 16:14Speaker 4: staff Vader.
- 16:15Speaker 3: That's what we came like, Yeah, what what that's the
- 16:17Speaker 3: whole point of this extra trilogy.
- 16:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 16:18Speaker 4: It's like watching a Freddie or Jason movie and just
- 16:21Speaker 4: cutting away every time he's about to kill everyone.
- 16:23Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just come on, I.
- 16:24Speaker 1: Haven't It got a very limited release about two months ago,
- 16:30Speaker 1: but hopefully streaming soon. What's called in a Violent Nature?
- 16:33Speaker 1: Did you hear about that movie? It's think about say Jason,
- 16:37Speaker 1: because that's sort of what he looks like, this killer.
- 16:39Speaker 1: The movie is told from his perspective, so he's still
- 16:42Speaker 1: like a senseless like mindless, like he doesn't speak as
- 16:45Speaker 1: far as I know, I haven't seen it, but you
- 16:47Speaker 1: basically it's like a camera following him around or you
- 16:50Speaker 1: don't you're not sitting there with the stupid kids and
- 16:53Speaker 1: watching them run off to try and sneak in a
- 16:54Speaker 1: session or something. You are this bloke stalking the happless
- 16:58Speaker 1: teenagers early twenty something things in the in the woods
- 17:01Speaker 1: and apparently like so then you actually do see the
- 17:04Speaker 1: hacking and stuff, and like you do see the quite
- 17:06Speaker 1: violent nature of those murders and stuff.
- 17:08Speaker 4: So I mean, just like a Michael Myers movie where
- 17:11Speaker 4: he's only walking, doesn't kill anyone. Oh, let's swipe, let's
- 17:15Speaker 4: wipe away. I'm really trying not to talk about this episode,
- 17:18Speaker 4: but now I well, like.
- 17:20Speaker 1: I, yeah, it's from I guess first time. And for me,
- 17:23Speaker 1: like I, you know, Michael shows up and I think
- 17:26Speaker 1: I actually can't remember whether I did see the contentry
- 17:28Speaker 1: anything after mentioning it before. Like he just sort of
- 17:30Speaker 1: pops up and I was like, oh, okay, okay, Michael, Okay,
- 17:34Speaker 1: it's a different thing now, Like it was one thing
- 17:36Speaker 1: when it was just a creature of the weak type thing,
- 17:38Speaker 1: but when it's Michael and it's like, oh, okay, what
- 17:40Speaker 1: does this mean?
- 17:40Speaker 2: But then when he did have that.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Two minutes two and a half minute of exposition of
- 17:45Speaker 1: like let me tell you everything that I did and
- 17:47Speaker 1: then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened,
- 17:49Speaker 1: and then it comes back to him and.
- 17:50Speaker 2: Taylor where we just the audio you just play.
- 17:51Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, this is happening, and don't think that
- 17:54Speaker 1: this isn't happening, because it is. And don't you dare
- 17:55Speaker 1: think that this is happening because it isn't. And I'm like,
- 17:58Speaker 1: stop talking to you.
- 17:59Speaker 3: And it's happening on It's happening on other planets as well,
- 18:03Speaker 3: and it's.
- 18:03Speaker 4: Like, hello, Taylor, let's have the same conversation that we've
- 18:06Speaker 4: had the last four times together.
- 18:07Speaker 2: You betrayed me.
- 18:08Speaker 3: Yeah, shut up, Yeah, I did, like though Ronan calling
- 18:13Speaker 3: out the bullshit, though, I kind of just wish that
- 18:15Speaker 3: we can handle it. I think maybe it would have
- 18:17Speaker 3: been more impactful if like more people had heard it
- 18:20Speaker 3: and it wasn't just a conversation with him and John.
- 18:23Speaker 5: So you're going to start what we're going to need
- 18:25Speaker 5: a question of it.
- 18:26Speaker 2: No no more talking, no more questioning.
- 18:28Speaker 5: I'm going to do what we should have done the
- 18:29Speaker 5: first time we captured it and listened to me.
- 18:31Speaker 3: You listen to me, John.
- 18:32Speaker 2: This whole retrovirus thing was a mistake. I said it
- 18:34Speaker 2: then no one listened to me. It was a bad idea.
- 18:37Speaker 2: We had to try. If it worked, we wouldn't. But
- 18:39Speaker 2: it didn't work a minute. Admit it just made things worse.
- 18:46Speaker 2: How long do you want to keep paying for it? Yeah?
- 18:50Speaker 2: So much? Yeah.
- 18:51Speaker 3: Yeah, he had to wait for Becka to be dead
- 18:53Speaker 3: to tell him that it was a bad idea. Chris
- 18:55Speaker 3: Chidge did away eight years to get that much do Yeah, right,
- 19:01Speaker 3: like facts like rot there.
- 19:04Speaker 1: I was like, what we should have on the first time.
- 19:06Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you knowally killed him when he still
- 19:07Speaker 1: thought he was human. Yeah, he didn't like the way
- 19:09Speaker 1: he looked at you in the cafeteria and he went
- 19:11Speaker 1: to like.
- 19:11Speaker 3: The way he opened his laptop and you were ready
- 19:14Speaker 3: to check him out.
- 19:19Speaker 2: He's coming right for us self defense.
- 19:22Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, I just wanted I want Ronan
- 19:25Speaker 4: to kill him so bad because at this point, like
- 19:29Speaker 4: this episode did nothing for the character of Michael, did
- 19:32Speaker 4: nothing for the main story arc of Atlantis in hindsight.
- 19:36Speaker 3: And we're not we're not upset about the loss of
- 19:38Speaker 3: the super volcano people.
- 19:40Speaker 2: No, we didn't care. I thought they already died in
- 19:44Speaker 2: that other episode, so I forgot does.
- 19:47Speaker 1: The story change at all? If it's just if they
- 19:50Speaker 1: introduce another species by name, right, and uh, you know
- 19:55Speaker 1: and go, oh, we haven't heard from those people that
- 19:57Speaker 1: we saved in an adventure you didn't see audience, they haven't.
- 20:00Speaker 1: It would have changed nothing except for the fact that
- 20:02Speaker 1: you get to come in. But you go, oh that
- 20:04Speaker 1: hot chick died.
- 20:04Speaker 2: Yeah, like almost. It's almost like the whole first act
- 20:10Speaker 2: was filler.
- 20:10Speaker 3: Like if you think about it, if the episode was long,
- 20:13Speaker 3: it could have just been the opening scene could have
- 20:16Speaker 3: been us just exploring and just going to a planet
- 20:18Speaker 3: and finding this settlement and going, oh, we spoke to
- 20:21Speaker 3: these people like two days ago on the map and
- 20:23Speaker 3: they told us to come visit.
- 20:24Speaker 4: Yeah right, it probably would have been better like less exposition.
- 20:28Speaker 3: Yeah, but obviously they you know, they didn't have enough
- 20:31Speaker 3: budget to do you know, all that you know monster,
- 20:34Speaker 3: you know, bootleather kind of stuff, so they said, yeah,
- 20:37Speaker 3: let's do the let's do the super volcano people.
- 20:39Speaker 4: So I did like the directing, like the month like
- 20:42Speaker 4: they did good kind of cutaways of the monster and
- 20:45Speaker 4: shaky cam cam.
- 20:46Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of it was practical, which was good,
- 20:49Speaker 3: Like the wind when Ronan picked up like just the
- 20:51Speaker 3: floppy hand, you know, the of the of the creature.
- 20:54Speaker 2: They cut off like that.
- 20:55Speaker 4: Was some good Oh yeah, speaking about hands, didn't. They
- 20:58Speaker 4: were talking about how they're not sure how Wraith reproduce
- 21:02Speaker 4: link and you miss it. Bit Ronan puts his palm
- 21:06Speaker 4: up like this and waves as in they just confirming it.
- 21:11Speaker 4: Bang the hand, that's how they reproduce.
- 21:14Speaker 3: Talk about a face, yes, I mean they've always been
- 21:17Speaker 3: pumpkers since the beginning, but you know, as are we all.
- 21:22Speaker 4: So they are asexual so they can reproduce with themselves.
- 21:25Speaker 2: They just imagine that you have to use birth control
- 21:29Speaker 2: to have a wank.
- 21:31Speaker 3: I like, you know, I liken it to like an
- 21:34Speaker 3: antwer a bee colony where it's the queen. You gotta have,
- 21:37Speaker 3: you gotta face, you gotta handle the queen like the gould.
- 21:40Speaker 2: Yeah. I think let's talk about how you masturbating and stuff.
- 21:43Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all the I think all the drones
- 21:46Speaker 3: and the lieutenants and stuff, and and Michael, they can
- 21:48Speaker 3: all just like hand themselves, like obviously Jesus would have
- 21:51Speaker 3: when he came back and had those big holes in
- 21:53Speaker 3: his palm.
- 21:55Speaker 2: At this.
- 21:56Speaker 1: CO twelve, my best mates watching me did it stacks
- 22:00Speaker 1: and a double hole. Yeah, I can do them at
- 22:03Speaker 1: different speeds ones that one goes down try it.
- 22:09Speaker 2: Sort of territory.
- 22:11Speaker 3: But yeah, but I think I think you'd probably have
- 22:12Speaker 3: to hand the queen for them for herd to get more,
- 22:16Speaker 3: to get more wraith.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, well I guess again new time.
- 22:20Speaker 1: But we've spoken about it before, and just the idea
- 22:22Speaker 1: that they do suck your blood type thing. You know,
- 22:24Speaker 1: they're their their space vampires, and so that's how I've
- 22:27Speaker 1: always looked at them, and even the long hair and
- 22:30Speaker 1: the fact that they go into hibernation and sleep and stuff,
- 22:33Speaker 1: not necessarily in the day, but those sort of things.
- 22:35Speaker 3: Metal, big fingers and stuff. The pale skin, pale with
- 22:39Speaker 3: the red like the first Caretaker slash Queen and meet
- 22:42Speaker 3: looks exactly like Marilyn Manson from one of these films.
- 22:45Speaker 1: And the animalistic nature. There's a lot of vampire and
- 22:49Speaker 1: as to it. But then maybe through way of this
- 22:52Speaker 1: story being a little bit more first Alien film, but
- 22:56Speaker 1: then when they go into I mean not that this
- 22:57Speaker 1: is anything we've just learned, but when they reaffirm the hey, well,
- 23:01Speaker 1: so we had the Auratus bug and that was introduced
- 23:04Speaker 1: to you know, humanoid sort of dean, and that's when
- 23:06Speaker 1: you get the wraith. Right, So it's kind of like
- 23:09Speaker 1: the xenomorphs that we have in Alien. Right, So those
- 23:12Speaker 1: are only a byproduct of human DNA, right with with
- 23:18Speaker 1: the face the face huggers onto a human creates the xenomorph.
- 23:21Speaker 1: Otherwise it's which is something I've never really I love
- 23:24Speaker 1: the xenomorph's head. I don't like the fact that it's
- 23:26Speaker 1: essentially just a human body with weird like detail. I'm like,
- 23:28Speaker 1: I want it more animalistic, more lizard sort of like, but.
- 23:32Speaker 3: How does the face hugger live before, like if it
- 23:34Speaker 3: doesn't doesn't find it doesn't face, yeah, like right out
- 23:38Speaker 3: of the egg. Yeah, this is just with I don't know,
- 23:41Speaker 3: so is a grow its almost bigger into something else? Yeah,
- 23:44Speaker 3: like the dog version from Gargles. You know how these
- 23:46Speaker 3: all the Gargoyles, there was that dog that.
- 23:49Speaker 1: Yeah, So I want to almost draw it like a
- 23:51Speaker 1: line on that whiteboard there and go, you know, alien
- 23:54Speaker 1: and then at the other end of the board vampire.
- 23:56Speaker 1: Where in that scale of alien to vampire or xenomorf
- 24:00Speaker 1: to a vampire, does the wraith sin be a lot
- 24:04Speaker 1: closer to a vampire.
- 24:05Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna go the other direction because I
- 24:07Speaker 3: remember seeing a meme when like the Prometheus films came out,
- 24:09Speaker 3: and it was like all the math and it was
- 24:11Speaker 3: like black goo plus human equals you know those naked
- 24:17Speaker 3: white aliens face hugger plus black goom equals this. It
- 24:20Speaker 3: was like all the combinations of like you have to
- 24:23Speaker 3: keep the math going in your head of what combination
- 24:25Speaker 3: of things equals what outcome? That's what you're going. No,
- 24:28Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I read somewhere too like the whole
- 24:31Speaker 3: vampire like idea is an analogy of like like sex,
- 24:36Speaker 3: and like that's why like vampires are very like they
- 24:38Speaker 3: seduce you and they have those kind of what I thought,
- 24:41Speaker 3: they can put you in like Dracula in his thrall
- 24:44Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff was actually like a
- 24:47Speaker 3: metaphor for like the stigma around gay sex and all
- 24:51Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, because it's it's you're enticing this
- 24:54Speaker 3: person to become in the you know, this this evil,
- 24:56Speaker 3: undead thing by what sexually like a transmitted you're essentially
- 25:01Speaker 3: you're infected by a disease by then biting you and
- 25:04Speaker 3: it infects you. So it's like it's like an AIDS thing,
- 25:06Speaker 3: and there's a whole big sort of like you know,
- 25:08Speaker 3: theories and stuff have been written on the on the
- 25:10Speaker 3: idea of what vampires actually represent, and is that the
- 25:13Speaker 3: sexual nature?
- 25:14Speaker 2: I think is that like a more modern age type
- 25:18Speaker 2: like Twilight Money.
- 25:19Speaker 3: Because obviously AIDS was much later.
- 25:22Speaker 1: Even just the idea of say, I guess homosexuality back
- 25:24Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds when vampires were first created,
- 25:29Speaker 1: was it then or was it just like, oh, cool
- 25:31Speaker 1: monster that eats your blood, you know sort of?
- 25:32Speaker 3: I think it was one of those real, like sly
- 25:34Speaker 3: kind of ways to get in and tell those stories
- 25:36Speaker 3: in the same way they say that, you know, like
- 25:38Speaker 3: like Michelangelo who painted an entire ceiling of naked man.
- 25:42Speaker 2: They're just his friends. It's just Jesus his friends.
- 25:45Speaker 6: You know.
- 25:45Speaker 3: He wasn't a gay man, just you know, painting pornography
- 25:47Speaker 3: on the roof of a chapel or anything like that.
- 25:51Speaker 2: Nah. No, it was a god fearing man. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 25:54Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, it was.
- 25:55Speaker 3: It was an analogy because obviously you know, the you know,
- 25:58Speaker 3: vampires being like you know, the anti Christ and you know,
- 26:01Speaker 3: burnt by a a cross and all those kind of things.
- 26:06Speaker 3: It's very much a like atheist gay sort of subtext.
- 26:10Speaker 3: But yeah, then obviously much much later, the sort of
- 26:13Speaker 3: the AIDS comparison was drawn in there and that kind
- 26:15Speaker 3: of thing as well.
- 26:16Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and that's cope. Never really thought about it
- 26:18Speaker 2: like that.
- 26:18Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, no, I definitely see the allegory between yeah,
- 26:23Speaker 3: the wraith and vampires. It's very very that way, and
- 26:26Speaker 3: I guess I'll get that's one for this. But you know,
- 26:28Speaker 3: Star Trek has their own version in the Borg. You know,
- 26:30Speaker 3: Borg are these cybernetic vampires where you know, they're just
- 26:34Speaker 3: these windless automatons and they go and literally they inject
- 26:37Speaker 3: two tubes into your neck and then turn you into
- 26:39Speaker 3: one of them. Yeah, all sense of self and so
- 26:42Speaker 3: it's you know, it's it's throughout science fiction and literature everywhere,
- 26:46Speaker 3: so it's nice to see different takes on it.
- 26:50Speaker 4: The Borg probably are the best comparison to no, just
- 26:54Speaker 4: the best bag in sci fi until you get.
- 26:57Speaker 3: To Picard and then it's a bit it's a bit rough,
- 27:02Speaker 3: like but like att.
- 27:04Speaker 4: Yeah, boyd you did it better because they had better
- 27:10Speaker 4: budgets and better better.
- 27:12Speaker 1: Someone who loves Jane Wade would see that damn skippy.
- 27:17Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people disagree with you.
- 27:21Speaker 3: Me. Yeah, it's like you go back to the next
- 27:23Speaker 3: generation and it's like they just had white face paint
- 27:25Speaker 3: and they're wearing black spandex with a couple of like
- 27:28Speaker 3: you know, black tubes, you know, stuck to them.
- 27:30Speaker 2: And you're like, that's not very menacing, Whereas I think
- 27:34Speaker 2: it was the card factor that made it. Yeah, I
- 27:36Speaker 2: think is when you get first contact.
- 27:38Speaker 3: First contact is the real vampire aspect of that.
- 27:41Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's a shame did you give
- 27:46Speaker 2: it that one?
- 27:47Speaker 1: I mean, we do have one joke because people that
- 27:53Speaker 1: tally this sort of ship up upset.
- 27:55Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that could be something people can submit for
- 27:57Speaker 3: our our s G one sort of series. All the times, Yeah,
- 28:01Speaker 3: all the times Mitch missed and like how many times
- 28:03Speaker 3: my microphone should have been turned off?
- 28:05Speaker 1: You know, like because you know what this is, I
- 28:09Speaker 1: should take this photo. I'll see if I'm gonna try
- 28:11Speaker 1: and get in portrait mode, the button.
- 28:15Speaker 2: In focus and you're gonna get Maddie. Now there you go.
- 28:19Speaker 1: Look right, the button that says Starga a gate Trek one,
- 28:24Speaker 1: which is that's wine. Maddie's face sits right above that
- 28:26Speaker 1: in my peripherals, right, So whenever.
- 28:28Speaker 2: I go to press that button, that's what I see.
- 28:31Speaker 1: Like, Shoot, I'm like, you know what, I got my
- 28:33Speaker 1: best mates in this room, and one of them is
- 28:35Speaker 1: over there. I'm not taking that photo. Don't you dare
- 28:38Speaker 1: to put your tongue away until later. Now you know
- 28:42Speaker 1: that button sits there, So when I go to click it,
- 28:43Speaker 1: especially for the first time. You know, once I do one,
- 28:45Speaker 1: it's fine, I can go to the second one because
- 28:47Speaker 1: you've already started the ball rolling down the hill.
- 28:50Speaker 2: So I just feel I just I just feel a
- 28:52Speaker 2: little bad.
- 28:52Speaker 3: Hey, look, I object to the the concept as a whole.
- 28:56Speaker 3: But you have to remember I also made those audio.
- 28:58Speaker 1: Piss So you see this one down in the In
- 29:02Speaker 1: this I don't look at you when I pressed this one.
- 29:03Speaker 2: Brendan knows way more about Stargate than I.
- 29:06Speaker 1: Don't feel any guilt when I press that. That's fine,
- 29:08Speaker 1: that was coercion. And this one's This one's actually so
- 29:13Speaker 1: much further down I can't even see you. I should
- 29:17Speaker 1: put them over new Brendan. So it encourages me.
- 29:19Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like Ronan does not like weird. Yeah,
- 29:24Speaker 4: do you get that vibe like he's like he's chauvinistic.
- 29:27Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't.
- 29:28Speaker 4: Tending back up and then we can handle it. I
- 29:32Speaker 4: know you can handle it, but we're sending back up,
- 29:34Speaker 4: which she did the right thing. But but Ronan was like,
- 29:37Speaker 4: did you sorry?
- 29:38Speaker 2: Did you get that? We get cold? She sent the
- 29:40Speaker 2: worst team, right, we just had We just had a
- 29:43Speaker 2: quote there. She did the right thing, Okay, I mean
- 29:47Speaker 2: just tally up another for to her.
- 29:51Speaker 3: I don't think it was specific against Weird because, like
- 29:53Speaker 3: I played it before, he was also having that argument
- 29:55Speaker 3: with John, he was he was going ship. He just
- 29:57Speaker 3: has zero tolerance for Raith bullshit. And I think he blames.
- 30:02Speaker 2: Why these humans?
- 30:04Speaker 3: Why are you?
- 30:05Speaker 2: Yeah, why are you trying to turn them into humans?
- 30:07Speaker 3: Their wrath they need to be Yeah, it's extinguished.
- 30:10Speaker 4: They need to be eradicated. You guys have only dealt
- 30:12Speaker 4: with him for like two and a half years. I've
- 30:14Speaker 4: been dealing with them for my whole life.
- 30:15Speaker 2: Yeah, they're scum, bro.
- 30:17Speaker 3: Actually that's that's something we need someone to go back
- 30:20Speaker 3: and find the audio from my very first across the
- 30:23Speaker 3: universe back in like season two or season three, I
- 30:26Speaker 3: mentioned like the episode of s G one where Ronan
- 30:30Speaker 3: became a runner, Like that's how long he's been, Like
- 30:33Speaker 3: it was early early season three or something like that.
- 30:37Speaker 1: I think you're speaking a different language when you said that. Yeah,
- 30:39Speaker 1: you said those words. It made no sense to me,
- 30:41Speaker 1: don't you reckon? It was weird though, with those marines.
- 30:46Speaker 1: They got picked up in the dart, so I assume
- 30:48Speaker 1: they're in the dart. And then after we stole the dart,
- 30:51Speaker 1: we stole the dart, took it to a different planet,
- 30:53Speaker 1: came through because I was expecting the dart to come
- 30:55Speaker 1: into Atlantis, which it didn't. They just walked through because
- 30:58Speaker 1: I'm like, Elizabeth is going to get and speared in
- 31:01Speaker 1: the face here.
- 31:03Speaker 4: And yeah, and then they're dead. So in theory, Michael
- 31:07Speaker 4: sucked them up in the dart. He dropped them out.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Sucked all four, killed them, like just to kill them.
- 31:13Speaker 2: He dropped and then killed.
- 31:14Speaker 3: Them maybe de materialized them in front of a group
- 31:18Speaker 3: of all those ns, like the big monsters, and they
- 31:21Speaker 3: just tore those marines apart.
- 31:23Speaker 4: What would have been cool if he had just flown
- 31:24Speaker 4: up like a thousand feet Oh yeah, yeah, because.
- 31:31Speaker 1: I mean he was was he just is he prepared
- 31:33Speaker 1: or has he just got really good, really quick reflexes
- 31:35Speaker 1: because he pumps out of the dart and they're like
- 31:38Speaker 1: he's like he was already. I mean maybe the button
- 31:41Speaker 1: is literally there on the steering wheel, but he was
- 31:43Speaker 1: so quick to react to the fact that, oh, hey,
- 31:45Speaker 1: there's four humans ready to go.
- 31:47Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there's a setting in a dart where you
- 31:49Speaker 3: can just he can just be the hungry setting. And
- 31:51Speaker 3: it's just it's just constantly sense. If it senses a human,
- 31:54Speaker 3: it sucks them up, yeah, and saves them for later.
- 31:56Speaker 4: Yeah, that guy, I just still can't get over the
- 31:58Speaker 4: main marine getting in line with the other guys in getting.
- 32:02Speaker 3: Yes, it's just well, apparently there's there's even was apparently
- 32:05Speaker 3: in Madam Webb there's a scene where like the main
- 32:10Speaker 3: villain basically.
- 32:13Speaker 2: They someone throws a.
- 32:14Speaker 3: Car at him and he jumps to get in the
- 32:18Speaker 3: way of it to then get hit by it instead
- 32:20Speaker 3: of jumping away from it. People were making fun of that.
- 32:22Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we spoken about Prometheus. Is at the
- 32:24Speaker 1: end of Prometheus where Elizabeth Elizabeth sure is that's that
- 32:28Speaker 1: is that that might be the lead that knew me
- 32:30Speaker 1: repast from Holy shit, if I've pulled that out of it.
- 32:33Speaker 3: I mean, you pulled ninety one for Terminut the other week,
- 32:35Speaker 3: which was impressive because I fact checked you.
- 32:36Speaker 2: While you're talking, mate, Please please, because I would would
- 32:40Speaker 2: I would have sworn up and up and down. It
- 32:42Speaker 2: was ninety ninety two.
- 32:43Speaker 1: Seven years between the first and second I remember that. Yeah,
- 32:46Speaker 1: I don't know why. That's just ship that lives in
- 32:47Speaker 1: my brain. Stop, my wife tells me, I wish I
- 32:50Speaker 1: could remember that.
- 32:51Speaker 2: What do we having for dinner? Oh?
- 32:53Speaker 1: I was supposed to figure it out? And shit, there's
- 32:56Speaker 1: that giant structure. Are you looking at Elizabeth Shure?
- 33:00Speaker 6: Yes?
- 33:01Speaker 2: And it's played bypass Oh. I thought you'd got a
- 33:04Speaker 2: name calling Naomi or something.
- 33:05Speaker 1: Nas and it might be replaced. But she's whatever nationally
- 33:11Speaker 1: she is.
- 33:11Speaker 2: I'm just having.
- 33:13Speaker 1: So there's a giant structure that's falling. I assume it's her,
- 33:17Speaker 1: not Shirley's character. But it's falling, and it's like, say,
- 33:20Speaker 1: it's it's whatever like shape the thing is, it's just
- 33:24Speaker 1: falling and it maybe is covering. Say it's twenty meters white. Yeah,
- 33:27Speaker 1: and it's falling for a long long Yeah, it's so much.
- 33:31Speaker 1: If she just ran sideways, she would have avoided where
- 33:34Speaker 1: it was falling the direction that I believe Forward.
- 33:37Speaker 3: Cinema Sins have that as a recurring joke, where when
- 33:40Speaker 3: someone does that they call it, oh, they came from
- 33:43Speaker 3: the Promethea school of running away from.
- 33:44Speaker 1: Here, right, Okay, well and it wouldn't have been the
- 33:47Speaker 1: first time, but maybe it's the worst time.
- 33:48Speaker 2: Yeah, the most TV.
- 33:50Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, yeah, yeah, I found that weird too, Brennan,
- 33:53Speaker 1: because like, all a sudden, you hear the gate open up,
- 33:55Speaker 1: and like, okay, your your defenses are up, and he's
- 33:59Speaker 1: just like they look around, he's like and then rather
- 34:02Speaker 1: than just like, oh hey, the weapons we have on
- 34:05Speaker 1: in front of it, that we have available to us,
- 34:07Speaker 1: sap to our chests, the machine guns are not going
- 34:09Speaker 1: to do anything to this jump away out of its path.
- 34:12Speaker 2: It's like so much yeah yeah, and then again if
- 34:17Speaker 2: they're behind the gate.
- 34:19Speaker 3: And again White in the Marines bring a jumper as well.
- 34:25Speaker 2: But then also later on.
- 34:26Speaker 4: Not enough for him, right, You can just pull, you'd
- 34:29Speaker 4: pull in the gate opens, and then you reverse behind
- 34:34Speaker 4: the gate.
- 34:35Speaker 2: We did that in the return.
- 34:36Speaker 3: Remember when we when we went back to Atlantis, we
- 34:41Speaker 3: came through, then we reversed through the closed gate and
- 34:44Speaker 3: smashed through the glass and then left the bomb and
- 34:46Speaker 3: pissed off, and then we've also come to a screaming
- 34:49Speaker 3: halt coming back to the SGC. I think even maybe
- 34:52Speaker 3: in the same two parter, like we came to a
- 34:54Speaker 3: stop on a dime. So yeah, the jumper definitely could
- 34:59Speaker 3: have done. I had an issue with right at the
- 35:01Speaker 3: end when Shepherd picks up Ronan. I believe it is
- 35:06Speaker 3: like he's just surrounded by by all these monsters and
- 35:10Speaker 3: then he's able to just like cherry pick him with
- 35:12Speaker 3: the beaming device. Normally, the beaming device just like just
- 35:15Speaker 3: scoops people up where he and just picked Imagine if
- 35:18Speaker 3: he picked up Ronan and picked up one of the
- 35:22Speaker 3: UH monsters as well, because remember remember back in the
- 35:25Speaker 3: in the last UH rainbo Son Franks was forward the
- 35:32Speaker 3: last Ford episode. Remember it is like he didn't know
- 35:35Speaker 3: how to let people out, and all those just went
- 35:36Speaker 3: over the side side of that Sorry for the edit,
- 35:39Speaker 3: they Mitch, all those guys.
- 35:41Speaker 2: Went over the side of that thing. Because it's like
- 35:43Speaker 2: it's not a precise thing.
- 35:44Speaker 3: But now you can just like you can just pick
- 35:46Speaker 3: up Ronan and not pick up any of those monsters either.
- 35:49Speaker 1: It seems like just the hiding behind the gate thing.
- 35:51Speaker 1: It would seem like something we should have seen already
- 35:54Speaker 1: and have had, like O'Neill there, like all this Jafar
- 35:57Speaker 1: just like come in and then so obvious the wormhole,
- 36:01Speaker 1: the event horizon disappears and it's like, hey guys, and
- 36:05Speaker 1: they turn around.
- 36:06Speaker 2: You can even shoot them.
- 36:07Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you can.
- 36:10Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 36:11Speaker 4: I don't think they've ever shown what happens if you
- 36:14Speaker 4: something back of the back, right, Yeah, I don't think
- 36:17Speaker 4: we've ever never even seen it. Yeah, I don't think
- 36:19Speaker 4: I've ever tried, at least on screen.
- 36:22Speaker 2: It would be interesting science to play with.
- 36:24Speaker 4: Yeah, does it disappear or does it just do you
- 36:27Speaker 4: walk through?
- 36:28Speaker 3: Do you come out the other side turned inside out? Like?
- 36:30Speaker 4: Because I mean when you put your say, if you
- 36:33Speaker 4: put your arm into the event horizon, you can.
- 36:35Speaker 2: Bring it back out, correct.
- 36:36Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you're shooting something from the back, I imagine, yeah,
- 36:42Speaker 4: something that we never seen. But it'd be cool if
- 36:44Speaker 4: you could just shoot them as they're coming through. Oh
- 36:46Speaker 4: yeah there you far go get those turret turret mouts.
- 36:52Speaker 1: Yeah, reverse it to the back, put tip there because
- 36:54Speaker 1: you know he's a love it.
- 36:55Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the problem.
- 36:56Speaker 3: If we ever got someone like Brad right on the show,
- 36:58Speaker 3: we'd be asking him stupid questions like that. He'd be like,
- 37:01Speaker 3: he'd be like, dude, yeah, it's a show that was canceled, Like.
- 37:04Speaker 1: I want to give you that ship heart. I hate
- 37:08Speaker 1: when you see him at cons and you get some nerve.
- 37:10Speaker 1: And season four, episode six, why didn't they go to
- 37:15Speaker 1: the cafeteria through the one hole?
- 37:17Speaker 2: It's like, what, I don't remember what you're talking about.
- 37:20Speaker 2: H that's ridiculous. We be comic book guy from the Simpsons.
- 37:23Speaker 2: But there's a way to having fun with it. My
- 37:25Speaker 2: favorite stuff is the gate Physics. Yeah. Yeah, it's like
- 37:29Speaker 2: it's like it's the same thing.
- 37:31Speaker 3: There's a great clip of stan Lee before he passed,
- 37:33Speaker 3: and it's him talking about you know, because everyone loves
- 37:35Speaker 3: to go, oh, who'd win, you know, Captain America or
- 37:39Speaker 3: or the thing versus the whole, and Stanley just goes,
- 37:43Speaker 3: whoever we need to win for that comic book that
- 37:45Speaker 3: we're writing. That's that's who wins, is whoever we need,
- 37:48Speaker 3: whoever it makes more sense, whoever we need in the
- 37:49Speaker 3: story to win is the one who wins.
- 37:52Speaker 4: Kind of like a football game. Who's going to win,
- 37:56Speaker 4: So I don't know. It depends on the game.
- 37:57Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it depends on the circum answers.
- 38:00Speaker 3: It depends if someone's had fed, injured, or I've got a.
- 38:04Speaker 2: Roote, you know whatever.
- 38:05Speaker 1: I've never really looked at it the same way. But
- 38:07Speaker 1: when the Olympics are on a couple of weeks ago,
- 38:09Speaker 1: and like a lot of the events, especially the solo ones,
- 38:14Speaker 1: which is I guess the majority of them, so much
- 38:17Speaker 1: of it is just about whether It's not about how
- 38:20Speaker 1: like the train I guess the training helps you do this,
- 38:22Speaker 1: but it's just about whether you have it a good day.
- 38:24Speaker 1: It's not like that's why I've always hate like when
- 38:26Speaker 1: we grew up and think the way that we do.
- 38:28Speaker 2: It really hung and you're appolval.
- 38:29Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, that you can't train for We're some
- 38:32Speaker 1: some jock's mate. You want to go to gold medal.
- 38:34Speaker 1: But like when we do assessment in high school, and
- 38:37Speaker 1: it's not necessarily about what you learn, it's about how
- 38:40Speaker 1: much you can remember on one particular morning, Hey, we're
- 38:42Speaker 1: going to give you half an hour and a blank
- 38:44Speaker 1: piece of paper, answer some questions, and we're testing how
- 38:47Speaker 1: much you've remembered from the last seven weeks.
- 38:49Speaker 2: That's why cramming is so effective.
- 38:52Speaker 3: If anything, that should be an indictment of the teacher,
- 38:53Speaker 3: not the students, Like how well did I teach you
- 38:56Speaker 3: over the last seven weeks for you.
- 38:58Speaker 1: To retain this informat whole nature of how we assess,
- 39:00Speaker 1: how you learn it, how we we're teaching you. We're
- 39:04Speaker 1: trying to make you remember stuff now so that you
- 39:06Speaker 1: can remember it in six weeks and then after that, well,
- 39:08Speaker 1: if you don't remember it, that's not on us.
- 39:10Speaker 2: Because you're already learning it.
- 39:11Speaker 3: When was the last time many of us needed A
- 39:13Speaker 3: still remember how to use or B had to use
- 39:16Speaker 3: cosign and tan?
- 39:17Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean?
- 39:18Speaker 3: Oh?
- 39:19Speaker 5: Never?
- 39:19Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have like what do we have three
- 39:21Speaker 1: different levels of maths to do? And seeing I mean,
- 39:24Speaker 1: did you choose what they deemed the simplest one. It's like, yeah,
- 39:27Speaker 1: but that's all we're ever going to need. None of
- 39:28Speaker 1: us are going to go and do physics. Well, one
- 39:29Speaker 1: of us might, and they could do that math the.
- 39:31Speaker 3: Rest of us And to paraphrase Gilmore, girls, I still
- 39:34Speaker 3: don't know in my daily life where I need to
- 39:36Speaker 3: know what the internal workings of a toad. Ah and
- 39:40Speaker 3: how that how that benefits me in my day to
- 39:41Speaker 3: day life.
- 39:42Speaker 2: Yeah, we never did the toad one, No, really we
- 39:45Speaker 2: need to do.
- 39:46Speaker 3: We did the cane toad. And we also did the
- 39:49Speaker 3: cow's eye. Yes, we had like open up a cows.
- 39:53Speaker 1: We went to a and we just learned to appreciate
- 39:55Speaker 1: God's creatures, like we wouldn't do that.
- 39:58Speaker 2: To the science and behind how it works.
- 40:00Speaker 3: I remember I remember looking through the back of a
- 40:03Speaker 3: cow's eye and reading the newspaper through the cow's eye,
- 40:08Speaker 3: and it was upside down because of the way like
- 40:10Speaker 3: lenses and the eye and stuff works. So I'm like
- 40:12Speaker 3: holding this eye like it's a magnifying glass, reading the
- 40:15Speaker 3: newspaper that it was leaning on.
- 40:17Speaker 2: And yeah, it was like all this all upside down.
- 40:18Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that really weird? Perception of reality is just
- 40:21Speaker 4: based on what we our senses, which is nothing like
- 40:25Speaker 4: if you see some of those AI videos have people
- 40:28Speaker 4: morph into different things, into dogs, and then there's all
- 40:32Speaker 4: of a sudden, it's like one of those weird dreams
- 40:34Speaker 4: that you have. Yeah, it makes you wonder if if
- 40:38Speaker 4: we just perceive reality the way we perceive it because
- 40:41Speaker 4: of our biological Yeah, well, it's like whereas it could
- 40:46Speaker 4: just be chaos out there in reality.
- 40:48Speaker 2: Well, the way they.
- 40:49Speaker 1: Talk about you know, the different you know, so like
- 40:51Speaker 1: a you know, okay, what the fourth dimension is, what
- 40:54Speaker 1: a fifth dimension might be, or something like this, and
- 40:57Speaker 1: it's like, I can't, well, the idea of what was
- 41:00Speaker 1: before the Big bang? Yeah, right, there had to have
- 41:03Speaker 1: been something. There can't just be nothingness and all of
- 41:04Speaker 1: a sudden there is something. Otherwise, there was always something
- 41:06Speaker 1: had to bang, something had to create the thing that bang, right,
- 41:09Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, and that just it
- 41:10Speaker 1: is a theory. Yeah, but like that it is. But
- 41:13Speaker 1: if we're working off that theory, it's like that sort
- 41:15Speaker 1: of shit makes you brain hurt because you can't think
- 41:17Speaker 1: of like there being nothing or before everything. And it's like,
- 41:22Speaker 1: but it's only based on the idea of well, we
- 41:24Speaker 1: can only perceive it based on the senses that we
- 41:26Speaker 1: have and what we understand based so if we were
- 41:29Speaker 1: a more evolved species that is more aware or time
- 41:33Speaker 1: very much is something that they can manipulate the way
- 41:35Speaker 1: that we manipulate distance, and well.
- 41:37Speaker 3: We can't naturally perceive like the ultra violet spectrum and
- 41:39Speaker 3: that kind of thing we can't infrared that kind of stuff.
- 41:41Speaker 3: Apparently there's filters now seen on TikTok and basically it
- 41:44Speaker 3: shows like water dogs is like like much like Mitchell,
- 41:46Speaker 3: a dog can't perceive what the color purple is.
- 41:48Speaker 2: You know what my favorite superhero mat Soul makes no
- 41:58Speaker 2: sense to me.
- 42:00Speaker 3: This person is like they got all their dogs toys,
- 42:02Speaker 3: threw them all out on the yard, and even though
- 42:04Speaker 3: like we see green grass and we see a blue toy,
- 42:06Speaker 3: yellow toy, a purple toy, and orange toy, they did
- 42:09Speaker 3: through this filter and it's like, well, it's only the
- 42:12Speaker 3: blue toy that stood at in the grass in the
- 42:14Speaker 3: dog's vision, but it showed up orange or whatever against
- 42:18Speaker 3: the brown grass.
- 42:19Speaker 2: And then they went, oh, that's.
- 42:20Speaker 3: Obviously why that's the dog's favorite toys, the only one
- 42:22Speaker 3: that can actually see.
- 42:24Speaker 6: Wow.
- 42:25Speaker 3: So like perception like that is a huge thing where
- 42:27Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, like if you can't perceive it, you
- 42:29Speaker 3: can't you can't you know, yeah, you can't.
- 42:34Speaker 4: Comprehend it as mine comprehends the only inputs that it has.
- 42:38Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 42:38Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, yeah, we can only comprehend what
- 42:40Speaker 3: we can walk and see and hear and touch.
- 42:43Speaker 4: We spoke about doctor Weir and her care, her great
- 42:49Speaker 4: leadership capabilities, especially at the end of this last season.
- 42:53Speaker 3: Sarcasm noted, But I agree where she's a great leader.
- 42:57Speaker 4: Where the Wraith came and she made a do the
- 43:00Speaker 4: Wraith and they betrayed her because you know, theying Wraith and.
- 43:05Speaker 3: The Ioway like proved everything she did and agreed with
- 43:08Speaker 3: her until after the fact.
- 43:10Speaker 4: And I don't think, Well, the Iowa weren't there, so
- 43:13Speaker 4: they were she was in contact.
- 43:15Speaker 2: How could they she was contacting them, she's there anyway,
- 43:19Speaker 2: what would go back? And listen to her argument about it.
- 43:21Speaker 4: She addressed this right, and I just want to bring
- 43:24Speaker 4: it up, and I guess the point where she could
- 43:26Speaker 4: totally redeem herself.
- 43:28Speaker 2: Listen to this bit.
- 43:29Speaker 6: Michael found out about the Turn and settlement through information
- 43:32Speaker 6: the Wraith hacked from our database. Turn a brief alliance
- 43:35Speaker 6: with the last year. We led Michael straight to them.
- 43:41Speaker 3: That's ah, I mean, everybody, the Ioway agreed with her
- 43:48Speaker 3: everything she was doing with the wish that all by
- 43:50Speaker 3: herself or the no go back, go back.
- 43:54Speaker 4: There's three episodes where she up entirely and then we're
- 43:58Speaker 4: judging her based on that No and all of a sudden,
- 44:02Speaker 4: Michael has it again, says, we agreed you along the way,
- 44:09Speaker 4: we don't agree with you now, crazy ship.
- 44:12Speaker 2: She is incompetent. I hope she dies.
- 44:15Speaker 3: Well, no, I I think that's a stretch for her
- 44:25Speaker 3: to go.
- 44:26Speaker 2: That was that was a long way.
- 44:27Speaker 3: For her to go to blame herself because, like she said,
- 44:30Speaker 3: we yeah, Rodney's no bro, You're in charge cause okay, okay, well,
- 44:36Speaker 3: so so we had an alliance with them, they betrayed us,
- 44:39Speaker 3: and then they stole the information, but then Michael stole
- 44:41Speaker 3: the information from then that then allowed him because he's
- 44:44Speaker 3: smart enough to be able to figure out what to do.
- 44:45Speaker 3: It like that a long Michael thing when a lot
- 44:50Speaker 3: of them disagreed with it, especially Rona. Yeah, I agree,
- 44:53Speaker 3: but I'm just saying, just in that instance of what
- 44:55Speaker 3: you played, that's a long way she addresses for her
- 44:59Speaker 3: to try and blame herself. It's like on the actions
- 45:02Speaker 3: of another person. That's like going, Okay, well we voted
- 45:07Speaker 3: for gay marriage, but then that gay couple over there
- 45:10Speaker 3: got a divorce and because of that divorce, one of
- 45:12Speaker 3: their kids committed suicide. Are we responsible for the suicide?
- 45:16Speaker 2: No?
- 45:16Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like it's too many. I
- 45:18Speaker 3: think it's too many.
- 45:20Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it is. She's terrible
- 45:32Speaker 2: to stop.
- 45:32Speaker 4: No, you know what it's like, It's like there's a
- 45:37Speaker 4: red light and I've decided to drive through it and
- 45:39Speaker 4: smash into a family and kill them.
- 45:41Speaker 2: That is it the light's fault? Okay?
- 45:44Speaker 3: But but but but if one of the people in
- 45:51Speaker 3: that car died because they weren't wearing a seat belt
- 45:53Speaker 3: and everyone else in the car survived because they were
- 45:55Speaker 3: wearing a seatbelt, is it another person's fault for that
- 45:58Speaker 3: person not wearing a seatbelt. Yes, they're responsible for the collision,
- 46:02Speaker 3: but they're not responsible to death because that was that
- 46:04Speaker 3: person's choice not to where.
- 46:06Speaker 1: The Elizabeth unless they were a child and you're a parent,
- 46:09Speaker 1: and then yeah, it is your fault kids all the time.
- 46:12Speaker 2: I would agree, you know where you see it, belt,
- 46:13Speaker 2: I get a jail. I would agree.
- 46:15Speaker 3: But although he acts like it, Michael is not in
- 46:17Speaker 3: fact a child. You know, he's a fully grown wraith man. Yes,
- 46:19Speaker 3: fully grown wraith man.
- 46:21Speaker 2: Wraith bitch. Yeah.
- 46:22Speaker 3: I mean it's a long way to go from uh
- 46:26Speaker 3: Beckett going Well, I'm going to create a serum that's
- 46:29Speaker 3: going to quote unquote cure Wraith because I'm a racist
- 46:32Speaker 3: or a Wraith fist. And then Michael's going to take
- 46:36Speaker 3: that information and then go, well, I'm going to create
- 46:39Speaker 3: super alien bugs from that. Like that's a that's a
- 46:41Speaker 3: big stretch for Weir to be like, well, that's our fault.
- 46:45Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Oh, I have already left.
- 46:50Speaker 1: Look, we can debate it, and we will for the
- 46:52Speaker 1: next two seat or how long until she dies.
- 46:54Speaker 2: At least the next two episodes will debate about it.
- 46:57Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't mention anything about Beckett Dine and then
- 46:59Speaker 1: he dies and he joke about maybe weezy. I'm like, well,
- 47:01Speaker 1: I don't know what to believe with you too anymore.
- 47:02Speaker 3: All Right, it was just we're gonna sieg we zig. Yeah,
- 47:06Speaker 3: just what do you think we're gonna zag? It's another
- 47:08Speaker 3: Gilmore goes qute?
- 47:09Speaker 1: Actually all right, that's episode two hundred and sixty four
- 47:15Speaker 1: of Get into Gates.
- 47:17Speaker 2: Next week, guys, what's a biggie unending? We will our
- 47:22Speaker 2: episode be on ending? Will it just go for like
- 47:24Speaker 2: nine hours? Good?
- 47:26Speaker 3: The hit record and see what happened the Gilmour guys
- 47:29Speaker 3: when they did the finale of Gilmore Girls many many
- 47:32Speaker 3: years ago. It was a six hour podcast they had
- 47:34Speaker 3: to split into two three hour podcasts.
- 47:37Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
- 47:39Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be I mean maybe at the very
- 47:42Speaker 4: end we might have a huge discussion like we do
- 47:45Speaker 4: with mail bags.
- 47:45Speaker 2: But like you're on it for an hour and yeah,
- 47:48Speaker 2: let's do it. See what happens. Send sending your unending Yeah,
- 47:52Speaker 2: send it sunder Damn. I'm going to be busy.
- 47:56Speaker 3: Get into Gate, Get into the Gate Stargate podcast.
- 48:04Speaker 2: Get into it now before it's too late.