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Patriots Unfiltered 8/20: Positional Battle Updates, O-Line Concerns, Drake Maye's Progress · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right? So we have a lot to talk about. Walls,
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  Speaker 2: fantastic Patriots have been practicing, We've had a game since
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  Speaker 2: our last noontime show here. Uh So, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to discuss. Uh. Topic number one I
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  Speaker 2: would say has to be Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think, in my opinion, he's been doing well. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he's been doing well enough to the point
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  Speaker 2: where I could say he is head and shoulders of
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  Speaker 2: of Jacoby.
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  Speaker 7: Prise us term. If he goes out and lights it up,
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  Speaker 7: then maybe we'll have a different conversation. I don't think
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  Speaker 7: he's gone out and lived up now. He has definitely played,
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  Speaker 7: but better with each passing day.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that the criticism that everybody's had is
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  Speaker 2: that he hasn't been given the opportunity to light it
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  Speaker 2: up with the people that he should be lighting it
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  Speaker 2: up with. And I think that's a fair argument. I
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  Speaker 2: really do.
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  Speaker 4: I do too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what does everyone else think?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been disappointed, but maybe that's selfishly disappointed because
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  Speaker 6: I want to see it before they close the doors.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't know how much of it is that
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  Speaker 6: you know, this would cause a start. If we get
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  Speaker 6: out there and practice tomorrow and Drake may is the
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  Speaker 6: first quarterback up with David Andrews in the starting offensive line,
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  Speaker 6: that's going to be a major story in a major shakeup.
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  Speaker 6: So they have three more practices that are open to
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  Speaker 6: the media. They have a week next week where they'll
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  Speaker 6: probably do some stuff to prep for the Bengals, but
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  Speaker 6: aren't going to be full game week yet. Maybe next
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  Speaker 6: week is the week behind closed doors that they start
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  Speaker 6: to give him some looks with the starting offense.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like you can't use the offensive line
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  Speaker 5: solely as a crutch. Yes, it needs work, and we've
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  Speaker 5: seen them rotating guys in and out throughout practice this
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  Speaker 5: week after that Thursday night preseason game, but guys have
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  Speaker 5: played against played behind bad offensive line. Stroe Burrow had
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  Speaker 5: to do it his rookie year, so I think you
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  Speaker 5: can't use it as a crutch. But I would like
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  Speaker 5: to see him get some reps with the ones.
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  Speaker 2: Is it too late or is there still a chance
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  Speaker 2: that he could do something that would make the coaches say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Drake May has to start Week one.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's too late. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 6: too late because they're all running the same plays, Like,
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  Speaker 6: even though he's not running with the top offense necessarily,
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  Speaker 6: they're all running the same playbook. So it's not like
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  Speaker 6: he's going to be thrown into a completely different playbook
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  Speaker 6: once he gets up with the first team offense. I
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  Speaker 6: just the one thing I would say about Drake May
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  Speaker 6: and where we're at with the whole thing, is that
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  Speaker 6: I'm not ready to do any victory lapse just yet.
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  Speaker 6: Too early for that. We haven't played a regular season
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  Speaker 6: game yet. But all the comment commentary before the draft
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  Speaker 6: that he was gonna have to sit for an entire year.
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  Speaker 6: Some people are saying he might even need to sit
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  Speaker 6: for two years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, yeah, but that's that's very few and.
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  Speaker 6: Far no, no, no, the one year was not few
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  Speaker 6: and far between. That was a lot of people that
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  Speaker 6: said he needed a red shirt season. A lot of
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  Speaker 6: people's right. And we're at the point now where I'll
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  Speaker 6: take apologies because he's gonna play as a rookie.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 7: He'sature, he's gonna know, but he's gonna play as a rookie.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that he's gonna it's gonna be an
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  Speaker 6: m VP still, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still saying he's going to start against the Bengals.
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  Speaker 5: So I think that you can be somewhere in the middle.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that c. J. Stroud is an outlier
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  Speaker 5: and that he's the only rookie that can go out
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  Speaker 5: there and start for his team and look good. And
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  Speaker 5: I also don't think that you need to be Jordan
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  Speaker 5: Love and sit for two years before you can put
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  Speaker 5: him out there. So well, so you can get we're
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of that.
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  Speaker 2: Great, But if Aaron Rodgers was our quarterback, he would
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  Speaker 2: be sitting for two years. That's the point. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the Packers had not the Packers. Yeah, the Packers had
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and he was still playing well and there
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  Speaker 2: was no reason to play Jordan Love. That's a totally
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  Speaker 2: different situation that the Patriots have right now and that
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  Speaker 2: Houston had last year, if you know, so it's not
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  Speaker 2: a fair comparison. You know, same with Steve Young and
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  Speaker 2: Joe Montana and you know, you know, go down the list.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's entirely different. Steve Young wasn't a rookie, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they brought him over from another league.
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  Speaker 5: I do like how Jerd Mayo and his team have
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  Speaker 5: a plan. They have a developmental plan for Drake May,
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  Speaker 5: but they also are flexible with that plan. So if
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  Speaker 5: Drake May comes out there and he has lights out
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday, then Drake May has the opportunity to be
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  Speaker 5: the starter. But I do think there's been a shift
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  Speaker 5: from July twenty third, Jacoby is our starter, He's the
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  Speaker 5: most pro ready to August nineteenth, we don't know who
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  Speaker 5: our starter is week one.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think he said he knew his starter of
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  Speaker 7: week one on July nineteenth. He said, our starter on
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  Speaker 7: July nineteenth is Jacoby Brissett. Yeah, he didn't say.
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  Speaker 5: Well now he's not saying now he's saying we don't
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  Speaker 5: know our starter week one.
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  Speaker 7: He knows the starter today. I mean, all you have
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  Speaker 7: to do is watch practice. You know who the starter
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  Speaker 7: is right now.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say that guy hasn't looked that great
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  Speaker 5: a practice in the past couple of days. Drake May
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  Speaker 5: has looked better than him in practice, but unless but.
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  Speaker 4: Not in camp in general.
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  Speaker 2: But unless the Patriots start their starters against the Commanders
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  Speaker 2: and Drake May's allowed to be the quarterback and the
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  Speaker 2: Commanders have their starters out, can the coaches be definitive that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Drake May's ready. Like if he goes out there with
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  Speaker 2: our starters against their scrubs, what's that proving? Well?
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  Speaker 4: What if he just starts?
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  Speaker 7: Like you know, Evan, I think made the point about
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  Speaker 7: who he's playing with right like in practice, if that changes,
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  Speaker 7: like every single day practice, every single rack, it's been like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I don't really care about the game. I know, I'm
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  Speaker 7: very consistent about this. Preseason games tell me absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 7: But in practice, if he starts, you know, going ahead
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  Speaker 7: of Jacoby Brissett, that's when I will change my tune
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  Speaker 7: and say they're thinking long and hard about week one,
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  Speaker 7: it could be Drake May. If that doesn't happen in practice,
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  Speaker 7: then it's not gonna. I don't think just magically happened
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  Speaker 7: in week one.
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  Speaker 5: I do like how in yesterday's practice though he did
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  Speaker 5: get some of the starting offensive line, he got like
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  Speaker 5: two or three guys.
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  Speaker 7: From the starting Now I'm wondering what the offensive line is.
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  Speaker 7: How much of that is because they want the rookies
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  Speaker 7: they think are ascending, and how much of that is.
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  Speaker 6: Starting the starting offensive line is taking snaps from David Andrews.
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  Speaker 6: Until he does that in an actual live setting. Now,
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  Speaker 6: he did it on Sunday. I think it was all
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  Speaker 6: these days are melting together Sunday in it, but it
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  Speaker 6: was a walk through period. It was the very end
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  Speaker 6: of practice and it wasn't live. So until he takes
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  Speaker 6: snaps from David Andrews live in eleven on elevens, he
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  Speaker 6: not taken any starter reps and so he hasn't done
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  Speaker 6: that yet, and maybe that that does mean week one
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  Speaker 6: is lofty at this point. I just look at it
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  Speaker 6: and I think this is becoming a very popular take
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  Speaker 6: that let's get through the first month of the season.
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  Speaker 6: What Jacobyber said, Well, there's some tough games in the
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  Speaker 6: first month of that scheduled Niners at Jets on prime time,
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  Speaker 6: opening against the Bengals. Let's get through that first month,
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  Speaker 6: Let's see what the offensive line looks like, Let's see
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  Speaker 6: what the receivers look like. And then Week five against
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  Speaker 6: Miami here at home, where there's a couple of home
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  Speaker 6: games in a row after that seems like a nice
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  Speaker 6: sweet spot for Jacoba.
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  Speaker 2: That's looking like the most likely outcome here, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm still holding out hope.
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  Speaker 4: If we have a point you started to make, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I probably and I just lost train of.
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  Speaker 5: Thought, honestly, Like, I feel like he could get those
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  Speaker 5: reps ones we're not out of practice for the full
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  Speaker 5: two hours.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely possible, right, Absolutely a possibility, And.
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  Speaker 7: I just want friend, like, at what point where you say, okay,
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  Speaker 7: I no longer think it's a possibility.
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  Speaker 4: Is if he makes an announcement.
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  Speaker 2: Sunday morning at you know o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think that May was going to make an announcement.
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  Speaker 2: At some point he said he was okay.
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  Speaker 7: I think at some point he's going to say, Jacoby
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  Speaker 7: Brissetts our starter week one. And it's not just going
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  Speaker 7: to be like once, as Tamara said, once we're no
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  Speaker 7: longer allowed.
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  Speaker 4: To watch practice. Yeah, they're going to tell you who.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're going to to announce it the way
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  Speaker 4: everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: It's this whole thing of like that Gerard said after
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  Speaker 2: the game on Thursday. You know, it's an open competition
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  Speaker 2: at all positions, including the quarterback. It's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: different a quarterback. This is we're in a holding pattern.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a competition. It's we're waiting until Drake May
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  Speaker 2: is ready.
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  Speaker 4: And that, to me, you better not be.
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  Speaker 2: A competition because then you wasted a third round pick.
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  Speaker 4: That to me is is the the number three overall pick.
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  Speaker 4: You mean, what did I say, third round?
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  Speaker 7: I know overall just wanted to I knew what you meant,
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  Speaker 7: but that that's to me all this comes down to it.
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  Speaker 7: There's a lot of talk about and when I talk
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  Speaker 7: about this, it sounds so disrespectful, and I don't mean
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  Speaker 7: it to be, but there's a lot of talk about
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  Speaker 7: Brissette and how he's sort of he's slipped now. I
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  Speaker 7: thought he had a good day yesterday. I thought that
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  Speaker 7: was kind of you know, we don't talk about underreported stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I thought Brissette threw the ball really well yesterday. The
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  Speaker 7: bomb to Taekwon Thornton was perfect. I thought he was
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  Speaker 7: good yesterday. He has not played well for I would
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  Speaker 7: say the last five or six days.
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  Speaker 2: But he was terrible day.
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  Speaker 7: He was terrible in the game against the Eagles. He
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  Speaker 7: got away with more bad plays than the one that
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  Speaker 7: everybody talks about. I thought he had Austin Hooper on
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  Speaker 7: the first third down. I thought he panicked in the
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  Speaker 7: pocket with a guy hanging on his leg and threw
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  Speaker 7: a ball up for grabs in the middle. Later and
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  Speaker 7: then obviously the pick in the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: He did this in between yesterday he was it was different, yes, sir,
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  Speaker 2: and he's got it on. But yet he was scrambling
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  Speaker 2: around and then he threw a pass without getting.
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  Speaker 7: But point, my point was more about it. To me,
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  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter what Jacoby Brissett does. If anybody entering
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  Speaker 7: training camp had any doubt as to who the better
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  Speaker 7: player is, Drake May or Jacoby Brissett, I don't think
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  Speaker 7: you're doing it right. I don't think you're watching. That's
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  Speaker 7: not what's in question here. The only question here to me,
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  Speaker 7: and I think with Girod Mayo and Alex van Pelt,
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  Speaker 7: is at what point do we feel mentally from a
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  Speaker 7: development standpoint, Drake May is ready to play right now.
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  Speaker 7: Jacoby Brissett can go on an NFL field and run
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  Speaker 7: an NFL offense. I don't think he could do it
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  Speaker 7: as well as Drake May can. If May had all
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  Speaker 7: of the mental capacity to do it. I don't think
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  Speaker 7: anybody would argue from a physical stampo.
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  Speaker 4: So I think people.
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  Speaker 7: Say, well, what if he throws picks, so well, that
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  Speaker 7: stinks that Brissett's throwing picks.
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  Speaker 4: It's stinks.
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  Speaker 7: But if the other kid's not ready, you can't just
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  Speaker 7: put them in because your guys throwing picks.
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  Speaker 2: But by the way, I don't care if Drake may
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  Speaker 2: Go's in and throws picks.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not my point.
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  Speaker 7: If they feel like he's ready, then I can live
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  Speaker 7: with him throwing thirty picks if they feel like he's
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  Speaker 7: ready and he's learning. If he's not ready, he's not
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  Speaker 7: going to learn. That to me is what they're wrestling with.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think this has much to do with Jacoby Brissett,
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  Speaker 7: and it's sort of like it's an exaggeration of what
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  Speaker 7: Evan said on one of our first podcasts when you
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  Speaker 7: said I don't really care about Jacoby Brissette, and I
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  Speaker 7: know he came off really like, but I know what arrogantly.
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  Speaker 7: I know exactly what Evan was talking about, and I
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  Speaker 7: feel exactly the same way I did that day. Now,
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  Speaker 7: Brissette was pretty solid most of the time. Now he
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  Speaker 7: hasn't been pretty solid. It doesn't matter to me. It's
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  Speaker 7: all about where May is mentally.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: Because it can't matter how good or bad Jacoby Brissette is.
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  Speaker 2: When Drake May is ready, he will.
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  Speaker 6: Play point where it's not about Drake May being ready,
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  Speaker 6: because I think Drake May is ready. I thought he
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  Speaker 6: was readily. I thought he was ready to well. I
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  Speaker 6: think when we got into the game, he looked calm,
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  Speaker 6: he looked poised, he looked his composure was good in
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  Speaker 6: the pocket. And the one thing that I was really
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  Speaker 6: waiting to see when we got into a live game
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  Speaker 6: setting was his mobility and the ability to scramble, extend
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  Speaker 6: plays out of structure, all that kind of stuff. And
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  Speaker 6: he's got that ability to do that, at least what
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  Speaker 6: we saw on the game in Thursday night. So all
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  Speaker 6: those things tell me that is every throw going to
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  Speaker 6: be on time? And is every read going to be
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  Speaker 6: perfect and all that kind of stuff. No, but I
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  Speaker 6: think that he's got enough of the baseline physical traits
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  Speaker 6: that he can survive for now in that setting. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: so many quarterbacks have told us that year one rookie
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  Speaker 6: season they don't know how to read defenses, they're not
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  Speaker 6: getting the ball out with anticipation and you know, reading
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  Speaker 6: things out like a Tom Brady would or something like
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  Speaker 6: that at their processing speed. And they all just survived
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  Speaker 6: on god gift. God's given gifts. So let me ask
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  Speaker 6: you a question.
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  Speaker 2: Elliott Will spoke. Elliott Will spoke on Sunday and he
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  Speaker 2: mentioned it was good to see Drake May go out
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  Speaker 2: there and just play and and oh, I think Matt's
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  Speaker 2: working on the speaker. It's working now. You know. It
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  Speaker 2: was good to see him just play with some freedom
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  Speaker 2: and just be himself and and all that stuff. Do
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  Speaker 2: you think that's a Drake May thing? Or was Elliott
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  Speaker 2: Wolf kind of that was kind of not a dig,
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  Speaker 2: but just addressing like some coaching that he's seen that
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to make him too perfect, because he said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's good to see him not out there
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  Speaker 2: always trying to just be perfect. Is that was that
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  Speaker 2: Drake May trying to be perfect? Were that the coaches
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  Speaker 2: keeping a short leash on him?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I think it's difficult, you know. I
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  Speaker 6: asked Drake May about this a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 6: and he said it's difficult to emulate his playing style
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  Speaker 6: in practice because he's in the red on contact jersey.
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  Speaker 6: They're trying to get him to run plays like they're
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  Speaker 6: scripted and like they're designed to be run, and his
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  Speaker 6: improvisational skill is not really something that they're asking him
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  Speaker 6: to do in a practice setting. They don't want him
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  Speaker 6: to be working on that kind of stuff in practice necessarily.
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  Speaker 6: So when we got into the game last Thursday night
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  Speaker 6: and you saw some of that, I said, Okay, this
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  Speaker 6: is what I've been waiting to see, is when he
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  Speaker 6: can move around back there a little bit and he
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  Speaker 6: can buy himself time and he can maneuver in the pocket.
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  Speaker 6: You know, how does it look when all those things
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  Speaker 6: are at his disposal and he's not just sitting back
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  Speaker 6: there like a sitting duck on a third and ten
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  Speaker 6: in practice with a red jersey on, And it looks
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  Speaker 6: so much better to me watching him in that.
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  Speaker 7: So I would say I don't necessarily take it as
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  Speaker 7: like Elliot Wolf was taking a shot at the coaches,
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  Speaker 7: But I do think they went out of their way
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: to change some of the things they asked him to do,
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: and they gave him some things that he was more
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: comfortable doing, he was best suited for they talked about
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: some things that he had done it North Carolina, and
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: I don't know if that's going to always be the case.
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know if they're going to change the offense
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: to better suit him. But I think that's why he
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: looked more comfortable. He looked awful two days earlier. I mean,
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: he looked like Brissett in May. Both were overwhelmed.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: They could.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: He couldn't block. But if it wasn't the only thing
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: that was going wrong, maybe that was the main thing.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: It was the main thing.
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: Yes, but they were making bad reads, bad froze, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: for whatever it's worth. Drake himself talked to us the
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: next day in the production meeting about a lot of
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: the checkdowns.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: That he did. The only completions that they.
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: Had were checkdowns, and he was really kicking himself for
• 16:44
  Speaker 7: accepting the checkdown too easily and not reading it through
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: and being more patient and going through his progression. And
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: then sure enough, the first third down on Thursday night
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: was that play that everybody's talking about in the indcut
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: to Baker with Poulk underneath. In practice, he was throwing
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: that to Polk for nothing, for like three yards. The
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: throw to Baker was a bigger play, and he sort
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: of let it happen and let it come through. Now
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: the skeptic would automatically say, well, yeah, it's a little
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: easier to do that when you know Jalen Carter and
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: Jordan Davis weren't in his lap right the way they
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: were on Thursday, because those guys didn't play in the
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: in the game and the way they were on Tuesday,
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: they didn't play on Thursday.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I think that he is.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: I think he looked more comfortable in the game because
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: they asked him to do different things to Evan's point,
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: than they were asking him to do in practice, well,
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: like trying to be scripted and pert and run the
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: play exactly the way it's designed.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: And when he's in the game he can get out
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: of dodge ye Like he's sitting back there and practice
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: in the pocket and he's trying to read things out
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: as quickly as he possibly can, and that's just it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: not his game. Like his game is the fact that
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: he's got extremely gifted physical tools and he's an improv.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: He's an improv and that's good.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: But that said, I'm going to now play the side
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: of the coaches. I don't want him improvising on every play.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see one two, three step drop, get
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the ball out where it's supposed to go or you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: uh so, And.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: I don't want him going out there like, you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: to Evan's point, like I think he has a physical
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: skill set that's really really good. I don't want him
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: going out there and quote surviving.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Right, I want him that means things are breaking down.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: You know. I want because I know he can he
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: can get.
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think that if he's not ready to
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: sort of understand where pressure is going to come from
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: and things like that. And this is why I say
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: I don't care about what happens in the games, Like
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: please don't confuse anything you saw that the Eagles did
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: in that game with what he's going to really see
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: when it's when it's real, you know, like it's it's.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Just going to be night and day.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean, the players will be better. But
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: they actually ran some pretty exotic third down coverages against
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: him in the game that he handled well. I mean
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: the plate to Baker that a Baker drops the ball,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: but that that's a Fangio, Yeah, that's a Fangio coverage.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: That's a pretty exotic coverage for preseason. But my point
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: is more not that he's going to always play off script,
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: but the fact that he knows he can play off script.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: It just it brought such a calmness to him that
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I did not see in practice, because I feel like
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: in his head mentally, he's like, all right, well, I'm
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: going to go through the reads, but if nobody's open
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: or I don't feel good about it or whatever, then
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I have this in my back pocket, Whereas in practice
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: that's not really the goal of the play, right, is
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: to do that kind of stuff. I felt that that
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: his poise, in his calmness, was because he knew if
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: I have to scramble because I don't like it, I'll scramble,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And that's why a.
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: Big, big picture, that's what I'm so excited about it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: And really physically he can do stuff.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I feel like he's only going to continue to get
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: better as he gets more reps. I feel like as
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: the game went on Thursday, he got better. And I
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: feel like in practice when especially yesterday, we saw like
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: three plays and eleven to eleven switch quarterbacks. Three plays
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: and eleven eleven switch quarterbacks whereas like in a game,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: he's out there for the rhythm. Yes, versus three plays
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: where two of them are outside zone, and then in
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: the game you can actually see him actually read the
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: offense and stuff.
• 20:16
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• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Can you guys hear me now?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you're good? All right, we can hear Matt,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: so we can take calls, we can do everything, all right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Quarterback situation.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: So I think we're all in agreement. We're excited about Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: He's headed in the right direction.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Keeping I'm really hoping that if we are watching a
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Sunday eight pm preseason game, then we're going to see
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: a lot of Drake May. Because if we don't see
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of him, I'm going to be one very
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: disappointed to probably very bored. But I think Sunday is
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: a great opportunity for him.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, hopefully they play a little bit of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the starters with him.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: You know, I hope more than a little bit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Because you know, you're going to see Poke and you're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: going to see Baker because they're they're rookies. But I'm
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: talking about you know, I think everybody to see the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: starting or we're going to see David Andrews. Are we
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: gonna you know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: See, I'm all set David Andrews very important player, like.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Anybody else can said.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: You wanted to see Drake May with David Andrews though,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: but not in practice. You don't want to see.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Him in the game, No, because I don't want David
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Andrews getting hurt in the third preseason game.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: I was a little surprised they're so willing to play.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: Like Girod said it again, we should probably let the
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: listeners know. Some people don't follow everything he said, like
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: he did before the first preseason game, all healthy players
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: will play.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like David Andrews, Mike on when who pop Douglass
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: from Andre Stevenson, I'll see you in Cincinnati. Like I
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: have no desire to see those guys.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: I would agree with Evan on that I don't.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But but Gerard is saying all healthy play.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Healthy players will play. Now in the first game, a
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: lot of those guys ended up playing four plays.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean even last week he said the same thing,
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: and Kyle Duggart, Jabriel Peppers, Juwan Bentley, those guys ended
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: up playing. Now he said that some of those guys
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: have some bumps and bruises.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: He said some of them earned it too.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: But he said some of them earned it too. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: just I don't need to see it in the game with.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So, you know, this is a little bit of inside
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: baseball here. But at some point they want to get
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: get prepared for playing a regular game. And I know
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Bill used to always, you know, when we weren't able
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to watch, he bring the players into the stadium and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: they go through that like what's what's halftime, like what's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you know, just just to get into the rhythm of
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that on the field. But we have a lot of
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: concerts going on, and I know that we've got Kenny
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Chesney and Zach Brown band that ends on Sunday. But
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: now there's two days of where the field's not available
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: after that. I wonder if you know what they're going
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to do to get prepared.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Did say that they have been in the stadium.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I think you said that about a
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: week ago or so.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe, but they also had two games. They did play
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: two preseason games. Okay, you know in the stadium. This
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I think they're they're trying to use as like the
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: first road game, you know, that whole routine.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: It does sound pretty important to them that it's the
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: first road game.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And then uh, all those procedures cutdowns are Tuesday.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Tuesday.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, you get the locker room back,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you know, because right now they have the you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: we haven't been in there, but normally during training camp
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: they've got all those extra lockers set up down the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: middle of the locker room to accommodate all the extra players.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: You get that cleared out. It's you know, once you
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: get your team, you're fifty three plus your practice squad,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: then you know, you want to get start getting ready
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the way you would on game day and during the week.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Crowded in there. We've been in there after the game.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: So after the games, you've been in there.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: The big blue metal lockers in the middle.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: No, they're off in the corner. Everyone's in cramped.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: People have like the little alleyway there. That's like we're
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: all like the late round rookies u DFAs, they all
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: have split lockers back there. They might be using an
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: auxiliary room honestly for some of the other spillover. But yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: it's it's it's always a little crowd.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but at some point, like I said, once this
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: last preseason games over and they make their cuts, then
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: they want to get into their routine.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, awesome move guys like guys that make
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: the fifty three man roster will now be moved to
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: their position groups and then like guys that are on
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: the practice squad will take those lockers in the in
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: the corner. So that that always changes too. Like I
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: can't think of a rookie off the top of my
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: head right now, but a rookie that makes the fifty three,
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: that's a let's say he's the defensive back, so he'll
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: go move next to John.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: You have any other concerts after Sunday? Is that? Where's that?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: The last one?
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: No?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think we have one in September.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I think. I don't know.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But this is what they were talking about. This is
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: why they wanted their own facility, and from what I understand,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in two years they will they'll have their own facility.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: So there you go, all right? Eight five five past
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: five hundred. Is the ACE ticket hotline, web radio at
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: pages dot com. Is the email address? The last concert
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: on Sunday?
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: The PLL is in September.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's that's not a heavy impact like a concert.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It's amazing what they do at these concerts, how they
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: put those stages together.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: And the Metallica one was insane.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy how they do that in such short order.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones the ACE ticket outline.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Todd, North Carolina. What's up, Todd?
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I got two related questions and it's just
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: rank it on a scale one to ten. How do
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: you feel that Mayo and will prepare for this season
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: up to this point? And how do you feel like
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: they prepared for the future, you know, with training judea
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: On and releasing Juju and all.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: The rest of it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: And then I'll take the answer up there.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: Thanks.
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: I love the show.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: How have they prepared for the season, and how have
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they prepared for the future. Well, I think number one,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: they drafted Drake May So that's a pretty good future move.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Yep, the future seems like it. It's bright.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Certainly the Judon trade was made for the future. Yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: they get a pick next year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I would say my biggest concern that if I was
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: rating this on a scale of one to ten, I
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: would probably be it like a five or six, is
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: because of the offensive line, and you really didn't address it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: And I talked to you about this yesterday, Fred. I
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: feel like they took an approach and took the equate
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: version of getting an offensive line put together. When I
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: need you to go out and get like an actual
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: luxury offensive line. You need to protect your young quarterback
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: after your draft a quarterback, you need to protect him,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: and then also you need to get him some shiny toys.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Obviously they tried. They tried to go after Ayuk. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: get it. It didn't work. Out in their favor. But
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I just it's a five for me at a scale
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: at one through ten.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, their left tackle situation is a second guess, there's
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: no doubt about it. But the way that you get
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: players that you're talking about on the offensive line, especially
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: at left tackle. It was Drake may Or, it was
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: the left tackle, Like, you weren't gonna get that caliber
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: of left tackle on day two of the draft. Now
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: maybe you get lucky and Kayden Wallace is that guy
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: and you kind of hit on more of a lottery
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: ticket type of pick. But it's that's the one thing
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: I'll give the is that getting a left tackle of
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: that caliber when you had premium needs at quarterback and
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: receiver also all in one off season, something was going
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: to have to wait till next off season, right, something
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: like something was going to have to weigh.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: That was that was the argument for trading down, is that, oh,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you can get all these other things, you know, but listen,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'll give them a six on your scale, a little
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: bit higher than you. I think you can second guess
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the judon timing. You know, Oh, if you had traded
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: in it before the draft, maybe you've got more. But
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: how many could you really have gotten a second If anything,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the only difference is you had would have had a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: draft pick you could use this year.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: That's the bigger thing to me.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think if you did it before the draft,
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: you could have gotten something to help you this year, absolutely,
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: or use that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: You know, they were in conversations to trade up back
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: into the first round for maybe a tackle or a
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: receiver the end of the first round. Now, if you
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: have an extra day to pick because of Jude On
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: being traded, now you don't feel so bad about parting
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: ways with one of those picks.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people say, oh, they should have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: known that he was never going to play here. I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: think they honestly were holding out hope that maybe he
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: would play. And obviously this defense is better with Jude
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: on them without it, you know. So like man, if
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: he could have played this year, if they could have
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: worked something out, I think that would have been good.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I think that's a second year.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And if you don't care about this year, then you're
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: happy with the third round.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: I'm not getting a you know, the tackle situation to
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: me as a legit second guest too, because Evan's right,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: you knew going into the draft that you had to
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: take the quarterback at three, So that meant to me
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: you needed to have more urgency and free agency to
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: find a tackle who had left tackle experience, not just
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: a tackle like Chokes a Chors four.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And it's not his fault that he's only played right tackle,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: I think that they really legitimately felt, and maybe I'm
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: reading too much into this, I think they legitimately felt
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: that a Corps four and K Wallace, one of those
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: two would be able to play left tackle.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I think they were hoping that's a miss.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: That's a miss, Like, I don't know how you can
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: go in and assume guys that have only played on
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: one side can absolutely make the transition if it happens.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: It's what Evan says, it's a lottery ticket. If Cayden
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Wallace ends up being a really good left tackle, that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: a lottery ticket.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: That's to give him a little bit more credit.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: That's good fortune.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: And right now it seems like they've already decided that
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: that's not going to happen this year for either one
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: of those guys, So that to me is a legit
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: second guess. I don't know who it was. Maybe Tyron
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: Smith or Jonah Winz. Maybe those guys had no interest
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: in signing with you. As far as I know, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: haven't seen any reports to indicate that the Patriots had
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: any interest in those guys. And I think that's a miss.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think, you know, with Jonah Williams, and you
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: could make the argument that they did this with Cheops anyway,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: so it doesn't really matter. But Jonah Williams at this
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: stage of his career is a right.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Tackle, sure, but he just there had to be somebody
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: that's played in the league that's played left tackle. Yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I he decided we're going to take someone who's played
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: in the league at right tackle and make him a
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: left tackle.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But who was that person?
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: I think the second Guestron Smith are the guy. Yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Tyron Smith is one.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I has he even played yet? I mean, like, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: know they're managing him.
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: Heavily, but played like in preseason games now, no one
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: plays in preseason games.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: He's been practicing, I think, but he's been practicing. Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: I mean there's guys available now, you know, listen.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I love Tyron Smith, but I mean I don't know.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: He may not have wanted to sign here. Yeah, Like
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I'm not telling you that that's the guy that I
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: had to like. I'm going to bang the table and say,
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: you blew it. You didn't get him. I'm saying, there's
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: somebody who played left tackle that you could have signed,
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: and they chose to sign the right tack.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: There weren't a lot of names Tyron Smith.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: There are names that are offensive lineman.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Tyron Smith was the one guy. He was the one
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: guy that had was a true left tackle with experience
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: playing left tackle in the NFL. I don't know if
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: they went after him aggressively. I don't believe they went
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: after Jonah Williams aggressively. I know, I don't know about
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Tyron Smith.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think they were interested in either one.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, but why do you think that is?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Because I haven't heard one thing, and I heard a thing.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: If it's true, why do you think they weren't interested.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: I think that the price point for the quality of
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: player that they felt like they.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Were going to win it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Smith getting ten, No, well he's getting fifteen. He wasn't
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: going to come here for that. They were going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: have to pay him real money to come here.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: I think he wanted to play with Aaron Rodgers. But yeah,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: I think that why what were they you know, why
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: weren't they interested? I think they legitimately felt like we
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: we can just make these guys left tackles. And that's
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: why I think that's a legit second guess.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now you have a guy in Vederian Lowe
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: who you're hoping can make this.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: Even more real.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Leap from what we saw last year, and it's evidently
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: the ability to use his hands that he never had
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: before is transformed.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Into the usually a GM does it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Like I can just tell that, like I know, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: I tell Evan this all the time.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: You know, I know nothing, Like it's not my thing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Like I just know when a guy can't block, when
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: a guy gets around him, I say he missed his block.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: I'm not a big offensive line guru, but I can
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: tell you my son's played offensive line pretty.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Much his entire football career. And he's a senior in night.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: School and he has hit me with his hand in
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: the chest about nine thousand times, just when I walk by,
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: he gets.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Into a step slide and pops me.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Okay, So the fact that an NFL player didn't know
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: that you could strike someone with a hand.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: It's kind of troubling to me.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: He didn't know that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: No, he says he didn't do it because the first
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: time he's ever been taught. He said that specifically, he said,
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: I've never had a coach that teaches that taught this strike.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: This strike systems.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Like I just can't believe.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That that's different than using your hand.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: It's the hand that's the strike. I know that's what
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: But Stop Peters has a system. I mean, we don't
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: have to go into the minutia of it all.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: It's a system, but it's a system of being a
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: hard ow and push ups on the field.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: On Vederian Lowe has eighty eighth percentile arm length. His
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: arms are thirty five inches long, which is extremely long
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: for an NFL offensive tackle. So he's got good length
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: and he has improved in that area of his game.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: I think he's more balanced now and he's using his
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: length better to keep guys at his fingertips. But his
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: issue to me is that he has these quick losses
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: where he just loses his technique and loses with less
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: than two and a half seconds of the ball being snapped.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: That you just can't have, like That's how you get
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: your quarterback killed, right if you give the quarterback, you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: the sack that they had in the game that everybody's
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: picking him on him. That took four point two seconds
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: for Nolan Smith to get off the chip, beat Vederia
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: and load of the inside and then sack Drake May.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: The ball's got to get out, like, you can't hold
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: the ball for that long in this league. So to me,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: I put that sack more on Drake May than I
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: do on the left tackle. Now, the chip wasn't executed well.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: But I put it on miscommunication. Yes, I don't think
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: he knew the chip was coming, and that was one
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: of those things. I think he had him. I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: he was in good position.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then Kevin Harris hit him, sort of knocked
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: him right off of his set, right, Yeah, And I
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: don't think that he knew that that chip was coming. Now,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: you could argue that it was Low's fault he should
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: have known the chip was coming, or you could say
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Harris wasn't supposed to hit him.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one of those two things is true.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But it just that those types of plays to me,
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: are not the concern because if it's a miscommunication on
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: the chip. They'll get that cleaned up right and they
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: won't have those issues hopefully moving forward. If Drake may
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: gets the ball out quicker, then it's a non factor
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: that they miscommunicated on the chip. So I still feel
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: like Vederian Lowe has gotten a lot better. Now that
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: doesn't mean he's Joe Thomas, but he's he has improved
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: and maybe the strike system.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Well, Listen, I think a lot of the problems last
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: year was coaching or lack of and maybe a little
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: bit better coaching will help guys like Vederian Lowe. You know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't don't disregard coaching.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not disregarding coaching.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: They have to survive the season at that position, all right.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: So let's a talk quarterback. We talked offensive line. The
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: other part that's key for this offense is the wide
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: receiver room. Shuster's gone, so I think that's additioned by subtraction.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it clears up some of the questions. But
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this little surge I think that Thornton's making does that
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: kind of muddy the waters for you guys in terms
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of who's gonna make it on this team.
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: Oh, I had him on anyways, but I was maybe
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: in a little bit of a minority with that. But
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: the big reason why I've had him on this whole
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: time is because in this offense that they want to
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: run with Van Pel, somebody's got to take the top
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: off the defense, Like there has to be somebody that
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: can run down the field and either went on the
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: go route that we saw and went on yesterday in practice,
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: or occupy the deep safety or something along those lines.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: If you don't have that element in this offense, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: it's really comes apart and nobody on this team, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: I granted I understand that that is an indictment on
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: the roster at receiver, but nobody on this team is
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: a better field stretcher than Taekwon Thort.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So my only want to move fast, draft fast play.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: He's the best vertical threat they have.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: My only problem with that and needing someone to take
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: the top off the defense and occupy them. He too
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: many times has stopped running his routes or he's not
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: running fast enough full speed he's running, and it's very
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: obvious that he is the decoy and the ball is
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: not coming to him. That's my biggest issue with him
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: and Also, his productivity in practice is not transcending over
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: the games because he's not staying healthy. So when I
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: see Taekwon stay healthy and actually producing a game and
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: actually be that great decoy, then I'm all about.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: It, play it very much for this season game. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: hear you, though, I don't need to see what he
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: can do. I need to play.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But I'm know I'm saying when he does play
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: in games, he's hurt.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Like Douglas history history.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: Is not that great, so I need to If he's
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: going to get hurt, that's different. But like I think
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: he's been probably their sacon. I would say Douglas has
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: been the best receiver, but I think he's been the
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: second best receiver in he.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Camp, and I hope that translates over into Week one.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I think Polk has been the second best.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't even I'm not ready for that conversation.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't even have him. I think in that conversation.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Wide receivers right now, with how bad the tight end
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: room is and how thin it is, Like, is there
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: any warrior concern with what's happening with Hunter? Henry Mitchell?
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Willcock a great one.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: I want to I want to get your guys opinion,
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Gerrod Mayo yesterday, So Hunter Henry's been out for a week.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Uh. Mayo has said.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: In the past that it's not considered to be a
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: long term thing. He kind of indicated on w E
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: I in his first appearance yesterday in Patriots Monday here.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Locally that he.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: How did he put it, He expected him to be
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: ready for the start of the season, something like that,
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: and that was kind of a departure to what he's
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: been talking. So he was asked to follow up yesterday
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: in a regular before practice, the regular press conference, and
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: I think Andrew Callian from The Herald asked him, is
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: his status for the opener in doubt? And he said no,
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: and then he I wish I had the exact quote
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: in front of me. He said no, and then he said,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: but we'll see, you know, we'll see what you know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: How that works out. If he's ready to go, then
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: it is in doubt.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Right. See, this is where Bill was.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Right, like, his status to me for the opener is
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: in doubt based on that answer.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you guys, this is where Belichick
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: has it right. There's no sense in getting into hypotheticals
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: about injuries or what you're thinking. You just don't. You
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: have no control over it, So don't wade into those waters.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I would coach Girod not to do that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Just stay away from injury.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: And they're a good media coach. Brett I am, Yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: maybe what I am today Titans.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: The question was Girod going back to the Titans quickly.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: You volunteered this this morning that the guy should be
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: back relatively early in the season. Is Hunter Henry's status
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: for the opener in doubt? I wouldn't say it's in
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: doubt right now. We'll have to see. We still have
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of time. I think he'll be there, but
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: once again, when he's ready to play, he'll be out there.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Right So don't you think that that says two different things.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely, I don't think it's in doubt, but we'll see.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: If he's ready to go, well, then it's in doubt.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The word think, yeah puts it in doubt, right yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Right now, you're telling me like he could be there
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: week four or he could be ready to go week one.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: I doubt has like a negative connotation. So when he
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: hears a reporter ask him, is his status in doubt.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: He's like, well, look, calm down, you know, like it's
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: like one of those things where it's like it's not
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: his job, like he doesn't need to do that. You know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: it's to your point, like he doesn't need he doesn't need.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: To do that. He's not obligated to do it. You know. Listen,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I remember when George Seffert was the head coach of
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the Panthers. He'd literally bring out the team doctor to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: address all these questions. I mean, that's it's a different philosophy, and.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: I don't have any problem if you do that, because
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: it's one message. Andy Reid does it too, but it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: one message. It's here's here's my medical information. This is
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: what we're going off of. So in other words, you
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: have the information that I have. I think within a
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: paragraph he said two different things.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's obligations for reporting injuries, and you should do that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You should just do the minimum. Don't get into anything else.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I think maybe who knows, we'll see they just report
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: what you have to report and leave it at that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: But just make it consistent. That's all. That's all.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: You have to be consistent.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: If you say a guy's going to be able four
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: to six weeks. You can't the next week say he
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: might be out for ten or twelve weeks. Like you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: I don't care if you give us the timetable or not.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Like if you want to give Wes like Bill did,
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: that's your you know, that's your prerogative.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Well you can say to six weeks and the next
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: week the team doctor comes back he's not progressing the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: way we thought.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: And then you say, the team that's what the team
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: doctor said, no issues.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: But but but.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: It's it's when you change like within the same answer.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: Now I'm getting conflicted, and I think there's been some
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: examples of that with Gerrod. I think sometimes like we
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: have a plan with with Drake may right, it's it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: a v P and me.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: We have this plan. Well, could he still be the
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: start week? Oh yeah, but what's the plan?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: The plan is when he's ready.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Plan, I'm going to blow up that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: The plan is I might blow up the plan right,
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: just start them. Yeah, which is why I still don't
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: think that he's going to start week one, because I
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: think they've been pretty consistent with the plan.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: The plan has been interesting because he always this was
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: that two days ago yesterday, He says, we always have
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: to be flexible in regard to the plan. Right now,
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: it's all going the right way, the right direction, and hopefully.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: We need to make.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: A movie, like how are we feeling about Jahaem Bell
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: because right now, like he's getting a lot of those
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: extra reps with Mitchell Wilcox and Hunter Henry Out.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna come down to do they prioritize receiving
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: upside or blocking upside? Like jahem Bell cannot block in
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: line in the NFL. He got blown up in the
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: game and.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Then he came back yesterday in practice.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he can't do that. But he's an explosive athlete
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: and I like them like me too, And this team
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: is so debiat of explosive playmakers that I almost feel
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: like they have to just take the chance on Jaheem
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Bell that he could be one of those types of
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: guys you know in the draft. I always thought of
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: him as like a Johnny Smith type of player, probably
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: more of like a guy that's gonna be closer to
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage, but is really good with the
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: ball in his hands. He's got an explosive gear that
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: to me, is more important than Okay, Mitchell Wilcox is
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: a little bit bigger and a little bit sturdier as
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: an inline blocker, but it might not be more important
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: to them. If they really want to be this run
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: heavy team, then they might look at the tight end
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: as needed to block.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: So evan take the injuries out of it. Say if
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: all the Titans were healthy right now, did you have
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: or would you have Jahamee Bell on your fifty three?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: I would because the main reason is his upside. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: if right now, if I'm the Patriots, everything is a
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: got to have a long term view at it. And
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: if Jamee Bell can be an explosive playmaker for you
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: and somebody, that's a value add in the passing game,
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: that's a chance this team has to take right now.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: I don't like no offense to Mitchell Willcox's the world,
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: but like those are the types of guys that they
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: can't get attached to.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: You can get Mitchell will if you, if you like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: decide to roll the dice and say, you know, this
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: is Jeane Bell. I'm intrigued by his athleticism, and then
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, it's like Jacob Hollister, Remember, like
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: he's he was.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Pretty good in SEEA And my apologies Hooper, who's the
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: other guy?
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's maybe it's a sud film.
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: Well that is a felt which is the guy that
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: looked like he was a world beating all of a sudden,
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: he couldn't catch it, so it didn't work out, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: the guy's clearly not ready. You can always bring back
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe not Mitchell Wilcox personally him, but you
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: can always bring back a Mitchell Wilcox.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: Brown, like three days before the season started last.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: I also forgot Hooper and that conversation about tight ends.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: I know that he was out with an injury. Is
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: he back?
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: He was back yesterday, but he was a little limited.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: But that's like he'll be fine.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: But to your point, if Henry's not ready at the
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: start of the season, that's big because I think that
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: the tight end specifically has been a huge part of
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: what they're trying to do. Henry was the best player,
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: but any of the receivers in camp before he got hurt,
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: and then Henry was out and Hooper was the target
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: in that like the preseason game joint practice and then
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: the early preseason Henry Hooper was the guy they were
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: looking for, so that's an issue if Henry's not there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Agreed, all right, let's go to Sam in North Carolina.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: What's up, Sam?
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: Get Drake May on the other time I wanted to
• 45:57
  Speaker 12: see the Coves did is when they paying for him
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: and they with Drake make took his job and he's
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: been a great mentor, and pay him back and Drake
• 46:03
  Speaker 12: make click Evan you Assistant offensive coordinator Paul is all
• 46:08
  Speaker 12: on TV. You guys use your pool and get him
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: on the field.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks, all right, thanks Sam?
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I love that call.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he called. Also at the postgame show, he's going
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: to be all about getting Drake May out.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: He's gonna play Sam. Sam is saying, throw out the plan,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: get Drake May out there. What do you define as
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: lighting it up on Sunday?
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Is it a statistic thing? Is it a you know
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: what you're seeing thing?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I can see on Sunday.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: I could see it the next three days in practice, okay,
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: or or or next week.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: I don't care, Like I just well, do.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: You think you don't want to going out there throwing picks?
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: But do you want No?
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I don't want that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: He's like nine of eleven.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Then okay, what if he's six or eleven for forty
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: four yards?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Six of eleven for forty four yards.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what he wasn't just out of here.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I'm just throwing numbers out there.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: What does it look like? I have to see what
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: it looks like.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: He should have been seven for eleven for about one
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: hundred and something.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: But this is hard, right about it all? But this
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: is just my point. But I don't care what.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: He does on you know what I mean? If you
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: know what?
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: Like I said, I like the way it's at the
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: last few days, but I want to keep seeing that.
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: I don't think I would classify that as lighting it up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Do you think it has to look good in practice
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: and the game for them to throw out the plan
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: or do you think they're more focused on the game
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: than practice practice?
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: May I always said it, practice is far more important.
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: He said that on a number of occasions.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: I just I've already seen enough. My questions with Drake
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: May are not about is he ready?
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: I'm with you on this.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: My question is is when is the best time for
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: him to play? And as we've argued about this on
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Cash twenty two, to the point where people have asked
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: us to stop arguing about it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: That's not fair.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: But the main thing that I would say at this
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: point is that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It's time for him to play is when he's ready.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: No, not necessarily. What if the team's not ready. What
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: if you're going to put what if the offensive line
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: is a sieve? What if they're going to go out
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: in primetime and get blown out by Aaron Rodgers? I
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: don't don't need to see that, Like he's their point.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: Is, but do you think that there's less of a
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: chance if you put a quarterback who's not ready out
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: there of getting blown out?
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: No, I'm what I'm saying. I think Drake has been
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: ready the whole time.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: I haven't waivered from that because he's the best quarterback
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: on the ski.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: But you can't tell me that he's processing the place.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: The best right now to run the offense.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Mentally, he was the best option that they had at
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: quarterback the night they drafted him, and I've been saying
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: that since the night they drift.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm with Paul here, how can
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you say that when he hasn't even opened up the
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: playbook yet?
• 48:33
  Speaker 13: What do you mean what do you mean, because he's
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: by far the most talented player, But that's talent.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 48:39
  Speaker 13: I don't think anybody about here he's the best. I
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: don't think quarterback team. I agree with you talent wise, right, Yes,
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: and he was.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: I understand that there had to be a developmental track there,
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: but the night they drafted him, he was always going
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: to get to this point.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: I might be contradictory. I want him to play. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: want him to play week one. Wanted him to play
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: week one since they drafted him. I do not think
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: he's ready to play week one. I know that probably
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: sounds like a country you still tell you because I
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: don't think the other guy can play, So what are
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: we doing? What's the difference? Just let him learn it
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: on the go. It'll accelerate the process. So that way
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: in year two.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I thought I'm ready to roll, but I thought you
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: just said you don't think he's ready to play.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: I don't think he's ready to play, but I want
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: him to play, but get get ready by playing.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask, don't get ready by watching.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to ask you the same question in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: reverse that I asked ever, Why don't you think he's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: ready to play? What have you just?
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: I don't see him processing very fast. I still see
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: the double hits, the process. I still see the late throws.
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: I still see hurried throws, like he's not ready.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: He's not sure that those are physical things.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: No, it's mental, it's mental.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Physically, he blows Jakoby were said out of the water.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: It's not even worth talking about. Right, He's he's faster, stronger, better.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Armed, And why he's not getting the first team snaps
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: in practice?
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: Evan, I can I answer that question. I have no idea,
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: but I just the thing I keep coming back to
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: is that, you know, Bar's argument on catch twenty two
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: is always that he's afraid to put him behind the
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: offensive line. Right, that's not my Okay, I understand, but
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: it's you know, let's it's it's a marathon, not a sprint.
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: We're not talking about September twenty twenty four. We're talking
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: about the next five to ten years. That that whole thing.
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: And I'm at the point now where I'm willing to
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: compromise with those people. Okay, I'm willing to compromise because
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: I said week one from the start, I wanted to
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: see him play week one. I'm willing to compromise.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: If you want no more like a month now.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Wad never like when we this is not new. I've
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: been with you on this day. I want him. I
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: want him to play week one. I just don't think
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: he's going.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: To if he plays, if they get him in there
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: in week five instead of week one, because they feel
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: like it's just better for everything, the whole operation, get
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: the offensive line settled down a little bit, avoid some
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: of these big hitters in the beginning of the season,
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: and maybe just ease him into it a little bit more.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: And also just watch Jakobe, like go through a regular
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: season week and what it's like to prepare during the
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: week to play in the game on Sunday. Is something
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: that might benefit him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: All good points. Don't discount like all the new coaches
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: you have.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: So now they all those new coaches that are doing things,
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: and even I would include Van Pelton that because he's
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: never really done this, you know, calling all the plays
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: and everything. Let them get that, you know, four or
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: five six times out of the way.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: I hate to I like that plot.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I think if the offense can knock the rust off
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: of the new play callers, the offensive line, whatever it is,
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: and then put him out there after two games. I
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: don't hate that, But I also don't hate either. It's
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: putting him out there week one and letting him learn
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: by example. I think both are good as long as
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: you're not sitting him for too long. Two or three
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: games is good.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, my concern with week one is mainly just the
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: operation around him. Are you putting him in a functional environment,
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: like if he's gonna go out there in Week one
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: against lou anamer Remo in a really good Bengals defense
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: to get his butt kicked, I don't know if that's
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: really what's best for Drake May's long term development. The
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: second thing I would just say is let's not lose
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: sight of the fact that it's a much longer season
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: in the NFL than it is in college. And in college,
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: you know, he plays twelve thirteen games a year. Now,
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: if you start in week one, he's gonna have to
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: play seventeen games and the bye isn't until week fourteen.
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: I guess what I'm saying would be this, do you
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: think Brissette or May would have a better chance of
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: being prepared to face big lose because I can never
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: pronounce in a room Moya ram Mo Bengals defense in
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: Week one? Who do you think would be better prepared
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: to go into that? Like, I really think it's almost
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: impossible to say. I don't want that he would be ready,
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: but I want, I want me to play. I'm with Evan,
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: I'm with Fred, I'm with Samara, I'm we're all in agreement.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: I want to see May. I just can't really look
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: at him based on what I've seen in camp and saying,
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: oh God, if he's got this, he's got like you know,
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: he's ready to go.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: He can do.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: I want him to learn on the fly because I
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: think that's the better way to learn, right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: So, but I have a question.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: I can't argue that I feel like he's really ready
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: If Week one was on the road versus the commanders,
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: would you just put May out there? Because it's like different.
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: I don't really care about the offensive line, and I
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: don't care about who he's playing. I'm just saying, regardless
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: of the opponent, the guy who'd be more prepared to
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: face that opponent is the guy who's in his ninth
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: year than the guy was rookie year. Again, no one
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: would argue Evan that May doesn't blow him away from
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: a physical standpoint. He's a better player, he's a better quarterback.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: I just don't know if he's ready to be a
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: better quarterback.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yet.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I would play him.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: I would, I would absolutely play him right out of
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: the chute, let him go.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: But I just don't think they're going to do that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: Can I ask another question that I hear a lot, Oh,
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: when you take this tack, this is a short one,
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: quick one.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: Let's say, for argument, say you sit May for three
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: weeks and you put him in before you before he's ready,
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: and then he plays like two or three games and
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: it just does not look good.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Why can't why?
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: Why is it like set in Stone that but once
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: you go to him, you have to stay with him.
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: You can't do Why can't you? Why can't you take
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: him out and say.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, talking about psyche and losing his confidence.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: So you talk to him and say, listen, you.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Tell him beforehand, don't look good, It's okay, We're gonna
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: take you out, you know.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: But then like you'll go back in development. I think
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: guys have come out of games as rookies Tua did.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I don't. I don't think that that's like
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: a bridge too far, Like do I want to do it? No,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: it's not ideal. Once I put him in, I want
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: him to be the guy.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but like if it doesn't, let this whole notion
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: that if you put him in, once you put him in,
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: you can't turn back.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I don't understand that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Is he that weak that we can't take him out
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: of the game?
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: Hope not.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: But by the way, if he doesn't look good from
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: like a performance standpoint, throwing it, I don't care this year.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Let them make mistakes, you know.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: I think we're all in agreement. I think, but I
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: don't really feel like we're going.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: To get what we want. Jason, Minnesota, what's up, Jay?
• 55:13
  Speaker 10: What's up?
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: Guys?
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: I was thinking about that question of how they prepared
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: for the seat like the future, and I would give
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: him a seven, but I maybe say and ain't if
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: they were to play Drake may right away because that
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: goes into development and he can play with those young receivers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: And I was wondering if you think it's kind of
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: a situation like Green Bay where they have a bunch
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: of young receivers who probably wouldn't start on a lot
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: of teams. I mean maybe the Patriots, but not a
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: lot of teams would have you know, Watson and Reed
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: and Remeo Dodds playing, but they got to develop with
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: each other and now they've played pretty well. And I
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: think that Jordan is gonna have a great season because
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: he knows how to play with these you know, c
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: to be players and knows how they run their routes
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: and knows that their timing. And I think that if
• 55:57
  Speaker 8: they can let Drake May play.
• 55:58
  Speaker 14: With the young receivers like Baker and Pole and Pop
• 56:04
  Speaker 14: and then even if the Junian bell to health, you like,
• 56:06
  Speaker 14: that can turn into a we know our timing, we
• 56:09
  Speaker 14: know where you're gonna be at. And I mean the
• 56:12
  Speaker 14: quarterback shit behind the legendary quarterback Jacobe Present is in
• 56:16
  Speaker 14: thet I don't know how much more processing, Like, I
• 56:19
  Speaker 14: don't know what the gas is gonna between those two.
• 56:21
  Speaker 14: And I don't know if you guys have an opinion
• 56:23
  Speaker 14: on how far you think Drake May is from Jacoby,
• 56:25
  Speaker 14: But I mean, if you get in the game, and
• 56:27
  Speaker 14: I think that he can pick it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: Up quite back.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, I think I think the goal. I thought
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: the goal with the receivers was to do the Green
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: Bay model exactly how he laid out. You know, Watson
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: Dobbs read is pop Polk Baker. But then they tried
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: to trade for Brandon at Yuk. They try to give
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: a bag of money to Calvin Ridley and free agency.
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: So I don't know if that's necessarily plan A. It
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: seems like Plan A was to go get a big fish,
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: and it's sort of morphed into plan B, which is, well,
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: why don't we let the young kids play and hopefully
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: they all, you know, rise to the top together and
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: we have a good thing going, a good nucleus going.
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's the Texans way where Nico Collins and Tank
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: Dell have these great years and then they go trade
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: for Stefan Diggs and he's the cherry on top. But
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: I can't sit here and say that that was the plan,
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: because the plan was to pay Calvin Ridley, like that
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: was the plan. Then the plan became, well Brandon Nyuk.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I want a GM who when something, when opportunity knocks,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: they try to open the door. I mean, you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you didn't know that Ayuk was going to get to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: this point, but once he did, Holy mackerel, he's better
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: than anybody we have. He makes our team better if
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: we can get him, regardless of who the quarterback is.
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: That's fair. But the Packers never would trade for Brandon Ayuk.
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: Well that's a whole philosophy thing, right right, But that's
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: what we're trying to figure out.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, is it a plan or not?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I think the plan here is get better, better, period
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: in every different way.
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: Well, I think that to Evan's point, I think they
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: felt like they were going to get better with these
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: three young guys.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's part of it. But add Ayuk to that,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: why not? Why not?
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying that I would do it.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: It's not the pack I'm not sold on the two rookies,
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: so I mean, I mean, that's that's the difference.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: That's why I would take im. But if I was
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: really sold in the rookies, I wouldn't be interested.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Even if you love poke In Baker, why not bring
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: in a guy like Brandon.
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: Ayuk Because I don't want to stunt the development of
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: my own guys that I'm really excited about.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: It hurts the bottom, it hurts the booties of the world,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: they're gone, you know what I mean, it's no, but
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: it's a trickle down. So let's just say that. You know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: obviously Poke and Baker a locks right wherever you have
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: them in the depth chart. Wherever you have them in the.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Depth chart, Pokes a lock.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Baker is a lot, don't you think?
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Probably? But I don't like the way he's played the
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: last two weeks.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you bring an Ayuk wherever you think they are,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: it knocks them down a little. We've talked about the
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: domino effect, but they're still on the team. They're not
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: going to be cut.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: Because right now that the development gets stopped, having to
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: cut somebody, if I'm if I'm if I want to
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: cut somebody, I don't need him. Yeah, Like Polk and
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: Baker if their locks, and they probably are, Polk is definitely,
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: they're not going to get cut. If you come now,
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: they're not going to get the amount of run that
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: you were thinking they were going to get.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I think that I would get would I would.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Take listen, I was we were, we were here about
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: two weeks ago.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Think it might even help them.
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: Right with a very exciting show about the possibility of
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: getting Ayuk, we were all on board. I definitely would
• 59:48
  Speaker 7: be on board of that. But I understand what Evan's
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: talking about, Like, if you have a plant like Green
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: Bay had a plan and they had three guys they
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: felt really good about, actually four because that Wix guys
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: pretty good too. Yes, And I don't think they would
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: have been interested in disrupting that because they want those guys.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: They felt really good about them. Yeah, and they wanted
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: them to develop. If you bring in a big dog
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: that knocks one of those guys down, he's not going
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: to develop as much.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I think that he gets less attention during games. I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: think it might even help them.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: You can only have so many guys on the field
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: at once.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I know, but there's plenty of run for everybody.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: I agree with what Fred is saying that the trickle
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: down effect I would have done. Ay the coverage dictating
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: aspect of AYUK comes in now Jalen Polk's facing number
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: two corners instead of number one corners, and Baker's on
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: the number Like. I agree with all of that. I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: just you can't sit here and say the plan was
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: to draft these young guys and try to go young
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: and develop in the Packer way like they did in
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: Green Bay, and then on the other breath offer thirty
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: million dollars a year to Brandon Nyuk. Like, those things
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: are contradictory. So I think the plan is to add
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: a receiver of that caliber, which is not a bad plan,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: but it's just not what the Packers did. Yeah, you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: know which is.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: And I would have done it. I would have done
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: what Elliott Wolf did. I would have done next shiny
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: Shiny prize.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, next offseason, I think they'll chase the shiny toy
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: again and they'll do it until, I I believe, until
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: they land one.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think you always have to be looking at
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Wasayte for your team to get better at every position.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: So like, if the wide receiver room is missing that
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: big dog, definitely keep your door open for it. But like,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: but if you're comfortable with the young guys, you're good.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: But if I felt as strongly as Green Bay does
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: about those guys, I might not have been interested in But.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: If there's if miracles happen and Drake May and Poke
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: have this amazing connection and Poke is you know, fourteen
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: hundred yards, Okay, maybe the need to go after that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: shiny toy lessens a little bit and now you're going
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: after the shiny tackle. You know, you're, you're you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: so conditions on the ground change. And I know what
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I just laid out is kind of pie in the sky.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: But I know what you but if poke emerges and okay,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: now you know we don't need to go after the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: next Brandon Nyuk.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: And that's what green Bay did. Green Bay said, I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: think we have guys that are going to do that.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: We don't need that.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: And now I'm not telling you green Bay was talking
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: about Ayuk, just using that as an example because it's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: the one ever brought out. Yeah, and I think it's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: kind of Listen, we compare a lot of stuff to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: the packer way.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: Because of Elliott Wolf Like. It's that there is a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: sort of.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: Natural comparison to me because that's the way I think
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: they're going to try to go about their business.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on the rookie receivers because I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: think we might be on the same page on this one.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: But I like Jalen Polk. I like the way he plays.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: He's a football player. I'm just not convinced he's ever
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: going to be anything more than sort of a serviceable
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: possession kind of guy. Baker is one of the more
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: trick or treat guys I've ever seen. Like as a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: young guy, I'm less and less impressed with his explosiveness
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: by the day. He looks tired to me a little bit.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's going through that camp thing, you know, like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: it's kind of hitting the wall. Yeah, this is unfair,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: but we talk openly on Patriots unfiltered right, unfiltered right.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: This is up.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: But this is probably unfair because I've never really spoken,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: you know, other than with thirty of my closest friends,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: I've never really spoken to him.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I don't love his body language on the field.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: I'll give you a couple of examples. The other day
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: he comes out at practice. There's a mindlessly long pre
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: practice routine that the Patriots do.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Now everybody's doing something.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: Now, Yeah, you know, your boy, David Wallace is constantly
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: catching punts off the drugs machine work. He needs the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: work because he catches them all twice at least. There
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: are other guys, you know, receivers that are sort of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: Jalen Rager looks like he's been dealing with something with
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: his hip the last couple of days. He's got the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: thera gun out there. He's been, you know, sort of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: loosening up, getting some work in. Jayvon Baker is sitting
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: on his helmet in between the practice fields by himself.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: I just can't imagine there's not something that a rookie
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: wide receiver could be doing. Austin Hooper yesterday, after missing
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: the previous practice, was down in the opposite end zone
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: catching passes off the judge machine. Been in the league
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: nine years, So I don't like the the optics of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: a rookie receiver sitting on his helmet by himself while
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: everybody else is sort of preparing for practice. There was
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: a deep ball that he was intended for. He was
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: double covered, blanketed. Ball goes incomplete. It must have taken
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: him a full minute to walk all the way back.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: To buy.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: Like, I just don't like the body language and the optics.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: Think that completely unfair because I don't know, like what's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: going on, you know. So I'm just reading from Afar
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: and I just I haven't liked the way it's looked.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: And it has nothing to do with him dropping a
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: deep ball. The guys drop passes that that's a physical mistake.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: I didn't love the route earlier where he allowed himself
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: to get bullied out of bounds. But you know, it's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: not necessarily a production thing. It's more of what I'm watching. Yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: and does that make any sense?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it does. But here's a good here's a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: good example of a guy who if you look at
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Poke and Baker, Baker is probably the better athlete. Yeah right,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, But there's a reason why he didn't go
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: in the in the second round, you know.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a reason why he transferred from Bama.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean right, also true, Yeah, Paul, you know
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: you're speaking facts about what you were seeing. The film
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: is the film for both those guys in the preseason,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: and it hasn't always been pretty. I mean, Jaymon Baker
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: cannot get off press coverage on the outside right now.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: Khille Ringo put put him into the sideline multiple times,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: like the one player gets highlighted that everybody goes fully
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: out of bounds and gets you know, he would have
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: even if he catches that pass, he's he's illegal, he's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: an eligible receiver at that point. He had a lot
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: of released problems against press Man in that game. And
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: then you put the drop in there too. Even the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: bal he caught on the endcut, he like jumped and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: double yeah, it did not look right. So that that's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: concerning uh, Jalen Polk. I I still don't see a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: whole lot of burst or acceleration in his routes. And
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: he's also has two or three times a game in
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: the two preseason games where I'm not one hundred percent
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: sure he's running the right route, which I don't love.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: So I'll give you an example the bootleg play that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: Drake May hit Mitchell Wilcox in the flat on a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: little jump throw and it's Manton man coverage. Nobody has
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: Mitchell Wilcox. It's a it's a bust. Nobody has Mitchell Wilcox.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: The guy that makes the tackle on Wilcox is Jalen
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: Polk's man.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: Oh and he plew his arms that he was disgusted
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: with himself because.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: Jalen Polk ran in the same area as Mitchell Wilcox,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: so he brought more people to the party. And just
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: based off of spacing and how concepts work, you never
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: see an offensive coordinator design a route combination to have
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: two guys in the same place.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Sure you know that's a problem if it happens someone's wrong.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and watching the play just how it worked out
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: conceptually from every other angle, you have to point to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: Polk as the one that was the wrong culprit there.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: So if he's not in the area and he's cleared
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: out of that area, there's nothing but green grass in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: front of Mitchell Wilcox, it's probably like a fifteen yard game.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: I thought he was upset with himself for missing a block.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: I thought there was maybe a screen that was setting
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: up and he was supposed to take care of someone.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: But what you're saying makes more sense.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So he ran an out into the flat and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: Mitchell Wilcox ran the slide route you know, where he
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: runs into the flat and now there's two guys in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: the flat and Polk's guy ends up making the tackle.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: There's another play, you know, the sack to that Drake
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: May had late in the game. It's a dagger concept,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: So Polk's got to clear out the inside coverage and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: then case on Booty. I think it is is gonna
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: run that deep incut.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: And that's similar to the concept on the Baker catch.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so uh sort of, so May is holding the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: ball because He's waiting for Jalen Polk to clear the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: safety out of the picture, and he's holding it and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: he's holding it and he's holding it, and Jalen Polk
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: runs this like squiggly line of a route. He gets
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: chucked at the line of scrimmage and then he just
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: doesn't really get back on the route and it took
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: too long. It just the whole thing took too long.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: So Drake May is holding the ball because if he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: throws the incut, which is where he wants to go
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: with the ball, before Jalen Polk clears it out, the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: safety is just gonna jump it. It's gonna be a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: pick six the other direction. So he's waiting for the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: route to develop, and Jalen Polk is just kind of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: lolly gagging up the field. And I see these things
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: on the film and I'm like, is he ready? Like
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: is he ready?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, we get out into practice and he's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: running with the top offense and I'm like.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: They keep saying it because they don't have top receivers.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like maybe they're looking at it differently from me.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: That's totally possible. But I was watching JT. O. Sullivan's
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: breakdown of Drake May and we had the same notes
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: about Jalen Polk And I'm like, all right, so at
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: least somebody else that watches this religiously is seeing the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: same thing. I'm not saying that he's a bust. I know,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: I think he's tough.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: I like some I think he's a football player, but
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure he's as good as some people have
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: made him out.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just concerning because he's going to have to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: be one of those guys that mentally is a master
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: of the game, Like he's going to have to be
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: a high IQ reute runner in order to make it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: in this league because he doesn't have a physical traits.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Right, let's take a break. It's that time. So I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: know Paul's food's not coming, you're no longer eating. I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't care.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: In front of me.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a little difficult.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: I know, with the new studio. That's why I don't eat.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: No, it's well timing and everything.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: All right, too nice. I don't want to ruin the world.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break. We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 17: And we're back with another edition of the PU Halftime Show.
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  Speaker 17: Matis Balvin here, Chris Casty, it's been a while. It's
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: been a long hot summer. Yeah, winter winter around the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 17: quarter summer. It's been toasty, it's been We've had one
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 17: preseason game, we got another coming soon tomorrow, and.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: Been a twenty day sprint to say the least, exactly.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 17: It's recording this August fourteenth, which means joints were yesterday. So, Chris,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 17: worry some of your takeaways on the practice with the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 17: Philadelphia Eagles.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: It was good to.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 18: See Drake may get a little throwing confidence. I think
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 18: you said, not quite the training camp that he would
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 18: have expected. I think he's trying to get in his feet,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 18: trying to get his feet a little bit more wet
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 18: here and just kind of get into the swing of things.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 18: But I thought he had a little more thrill confidence.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 18: Yesterday during joint practice against the Eagles, it was his
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 18: first I mean, aside from the first preseason game. It
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 18: was the first time where he was able to go
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 18: up against a team that's got a strong defense and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 18: also kind of see from a different point of view
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 18: how good of a quarterback Jalen Hurts is as well. Yeah,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 18: so I feel like there's a lot of highs and lows,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 18: But I thought overall that was a takeaway for me.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 17: It was cool because less than training camps, great football's back.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 17: But like you know this, Chris, as soon as the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 17: first two days are over, it gets very very rinse
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 17: and repeat, and you know, the preseason games are not
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 17: what they used to be.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: And last time we did the halftime.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 17: So I said, I couldn't wait for the joint practices
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 17: because those are the full time reps. You got people
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 17: absolutely fighting for their spots. You get to see some
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: things I haven't seen before and get more reps which
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 17: you would in the game. How Drake played how many
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 17: reps in the Panthers.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: Game like one series.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 17: You got people talking trash, you know everything. There was
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 17: almost twelve thousand fans here.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. It was great.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 17: And then also a good good selection too of Philly
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 17: in Yeah, everybody drive up. There are a bunch of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 17: Philly fans, which you know, they're crazy. The Eagles were
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 17: great to have them in town because.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 18: You know, a great, great organization they really are, from
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 18: the fans to the players, like everybody just was happy
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 18: to be here just watch football yesterday.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: So it was cool.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 17: And another thing I liked because I didn't really pay
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: attention that much in the game because I missed it,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 17: but it was really cool. I'm not going to get
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 17: too into we don't have any secrets away seeing the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 17: new kickoff formation and seeing a couple of reps practicing
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 17: with live hitting just I know nobody in this practice.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 17: They didn't really show any of their tricks, but I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 17: think I think the NFL is in for a surprise
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 17: with this.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it's cool kind of seeing how they've
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 18: been working with the different kickers on the roster as well,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 18: like even in practice, were able to visually see Bryce
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 18: Behringer get kicked some he's trying to get used to it, and.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: Chad and Joey Syer.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: All you got all kicking it.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 17: You got people like doing a squib thing, you got
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 17: to going straight up in the air like you know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 17: you got it.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 18: It's the green zone that's completely different, and I think
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 18: it's gonna be tough for a lot of kickers to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 18: get it there. Yeah, especially with the style of kick
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 18: off they were trying to do.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 17: And the reps were on it like if people were
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 17: messing up, they were calling it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: They're like called the game.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 17: So it was great to see that. So so from joints,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 17: who who stood out to you?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: Who stood out to me?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 18: I mean, Jalen Polk is just he's just been dynamic
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 18: all Campaiger last time. Throw Baker in there as well.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 18: I think those two have really stuck out the most.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 18: Jalen Rager had a pretty solid day overall yesterday. I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 18: want one awesome play along the sideline where he most
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 18: one of the Philly DB's chacobe into Jalen's hands. So
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 18: it's cool to see Jalen get some action. Yeah, in
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 18: this former team, and Jalen's playing for something this year,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 18: he really is. And I think from a confidence level,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 18: didn't really work out for him in Minnesota, didn't work
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 18: out in Philly, Like you want to see him get
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 18: to where he has potential to be as a as
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 18: a round one wide receiver.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: That's where he was drafted.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 17: And as we talk about the receivers since we've last
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 17: been on the show, Juju has been released. So that's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 17: another person out in the wide receiver comp which just
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 17: means other guys are gonna have to step up, and
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 17: they're more reps.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 18: So yeah, and I mean, Patriots eat nine million dollars there,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 18: But I think it's I don't think they're upset about it.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 18: I think Juju is time to move on regardless. He
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 18: just I really don't think he's going to fit the
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 18: fold here in New England. And I mean, you got
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 18: these young guys coming up. You know a guy that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 18: is my dark horse candidate to make this team, David Wallace. Okay,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 18: Like I for whatever reason, have this obsession with him him.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 18: I think he could be a great slot guy. He
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 18: has really great hands, great route running ability.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Just get it.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 17: Just get him out of the thirty jersey.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean does no matter of what jersey, it's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: long you.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Meet the team. There we go.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 17: I'm just saying we can't have wide receivers wearing thirty.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: That's a pet people in mind.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: So we've already talked about that.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 17: We have talked about it, but for another day, another time.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 17: But Wallas, he's your dark horse.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a dark horse. I like Terrell Jennings too.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Running back.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 18: He runs hard man, he puts his head down, puts
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 18: the lowers his shoulder.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: It's not free to to absorb some comdge.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 17: I mean, I mean, I know we signed Gibson, but
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 17: that whole I mean, for me, it's really vermondre and
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 17: the rest is an open competition. So whoever whoever steps up,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 17: take it because running back is just such an in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 17: changeable spot.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 18: I don't know, I think it's it's hard because Kevin
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 18: Harris has obviously a lot of experience here in New
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 18: England and you don't want to take that away from him.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 18: But Jamaichael Hasty has a lot of experience from San
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 18: Franz to Jacksonville to here, and I mean Terrell Jennings
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 18: is really showing off what he can.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Do, all right, Chris.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 17: So we got the game coming up, and so let's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 17: just think what do we want to see and what
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 17: we look forward to to going to Washington before we
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 17: gets the season, because you know, I think by the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 17: time this goes out, the game is going to happen.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 17: So what do we want to see how maybe it
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 17: pans out for next week.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 18: I'm very curious what Geron Mayo wants to do with
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 18: his quarterbacks.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: In this game.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 18: I mean, obviously you saw all four of them, but
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 18: Kobe got one series, ye, Drake got one series. It's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 18: pretty much to Joe Milton and Bailly ZAPPI show. I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 18: think this week is going to be a really important
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 18: week for Bailly Zappy. And I say that because Joe
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 18: Milton was the player of the game in the preseason
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 18: Week one. So I think if Bailey can show, Okay,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 18: I'm worthy of being on this roster, I think that's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 18: a huge step for him. But I think Joe Milton
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 18: has a lot to prove there too.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 17: I think I'll go something similar to that. I don't
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 17: think Bailey is going to be on the final roster.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 17: I agree, and so I don't. I don't like him
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 17: taking reps from Joe and Drake, but if he does
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 17: get reps, I think it's kind of out of respect
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 17: because there's been some quarterback news in the past. You
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 17: know forty eight hours that Zappi can play in the league,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 17: But I just don't know if it's gonna be with us.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 17: But I think he's done enough here that he deserves
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 17: a shot somewhere else, So I agree.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I mean that works out.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 18: We've seen him as a starter here. I mean he's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 18: not the most dynamic quarterback. He's good enough to be
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 18: on the field if you need him. Yeah, And I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 18: mean his twelve interceptions to eleven touchdowns is a tough line,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 18: but I think if you put him in the right situations,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 18: you can really succeed.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 17: All right, Chris, We'll be back soon and seasons coming
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 17: along so we can get more shows out here. But
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 17: all right, guys, thanks for tuning in. Let's get back
• 1:17:29
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  Speaker 19: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 19: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 19: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
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• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: And now great moments in history, I'll give you a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: good one.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: I was running the other day and I'm coming across
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 7: the main street, right, So I get and like, there's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: no cars out there, right. So here comes the car
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: right and I'm halfway across the street and I'm like,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: he ain't slowing down. So I stopped and he just
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 7: kept going and his window was half down, and I go, thanks, buddy,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: and he's like he bumped his brakes and he turns
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: and there was another person on the corner.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: I go, yeah, that guy's essential.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: That's another great moment. Yeah, that was kind of anticlimactic.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: I missed the punchline.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: What happened, Paul, I don't remember, you said, Yeah, I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: don't remember what I said.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: This was that was COVID. Oh I haven't run since COVID. Yeah,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: obviously I.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Thought the punchline was, yeah, that guy's essential, because at
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: the time, essential workers.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: That's what it was. It was only essential. Yeah, that
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: guy's essential.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, those are dark times left that one. All right,
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  Speaker 2: We're back. Eight Pass five hundred is the a stick
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: and hotline. Web radio at Patriots dot Com is the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: email address. We'll get to some emails in a little bit.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: We do have some people that have been hanging on
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Rod's in Delaware. What's up, Rod? Rod and Delaware? Coming
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: in Delaware? Rod? No, Okay, you're gone. We'll go to Winchester.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to get this one.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Trevor's in Winchester. What's up, Trevor?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 15: Yeah, good question for you with as a dad and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 15: boring a football product. As we've marched in front of
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 15: pretty much all of our fans the last four years.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 15: You know, despite the opinions of coaches and our GM,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 15: how much involvement does ownership have or should they have
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 15: with the decisions to get May on the field.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, good question, fair question. How much involvement does ownership
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: have getting May on the field. Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that, but I hear
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: what he's saying because I fight the urge myself of like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: no matter what, but you, all of us have to
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: cover all seventeen of these regular season games. So I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: would much rather cover seventeen games of Drake May than
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: not seventeen games of Drake May. And that's no offense
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: to Jacoby pre said. It's just more entertaining for all
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: of us. But with that being said, if I was
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: Robert Kraft, I would hope that he would say, well,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: I got to listen to the people, my football people
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: in the building and look at the long term outlook
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: of this kid's career and not rush him on it.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: I think their involvement should begin and end with asking
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: the question because they're curious, and that's it, and you know,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: what's the explanation and hopefully it's a good one or
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: whichever where they're going, and that's it. Yeah, you don't
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: want to ownership, you know the words meddling in football stuff,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: unless it's just a train wreck and you have you know,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: obviously you see that things are dysfunctional, then your ownership
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: should come in and make swooping changes. But right now
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: we're very early and everyone's tenure here. You got to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: give them the benefit of the doubt. But it's a
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: fair question. I would hope if Robert Craft answers comes
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: down and has the question, what's what's you know the
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: status report? I hope he's given a clear answer to
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: that question.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would hope so too.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: But I just and I will say that he didn't
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: always get that with the form of regime, and that's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: one of the problems.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 6: Respect You just gotta fight the urge of our entertainment,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: As much as it might matter to certain people in
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: this building, is not the most important thing for Drake
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: may in his long term development, and will all be
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: much happier if they, you know, take their time with
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: him and then he ends up being an MVP quarterback
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: because of it, will all be much happier in the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: long run.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Let's see Rod and Delaware's back. I don't know what
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: happened last time, but what's up Rod?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: Good, good?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 11: So two questions. Is there any chance that lady in
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 11: Robinson beats All's Didney so so the start and left
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 11: guard spot this year? And is there any chance that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 11: Kashan Boody earns more playing than Javon Baker this year?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I think there's a chance for both same.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not so sure about the second one.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, less the second one, but there's a chance.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: There's always a chance.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: I think there is, especially with what Paul described earlier.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: I think there is a chance for Booty to go
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: out there and do that. Like if Booty has a
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: better body language and he takes advantage of the reps that.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: He has, you never know, Yeah, I would say that
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: it's more because I don't like what I've seen from
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 7: Baker and the things that I'm talking about and thinking
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: about are things that I would think are really glaring
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: to coaches. Yeah, and that can affect your playing time.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: What about Leyden Robinson.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: He's looked good. You know, it's been against twos and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: threes in these preseason games. You know, he's moving guys
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: in the third and fourth quarter of a preseason game.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: So I'm trying not to get too excited. But he
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: did get some reps with the ones yesterday. The problem
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: is he doesn't play tackle. So the five best guys
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: that they have, four of them guards are guards. Well
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: it's right or interior lineman. So's the That's the bummer
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: is if one of those guys. And I'll just say
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: it again, I've been saying it about Big Mike forever,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: but he told us the other day he's three hundred
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: and fifty pounds, Mike Onwenu. He's not playing tackle at
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty pounds, and usually when a player
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: comes out and offers his weight, you can add ten
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: or fifteen pounds of three hundred's issue. Yeah, so he's
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: not playing tackle at that size. So as much as
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: I think laden Robinson's might might be one of their
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: five best guys. Configuring it to get him on the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: field is going to be complicated because City SO is
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: also one of their best five guys. And if neither
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: one of SO or when who can play tackle, then
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: someone is going to the bench.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, I hope that answers your question. Rod David Main
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: writes in hypothetically, let's say May flat out beats Jacoby
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: for the starting job. All the coaches agreed, Drake is
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: our quarterback one. Is there a chance they cut Jacoby
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: like they did with Cam? Take away the crutch and
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: tell May we are all in. That would explain why
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Zappi is still sticking around. What is Jacoby costing? Like
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: eight million?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Yea?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: What if you think? What do you think? Also, it's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: kind of funny that in April it was unanimous that
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: May would probably sit out the majority of the season.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: In June it became maybe he'll sit for a few weeks.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Now in August, maybe he'll start Week one. Is this
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: because of the improvement or is this just excitement?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: I think some of us were always there in April,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: and these people that told you that sold you this
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: bag of goods about him being a year. Way lie
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: to you.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: I would just say, like you're going off of media,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: like we don't know what we're talking about, and saying
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: that about myself as well as anybody else in the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: most respectful way. They're the ones with the information, the
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: coaches have, have what.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: In mind, what they they think.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: Evan in April wanted Drake May from the start. Other
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: guys listen to what is being there being told and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: they say it's probably going to be a year, and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: then they sort of adjust based on the different.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: Things, like if.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: You don't think if you listen, I'm saying, like, why
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: are you listening to But if you listen.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: To this show and didn't listen to us, but listen
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: to our callers, you would think Drake May shouldn't even
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: have been drafted in the first round.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: Oh god, if we want wanting to get my little
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: list out again. No one wanted them, nobody liked, especially
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: the people from North Carolina.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: But I was just about to say I wasn't going
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: to go. I already picked enough fights with the people
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: from North Carolina. My my grip are with people that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: should have known better in the media. Dan Orlovsky right,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: those types of people, those are where my grapes are
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: because you make me look like I don't know what
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about, because you're telling me that he's two
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: years away when I'm saying, it's just it was never.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: He was never two years away. It was it just
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: these people like Orlovsky, who I like a lot, and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: I know I'm picking on him, but I like him.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: I do really like his analysis. But they were going
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: over Drake May's film and looking at every micro detail
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: of his footwork and saying that this is no good
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: and it is gonna be years away from being fixed.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: They've already fixed a lot of his issues with his
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: footwork and one off season. You know it just why
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: we they thought that these like little things like you
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: know he took a three step drop here instead of
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: a five step drop, or you know his feet come
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: together here when he needs to have a more sturdy,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: you know, wider balanced base, like these are all little things.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: Did he check the macro level boxes? Yes, the micro stuff.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: You have private quarterback coaches, you have Alex van Pelt,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: you have TC McCartney, you have all these guys that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: are here for the last six months working with the kid, like,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: he's obviously going to get better at timing up his
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: drops with the routes, Like that's why you're not going
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: to play him for an entire year is because his
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: three step drop doesn't sync up to the deep curl
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: route that he has along the sideline. Like those types
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: of things were what everybody was nitpicking about with him
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: in the draft, and now you see, okay, there's been
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: progress in these things, and now we're talking about him
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: starting week one, not just sitting out an entire year.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Yep. Jordan and Hawaii writes in I saw a clip
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: yesterday of Tom Brady talking to Steven A about the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: development of quarterbacks in the league currently, and he says
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: something to the effect about how he disagrees with how
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks are being developed now and forced to play early.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: They being the new quarterbacks aren't learning programs anymore, they
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: are learning playbooks. But wanted to know if you guys
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: agree with this point, and what is the difference between
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: learning a program versus learning a playbook.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think what he was talking about. I watched
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: the clip and he mentioned that all the time that
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: he had to sit at Michigan and learn and earn
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: his way to the starting role, and then he comes
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: here and he sits his rookie year and again he
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: has to earn the starting role. That he really matured
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: from the start of the time he got to Michigan
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: to when he got on the field with the Patriots
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: in his second season, you know, football wise, you know,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: reading coverages, mentally, all that.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Guarantee if he could have started right away, he would
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: have loved to start right away.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because Peyton will say the opposite. So Peyton says
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: that he learned from playing right away, Brady's saying he
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: learned from sitting. So I kind of just say that
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: it's kind of a wash, like each guy's going to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: think their experience was the right way of doing things.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: But I hope we get to continue to hear some
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 7: of this stuff from Brady when he's doing it for
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 7: real for Fox the Analysis. But does he kind of
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: strike you as I get off my lawn guy. I mean,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: it seems like he's complaining about, you know, the ruination
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: of well of everything since he stopped playing.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: There was the whole jag he went on like a
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: year ago about the defenses. Now he feels bad for
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: them because they're not allowed to do anything anymore like
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: he was can't quarterback. He was advocating for defenses. In
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: other words, us a quarterback.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: You know, he talks a lot about you know, quarterbacks
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: throwing receivers into danger and you know, all that kind
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: of stuff, which I saw him do a thousand times. No,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, it happens. What are you gonna do? I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: saw Peyton Maning do it a million times too. Like
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: when you throw the ball to slot receivers crossing the field,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: sometimes they're gonna get lit up.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes they're going to be hospital balls. It happens.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: But I just feel like Brady in particular, when he's
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: talking about the game, it's, you know, these systems that
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: they that they learned now was so much easier. I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: don't know, guy, like what you have, but out of
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: the game that long, is it that much different?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: I also feel like the style of quarterback is just
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: so much different. I don't know when if we are
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: ever going to have another Tom Brady like pocket passer
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: only anymore.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's just rare. The passing game is
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: different than when he started playing, obviously, but he talks
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: about it being worse, and like, I think that they've
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: just made it more efficient. We've just evolved, you know.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: And and the schemes are just different now than what
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: he were when he first started his style.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: There was more on him than in these styles of offenses. Right.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: It's trying that you're trying to make it easier for
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: the quarterback these days, right, because there aren't enough good quarterbacks.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: It's it's also just it's the hardest position to play
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: on the field. So the easier that you can make it,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: the better the quarterback is probably going to play. I
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: still love Oh yeah, no, And he.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: Would know obviously, like he's talking about, you know, the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: learning playbooks and not program but you know who he
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: reminds what he's talking. He reminds me of you gonna
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: say Ted Williams.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, do I speak Fred or do I speak Fred?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Ted Williams? I was like Ted Williams was the same
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: way he got out of playing baseball, you know. But
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: but he got out of playing baseball and he didn't
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: go into broadcasting, but he went into coaching. And he
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: couldn't understand why these young guys.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Couldn't couldn't hit the way he did, Right, you know.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: Hit four hundred in the season. Yeah, it's so easy.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the splinter Splinter Junior from Minneapolis.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: What was Ted Williams like Fred You you probably saw
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: him play?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, sure, I remember when he was a kid.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: You know the kid.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you play though a little bit. Yeah, when I
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: was young, it was yazz bread. They had like this
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: really bad white bread that they would sell, yazz bread
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: and strong.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Oh that was back days of Rico Petricelli and Tony
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Knigly Arrow and you know it was great.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: Evan's mocking you right now, you know that, right, I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: don't care he's mocking you.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I know I'm old.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: Now tell me I really liked you know, my great
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: uncle he passed away at ninety six. So he saw
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: a ton of baseball and he was a huge baseball guy.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: So I used to talk about him all the time,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: about DiMaggio and sure.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: This is like three second grade. So I was living
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: in Providence back then.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, rooting for Red.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Sox Yeah okay, yeah, and you know they were on
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Channel six.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: I think they want oh I remember that.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know whatever whatever it was.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: But we love New England.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Junior Minneapolis is what are the odds are
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: starting O line includes Caden Wallace and Leyden Robinson by
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: the end of the season.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: I think that's pretty good.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: I think pretty good both of them.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: I made the comment during the broadcast the other day.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 7: That's when Andy texted me and told me just.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Just stop, just stop something. The offensive lineman.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: I think Caden Wallace is close. Uh some issues to
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: work out with his hand place men stuff still, but
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: nothing that can't be coached up by the strike system. Paul, I.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: Have a question for you on offensive line because I'm
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: going to go to you Badar's not here, so I
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: have to go to someone who pretends you come to me.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: I go to.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Chooks a corps for from my very layman. Don't don't
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: look just I know, I'm being like, I don't want,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: I don't watch all the technique. I don't. Yeah, he
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: seems a little light for me.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a really good that's a really uh good
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: way of putting.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: He's tall, he's athletic, he is sure, he moves reasonably well,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: and he's tall, but I don't know if he has
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: enough sand in his pants.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: I would call him a linear build to put it nicely,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: Strike so we were talking about this on our way
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: out to practice the other day.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: Was part of this.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: I think probably offensive line and I just want is
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: probably listening more so.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: Belichick and Nick Saban used to have this thing about
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 6: lineman where the people used to ask them, I'm like,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: why do you go to a pro day to watch
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: an offensive lineman because they're not blocking anybody, they're not
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: in pads, Like what's the point? And they were dead
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: serious and they say that they're there to look at
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: their butts. They they're there to look at the prosterior.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: So I know you're young, right, Yes, do you remember
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 7: a guy the Patriots had named Pat Harlow?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 11: No?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: Do you remember Pet Harlow? Fred the first round tackle.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: He's a really good player.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: He was very angular.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, when Parcels came in, they didn't love them because
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: of that, because everything Belichick.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: Did it was Parcels. Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 7: So that that's a thing for those guys that there's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: like a look and a body type that.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: They want, that bubble they would prefer.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So when I look at Chukes, I just see
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: a very narrow, linear athlete and he's high cut, so
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: he doesn't have a ton of sand in his pants.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 6: And he also plays really up up top, really high,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: and you can't move anybody because he does, He's got
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: no natural leverage.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: Wallace does not have that problem.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: By Wallace is the opposite. Wallace has got a nice
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: broad base too well.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, going back to Tyrone Smith, he doesn't you know,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: he's not as wide down low as a lot of guys.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: But he's no. I mean, he's just he's such a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: great athlete.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: And he's really big though.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: He's huge, and his arms are so long, like he
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: gets that hand in your chest and it's over. It's over.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: If you're going to have the bill that Jukes has,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: you have to have a really good lower body flexibility
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: because you have to be able to bend. And if
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: you can bend, then you can create those leverage points.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: And you're fine with him. I just see him playing
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: too tall, and he said it after the first game,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: So I'm not like saying anything that that is out
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: of line. Like he he mentioned to Yeah, he thought
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: he was playing too high in the opener against Carolina.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: If you if you're constantly playing that tall, you're not
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: going to move anybody, like you're gonna have no power.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: So that that's what I've seen with him in Kendon
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: Wallace next to on window. Now that would they would
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: move people, you know, that would that would be a
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: nice combination there.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: And I brought it up just you know, if you
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: could get maybe those guys aren't ready to be you know,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: they're not better than their the guys they're backing up now.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: But maybe if you got to middle the middle of October,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: you know, with Robinson and Wallace, you know, and all
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: of a sudden they're like, you know what, these guys
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: have made up that ground.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: Now it's time.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: I think that would be a really positive development for
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: the young offensive line. And you know, I don't know
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: where so is. I thought, I think he's been a
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: little up and down in camp. I don't and I
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: think again, I don't watch every one on one.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: I know you're watching even when you see it.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: But I do see him coming in and out at
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: times like has been going in yeah, you know, and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: it's for him. You know, they're not taking a wine now.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: I don't think any has been great in this camp either.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: He started out.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: But that's the biggest thing. You talked about it earlier,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Evan is let's say Leydon Robinson is good even if
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: you wanted to kick so over to the right side
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: and move on when you have what to tackle. You're
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: saying right now, he's too heavy to play tackle.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: That's my thought. And this is a complete tinfoil hat conspiracy.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: But I do wonder if he doesn't want to play tackle,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: and so.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 13: If Ah's advotaging himself, not directly in the buffet line.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: But I wonder if he's thinking to himself. You know,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: he said to us that he just wants to be
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: locked into one position, whether it's right tackle or right guard.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: He doesn't necessarily care, but he doesn't. He doesn't want
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 6: to keep flopping every single year and moving all over
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: the place. So I feel like he almost took matters
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: into his own hands. And again this is just me
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: thinking that maybe he took matters into his own hands
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: and is like, I'm gonna play guard, yeah, and I'm
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: gonna come in at three hundred and seventy five pounds.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: So when they asked me to go play tackle, it's
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: not gonna look pretty, so they're gonna move me in.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: It knows Yeah, let's see, this is Joe writing in.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I feel if you're expecting something of this team, then
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: may starting week one is important. Otherwise, I don't think
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: it's that detrimental to have him miss out on three
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: to five games. I do agree you'll learn more by doing. However,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think trying to play or do things in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: general without the necessary prerequisite talent learning period could put
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: you into a place where you're wasting your time and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: practicing bad habits. Along those lines, I think playing behind
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: an offensive line that is below reasonable standards could similarly
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: develop bad habits and or make the reps he's getting
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: in games significantly less valuable, if not harmful. And he
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: also says, is Paul losing weight, he's looking good?
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: No, but thank you, I look good. I heard that part.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: You worry about the David Carr syndrome. This now, David
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: Garko sacked seventy five times.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: I believe it's still a record.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know if.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence his rookie season obviously bad coaching. He had
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: a horrible offensive line, among other things. He got sacked
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: a lot and made a ton of mistakes.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I mean he's.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: Still here, not saying he's one of the best.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: Best habit thing is something that you need to see,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: Like you always say, I need to see what it
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: looks like. Fred, you always say that before you can
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: never give an opinion. Yeah, I know you're right about
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: that though, Like you need to see it, Like is
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: he getting bruised and battered and then you know he's
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: chucking and ducking that that's the bad habits that you say, Okay,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: we've passed the point of diminishing returns here, Like the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: experience he's getting is being aweighed by him, not really
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 7: you know, going through his reads and progressions and doing
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: what he's supposed to do because he's worried about where.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: The next hits coming from. And we've seen it.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 7: I know this is going to sign like blasphe me,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: I saw it happened to Tom Brady, so it happens
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 7: to everybody. It's a it's a problem for everybody.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: Sure Brady did not want to get hit at the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: end of his career.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: Remember that game that that that Sunday night game in
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: Detroit that year for Patricia and he just like went
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: back and he just threw one up like it was
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: a punt to Courtney Patterson that right down the middle
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: of the field.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: Just a punt, like you see how he was feeling anymore.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: Remember remember he threw the helmet of Jerry Body on
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: the sideline, just threw his helmet up in the air.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you knew how Brady was feeling by the number
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: of throws he would throw away.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: Because I just I'm not taking this hit anymore.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Emery writes, And he said, Paul, your comment, your comment
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: on pulling Drake may if he doesn't do well, is
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: quite timely. Belichick was on McAfee yesterday commenting on the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: possibility of bow Nicks starting and then being pulled, and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: he said, I think that just creates a lot of confusion.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: I really don't think that's what you want to do. Well,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: you don't want to know.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: I would totally agree with that. I would lay rich
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: coming from him, but I.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: Would agree with Belichick on that's not what you want
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: to do. I just don't think you can't do it right.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: And by the way, Kevin, go ahead, but.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: A contradictory statement.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: He did it.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it to Max. I know. The two
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: example he used is interesting because Tua just went on
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: LeBatard and said that the whole situation he went through
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: degraded his confidence greatly, and it took a new coach
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: two years to build it back up.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: For those reasons, because the coach was constantly telling him
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: he sucked.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: I saw that interview that was a little different.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: It's a little different, is tell me.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: For those reasons, I don't think pulling may would be
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: a good idea.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think it would be a good idea either.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: I'm just telling you. It's like, don't pretend that you
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: can never put him in, because I can't ever take
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: him out once I put him in.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 7: You don't have to wait three years until you're one
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: thousand percent sure. I'm never going to take him out.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: Like if you put him in and you were wrong,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: five weeks later, you could take them out.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah. This situation reminds me the most of Miami, and
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: I know two had the injury coming into the NFL,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: so it's not exactly apples to apples, But they had
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 6: Fitzpatrick who was like a locker room favorite, veteran mentor,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: very good. Yeah, and much like much more of a
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: comparison than Green Bay in Kansas City, who had Aaron
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: Rodgers and Alex Smith, and it was a totally different
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: situation what they have here. And by week seven or
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: week eight it was Tua.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: Like they were having some success.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think Fitzpatrick started the first six games, then
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: they had the bye and then Tua was the quarterback
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: coming out of the bye week for the rest of
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: the season. So to me that that's the most app
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: comparison for what's going on here. Yeah, is Miami with Tua.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: I guess you could also say like the Chargers with
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: Herbert and Tyrod, But Tyrod had the lung situation with
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: the needle, so it's not like that one was it
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: took its own turn. But maybe that one.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: Would be that situation with Fitzpatrick was actually winning games.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there are three toa did no not.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: When he finally got in. But I'm like a lot
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: of players in that locker room wanted Fitzpatrick to keep playing.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he had people. It was divided, Yeah, a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: little bit, but it was always going to be too.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was handled well if that's who
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: you're getting at a transition, I don't think. I don't know.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a little I think I don't
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: expect Jacobe Brissette to go out and start winning games
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: this year. I would be so happy if that happened.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't see that.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 7: But I think the point that I would take from
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: it another way, even if Brissette does win some games
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: and he's like four and four and then you all
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 7: of a sudden you think, well, you know what this
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: kid is, just him, he's lightening it up in practice.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: He's ready. I don't care what the record is, make
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: the move because he's the guy.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelly in Salt Lake City. Crazy hypothetical here.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: Can you hold on for a second.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 7: Now, if Perset went out and was like eight no
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 7: and lighten it up, I wouldn't just make the move
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 7: because it makes the guy that's a little different.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Parrillo says, No matter what, you know what I mean.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: Like if I mean that never happens.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like if you're five hundred and that's exceeding expectations
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: at five hundred, I can still make the move.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Crazy hypothetical here, But say Judon played the whole season
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: on his deal in Atlanta and hits free agency next year,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: would you be open to the Patriots attempting to re
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: sign him? As anyone ever traded a player, gotten a
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: pick taken and taking that pick and then re signed
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: the player after Uh, they got to pick for it.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: In other words, to use the third to get him back.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, they're saying, no, we need to
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: trade and then in free agency as a free agent
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: for nothing.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: So then what does the pick have to do with that?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 6: You just got to pick back.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: In other words, you got a third round pick in
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: you kept the player.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, after.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: This, I just don't know if he would come back here.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 7: I don't think that's a possibility, but I'm sure it
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: has happened at some point. Probably someone probably said, you
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: know what, we're gonna I think it happens in baseball
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: more than.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: What did you think about his comment, jud On, I
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: haven't earned anything here, I'm going.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: To play on that current He said that here he
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: was going to play on his contract.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: He's just disgruntled about it. Yeah, that's the way I
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: read it.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: The only thing I didn't like about his interviews this
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: week was how the Patriots never had an in person
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: conversation with him. That's crazy. I just like your own
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: player who's here in the building. You didn't take the
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: time to talk to him in person, and you were
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: texting him.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think they wanted the player like.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: I just that's just crazy.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be surprised by the way if he
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: doesn't get a contract. I won't tell you that I'm demanding,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm guaranteeing it, But if he plays on
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: the current deal, I will be surprised.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: This whole thing was always headed to him being traded,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: which is we talked about it briefly at the beginning
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: of the show. I would have traded him in March
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: because I would have taken the asset in this draft.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: But I just feel like we were always headed to
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: this point like he was never going to be here
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: long term. They were never going to sign a thirty
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: two year old pass rusher to a you know, sixteen
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: eighteen million a year type of deal. It just doesn't
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: make any sense for their their situation that they're in.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: So I just don't see how they even if they
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 6: had sat down at a table together and tried to
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: hash it out man to man, face to face, it
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: just didn't really seem like he had a future here
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 6: at regardless.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: I agree Alex and Raley writes in I'm with the crew.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: We all want to see May play. May's point of
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Mayo's point of the best way to learn is playing
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: in its press conference makes me wonder if he believes
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: Drake May is going to start week one. I think
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: the best course is to let May play. Given the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: ability to learn from mistakes, and I think he's got
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: the mental toughness to get through a lot, let's start May.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: I would that's what I want to see. I don't think.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think we will see it.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Brad is in Ohio? What's up, Brad?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 10: Any how you got doing it today? Ladies?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 8: Hi?
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 12: Lo?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 10: So anyway, I just got a couple of thoughts real
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 10: quick about City So in particular, and I agree with
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 10: you all again of course, like I always your teamless
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: always know everything about our team. So City saw really
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 10: paid played great last year at right guard, and you
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: know he looked good at times at left guard. But what, Evan,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: do you know what his original position is?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: Left guard? Yeah, he played left guard in college for
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: multiple years, started multiple started a ton of games in college,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: like fifty sixty games or something like that, most of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: them at left guard. So I don't think that it's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: a problem for him to transition back. If that's if
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: that's what you're getting.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 10: At, Okay, great, that's yeah, that's the first thing I
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 10: wanted to ask. And then and I was going record
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 10: for liking Drake May when I called you guys back
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 10: I don't know, three or four months ago, and I
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 10: was also like JJ McCarthy. And then my last question
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 10: or inside here, Fred asked me why I felt like
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 10: we should start Drake May week six once when I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 10: called you guys, you know, a few months ago, and
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 10: the more I thought about it was, but the more
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 10: you look at it, the way our team structured, you
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 10: get through that gauntlet of the defensive and then by
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 10: then we should know what kind of offensive line play
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 10: we have. By then, you know, be fixed on a
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 10: certain group, and then also know what kind of receiver
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 10: play we're going to have to help compliment him, and
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 10: let that be the deciding factor whether or not we
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 10: decide to put him in. You know, I think he
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 10: should wait at least a month just to get through
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 10: that gauntlet of difficult games. But after that, I mean,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 10: if there's no upside and you know, the scenes in
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 10: this array and we can block halfway decent I think
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 10: week six would be a great starting point for him
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 10: against that.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: Home Oh sorry, week six the Texans.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Texans.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's a pretty good Yeah, we kind of what
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I said week five against Miami, which was just
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: a week before. But if that's what they end up doing,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to kill him for it is where
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: I'm at with it, like I would have started in
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: week one in April. Like I told, I keep saying,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: so it's not to me, it's not even about that.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: But if they say to us, you know, we're gonna
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: let them follow around Jacoby for a month. Let Jacobe
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: show him how to go through the regular season week
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: and how to watch film and how to prepare for
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: an opponent and how to get in the game plan,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: and you know, we have some tough games early on
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: in the season, and then we'll we'll turn it over
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: to him in week five, sure, but any later than
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: I think we're just what week is London? Week seven
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: or seven?
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering if maybe when they get back from London, I.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: Want to say week seven.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Joe writes in maybe it would have taken dan Arlovsky
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: two years to fix those things and maybe that's why
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Dan was such a shitty NFL player.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: Oh that's terrib Why don't you have to read that.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: I'm not going there with Dan show.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Just that's what he said.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: I'm quoting somebody TV AM. I right, you often roll
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: your eyes on me, but you know what, I'm right,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: that was hysterical.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Let's see Jack in a way.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: I just at that point. But I do like him.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: I know, I know the email is being funny, but
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: we're trying to be funny. But there is something to
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: be said about everyone's different point of view. I mean,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky might think that way because it didn't come
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: as naturally to him. I don't know, like.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: Quarterback, new coaching staff. Maybe just because of all the newness,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: there's just so much unknown that maybe that's what he
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: said two years he.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: Said two years before the Patriots draft of him, this
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: was like a pre even Oh yeah, so I think
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: the biggest thing with him is what I was saying earlier,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 6: was that he had all of these like quarterback minutia
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 6: things with his footwork and his timing in the pocket
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: that he needed to improve on, and a lot of
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: people thought that that was going to take time, and
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: it hasn't come all the way, like he's not one
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: hundred percent there yet, but he has come aways from
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: where he was at the beginning of training camp to
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: the point now where you say, okay, well, the more
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: reps he gets and the more he does it, he's improving.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 6: What the more reps he's getting, So he's only going
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: to keep improving, hopefully, And now what are we waiting for?
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: H Jacket and Arbor writes in when the Eagles rolled
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: out their starters against the Patriots in the joint practice
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: last week, it was as if a battle hardened platoon
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: of crack Marines was storming a troop of boys scouts
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: at their summer jamboree. How did it come to this?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: How did the Patriots allow their roster to deteriorate to
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: the point where they are simply mismatched, overmatched by the
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: best teams in the league.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think I wish Deuce was here because
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: this is when we play the hits. Duce goes on
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 7: a ten minute rant about the drafting in recent years,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: But that's I mean. The short answer is Bill Belichick
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: and the personnel department did not do a great job
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: over the last whatever eight.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like the lineman. They drafted linemen.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 7: Right, and they just haven't they haven't hit on enough
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 7: players period. It's just because he's right, Like I thought,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: the defense rose up after a shaky start in that
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: joint practice and competed. The offense was not really competitive
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: at all. First offense, second offense, whatever, they were not competitive.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 4: The the difference.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: In talent level on the field was not much different
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 7: than it was in his really ugly.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: It was alarming, Yeah, it was alarming.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: It was Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And it
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: really starts in the trenches.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 6: I mean the Eagles defensive line they have a brick wall.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 6: It's just talented. I mean they have multiple first round
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: picks on that line, you know, multiple Georgia Bulldogs on
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: that line, which never hurts. And also just.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: The three remaster of brown, Smith and Barkley, Like I
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: had to look Dow. I was like, is that one
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: almost forgot Sakue was even on the team. Yeah, and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: just to have those three, I like, I think I
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: forgot what the guy's name was, but he was on
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: our pregame show.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: What was his name, David?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: But he was like he was. Like being an Eagles
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: person right now is like a pinch me moment to
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: have Saquon on our team, Like he just completes their
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: offense and definitely is gonna make it a lot easier
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: for Hurts.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: Uh Dorian the Terrapin rites in uh Am, I the
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: only one that sees Jacobe serving Drake may better from
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: the role of backing him up and assisting the quarter
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: back coach breaking down drives and possessions in the game
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: with a headset instead of taking in a live game
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: reps from him. I'm a believer, especially with Drake Mays
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: skill set, that you only get better at football by playing.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: He makes the old line look slightly better with his mobility,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Receivers seem to have more juice with him, and the
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: team can clearly tell he's the best quarterback. No need
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: to hide him. Take take the good with the bad.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: He's gonna play.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, we all believe it. I think that's where
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: we're trending.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: We all agree with that.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: The other part about Brissett, I don't necessarily agree with Brissett.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: You know, it's not his job till I put a
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 7: headset on and holds Drake May's hand while he plays, No,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: that's not what he was brought here for. I think
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: he is an exceptional teammate, ye exceptional teammate. I think
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: he is in a very small percentage of guys that
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: would be perfect. A couple emails ago, someone suggested that
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: they they get of him if May starts week one.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 7: This is not a Cam Newton situation. They don't need
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: to do that, and I think that would be doing Cam.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Let's remember the personality of Cam Newton compared to Jacobe.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: You know it, Paul one hundred percent right about that.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: I do wonder, and maybe it's just water finding its
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: level what Jacob were said. And he was playing a
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 6: little bit better for stretches in the beginning of training
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: camp than he actually was. But once we got to
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: the preseason, you know that first preseason game against Carolina
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: on he has not looked like the same guy. Like
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: his accuracy has been sporadic, his timing has been off
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: at times. I do wonder what happened there, you know,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Maybe he's just not very good, that's
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: a possibility, but he was much better first, let's call
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: it six or seven practices of pads and then the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: preseason started and he kind of fell off a cliff
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, that's going to do it for this
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Filter. We will be back on Thursday
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: at noon. We do have practice, so Evan will be
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: going and he'll be back from practice.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: So no, he'll be going to bit to practice.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you'll never come back, will never see you again?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: Is practice?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Okay? Okay, Thursday, so we'll have the but we'll start
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: at noon regardless.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: And I'll be here to make sure Fred doesn't say
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: anything completely wrong.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: No, no, you can't stop me from doing that.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 13: All right, Catch twenty two tomorrow, Yes, Catch twenty two
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 13: to twelve?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: Is that going to be twelve?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Do you think Wednesdays are going to be the day
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: for Catch twenty two.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: Or any Wednesday or Thursday? Where we got to find
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: out from the proper channels what exactly the end season
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 6: schedule is going to look like, and then we'll figure
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: it out.
• 1:56:43
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