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MONSTER MOM Hires Hitman TO MURDER HER OWN TOT-BOY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: Did a mother actually tried to hire a hit man
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Speaker 2: to murder her three year old toat son?
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Speaker 3: Let that sink in?
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Speaker 2: A mother hiring a hit man to murder her tot boy?
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Speaker 3: You know what?
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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, every day correction, I think, Wow,
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Speaker 2: I've heard it all. I've never seen anything like this before.
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Speaker 2: How could people do such a thing? And then along
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Speaker 2: comes someone like Jasmine Pays who, according to prosecutors, hires
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Speaker 2: a hit man to murder her three year old baby.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series
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Speaker 2: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen our
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Speaker 2: friends at NBC.
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Speaker 4: Please A Pius went on a parody website to seek
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Speaker 4: a hitman to allegedly kill her three year old son.
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Speaker 4: That website owner called police to report it. Robert Rainz
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Speaker 4: tells us he called Miami Dade non emergency number three times,
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Speaker 4: but they referred him to crimestoppers. However, on that third call,
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Speaker 4: that's when a detective was put on the case.
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Speaker 5: Because of the fact that it involved in online and
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Speaker 5: online allegations. So that's what caused a little bit of
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Speaker 5: a delay when he made him call a couple of times.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I'm still trying to get my
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Speaker 2: head wrapped around this. I'm going to go to an
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Speaker 2: all star panel to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 2: right now, including the creator of Rent a Hitman dot Com.
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Speaker 2: But first to Nicole Parton Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, Nicole,
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Speaker 2: how many children do you have? I just want to
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Speaker 2: make sure one hasn't been added recently.
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Speaker 6: I have ken in my home at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to go with seven, and I
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Speaker 2: would have been very wrong.
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Speaker 3: Nicole.
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Speaker 2: A mother hires a hit man to murder her three
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Speaker 2: year old taught boy. And you know what, think about
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Speaker 2: how hard you worked to get your family, all the
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Speaker 2: red tape you went through, the years in the making
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Speaker 2: of adopting these children, and now you have this beautiful family.
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Speaker 2: Can you even imagine a mother hiring a hit man
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Speaker 2: to murder her tat boy.
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Speaker 6: I can't even wrap my head around it. I can't
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Speaker 6: imagine her having the thought of it, much less acting
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Speaker 6: it out, following through with it. But she did.
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Speaker 2: You know that's interesting what you just said. Hold on,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the fact just give me
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Speaker 2: a sec hold on Bob ns, the creator of rent
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Speaker 2: a Hitman dot com.
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Speaker 3: I've got to go to a shrink with me.
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Speaker 2: As renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, TV radio
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Speaker 2: trauma expert consultant. You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
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Speaker 2: That's Karen with a C. Karen Nicole Parton just said
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Speaker 2: something really interesting. She said, what mom would have the
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Speaker 2: thought of murdering their child? Much less following through, not
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Speaker 2: acting in a moment of anger, which still going to
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Speaker 2: go to hell, but cold blooded, calculated making the decision
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Speaker 2: to hire a hitman to murder your baby. You're toddler,
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Speaker 2: you know, Karen Stark. Sometimes I'll send you the pictures
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Speaker 2: my phone and my iPad and my laptop. They all
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Speaker 2: iterate photos of the twins, my babies. They're fifteen now,
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Speaker 2: and these pictures pop up on my phone or my
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Speaker 2: iPad of them this day in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 2: this day in twenty fourteen. I sometimes break down and
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Speaker 2: cry because I want those years back. I want to
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Speaker 2: do it all over again. I want them to be
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Speaker 2: toddlers all over again. Because I can easily say, with
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Speaker 2: no hesitation, hand on the Bible that the last fifteen
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Speaker 2: years have been the best years of my life because
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Speaker 2: of them. The thought of killing your child has never
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Speaker 2: once even flitted across my mind, much less as Nicole Parton,
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Speaker 2: who's an investigative reporter, not a shrink like you, actually
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Speaker 2: calculatedly planning the murder of your child.
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Speaker 7: That's a big leap, right, well, not what anybody expects, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: I think that's the most difficult.
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Speaker 2: Just say, you know, Karen Starr, I don't have you
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Speaker 2: on today. Decide well, nobody expected that.
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Speaker 3: I can agree with.
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Speaker 7: That well, because when we think of a mother all
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Speaker 7: across the world, when we think of mothers, we think
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Speaker 7: of mothers and children. We think of a madonna and child.
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Speaker 7: It's a very strong image. And that is not the
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Speaker 7: case when you have maternal philicide. When you have a
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Speaker 7: mother who kills children, and those people are not like
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Speaker 7: regular mothers. They are anti personality. Unless there is some
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Speaker 7: kind of psychosis, they are doing it because they want
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Speaker 7: to get revenge on somebody, or they really can't deal
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Speaker 7: with handling a child. They turn the child into a
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Speaker 7: monster and believe the child is acting out or crying
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Speaker 7: to get even with them. They do not see their
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Speaker 7: child as a real living human being that they are
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Speaker 7: connected to, much more like a toy, something that they
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Speaker 7: can discard. They don't have regular feelings.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me, and of course I have no
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Speaker 2: shrink that all the hatred or the anger, the frustration,
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Speaker 2: everything going on in their lives, they what do you say,
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Speaker 2: transfer all that onto an innocent baby, and somehow the
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Speaker 2: baby is the cause of all of their problems.
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Speaker 7: That's correct. They project all of the things that are
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Speaker 7: happening to them, and in some cases they are being
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Speaker 7: abused themselves, and anything that goes wrong, they think it's
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Speaker 7: the child. And they also have no ability to cope
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Speaker 7: with children. If you think about children are totally dependent.
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Speaker 7: Sometimes they cry, you can't stop them. They have the
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Speaker 7: temper tentium. These are women that turn their children into
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Speaker 7: people that are working against them, as though the children
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Speaker 7: are developmental maturing us to know that they hate their
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Speaker 7: mothers and they're getting even with them. And we're talking
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Speaker 7: about baby.
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Speaker 2: According to the facts as we know them right now,
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Speaker 2: a mother, a Florida mom, uses a hitman website to
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Speaker 2: murder her three year old baby boy, allegedly paying three
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the murder. That's what we know right now, guys,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at NBC.
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Speaker 8: So this is it right here, rents a Hitman dot Com.
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Speaker 8: It's actually a parody website, so police say it's not official,
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Speaker 8: but please claim that woman logged onto this website to
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Speaker 8: try to find a way to kill her son. The
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Speaker 8: mother accused of looking for a way to get rid
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Speaker 8: of her child is now out of jail on a
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Speaker 8: fifteen thousand dollars bond pliant as you left the Corrections Center.
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Speaker 9: Out of jail, but not out of trouble.
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Speaker 3: Rent a hit Man, Okay, rent a hit Man.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now, your point and click solution.
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Speaker 2: It says rent a hit Man as one of the
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Speaker 2: most experienced professional crisis management whoa crisis management? You know,
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Speaker 2: Bob Innes. I'm going to get to you in just
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Speaker 2: one moment because you created this thing. Kelly Hymen joining
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Speaker 2: us trial lawyer out of Miami. This is her jurisdiction
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Speaker 2: TV analyst podcast host of Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood,
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Speaker 2: which is awesome. Kelly Hiyman, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, now, you know I can just see
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Speaker 2: defendants wrongdoers all over the world that are hearing this
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Speaker 2: right now, they're going to start referring to their murder
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Speaker 2: plans as crisis management. What about this rent a hit
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Speaker 2: man your point and click solution. And I'm looking at
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Speaker 2: it right now, and it says we are one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent Hip hop compliant hit Man Information Privacy and Protection
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Speaker 2: Act of nineteen sixty for that should be a tip
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Speaker 2: off right there, But for people that are unlearned in
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Speaker 2: the law, that may mean nothing to them. Field off
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Speaker 2: of the year one hundred percent Satisfied Customer Framed Awards.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, some people could read that and
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Speaker 2: know this is a farce. Others not so much. And
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Speaker 2: the fact that she paid three thousand dollars to hire
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Speaker 2: a hitman to murder her baby, I think says it
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Speaker 2: all Kelly him And that's all I need is to
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Speaker 2: follow that money to prove this case.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, So she's been charged with first degree solicitation of
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Speaker 10: murder and third to reuse of communication device. And so
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Speaker 10: the solicitation definition is when the defendant is asking or
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Speaker 10: trying to convince another individual to commit a crime. So
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Speaker 10: the state needs to prove the defendant ask someone to
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Speaker 10: commit a crime. Go on that website ask the one
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Speaker 10: to do it, and while they were talking, she directed
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Speaker 10: and encouraged and invited, asked or hired another person to
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Speaker 10: commit a crime or attempt to commit a crime.
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Speaker 11: And that would be if stay proved that, then she
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Speaker 11: would be guilty of first degree solistication of murder.
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Speaker 1: Wow Time Stories with n it'sy Greece.
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Speaker 2: Pat Diaz joining me former Miami day Police officer, homicide
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Speaker 2: detective Private investigator now in South Florida at South flpis
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Speaker 2: South floridapi dot com. Pat, I don't care what that
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Speaker 2: site really is. What I care about is the safety
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Speaker 2: of a helpless three year old taught boy and a
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Speaker 2: mom who wants him murdered. And it's not just a conspiracy,
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Speaker 2: because the conspiracy a plan has to have what we
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Speaker 2: call overt act for it to be prosecutable. I can't
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Speaker 2: just sit around with Jackie and say let's kill Sendney.
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Speaker 2: I have to commit an overt act like go buy
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Speaker 2: a gun or something to that in that bent, and
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Speaker 2: in this case, transferring three thousand dollars is an overt act.
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Speaker 12: I agree with you one hundred percent. In this case,
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Speaker 12: you have to give him his credit for alerting the police.
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Speaker 12: And then once the detective got on the case, he
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Speaker 12: was smart enough to engage her in text messages. So
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Speaker 12: that's the act that we needed to prove that her
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Speaker 12: intent was for this to happen. And once they had
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Speaker 12: her there, then the exchange solidified the case completely against her.
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Speaker 12: It was a good job on everybody's part to take
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Speaker 12: her off the street.
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Speaker 2: I love nothing more than text messages. Pat d As,
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Speaker 2: You're so right, because in the past, it would be
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Speaker 2: a conversation.
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Speaker 3: Which is a he says, she say.
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Speaker 2: She's told me she wanted a hit man. No, I didn't,
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Speaker 2: So who's a jury gonna believe? But when you put
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Speaker 2: it in a text message, it's just so much better.
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Speaker 12: Hate.
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Speaker 2: Pat Diaz, former Miami Dade homicide detective.
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Speaker 3: Never lack of business.
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Speaker 2: There there's something different about murder for higher defendants, those
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Speaker 2: defendants that lie in wait and pay money for murder.
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Speaker 2: There's just something Again. I'm not a shrink. I'm just
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Speaker 2: a jd not an MD, but I have noticed in
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Speaker 2: my prosecutions and coverage there's just something different about the
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Speaker 2: mindset of someone that commits a murder for hire?
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Speaker 3: What is it, Pat d As, It's that.
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Speaker 12: To prave mind because you have to take it serious.
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Speaker 12: You can just laugh office as a case that you know,
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Speaker 12: somebody just trying to do something, you know, on a website.
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Speaker 12: When you have somebody actually with the intent to find
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Speaker 12: a hitman, you know they want to carry this act
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Speaker 12: out and you need to act on it real quickly,
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Speaker 12: which Mimmi Day did. But like I said, it's all
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Speaker 12: good from mister andis calling the police to the police
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Speaker 12: acting quickly because who knows her intent was to have
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Speaker 12: as child killed, and she was going to carry you
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Speaker 12: out out one way or the other, and it was
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Speaker 12: stopped in time. And you give a lot of credit
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Speaker 12: to everybody involved in the case.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this baby was going to die one way
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Speaker 3: or the other.
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Speaker 2: As Pat Diaz just pointed out, take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our friends at CBS four.
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Speaker 13: Hi has sent an email to the folks at rent
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Speaker 13: a hitman dot com.
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Speaker 3: But the only man you'd.
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Speaker 13: See behind the screen is Bob Innis, who isn't a
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Speaker 13: killer but instead an IT specialist.
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Speaker 14: It amazes me at the number of requests the website
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Speaker 14: geinst on a monthly basis. It's shocking, it's scary.
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Speaker 13: He has dedicated much of his life to helping authorities
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Speaker 13: and tells me many of these mills or pranks, but
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Speaker 13: some requests, like Paz is ring a very different tune.
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Speaker 13: Investigator say, her email read the murder had to be
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Speaker 13: done by Thursday, and she quote wanted to get something
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Speaker 13: done once and for all, adding that the child needed
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Speaker 13: to be taken quote far far far away and possibly
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Speaker 13: be killed but asap, with a photo of the toddler attached.
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Speaker 13: The good news here is that that child is safe tonight.
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Speaker 13: But Pause has been charged with two felonies, one a
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Speaker 13: first degree murder and the other of unlawful use of
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Speaker 13: a device.
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Speaker 2: That would be conspiracy to commit first degree murder. Now,
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Speaker 2: believe it or not, this Miami Dade mom actually submits
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Speaker 2: pictures of her little boy and the specific location where
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Speaker 2: he would be to make it easier for the hitman
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Speaker 2: to commit murder.
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Speaker 3: Well, she's going straight to hell.
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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I hope with a little stop
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Speaker 2: at the penitentiary and now join me the creator of
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Speaker 2: rent a Hitman dot com, Bob Ennis. Bob, First, I've
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Speaker 2: got so many questions for you, but first I want
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Speaker 2: to address this particular case with mom Jasmine Piez.
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Speaker 3: What happened, Nancy?
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Speaker 15: Thank you for having me this morning. By the way,
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Speaker 15: so Jasmine visited the website and she filled out what's
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Speaker 15: known as a service request form in her own words
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Speaker 15: as to the who, when, where, why, and so on.
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Speaker 15: It was a Tuesday morning, about nine thirty in the
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Speaker 15: morning Pacific time when I received the email and I
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Speaker 15: read her information. She stated that she wanted to have
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Speaker 15: something done once and for all again to be taken far,
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Speaker 15: far and far away and possibly killed, but asat she
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Speaker 15: included a timeline that she wanted to have this done by.
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Speaker 15: She also included a photo of the child. And this
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Speaker 15: was not like any of the other requests that I
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Speaker 15: had received, So I immediately got on it and responded
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Speaker 15: to her within a couple of minutes, asking her if
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Speaker 15: she still required our services and wanted to have a
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Speaker 15: field operative contactor for a free consultation. She said yes,
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Speaker 15: she wanted to have a field operative contact her. So
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Speaker 15: I did a little bit more research, I was able
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Speaker 15: to verify the names and addresses, and considering the close
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Speaker 15: proximity within seven miles of where I ees allegedly lived
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Speaker 15: and where the child was, I realized that, you know,
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Speaker 15: this was a credible threat and that if I didn't act,
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Speaker 15: somebody else would have or could have, and the results
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Speaker 15: could certainly have been different.
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Speaker 2: So I had to do something or she would have
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Speaker 2: killed the child herself. Guys, you're hearing Bob innis the
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Speaker 2: creator of rent a hitman dot com And according to
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Speaker 2: not just Bob Inness, but authorities, police, LA law enforcement
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Speaker 2: investigators pretend that they're a hitman, and they contact Paez,
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Speaker 2: the mom, to find out more about her murderous plan,
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Speaker 2: and it was then that she agrees to pay three thousand.
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Speaker 3: Dollars to have her top boy murdered.
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Speaker 2: Three thousand dollars to have her top boy murdered, straight
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Speaker 2: back out to Pat Diaz, former Miami Dade cop homicide
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Speaker 2: detective now private investigator.
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Speaker 3: Pat.
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Speaker 2: They immediately and frantically began to try and match the
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Speaker 2: IP address that was used at rent hillman dot com
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Speaker 2: to find out where the computer is and hopefully where
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Speaker 2: she is.
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Speaker 3: How does that work?
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Speaker 12: Pat Well the technology nowadays is outstanding where we can
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Speaker 12: actually with the IP address and the phone number, you
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Speaker 12: can actually the police can actually ping the phone and
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Speaker 12: give you the exact address where that phone is located.
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Speaker 12: So between locating the IP address and pining that phone,
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Speaker 12: the police were able to hone in on what address
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Speaker 12: she was at at the time, even though they knew
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Speaker 12: she wasn't with the child, that the child was at
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Speaker 12: a different location. Their concern was to make sure they
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Speaker 12: get her exact location, and by pinging her phone they
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Speaker 12: were able to get the exact address and be able
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Speaker 12: to be on her right away.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and I pay address of course. Now I'm just
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Speaker 2: a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that stands for Internet provider.
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Speaker 2: Anybody can get your own IP address. You go to settings,
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Speaker 2: you select Wi Fi, you tap on the network to
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Speaker 2: which you're connected, and you find your IP address under
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Speaker 2: IPv four address. So if you can do it yourself,
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Speaker 2: can't everybody figure out that The cops can find your
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Speaker 2: IP address, they can figure out what computer it is,
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Speaker 2: where the computer is. Very often who owns the computer,
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Speaker 2: who bought the computer. It's like a fingerprint, It's like
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Speaker 2: a computer fingerprint to Kelly Hyman, a veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 2: out of Miami. Tracking IP addresses not hard at all.
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Speaker 2: How does it work?
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Speaker 11: Yes, So that is a really good point. So be
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Speaker 11: careful what you type because you can definitely, definitely track
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Speaker 11: everything that you do. In Nancy, you talk about how
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Speaker 11: you can go on your website and track of where
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Speaker 11: you are and where your location is. But there you
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Speaker 11: have to be really really careful of what you type
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Speaker 11: in or what you put in because you can be
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Speaker 11: definitely trapped.
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Speaker 2: And then the pinging, as Pat Diaz points out, even.
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Speaker 3: Here's a good example.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the mom Sherry Pepinie who goes missing.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we now later learn she staged the whole thing. Why.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Her husband used to find my iPhone like we all
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Speaker 2: do when we can't find our phone or iPad and
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Speaker 2: found the location. It's really easy. Pinging is not that
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Speaker 2: much more sophisticated than that very process.
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Speaker 3: So the phone.
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Speaker 2: That she uses to speak to the hit man who's
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Speaker 2: actually an investigator, is immediately pinged, the IP address is obtained,
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Speaker 2: and she's about halfway to a conviction. Right there, guys,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about a Florida mom who calls a hit
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Speaker 2: man to arrange the murder of her own three year
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Speaker 2: old top boy. Take a listen to Hour Cut eleven
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Speaker 2: from NBC six.
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Speaker 3: You were on a website.
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Speaker 2: You were on a website to hire a hit man?
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Speaker 3: What to kill her own child's to kill her own shot?
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Speaker 7: I didn't get that far.
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Speaker 8: Solicitation for murder and unlawful use of an electronic device.
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Speaker 8: These are the charges by his faces while standing before
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Speaker 8: a judge.
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Speaker 2: Back to you, Bob in his creator, I've rent a
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Speaker 2: hitman dot com. I know that you started the website
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Speaker 2: as a joke. Anybody that has any understanding of criminology,
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Speaker 2: you're lock and see that immediately. But a lot of
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Speaker 2: people don't get it. They want someone murdered and they
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Speaker 2: go to rent a hitman dot com. What types of
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Speaker 2: request have you seen since you started the website.
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Speaker 15: I've seen a lot. I can't say I've seen at
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Speaker 15: all because this obviously came out of nowhere, but you know,
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Speaker 15: generally have people that are, you know, upset, maybe they're
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Speaker 15: being bullied, maybe they're trying to get even with somebody
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Speaker 15: in their family or neighborhood or whatever the case is.
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Speaker 15: Some of these requests unfortunately, are from kids seeking retaliation
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Speaker 15: against you know, somebody else for abuse, whether physical or
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Speaker 15: what other kind of abuses there may be going on,
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Speaker 15: And you know, each one of these I have to
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Speaker 15: kind of feel out and find the best and most
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Speaker 15: reasonable solution. But yeah, I mean, the website does see
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Speaker 15: its fair share of craziness from people around the world
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Speaker 15: rather or seeking services which I clearly don't offer or
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Speaker 15: even condone.
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Speaker 2: What problem died you to start the website, and I'm
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Speaker 2: certainly glad that you did, But what prompted you to
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Speaker 2: do it?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, So the website was created for a most graduate
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Speaker 15: it startup specializing in penetration testing and risk analysis, with
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Speaker 15: hit pertaining to the being the key word pertaining to
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Speaker 15: visitor traffic and analytics. It was after business plans kind
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Speaker 15: of fizzled out. I put the domain on auction blocks
23:24
Speaker 15: and tried to sell it, tried to move it. Unfortunately
23:29
Speaker 15: at the time nobody was really interested in it. It
23:32
Speaker 15: took several years for it to take shape into what
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Speaker 15: it is today. And so there's a lot of desperate
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Speaker 15: people out there that have sought how to hire a
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Speaker 15: hit man online and they performed a Google and Yahoo searches,
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Speaker 15: they find the website, they see that it is a
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Speaker 15: well they may not see the parody in it, but
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Speaker 15: they see that it's a problem resolution type company, and
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Speaker 15: they feel compelled to leave their information.
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Speaker 2: Well, it goes through your mind when you see a
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Speaker 2: request that is legitimate, like the one cops say, Jasmine
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Speaker 2: Piez sent you to murder her child.
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Speaker 15: Her request was certainly different than a lot of them
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Speaker 15: that I see. She included details that I just could
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Speaker 15: not overlook. I couldn't put to the side the fact
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Speaker 15: that this person wanted to have a child murdered and
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Speaker 15: provided enough detail and a photograph of the child. I
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Speaker 15: just knew that this was something spectacular that I had
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Speaker 15: to get on right away.
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Speaker 2: Is it true that out of all of the compliance
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Speaker 2: or requests for murder for hire you get, you know
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Speaker 2: that one hundred and twenty four New Yorkers have used
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Speaker 2: your site?
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Speaker 15: That is true? That is true.
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Speaker 2: Must be really angry in New York, guys. Take a
25:05
Speaker 2: listen to our cut one our friends at Fox Too.
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Speaker 9: He started the very basic site in two thousand and
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Speaker 9: five as a class project, then left it.
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Speaker 3: A couple of years later. He opened the inbox.
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Speaker 15: I go back into the inlucks to check the emails,
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Speaker 15: and I'm just shot. There's two hundred and fifty or
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Speaker 15: three hundred emails from people around the world seeking that extraction.
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Speaker 9: He figured he could do some good, and it seems
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Speaker 9: he has getting two new murder for higher messages just
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Speaker 9: on Tuesday.
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Speaker 15: The fact that a nine dollars and twenty website has
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Speaker 15: prevented in one hundred and forty one murders. I never
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Speaker 15: would have seen this coming.
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Speaker 2: And also our friends at NBC six are cuts two
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Speaker 2: and three.
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Speaker 14: I saw the email, I just had a gut instinct
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Speaker 14: that this was a serious threat.
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Speaker 8: That is Robert Es a site webmaster Now, he says,
25:52
Speaker 8: RN's a hitman. Dot com is designed to prevent legitimate
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Speaker 8: solicitations to commit murders and intended to help law enforce.
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Speaker 14: There is a service request form that people can fill
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Speaker 14: out in their own words as to who, when, why.
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Speaker 8: He says some of these inquiries are jokes too, things
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Speaker 8: like wanting to kill cartoon characters. But in the case
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Speaker 8: against this mother suspected of wanting her three year old dead,
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Speaker 8: ess sew real concern.
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Speaker 14: Having the ability to research names and addresses and verify
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Speaker 14: that the intended target lived in a particular address. You
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Speaker 14: know that to me is a red flag. You know,
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Speaker 14: it's a nine dollars twenty cent website and for it
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Speaker 14: to have the ability to save lives nearly every day,
26:37
Speaker 14: it's ridiculous to you.
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Speaker 2: Bob Innes, the creator of rent a Hitman dot Com.
26:43
Speaker 2: Before now and your collision with Jasmine Pie is, have
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Speaker 2: you ever had a parent or anyone want to murder
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Speaker 2: a child?
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Speaker 15: Unfortunately yes, And in fact, early this year out of
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Speaker 15: Storm Lake, Iowa, there was a case involving a teenager,
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Speaker 15: a seventeen year old that wanted to have a seven
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Speaker 15: year old murder and that was promptly handed over to
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Speaker 15: the authorities there who found it credible and they investigated
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Speaker 15: it and they were able to make an arrest and
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Speaker 15: save that seven year old's life.
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Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking exactly of that case. Take listen
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Speaker 2: now our cut twenty four from our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 16: It's hard to imagine the grudge between a teenager and
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Speaker 16: a seven year old, but a seventeen year old Kansas
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Speaker 16: teen tried to hire a hitman to kill a seven
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Speaker 16: year old child. The teen visited rent a Hitman dot
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Speaker 16: Com and tried to hire a professional killer. Kansas police
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Speaker 16: say she visited the website at least twice and shared
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Speaker 16: information about the child, including their name and where they live.
27:52
Speaker 16: Police were contacted and an officer posing as a hitman
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Speaker 16: contacted the teenager. The teenager told the fake hit man
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Speaker 16: where to find the child and when they would be home.
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Speaker 16: Officers arrested the team the same day on a charge
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Speaker 16: of solicitation to commit murder. The child and their family
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Speaker 16: were not harmed and were unaware of the danger.
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Speaker 2: The same charges lodged in the present case where a
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Speaker 2: mom wants a hitman to murder her three year old
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Speaker 2: baby boy and across the country. You take a listen now,
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Speaker 2: we're cut seventeen from kdsu Oh Carmier.
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Speaker 17: Andrew Eskin, and Dalvin Wilson are now each facing one
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Speaker 17: count of criminal conspiracy to commit murder and one count
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Speaker 17: of attempted first degree murder. Cormier allegedly hired two of
28:34
Speaker 17: his friends to silence a rape victim to keep her
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Speaker 17: from testifying. The rape victim was not killed, and instead
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Speaker 17: someone else at the home. Britney Cormier and her neighbor,
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Speaker 17: Hope Nettleton, died as a result.
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Speaker 3: Of their injuries.
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Speaker 17: Investigators say the new charges stem from two prior incidents
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Speaker 17: when the suspects conducted surveillance on the home and attempted
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Speaker 17: to commit the crime.
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Speaker 2: So that hit man was successful except for one thing.
28:57
Speaker 2: He killed the wrong peace people. Hit man attempts happen
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Speaker 2: every day, and very often they're successful. Take a listen
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Speaker 2: hour cut eighteen from Como.
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Speaker 18: Court documents paint a deliberate and disturbing murder for higher scheme.
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Speaker 3: Belle You.
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Speaker 18: Police say Schaer and Kelly hired a seventeen year old
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Speaker 18: boy to murder her ex husband, Baron Lee, and offered
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Speaker 18: to pay the teenager thirteen thousand dollars. On the day
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Speaker 18: of the shooting in July, police say the seventeen year
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Speaker 18: old got his friend to drive him to the Overlook
29:29
Speaker 18: at Lakemont Apartments in Bellevue, where court documents say he
29:32
Speaker 18: was going to.
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Speaker 3: Cap someone and empty the clip.
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Speaker 18: Police say the seventeen year old gunman ambushed Lee, shooting
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Speaker 18: him nine times.
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Speaker 2: Nine times. That was to kill an ex husband. I'm
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Speaker 2: saying hits on mother in laws. Yeah, you know, I'm lucky.
29:51
Speaker 2: My mother in law, my husband's mom. We've known each
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Speaker 2: other since I was in college, never had one cross
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Speaker 2: word never. Well, I can't say that for everybody.
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Speaker 3: Take a list.
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Speaker 2: Now we're cut nineteen our forensic k Y.
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Speaker 19: Three investigators save Bauman wanted her ex mother in law
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Speaker 19: killed because she believed the woman was trying to interfere
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Speaker 19: in her relationship with her children. Now, Camden County Prosecutor
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Speaker 19: Caleb Cunningham says the Highway Patrol's Division of Drug and
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Speaker 19: Crime Control was contacted.
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Speaker 3: By a witness.
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Speaker 20: According to court documents, that witness was asked to hire
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Speaker 20: people to kill Bauman's ex mother in law. Records show
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Speaker 20: that witness recorded Bawman agreeing to pay fifteen hundred dollars
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Speaker 20: for people to make her ex mother in law's death
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Speaker 20: quote look like an accident. Her former mother in law
30:35
Speaker 20: was never injured. Bauman is in jail without bond.
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Speaker 3: You know that it was for fifteen hundred.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Bob inn Is joining us,
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Speaker 2: creator of a Hitman dot com.
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Speaker 3: Fifteen hundred.
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Speaker 2: That sounds like a bargain compared to what this mom
31:05
Speaker 2: was willing to pay Jasmine Pies to have her three
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Speaker 2: year old Todd murdered. She was in for three thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: How much do people offer to pay for a hit?
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Speaker 15: That's a great question and one that whenever I'm asked,
31:20
Speaker 15: I kind of let the solstener know that that is
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Speaker 15: for them to discuss with the field operative.
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Speaker 2: Do they ever put an amount in, Hey, I've got
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Speaker 2: to have this done for five grand or less.
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Speaker 15: It does happen occasionally where people have said, you know,
31:35
Speaker 15: a couple of thousand dollars, But again I kind of
31:38
Speaker 15: defer all of that to the field operative.
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Speaker 3: That's very wise.
31:43
Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is get tangled
31:44
Speaker 2: up with it would be killer guys. That's not all.
31:48
Speaker 2: Does the name Jennifer Emmy ring a bell? Because it
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Speaker 2: does for me? Take lesson to cut twenty one. Our
31:54
Speaker 2: friends at CBS for Denver.
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Speaker 21: Court documents say much of what Jennifer Emmy, who's also
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Speaker 21: known as Jennifer Edwards, much of what she said was
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Speaker 21: secretly recorded by the would be hitman.
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Speaker 14: Successful lawyer, beautiful family, and currently in jail on a
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Speaker 14: very serious allegation.
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Speaker 3: Her lawyer said Emmy may have overreacted, looked.
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Speaker 14: Like the model family and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 14: our husband trades are in for.
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Speaker 7: A younger girl.
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Speaker 15: I don't think it would surprise anybody that Jennifer.
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Speaker 14: Anybody in that situation would probably be pretty irate.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be irate.
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Speaker 2: I might change the lots on the doors and burn
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Speaker 2: all of David's clothes in the front yard.
32:29
Speaker 3: But hiring a hit man, that's a no, because.
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Speaker 2: That would be one thing that would guarantee me never
32:37
Speaker 2: seeing the twins again. Okay, it's about time for Karen Start.
32:40
Speaker 2: Psychologists to jump in help me out, Karen Start.
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Speaker 7: You know, I was thinking as you're talking that if
32:45
Speaker 7: Susan Smith were able to at that time find this website,
32:50
Speaker 7: she would have been very happy to get rid of
32:53
Speaker 7: her two kids through hire a hitman, because that was
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Speaker 7: the woman who felt that her kids were in the way,
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Speaker 7: and it just goes against what we conceive as human
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Speaker 7: nature that she wanted her kids dead and made sure
33:08
Speaker 7: they were dead because they were interfering with her social life.
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Speaker 2: My favorite, my personal favorite, of all the people that
33:17
Speaker 2: hire hitmen to kill someone, would have to be Dahlia
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Speaker 2: di Polito. Now, I remember her defense lawyers were mad
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Speaker 2: at me because I said she was a former escort.
33:29
Speaker 2: Didn't that Okay, Yeah, they're worried about her reputation being
33:34
Speaker 2: maligned while she's accused of planning a murder for hire. Hello, priorities,
33:42
Speaker 2: take a listen to hour cut A.
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Speaker 21: I'm Sergeant Ramsey. I'm going to call you. Thank you
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Speaker 21: to comment. I'm sorry to call you.
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Speaker 12: Listen.
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Speaker 21: We had a report of a disturbance at your house
33:50
Speaker 21: and there were shots fired as your husband, Michael, Okay,
33:54
Speaker 21: I'm sorry to tell you, man, he's been killed. He's
33:57
Speaker 21: been killed. Then try to calm down.
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Speaker 15: Right now.
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Speaker 6: We need to get you to the state.
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Speaker 22: We need to get you to a police I can't
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Speaker 22: let it, man, we have to do our job. If
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Speaker 22: you want to find his filler, Okay, we need you
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Speaker 22: to comment down. I'm gonna need you to go with
34:17
Speaker 22: these defectives.
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Speaker 12: Okay.
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Speaker 21: Is you have enemies? Is there anyone that would want to.
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Speaker 1: Hurt Okay, who would want to hurt him?
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Speaker 21: Witness he said he saw a black mail running from me.
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Speaker 21: I can't let you say him, mam maam. I cannot
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Speaker 21: do this right now, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I can't go, detective. I need you.
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Speaker 21: I need you to take it to the stations. I
34:35
Speaker 21: can't man go with these detections. If you want to
34:37
Speaker 21: help your husband. Okay, if you want to help your husband,
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Speaker 21: you need to go to the station with these gentlemen
34:42
Speaker 21: and tell us everything you know about who he knows,
34:44
Speaker 21: who he's connected to. Don't worry, We've already taken care
34:47
Speaker 21: of dogs with animal control for right now. Everything's under control.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: See, I could have cut that early and not heard
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, but I didn't. Just let me have
34:56
Speaker 2: one moment during crime stories where I can smile and even,
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Speaker 2: dare I say it laugh Her husband was not killed.
35:05
Speaker 2: Dahlia Dippolito had tried before to poison her husband with
35:08
Speaker 2: the Starbucks one of those you know, sugary ones.
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Speaker 3: That didn't work out.
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Speaker 2: So she hires a hit man, and of course the
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Speaker 2: hit man is an undercover agent, and they do a sting.
35:19
Speaker 2: They let her talk and talk and taught you hear
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Speaker 2: the cop informing her her husband's dad, and she breaks
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Speaker 2: down in tears. She actually bends over in half in
35:27
Speaker 2: all of her fake pain. Watch out, Meryl Streep. You
35:30
Speaker 2: think you're a great actress, You need to see Dahlia
35:33
Speaker 2: Dippolito in this performance of a lifetime.
35:36
Speaker 3: But I want you to hear more.
35:39
Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut for AABC twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: the undercover detective. He really wants to nail Dahlia, make
35:45
Speaker 2: sure he's got it on tape and on camera that
35:47
Speaker 2: she is really going to pay him to kill her husband.
35:51
Speaker 3: And he says, are you sure, Dahlia right now?
35:54
Speaker 15: And when it's done?
35:55
Speaker 11: You know, I'm an ober tender money.
35:58
Speaker 10: But if you tend of money now?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
36:00
Speaker 2: Did you hear that She's caught on video and asked
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Speaker 2: are you sure you want your husband kill? She goes
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Speaker 2: five thousand percent, Sure, I want him dead? Okay, not
36:11
Speaker 2: just one hundred percent, but five thousand percent. Well, she's convicted.
36:16
Speaker 2: Bob innis a creator of rent a hitman dot com.
36:21
Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered how many lives you've probably saved?
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Speaker 7: Yes?
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Speaker 15: I have, and you know, honestly, I kind of lose
36:32
Speaker 15: count right around one hundred and twenty. And that's that's
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Speaker 15: a worldwide figure. By the way, a great number of
36:39
Speaker 15: these cases were from Indonesia and some other parts.
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Speaker 10: Of the world.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I guess they're impressed by your seventeen thousand operatives
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Speaker 2: around the world.
36:51
Speaker 3: I mean, this is an incredible website. I've looked at
36:54
Speaker 3: it many many.
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Speaker 2: Times, Kelly Hyman, a veteran trial lawyer, joining us out
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Speaker 2: of the Florida' jurisdiction.
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Speaker 3: Where this goes down, what do you believe will happen?
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Speaker 10: Hopefully there will be potentially some kind of resolution for
37:11
Speaker 10: the family. Potentially there could be a potential plea deal
37:15
Speaker 10: as well. But no matter how you look at it,
37:17
Speaker 10: it is a very very sad case where a mother
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Speaker 10: wants her child killed.
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Speaker 3: Awful.
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Speaker 10: This can't you can't get any worse than that.
37:26
Speaker 11: A mother is supposed to love their child, to check
37:29
Speaker 11: their child, oversee the child, and for a mother to
37:32
Speaker 11: potentially want to do this is heartbreaking.
37:34
Speaker 2: I hope she doesn't catch any slack because she's a
37:38
Speaker 2: mom and somebody in the courtroom feel sorry for her.
37:40
Speaker 2: And I want to point out just earlier this year,
37:44
Speaker 2: a Tennessee Air National guardsman was arrested because he applied
37:49
Speaker 2: to be a hit man on the site. Just as
37:54
Speaker 2: recently as twenty twenty one, a Michigan woman used the
37:57
Speaker 2: website to hire a hitman for her ex husband with
38:00
Speaker 2: a five thousand dollars payout.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it goes on and on and on.
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Speaker 2: To you, Karen Stark, please do not tune up and
38:08
Speaker 2: tell me I should feel sorry for this mom, because
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 7: No, I'm not going to say that, Nancy. I haven't
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Speaker 7: been saying that all along. I think it's really different.
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Speaker 7: If we know that somebody has a mental illness, they're psychotic,
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Speaker 7: and they don't know any better. But it doesn't sound
38:22
Speaker 7: like this person didn't know any better. She went out
38:25
Speaker 7: of her way to try and hire a hitman.
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Speaker 3: And look, we both know because.
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Speaker 7: We've been doing this for a long time. Even though
38:34
Speaker 7: there might be hitmen who get away with actually accomplishing this.
38:39
Speaker 7: So often, if you go to another person and try
38:42
Speaker 7: and get them to do that, it's not going to
38:45
Speaker 7: work out, and they're going to tell somebody. Someone's going
38:47
Speaker 7: to find out. You're going to be caught. But she
38:51
Speaker 7: very clearly had evil intent in doing this and.
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Speaker 3: Not just intent.
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Speaker 2: Made the phone call and agreed to a price, sent
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Speaker 2: a photo of her tap boy to make sure they
39:02
Speaker 2: killed the right child. Those are overt acts under conspiracy laws.
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Speaker 2: She's charged with solicitation to commit murder. Pat Diaz joining
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Speaker 2: US former Miami Day Police homicide detective now private investigator
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Speaker 2: at South flpi dot com. Pat if Bob Innis had
39:23
Speaker 2: not caught this and contacted police, we may be looking at.
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Speaker 3: The dead body of a three year old baby boy.
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Speaker 12: I thank one hundred percent. That's why I gave him
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Speaker 12: credit from the beginning, because you know, based on her
39:37
Speaker 12: actions that her intent was to kill her child. And
39:42
Speaker 12: if it didn't work on the website, then the next
39:45
Speaker 12: thing was to find somebody on the street to do it.
39:47
Speaker 12: So kudles to him, who's the website? Because he took action.
39:52
Speaker 12: This definitely was an individual with the intent. And based
39:55
Speaker 12: on her action, this was between text messages and community
40:01
Speaker 12: and good police work that she was taken off the
40:03
Speaker 12: street quickly. But I think herd test in the beginning
40:06
Speaker 12: was to have her child murdered brother one way or
40:08
Speaker 12: the other.
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Speaker 2: You know, I remember, Bob Ennis, when I was reading
40:13
Speaker 2: every single one of the Harry Potter books to the children,
40:16
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much you know about that.
40:17
Speaker 3: I sadly know everything there is to know.
40:21
Speaker 2: But Voldemort, the antagonist murdered people and every time he
40:26
Speaker 2: murdered someone, his soul would split. That causes your soul
40:31
Speaker 2: to split. And I remember reading that to the children.
40:35
Speaker 2: You know, editing out parts I thought were really really scary.
40:39
Speaker 2: And they said, why does your soul split in half
40:42
Speaker 2: when you kill somebody? And I said, because it's the
40:47
Speaker 2: worst thing in the world in the universe to take
40:52
Speaker 2: away God's most precious gift and that is your life.
40:58
Speaker 2: And we're you know, kicking this around, kind of laughing
41:01
Speaker 2: about this. You know that because it was a failed attempt,
41:05
Speaker 2: we're not dealing with a three year old boy's dead body,
41:08
Speaker 2: thanks to mommy. But when you think about what these
41:12
Speaker 2: people are coldly planning to murder someone and pay money
41:18
Speaker 2: to have it done, it's really chilling.
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Speaker 15: Really, it really is scary. And now these people do
41:29
Speaker 15: live and walk amongst us. I mean, it's really really terrible,
41:36
Speaker 15: it really is.
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Speaker 2: And thank the Lord in Heaven you manage to stop
41:41
Speaker 2: this attempt on a three year old boy's life. Nicole
41:44
Speaker 2: Parton joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What's
41:48
Speaker 2: next for mommy Jasmine Piez.
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Speaker 6: Well, she's going to be returning to court to face
41:53
Speaker 6: these allegations and hopefully she'll receive the justice that's coming
41:57
Speaker 6: to her. It's kind of ironic to hear the why
42:01
Speaker 6: she did this. She told police that she was in
42:04
Speaker 6: a romantic relationship with someone who didn't like the fact
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Speaker 6: that she had a child and that had caused to
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Speaker 6: break up, and so she was planning to kill her
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Speaker 6: child so that she could rekindle that romantic relationship with
42:18
Speaker 6: this person.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what Karen Stark said earlier. The motivation of
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Speaker 2: Susan Smith. Well, we wait as just as unfolds. If
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Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything about this investigation,
42:32
Speaker 2: please call three zero five four seven one eight four
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Speaker 2: seven seven.
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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend.