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Let Your Plan B Support Plan A · Do Music Differently

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Speaker 1: Reveal the rules. Rewrite your future on your own terms.
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Speaker 1: The conversation starts now. Welcome to Do Music Differently with
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Speaker 1: Heidselin on W4WN Radio. Hey, everybody. I am Heidselin, and
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Speaker 1: I am so excited to be with you here again.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about another rule. This one's near and
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Speaker 1: dear to my heart because... I've lived this one and
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Speaker 1: personally feel like I lost some good music years because
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Speaker 1: of this rule. But I have a special guest who
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Speaker 1: is going to walk us through to the other side
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Speaker 1: of this rule rewrite today. And the old rule that
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Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about today is if you're
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Speaker 1: going to work in the music industry, it means you're
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Speaker 1: going to struggle. You should accept that. It's not a
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Speaker 1: real or dependable career. So you need to live in
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Speaker 1: plan B and accept that success is nearly impossible. Gosh,
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Speaker 1: and like, I really did listen to this rule. When
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Speaker 1: I was 16, 17, 18, I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to be when I grow up. And
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Speaker 1: I really, really just, I didn't want to accept it
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Speaker 1: because when I did, I was really depressed about it.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't want it to be that way. And
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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way is what I
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Speaker 1: figured out. And that's also what our guest Landon has
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Speaker 1: figured out. Come on out here, Landon. Let's introduce you
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Speaker 1: to everybody.
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Speaker 2: Hi, how you doing? My name is Landon, aka Love
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Speaker 2: Song Land, or Landon Thomas. How y'all feeling?
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm so glad you are here with me. We
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Speaker 1: didn't meet all that long ago and we are just
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Speaker 1: like a big, excited ball of energy with ideas of
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Speaker 1: ways that, well, we can create together. And more importantly,
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Speaker 1: that we can create some revenue streams together. Right?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Like we're, we're definitely, um, I would say locked in
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Speaker 3: on multiple ideas, um, multiple ways that we can be
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Speaker 3: creative and expand our careers.
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Speaker 2: Um, and it's awesome.
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Speaker 3: Like the moment that we met, we were able to
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Speaker 3: come up with a bunch of ideas and brainstorm, and
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Speaker 3: it's been a bunch of, um, different ways that we
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Speaker 3: could flesh it out since then.
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Speaker 1: So we're kind of talking about, um, plan a versus
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Speaker 1: plan B today and, you know, whether or not you
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Speaker 1: should have this. And as a strategist, I am totally
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Speaker 1: behind having multiple plans. However, what I've noticed is. is
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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't always have the strategy behind
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Speaker 1: their plans. It's just, well, the plan is I'm going
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Speaker 1: to work this really boring 40 hour a week job
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Speaker 1: and that is going to pay my bills. And then
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Speaker 1: it also is going to suck the life out of me.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to have any time for my
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Speaker 1: music or creating. And it's just going to be kind
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Speaker 1: of kind of crazy. So we're going to talk more
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Speaker 1: about that experience coming up in this episode, your experience
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Speaker 1: with this. But before we get into that, I want
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Speaker 1: to hear more about your background and kind of what
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Speaker 1: you've been working on and what you've accomplished today.
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Speaker 2: All right. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: So first thing first, I've been making music or singing
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Speaker 3: since I was four. I've been writing music since I
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Speaker 3: would say I was 12 years old. Recording it is
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Speaker 3: a whole different story because I started, you know, more
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Speaker 3: so when I was around 17.
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Speaker 2: I've been in a rock band. I've been with a
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Speaker 2: rap group.
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Speaker 3: I've been with multiple different layers of making music from
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Speaker 3: every band.
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Speaker 2: That you could think possible.
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Speaker 3: When I was doing so early, especially between 17 and 18,
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Speaker 3: I would perform a lot locally in Pittsburgh. And then
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Speaker 3: performing a lot locally in Pittsburgh allowed me to actually
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Speaker 3: get my music into a movie. Which at the time,
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Speaker 3: it was a fun thing that happened because the owner
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Speaker 3: of the bar that I was sitting at, he knew
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Speaker 3: the people that were making the movie. The movie went
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Speaker 3: on to actually win Sundance Film Festival that year. And
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Speaker 3: then they sold it to Fox Searchlight. So I got
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Speaker 3: some money from it, but I still get royalties from
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Speaker 3: it too. But it also helped in a lot of
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Speaker 3: different ways. Around that same year and me learning about this,
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Speaker 3: it allowed me to actually build an independent label structure
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Speaker 3: with Symphonic Distribution, which has been acting as my partner
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Speaker 3: for about the last, I.
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Speaker 2: Would say, decade now.
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Speaker 3: And at the time, I had a full time job
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Speaker 3: like I'm working at a call center this whole time,
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Speaker 3: 40 hours a week. Same thing, like you were saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, and then from there I would shift and
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Speaker 3: go straight to the studio or straight somewhere else. And
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Speaker 3: then I have a daughter, so I would go, you know,
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Speaker 3: take care of my daughter, then go to the studio,
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Speaker 3: go do a show, you know, have to have these
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Speaker 3: margin of rules that were set with work. But throughout that,
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Speaker 3: it allowed me to do a lot. It allowed me
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Speaker 3: to open up for acts that were, you know, that
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Speaker 3: I championed my whole life, like Jagged Edge, Genuine. It
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Speaker 3: allowed me to get in touch with engineers. It allowed
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Speaker 3: me to actually get in Vab magazine, which Quincy Jones
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Speaker 3: used to own Vab magazine, Apple Music, a bunch of
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Speaker 3: other things that I've been featuring on and hitting nearly
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Speaker 3: 2 million streams. I've had a, I would say in music,
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of like what they call a journeyman because
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Speaker 3: I've been through all different phases up to this point.
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Speaker 3: With one of my last things, getting my degree in
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Speaker 3: audio engineering and now working as an account manager at
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Speaker 3: a studio, which it is a day job, but it's
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Speaker 3: a fun day job because it's me doing creativity.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right. And I mean, some people, they want
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Speaker 1: to all be like, okay, well, you can't make money
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Speaker 1: in music if you are just singing or just playing
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Speaker 1: drums or just playing guitar or, okay, I get that.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. But I'm also going to
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Speaker 1: argue that nowadays you can't just work a 40 hour
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Speaker 1: a week job and not think about a side hustle
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Speaker 1: or part-time job or something like that. Everyone has to
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Speaker 1: have multiple income streams to make it work. So, you know, it's,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about my strategy for what plan B
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Speaker 1: looks like to support my plan A, which is making
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Speaker 1: music and singing. Plan B is all of the other
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Speaker 1: stuff I like doing because I'm not completely one-sided like that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I like to do a lot of, a
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Speaker 1: lot of other things besides just singing, make music. I
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Speaker 1: also like to go listen to music. I like to
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Speaker 1: talk to other musicians and you know, Making videos and
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Speaker 1: film and stuff is fun. So the more you start
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Speaker 1: going out and creating, I've found the more little projects
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Speaker 1: you get to experiment with and find out another aspect
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Speaker 1: of your personality that you're like, wow, I really love
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Speaker 1: spending time working on this kind of project. Exactly.
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Speaker 3: And also what you said, I want to even extend
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Speaker 3: a little bit further on like the 40 hour a week,
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Speaker 3: you might need a side hustle project. It's kind of
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Speaker 3: like we live in a time where you might not
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Speaker 3: even necessarily be able to get a good 40-hour-a-week job
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Speaker 3: that's paying. You might as well follow your dreams and go.
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Speaker 2: For what you want to go for.
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Speaker 3: Because within what we have, this climate, the economy, with technology,
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Speaker 3: the change is there. There's so many things that are possible,
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Speaker 3: but also so many things that can be a hindrance
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Speaker 3: at this particular point. So I would say you might
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Speaker 3: as well just go for it. You might as well
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Speaker 3: shoot for the stars at this point.
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Speaker 2: Because.
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Speaker 3: if you don't, and even if you like, if you're
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Speaker 3: comfortable working a job, a lot of times you will
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Speaker 3: always wonder what if, if you don't try, you know,
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Speaker 3: a lot of times it's, you know, that's the big thing.
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Speaker 3: That's the difference between people who actually make it successful
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Speaker 3: or find happiness is, Hey.
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Speaker 2: I tried, you know, I tried, I made the attempt.
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Speaker 2: I made the leap of faith.
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Speaker 3: And then if you, you know, no matter how it
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Speaker 3: works out, no matter where you land, I think we've
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Speaker 3: had this conversation before about, look, Failing forward is an
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Speaker 3: important part of what we do. It's an important part
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Speaker 3: of what everybody does, because if you're not able to
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Speaker 3: make those mistakes and kind of learn from them and
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Speaker 3: build or calculate, rebuild, restructure and try again or decide, hey,
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Speaker 3: I tried. This may not be for me, you know,
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Speaker 3: but you have to make the choice. You have to
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Speaker 3: experience it. If you never get the opportunity to experience it, then.
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Speaker 3: you'll never know what the possibilities are. So you're always
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Speaker 3: going to wonder, and that can end up being a
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Speaker 3: regret too. I would say my grandmother was a singer.
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Speaker 3: My mom is still a singer, a band singer.
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Speaker 2: She likes to make music.
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Speaker 3: She'll come down here at some point and come record
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Speaker 3: a song or do a video or something that she
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Speaker 3: wants to do because it's still her passion.
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Speaker 2: My mom is.
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Speaker 3: Like 62, and she still loves to do it. She'll
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Speaker 3: still go on stage and sing, especially if I invite her.
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Speaker 3: So it's wonderful to be able to see that happen,
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Speaker 3: but it's also like, hey, you're trying something. You're still
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Speaker 3: making the attempt. You're still able to get on stage.
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Speaker 3: It's just something that you love after all this time.
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Speaker 3: And a lot of people just kind of give up
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Speaker 3: on that. like I know so many people who are
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Speaker 3: just kind of like working a job that they dislike
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Speaker 3: all day and it's just what they have to do
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Speaker 3: and not focusing on trying to build anything else um
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Speaker 3: and I think it's important for you to try if
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Speaker 3: you never try you never fail or you never fall
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Speaker 3: then you never learn how it feels to get.
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Speaker 1: Up yeah and and You know, some of these things
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Speaker 1: we were talking about when we were having this conversation
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Speaker 1: about the word failure, you know, we're just brought up
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Speaker 1: that that's just a bad word. And then when things
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Speaker 1: don't go your way, well, that's the word that we
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Speaker 1: use for it. And even simply just leaving that connotation
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Speaker 1: in the way that we learned it to mean that
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Speaker 1: sometimes that'll keep people from trying at all because they're
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Speaker 1: so afraid of the big F. And what is that
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Speaker 1: going to mean when people see this happen? What are
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Speaker 1: they going to think about me? And what is that
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Speaker 1: going to mean for this career I'm trying to build
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Speaker 1: and things like that? When you were getting started and
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Speaker 1: building all this stuff, you had your full-time job and
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Speaker 1: you're doing all of this stuff besides. What helped you
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Speaker 1: get through those kind of thoughts?
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Speaker 2: So first off, I would say this. I want to
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Speaker 2: start with this.
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Speaker 3: Society itself is kind of a downer because society tells
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Speaker 3: you that you have to live a certain way. And
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Speaker 3: then you figure out in the long run that nobody
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Speaker 3: lives the way that society tries to dictate for them.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Um, like I haven't met one person in my life
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Speaker 3: who even has got the big job that, you know,
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Speaker 3: you're supposed to have that has.
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Speaker 2: Necessarily been happy with what they got. You know what
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Speaker 2: I mean? Um, and it's kind of the irony.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of a cruel irony because you start to
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Speaker 3: realize that you haven't drawn out that noise.
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Speaker 2: I think initially my big thing.
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Speaker 3: Was, um, I'm a rebel and, uh, you know, for, um,
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Speaker 3: lack of a better term where you can't tell me
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Speaker 3: I can't do something.
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Speaker 2: Don't tell me I can't.
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Speaker 3: Don't tell me I won't also, because at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, I'm going to figure you'll figure out.
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Speaker 3: I have the balls. I'm going to make sure that
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Speaker 3: I figure out what I want to figure out. And
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Speaker 3: I'm going to prove you wrong. You know, that's the
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Speaker 3: reason why it was so easy for me to go
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Speaker 3: and hit these certain marks that other people couldn't hit
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Speaker 3: really quickly, especially in a town that is not known
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Speaker 3: for technology. doing anything as far as R & B music.
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Speaker 3: Like we've had maybe one big, maybe one or two
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Speaker 3: big successes come from my city, you know? Um, and
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Speaker 3: then they either plateaued at a certain point or they're
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Speaker 3: just no longer here. You know, um, it it's people
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Speaker 3: that I always say that are either hitting or forgotten. So, um,
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Speaker 3: For us, I think success, especially from Pittsburgh, it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like it's what they like to call blighted. You know,
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Speaker 3: they kind of taken they've taken it away from, you know,
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Speaker 3: most people are like blue collar workers, blue collar city.
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Speaker 3: So seeing somebody do something outside of that is kind
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Speaker 3: of like an impossibility, you know. And for me, I
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Speaker 3: like impossible. I like a challenge. Like I've always, even then,
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Speaker 3: like you can even ask my dating track record. Like
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Speaker 3: I like a challenge. Um, but for the most part
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Speaker 3: is for me, it's about being able to break these
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Speaker 3: barriers down. You know, um, I don't like living in
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Speaker 3: a certain bound. So, um, I would definitely say what
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Speaker 3: kept me gone is look, um, I am, I want
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Speaker 3: to make this happen and nobody could tell me how to,
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Speaker 3: how I should live and how, what I should do
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Speaker 3: and that I should stop, you know? Um, and that's
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Speaker 3: an important part of everybody's journey is look, um, I
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Speaker 3: can do this. I know I can do it. You
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Speaker 3: can't tell me I can't do it. So don't try
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Speaker 3: to tell me I can't do it. Cause I'm going
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Speaker 3: to do it anyway.
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Speaker 1: So how old were you when you, uh, got this
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Speaker 1: resolve and you were like, Hmm, I'm just doing it.
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Speaker 3: I would say, so I've been told since like the
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Speaker 3: ninth grade, like, like I remember matter of fact, probably
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Speaker 3: even earlier than that.
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Speaker 1: I remember.
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Speaker 2: Being singing in school. And, oh, so do you want
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Speaker 2: to be a singer? You know you're not going to
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Speaker 2: take it. And, like, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Like, that would be something that... And it's weird to
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Speaker 3: say because it's like a teenager would say that.
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Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean? As a teenager, a
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Speaker 2: teenager says that to another teenager. And it's like, huh. Like,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of fickle. Like, because it's like, where do
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Speaker 2: you think your life is going to go?
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Speaker 3: If that's the case, you know? Like, it's like, don't
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Speaker 3: limit the possibilities on what I can do because... You
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Speaker 3: don't know what my capabilities are. So even then, it
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Speaker 3: was just kind of like, I'm not hearing you. I
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Speaker 3: can do what I want to do in life, and
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Speaker 3: I'm going to make it.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: I remember even then, being 18 and older, I remember
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Speaker 3: being in a relationship and somebody asking me what I
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Speaker 3: want to do in my life, even though I'm actively
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Speaker 3: singing and actively doing shows. It's clear what I want
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Speaker 3: to do in my life. And then I remember her
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Speaker 3: saying like, no, what, what do you like this? No,
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Speaker 3: what do you want to do? Like, it wasn't something
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Speaker 3: that was real. And it's like, I know what I
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Speaker 3: want to do. You don't like the answer. So why
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Speaker 3: are we having this discussion?
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Um, and I've had that
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Speaker 2: happen before.
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Speaker 3: Where, you know, dating, um, just in general friendships where
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Speaker 3: people are in music, but not really in music or
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Speaker 3: don't really want to be there, but they just kind
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Speaker 3: of like are there because they like it, but they
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Speaker 3: don't really believe in the possibility of what they could
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Speaker 3: get to, you know? And you start to realize like
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Speaker 3: even this late on where I'll do something that seems
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Speaker 3: impossible and everybody else will feel like it's fictional because
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Speaker 3: they never seen or thought it could actually happen.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, that result.
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Speaker 1: Not only could it not happen to them, but there's
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Speaker 1: no way somebody that I know in my circle of
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Speaker 1: influence could do something like that either. Exactly. That's like
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Speaker 1: the message that I get sometimes. Like, really, you guys, like,
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Speaker 1: don't you have any imagination? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Nine times out of 10, they don't. You start to
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Speaker 3: realize a lot of people don't have imagination or really
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Speaker 3: not even just so much not imagination. They don't believe
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Speaker 3: in themselves enough. to reach their own goals. So no
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Speaker 3: way they're going to be.
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Speaker 1: And when you talk about belief, whatever you believe to
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Speaker 1: be true becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And it's crazy how it works. Like, I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to say it again. Whatever you believe to be true
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Speaker 1: becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. take that sentence and start looking
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Speaker 1: back at some of the things that you believed about
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Speaker 1: your life or what you could accomplish and see where
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Speaker 1: you're sitting now. And I've done that before. And I'm like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: that makes a hundred percent sense as to why I
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Speaker 1: am sitting right here right now and not off doing
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Speaker 1: all kinds of music stuff and recording in the studio.
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Speaker 1: And yes, I can see why it's my beliefs. A
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Speaker 1: lot of the time that have been holding me back. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So tell me, tell me more. Okay. So you, um,
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Speaker 1: are like talking to some people that now music is
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Speaker 1: for everybody. And I think there's different levels of music.
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Speaker 1: We've got your, your people that love listening. We've got
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Speaker 1: your listening and watching. You've got your people that are
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Speaker 1: hobbyists that like to participate, but like are, um, not
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Speaker 1: looking to spend all of their time surrounded by music.
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Speaker 1: And then we've got the people that are just completely passionate.
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Speaker 1: And if music was everything, that would be the best.
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Speaker 1: So I think you mentioned something really important there in
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Speaker 1: between the lines. You were talking to people about what
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Speaker 1: you wanted to do with music that were just maybe
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Speaker 1: the hobbyists or just the music listeners. But at the
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Speaker 1: time you probably weren't talking to the people that were
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Speaker 1: out doing the stuff, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no. Because, um, you start to realize that
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Speaker 3: people who actually can do this stuff, um, will tell
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Speaker 3: you exactly how to do the stuff or exactly tell
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Speaker 3: you what you need to do to make yourself better.
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Speaker 3: Like I have, um, I have a friendship with this guy. Um,
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Speaker 3: his name is Maurice. Um, but Maurice, he worked on
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Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies ever, probably the first movie
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Speaker 3: that made me want to make a I didn't even
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Speaker 3: know this until I actually had a conversation with him,
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Speaker 3: but I sat down with him. But what I knew
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Speaker 3: him from was he was a part of this group
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Speaker 3: called Crave in my city. Now Crave was like the
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Speaker 3: only R & B act that I knew growing up
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Speaker 3: where it was like, I'd go listen to the radio
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Speaker 3: and then they had a record deal. They had all
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Speaker 3: these things and people knew who they were. And at
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Speaker 3: the time, whenever I figured out that they knew who
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Speaker 3: I was, I was shocked.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Um, and then one of the guys just came one
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Speaker 3: day and he sat at my dining room table with
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Speaker 3: me and we had a good conversation and you start
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Speaker 3: to realize like, yeah, like he may not be in
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Speaker 3: music anymore, but he's seen the success and he knows
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Speaker 3: how to get there in certain ways. So he'll still
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Speaker 3: call me, check on me, send me Instagram messages, um,
19:32
Speaker 3: different things also, because like, you know, he's a friend
19:35
Speaker 3: of mine. I consider him somebody who is a mentor.
19:39
Speaker 3: And then the lead singer does the exact same thing.
19:41
Speaker 3: Like now I know his daughter who I didn't know
19:44
Speaker 3: his daughter was almost around or like closer, you know,
19:46
Speaker 3: like I'm in the gap between near ages um, where
19:50
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like his little brother, but would be
19:52
Speaker 3: considered like still at the age where I could be
19:54
Speaker 3: her big brother, which is like, you know, it's kind
19:57
Speaker 3: of a weird thing, but it's, um, it's funny because
20:02
Speaker 3: like talking to them, you start to realize like, you
20:04
Speaker 3: could do this, like it's success in this. Isn't so
20:07
Speaker 3: much of a will they or won't they or leave
20:11
Speaker 3: fate by chance? You know, it is a tenacity thing,
20:16
Speaker 3: you know? We were just talking, I saw Seth Rogen
20:19
Speaker 3: talk about, I think it was dude who played Magneto.
20:23
Speaker 3: It was like, nobody knew who he was till he
20:25
Speaker 3: was 60, but he kept going and he was diligent
20:28
Speaker 3: with it, you know? And now he's the Magneto that
20:31
Speaker 3: everybody loves because he stayed diligent. He worked out his
20:36
Speaker 3: craft and he perfected his craft in a way. And
20:40
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't consider trying to do that
20:43
Speaker 3: or trying to find their audience or thinking that, you know,
20:46
Speaker 3: being so, there's so much that it happens due to
20:49
Speaker 3: laziness and sheer, just not disbelief in oneself. You know,
20:56
Speaker 3: like you said before, like it's, you are what you
20:58
Speaker 3: call yourself.
20:59
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Words are spells.
21:02
Speaker 3: We know that with music, because a lot of times
21:04
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times when I wrote
21:07
Speaker 3: a song from my imagination, and fleshed it out and
21:11
Speaker 3: everything in my imagination appeared from that song or in reverse,
21:15
Speaker 3: you know, you write based on life, but then it's like,
21:17
Speaker 3: sometimes I put myself in an infinite loop because I'm
21:20
Speaker 3: writing a song about this subject. And this is what
21:23
Speaker 3: I'm going through at the moment, but also because I'm
21:26
Speaker 3: speaking in words or spells, it's kind of like, I'm
21:29
Speaker 3: bringing myself into exactly what I'm talking about, you know? Um,
21:35
Speaker 3: which is like, again, why now, whenever I talk to you,
21:37
Speaker 3: I talk to anybody, it's about more what we can do,
21:40
Speaker 3: the possibilities of what we can do, what can happen, um,
21:43
Speaker 3: what we.
21:44
Speaker 2: Could build here.
21:45
Speaker 3: Um, let's build it, um, more so positivity because you
21:49
Speaker 3: start to realize, look, the more I talk negative about situations, um,
21:53
Speaker 3: the less likely it is to happen. The more I go, look,
21:57
Speaker 3: I'm going to get it regardless. I'm going to figure
21:59
Speaker 3: this out. Um, regardless of what happens, I'm going to
22:03
Speaker 3: be okay. You know, even if you have a down moment,
22:06
Speaker 3: it's about figuring out a way to I'm not going
22:10
Speaker 3: to I am not going.
22:12
Speaker 2: To end my journey here with my mouth. You know
22:15
Speaker 2: what I mean?
22:16
Speaker 3: Or I'm not going to downsize what I'm doing to
22:20
Speaker 3: make anybody else feel better because they're not trying to
22:23
Speaker 3: do it. You know, a lot of people don't or
22:26
Speaker 3: won't believe in what you're doing.
22:28
Speaker 2: And that's OK.
22:29
Speaker 3: Because everybody has their own journey. Everybody has their own
22:34
Speaker 3: life and what they're trying to build. But it doesn't
22:36
Speaker 3: necessarily mean that that's your journey and your life. I
22:40
Speaker 3: always thought, look, I can't base what I'm going to
22:44
Speaker 3: be off of what you're not.
22:46
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What you eat doesn't make
22:48
Speaker 2: me shit. I'm sorry. Excuse my language. But that's the truth.
22:53
Speaker 3: It doesn't do whatever somebody else calls themselves, whatever they believe,
22:58
Speaker 3: that's them. It has nothing to do with, you know,
23:01
Speaker 3: that is their own personal issue. And you start to
23:03
Speaker 3: realize that, look, perception is their perception. My perception is math.
23:08
Speaker 3: I don't share the same outlook on life as somebody else.
23:12
Speaker 3: So why should I bother or care what they think
23:16
Speaker 3: when I've proven to myself a thousand times that I've
23:19
Speaker 3: seen glimpses of major success more than enough? You know,
23:24
Speaker 3: I've seen glimpses and validation that I belong here. So
23:28
Speaker 3: why would I believe anybody else in what I'm doing
23:30
Speaker 3: when I know that I can do this? Because I've
23:33
Speaker 3: done certain things, like, you know, the proof keeps coming
23:36
Speaker 3: up in my life. You know, anytime that I would
23:39
Speaker 3: have been ready to give up, something happens and it's like, oh,
23:43
Speaker 3: you're really good at this and you could do this.
23:45
Speaker 3: So I take it as a positive. I think me
23:48
Speaker 3: and you were talking the other day about, yeah, like
23:50
Speaker 3: failing forward and manifesting these things in your life about
23:53
Speaker 3: what you wanted to do. And I told you like, look,
23:55
Speaker 3: everything I said that I wanted to do or accomplish
23:58
Speaker 3: in a certain type of way, it starts to present
24:01
Speaker 3: itself in opportunities.
24:02
Speaker 2: It might not be the most ideal.
24:04
Speaker 3: Time, but it's being able to figure out how I'm
24:07
Speaker 3: going to get there and preparing for it, even if
24:11
Speaker 3: it takes a little bit of exhaustion.
24:13
Speaker 2: Because some of this stuff is exhausting to get there.
24:16
Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt that there's a lot of work
24:18
Speaker 1: involved in everything that you've been working on up to
24:22
Speaker 1: this point.
24:23
Speaker 2: Right.
24:24
Speaker 1: And- What we're talking about here on Do Music Differently
24:28
Speaker 1: is exactly what you were saying, that everyone is different.
24:34
Speaker 1: So why should you follow someone else's strategy? Yes, maybe
24:38
Speaker 1: it worked for them. Yes, there is a pattern maybe
24:41
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But does it make sense for you?
24:45
Speaker 1: And this is the kind of stuff that we're breaking
24:48
Speaker 1: down in this podcast today. We are going to take
24:53
Speaker 1: a really quick break, but when we come back, we
24:56
Speaker 1: are going to be wrapping up this rule rewrite. You
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25:32
Speaker 1: Differently on W4WN Radio. Alright everybody, today we're talking about
25:41
Speaker 1: a rule that is especially for all of you out
25:44
Speaker 1: there that are musicians, that have that music spark in
25:48
Speaker 1: your heart. You are never going to put music down.
25:51
Speaker 1: You have that tenacity, but you know what? That 40
25:55
Speaker 1: hour a week job is not making you happy. It's
25:59
Speaker 1: taking away from your music projects. It might be paying
26:03
Speaker 1: the bills right now, but it might not even be
26:05
Speaker 1: doing that. So if you're feeling me on this, what
26:09
Speaker 1: we're trying to get you to open your mind up
26:12
Speaker 1: to see, to believe a little bit more in yourself
26:15
Speaker 1: is that you have a lot of talents and skills
26:18
Speaker 1: that you've picked up over the years while you've been
26:21
Speaker 1: working that plan B job. And this might be your
26:27
Speaker 1: wake up call message right now to start thinking about
26:32
Speaker 1: what small steps you can start taking to flip it,
26:37
Speaker 1: What if you could only work, you were working like
26:39
Speaker 1: 20 hours a week at like your paid hourly job,
26:44
Speaker 1: but you were working 40 hours a week on music projects.
26:47
Speaker 1: Like what if you could just sweep it, sweep it,
26:51
Speaker 1: switch it? Like, wouldn't that even be better? Or what if,
26:55
Speaker 1: what if one day you could work four days a
26:57
Speaker 1: week instead of five days a week and have that
27:00
Speaker 1: one day a week to do music? It's not all
27:02
Speaker 1: about like, Jumping into a music career. It's something that
27:06
Speaker 1: you build over time. And Landon is a great example
27:10
Speaker 1: of how you had that 40 hour a week job.
27:13
Speaker 1: And then you started just picking away at what is
27:19
Speaker 1: the next step? What is the next step for me
27:21
Speaker 1: to get there? And you had just a tremendous amount
27:25
Speaker 1: of accomplishments, even with children. And, and family and all
27:30
Speaker 1: of the other stuff that you were doing that, not
27:32
Speaker 1: even music stuff outside of work. So, um, I want
27:37
Speaker 1: to hear more about, so you decided to go back
27:39
Speaker 1: to school, which is another argument. Like some people are like,
27:42
Speaker 1: you have to go to school for stuff. Why don't
27:44
Speaker 1: you go into school for music stuff? So what, what
27:47
Speaker 1: made you decide that this was going to be something
27:49
Speaker 1: that was going to benefit your strategy for where you
27:52
Speaker 1: wanted to go?
27:53
Speaker 3: So, um, I would say process of being able to
27:57
Speaker 3: work and productivity. um, in Pittsburgh, I had my own engineer.
28:01
Speaker 3: I decided to move to Jacksonville because of my daughter.
28:03
Speaker 3: And I also needed to be more self-sufficient in my
28:06
Speaker 3: own music and be able to record myself. Um, which
28:10
Speaker 3: honestly has kind of been working out great. I just
28:12
Speaker 3: did two features, um, within the past few weeks that
28:16
Speaker 3: were asked of me to do. So I was able
28:17
Speaker 3: to just go in there and do it how I
28:19
Speaker 3: want to, but also it's been a network.
28:23
Speaker 2: It's been a benefit and a blessing or so.
28:26
Speaker 3: Um, but, um, The initial thought was, look, I want
28:30
Speaker 3: to be able to record at home, right? Or record
28:33
Speaker 3: anywhere else that I want to record or be able
28:36
Speaker 3: to go to a studio and record myself and know
28:38
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. Because you'll go in, a lot
28:41
Speaker 3: of times you think you know what the engineer does.
28:44
Speaker 3: You have no clue what the engineer does. It's funny
28:51
Speaker 3: because I always thought like, look, I'm going in there.
28:54
Speaker 3: He's doing this off VABs. And that's just kind of
28:58
Speaker 3: like how we're maneuvering. But then you start to realize
29:00
Speaker 3: even then two things. One, an engineer's job is really difficult.
29:05
Speaker 3: One that knows what they're doing. One that knows the
29:07
Speaker 3: quality of sound, how to actually produce sound. And one
29:10
Speaker 3: who knows how to work with these objects and within
29:14
Speaker 3: the realm, build and be professional.
29:16
Speaker 2: That is a hard job to do. Number two.
29:19
Speaker 3: Most engineers that you probably know, especially ones that didn't
29:22
Speaker 3: go to school, are not good engineers. And not saying that,
29:27
Speaker 3: you know, not to downsize or down talk anybody, but
29:30
Speaker 3: you start to realize like, hey, there is a there's
29:33
Speaker 3: a protocol for how to do this, how to send
29:35
Speaker 3: your files, what you're sending your files for, how you're maneuvering.
29:39
Speaker 3: how you are actually using and putting your music out.
29:43
Speaker 3: There's a protocol for mixing, mastering, taking time, clearing a space.
29:48
Speaker 3: It is a science because there is a science behind it.
29:52
Speaker 3: There's a science behind doing it and knowing the space
29:55
Speaker 3: where your voice should be in music or music. In
29:58
Speaker 3: other forms of art, like if we're doing a podcast
30:01
Speaker 3: or if we are doing a service for somebody else
30:05
Speaker 3: or if we're doing a movie, there is an engineer
30:08
Speaker 3: protocol for how you're moving and how it's supposed to work.
30:12
Speaker 3: And that's basically what I needed to learn in the
30:16
Speaker 3: first place and how I wanted to actually build and grow.
30:19
Speaker 2: Because I always thought that, hey, I could do this.
30:22
Speaker 3: More so as I started growing and learning, I realized
30:24
Speaker 3: it was a science and I hated science in school.
30:27
Speaker 3: But it's a fun thing to learn and a fun
30:31
Speaker 3: way to grow. And now that I know it, I
30:34
Speaker 3: respect the craft of it. I'm actually engineering my own
30:37
Speaker 3: stuff too. But it transferred me into being able to
30:40
Speaker 3: account manage a studio and finding opportunities to build other
30:44
Speaker 3: things and finding opportunities to educate.
30:47
Speaker 2: And, you know, it came at a right time.
30:50
Speaker 3: It more so was more like the opportunity to do
30:53
Speaker 3: it and the clear head to actually focus on it.
30:56
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Well, and there was another hard step in there,
31:00
Speaker 1: and I don't know if people caught it, but you
31:02
Speaker 1: moved to Jacksonville like two years ago, you said? So
31:07
Speaker 1: you're starting over like completely in a new city. Yeah, exactly.
31:12
Speaker 1: So were you going to school then, or did you
31:15
Speaker 1: have the degree and then you moved to Jacksonville?
31:17
Speaker 3: So no, I wasn't going to school in Pittsburgh. I
31:21
Speaker 3: actually got the degree... starting to live down here. I
31:25
Speaker 3: started school, I would say that June, as I got
31:29
Speaker 3: down here and got my degree, which, yeah, I didn't
31:33
Speaker 3: have it at first. And moving here was kind of
31:37
Speaker 3: on a whim. But me being there and learning is
31:41
Speaker 3: one thing. And it was able to, you know, basically,
31:44
Speaker 3: as I moved down here, I was able to get
31:46
Speaker 3: a job doing engineering for a thing called Say It
31:48
Speaker 3: With Music 2. So Both things went hand in hand
31:51
Speaker 3: and were allowing me to learn on the fly and
31:55
Speaker 3: basically grow.
31:56
Speaker 2: Before that, I was just singing and songwriting.
31:59
Speaker 1: Now, this is what I'm talking about here. This plan
32:02
Speaker 1: B totally supports plan A, like perfect description of this, right?
32:08
Speaker 1: So Landon is also a master networker, which I cannot
32:14
Speaker 1: say this enough. What they say is it's all in
32:18
Speaker 1: who you know. Okay, great. That's great. How do I
32:21
Speaker 1: know the people was always the question that I would
32:24
Speaker 1: ask next. Right. You are a great example of how
32:28
Speaker 1: do you know the people. So you've got this degree
32:32
Speaker 1: now and then... All of a sudden, you're in a studio.
32:38
Speaker 1: How did that work? Because some people don't even know
32:40
Speaker 1: how to get to the degree to know I'm working
32:43
Speaker 1: in a studio. So how does that work?
32:45
Speaker 3: So I used my Google. That's pretty much it. That's
32:50
Speaker 3: pretty much what I did.
32:51
Speaker 2: I used my.
32:52
Speaker 3: Google where I went to Google and I started looking
32:56
Speaker 3: up studios in the area.
32:57
Speaker 2: What studios are around? What studios can I work in?
33:00
Speaker 3: What studios actually work with what I'm doing or what
33:03
Speaker 3: genre I'm actually maneuvering with? I got one call first,
33:08
Speaker 3: but they made folk music and they were like not
33:11
Speaker 3: really interested in having an R & B engineer. And
33:14
Speaker 3: so they tried to refer me to somebody else. But
33:18
Speaker 3: through that reference, I didn't actually get and work with
33:22
Speaker 3: that reference. I just started to push through and look,
33:26
Speaker 3: I'm not getting the response I want from these guys.
33:28
Speaker 3: So I'm going to call around and actually see what
33:30
Speaker 3: other studios I could go to.
33:33
Speaker 2: I ended up landing on this one called the Duval Suite.
33:36
Speaker 3: And the owner, Mac, he contacted me back like, hey, man,
33:40
Speaker 3: can I send him like my portfolio? I built a
33:42
Speaker 3: portfolio and it was my first portfolio I ever built
33:46
Speaker 3: at the time.
33:48
Speaker 2: But when I built my portfolio, he saw it. He
33:51
Speaker 2: saw what I was doing with music. He liked it.
33:53
Speaker 3: He was like, hey, you know, come meet me and
33:56
Speaker 3: then we could talk and figure this out. And I
34:00
Speaker 3: think upon meeting us, like upon us meeting, like we
34:03
Speaker 3: had like a mutual kinship, you know, a mutual friendship.
34:06
Speaker 3: I came dressed nice. Normally, even then, like, you know,
34:10
Speaker 3: like I'll come dressed nice, but sometimes I'll come like
34:13
Speaker 3: I'll come in athletic, you know, like I'm just leaving
34:15
Speaker 3: the gym or I'm going to the gym. So it's like, look,
34:17
Speaker 3: I'm not getting too dressed up. But basically, I've learned
34:21
Speaker 3: even then to come as you are, you know, come transparent,
34:25
Speaker 3: know what you know. Tell them what you're trying to
34:27
Speaker 3: learn and what you're looking to do. And we had
34:30
Speaker 3: a great conversation. And through that great conversation, he's like, look,
34:34
Speaker 3: he brought me to the space. We met at the
34:37
Speaker 3: space that wasn't a studio yet, but he was building
34:39
Speaker 3: a new studio. And he's like, look, I'm building this.
34:42
Speaker 3: We're going to start a new studio here. I want
34:45
Speaker 3: to start to work with you here. So every time
34:48
Speaker 3: that I went over there, anytime he called me, I
34:50
Speaker 3: just showed up. Um, he would call me, you know,
34:52
Speaker 3: to see if I would participate in helping for something.
34:55
Speaker 2: It's like, look, I'm on my way.
34:57
Speaker 3: Um, and he, you know, we helped build the studio
34:59
Speaker 3: where I was helping put up the boards and the
35:01
Speaker 3: panels and do certain things, you know? And, um, basically
35:06
Speaker 3: because I showed up as myself and any room that
35:09
Speaker 3: I show up in, I try to show up as
35:10
Speaker 3: transparent as possible.
35:11
Speaker 2: It's like, then it's like, oh, you got.
35:12
Speaker 3: To meet this guy because this guy knows something or
35:15
Speaker 3: this guy is really diligent on building, you know? And,
35:20
Speaker 3: Through that relationship, I was able to build a lot
35:22
Speaker 3: of opportunities where I met one of his friends, this
35:25
Speaker 3: guy named Ashai, where we we started. They had these
35:29
Speaker 3: production meetings at this place called Bold Bean. I wouldn't
35:32
Speaker 3: have known about that.
35:33
Speaker 1: Right.
35:34
Speaker 3: But through us meeting and through us all connecting the dots,
35:37
Speaker 3: we ended up building the production session at the studio.
35:40
Speaker 3: You know, that was our first proof of concept and
35:43
Speaker 3: one of the first things that we built to let people.
35:45
Speaker 2: Know, hey, we have a studio here.
35:47
Speaker 3: You guys should come out and come see us and
35:49
Speaker 3: work with us. And, you know, and, you know, basically
35:54
Speaker 3: from that point on, it's just like me learning and
35:58
Speaker 3: building connections with people in a way where I'm coming in,
36:02
Speaker 3: I'm coming as myself.
36:04
Speaker 2: I'm showing up.
36:05
Speaker 3: If I'm, if most of the time I'm just doing
36:07
Speaker 3: my Google, you know, what do I need? How do
36:10
Speaker 3: I get to this point A to point B? And
36:13
Speaker 3: You learn in school real quick how to research and
36:16
Speaker 3: how to vet and cite your sources. I think that's
36:20
Speaker 3: the one thing that really helped me well. And it's
36:23
Speaker 3: not something I learned in college. That is something I
36:25
Speaker 3: learned in the sixth grade that I never lost. But
36:28
Speaker 3: it's something that you learn and something that you continuously
36:31
Speaker 3: build on and learn like, look, I need to have
36:34
Speaker 3: a legitimate source or let me find legitimate sources or
36:37
Speaker 3: where I can work in this area. And me being
36:41
Speaker 3: able to do the research has worked and benefited me greatly.
36:45
Speaker 1: And you've also been discovering some other projects that you
36:49
Speaker 1: had no idea that you were going to be good
36:52
Speaker 1: at or that you were going to like doing. And
36:55
Speaker 1: so I just want to bring some attention to the
36:58
Speaker 1: EPKs that you've been making for artists.
37:01
Speaker 2: Super cool.
37:03
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how did like doodling around with all of
37:07
Speaker 1: the digital, other fun online tools for marketing artists and
37:12
Speaker 1: helping artists out that way. How did that all happen?
37:15
Speaker 3: So with Symphonic, whenever I started with Symphonic, like I said,
37:19
Speaker 3: I started about 2014, 2015. So Apple Music didn't even
37:23
Speaker 3: exist yet. But I remember before that I was with,
37:27
Speaker 3: especially artists will know when I say the name immediately, artists,
37:31
Speaker 3: every artist goes, oh, I remember them. I remember starting
37:35
Speaker 3: out with Reverb Nation.
37:37
Speaker 1: Yes.
37:38
Speaker 2: See, yeah.
37:40
Speaker 3: So Reverb Nation was like, you know, you'd have your
37:42
Speaker 3: countdown in your city.
37:43
Speaker 2: You see who's number one, who's number 10.
37:45
Speaker 1: I was number one sometimes.
37:48
Speaker 2: I was, I think I was number one for like
37:49
Speaker 2: a week. And then I went and shot back up
37:52
Speaker 2: to like 265.
37:54
Speaker 3: But even then it was like, it was such a
37:56
Speaker 3: weird thing because they, at the time they had a
37:58
Speaker 3: back subscription where you could get it for free. But
38:01
Speaker 3: if you buy the subscription to Reverb Nation, you could, um,
38:05
Speaker 3: They would distribute your music everywhere. Like at the time
38:09
Speaker 3: it was literally three or four places like Google Play,
38:13
Speaker 3: Rhapsody at the time was the biggest streaming platform in
38:16
Speaker 3: the world.
38:17
Speaker 2: Rhapsody, it was Google Play.
38:19
Speaker 3: And then I think right after that.
38:22
Speaker 2: Beats 1.
38:23
Speaker 3: Beats 1 was like the predecessor to like Apple Music
38:27
Speaker 3: at the time.
38:28
Speaker 2: But before that, all you had was iTunes. All you
38:31
Speaker 2: had was people.
38:31
Speaker 3: Going and buying your, you know, One by one, they
38:36
Speaker 3: may download it. But then I remember when I was
38:41
Speaker 3: working my first job at a high school, still at
38:44
Speaker 3: this point, I was going to college. But I was also,
38:47
Speaker 3: even though I completed college, I was a college dropout
38:50
Speaker 3: for certain things, too. But I remember going and working
38:53
Speaker 3: at the hospital and having an app. that you could
38:57
Speaker 3: download a full mobile app, where if you had Android,
39:01
Speaker 3: you would download a Landon Thomas app and have access
39:04
Speaker 3: to my whole catalog before streaming services were there.
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Speaker 2: And my friend at work being like, look, you see
39:10
Speaker 2: what this dude is doing? He got a full app.
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Speaker 3: And it was because I had a paid subscription. So
39:15
Speaker 3: I figured out, look, how do I do this? And
39:17
Speaker 3: I was always exploring and working these models. But From
39:20
Speaker 3: that point, whenever I got with Symphonic and I started
39:23
Speaker 3: to realize a lot of things that they could do,
39:26
Speaker 3: I got curious, you know, about the six week rollout plans.
39:30
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Why do we need a six week?
39:33
Speaker 3: So it kind of like basically it it it put
39:37
Speaker 3: me on a year like I wouldn't even say a year,
39:40
Speaker 3: a decade long rabbit hole.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, I need to, instead of just going in and
39:46
Speaker 3: using the basic function of things, I need to figure
39:49
Speaker 3: out and play with every system that I know and
39:52
Speaker 3: figure out what exactly it can do and the strength
39:55
Speaker 3: of the tool. I had Linktree and I figured out
40:00
Speaker 3: what Linktree can do, but same thing I got tired
40:03
Speaker 3: of with ReverbNation. I got tired of with Linktree. I
40:07
Speaker 3: do not want to pay a subscription to for something
40:10
Speaker 3: that is gatekeeping things that I know I can do
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Speaker 3: a little.
40:13
Speaker 2: Bit better, right?
40:15
Speaker 3: So I pretty much like I found how to code,
40:19
Speaker 3: learned Codex and started to figure out how.
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Speaker 2: To steer code.
40:23
Speaker 3: And it led me up to building my website. Now,
40:27
Speaker 3: if you look at my website, most people look at
40:29
Speaker 3: my website for like a blueprint of what can be
40:31
Speaker 3: done because people were saying like, you know, it's how.
40:34
Speaker 2: Did you do that?
40:34
Speaker 3: You build your own video game on your website. You
40:37
Speaker 3: have so many cool features like, Like, I want that,
40:40
Speaker 3: you know? But that started with me just sitting there
40:44
Speaker 3: and looking like, look, I can navigate this. I want
40:47
Speaker 3: this to be better than what it is. And I
40:50
Speaker 3: know I can make this be better than anything that
40:53
Speaker 3: you can do online.
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Speaker 1: What's your website, by the way, for everyone who's just
40:58
Speaker 1: listening and can't see us?
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Speaker 2: So that is www.lovesongland.com. That's L-A-U-V, song, land, L-A-N.com.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's the cute kind of love. Right. Cute. Right.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Awesome. And I am very excited because like
41:20
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier about speaking things into existence,
41:24
Speaker 1: when you go out and you start meeting new people
41:28
Speaker 1: and you just talk about your ideas, it's amazing how
41:32
Speaker 1: quickly things can come together. So you and I met
41:35
Speaker 1: and I said, Hey, I'd like to see Jacksonville be
41:39
Speaker 1: a music city where everybody comes on vacation to enjoy
41:43
Speaker 1: all of the amazing artists that we have here in Jacksonville.
41:47
Speaker 1: And you were like, tell me more. And as we
41:51
Speaker 1: kept talking, it turned out that we had ideas that overlapped.
41:55
Speaker 1: And there were things that I'm good at. And there
41:59
Speaker 1: are things that I'm not good at, but you are
42:02
Speaker 1: good at. And we have just been, for the last
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Speaker 1: probably eight, last month or so, we have been putting
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Speaker 1: together something very special for Jacksonville. We're not really ready
42:15
Speaker 1: to announce it yet, but I just wanted to put
42:17
Speaker 1: a little teaser out there. We're working on some cool stuff,
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Speaker 1: ways for musicians to come network together, ways for musicians
42:27
Speaker 1: to be able to find each other, ways for them
42:30
Speaker 1: to get some services. Oh, you have a guest.
42:34
Speaker 2: Yes. Hi, Anthony. Okay, now he's shy and he just
42:38
Speaker 2: ran away.
42:39
Speaker 1: Now he's shy.
42:41
Speaker 2: Well, actually, he didn't run away. He just kind of
42:43
Speaker 2: tilted over.
42:43
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that can happen to some people, you know,
42:47
Speaker 1: stage fright.
42:48
Speaker 2: Right.
42:51
Speaker 1: To wrap up this episode, Landon is a great example
42:55
Speaker 1: of someone who went with the have a plan B
43:00
Speaker 1: method to build his plan A music career. He did
43:04
Speaker 1: not let plan B take over. Instead, he kept doing
43:10
Speaker 1: small things consistently over and over again with a strategy
43:15
Speaker 1: that now the tables are starting to turn. And now
43:20
Speaker 1: you are doing more music stuff than you're doing, well,
43:24
Speaker 1: other stuff. And the other stuff that you're doing is
43:27
Speaker 1: stuff that you found out that you really, really like
43:29
Speaker 1: to create. So how cool of a story is that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's been a blast.
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Speaker 3: And it's always one of those things where I feel
43:40
Speaker 3: like as we learn, it's amazing to be able to
43:43
Speaker 3: grow and to be able to find ways to actually
43:45
Speaker 3: navigate what we're doing, you know, and meeting you has
43:49
Speaker 3: been awesome because now it's like possibilities are endless, like
43:52
Speaker 3: especially moving to Jacksonville, because, like I said, Pittsburgh is
43:55
Speaker 3: a blue collar city. is one that, you know, eventually
43:58
Speaker 3: I want to double back and build like a better
44:00
Speaker 3: industry with there too. Even though we have some things,
44:03
Speaker 3: but also being down here and being able to create
44:06
Speaker 3: is a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And he wants me to show you this.
44:11
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Look at that creation.
44:14
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So this is another thing, example, if you want to
44:17
Speaker 3: build it, you can build it.
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Speaker 1: And you know what else you're a great example of?
44:24
Speaker 1: Family's got to be involved in it. You know, it's
44:27
Speaker 1: got to be part of the plan. It's got to
44:29
Speaker 1: be part of the strategy. So how does that all
44:31
Speaker 1: fit for you guys out there thinking about how you're
44:35
Speaker 1: going to build your music career? Because what we talked
44:39
Speaker 1: about today is that if you can believe in the
44:43
Speaker 1: things that you want to do, if you can believe
44:47
Speaker 1: that you can do it, don't worry about what all
44:50
Speaker 1: the other voices are saying. Build your strategy around the
44:53
Speaker 1: things that you want to experience in your music career,
44:57
Speaker 1: and then go out and do those things. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: All right. This has been awesome. Landon, I want to
45:09
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being my guest here today.
45:13
Speaker 1: And thank you also to your little co-host for joining
45:17
Speaker 1: us with his amazing creations.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Minecraft thing that is falling apart in my hand.
45:27
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you're going to have some project to
45:29
Speaker 1: work on once we get done here.
45:31
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
45:35
Speaker 1: So for everyone out there, keep thinking about the rules
45:40
Speaker 1: that you're living by. Is this something that still serves you?
45:44
Speaker 1: Is this something that's going to help your strategy? What
45:47
Speaker 1: rule are you ready to rewrite? Do Music Differently on
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Speaker 1: Scan the QR code or visit heightsalinecoaching.com slash let's chat
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Speaker 1: and tell me what rule are you ready to rewrite?