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Free Agency Update · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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presented by Sea Kick. This is episode Four O 7.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Corn. And I'm here with my Co host,
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Nate Reyes. Nate.
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What's up everybody? What's up, dude?
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Been whoa. It's been a little bit.
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Happy New Year, everybody. It's been a minute, yeah.
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Nice little break. Nice little break.
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Much needed break you and I were talking about.
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I think this is the longest we've gone in between two
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episodes. So yeah, that's, you know, just,
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I don't. Think I don't think we've really
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missed anything. Hopefully now everybody's missed
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us. Hopefully everyone's missed us.
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I mean, honestly, pretty much everything that's happened has
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been some of the most predictable things you could
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have imagined anyway, so you're not really going to be getting
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any ground breaking things from us during that time anyway.
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So much need a break, you know? I thought I'd be able to shake
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this sinus nonsense in 2023 to kind of close out the year, but
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here we are. I got a second one back-to-back.
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Love that I was. I was healthy for like 2 days
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and now we're back. So bear with me on that front,
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but good to be back. That's tough all things that's
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tough. I've actually remained primary
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like somewhat healthy and that's this is normally the the
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reversal. I'm normally the one that
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catches stuff. I will say just an update on on
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Nate's life. The so the the office was like
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in this basketball league, like a men's basketball league.
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So when I first like started up in like October, it was like the
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end of that league and then they were going to run it back and
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start up yesterday. So I was like, I'm in.
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Like I haven't played basketball in years, but like, I'm down.
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Can I can I predict where this story goes?
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Sure. There is AG League scout in
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attendance for game one, and they all want to.
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I'm out of here. They want to take you away.
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From the pod I'm going your. Career's taken off, yeah.
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Signing bonus and all. No dude.
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So we I like I signed up for it last week and so Paige and I
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went and went to the park like right down the street and just
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shot some hoops. First off the stroke is still
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there. The the IT still looks good.
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However, the body the body the body let me down bad dude for
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like 3 days. My calves have been so tight and
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I was like, 'cause I I was, I had like 3 days to get like
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somewhat cardio ready slash get the basketball rest off.
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And so I was like kind of getting after it a little bit.
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But I was like, Paige, like I I got to play you one-on-one, like
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beat me up however you want to. But like, I need to, like, move
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my body around to like, somewhat emulate what's going to happen
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or simulate what's going to happen.
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I did all that. My body's all sore.
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I've been stretching. And then Tuesday I show up to
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work and they're like, yeah, the league got cancelled.
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The facility. Oh, no facility in the league.
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You. Just going out and got beat up
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for nothing. It's.
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Like, dude, I was talking to her and I was like, I was a college
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athlete. Like, how does this go downhill
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so fast? How do you become out of shape
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and unathletic so quickly? I think once you hit 30, it's
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wow. I think.
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I think maturing is getting to a point in your life when your
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significant other or you just come to the realization yourself
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that stretching is necessary. It kind of is, dude.
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This. This never was a part of my
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life, and now the only way I can get up without pain is to do
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this the night before. That's it's a sad reality.
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It's insane. So.
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That's it. That's all I got for you.
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I was trying to get more active for 2024 and I got punished for
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it. So there we go.
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Speaking of 2024, and we'll get in, we'll obviously get into
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some some ball talk, but part of our anniversary trip, 'cause we
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got married New Year's Eve, we went away to a cabin for for a
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little bit and some of the time we talked, Meredith and I were
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talking about the goals for the podcast.
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In 2020. Four just kind of spit ballin
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and obviously won't go into detail on all of them but one of
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those is getting the YouTube we're trying I I set the goal
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for 2K. That's I think that's very.
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Dual So I I would I would humbly request if you're listening to
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this, we we ask from time to time but if you're listening to
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this. Go watch instead.
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You can watch if you want but even if you don't, even if
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you're like, Nah, I'm I'm audio, I'm purely audio.
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I'm strictly audio. Go over subscribe to the pod and
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and come back to your audio. But we just, we need those
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subscriptions. I'm trying to get to 2K by the
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end of the year. I think that's very, very.
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Reasonable. I think it is too.
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Very. I think it is too.
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Last thing on that note, be thinking of any, you know this
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time of year is around the time where you and I will throw out a
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trip idea and then it just kind of true.
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It just kind of manifests. So I was I was thinking about
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that the other day. So I mean, I I would be lying if
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I said I haven't been peeking around at some Home Run Derby
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tickets. Where's that at this year?
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Texas. I like that idea.
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I could get. I could get down on some Texas.
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I'm really coming around on it and you know I thought maybe
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this is the year where where we invite the the significant
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others that. 'D be fun too.
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Maybe make it a a a group? Outing.
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I don't hate it. I do not hate it.
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All I have to say just be thinking, just be thinking if if
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you're listening and and you know some some events this year
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that I'm not thinking of, throw them out there for us and maybe
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we'll we'll be at a ballpark near you.
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We'll see you. Just got me fired up, I'm
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feeling. It.
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Let's do it. Let's do it.
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All right. Let's, let's get into some free
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agent slash trade talk here. Like you said a lot lot's been
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going on, but for the most part I think the the real heavy
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hitting headlines were before the new year like kind of mid,
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mid-december. Since then we haven't really
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gotten much. I mean a a few bigger moves, but
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a lot of it's just been minor transactions here and there, but
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some of which we hadn't gotten around to because of our our
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break and everything. So we're going to be playing a
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little catch up here, but wanted to start off with what I
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believe, last I checked, is the most recent noteworthy headline,
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the Shota Imanaga Deal I saw, and I I would venture say you
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saw it too, that he took the Cubs offer when there was an
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offer on the table for close to, if not exactly double what he
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got for the Cubs. Yeah, I saw that too.
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Did I read that correctly? We still don't know the details
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on what team that is, right? I didn't see anything.
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We don't know the details of who that offer was from, but it just
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came out yesterday that the the details on the deal.
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He did take 53 mil over four years for the Cubs, so the
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narrative there is that apparently he just really wanted
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to be a cub. Which is?
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Very reminiscent of Shohei's decision to go play for the
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Angels where it's like you have all of these other organizations
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that were were vying for his his services, but he goes to the
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Angels of all places. So I don't know if that's.
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I don't know if there's like a a loyalty element that comes into
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play there where you get into conversation with the team and
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like that's that's where you decide to go.
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But clearly, if he's turning down a deal worth twice as much
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to play for, the Cubs sounds like he wants to go play in
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Wrigley. Give me a guess on what other
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team you think it was. No, No it wasn't.
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The Red Sox willing to be double on that deal, but clearly
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doesn't have the the same attraction level, I guess.
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The gravitational pull. I'm going to, I'm going to say
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Giants. I was literally saying the same
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thing. I'm going to say giants.
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That's my guess. I mean, if if any team out there
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has a documented history of going for a guy and coming up
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short, it's the Giants. Yeah, but I I couldn't think.
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I mean, other teams presumably were in on him.
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Like, I'm sure the Dodgers is crazy, even not as in of an
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offseason as they've had sure they were having conversations.
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I feel like we need to revisit the Dodgers stuff, man.
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We might have to I've. Seen there's been so much on the
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Dodgers lately that I'm I'm frankly just blown away at the
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the narrative that's being built on this team.
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Like what? Don't We're not going to dive
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into it. But only thing I'll say is don't
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be upset with a team that's willing to invest in players to
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make the organization better. How many times do we have to say
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it? Stop being upset with the
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Dodgers. Be upset with your team who
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refuses to do what the Dodgers are doing because they're
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capable of doing it. That's all I'll say.
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But yeah, how do we feel about this Imanaga deal?
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I don't know a ton about them. I looked into some numbers a
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little bit, some stuff that like stood out to me career, 318 ERA
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through 148 innings last year, which is pretty solid, 174
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strikeouts. The biggest thing for me that
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was the 4% walk rate. That's got to be extremely
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attractive. I think it's.
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I don't know what the Cubs did, I don't know what they put in
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his water during the meeting, but for them to convince him to
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take half on what seems to be a pretty team friendly deal for
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the most part. I did see that he's got an
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option that could potentially push this to 80 million, so
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that's interesting. But even then I think like any
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'cause, we heard rumors of it getting north of 100, especially
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when like the Yamamoto deal just kept climbing and climbing.
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It seemed like it was helping the Imanaga situation.
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So I like it. I I think I don't.
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I don't know much about his game.
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I didn't really get to to watch like any any videos of him
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pitching yet. From what it seems like he lives
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in the zone. He's kind of seems like a a
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pitch to contact guy the him and Kyle Hendricks.
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You know what I mean? Like sitting in the same kind of
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approach seems like so curious. Just see like how the numbers
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go. Maybe a little bit of inflation
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being in Wrigley. You know how it is in Wrigley
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like the early beginning of the year you get some wind some bad
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weather helps pitchers out. But then once summer hits it's
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like that's a beautiful ballpark to hit in.
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So yeah, I'm just curious to see but I I think makes sense like
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the the central's up for up for grabs.
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So any anything like this could be pretty solid maybe.
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I was thinking maybe he's boys with maybe say a Suzuki.
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I don't know if there's a little something there could be but
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because I like we can't help but have that part of the
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conversation. You know, I know, Yamamoto said.
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Hey, whether Otani was a Dodger or not, I wanted to be there.
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But there's got to be some some comfort knowing that you have
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like the familiarity with your your teammate on a brand new, in
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a brand new country, in a brand new city, on a brand new roster.
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So I don't know if Shota and and say our our boys but.
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I am seeing a picture right now. I'm looking at it there.
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They're clearly on two different teams over in Japan, but they're
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they're hugging, they're embracing, laughing.
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So yeah, Ventures say there's some element of.
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Of something there. Some sort of back back story
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there. So you know, maybe that maybe
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that played a role in it. Looking at this rotation for the
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Cubs, as it stands right now, you've got Justin Steele,
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Jameson Tae Own, Shota Imanaga, Kyle Hendricks and Jordan Wicks.
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So I. Don't hate it.
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I don't hate it either. I think that can that can get
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you and we we talked about this every year you need if you if
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you plan to contend which I would venture to say the Cubs
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are are planning to contend if you if that is your your course
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of action that you're planning to take do what you got to do to
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get yourself to the deadline and then fill in the gaps.
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I I would venture to say that this rotation as it stands right
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now gets you to the deadline and you're still above water. 100%
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agree. I think it does depend on like
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whether Justin Steele's year last year was a fluke or not.
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But I agree. Like you, you get in your
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position to win games and, you know, put yourself in a position
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to potentially be a buyer at the deadline.
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And again, that division's up for grabs.
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So I don't. I don't see why not.
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Maybe a bat or two added. Then I'd be.
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I'd be interested to see what the Cubs do.
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Why not? I did see also one last note the
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the money going back to the base stars, did you see that that it
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could grow if that option gets picked up?
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It was something of like if that option does get picked up and he
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grows to 880 mil, there's something of nearing, like 15%
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of his earnings would go back to the base stars.
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The D According to ESPN, the DL has several provisions,
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including the team's option to extend the contract after both
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years two and three to 80 million / 5 years.
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But if the Cubs decline in either year, Imanaga can choose
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to become a free agent or remain in the original contract.
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The Cubs will pay just under 10 million to the Bay Stars in the
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form of a release fee. Are you?
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Are you I? Thought I saw something that it
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would go up from there. There was like another
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provisional thing like if if the option got picked up it would
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grow. I don't know why but I thought I
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saw that somewhere. I don't know.
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To 80 mil. Is that what you're talking
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about? Yeah, like if that option goes
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to 80 mil, then the Bay Stars then get like another little
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bonus situation maybe. I don't know if I recall seeing
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that, if I'm being honest. Here it is.
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Where'd it? Go.
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OK, that'll initially be a the that posting release fee or
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whatever was 9.8 million and would increase if the team
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exercises the option. Or Imanaga unlocks more money
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via escalators, whatever that means.
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So I guess bonuses like, yeah, yeah, performance bonuses, yeah,
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the Cubs would owe the base stars an additional 15% of
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whatever the money, whatever money the southpaw earns from
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beyond the initial guarantee. So if the guarantee grows, the
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base stars get end up getting a little bit more money.
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Interesting. It is interesting and.
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There's just like a correlation there and yeah.
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And I I was kind of thinking about this.
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I know I've been out a little bit, but like between the Otani,
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well not Otani, but the Yamamoto and the Imanaga situation and
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well, yeah, I guess Otani, we're seeing very creative clauses
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that I don't think we've we're very familiar with.
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Yeah, I don't. That's new.
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I don't know how I feel about it because we're getting to the
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point now. Was it was it Yamamoto's
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contract where it said that he couldn't be optioned to the
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miners without his consent or something?
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I didn't see that one. I do see.
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These clauses are getting insane.
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I'm like, in what world is that? Like if you're from, if you're
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front office, in what world is that acceptable?
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Like I saw the Ohtani thing where I I think if I I'm not
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sure, don't quote me here, but I thought I saw like if Dave
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Roberts or like GM or baseball operations, one of the three
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guys gets moved, he gets the option to leave.
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Yeah, this contract, something like that.
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Yeah, I think this is what the new thing is going to end up
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being. Because like eventually, I know,
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like we're going to say like, where where are we going to cut
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the, like, when are we going to stop?
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At what point is too much money, too much money?
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I think the contracts are going to start to get a little more
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creative. And this is the point that I was
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thinking about. It's been a while since we
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talked, so I was excited to tell you this.
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I had this like little light bulb moment during the break.
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I was watching. Do you ever see air this story
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about like, Michael Jordan's deal with Nike?
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Dude, Meredith's younger sister. Shout out Jess.
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She worked on set for that. Really.
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Matt Damon and all them solid. Movie.
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Fabulous movie. Very underrated. 100%
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recommended if you haven't seen it.
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But the point I'm making is like when at the end of the movie.
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Well, I'm not spoiling anything. This is all history that
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everyone knows, but Michael Jordan's mom is like negotiating
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the contract and saying we're going to need a royalty deal in
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this shoe deal. If you're going to make my son
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shoe, I need a piece of that. Like the family needs to make
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sure that we're getting that money coming in.
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And that's what was like the ground breaking thing, right?
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They said this has never been done in the industry before.
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We've given guys shoes before, but never a royalty deal on like
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ongoing sales. It made me think of like the
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money may grow, but the these types of clauses are gonna start
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being more and more popular. And if Ohtani's committing and
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bringing everything he brings to an organization and he says I'm
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signing due to these people in this room giving me their idea
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of what the vision's gonna look like during the length of this
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contract. Then I want to make sure that we
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can stay committed to this as an organization.
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So I think these clauses, it's a little wild.
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I don't know about the like the being sent down thing.
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I don't, I don't think I'm on board with that.
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But I think you're going to start to see players becoming
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almost like AI. Don't have ownership in this
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organization, but I'm going to make sure shots are called and
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there's probably only a couple superstars that can pull this
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this off. But I need my manager, I need my
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GMI, need my VP of Operations, whatever it may be, to stay in
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place because I'm buying in on your guys's vision.
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So I think this is gonna start to be more of a popular thing
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amongst contracts. Yeah, I mean we all know that,
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you know, money makes your life more comfortable and and these
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guys that are reeling in these insane contracts know that.
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But I think I I think you bring up a good point is these clauses
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are going to be additional ways or supplementary ways to make
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life comfortable for these guys. Where if for Yamamoto, knowing
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that he's not going to get sent down unless he decides to or you
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know who, whoever, whatever, what other, whatever other
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clauses come down the pipe, it's like it's just going to be
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something for for Otani, for example, it's going to be
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something where he looks at that.
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And like you said, I want these people around me.
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I want my life to be comfortable in that regard.
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I have my money, I'm good there. But how else can I make this
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situation as best go as as well for me as I can?
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Because that, let's be honest, like it's going to be I think
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decades before we see an Otani level superstar again.
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Sure. So I he's now set that bar where
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I think a lot of these organizations are going to look
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at that overall price tag of 700 million and they're going to
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compare whatever future free agent or superstar to that
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number and say are you that good?
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If not, let's drop it down to 400, four, 5500 and start to
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maneuver into these new types of clauses.
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So I the whole reason I brought up like the the Michael Jordan
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Air thing is because like I think this is the new way
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contracts are going to start to look is maybe we don't creep
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over 7 hundred, $800 billion contracts, but we will see more
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organizational control in these players contracts.
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Does that make sense? Like crazy.
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No and and the the benefit of these clauses is crazy as I
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think some of them will end up being down the road as we we
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travert traverse into this new territory is that they're gonna,
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like I was saying they're gonna provide some freedom and while
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they may not provide initial monetary return it gives it.
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They could lend themselves to you know additional streams of
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revenue or income. Like if a guy off the top of my
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head, if a guy is like I want X amount of days throughout the
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season to visit with and explore brand deals to meet with
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executives of companies that I'm I'm supporters of then like
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upfront you're going well, you're not getting any money
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directly through that clause, but it lends itself to opening
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up and exploring different options and for sure for your
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career after the fact. So I don't know there there's a
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lot at play there. I'm sure similar to the way the
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nil stuff with college unfolded, it's gonna get real messy real
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quick and I think the league is just gonna have to keep a close
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eye on how this, how this unfolds because I mean just the
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few that we've talked about already these clauses.
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So getting a little like, yeah, all right, like, let's not
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forget that the player or that the teams here are the ones that
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the players are playing for and it's.
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Yeah, 'cause if you, if you get too far into this, now you're
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getting into the NBA and clearly the exact the players are
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running the NBA. So, yeah, I don't think we can
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get into that. Yeah.
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Let's switch gears here. I mentioned having to play a
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little catch up. We haven't had a chance yet to
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cover the Red Sox moves, but kind of lumping them here
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together, the Chris Sale and Lucas Giolito moves, let me just
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say right off the top, I've had a number of people reach out.
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They say where are you at on this whole Chris Sale thing?
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I've had plenty of time to think about it at this point.
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I still feel the same exact way as I did when I saw the the
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update come through. I'm so glad this is over.
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I'm so glad that this experiment is.
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Over feeling had a feeling you'd be, you'd be on this board.
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It just wasn't working. And you know, I, I, I saw a lot
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of Rays. The credit to Braves fans, I did
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see somewhat of a split in terms of reaction.
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A lot of people were saying, yo, a A's at it again, fleece the
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Sox, and then a lot of other people were going Why are we
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giving up Von Grissom for this guy to the to the the Braves
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fans, or just baseball fans in general that think the Braves
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somehow fleece the the Red Sox here?
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The only way this ends up being any sort of a fleece is if Von
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Grissom, similar to Chris Sale, just can't play if he's hurt all
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the time. And Chris Sale gives you even a
25:47
fraction of what he gave you in 2018 because you're not getting
25:52
the odds of you getting a Chris Sale that gives you north of 20
25:57
starts, slim to none. Yeah, 100% agree.
26:01
I I think this, I I think if we're going to say like who won,
26:08
I I think it comes down to whatever happens this year.
26:11
But I think the Red Sox got the best case scenario out of this.
26:18
There is AI mean you can speak to this.
26:19
There is a desperate hole at shortstop.
26:23
I think the organization was very much against sliding Trevor
26:26
Story over there for the foreseeable future.
26:30
I think this makes a lot of sense to the Red Sox.
26:33
The plan is to have story. Play and Grissom Ed's second
26:38
Yeah well I mean I guess this is a a decent safety net because
26:42
Ron Grissom is clearly capable of playing both worst case
26:46
scenario Trevor Story you know injuries come back or arm
26:49
strength issues come back and then you swap them.
26:52
So I like it. The one curious I was looking
26:57
into like the details of everything and I don't remember
27:00
what article I was reading but it was saying it was interesting
27:03
that Sale didn't force the Braves to pick up the 2025
27:10
option pre trade and I think that's where all of this the
27:16
Braves fleeced the Red Sox. It wasn't necessarily like that
27:20
in my mind. I think like what I think it was
27:25
a smart move on both sides like instead of like kind of
27:32
handcuffing your new team Chris Sale accepted A2 year deal with
27:38
which is now 38 million a year. So it was like a, you know,
27:43
Anthropolis is genius. I'm not arguing that and I'm not
27:47
saying this is a bad move at all.
27:48
I just think it was it was pretty smart.
27:51
And then on top of that, obviously like I think the
27:54
deferment money went away because he had $10 million that
27:58
was deferred. So this new contract voided
28:01
that, but the Red Sox sent that money anyway.
28:04
You say 38 mill a year. I thought his salary.
28:07
Was total two years 30. Eight, Yeah.
28:09
Yeah. OK.
28:09
Yeah, 27 1/2 and 20 OR this year, this year.
28:13
Two year, 38. But I saw that the Red Sox sent
28:16
17. Yeah, they sent another 10 for
28:19
the deferment money, but this new contract voided that 10
28:26
million. But I think the Braves got to
28:28
keep that 10 million, from my understanding.
28:32
I don't know. What happened with that 10 mil?
28:33
Yeah. I thought I saw it got voided,
28:35
but either way, like the Braves are coming out with only like
28:40
what that option did by not making the Braves pick up that
28:44
option is that they weren't going to be, they were going to
28:46
be hit with taxes in 2025 because of that $20 million
28:51
option. So him avoiding that, them
28:53
receiving the money and thoughtless changing it to a two
28:56
year deal avoided all those things.
29:00
I think it was smart. I think it was a win win.
29:02
You got everything you needed out of Chris Sale, you got a
29:04
ring out of it. So it's like.
29:06
And that's what I say. I'm like thanks for the thanks
29:09
for the ring. I'm not writing off your whole
29:11
career as a member of the Red Sox but like we have to have
29:14
some some awareness here and. Thank you for your service kind
29:17
of thing. Credit to him, his
29:19
self-awareness is off the charts.
29:21
He recognizes that he completely sabotaged the the team with that
29:25
contract because of his performance, not by accepting
29:28
it, but just what he was able or what little he was able to offer
29:31
after he signed the contract. But I I think he just didn't
29:38
want to he didn't want to start off on the wrong foot with the
29:40
Braves. He was he was like look I'm not
29:42
going to. I I know what my careers looked
29:46
like the last handful of years. I'm not going to I'm I'm in no
29:49
position to be demanding this or that or any sort of claws like
29:52
we're just talking about. So I think he just wanted to cut
29:57
ties and he he all but said that he owed the Red Sox that.
30:03
Like he he he did say his best years from Boston.
30:06
He also said his worst years from Boston.
30:08
So it's insane insane that I don't think the the Braves
30:14
fleece the Red Sox. I also am not saying that the
30:16
Red Sox fleece the Braves because I have my opinion about
30:22
Chris Sale and what I think 2024 and beyond will look like.
30:26
But you have to play the what if game here you have to go.
30:29
What if he gives you 2025 starts and he he he gives you quality
30:36
outings And then what if Von Grissom goes out and like gives
30:41
you adequate play at second base, then it's A to me it's a
30:46
win win. I just think I like it with Von
30:48
Grissom being blocked in that organization, Chris Sale going
30:51
nowhere here it I think a a a new look for each guy.
30:56
We save them both, well 100% agree and he slots in.
31:00
He went from having to be an ace when he doesn't have a stuff
31:03
anymore to now a 3-4 rotation guy that's absolutely loaded and
31:11
I I've got no issue on either side.
31:13
I think this is a win win. If you're the Braves, save them
31:16
for every give. Give them a start every 6th day
31:18
and save them for the postseason.
31:20
That I mean, there's no pressure that you need to put on this guy
31:24
because you're you're you're, you're OK with your rotation,
31:27
you don't need him to be the guy, agreed.
31:29
Lucas Giolito. 2 year 38 and a half $1,000,000 contract.
31:35
There is an option after the first year.
31:36
Simply put, the best case for the Red Sox here is that you get
31:45
somewhat of a haul at the deadline because this is really
31:50
just Giolito looking for a place that will take him so that he
31:54
can bounce back, and when, if and when he does, he's gone.
32:01
So if the Red Sox are smart, which based on the way this
32:05
offseason's gone, I can't say I can't bank on them doing this,
32:09
but the smart move would be to trade him at the deadline, get
32:12
something if he's throwing well. If not he's obviously going to
32:15
opt back in and be back for 2025 and and hopefully we'll he'll
32:21
get to figure it out then. But you know as it stands right
32:27
now I don't think the Red Sox are in any condition to compete
32:32
in 2024. So I'm not really sure.
32:37
You know, I he he again. He goes out and throws well this
32:43
year he's gone at the deadline or he they do nothing and he
32:46
walks after the season or he's garbage and makes 2024 all that
32:53
worse and then you're stuck with him for 2025, having put
32:57
together multiple consecutive poor seasons, poor campaigns
33:03
together. So I'm not I'm I'm all right
33:08
with it. Like we at least have a name in
33:09
the rotation now. We're not relying on guys like
33:13
James Paxton necessarily to be the dude.
33:17
Hopefully Luke Lukasciolito can tap into a little bit of what he
33:22
he showed us years ago. But I'm not.
33:25
I'm not necessarily banking on it.
33:27
I think if you talk about Red Sox needs, you just need
33:30
consistency and like put the numbers aside, obviously it's
33:35
it's been down the last two years but thirty starts in
33:37
2022-2023 at 33 starts, 161 innings and then 184 innings
33:45
last year. So, like, they need innings.
33:48
It was three. Was it three straight seasons
33:50
with 30 plus starts? I think so.
33:53
I think that's what it was. Yeah.
33:55
So. So it's like that's that's
33:57
that's a need. Yeah, 100%.
34:01
I looked at the depth chart. I'm assuming he slots in as one.
34:06
Giolito, Baio, Pavetta, Hauck Whitlock, Cutter Crawford.
34:11
That's what I wrote down as far as names.
34:14
Does that sound about right? Yeah, I mean that.
34:19
I don't think you, aside from the fact that it's just like an
34:23
honorary thing. I mean, to me, it's a flip of
34:25
the coin. Baio Chili Dome.
34:27
I'd be fine either way. I'm not going to be upset
34:29
opening day if I see one versus the other.
34:31
Yeah, either way it's fine with me.
34:33
Yeah, but I think that's I I don't, I don't hate it.
34:37
I think what you said, like you're getting innings somewhat
34:40
affordable. Best case scenario, you flip
34:42
them. Worst case scenario, he's a dud
34:46
and you know you took a shot. I I if I was a Red Sox fan, I'd
34:51
say I'm at least happy we're taking a shot on somebody
34:55
because clearly this, this market is outside of the big
35:00
names. There there was like big names
35:04
and then a lot of risky names, and he's one of the risky names.
35:07
Yes and no on taking a shot you know I'm I I just feel like with
35:14
the contracts they've given out recently you know like Turner
35:17
Giulito these like 1-2 kind of piece it together give me give
35:22
me something to latch onto for beyond just 162 games.
35:26
Like I I understand that we're waiting on a core and all that
35:29
but like in the meantime open up the checkbook like you there are
35:35
well there were there were guys to be picked up and you know we.
35:42
I think that's the issue. Though pennies over here.
35:44
It doesn't really seem like a win now situation.
35:47
Maybe the contractor offers were out there, but I bet a lot of
35:51
these big names were just like, I don't know if you're ready to
35:53
compete quite yet. I think this is a third or
36:00
fourth place in the division in my mind.
36:02
Yeah, barring like any, like surprise.
36:05
For the Red Sox, yeah. I'm thinking.
36:08
I'm thinking four or five, Yeah. Yeah.
36:10
And I bet some of these bigger names saw that, you know, saw
36:13
the writing on the wall. It's just they put themselves in
36:17
this position for what you were saying.
36:19
For some of these contracts they've handed out the last few
36:21
years, it this is what they're, you know, they're getting in
36:24
return. A guy that they were rumored to
36:27
be in on but obviously missed out to.
36:29
Oscar Hernandez, another name we have yet to get to but just want
36:33
to go over that. Briefly signed a one year 23 and
36:38
a half $1,000,000 contract with the Dodgers as we we very well
36:41
know at this point. Did I did I hear correctly that
36:46
there that he turned down a multi year deal from the
36:51
Dodgers? I thought it was elsewhere.
36:56
I thought it was elsewhere, which I'm sure was the case.
37:00
Like I'm sure other teams were offered multi year deals, but I
37:03
think that I I heard or read or saw that he the Dodgers have put
37:09
out a multi year deal. But I think he was treating this
37:13
as like a bet on myself kind of year so that he could revisit
37:16
the the market at the end of the year.
37:21
Maybe it was only a two year deal.
37:23
He's 31, so I think it. I think it was two, yeah.
37:27
I mean, I'm not saying it was like 5-6 I I think it was 2.
37:30
But I I don't hate it. I guess 31, if you do a two year
37:38
deal, you're not hitting the market again until 3334 and then
37:42
at that point who's going to give you any more than that.
37:45
So I think if you maximize your potential this year hitting a
37:49
absolutely stupid stacked lineup, be the beneficiary of,
37:57
you know some productive numbers, I I think it it kind of
38:01
makes sense. I mean 23 1/2 for the year.
38:03
It's no, it's no number to shake off.
38:06
No. He did play 160 games last year.
38:08
I was surprised to see that. I did, yeah, I saw that.
38:11
Do you? I mean, do we?
38:13
I think we can both agree that's a little bit of an overpay,
38:16
right? But I think at this point the
38:17
donagers are just they're just playing with stupid money now,
38:22
so. Yeah, like, why not, I I mean,
38:24
26 jacks, 93 RB is last year slugging wasn't great.
38:29
It's 741 OPS so. 8 1/2 of that is deferred by the way.
38:36
Which? Well, there you go.
38:37
It's just insane. Why?
38:38
It's crazy how this deferral stuff is really coming in.
38:41
How are we? And again, revisiting this thing
38:44
with the Dodgers. Don't be upset for Don't be
38:48
upset at the Dodgers for playing within the rules.
38:50
Like it. Yeah, just be.
38:52
Again, be upset with your team that is incapable of utilizing
38:55
these loopholes that exist. I'm not saying, I'm not saying
38:58
you should be able to defer a one year contract just Willy
39:02
nilly, but like the rule as it stands right now allows for that
39:05
and they they took advantage of it.
39:07
So like don't be upset with the Dodgers.
39:08
They're just they're smarter than your team.
39:11
That's the reality of it. I got fun.
39:13
I I wrote out the lineup. He's going to be bottom third.
39:18
Yeah, I did. So I got Mookie lead off.
39:21
He's now switched to fully second base.
39:25
I put Freddy too, playing first. I've.
39:29
I've seen Otani too. Yeah, I I I kind of.
39:32
I'm down for either of those swapping.
39:35
I don't think either of them care, but I do like the
39:37
back-to-back thing because I think I didn't look at numbers
39:40
but I would go ahead and assume lefties don't matter against
39:42
them. So I don't mind them being
39:45
back-to-back. But I put Otani third.
39:48
DH Will Smith cleaning up, catching Max Muncie over at
39:54
third, hitting fifth. I then put Tay Oscar 6th in
40:00
right field, outman playing center hitting seven.
40:08
I don't know if Tay Oscar plays left, maybe because then you got
40:11
Jason Hayward slash, Manny Margot hitting eight.
40:16
Well, I think those two just kind of rotate.
40:18
I don't believe I forgot they picked up Margot.
40:20
Yeah, he was in the glass now. Deal.
40:22
That's right. Yeah, and then Rojas and Chris
40:26
Taylor hitting nine, playing short and those two just kind
40:29
of. Well, it would be lux lux.
40:31
Rotating or no, when does I didn't is lux.
40:35
When does Lux get back? Is it this?
40:38
Is it anytime soon? He what I saw.
40:43
I saw a report the other day that said he was working out at
40:45
Dodger Stadium with Bueller, I think.
40:50
Well then you got, I would say maybe Lux Rojas, Chris Taylor
40:52
all kind of fighting for time hitting ninth.
40:56
That's crazy though. That's nuts.
41:01
That's a stupid lineup. Yeah, 'cause Lux Tore hit.
41:05
That's right, he tore. It was in spring training
41:07
towards ACL because it was amidst all the World Baseball
41:11
Classic nonsense. Yeah, so maybe sometime at some
41:17
point, but you don't have to rush back now.
41:19
You have plenty of depth. The bench is solid.
41:23
It's it's crazy, man. Like when you talk about like a
41:26
flyer, 31 year old deal, 31 year old Tay Oscar Hernandez deal,
41:31
like risk reward, why not toss them in?
41:38
But that goes right, left, left, right, left, right, left, left,
41:46
right. That's a stupid line up, man.
41:49
Super, super deep. You want to talk Robbie, Ray?
41:57
Yeah, let's do it. The Giants pick up Robbie Ray as
42:04
they send Mitch Hanniger and Anthony Deslafani to the
42:12
Mississippi. Finally, I I thought of you
42:16
immediately when I saw that deal, by the way, because I saw
42:18
an outfielder leaving San Francisco.
42:21
Yeah. It's about time instead of them
42:24
bringing one in, so. I I I mentioned before we hopped
42:30
on, I felt like this was a little under the radar.
42:33
Like I I feel like this deal has a good bit of upside for the.
42:40
Giants. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:43
I think it's somewhat of a win win.
42:45
I think it's some lottery tickets being traded for lottery
42:47
tickets because like Robbie's not.
42:49
Robbie Ray's not coming back till middle of the year.
42:55
Yeah, I think it was an even money swap because the I think
43:00
the Ms. or Giants, one of the two threw in money to even out.
43:05
I guess for the Mariners, that was probably not a great deal.
43:11
Anyway, What's left? Wasn't it like three years, 75?
43:16
73. Yeah, I don't think.
43:19
I mean, it's looking back, Hindsight's 2020, but like, I
43:21
don't think. I don't think it was probably
43:26
the smartest deal he's got, like.
43:30
Robbie's got an opt out after 2024 so.
43:34
I don't think he would do it. He'd be dumb to do it.
43:36
Yeah, because you're going to have a half a season worth of
43:39
stuff. I don't think anyone's going to
43:42
offer you that much for the remaining or even multi year
43:45
deal after that. So I don't know though I.
43:48
I'm not disagreeing with you, but with what he was able to do
43:52
in Toronto plus half a season, if he comes back healthy and is
43:58
able to throw well and and mimic that performance pre injury, do
44:04
you not, do you think that teams would still shy away?
44:08
I I mean, I I think there's probably going to be like some
44:12
some Bay, some Bay bias playing in Oracle.
44:16
You know what I mean? Big stadium.
44:20
So like I I think numbers will look pretty decent there.
44:26
I mean, I guess I just, I don't know.
44:28
I I wouldn't really be that interested in it.
44:33
Well, I think it's a good deal for him.
44:34
It's a good change of scenery. Mariners got off of that
44:38
contract and like, squeeze what you can out of Mitch Haniger as
44:43
a little homecoming Anthony Desklafani.
44:46
Like, we've seen some flashes of good stuff in there, but like
44:49
your your rotation's good enough, so you don't really need
44:53
to worry too much about that. So put it simply, you'll pick
44:55
him up in fantasy for a spot start here so he'll he'll
44:59
probably he'll shine in time. And then, I mean, they did, they
45:06
did make some other moves. They're trying to load up on
45:08
bats. They moved for, they made the
45:11
move for Luke Rayley, got Mitch Garver.
45:14
So it's like they're trying to add a little bit of Bop
45:16
completely. Forgot about that, yeah.
45:17
That little bop to that line up, so I don't hate it.
45:20
I think they're doing some some smart stuff.
45:22
I just, I wouldn't expect a ton out of Mitch Hanniger.
45:25
Probably just a little homecoming, soak it up.
45:28
Kind of 2024, but we'll see. This is more of just kind of a a
45:35
cut your ties from that contract.
45:37
I think so. From the situation, I would.
45:38
I think so say. And then the Giants, like
45:40
there's not much else out there. So you got to do what you got to
45:45
do and then again, like you said, high potential reward.
45:54
There's Cy Young stuff in there somewhere.
45:56
Just if he wore a bigger jersey, maybe he could tap into it a
46:03
little bit easier. I don't know.
46:04
There, maybe there, there's something to be said for getting
46:09
your getting your injuries right with a team and then coming
46:12
back. I mean the Sox, it's what the
46:14
Sox did with PAX and they paid him.
46:15
I don't even remember what what they're paying him to rehab for
46:18
like a full year and then he comes back the next year and
46:21
gives you serviceable stuff. So and Robbie Ray can think the
46:27
ceiling is hot. Yeah, the ceiling's higher
46:29
there. So like I said, I I think
46:32
there's there's a lot of potential there for that move.
46:36
I'm just disappointed Gabe Kepler isn't there anymore
46:38
because I really could have pictured them just like side by
46:43
side in the clubhouse, staring at themselves in the mirror, you
46:46
know what I mean? Oh yeah, Flexing.
46:48
Checking the fit. In the weight room?
46:51
Yeah, like swapping, like workout plans and creating
46:57
formulas and all. That I think they could have
46:58
been boys but. Too bad.
47:02
It's a real shame. Also real shame that the Mets
47:06
have fallen as as low as they've fallen.
47:10
Harrison, Bader, Luis Severino, Sean Menaya, all names that they
47:16
have acquired as of late. Tell me a little bit about this,
47:23
this duo of Bader and Severino. I don't know.
47:26
It's it's so funny to see them pick up scraps.
47:28
I don't know why it's like it's such a thing, but it is such a
47:33
thing like you're just picking up scraps.
47:35
They did it with Gary. They're doing it, doing it here
47:39
with Severino, with Bader. I I like Severino.
47:43
I I think I when that deal went down, I was like, you know, I I
47:46
I wish him the best. I I like him.
47:49
I think he just said in like his little interview that he thought
47:52
he was going to die at Yankee. It's just such a wild thing to
47:56
say. Like chill.
47:57
You're not judge getting traded to the Giants like.
48:01
Relax. Come on now.
48:05
But it was same thing like it. It's kind of like, you know, we
48:08
we banked on you for a while. We were hoping for the best and
48:10
you haven't delivered in a little bit, but it's in there.
48:14
I hope. I hope he has success.
48:16
I could see him having success. I like the fit.
48:19
I mean, I don't need it. I just it you're talking about a
48:24
Mets team again, we'll revisit this that was caught tripping up
48:29
saying that we're not competing in 2024, possibly not even 2025,
48:34
and as a result of that, no one's going to want to go there.
48:38
So you're except picking up these scraps.
48:40
You're basically a land of misfits right now all betting on
48:42
themselves. So I could very much see
48:47
Harrison Bader in Severino finishing the season off
48:50
somewhere else if they're if they're having a good 2024 and
48:53
they move on and and get traded at the deadline.
48:55
But I don't know doesn't fire me up that much.
49:00
I like Bader. He's an energy guy.
49:03
It's it's not like anything that moves the needle that much.
49:07
But I do like him. I think he's a good teammate and
49:09
he plays hard and like if you're a kid and and you wanted to
49:14
emulate someone's game, I I could say there's you could do a
49:17
lot worse than trying to be like Harrison Bader.
49:20
So I like him. Plus him and him and Pete were
49:26
teammates in Florida. Yeah, yeah.
49:29
So maybe there's something there too.
49:31
There's a post going around. It was, I would venture, say it
49:34
was completely intentional. But there's a post going around
49:36
from some Mets account that photoshopped.
49:38
Once they picked up Bader, it was like what?
49:40
Something like welcome to the Mets.
49:42
Harrison Bader and the Photoshop, Logan Paul's face on.
49:47
And like if if you're just scrolling you wouldn't really
49:50
you wouldn't think twice about it.
49:51
But when you look at it, you're like.
49:53
I see that's. That's Logan Paul.
49:55
That's literally Logan Paul. He took Logan Paul's headshot.
49:57
It was hilarious. Got to get those numbers, am I
50:01
right? The Shamanaya acquisition, I
50:09
think I personally, honestly, I'm past the, I'm past the well,
50:14
this could have some upside. Yeah, but I think he's cooked
50:18
for me. Yeah, I held on.
50:21
I held on as long as I could. I really did.
50:23
But it it just, it, it hasn't panned out.
50:26
So the fact that he got 28 mil over 2 years I mean.
50:29
That wasn't overpay. That wasn't you're you just
50:32
overpaid for innings, Yeah. Yeah.
50:34
He swindled for sure. And again.
50:38
It all makes sense. It comes back full circle.
50:40
You have to overpay for Indians when nobody wants to go there,
50:45
and you need serviceable arms that can give you those Indians.
50:49
Otherwise you're going to be throwing position players 789
50:53
every night. So because you won't, you don't
50:55
have anybody. I feel bad.
50:57
I feel bad for Sangha. I feel like he probably like
51:04
looking at the picture of having like, hey, I'm coming in as a
51:07
three behind Verlander and Scherzer and all this buzz.
51:13
And then next thing you know, 365 days later, he's having a
51:18
front A rotation that's just duct tape and chicken wire.
51:22
He he's, he's the Japanese Jacob degrom.
51:25
Now, not in terms of performance necessarily but just in terms of
51:29
looking behind him going, all right, pop on my back, I guess
51:33
I'll freaking love you clowns around for 162.
51:37
Just, you know, it's crazy. Poor guy.
51:41
Poor guy, Poor guy. I don't feel bad for the Mets.
51:43
I feel bad for him. Yeah, I couldn't care less about
51:46
the Mets. Dylan, Cease a couple guys.
51:51
Let's let's talk. Dylan Cease.
51:52
Marcus Stroman. A couple names have been floated
51:54
around, obviously the Stroman being the free agent.
52:02
I I've been seeing that the Yankees are the favorites.
52:07
You and I chat about this the other day.
52:10
It sounds like he's ending up with one of one of our ball
52:14
clubs, whether it's the Yankees or Red Sox.
52:18
So this is. Besides, with the Red Sox, Will
52:21
you Will, would you think you can get unblocked somehow on
52:25
Twitter? I don't.
52:26
I don't want to be unblocked. You don't want to clown like I
52:29
don't need that in my life. I don't need that.
52:31
And I'll be more than fine without it.
52:34
That's kind of how I feel. I just want winners, dude.
52:37
Like, I just like, I don't care about names.
52:40
I'm at that point where I don't care about names.
52:43
I just want selfless winners, keywords, selfless.
52:48
It just he he's never come off selfless before.
52:53
But at the same time, I'm like, I wouldn't hate the Yankees
52:58
coming into like this. More of an evil, hated
53:04
narrative. And maybe he adds to it.
53:07
But then again, like you tried that with Donaldson and it
53:10
failed. So I don't know.
53:12
I don't know anymore. I just want winners and he
53:14
doesn't seem like one of me. I'm of the two of us who would
53:20
hate our lives more because this is like some This is almost like
53:27
a twisted bet that we have no control over.
53:31
I know, I know, one of us is going to be the loser here.
53:35
And I'm just wondering who would hate, hate our lives more?
53:41
I don't know. I think, based on what you just
53:43
said, I think you. I'm not saying you'd come around
53:46
to liking him, but I think you would tolerate him.
53:48
I I do not think I could tolerate.
53:50
I think I could tolerate Marcus Stroman.
53:52
I think I could. That makes sense.
53:55
Though I'm not I'm not like criticizing you, but what you're
53:58
what what you're saying about like the evil empire and trying
54:00
to recapture even just a little bit of that.
54:02
I I get it. And so it's like if if adding
54:05
Stroman is is a is a part of that to make that happen.
54:09
I get it. But in a year, we're not going
54:12
to compete anyway. And you're going to make me sit
54:15
down and watch Stroman throw every fifth day?
54:16
No, I'm. I'm good.
54:19
Maybe I'm just grasping it, that nostalgia.
54:24
Obviously the Dodgers are the new Evil Empire.
54:26
So, like, when we're talking about trying to recapture that
54:31
narrative by signing Marcus Stroman, we're far off from what
54:37
we used to be. So I don't.
54:39
I don't know. I'd.
54:41
I'd like to see him elsewhere. Let's just say that.
54:44
Please go somewhere else. I'm all good.
54:47
I mean I've been saying it for like the last year plus like the
54:50
only thing I could really say to you is like what have you done
54:54
since O 9? Like you have fallen so far off
54:57
the map. But beyond that I I can't say
55:00
anything dude. Like at least at least heading
55:03
into 2024, you guys are in a position to compete for a
55:06
division and and beyond, but. That's it.
55:09
Like that's the bringing in Soto is like the only and it's not
55:13
just Soto. It's the fact that he's here and
55:15
like we're we got to try and convince him to stay.
55:18
You got to somewhat push chips in the middle of the table.
55:21
So, like, I just dude, you just go try to make a trade
55:24
somewhere. Like, just go try to make a
55:26
trade. We don't need to sign Strowman,
55:30
Loser. Speaking of trade Dylan, see
55:34
it's another name I mentioned. It sounds like the the White Sox
55:41
are maybe pulling that back a little bit.
55:43
It sounds like the asking price might be a little bit too much.
55:48
The one team that I think just has to make this happen, and I I
55:53
would think you might be on board with this, the Baltimore
55:56
Orioles. Yeah, like if asking price is
56:00
the issue. They're the one that can answer
56:02
it. Like as the Orioles, if you're
56:04
OK with this guy's body of work, if you're OK with the contract
56:07
situation and all it comes down to is asking price and
56:12
prospects. You.
56:15
Fit that bill. That's you.
56:16
Like this is your guy to lose. If you're the Orioles, go out
56:20
and get Dylan Sees. We've been saying this for the
56:23
last. Year and a half.
56:25
Year and a half. Like, it's disappointing to see
56:28
that they haven't made that move, whatever that move was.
56:33
I mean, there for a while I was, I was really hoping they'd pull,
56:36
they'd pull Trey in. Obviously he goes to Philly and
56:41
it it seems as though their their infield is going to shake
56:44
out just fine anyway. So pitching would be the next
56:49
big thing, starting pitching A frontline arm.
56:51
And this is a guy that could be that for you.
56:53
I know he had a rocky year, but if you can, if you can recapture
56:57
what he's capable of, what he's shown you as a frontline guy,
57:01
that's a perfect fit in Baltimore.
57:03
So not sure why we haven't made that happen yet.
57:06
I don't know either. I was looking into like numbers
57:09
and stuff just to see like similarity and I'm I'm curious
57:13
to see if if the White Sox are crossing into that same same
57:21
territory they they did with Giulito, like your asking price
57:26
was so high, then he came out and he didn't deliver the
57:31
performance that would justify that asking price.
57:37
And then like a year or two floats by.
57:39
And then then he's 30, and then you move on from him with
57:44
nothing to to show for. It kind of feels like what?
57:49
Like the White Sox MO lately. So I'd hate to see that.
57:54
I'd like to see him go succeed somewhere.
57:56
Yeah, and on that you you don't know what the maybe the Orioles
58:01
are calling their bluff like you they're going you're asking for
58:04
a heck of a lot but are you really sure he's worth that?
58:07
Because sure, he could turn things around, but it's it's
58:12
also equally possible that he doesn't.
58:15
So you want to maybe revisit the asking price.
58:18
If so, we can talk. You don't know what's going on
58:20
behind closed doors, but true if in in a perfect world, I think
58:25
the OS make a great deal of sense for.
58:29
White Sox figured out, dude, so I'm asking so much.
58:35
Last thing I wanted to get to Heim Bloom.
58:40
I'll let you run with this one. See you later, guy.
58:44
I mean, we'd we'd said our farewell a while ago at this
58:48
point, but gets picked up by the Cardinals to serve as the
58:55
advisor. So not quite the same role he
58:59
had in Boston. But I think for good reason,
59:02
teams are maybe a little hesitant to slot him into any
59:05
sort of role. The quote The quote is what got
59:08
me. Where'd he go?
59:12
The Cardinals. Weird.
59:15
OK, the the quote is what got me.
59:18
Bill DeWitt, Junior, I I believe.
59:25
No, no, no, it was John Mosalak, he said.
59:29
I have known Heim for a long time and feel that this is a
59:33
great opportunity for the Saint Louis Cardinals.
59:35
It would be good to get an outside perspective of our
59:39
organization from someone who is as well respected as Heim there
59:46
are. Agents.
59:48
There are agents who have talked about it the for the for Himes
59:53
tenure. They talked about how Hime was
59:56
running the Red Sox like a small market team.
1:00:00
So unless you're talking about like other baseball executives,
1:00:05
I don't know if you could say that he's widely respected in
1:00:09
the baseball world. Yeah.
1:00:12
Because you kind of saw how he ran his former franchise.
1:00:18
So I'd. I'm not saying he's not an
1:00:23
intelligent baseball person, he's obviously brilliant.
1:00:26
But to say I. Don't know.
1:00:30
I'm. I'm imagining that this is how
1:00:33
it went. He called his agent and he was
1:00:35
like, please, please just find me a front office job somewhere
1:00:39
in the league somewhere. The best case scenario is you go
1:00:45
somewhere as an assistant, as an advisor that has success.
1:00:50
You'll ride coattails and find a new job.
1:00:53
After that, it's just I don't. I don't know if the Cardinals
1:01:00
are the the right spot for him in that scenario.
1:01:03
Maybe they they were the only ones calling.
1:01:05
I have no idea, but whatever. A bunch of geriatrics out there
1:01:11
in the rotation. It'd be all good.
1:01:12
Yeah. Like, stay away, have fun.
1:01:15
I don't want you here. About does it.
1:01:20
I know we got to get out of here.
1:01:21
I did have one other thing I wanted to revisit our We kind of
1:01:26
got away from it for a while, but our Unbreakable records
1:01:30
little mini segment series for the offseason.
1:01:35
I know we only have a few minutes, so I'll keep it quick,
1:01:37
but the Bobby Cox ejection record?
1:01:43
I think I I sent you the number a while back, but in case I
1:01:49
didn't do you, are you familiar with just how many times he was
1:01:52
ejected? I genuinely don't even have a
1:01:54
guess. I I how I don't even know it's
1:02:04
high. How many games How many games do
1:02:07
Major League Baseball teams play in a full season?
1:02:10
162. That's how many times he was
1:02:13
ejected. Really.
1:02:14
So he's. Ejected a full season where he
1:02:18
was. He managed for 29 seasons, but
1:02:21
when he'd take into account the ejections, he essentially
1:02:24
managed 28 seasons of baseball. First off, that'll never happen
1:02:31
again. Never.
1:02:32
We're never gonna see a manager stick around for nearly 30
1:02:35
years. No, ain't gonna happen.
1:02:38
So that should tell you all it needs to all all you need.
1:02:44
And review, replay, review. So.
1:02:50
You know, and looking into this record, I I mean, dare I say
1:02:56
this is the safest unbreakable record of.
1:02:59
What's the next even closest to active managers right now?
1:03:05
Cut it in half. No, I'm dead serious.
1:03:10
Cut it in half. Really. 81 Bruce Bochy.
1:03:16
And he's been around forever since.
1:03:21
Time was invented and he is on his way out, presumably in the
1:03:26
very near future. Yeah, And he's 9th all time with
1:03:31
81 Top five. You got Bobby Cox, John McGraw.
1:03:35
John McGraw is 1/21. What's his name?
1:03:41
I can never pronounce it. Leo.
1:03:45
Leo Deritcher, Sure. Durocher as 100.
1:03:51
Earl Weaver, 96. Antonio Larusso with 93.
1:03:57
Yeah, I you know, I don't. I don't see this record being
1:04:08
even remotely approached. Forget being touched or
1:04:12
surpassed. Like not even the only active
1:04:16
guy is Bruce Bocci and he's 9th with half with half and it it
1:04:26
goes back to the whole like instant replay and Robo Oomps
1:04:30
and all that stuff. This is, this is what you miss
1:04:32
out on. This is this is what you.
1:04:34
You you've eliminated an entirely an entertaining section
1:04:39
of of the game. Like a just a facet of the game
1:04:43
that I don't care what calls were missed.
1:04:46
What calls were wrong. Call me crazy, I'm I genuinely
1:04:52
miss seeing guys get tossed and the average I was I was looking
1:04:56
into I didn't get the numbers but the average for ejections
1:04:59
per per game are going like they're just.
1:05:03
Yeah, so I know we, I think we, we laugh about like Boone
1:05:07
getting tossed four or five times in a year and he's he's
1:05:12
got to be like leading the charge.
1:05:13
Yeah, we're like Haroldine. Boone is like the guy, like this
1:05:17
guy. He's off the rails, man.
1:05:19
Really. Yeah.
1:05:21
And then you look at the well, first you look at what he gets
1:05:23
ejected over and I'm like this guy, this is no Earl Weaver.
1:05:27
But then you just look at the numbers at the end of the
1:05:29
season, you're like comparatively, this is a, this
1:05:32
is nothing, this is a walk in the park for Bobby Cox.
1:05:38
Unreal. I miss it.
1:05:40
I miss it. It was awesome.
1:05:44
He's the only little nugget here.
1:05:45
He's the only man Bobby Cox, to be ejected from 2 World Series
1:05:49
games in 1992, was tossed for throwing a helmet onto the
1:05:53
field. The Sky Dome.
1:05:54
Sure, at the Sky Dome during game three against the Blue
1:05:56
Jays. Sure, I like that.
1:06:01
What a legend. I miss the rocking.
1:06:03
Remember the rocking in the dugout?
1:06:04
Yeah, good old. Days, man.
1:06:08
He did it in. He reached that threshold in
1:06:12
4508. Games recorded 100 win season
1:06:16
six times. Remember the Hall of Fame?
1:06:20
Friggin stud. What a guy.
1:06:24
Yeah, he did. He pass away.
1:06:30
Yeah. Few years ago.
1:06:32
Yeah. What year was that?
1:06:36
It's gotta be somewhat recent, four or five years.
1:06:40
Wait a minute. Is he still?
1:06:42
Is he still alive? No way.
1:06:44
Is he still with us? He's still rocking.
1:06:46
Could have sworn he passed. Away, I thought he did, too.
1:06:50
Wow. He's still with.
1:06:51
Oh, that's what it was. He was.
1:06:53
I remember hearing the reports about health complications.
1:06:56
That's what it was, because he was in the hospital for a
1:06:58
variety of things, but. Sounds like he's good now.
1:07:01
He's still, he's still kicking, man 82.
1:07:05
Let's honor my man before before anything crazy happens.
1:07:08
All right, Graves. Like, let's.
1:07:09
Let's do that please. Let's give him his day from.
1:07:12
Tulsa, OK. Of the two of, let me ask you
1:07:18
before we get out of here, of the two unbreakable records that
1:07:20
I think you and now that we know now we've dove into this a
1:07:24
little bit. Between this and Cal Ripken's
1:07:28
record, which of the two do we think is more unbreakable?
1:07:35
That's it's like A1 uppercase A and one lowercase A.
1:07:41
You know what I mean? It's not even A1A1B.
1:07:43
It's an uppercase A and a lowercase.
1:07:46
A. Because you look at Cal Ripken's
1:07:49
record and you're like, there's it's impossible.
1:07:52
But then you look at this and you're like, I I hate to say it,
1:08:01
but is is Bobby Cox's record more unbreakable simply because
1:08:06
of the way that the game is changing?
1:08:08
Like, I'll probably say yes. You just can't get ejected at
1:08:12
that. Rate anymore it's it's
1:08:13
impossible. Something tells me that like
1:08:15
the, the, the, the there are going to be guys that try and
1:08:24
find some type of longevity is like a priority in their career.
1:08:27
So I I I guess it just like hypothetically because I think
1:08:32
it's never going to happen either way.
1:08:34
But yeah, let's give Bobby Cox the 1A uppercase A.
1:08:40
And not just just to reiterate, neither record is getting
1:08:43
touched. But yeah, degree of impossible
1:08:46
is what we're looking at. Yeah, yeah, I I wonder if like,
1:08:50
I don't know when fines were being introduced, but if fines
1:08:54
were so minuscule in like the first 50 to 80 of his ejections
1:08:59
and now fines or you know, 10s of thousands of dollars,
1:09:04
sometimes it's like that probably nips it in the butt a
1:09:07
little bit quicker on top of all the other stuff.
1:09:11
Well, it might be relative too, because manage, I mean Craig
1:09:14
counts a part for example, managers are making far more.
1:09:17
So I don't know if it's if the rate has increased or if it's
1:09:20
just kind of. I'd like to know on.
1:09:22
Track. If anyone's bored one day, look
1:09:24
that up for us. Yeah, dig that up for us.
1:09:27
What? How our our manager finds more
1:09:32
than they were back in the Bobby Cox days.
1:09:35
Relative to salary? Relative to salary, Let's get
1:09:39
homework assignment. Let's get home assignment.
1:09:41
We'll leave you guys with that. It's good to be back.
1:09:44
Thank you all for for bearing with us.
1:09:46
Thank you all for for checking out those few episodes to round
1:09:51
out the year. Had a lot, like I said, had a
1:09:53
lot going on. Shouhei Yamamoto, we even
1:09:55
dropped a a three O change up in there.
1:09:58
We'll be getting back to those here in the in the very near
1:10:00
future, but appreciate you listening and welcome to year
1:10:05
seven. Yeah, of the three O take.
1:10:09
Let's go. Glad to have you all along for
1:10:12
the journey, so we will see you guys next week.
1:10:15
Love it? Let's get it this year.
1:10:17
Let's get after it, everybody. Don't go chasing curveballs.
1:10:22
Love you, honest. Always looking forward to
1:10:23
talking more baseball with you guys soon.
1:10:24
Until next time, stay filthy.