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What's the deal with ASMR? · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from how Stuff Works
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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,
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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry over there
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Speaker 1: eating god knows what for lunch. And this is stuff
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Speaker 1: you should know, the Jerry's Lunch edition about SMR. And
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Speaker 1: that's the addition that everyone loves the best. Yes, you're
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Speaker 1: doing so good, Chuck. I'm sure zero people had an
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Speaker 1: a s m R experience just now. Well, let's I mean,
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Speaker 1: I need to know. Do you know do you get
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Speaker 1: the tingles? No? Not either. I don't even think I
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Speaker 1: could put myself in that position where I'd be like, like, stop,
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Speaker 1: stop touching the camera that's supposed to be my face.
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Speaker 1: Not comfortable. I watched a bunch of these just to see.
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Speaker 1: You know, you have to dive in head first and
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Speaker 1: really get a sense. And uh, I had a hard time.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there for too long. Even I might have
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Speaker 1: the opposite effect. Yes, there's a very good question that
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Speaker 1: I wrote at the end. Why not be freaked out
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Speaker 1: by this? Why do the exact opposite and enter a euphoric,
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Speaker 1: meditative state. It's a very bizarre, really interesting thing, and
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Speaker 1: not bizarre in any kind of weird like, look at
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Speaker 1: these weirdos, I want to poke them in the in
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Speaker 1: the net kind of thing. It's more like it's a genuinely,
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Speaker 1: legitimately bizarre and if we can figure it out, it'll
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Speaker 1: unlock a whole other corridor to the brain that we
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Speaker 1: didn't really know existed. Yeah, so in true stuff, you
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Speaker 1: should know fashion A lot of you have no idea
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. UM A s MR stands for autonomous,
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Speaker 1: is how you say it. I went with autonomous autonomous
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Speaker 1: I think so, I think you're probably right, autonomous sensory
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Speaker 1: meridian response, which sounds very clinical. Yeah, and we'll we'll
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Speaker 1: we'll get to that. But I think everyone needs to
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Speaker 1: know what it is, uh, and what it is is
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Speaker 1: uh generally a video that you will watch online, although
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Speaker 1: it's really just sounds, but the way they present themselves
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Speaker 1: these days or audio clips and video clips, it's and
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Speaker 1: it's not just sounds, it's it's also closeness is a
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Speaker 1: big part of it too. Uh. Okay, but it's it's
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Speaker 1: a sound. It's a response to sounds that some people
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Speaker 1: get and some people don't. UM A tingling sensation in
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Speaker 1: the head moves down the neck. Uh. Some people call
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Speaker 1: it like a tickle. Some people call it like a
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Speaker 1: head orgasm or brain orgasm, a tickle in your skull. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So then that is triggered by hearing certain sounds like
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Speaker 1: whispering voices or seeing repetitive motions is another one too. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I think I get For my research, I found
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Speaker 1: that it was mostly sound and that the visual component
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Speaker 1: is just by virtue of the fact that a lot
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Speaker 1: of these are on YouTube. Is that So I got
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Speaker 1: that from that too. But I also saw that in
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Speaker 1: one of these UM surveys that said that slow movements
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Speaker 1: UM accounted for triggering for of the participants. So yeah, men,
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Speaker 1: seems significant, But I get what you're saying, Like it
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Speaker 1: does seem like the sounds are far and away, like
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Speaker 1: the crux of the whole thing. Yeah, and they're all
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Speaker 1: different kinds of sounds. Like the best way to really
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Speaker 1: it's hard to describe, is to really just go listen
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Speaker 1: to one real quick. UM. It always includes whispering, and
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Speaker 1: I think that's my biggest turn off. A lot of
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Speaker 1: the other sounds are fine and pleasing to me, they
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Speaker 1: don't give me the tingle, But they're relaxing, but I
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Speaker 1: don't like someone whispering in my ear. I don't like that.
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Speaker 1: I've determined that that is basically what you're going to
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Speaker 1: get with a SMR videos is somebody whispering in what
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Speaker 1: seems like your ear. Yeah, I have personal triggers for
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Speaker 1: that from my childhood. I think pleasant ones no unpleasant,
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Speaker 1: which is why i'd have an aversion to it now.
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Speaker 1: So I might be an parents. No, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about it, but it's uh, it's it's I
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Speaker 1: think I might be an l lier. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I definitely don't get the tinkles. I don't get the
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Speaker 1: tinkles either, And it's not I don't want to say
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Speaker 1: like it's a ingreat. Well, it's not a huge aversion
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Speaker 1: to it, but I'm not like, I don't like it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not big into it. How about that when I
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Speaker 1: was watching and that lady was whispering too much, I
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Speaker 1: literally had to rip the earbuds out of my ears.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a real aversion. But some of the sounds,
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Speaker 1: like the tinking of a glass or that's another one.
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Speaker 1: Stuff like that was okay. It's specifically the whispering that
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Speaker 1: doesn't jibe with my ears, understood, So if you're if
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Speaker 1: you're still kind of sitting there going huh. Put another way,
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Speaker 1: some sounds and possibly some sites actually trigger a really
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Speaker 1: unusual sensation in people where they feel like it's one.
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Speaker 1: One woman described it um kind of like sparkles or
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Speaker 1: fireworks going off in your head on your scalp. The
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Speaker 1: strongest one, and this is really really significant to the
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Speaker 1: strongest version of an a SMR experience will leave you
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Speaker 1: feeling exhausted and pleasantly tired, satisfied, she said, like you're
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Speaker 1: just like you just had some sort of climax of sorts, right,
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Speaker 1: But we want to point out and we'll get into
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Speaker 1: it more later. This is not for the vast majority
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Speaker 1: of people who experience this. This is not um sexual
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Speaker 1: in any way. It's sensual, but it's not sexual. It's
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Speaker 1: something entirely different. And it's also not what's called freezon,
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Speaker 1: which is getting the chills when you hear like an
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Speaker 1: amazing piece of music or something really incredible has happened art, right,
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Speaker 1: that'll give you the chill bumps. So it's not that,
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Speaker 1: and it's not sexual. It's its own thing that we're
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Speaker 1: just now starting to realize is its own thing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's pretty new as far as people talking about
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Speaker 1: it and trying to define it. Um. Obviously, if this
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Speaker 1: is a a real thing, that it has been around
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Speaker 1: forever most likely, but no one ever knew. You know,
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Speaker 1: maybe someone in the seventeenth century was like whenever they
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Speaker 1: got whispered to, they got a head tingle. And maybe
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Speaker 1: back then their response might have been to turn around
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Speaker 1: and like bludgeon somebody with a you know, if it
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Speaker 1: was you, if you have a hug them, thank you
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Speaker 1: for that. Back then they may not have wanted to relax,
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Speaker 1: like this is making me feel relaxed. I must kill
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Speaker 1: you know, stay on the edge like al Pacino and heat. Sure.
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Speaker 1: Why um, but that that that grouping of words is
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Speaker 1: very recent. A woman named Jennifer Allen Um. She she
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Speaker 1: coined the term. She is the person that made up
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Speaker 1: those words. After Yeah, after about a decade of looking
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Speaker 1: for other people who experienced a s m R what
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Speaker 1: would come to be called a s m R. UM,
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Speaker 1: I guess we're not for the internet. People would still
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Speaker 1: be walking around either assuming that everybody experiences this and
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Speaker 1: not talking about it, or thinking that they were the
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Speaker 1: only one and not talking about it, And were it
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Speaker 1: not for Jennifer Allen, it might have we still might
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Speaker 1: not be talking about it. But she sought out some
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Speaker 1: other people who are experiencing this because she recognized it
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Speaker 1: as a usual and she found a thread on a
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Speaker 1: forum called Steady Health and there are people talking about
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Speaker 1: She said, hey, let's move this to Facebook. That's what
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Speaker 1: people do these days because that's a non judgmental place
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Speaker 1: where everybody can get along. So let's just create a
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Speaker 1: Facebook page. So she did in two and she I
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Speaker 1: think that year the next year came up with this
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Speaker 1: term autonomous sensory meridian response. Totally made up, completely made up,
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Speaker 1: but every scientific term is made up at one point
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Speaker 1: by somebody, normally by scientists. She is a cybersecurity expert, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is fine. Like, like she did it to um
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Speaker 1: to basically give it credence enough so that people could
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Speaker 1: start talking about it without without it being like just
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Speaker 1: some weird, fringy things. She's trying to start a legitimate conversation,
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Speaker 1: so it worked like a charm. It's a good name.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's what scientists call it now, all right,
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Speaker 1: it's good enough. Yeah, Like she definitely secured her place
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Speaker 1: in history is the the person who coined the term
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Speaker 1: autonomous sensory meridium response. So, uh, all right, I guess
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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. It's it's a very personal experience
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Speaker 1: for people. Um, No one, no two people will experience
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Speaker 1: the same feeling or from the same triggers. I love
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Speaker 1: this one guy, Um from the BBC. They were talking
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Speaker 1: about how like, why is it? Why are we hearing
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Speaker 1: about this now? And you're exactly right, it's because of
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Speaker 1: the Internet. Even a very small um percentage of the
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Speaker 1: population that experience something like this collected on a Facebook
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Speaker 1: site or on YouTube seems all of a sudden, like
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Speaker 1: a lot of folks, And it is a lot of folks, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but not compared to the population at large, right, So
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Speaker 1: proportionately speaking, this seems to be it seems to be
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Speaker 1: just a very small proportion of of people in general
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Speaker 1: who experienced a s MR. Like I don't you experienced
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Speaker 1: anti a s MR. Apparently, Jerry, you Jerry a SMR. No,
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Speaker 1: she did the head cut off thing too. But there
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Speaker 1: are people, I guarantee there are people out there listening
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Speaker 1: right now who are like, oh, I've heard of this,
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Speaker 1: but I've never tried it, who will go try it
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Speaker 1: and find out that they actually do experience as mr
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Speaker 1: and will probably email us and be like, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for introducing me to that. Jerry's reaction, though,
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Speaker 1: does it seem more like, Uh, don't bother me with
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Speaker 1: this right now, unless like, no, I have tried it
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Speaker 1: and not experienced it. Yes, it was a please just
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Speaker 1: keep podcasting guys. It was I meaning God knows what
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Speaker 1: sign continue. Um. So the uh, the writer of this article,
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Speaker 1: um got it a little bit wrong here, uh, And
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Speaker 1: that they said it's not something that just randomly randomly
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Speaker 1: happens in your daily life. These sounds that is not
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Speaker 1: true at all. They absolutely happen in everyday life. And
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Speaker 1: that's how people know that. They get this response. And
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Speaker 1: then the A S. M Artists, the people on YouTube
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Speaker 1: that actually perform, is that what you would say? They
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Speaker 1: they replicate these sounds that you do here in everyday
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Speaker 1: life that give you these triggers. So you don't have
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Speaker 1: to go to the barber and get a scalp massage
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Speaker 1: every day. You can just go on to YouTube and
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Speaker 1: get the same effect. Yeah, like you may have just
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Speaker 1: you may be in your break room and you hear
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Speaker 1: someone tapping on a glass bottle, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you're sculpted. Tingles goes down your neck, into your shoulders,
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Speaker 1: down your spine, and you are met with a feeling
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Speaker 1: of euphoric meditation in relief. And then everyone in the
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Speaker 1: break room is like, geez, Gary, where did you go? Uh?
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Speaker 1: And then Gary can go home and just watch videos
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Speaker 1: of Zoe Kravitz doing it in the Super Bowl commercial.
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Speaker 1: So let's let's take a break and then we'll come
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Speaker 1: back and talk about YouTube and how it's completely opened
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Speaker 1: up the a s m R community. Okay, let's do
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Speaker 1: it alright, Chuck um. So, like we said, without the Internet,
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Speaker 1: we might not have a name for this, we might
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Speaker 1: not be talking about it right now, and definitely well
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't even have a podcast, so sure that's true.
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Speaker 1: We'd be out on the street court and being like
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Speaker 1: here read this, um. The Without YouTube though, a SMR
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Speaker 1: would would not be anywhere like where it is right now,
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Speaker 1: because it allows anybody to to make an a s
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Speaker 1: m R video, And honestly, anybody with a decent type
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Speaker 1: mix and a mind to do it can make a
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Speaker 1: SMR videos and they have I saw somewhere that there's
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Speaker 1: something like seventeen million a s MR videos on YouTube
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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, but I mean I would disagree though,
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Speaker 1: you you there is some skill involved, right, Like if
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Speaker 1: I went to go make one, it would be terrible
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Speaker 1: and not elicit any tingles. I didn't mean to diminish
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Speaker 1: the skill involved. I meant to say, like, because YouTube
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Speaker 1: democratizing uh entry to like performances to people you've never
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Speaker 1: even met, that's that's opened the door for a s MR.
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Speaker 1: Anyone with a skill for doing so can yeah, or
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Speaker 1: a desire to. Yeah, yeah, but it does take skill,
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Speaker 1: I think. So. Yeah, you can't just be like you
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Speaker 1: can't just shout all of a sudden or like lunge
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Speaker 1: of people at the camera. What are you wearing? You're
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Speaker 1: like no, like maybe like sharpening a knife on a
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Speaker 1: stone while you're staring into the camera. That probably not help. No,
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Speaker 1: that's a different YouTube channel, right it is, But I'll
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Speaker 1: bet it's out there, um, and there is. It's not
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Speaker 1: just YouTube obviously. If you go to any of the audio, um,
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Speaker 1: they're probably a SMR podcasts. I'm sure there's a ton
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Speaker 1: of them. But SoundCloud in all these other places to
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Speaker 1: aggregate sound files. There are tens of thousands of them, yes,
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Speaker 1: and um, they are extraordinarily varied and what what they are,
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Speaker 1: what you're going to see, what you're going to hear.
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Speaker 1: I saw one that was pretty great. It was a
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Speaker 1: woman eating taco bell. No talking, just strictly eating taco bell.
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Speaker 1: But it was cute, like she comes along and she's
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Speaker 1: like and like makes this face like oh, a table
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Speaker 1: full of taco bell and just starts proceeding to like
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Speaker 1: unwrap it and eat it. And then the real kid
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Speaker 1: girl And this is what made a s MRI as heck.
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Speaker 1: Um there the her throat was miked, so not only
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Speaker 1: did you hear the crunch of the taco, you heard
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Speaker 1: the chewing like there was a mic in her mouth,
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Speaker 1: and then you heard the gulping from the swallow every bite.
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Speaker 1: That's a weird a SMR video though usually they're not
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Speaker 1: like that. This was a s m R because that's
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Speaker 1: a I mean, there's another what's the disorder, not disorder,
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Speaker 1: but what's the condition people? Yeah, like that's a nightmare
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Speaker 1: off a mesa phoniac. Yeah, this is straight for them
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Speaker 1: because usually it's some sort of a soothing sound, not
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Speaker 1: the gullet washing down cheap beef. But no, I've seen
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Speaker 1: rainforest fed bee. Um. I've seen other ones where it's
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Speaker 1: like it was a girl drinking like from a half
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Speaker 1: gallon bottle of water with a law of mike up
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Speaker 1: against her throat and it was just gold. Gold Like
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Speaker 1: that is a thing on a s MAR. No, But
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, does that mean like would the real a
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Speaker 1: s MR, Like I guess you could call them experts,
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Speaker 1: would they say, yeah, that's a s MR. Or would
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Speaker 1: they say, no, that's someone that just threw that tag
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Speaker 1: up there that has nothing to do with a you know,
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Speaker 1: I think what they would say is from what we
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Speaker 1: understand about a s MR. Now who knows that is
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Speaker 1: probably something that could trigger an a s m R
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Speaker 1: experience and somebody ergo, it's a s m R. It's
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Speaker 1: that wide and varied, which we'll get to an explanation
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Speaker 1: for that at the big reveal. Okay, but if you
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Speaker 1: go on to YouTube, there's a bunch of um different
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Speaker 1: variety to it. There's also some through lines that you're
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Speaker 1: going to see or here in just about any a
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Speaker 1: s MR video though, Yeah, whispers like we've talked about
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Speaker 1: uh binaural recording, which is that's the one part of
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Speaker 1: it I do like I enjoy binaural recordings and being
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Speaker 1: able to hear, you know, And they always recommend head
16:00
Speaker 1: phones better, the best headphones you can afford. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: to hear, uh, I mean that's why I love the
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Speaker 1: Beatles so much. Like to hear sound going from left
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Speaker 1: to right is pleasing to me. Hearing a good slide
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Speaker 1: whistle go all the way through your skull, fingers, tapping
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Speaker 1: crisp sounds, that's a big one. Yeah, like scissors. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of barbershop stuff. This one lady I
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Speaker 1: watched was doing this uh thing right and she would
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Speaker 1: do it in the left and then the right, and
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw my computer out the window. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it's another thing too, Like very frequently it's just
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Speaker 1: a person, typically a woman, also typically wearing like a
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Speaker 1: low cut shirt. Yeah. We'll get into that too, okay. Um,
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Speaker 1: and the and the mics, and they're not trying to
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Speaker 1: hide that. She like she's playing with the mic, like
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Speaker 1: maybe like tapping it or doing what you were just
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Speaker 1: doing into it, or rubbing it or something like that,
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Speaker 1: creating sounds or talk king into it. Soothing, whispering words
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Speaker 1: of affirmation, calming words. That part makes a little more
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Speaker 1: sense to me. Um. But the point is is that
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Speaker 1: it's binural binural recording, so it's like three D stereo,
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Speaker 1: so it sounds like you're right there, like it's being
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Speaker 1: spoken right into your ear. And they'll some very frequently
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Speaker 1: be a mike for each ear and she will go
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Speaker 1: or he There are some guy A S m R
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Speaker 1: channels go from mike to mike and ear to ear.
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Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting to watch because it's like you
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Speaker 1: you get to see how the sausage is made, you know,
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Speaker 1: which is unusual. You'd think it would just be just podcasting,
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Speaker 1: like but I think from from what I understand, that's
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Speaker 1: part of it. Seeing like the fingers like move like that, um,
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Speaker 1: like just kind of tapping in a certain way as
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Speaker 1: kind of meditative and relaxing. Well, the like I mentioned before,
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Speaker 1: the brake Zoe Kravitz, Um, it was very big deal
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Speaker 1: with super Bowl commercial, put it on the map more
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Speaker 1: than ever before because all of a sudden, you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know however, many hundred or million people watch
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but a lot of people that have
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Speaker 1: no idea what this is. We're exposed to it for
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Speaker 1: the first time with Zoe Kravitz on a at a
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Speaker 1: desk on a mountaintop, tapping on a beer bottle and
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Speaker 1: pouring a beer and speaking into the left and right mix.
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Speaker 1: And I think the reaction by a lot of folks
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Speaker 1: that know what the deal is is like, oh interesting.
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Speaker 1: They put a SMR on the Super Bowl or the
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Speaker 1: Big Game, and then people were like, what in the
18:37
Speaker 1: heck is that girl doing? I wonder if anyone was
18:41
Speaker 1: well assume, so there were probably a lot of dudes
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Speaker 1: and their recliners that were liking, I don't know what's happening.
18:48
Speaker 1: It's kind of like finding out you get seesuars by
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Speaker 1: watching that one episode of Pokemon, right, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: good time to realize that there's a couple other um
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Speaker 1: things you'll find too. It's apecially like um role playing.
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Speaker 1: You'll see role playing a lot in these videos. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: the one lady I saw look like she was sort
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Speaker 1: of performing as a nurse might m hm, So I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that counts as role playing. Was that
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Speaker 1: um Maria from gent Whisper Gentle Whispering. Maybe they kind
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Speaker 1: of all ran together for me. So she is the
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Speaker 1: like the the most popular a s MR artist or
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Speaker 1: a SM artist around. I think she has like one,
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Speaker 1: like one point six million subscribers. And she does a
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Speaker 1: lot of role playing where she will pretend and it's
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Speaker 1: not just her, there's others that do this too. But
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Speaker 1: rather than just sitting there messing with a mic or something,
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Speaker 1: she's got like a whole little set where it looks
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Speaker 1: like you are getting an eye exam in an optometrists office,
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Speaker 1: and but the optometrist is whispering to you the whole time,
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Speaker 1: and it's telling you how great you're doing at this
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Speaker 1: I X and you're doing so good it's so strange
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Speaker 1: to me. Let's see how these fit. And here's another
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Speaker 1: thing about role playing too, is it's meant to be
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Speaker 1: p o V. So the camera is your eyes. So
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Speaker 1: the the A s M artist will be messing like
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Speaker 1: around the camera, like putting the glasses like they're they're
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Speaker 1: putting them on you. So they're whispering and they're touching
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Speaker 1: you lightly, and they're they're speaking words of like encouragement
20:26
Speaker 1: and affirmation to you. And this supposedly is like the
20:30
Speaker 1: big one. This is the ones that like that that
20:33
Speaker 1: make it feel like it's fireworks and make people feel
20:36
Speaker 1: like satisfied afterwards, like from this, what wave of you four?
20:40
Speaker 1: Your wash over them? See I see that and listen
20:43
Speaker 1: to it, and I think I'm running out of that
20:47
Speaker 1: Optometros office as fast as my little legs can care.
20:50
Speaker 1: But that's that's the hilarious thing. Like if you step
20:53
Speaker 1: back and imagine, like an actual real world experience like
20:56
Speaker 1: this should be like is there something wrong with you?
20:58
Speaker 1: It's like why are you whispering? Dude? But that's yeah.
21:01
Speaker 1: But apparently if you experience a SMR, that would be
21:04
Speaker 1: your dream, like, oh my god, a real and tell
21:08
Speaker 1: me how good these glasses look on me? Well, they're
21:10
Speaker 1: just kind of messing with my side burns a little bit.
21:12
Speaker 1: Oh so interesting, It is very interesting. It is all
21:17
Speaker 1: generally intended to relax someone, uh and introduce what's known
21:21
Speaker 1: as a state of flow, which is you know you've
21:24
Speaker 1: heard about artists and musicians and created Yeah, sure, athletes
21:30
Speaker 1: getting in that state of flow. It's almost like, uh,
21:33
Speaker 1: it's really just lebron kind of kind of like a
21:35
Speaker 1: runner's high maybe where uh or if you're creative, things
21:40
Speaker 1: are just you've opened yourself up and you're channeling creative
21:44
Speaker 1: energy to cross hatchings is coming right out of your pencil.
21:48
Speaker 1: That's just and I'm not making fun of that. I've
21:49
Speaker 1: I've gotten into states of flow for surely. Gosh, it'd
21:52
Speaker 1: be so neat to be able to just trigger that
21:54
Speaker 1: or bring it on likely without thinking. Well, I think
21:58
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of artists like they try to
22:01
Speaker 1: get that through drugs and alcohol. Yeah, but that's a
22:05
Speaker 1: that's a blind alley friend. Yeah, it is so um,
22:09
Speaker 1: I get you through for a little while, but it's
22:10
Speaker 1: dead in street and really it's not gonna it's not
22:13
Speaker 1: gonna bring on the flow. It's gonna it's gonna mislead
22:17
Speaker 1: you because you'll think you're in the zone, playing amazingly,
22:20
Speaker 1: and all anybody's here is like, and you're not supposed
22:24
Speaker 1: to be playing like that, So stay off the drugs.
22:28
Speaker 1: I guess we should talk a little bit more about
22:30
Speaker 1: the you know, when you said they might be wearing
22:32
Speaker 1: low cut shirts and the whole sex thing, Well, a
22:35
Speaker 1: lot of people see that then see the whispering and
22:38
Speaker 1: the touching, and they're like, oh, well this is porn
22:40
Speaker 1: of some sort obviously. Yeah, Like it's I've I watched
22:44
Speaker 1: a few of the videos, and again, it's not like
22:47
Speaker 1: like anyone, like you said, anyone can put something up there.
22:49
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there are some a s M artists
22:52
Speaker 1: that maybe to get more views, might try and be
22:56
Speaker 1: more sexually tantalizing. But like there are all kinds of
23:01
Speaker 1: videos out there and all kinds of people watching them.
23:03
Speaker 1: Some people may not feel anything sexual at all, and
23:06
Speaker 1: it's only central most people. Most people. Some people may
23:09
Speaker 1: masturbate to an a s M R video. Apparently five
23:13
Speaker 1: percent of them do. Uh well, I guess so. But
23:16
Speaker 1: for the vast majority of them, the vast majority of
23:20
Speaker 1: people who experience a s M are they say, no,
23:23
Speaker 1: it's not for sex, it's this has nothing to do
23:27
Speaker 1: with sex. It's something totally different, and um, it's just
23:31
Speaker 1: not sexual. So it's intimate, there's no getting around that. Yeah,
23:36
Speaker 1: And then it's a huge part of the whole experience
23:39
Speaker 1: is that it's super intimate, and that maybe what triggers
23:42
Speaker 1: the whole thing, is that that a threshold of of
23:46
Speaker 1: intimacy is met and then crossed and then there goes
23:50
Speaker 1: your fireworks in your skull. Right, Um, I wonder how
23:53
Speaker 1: this fix a relationship though, Like, I don't know if
23:56
Speaker 1: someone came home and their husband had a an on
24:00
Speaker 1: owing everyday thing with this woman on YouTube where she
24:04
Speaker 1: was stroking the camera lens and whispering in his ear,
24:07
Speaker 1: I don't know. I could see people. I could see
24:09
Speaker 1: someone turning to their their spouse or loved one and
24:12
Speaker 1: be like, Hey, that's not too cool. Yeah, you want
24:16
Speaker 1: someone to whisper, and you're I'll do it. I'm supposed
24:18
Speaker 1: to do the whispering or maybe I mean, I could
24:20
Speaker 1: see it causing problems. I would guess they would have
24:22
Speaker 1: this follow along the same lines of like whatever problems
24:26
Speaker 1: pornography would cause, you know, I mean maybe even not
24:29
Speaker 1: because it is intimate. I could see somebody being like,
24:32
Speaker 1: I'm okay with the porn, but not the p O
24:34
Speaker 1: V intimacy of the A S M R. I don't
24:37
Speaker 1: know what kind of things that would. I could see
24:39
Speaker 1: it causing problems here there. I mean, I didn't even
24:42
Speaker 1: see that raised in any article I read. I was
24:44
Speaker 1: just kinda curious he just raised it. Yeah, But for
24:46
Speaker 1: the most part, I guess what we're trying to say
24:48
Speaker 1: is if you're an outsider looking in and you think
24:51
Speaker 1: this is just porn or some sort of weird sexual
24:54
Speaker 1: fetish thing. That's not the case for almost all people
24:57
Speaker 1: who are watching these videos. It's not what it is. Yeah,
24:59
Speaker 1: those of the same people who think, like, you know,
25:02
Speaker 1: every massage is that kind of massage, Like, well, no massage,
25:06
Speaker 1: just to relax your body, to heal your body. I think.
25:08
Speaker 1: Also one of the reasons why there is great misunderstanding
25:13
Speaker 1: is because of the use of terms like brain orgasm
25:16
Speaker 1: or some people call it whisper porn, and so people
25:19
Speaker 1: are just kind of they're kind of misunderstanding the lingo
25:22
Speaker 1: a little bit. That doesn't automatically mean sex. It's internet lingo.
25:26
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they're all kinds of either articles or
25:29
Speaker 1: YouTube collections where it's like top five hottest a s
25:32
Speaker 1: m R chicks, right, That certainly doesn't help their case. Also,
25:35
Speaker 1: the other thing is a lot of comments will be like, oh, yeah,
25:39
Speaker 1: it's YouTube super yeah exactly, but um, it's it's possible
25:44
Speaker 1: and even likely that these aren't actually people experiencing a
25:47
Speaker 1: s MR. They're just going through YouTube looking for videos
25:51
Speaker 1: of women with low cut shirts looking into the camera. Yeah,
25:54
Speaker 1: and its YouTube, and they objectify women in every way
25:57
Speaker 1: possible because you can post a video of a a
26:00
Speaker 1: talented um young woman playing the violin and half the
26:03
Speaker 1: comments will be about her appearance. YouTube does have a
26:07
Speaker 1: reputation for that, and rightly earned. Should we take another break?
26:10
Speaker 1: Let's take another break? Man? All right, Chuck? So we
26:36
Speaker 1: talk about science. Yeah, let's do a little science talk.
26:38
Speaker 1: There's not much on it. No, the first actual peer
26:42
Speaker 1: reviewed study of a s MR UM. It was published
26:46
Speaker 1: as recently as two thousand fifteen from Swansea University or Swansea?
26:51
Speaker 1: Do you know how to say that? I don't know.
26:53
Speaker 1: I've always said Swansea, but I just realized I could
26:56
Speaker 1: be wrong. So let's say that I believe if it's
27:00
Speaker 1: in the UK. UM, So let's just say Dorchestershire. UM.
27:05
Speaker 1: They did a puero. Well, a couple of researchers brought
27:08
Speaker 1: in Davis did a survey of a s MR experiencers,
27:12
Speaker 1: experiencers and UM just tried to at least do the
27:17
Speaker 1: most basic foundational groundwork of describing whether UM. And they
27:22
Speaker 1: did a pretty good job too. You see, this referenced
27:24
Speaker 1: a lot, not a lot of criticisms of it, but
27:27
Speaker 1: they found I think like a few hundred. I can't
27:32
Speaker 1: find the number right now, but they there it was
27:34
Speaker 1: a decent population size of people who experience a SMR,
27:39
Speaker 1: and they said, well, why do you do this? Like,
27:42
Speaker 1: what do you get out of this? Is I probably
27:44
Speaker 1: the question they asked first, and then problem, what triggers this? Right?
27:49
Speaker 1: And um, they found that ninety eight percent of people
27:52
Speaker 1: who watch a s MR videos seek out these experiences
27:57
Speaker 1: on YouTube do it for relaxation. Almost everybody, Yeah, which
28:01
Speaker 1: says a lot because again, when you think of this,
28:04
Speaker 1: um from an outsider's view, you're like, oh, it's arousing,
28:07
Speaker 1: it's it's titillating. It puts you on edge, like you
28:10
Speaker 1: know when you hear a music crescendo or something like that.
28:13
Speaker 1: Apparently it doesn't do that. It gives you tingles. But
28:16
Speaker 1: it also is meditative and relaxing, which is I've never
28:19
Speaker 1: experienced anything like that, you know what I mean. So
28:23
Speaker 1: it's really its own thing. So it's very relaxing. Afterwards,
28:27
Speaker 1: during massage, do you relax. I don't get massages at all.
28:31
Speaker 1: I'm too high strung for that. Okay, I don't get
28:33
Speaker 1: them much at all either. Uh, And I find that
28:37
Speaker 1: I can I can generally kind of go there and
28:39
Speaker 1: just like super relax but there's always a bit of
28:43
Speaker 1: shame and embarrassment for me, which is just dumb. Yeah,
28:46
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's no hold over stuff from my
28:50
Speaker 1: churchy upbringing, you know. But you can't even go there.
28:55
Speaker 1: I don't even open that door, like sir of the
28:59
Speaker 1: the have a wire cable running down your spine is
29:02
Speaker 1: pretty much I can't seem to to tweak it. Yeah,
29:06
Speaker 1: but what was the point of the question. Well, I
29:08
Speaker 1: was just kind of curious because hearing how you were
29:11
Speaker 1: about feel about a SMR, I was like, just wondering
29:14
Speaker 1: if you have trouble with any kind of relaxing experience.
29:18
Speaker 1: I have trouble with all of the relaxing experiences. Okay, yeah,
29:22
Speaker 1: all right, um, yeah, I'm a little high strung. You know. Well, no,
29:25
Speaker 1: I know that, I was just I just wanted me
29:27
Speaker 1: to admit it on Mike. No. I wondered if there
29:29
Speaker 1: was anything if you were like, yeah, but I do
29:31
Speaker 1: like a good foot massage. Those are nice, like teet Okay,
29:35
Speaker 1: there you go, I am. I am for those, but
29:37
Speaker 1: every once in a while you'll get one in that
29:39
Speaker 1: like it's the real deal where they dig in to
29:43
Speaker 1: the arch of your foot. And their thumb basically goes
29:46
Speaker 1: up to your knee. It was like it hurts, and
29:50
Speaker 1: it's like a suffering kind of hurt, like like your
29:52
Speaker 1: fingernail being bent back, like bad hurt. And so I
29:56
Speaker 1: haven't been back since. Okay, So yeah, no, I don't relax,
29:59
Speaker 1: I guess, is what I'm trying to say. They're they're
30:03
Speaker 1: kind of jeremy really, So no, what about just floating
30:07
Speaker 1: in a pool. Have you ever been in a relaxation tank? No,
30:10
Speaker 1: that I was wondering that. I've done that a couple
30:12
Speaker 1: of times. Really neat because it's dark and it's private.
30:15
Speaker 1: There was one experience, I guess I've done it twice.
30:18
Speaker 1: Both times you just completely lose track of time to
30:22
Speaker 1: do this. It's really neat, chuck um. And the first
30:27
Speaker 1: time I got I lost sensation in my body down
30:33
Speaker 1: to my central nervous system. So in the water, all
30:37
Speaker 1: I could feel floating was my brain, my spinal cord,
30:41
Speaker 1: and some of the major peripheral nerves coming off of
30:44
Speaker 1: my spinal cord. That was all of my body that
30:46
Speaker 1: I could feel at that point. Everything else that just
30:49
Speaker 1: melted into the water and into the darkness because it
30:51
Speaker 1: is the darkness is complete. There's no light, not even
30:55
Speaker 1: a chance for light to come in. It just doesn't
30:57
Speaker 1: exist there. Um, and the ownes are just you're just
31:01
Speaker 1: in your own world. It's amazing. Yeah see there. Yeah,
31:04
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I need to get one of
31:06
Speaker 1: those that buy one just take out a helock and
31:11
Speaker 1: uh and throw down some money. How much are those?
31:15
Speaker 1: Do you know? Probably I was thinking over ten million
31:20
Speaker 1: dollars it might as well be. Uh. So let's get
31:23
Speaker 1: back to the study that's alongside track, So ninety percent
31:27
Speaker 1: for relaxation to help them sleep, seventy to deal with stress.
31:32
Speaker 1: So you see a through line here. Um. And then
31:35
Speaker 1: they looked at the most common triggers analysis of responses
31:39
Speaker 1: found four prominent categories experience, each one by over fifty.
31:46
Speaker 1: So whispering at personal attention at sixty nine. That's a
31:50
Speaker 1: big deal, it seems like. And what we'll get to
31:52
Speaker 1: that in a second, because there are a lot of
31:54
Speaker 1: people that think that has a lot to do with this,
31:56
Speaker 1: Those people that may not get the kind of intimacy
31:59
Speaker 1: and attention they neat like there's a separate track of people. Yeah, uh,
32:03
Speaker 1: what else crisp sounds? Have you ever had a coffee
32:06
Speaker 1: crisp candy bar. Mm I don't think so. Man good. Yeah,
32:11
Speaker 1: they have them in Canada. I think you can get
32:12
Speaker 1: them at like a like a world market. Get one.
32:17
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you one. You're gonna love it. Like
32:20
Speaker 1: coffee stuff, You're gonna love it. And then slow movements,
32:23
Speaker 1: so that would be a visual queue like folding towels,
32:27
Speaker 1: repetitive stuff. That's so funny to me. Yeah, I like
32:30
Speaker 1: repetitive things because I love those. Uh. I've talked a
32:33
Speaker 1: lot about the like how it's made shows and shows
32:36
Speaker 1: like the repetitive industrial processes. I think that's like a
32:40
Speaker 1: SMR show. All right, maybe, but I don't get the tingle.
32:43
Speaker 1: It just relaxes me, right, and some people do. There's
32:45
Speaker 1: a lot of people who report feeling relaxed from a
32:48
Speaker 1: SMR videos, even though they don't have the full experience
32:51
Speaker 1: where they get like the brain orgasm or anything like that.
32:54
Speaker 1: But it's still is potentially relaxing. And part of it
32:58
Speaker 1: is because they're designed to be relaxing. The whispering, the
33:02
Speaker 1: gentle movements, the like, like all of that stuff. It's
33:06
Speaker 1: it's designed to relax you. Yeah. I found another study
33:10
Speaker 1: from the University of Sheffield that, um, that's a Worcester. Yeah.
33:15
Speaker 1: They they got people that were verified a s MR
33:19
Speaker 1: experiencers and then people that were not. Um, they did
33:23
Speaker 1: a bunch of studies, mainly about their heart rate, and
33:26
Speaker 1: they found that people who did experience a SMR UM
33:30
Speaker 1: they did have a reduced heartbeat by about three point
33:33
Speaker 1: two beats per minute. But then they said it was
33:37
Speaker 1: no more than other stress reduction techniques like mindfulness or music.
33:42
Speaker 1: I could see that, yeah, yeah, I mean they're still
33:45
Speaker 1: getting the experience of being relaxed out of it, Yeah,
33:48
Speaker 1: without listening to my music or being mindful or anything
33:51
Speaker 1: like that. Right, so great, but it still doesn't explain
33:56
Speaker 1: the brain orgasm, right, which, if that's not cool to
34:01
Speaker 1: call it that anymore, I apologize everybody. Um. They some
34:04
Speaker 1: people might have thought early on that it might be
34:08
Speaker 1: uh co morbid, I guess with synesthesia, which we've talked about,
34:11
Speaker 1: but then they found that that's probably not the case.
34:13
Speaker 1: Well I saw that. They think it's because people who
34:18
Speaker 1: in this in these surveys um don't report synesthesia anywhere
34:22
Speaker 1: beyond the normal amount that you'd expect to find in
34:25
Speaker 1: a population that saw But they think it's it's still
34:28
Speaker 1: possible it's a different type of synesthesia rather than the
34:32
Speaker 1: kind where you taste colors or here numbers. They think
34:37
Speaker 1: this is sound emotion synesthesia, possibly so a sound makes
34:41
Speaker 1: you feel an emotion. In this case, it's still a
34:44
Speaker 1: little weak. One guy named um Uh, he's a neurologist
34:48
Speaker 1: at Yale, Stephen Novella. Back in two thousand and twelve,
34:51
Speaker 1: he suggested that maybe it was little seizures or not
34:55
Speaker 1: little Caesar's which by the way, they're pretzel crust pieces.
34:59
Speaker 1: Back every buddy, um or it's just quote just a
35:03
Speaker 1: way of activating the pleasure response. Seems to be more
35:06
Speaker 1: than that. And also the fact that it only works
35:09
Speaker 1: with some people also makes the whole thing pretty remarkable too. So,
35:13
Speaker 1: of course, because this is clearly happening in the brain,
35:15
Speaker 1: they stuck people in the wonder machine, pressed start and
35:19
Speaker 1: look to see what happened. Yeah, and this one was
35:21
Speaker 1: interesting because one of the big fine things you know,
35:26
Speaker 1: you're starting off with a new sort of scientific study
35:30
Speaker 1: when you're big first finding from an fMRI machine is well,
35:35
Speaker 1: um people can experience it while in this machine, right, Like,
35:39
Speaker 1: it's not so distracting this machine isn't so distracting that
35:43
Speaker 1: they that messes up their experience entirely. Well, what's funny,
35:46
Speaker 1: that's the second one. The first study they didn't even try.
35:48
Speaker 1: They're like, well, you can experience as m R. Let's
35:50
Speaker 1: just have a look at your brain without even yeah,
35:53
Speaker 1: because they're like, this will be too distracting. So that
35:55
Speaker 1: second study was kind of in a way there. That's
35:58
Speaker 1: the level that they're at now is there, Like just
36:02
Speaker 1: here's this finding, Like you can find almost literally anything
36:06
Speaker 1: new and it's a contribution to the field. At this point,
36:09
Speaker 1: the science on it is so incomplete now. Yeah. The
36:13
Speaker 1: other finding they found was that the brain regions similar
36:16
Speaker 1: to those you know, we talked about what is it
36:18
Speaker 1: freesng Yeah, is it French? I don't know. It doesn't
36:24
Speaker 1: look French. It looks made up French. I know. I
36:26
Speaker 1: wanted to say Frisian. I'm a dummy. No, I did too,
36:30
Speaker 1: and I but I went, I did, I went an
36:32
Speaker 1: extra mile, pressed the little microphone speaker thing on and
36:36
Speaker 1: it went frees on. So the brain regions similar to
36:40
Speaker 1: those activated during freesan, we're also activated with a SMR,
36:45
Speaker 1: but a SMR triggered activity in the prefrontal cortex that
36:50
Speaker 1: during freesan is suppressed. I didn't see that was suppressed
36:53
Speaker 1: in frees on. Really yeah, so is this bogus? I
36:56
Speaker 1: think the prefrontal cortex thing being suppressed as boga. But
37:00
Speaker 1: they're not the same thing. I think that was the
37:02
Speaker 1: point of that study is they're like, this isn't the
37:04
Speaker 1: same thing. It's similar, but it's not the same thing.
37:08
Speaker 1: And the freeson um explanation I saw. We know a
37:11
Speaker 1: lot more about frees on because we've known about it longer,
37:15
Speaker 1: but it's activates a bunch of different parts of your
37:18
Speaker 1: reward pathways that are involved in like assessing the rewards
37:23
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and releasing dopamine right um. It
37:27
Speaker 1: also like activates the electoral conductivity and your skin, which
37:31
Speaker 1: accounts for the chills. But the explanation for frees on
37:34
Speaker 1: that I saw is that your brains pattern recognition is interrupted,
37:41
Speaker 1: like it's predicting what's coming next, and then all of
37:44
Speaker 1: a sudden, the music crescendos or it changes tempo, or
37:48
Speaker 1: some big emotion happens and your brain wasn't expecting it.
37:52
Speaker 1: So opposite of SMR almost pretty much. And then the
37:56
Speaker 1: other part of it is that you are empathetically connecting
38:01
Speaker 1: with the musician or the filmmaker whoever, who encapsulated the
38:05
Speaker 1: emotion that you're interacting with through the movie or the
38:08
Speaker 1: music or whatever. Yeah, this seems really different because this
38:11
Speaker 1: seems to be almost unemotional in a lot of ways
38:14
Speaker 1: and super repetitive, not like there is no criscindo. I
38:18
Speaker 1: think the whole point is that sort of low droney
38:21
Speaker 1: repetitive thing, right, Like like with freees On, It's like, um,
38:26
Speaker 1: it's like Jennifer Gray running up and being picked up
38:30
Speaker 1: by Patrick Swayzy in that part in in Dirty Dancing,
38:34
Speaker 1: That's yeah, whereas a s MR is just being knocked
38:38
Speaker 1: over with a feather. I think that's the difference. One
38:41
Speaker 1: of the a s M artists was her name was
38:43
Speaker 1: Heather Feather. Oh that's a great name. Yeah, I don't
38:46
Speaker 1: think it's her given name. That would be a good
38:49
Speaker 1: maybe maybe so she was born to do it, Maybe
38:52
Speaker 1: her parents couldn't have cared less how she was going
38:54
Speaker 1: to turn out. So the final thing they did find
38:56
Speaker 1: out from the F M R I studio that was
38:58
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I don't want to make it seem like
39:02
Speaker 1: I was making fun of it, but they did find
39:04
Speaker 1: a strong connection there uh from the study similar brain
39:08
Speaker 1: regions being activated as during close personal bonding experiences with
39:13
Speaker 1: mammalian grooming behavior. This to me is the explanation. Yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: it all goes back to that childhood Uh, soothing like
39:22
Speaker 1: soothing the baby. Right. That's that seems to be the
39:26
Speaker 1: explanation for it. That people are um have figured out
39:30
Speaker 1: a way to mimic affiliative behaviors that we are innately
39:35
Speaker 1: wired to respond to. And that and some people it
39:38
Speaker 1: can be triggered just by video and sound. Yeah, I mean, uh,
39:43
Speaker 1: we have played brown noise in my daughter's room since
39:46
Speaker 1: she was born. And they say that because you know,
39:49
Speaker 1: noises like that make them feel like they're in the
39:52
Speaker 1: womb still and it can be comforting and relaxing. And
39:55
Speaker 1: we've always done it. We use the sound machine in
39:57
Speaker 1: our room. It's usually waves or brown noise like one
40:01
Speaker 1: of those two things like a nice creek every now
40:04
Speaker 1: and then or rainstorm like three. But they're these are
40:10
Speaker 1: called affiliative behaviors. Uh, and that is very important when
40:15
Speaker 1: an infancy and young adulthood or any point. Well, yeah,
40:19
Speaker 1: but help that helps you form those bonds which obviously
40:23
Speaker 1: when your baby are going to be happening all over
40:25
Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, so they think that that somehow these videos,
40:29
Speaker 1: through the the calmness, the whispering nous, but also the
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Speaker 1: intimacy of it and the the appearance that you're being
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Speaker 1: touched lightly and you're being kind of cooed at and
40:41
Speaker 1: um um in affirmative words and encouragement and all that stuff,
40:45
Speaker 1: that it's triggering that reaction right in the brain. And
40:52
Speaker 1: that is what a SMR is. That it's a it's
40:54
Speaker 1: an extreme reaction to a mimicked affiliative behavior. Yeah, and
41:00
Speaker 1: I when I read that, it's sort of clicked. And
41:03
Speaker 1: then I wanted to see more studies on like um
41:07
Speaker 1: different from a more very types of people that are
41:10
Speaker 1: like categorized, Like I would like to see people take
41:14
Speaker 1: these tests that we're not nurtured as children maybe and
41:18
Speaker 1: maybe that means they would have a really strong response
41:21
Speaker 1: to a SMR or maybe not at all. Right, that's
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Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, so why why just a segment
41:26
Speaker 1: of the population does this work in? Right, that's a
41:31
Speaker 1: big arrow pointing at We need further research here, Like
41:34
Speaker 1: it does exist, We've established that, but why wouldn't it
41:37
Speaker 1: exist for everybody, and then why does it exist in
41:41
Speaker 1: the people who it does exist in? And then also
41:44
Speaker 1: why are some people just completely turned off by it
41:46
Speaker 1: to the point where like you just want to pull
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Speaker 1: your earbuds out, you know, and maybe also pull off
41:51
Speaker 1: your ears for good measure. And then why some people
41:55
Speaker 1: might be thinking why even put a lot of work
41:58
Speaker 1: into studying this, It's because it could be like a
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Speaker 1: good therapy for some people, could be therapy for anxiety, PTSD,
42:05
Speaker 1: anxiety depression. Well that's the thing. A lot of people
42:08
Speaker 1: self report overcoming insomnia, chronic pain, depression, anxiety. Like you said,
42:15
Speaker 1: like it literally alters their mood, not like oh that
42:19
Speaker 1: was kind of neat, Like oh, I don't feel anywhere
42:22
Speaker 1: nearest depressed any longer, or I'm not anxious anymore. And
42:26
Speaker 1: so say what you will about it. If it's doing
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Speaker 1: that for even one person, to keep it up, you know,
42:31
Speaker 1: But if it's doing that for a whole segment of people,
42:34
Speaker 1: well that's great. I mean, well let's figure that out
42:37
Speaker 1: and then we can figure out a way to hijack
42:39
Speaker 1: it and use it to treat other people. Yeah, I
42:42
Speaker 1: think part of my aversion too, besides the whispering. Was
42:45
Speaker 1: I felt kind of silly sitting in the office. Well, yeah,
42:49
Speaker 1: hearing this, Yeah, I think you're supposed to It's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be more private than that, probably, so maybe I'll
42:54
Speaker 1: give it a shot later in the in a dark room. Yeah. Uh.
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Speaker 1: If you want to know more about SMR friends, go
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Speaker 1: out on the internet right in a s MR to
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Speaker 1: the search bar of your favorite search engine, and it
43:07
Speaker 1: will introduce you to a brand new world. And since
43:10
Speaker 1: I said that it's time for this your mail all right,
43:14
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh Tahoe Tessei. Oh yeah, hey, guys,
43:18
Speaker 1: I was listening to Lockness Monster episode and was reminded
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Speaker 1: a lot of Lake Tahoe. I thought you'd be interested
43:24
Speaker 1: in some of the similarities. I grew up in the
43:26
Speaker 1: Carson Valley area in Nevada, right next to Tahoe. Tahoe
43:31
Speaker 1: actually has its own legend, Tahoe Tessy. Really original, guys.
43:35
Speaker 1: There used to be a museum but at close now
43:38
Speaker 1: and TESTI isn't much more than a silly little local legend. Surprise, surprise,
43:42
Speaker 1: it brought in thirteen dollars and touristing come last year.
43:45
Speaker 1: I think that lake itself is more interesting, though, Chuck
43:48
Speaker 1: shuttered at the thought of a nine foot deep lake.
43:51
Speaker 1: The deepest parts of Tahoe, though, are over sixteen hundred
43:54
Speaker 1: feet deep. I've heard about this crazy. I can't wait
43:57
Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks that this guy leaves. The
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Speaker 1: lake in the Sierra Nevada sits at twenty five feet
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Speaker 1: in elevation, while the elevation of my hometown is. That
44:10
Speaker 1: means that the lake has spots that are a hundred
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Speaker 1: ft deeper than the valley next to it. Thanks for
44:16
Speaker 1: all you guys, do I've seen you the past three
44:18
Speaker 1: years in a row in Seattle. I always have a
44:20
Speaker 1: great time. Yeah that is from Evan Hughes. Thanks Evan
44:23
Speaker 1: for making that trip, my friend. Yeah, we'll see you
44:26
Speaker 1: next year. We love going to Seattle every January. There.
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Speaker 1: Keep it up right. So if this is the same
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Speaker 1: lake that I'm thinking of, and I believe it is,
44:34
Speaker 1: it is also very very cold, so if you die
44:37
Speaker 1: in this lake, it can preserve you for a long time.
44:41
Speaker 1: That's so much so that they found a diver who
44:44
Speaker 1: had been missing for twelve years who drowned in that lake.
44:48
Speaker 1: Twelve years later, they were still able to give him
44:51
Speaker 1: an autopsy and determine his cause of death because the
44:54
Speaker 1: lake had preserved him that much. And there's or said,
44:56
Speaker 1: there's like old gangsters from the thirties who are still
44:59
Speaker 1: like whearing their clothes and like cement shoes at the
45:02
Speaker 1: Balm Lake. Railroad workers from China who had died in
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Speaker 1: the lake are still preserved in there. This is the
45:09
Speaker 1: local legend. But that divers documented they definitely were able
45:13
Speaker 1: to give him an autopsy after twelve years underwater. That's
45:16
Speaker 1: how cold and oxygen oxygen um depleted. It is because
45:20
Speaker 1: of the debts, they said, it turns out he drowned, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's it. Awesome Taho. We should do a show and
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Speaker 1: like Tahoe, let's do it at Lake Tahoe. Okay, in
45:33
Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe. I don't know. I thought about doing random
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Speaker 1: shows at like weird places. Okay, that'd be fun. Thanks
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45:42
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