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Fictional Women Around the World: Velma Dinkley · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: not just because the last ones. But we're talking today
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Speaker 1: about Velma Dinkley of Scooby Doo and there is a
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Speaker 1: new show that I have not seen. Full disclosure, I
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Speaker 1: have seen a lot of stuff written about it I
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Speaker 1: have not seen, so that is not a sponsor. I
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about Velma because as we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get into this show. Before this new series was announced,
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Speaker 1: there was all of this conversation about Velma online that
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Speaker 1: I saw, and I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I
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Speaker 1: hadn't considered doing her. She wasn't on my list, my
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Speaker 1: very long fictional women around the world list. I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would love to talk about her because I grew
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Speaker 1: up loving Scooby Doo. Did you watch Scooby Doo? I didn't.
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Speaker 1: It was one of those things that was out of
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Speaker 1: my time frame. Either I was in Korea when it
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Speaker 1: kind of became big because of the older old version,
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Speaker 1: or I was already a teenager ish when it came
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Speaker 1: like re redid things, you know how they did, like
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Speaker 1: I was getting to the later ages. Uh. This is
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Speaker 1: also my own thing about like not watching a lot
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Speaker 1: of cartoons. That's true, You're not a big cartoon pan.
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Speaker 1: I loved it. It was what I would watch when
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Speaker 1: I was home sick, and you know, like they would
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Speaker 1: do those vhs is, yes, just hss is, and it
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Speaker 1: would just have like three like the Top three episode
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Speaker 1: was with ghosts in them or the Top three with
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Speaker 1: this and them, and I just watch them over and
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Speaker 1: over to the point like when I was doing this
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Speaker 1: outline some of the old lines, I could hear them
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Speaker 1: just rattling around in my brain. Oh really, that's that
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Speaker 1: familiar to you. Well, I'll say I did watch the
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Speaker 1: Supernatural crossover Natural. Yes, yes, I saw somebody dressed as
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Speaker 1: them that like whole crew at Dragon Con once and
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Speaker 1: I was like that, it is a good costume. I
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Speaker 1: like that. Yes. Well, speaking of deep dives, there is
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Speaker 1: a movie It is not very good, but I do
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Speaker 1: love it called Scooby Doo on Zombie Island. I could
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Speaker 1: probably quote most of that movie. It's not very good,
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Speaker 1: but it had it had a sound check. My third
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Speaker 1: eye blind. Really was this a live action or was
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Speaker 1: it a cartoon. It's a cartoon, but it's a it's
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Speaker 1: a movie, like not just show um, and Mark Hamill
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Speaker 1: is the voice of Scrugs. Really, that's a little puppy right, No, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: that's Scrappy in famously hate. It's scrappy. Scruggs is like
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Speaker 1: this like Alligator Wrangler who seemed too much. Honestly, it
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Speaker 1: is like his other character it. Yeah, but I watched
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Speaker 1: that movie not because I loved Scooby Doo. I think
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Speaker 1: I'd kind of like moved out of my Scooby Doo
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Speaker 1: phase by then. Um, it was because Mark Hamill was
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Speaker 1: in it. And I've made the people my kind people
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Speaker 1: at Savor the other podcast, I do watch Scooby Doo
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Speaker 1: on Zombie Island when the pandemic first started. It was
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Speaker 1: on Netflix at the time. Also not a sponsor. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: I it's just got a warm place of my heart. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: Oh Scruggs, I think it's Scruggs. I could be wrong.
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Speaker 1: It's his name is not said very I think it's
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Speaker 1: said once. But anyway, okay, anyway, anyway, anyway, Yes, there is.
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Speaker 1: Part of the inspiration for this was this new show
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Speaker 1: that have not seen UM called Velma, which is an
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Speaker 1: animated show adults show UM about Velma's origin story, and
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Speaker 1: it caused quite the hubbub when it was announced, kind
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Speaker 1: of on the tail end of something else we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about, but it was sort of like clearly
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Speaker 1: announced that she was gay, uh and also Asian. So
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Speaker 1: we're not gonna, as I said, I haven't seen the show,
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Speaker 1: there's not gonna be spoilers for it. We're mostly just
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Speaker 1: going to talk about kind of her history and then
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Speaker 1: why there was all this controversial conversation happening around her. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: um So she has appeared in cartoons, comics, books, movies, games,
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Speaker 1: and toys over the years. Twelve actresses have voiced animated Velma,
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Speaker 1: while four have played her in live action adaptions, and
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Speaker 1: her origin story has been revamped several times. But as always,
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Speaker 1: we're going to do our bests. Uh So. Velma was
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Speaker 1: the first created by Joe Ruby and Kin Spears in
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Speaker 1: nineteen nine for Scooby Doo. Where are you? I imagine
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Speaker 1: I don't have to explain Scooby Doo, but maybe I do. Um. Basically,
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Speaker 1: it started as an animated children's show following the Scooby
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Speaker 1: Gang as they were called, Fred Daphne, Shaggy, Velma and
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Speaker 1: Scooby Scooby as a dog in case you don't know,
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Speaker 1: but the rest of our teams, and they go around
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Speaker 1: and they're brightly colored mystery machine van and solve mysteries.
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Speaker 1: They meddle in affairs of villains everywhere. It has had
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Speaker 1: a long lasting popularity and cultural impact. It's inspired spinoffs, reboots,
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Speaker 1: live action adaptions, and some truly head scratching crossovers and cameos.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, just look that up. It's hilarious. Each
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Speaker 1: character kind of represents a trope, and Velma is the
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Speaker 1: somewhat nerdy smart one. Uh and yes, their cut traders Jinkies,
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Speaker 1: which was originally ad libbed by the first voice actress
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Speaker 1: Nicole Jaff. The character was inspired by Zelda Gaileroy from
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Speaker 1: the sixty sitcom The Many Loves of Dobie Dobbie Dobe Gills,
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Speaker 1: Gills Giless. I just butchered that whole thing. I have
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Speaker 1: not heard of this, But anyway, back to Velma. She
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Speaker 1: has ten length auburn hair, freckles, thick square glasses that
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Speaker 1: she often loses, and typically wears a large orange turtleneck sweater,
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Speaker 1: a reddish skirt, long orange socks, complete with black Mary
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Speaker 1: Jane shoes. It's very iconic look. According to some descriptions
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Speaker 1: I read, she is quote heavy set. What yes, and
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Speaker 1: I know, well there apparently there's one episode which I
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Speaker 1: don't remember, where you see her in daphne bathing suits
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Speaker 1: and it's just imply like she's the bigger one. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then there's also a line she says where it's
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Speaker 1: time to start my diet. When and when she says
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Speaker 1: that line, it's in a crossover episode with the Adams Family.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah, um. She also has a phobia
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Speaker 1: of clowns, which she overcame. I feel her. Yes, Velma
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Speaker 1: has a love and fascination with mysteries, and she can
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Speaker 1: be quite competitive with others over it. Um. She's sarcastic, witty,
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Speaker 1: protective of her friends, and she can be sneaky and secretive. Um.
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Speaker 1: Of the group, she's definitely the skeptic. She's the one
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Speaker 1: like that is not a ghost. I know there's I
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Speaker 1: know one thing that's not a GHO. Less we can
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Speaker 1: find a logical explanation behind this. Um. She has a
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Speaker 1: hodgepodge of skills, like she knows morse code. Um, that
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Speaker 1: what she learned in the Girl Scouts. She can identify
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Speaker 1: a fake jewel, which is pretty cool. Um, some basic
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Speaker 1: martial art, and she's generally strong. She has a wrestling
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Speaker 1: move she calls the Fine Dinkley um, which it involves
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Speaker 1: like holding two people up in your arms, So pretty impressive. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she loves hockey and she can talk about hockey strategy.
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Speaker 1: She's had a few jobs. This is one of the
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Speaker 1: things that confused me the most because you're also kind
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Speaker 1: of watching this even as a kid. I was like,
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Speaker 1: so their job is they solved mysteries. Um. Anyway, she
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Speaker 1: has been a freelance detective in her hometown, which, by
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Speaker 1: the way, the name of their hometown is cool Coolsville. Coolsville. Yep.
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Speaker 1: She's been an extra and like movies. Uh, she has
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Speaker 1: been the owner of a carnival, but that was like
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Speaker 1: for one episode. Um. She's been a research assistant. She's
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Speaker 1: been the owner of a mystery themed bookshop that was
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Speaker 1: in Scooby Doo Zombie Island. That's how I kind of
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Speaker 1: knew her. And speaking of she has had a handful
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Speaker 1: of romantic interest over time. Most of them soundthing like
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Speaker 1: a horror writer or detective, which was the case in
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Speaker 1: Scooby Doo Zombie Island, or a movie star. But let's
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the recent conversation, starting with the
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Speaker 1: fact that she is portrayed as East Asian in this
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Speaker 1: new show. Um this is not the first time when
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Speaker 1: a color had voiced her. The new reboot, she's voiced
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Speaker 1: by mendicaling um or that she's been animated as having
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Speaker 1: darker skin. Of course, racists on the internet, we're not
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Speaker 1: happy about it. Of course, yea. Some Asian Americans worried
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Speaker 1: that reimagining Velma as Asian played into the smart, nerdy
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Speaker 1: Asian stereotype of the model minority myth. So that was
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Speaker 1: a concerned people who were talking about and I read
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Speaker 1: an article about it that can have an interview from
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Speaker 1: sociologist Nancy Wong Gwen who said, of this, I grew
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Speaker 1: up with Scooby Doo and Velma, and for sure I
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Speaker 1: could really see her as East Asian hopefully not in
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Speaker 1: a model minority way, but a quirky way that's kind
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Speaker 1: of bookish, but she's multifaceted. The fact that she could
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Speaker 1: be nerdy that was kind of revolutionary back then as
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Speaker 1: someone who was an Asian American female nerd, a person
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Speaker 1: who was geeky and nerdy but into fashion all sorts
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Speaker 1: of stuff. I hope she can embody so much more
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Speaker 1: than the nerd. And like I said, this was written
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Speaker 1: I think before the show came out. But also, um,
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Speaker 1: as I said at the top, I do Scooby Doo is,
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Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of ways, a very simple
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Speaker 1: kind of show where you have the smart one, you
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Speaker 1: get your pretty one, you've got like your yeah, exactly exactly.
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Speaker 1: So I think these concerns were founded. Um. Second, yes,
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Speaker 1: she has been confirmed as queer, and some conservatives predictably
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Speaker 1: males it down about it. Um, she has also been
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Speaker 1: previously voiced by a queer person, and the queer person
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Speaker 1: was like, yes, obviously, I think they do a whole
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Speaker 1: like hello, I voiced the right and I want to
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Speaker 1: interject here like this is kind of that level of
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Speaker 1: when we talk about people who get chances on being
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Speaker 1: a star or the star of the show. They're typically white,
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Speaker 1: and that the only way it works. This is one
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Speaker 1: of those examples of when you see imagine because there's
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Speaker 1: it's a cartoon, right, not a real person, and people
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Speaker 1: get upset because they're not white. This is why we
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Speaker 1: have to have a moment will be like, well, of
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Speaker 1: course they're white, so you need to understand that is
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Speaker 1: an advantage in itself, right, Yeah, that was what I think.
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Speaker 1: There has been so much written about Velma. You guys,
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Speaker 1: you can go read it, but that was one of
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Speaker 1: the points a lot of them made, was like it's
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Speaker 1: a cartoon, like once again, mythical figures, cartoons. I'm not
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Speaker 1: really sure why you can't see a revamping, right exactly.
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Speaker 1: In uh So, going back to this sort of threat
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Speaker 1: of almost queerness, the producer for Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated,
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Speaker 1: which ran from said that he always intended for a
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Speaker 1: Velma to be gay in his version and that the
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Speaker 1: show was canceled before they could get to the planned
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Speaker 1: romance between her and her rival Marcy Fleech, and he said,
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Speaker 1: uh censorship was also at play. Here's part of what
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Speaker 1: he posted about it. I've said this before, but Velma
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Speaker 1: and mystery incorporated is not by she is gay. We
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Speaker 1: always planned on Velma acting a little off and out
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Speaker 1: of character while she was dating Shaggy, because that relationship
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Speaker 1: was wrong for her and she had unspoken difficulty with
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Speaker 1: the why. There are hints about the why in that
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Speaker 1: episode with the Mermaid, and if you follow the entire
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Speaker 1: Marcy arc, it seems as clear as we could make
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Speaker 1: it ten years ago. Who um and then James Gunn,
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Speaker 1: who I did not know, wrote the first two live
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Speaker 1: action movies. Really brother in there? That would have been
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Speaker 1: the clue. He always got his brother in the movies.
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Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. I mean I have not watched
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Speaker 1: those movies, and at all time I bet they did
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Speaker 1: not age will. But anyway, he wrote, Yes, he wrote
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Speaker 1: these first two live action movies, which by the way,
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Speaker 1: I only saw because there was a trailer for Airy
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Speaker 1: Potter before it. What a what a time to be alive. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he said something similar quote in two thousand one. Velma
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Speaker 1: was explicitly gay in my initial script, but the studio
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Speaker 1: just kept watering it down and watering it down, becoming ambiguous.
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Speaker 1: The version shot, then nothing, the released version, and finally
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Speaker 1: having a boyfriend the sequel, and I think that's something
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Speaker 1: we hear a lot where that's sort of and I
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Speaker 1: know this conversation, we've had it before. It's very complex
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Speaker 1: and nuanced. But going back to that queer baiting thing
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Speaker 1: where you'll see a trailer and it's sort of like implied, Oh,
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Speaker 1: here's this character and it's a queer relationship, and they
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Speaker 1: might have even shot seems around that, and then it's
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Speaker 1: not in there at all, Like even this thing you
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Speaker 1: saw the trailer might not right there, which someone got
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Speaker 1: sued for. Yes, I was thinking about that, um and
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Speaker 1: I went through right, so they you're not supposed to
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Speaker 1: mislead in the trailery. What did they win or is
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Speaker 1: it currently going? I think they won, um, but it
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Speaker 1: might be current going. Uh. Well, anyway, if you don't
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Speaker 1: know about that. Some fans were mad that it was
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Speaker 1: implied and Adarmis would be any thing, and then she wasn't.
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Speaker 1: These dudes really wanted her in the film. She was
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Speaker 1: cut out completely, so they were mad and they slew
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Speaker 1: the studio. Yes, so I guess we'll have to come
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Speaker 1: back and check in on that. But going back to Alma,
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Speaker 1: her queer status was confirmed in a promo for Trick
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Speaker 1: or Treat in two. But in a lot of people's minds,
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Speaker 1: she has a long history of being queer coded um
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Speaker 1: fans is speculated for decades that Velma He's gay, was gay.
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Speaker 1: It was forty years before the character was shown dating anyone,
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Speaker 1: and it was shaggy. Because of that, a lot of
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Speaker 1: fans theorized it was because she wasn't into men. I
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Speaker 1: totally get that, I've done that, but I also I
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Speaker 1: am like, I wonder how much there was kind of
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Speaker 1: the nerd get a date. That's what I thought, yes,
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Speaker 1: stereotype as well. I'm not like, even though I watched
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Speaker 1: it at as a kid, that's not what I was
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Speaker 1: That's not what I was like remembering or putting together.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't into romance, So I'm sure if there's plenty
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Speaker 1: of stuff I didn't even pick up on. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: because there's always that comparison between Daphne and Velma, and
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Speaker 1: Velma obviously can't get the boys of Daphne's around. That's
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Speaker 1: what I had assumed as a kid. I guess yeah,
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Speaker 1: me as well, And I think there's certainly that at play.
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Speaker 1: And this is also an interesting conversation which I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: very excited to have we have we are going to
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Speaker 1: have it. Um about what happens when like how fandom
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Speaker 1: interprets things versus what the creator meant. Because there's a
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Speaker 1: part of me that just thinks the creator and this
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Speaker 1: is all this is all my anecdotal kind of gut
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Speaker 1: reaction that the creators never meant troop for us to
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Speaker 1: be like, oh she's queer, she's never had a date.
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Speaker 1: They meant for it to be like, oh, she's the
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Speaker 1: nerdy one have to date. But fans took it and
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Speaker 1: we're like, no, it can be this. Yeah, And going
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Speaker 1: back to that, a lot of fans thought Velma joined
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Speaker 1: the Scooby Doo gang for Daphne, that she was into Daphne. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: whether or not she knew it, because that's another interesting part.
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Speaker 1: I read a lot of good articles about like whether
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Speaker 1: she had internalized homophobia or just didn't know she was queer,
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Speaker 1: couldn't quite articulate it yet, that she had this kind
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Speaker 1: of what the one of the previous quotes we said, Um,
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Speaker 1: it's like she was dating Shaggy, but she knew it
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Speaker 1: was wrong. She just didn't know why it was wrong
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Speaker 1: and why didn't work and kind of figuring that out.
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Speaker 1: But the ship between Velma and Daphne is so popular
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Speaker 1: that when the TV movie Daphne and Velma came out
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Speaker 1: in fans were hoping it would be revealed that they
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Speaker 1: were a couple. Uh it was not, but it was
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Speaker 1: a very people were very excited about it. That other
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Speaker 1: thing I saw brought up a lot about it was
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Speaker 1: she didn't dress super femininely. She was physically strong. Traits
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Speaker 1: that are normalized now were more normalized than they were
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Speaker 1: when this first came out, at least because yeah, they
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Speaker 1: were pretty rare in the early sixties, I mean late sixties,
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Speaker 1: early seventies. Um. People have said she's relatable, that she
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Speaker 1: owns who she is. I would agree with that, and
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Speaker 1: that she's long been a been a feminist icon because
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Speaker 1: of that. Um and and largely people really celebrated these things.
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Speaker 1: You know, get your hate on the internet this vitriol
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Speaker 1: and so loud, um and so gross. But most of
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Speaker 1: the stuff I read, which wasn't just like in my
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Speaker 1: corner of the Internet, but like big articles by big,
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Speaker 1: big people, Um, we're into it, we're celebrating it. I
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Speaker 1: will say a lot of people do connect also with
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Speaker 1: that she's kind of the she's into the mystery aspect,
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Speaker 1: she's in two books. She's just like because if you're
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Speaker 1: watching it, you probably are too, or at least as
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Speaker 1: a part of it for some people. As I said,
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the new show. I am so confused
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Speaker 1: by so many of the headlines I'm reading about it. Um,
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Speaker 1: it has been major league review bombed. I think there's
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Speaker 1: like very bad face things happening going on here in
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Speaker 1: very good faith things happening. But it's like so confusing
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Speaker 1: that I can't in this episode, I can't talk about it. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think we should come back. I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of that has to do with the creator of this show,
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Speaker 1: Like it's not necessarily the show. I don't know, I've
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Speaker 1: never said it, but but it seems like the controversy
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Speaker 1: is around the creator and instead of the actual show,
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Speaker 1: which could be a whole conversation about seeing women and
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Speaker 1: writing and creating and doing their own narrative. Or it
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Speaker 1: could be true like maybe what they've done is overshadowing
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Speaker 1: or maybe past things that have been implicated is overshadowing
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Speaker 1: the show. Right, Yeah, it's it's like a mess. I
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Speaker 1: was getting overwhelmed by trying to to suss out like
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Speaker 1: what was especially because I haven't seen it like what
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