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The Rope Drop Flop | Margaret Ward · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to season five, episode nine.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: How are you feeling?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Ugh, obviously, from my voice, I'm super nasally, guys.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: I apologize.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: I literally have a little hanky in my hand, like dabbing my nose, dabbing my eyes.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Why does this always happen in the spring?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of shit flying around.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: I have been like, I have had I've had to take Claritin way more than I've had to in normal allergy seasons.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then today it just like all hit me way hard.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: You need that flonase.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've never tried that.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's hardcore.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's the one you stick up your nose and you go, Yeah.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I tried that.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it was flownase, but I tried something like that once and like I had a very visceral reaction.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: It goes like down the back of your throat.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like freaked out because it's such a strong sensation.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh god, I was like, I'm good.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'd rather be sick than do that.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so Elizabeth was kind of apologetic and saying there's gonna be a lot of editing between all like the sniffling and the sneezing, and I said, Okay, let's just make it easier on everybody.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Rather than me spend my life editing out all your sneezes, we're gonna make a game of this.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you are not driving and you're and you're not working.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you're not working, and if it's evening time or like a daytime afternoon, don't give them rules except for the working and the driving.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Don't give them rules.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you're enjoying a nice glass of Pinot or something, as we are, cheers, every time Elizabeth sneezes, you drink.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Every time she sniffles, I don't know what they sniffle.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna be drunk.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: They'll be way too drunk if it's on sniffles.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna hear a lot of sniffles, but I'd say sneezes are fair.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also gonna take a drink every time you sneeze.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I also like I told Megan, I was like, you have to edit out, like I'm gonna blow my nose, and she's like, no, keep it in.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh god.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: A good honker is a is uh is a shot of tequila.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've learned how to make my sneezes super dainty.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: So in like work settings, I'm like, and this doesn't count, but I'm like, like it's like a quick little and like people are like, oh my gosh, you have the daintiest sneezes.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, I've worked at that.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that is not a natural, like my natural sneeze is a sneeze, but I can't, I can't change the way I blow my nose.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta get it out.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you always have to.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's a honk.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I honk it.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Get it out, get it out, get it out, ladies.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think we shouldn't be ashamed of our bodies.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, or your sneezes, or your honking of a blow.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Honking of a blow.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, no shame.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: No shame here.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: So here we are.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta put that out there.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, nasally.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um I have splatter sneezes, it's fine.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: I go like splatter, like you go.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I go and they just come like they just go everywhere.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you're the patient one, patient zero of COVID.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I may, I may have, I bet it may have been a super spreader.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Remember that like rumor as children that if you sneezed.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Is that not true?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't it like if you hold your sneeze, it kills like a thousand brain cells or something.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you could like die, is what they told us.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't hear about death.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: I just heard you'd be far dumber.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I heard if you This is one of those things that some kid on the playground started, and you lived in Colorado.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was true.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I lived in California and in New Hampshire, and we still had the same version of something.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that wild?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could grow up so far away from each other, and this is pre-internet.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you have How did we know these things?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: But we all had the same playground rumors for sure.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like swallowing gum.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, never swallow gum.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was like seven years if you swallow gum, it takes to digest.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you have if you swallow a seed, like a watermelon seed watermelon seed grows in your stomach.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, rug rats kind of started that for us.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that one's rare.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I I heard that when you when you hold your nose and sneeze, it can like combust your brain and die.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's ridiculous.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: I lived in New Hampshire by the time the rumor went from Denver to New Hampshire, it there was a lot of telephone and ours was just, yeah, you're you would have less brain cells.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: It kills brain cells, which That might be a thing.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we Google that later.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we start a science channel.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Please tell us.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Please tell us.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh anyway, so Well, you've been busy.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love the I love the the every every week we get a new sweatshirt.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: And one day you're gonna see all these YouTube videos.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: One day.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the theme of the season, as I've been just doing a new, like kind of nerdy-ish sweater.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's still cold here.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I still I'm at 78 degrees.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, in the morning when you wake up, it's like on the on the way to work, it's like 50 degrees.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, in the morning, that's fair.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I like have just gotten into this routine and like, you know, the office is super, super casual.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, my my direct boss wears like basketball shorts and like a ball cap.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just like every day I'm like, okay, like tennis shoes, jeans, like sweater.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: But on the days that we podcast, I'm like, nerdy sweater.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like don't put yourself down between the honk sneezes or blowing your nose.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling really vulnerable.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I just have these horrible ways of blowing.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: My left eye won't stop watering, and I just feel bad about it.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: I did, okay, on the record.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: I did recommend we postpone for this evening.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: I said absolutely not.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: We did miss a week because you were gallivanting off at Disneyland.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was at Disneyland.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we kept having reasons to to not to kind of delay this.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, what does your sweatshirt say?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I'm back.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then we'll then before and then we'll Okay.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, even on the YouTube, you can't quite read it because it's long.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: But it says, I'm not lazy.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was up all night fighting evil by moonlight, which is a Sailor Moon reference.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you've ever watched the Sailor Moon show, like it's when I was a kid, it came on on Cartoon Network every day at 5 p.m.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um that was part of like the the intro music, the intro song.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was literally like fighting evil by moonlight, winning love by daylight.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like this whole very corny, like adapted from the original Japanese song.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so I saw this shirt online.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I need that because I was a huge Sailor Moon fan.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: Nice quality.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually kind of nice.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: I will say that you know, because it's a hot pink like sweater with like a red Sailor Moon bow on it, and you can't quite see the distinction between the pink and the red.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I should have got a different color.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: I do like it though.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm just sitting here like why am I doing all the talking and I'm a sick one that just like so tell me about your life.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about your life, tell me about your sweater.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: Are you gonna blow your nose again?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel literally in the hot seat, like sweating.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: What did you do last week?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I will tell you about Disneyland really quick, and then we gotta have you talk.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll I'll I'll take over.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say this whole show.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just wait.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do that.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking so much because Megan's just gonna do the whole episode early life, midlife, and execution all on me.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be your best episode ever.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Megan's show.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna get everything wrong and have to backtrack and redo it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if I even let you do that, I'd be like, actually, Megan.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, can I say something, Megan?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, we'll we'll still do our normal, normal routine.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, uh, went to Disneyland, great.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Confession?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was my first rope drop.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: I can't believe I've never done a rope drop.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've always heard of people reference rope drop, and I literally thought that just meant like, yeah, you're there when it opens.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: But like I didn't know there was an actual rope and like an actual little crowd that assembles inside Disneyland.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've done it.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: You've been there.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've all done a rope drop before.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Also, rope drop is very relevant to our episode, but yes.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I ooh, good one.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, no, I I always I've been there when it opens, but I guess I've been there just right as it opens or right after, or you just like walk in and it's open.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we got there like a half hour early.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: They let you actually in the park inside Disneyland, and then they kind of ask you, like, depending on what ride you want to do, like, okay, if you're gonna be going to Frontierland, which is what we were doing, go over here.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's a person with an actual rope, and then there's like a countdown, and then there's music, and you all politely walk.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: You all power walk like this, and they go, walk to your destination, and everyone's and then there's always like one douchebag who wants to like throw everyone aside and run, and then he gets in trouble, and you're like, They said walk, but it's all power walking.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't mind if you walk or like kind of jog.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: What I do mind is when you run me over with your stroller.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like behind me, it's like the most aggressive mothers and their strollers.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, uh, you know, I don't have a child.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I would be this mom if I had a stroller, but I would totally be that mom if you had a.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, can you like get off my heels?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: So that was that was really fun though.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, we I don't know if I guess some people haven't seen this that I talked to, but there was a lady there that had a little like it was like a shield, almost like a little renaissance-looking shield, and it said, I I made it to rope drop.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's cute.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: So little kids and me were taking pictures with the sign, like I made it to rope drop.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I posted it and I was like, oh, and a lot of people were commenting, they're like, Oh, I've still never seen the sign, like they've heard of it or they see you know they've seen it in pictures.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a tradition for a lot of people who go to Disney.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: So as much as I've been so many times.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: I have a pass now.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I but your entire life you've been.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're right, yeah.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because I had a pass in college.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I, you know, because you know, as a kid, you go like once a year, every couple years, maybe.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: But then when I was in college, I got a pass.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: Even when I lived in Arizona my first few years, I still had a pass because I went back often enough.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then I caught got to that point where I was like, I'm an adult, I don't need a Disney pass.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm back.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm who now you're wearing a sailor boots for sure.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is who I meant to be, and I am not ashamed of it, and I'm so excited to go again.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, offers on the table.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever you want to go, I can go whenever.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, um, I'm very proud of you for being who you want to be.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a lesson.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've made it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: You, you know, if there's any any of the younger generation listening, just like have fun.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just wear your Sailor Moon sweatshirt and go to Rope Drop.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Embrace your weirdness, embrace who you are.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sneeze when you have to sneeze.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Don't hold it in because your brain will explode.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: That is what we have learned.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or takeaway for the day.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Our takeaway for the day.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Megan.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Would you like to say anything before we begin our episode?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, just nothing going on.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, you know, just writing our HOA and buying new AC and just You've had a lot of house stuff going on.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Really adulting hard, and I don't like it.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, for the same people I said be yourself, also don't ever grow up and become an adult.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Also, don't buy a home.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Also don't buy an AC.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, buy property.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only way to build wealth.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the property has ACs and those ACs break.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, and it's very expensive.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you work through things.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, um, so I like how you were saying rope drop.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because uh we have a rope drop themed episode for several reasons.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: One moment, please.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you keep this in, you're insane.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: At the end, I'm just gonna have a montage of um for several reasons.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we I don't want to spoil.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: So um, do you wanna hand it over to you?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: I will introduce the sickly and not snotty one, please take us take us off.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I stand for the sickly and the snotty of this world.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Our lady tonight is Margaret Ward.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Margaret Ward, this is gonna be a Tudor England episode for you all, if you're not sure who she is.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so she was born in 1550 uh in Congleton, Cheshire, in New England in Northwestern England.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: And if um you're unsure of this timeline, this is pretty much like right before Queen Elizabeth I's reign.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because Elizabeth I reigns from 1558 until her death in 1603.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: So this is still when we had, I I don't know if you maybe you do, but if Mary I was on the throne at this moment, or if it was still kind of a up-in-the-air thing between like her and I don't know if Edward VI was alive yet.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you can verify that.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Mary the First at this point.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, well, actually, no.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: So she was only reigning.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was Edward VI.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mary the First started in 1553.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: I remember she had a pretty short reign.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was only five years.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was 1553 to 1558.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then Elizabeth.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: So technically, Edward VI then is on the on the throne.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this is what's going on in her early, early years.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and according to the Catholic Encyclopedia of the era, she was from a good family, she was a gentlewoman, which I think in this like you know, area of England at the time, just meant like obviously she's not noble, but they're like what they're decent, they're well off.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Pious.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Pious.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: All that.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can picture in this time period, like the the drink.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was a cute.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's a drinking game for for us.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I thought we were all playing.
• 13:28
  unknown: No.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I'm down.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just need to focus on my body first.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: In this era, I'm picturing like the the what do you call it?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: The like cuff around their necks.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: What would what would you call that?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: The Are you talking like the the Shakespearean looking?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the Shakespearean.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: What when you know I get it?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I do know the name of the case.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we took that that course during COVID.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know we did.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we've not neither of us could think of what it's called.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I'm I'm just picturing the we're not in the Anne Boleyn type tutor era with the low cut and the Yeah, we're getting they're getting a little bit more covered up here.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit more pious looking, I'd say.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so she once once she was of age, she started working as a housekeeper and companion in this home called Whit Hall, which was uh she was she was a companion of a lady of distinction there, which I didn't get her name.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really know.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: They never said her name.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: She was just some noble rich lady and she was her companion.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So she would sit and sew and needle point and companion's always been a weird um I guess occupation for me.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're my companion.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, I'm not your like You didn't know that?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not like your young lady near you who like sews for you.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: When I text you and I'm like, we're getting brunch, bitch.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't know that was just you accompanying me as your like companion?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like as an as a companion, I don't know what the rules are.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because when I first heard the word companion in this like context, I thought it was just like you're maybe a little bit older, you have less like social friends, so you kind of hire companions who are literally your friends to hang out with.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't think of it like that.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: But now I see that they're kind of more like servant-ish, where they do things for you, like pack for you and like attend to you, but you still hang out with them socially too.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're like your higher-up servant.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think of well, my brain is in a weird place.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: No one's gonna get this reference.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like deep in The Bastard Executioner, which is like let's say, let's say it's a show.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's an old show.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's a show?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a show, it's a series.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're also reading a book about Nixon.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also I'm a little knee deep in this right now.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: The Bastard Executioner is a terrible series, great, but it's also really good.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: What streaming service?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I purchased the series on Amazon.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it used to have been FX.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: It came out in like 2014.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ed Sheeran's in it.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was clubbing then.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Ed Ed Ed Sheeran does the opening song for the intro.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he Ed Sheeran plays.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, like remember when Ed Sheeran randomly popped up in Game of Thrones.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was literally just gonna say exactly what it was.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Just imagine that character.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: He plays like one of the nobles, like, like his servant, but he he like tortures people.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's like in the torture chamber.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So he's a companion servant, torture.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's like an assistant.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: But he's not anyways, where I'm going with all this.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not Ed Sheeran's character.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's the the the um the baroness in the show has a companion.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they grew up together, so they kind of see each other.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, they're like the same age.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're the same age.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: They grew up together, but just one happens to be of nobility and she's a baroness.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: The other one ends up just like doing all her crap for her, but they're also really close friends.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: But she gets her ready for bed and dresses her in the morning and pulls down her bed and gives her her wine and then she sits next to her and they needle point.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I I feel like um like Queens of England had that too, obviously.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I've definitely heard of this, you know, and I think the the strongest example I was thinking was like when I first read Rebecca, and Rebecca starts off as a companion.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's more like 1920s.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: I should know that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I should know that.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, so so it's kind of one of those interesting occupations.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: It probably differs very like based on how much money you have, your needs, like maybe regionally.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm your companion?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Does that mean I'm lower status than you?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I it goes both ways.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Race to see who becomes whose companion.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: We are each other's companions.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fair.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're mutual companions.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's just called friends, Megan.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure though.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, we'll figure it out by the end of the episode who is whose companion.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you don't catch me on a sickly day.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, okay, so back to Margaret Ward.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: So again, so she's she's a housekeeper, she's a companion, and then during this time, she actually befriends somebody who is a jailer's wife.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Gowler's wife.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: A gowler's wife.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um, through through that, she meets a priest who's imprisoned at the jail that this um, you know, wife's husband works at.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: So his name is William Watson, and he's a Catholic priest.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: William Watson, I'm gonna get into more about William Watson because he's a main part of the story, but his story kind of continues on after Margaret.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll circle back to William.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, all you need to know at this time is William Watson is a Catholic priest.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we're now in Elizabeth I's reign.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And Elizabeth I, if you need to know anything about Tudor history, Elizabeth was Protestant, she was anti-Catholic.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Her older sister, right before her, Mary I, also known as Bloody Mary, she's pro-Catholic.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, every like it always flip-flops.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, during this era.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: During this era, era, error.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: This was their Protestant era.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have eras.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I see a new social media reel coming.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is our Protestant era.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: The eras.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Henry's version.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Henry's version.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, Elizabeth's version.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I think it's so funny because Mary I has the worst reputation.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: For having such a short reign.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Five-year reign.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they said of all the people she executed, you know, all these people that she imprisoned.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, comparing it to Elizabeth I and her father Henry VIII, like they're just as bad.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: She's as good as I was.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: And Edward VI.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Edward VI was just as bad as well in a short reign.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Mary obviously was known as Bloody Mary because she uh arrested and executed so many Protestant um heretics in their point of view.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: But at this point, we're with Elizabeth.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: So Catholic is out, Protestant is in, right, and William Watson is a Catholic priest.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'll start off with like his early life, and then we'll I'll I'm gonna come back to him later.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: So William Watson in 1586, he became a Catholic priest in France, but he visited England quite often, and he was a pretty brave guy because he was frequently imprisoned and even tortured for being a Catholic priest.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, that's all I gotta say about that right now.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's all that I'm gonna stop right there.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but he was being held at this point because he was imprisoned so many times.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: He was at Bridewell Prison.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And Bridewell's kind of a cool place.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it used to be a palace, right?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was Bridewell Palace before.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So in the early reign of King Henry VIII, when he was only a few years into his reign, he was gifted this palace, which sometimes it was his lodgings, sometimes it was his home.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And again, like they would bounce around to different palaces, but I never really heard of Bridewell.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, because it's not like a Hampton Court or a Greenwich, yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was an early home to King Henry VIII.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: His son Edward VI, once he was was king, he gifted the palace to the city of London.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: And at first the city of London had pretty good intentions with it.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: They started off making it into an orphanage.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sweet, cute.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anastasia.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of transitioned into orphanage plus a place for quote unquote disorderly women could be held.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Disorderly women.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I read disorderly women in quotes.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: As in like probably prostitutes.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say maybe the unwed.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: The people that aren't going to be going to a nunnery, yeah, but they need to be kept somewhere.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: They need to put them somewhere and deal with these disorderly women.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then eventually in 1556, it transitioned into a hospital and a prison.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, it's just a prison.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it went through all these different phases.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, it ended up being Bridewell Prison.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it was a prison for many, many, many years.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's where William Watson, our Catholic priest, was being held.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: We we don't gift enough estates these days.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when's the last time we got a new AC?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: You want to give me your property?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: My companion.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take it right now.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean when I die.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sure.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: How old are you?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just kidding.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Drink more wine, Megan.
• 22:33
  unknown: No.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're the sick.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I am sick.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the one on my deathbed right now.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I was just gonna say, like, it, you know, because in this era it was always so common.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: We talk about this a lot with King Henry VIII of him being like, he gave Wolseley a palace.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: He, you know, it's like you they're constantly just exchanging palaces and lands properties every time someone was knighted.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or they would take too.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like oh, Wolsey had Hampton Court Palace as his own residence.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then when he fell out of favor, Henry VIII is like, I'll just be taking back, please.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's true, but I mean, you don't hear about like American presidents being like, Oh, congratulations! Like, here's your house.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Here's Mount Vernon for you.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like here's this beautiful place in Maryland, this estate that's been in my family.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that doesn't happen anymore.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the other thing that we really lack on that the British are thriving with is naming their estates.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like this estate, and I will call it an estate as we are in my office, has a name.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's called, should we have them guess?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: How do we know?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like again, Dora the Explorer.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Guess the name of our estate.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: We wait.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is Blackmore Manor.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: We actually did we very early on established this as Blackmore Manor.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's official because our Wi-Fi password.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the Wi-Fi name is Blackmore Manor.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love to name houses.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I have my my townhouse that functions as a rental property.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's Tiger Lily.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh very Peter Pan.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Naming cars too as well.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I name my cars.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: My car right now is Begira.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Mine is Annie.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: She has little British flags on her.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've got I I fun fact about me.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a red convertible Mini Cooper.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Her name is Annie, and she's got the British flag.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't posted her ever.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we might be taking a road trip this summer, and if we do.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Is it weird to post a picture of your license plate?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: I technically I don't think you're supposed to.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: If it's like a unique plate.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think if it's a vanity plate, it's probably fine.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting a vanity plate.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that ironic?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, should you tell?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us next time.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: But it is weird that you blur it out when it's just letters and numbers, and yet when it's a vanity plate, you're like, look it, here's my license plate.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the rules.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the rules.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, you should name things just like the British people do.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they don't even have addresses sometimes, you just have you know, names.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Where where were we uh this is gonna be like another tangent episode?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so no no it's not gonna be a tangent episode.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so William Watson, yeah, he was at Bridewell Palace, which was gifted, and we should continue doing that.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: So back to Margaret Ward.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she befriended William Watson when he was in prison.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, she's Catholic, brought up Catholic, so she sympathizes with this Catholic priest that's jailed there.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And a bit of a rebel to be at a point when Catholicism is basically illegal and she's still supporting it.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: So they become friends, and she gets to the point where she starts taking him food.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like she sneaks in meals for him, and eventually she gets to a point where she knows that he's probably going to be um executed soon.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: She feels for him.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure they have some like very nice, meaningful conversations, probably about life, religion, all of that.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then she decides to take it upon herself to sneak him a rope.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: So she like smuggles in a rope at some point, and she tells him that she's gonna help him escape.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where the episode gets juicy because she goes so far as to not just give him a rope, but she like arranges this whole escape plan for him.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: So she says, Hey, I've arranged for you to have two Catholic boatmen who essentially are gonna be right next um door to the prison or to yeah, to the prison, which is right on the Thames.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thames.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: The Thames.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: We so I love it.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Please do not stop.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not offended.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love it when people correct our pronunciations.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: We are the first to say we we we fit.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: We are not good at pronunciation.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is the Thames.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you for our listener who very actually, like honestly, like very politely was like, I just have to say this one thing, and I was honestly laughing.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I appreciate the feedback.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: We always say Thames, so now we'll say Thames.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: So now we are cool, and we don't say gal anymore, we say jail.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: That was a big one.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're still working on some and the Thames, yes, the Thames River.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: So the Thames is right next to uh Bridewell, and so she says there's gonna be two men in the boats who are gonna be there once you escape with your rope.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, make sure you take the rope with you and you leave with these boatmen.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they have this whole plan together, and when he finally does escape, I don't know if it's in a rushed capacity or what the situation is exactly, but he's he ties the rope, like wrap repels down, and the rope isn't long enough.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: And we're not sure if it's because the rope is like doubled up or maybe knotted differently, you know, or if it was just too short of a rope.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Which, in defense of Margaret, how do you know the length of the rope?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you measure that beforehand?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is she out there pretty tall?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is she out there with like yard sticks trying to figure out, you know, how how big the rope needs to be?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Did she just eyeball it?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know how you would know how tall the rope needs to be anyway.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I I would have no idea.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Did they even have measurements at that point?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yes, they definitely they've had measurements since like ancient times.
• 27:56
  unknown: Okay.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I don't know.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know if they had yard sticks handy.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh geez.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, can you really blame her for it not being the right length?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: So of course he's kind of like dangling halfway down.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, I can just envision the scene of him like that oh shit moment of realizing you're halfway down a tower.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: We're relieved that you're out of jail, but you're like, well, you know, what do we do now?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do I jump?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: So he decided to, in fact, let go of the rope and he breaks his arm and his leg once he hits the ground.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Poor guy.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not only that though, but Margaret was also very anxious to begin with because that same day, one of the boatsmen pulled out.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know why.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's because he got cold feet and because this is a very dangerous situation.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so she had to scramble and figure out somebody new.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oof.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which she did find somebody new.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: His name was John Roche.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: So John Roche is there with, I think, one other man, and they they help him kind of okay, you're broken.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: They pick him up off the ground, take him to the boat, and they get him to safety by boat.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the escape was successful, but of course, what do they do?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: They leave the rope.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And how are you supposed to get the rope, right?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's a rope drop.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Halfway up the halfway up the the wall, like go back into the prison and yellow.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're not gonna knock on the front door and be like, I left something in my prison.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I I was on the on the verge of escape, but I left a few things.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can I just go in there and just do a little swipe through the room?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: And to be honest, even if say the rope was long enough, how do you get the rope then too?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: That that's what I don't get.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing I could actually envision is if the rope was double the length it needed to be, which means it's super long, and you like swing it through if the like, and I didn't know if this was the case, if there's like a bar and you just kind of like pulley it down, you know?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: You could do it.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can slide it through.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's knotted up on the top, how would you ever get it down?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: You'd need someone up there to Yeah, you would it's a kind of a two-person job.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I have an idea.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I would catch fire to the bottom of it and burn it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's also suspicious.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like the whole point is to destroy evidence.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now you'd leave a half-burnt rope up at the top.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I don't know if that really alarming everyone with your smoke.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how I would do it.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'd get a bird.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I would train the bird to peck at it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: To peck at the rope while you wait outside of your prison with my broken arm and my broken leg.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so again, maybe the only way you could do it is like you said, if you have double around a bar and you kind of have both ends of the rope, one in each hand, and it's a huge rope.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: You can maybe that way.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: But uh any other way, I don't really see it working well.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you're a physicist, let us know.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Give us ideas.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: If you're an escape artist, please reach out.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'd love to hear your thoughts.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so again, finally gets to safety.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: But because this rope is left behind, it is now like a smoking gun, essentially, saying Margaret Ward did it because she's the only person at this time visiting him, giving him food.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's no one else.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: She was the last one who saw him.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like there's no one else that would provide him with a rope or even have the means to provide him anything.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: So immediately they say, Okay, ma'am.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Arrested, charged, and tried for aiding a traitor to escape.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Why didn't she escape?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why didn't she leave with them and go into hiding?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she might have had a good lifestyle.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, she's this companion, like this is the companion, I guess.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: She's got nice dinners every night.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: She has no reason to really like alter her life because she probably thinks she's not really guilty of anything.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: They said she was on the way of leaving her house when they arrested her and they found her and they cornered her.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like they definitely knew where she lived.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So if she just had to like hang low for a little bit, that's all it would have taken.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's also like when you do something like that, you almost want to hide in plain sight.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because if all of a sudden Margaret disappears for a few weeks, then she returns to the town.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, where have you been?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Disneyland.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where were you?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, again, the best strategy is it's gotta be Mr.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Toad.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: You again, I knew it.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I knew this was gonna come up, Megan.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: He escapes the tower.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Every time we have a prison break episode of Megan without fail, we'll reference Mr.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Toad.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: I will say, anytime there's a pirate or a boat involved, we reference Mubba's Treasure Island, and anytime there's a prison escape, it's Mr.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Toad.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: He had it pretty, he had it well thought out.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Tell them one more time, damn it, man.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, I I really do, and we've mentioned this before.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: You need to now make a reel.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Can you please make a reel with Mr.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Toad's?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in my real era, if you haven't noticed.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I I strongly believe that Mr.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Toad from The Wind in the Willows slash Mr.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Toad's Wild Ride.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: I strongly believe that he is referenced, like the whole reference is alluding to the very first prisoner of the Tower of London, who is one of the only prisoners who actually escaped.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he escaped by wearing women's clothing and escaping out the window.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I thought it was a laundry thing.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was a laundress.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: But he wore a woman's clothes.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, you're right, you're right, you're right.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm mixing up my stories.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now I'm mixing up Mr.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Toad.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Either way, he was.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: I really do think it was alluding to Mr.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: like Mr.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Toad was alluding to the Tower of London.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I think you know, someone did it correctly.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: Just stick with that.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Stick with the blueprint.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: The blueprint.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Blueprint's out, guys.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Tried and true.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Don't use a rope.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: So don't break your legs.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: So smoking gun.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Poor Margaret Ward.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think they were at this point uh torturing her so that she could give information about where William Watson actually went.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: But they they did tort so they they did arrest her.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying I think that's why they were torturing her, was for that information.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because it is it is proven that they hung her up by her wrists in I'm gonna say it wrong, manacles.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what they're called?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're like little little uh handcuffs.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hang her up by those, and she's essentially flogged and beaten for like eight days to the point where they say she might have even even been crippled or paralyzed.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's how much they they hurt her.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they hung her up just enough for her like tiptoes to be on the ground.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: So she can't really get footing, but she's not completely hanging, like she has just enough leverage to basically not like I don't know, pull the sockets out.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like like severely hurt yourself.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's still severely hurt.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: It reminds me of Count of Monte Cristo too, when he's like hung up by those handcuffs and flogged every every uh anniversary.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: So just awful.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: But that's yeah, one of the worst ways to have you know, you feel completely helpless.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the yeah, and they also caught John Roche.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: He was the the guy who was the last minute stand-in, which kind of sucks too, right?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're like, I'm a substitute teacher.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I here?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even go here.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, they arrested both of them.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Robert South Southwell, who was a priest and also a martyr, he um was said to have like commented about what they did to Ward and basically what you said, Elizabeth.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: They said she was flogged and hung by the wrist, by the tips of her toes, only touching the ground.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: She was left crippled and paralyzed.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it goes on about like her strength and dignity and all that stuff.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: All that um they yeah, and they were torturing her.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is why I like torture is so ass backwards.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they torture enough just to get a confession, right?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because like you almost need the confession to go to trial, but they don't want to torture enough to kill the person because they they don't have the satisfaction of executing them.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's just torture torture doesn't work, like and then you usually end up getting a false confession anyway because they're so tired of the torture.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like it doesn't really accomplish all that much.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: She did go to trial, her and John Roche, they were offered a release for the Queen's pardon.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: They had all they had to do to be pardoned completely, was to confirm to the established church.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the Church of England.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: I read it was either to completely confirm to the church or just to attend a Protestant service.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which, if it's just that, is that worth your life?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's educational for you.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like that friend of another religion, and they're like, come with me to just one.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had a friend who was Episcopalian.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not that different from Catholicism.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I went to an Episcopalian service and it was very lovely.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've had friends, you know, I've done I've gone a few different places.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have you well, you can't go to a Mormon temple, can you?
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I've been inside Mormon temples, but you're not allowed to go to the service.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I have seen a lot of Mormon temples.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're beautiful.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Very fancy.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Try something new, you know?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: But she wasn't willing.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but because she was so devoted to her Catholic faith.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, at this time, it was that was your entire brand.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: So she refused, and the next day she was sentenced to death.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the very next day.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: So they decided, and I think there was a few executions lined up at this point.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I should clarify, she was sentenced the next day it was to be carried out.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so both her and John Um Roche were sentenced to death by hanging of the neck.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Again, dropping of the rope.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Dropping of the rope.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Common thing.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's the theme of the evening.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And this was gonna take place at Tyburn on August 30th, 1588.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: And remember that she's only born in 1550.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: So she's only 38 at this time.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: She's not like, you know, elderly.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's pretty much in the prime of her life, and that's a rough I mean.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now she now she'd be in her life.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Nowadays, you mean back then back then?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's middle-aged.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: She was a Did we tell them that we called you middle-aged at the Ren Fair?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: We said she's not.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Megan is not middle-aged, but she's I feel like a middle-aged one.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: This time she just for some reason got it in her head.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, you know, my whole shtick, like my whole personality at the Ren Fair is I'm a merchant's daughter.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Am I a merchant's wife now?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: And one of our friends goes, I think you're a merchant's widow.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, beyond wife.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: My husband's already dead.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: The the crops aren't growing, like, we're really not thriving in this imaginary like world I have at the Ren Fair.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: We were laughing so hard.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: I had to like pull Megan aside.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Megan, you know you're not actually middle-aged, you know you're not a widow.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: The whole the whole day it was like, oh, our middle-aged.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: We've been so used to your identity as merchant's daughter, and we're like, maybe we need to think about our timeline.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now that I have a new dress coming too, I feel like it comes with a new era.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: The merchant's widow.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Megan, the era of the rope drop.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I I have to, I promise I wouldn't say anything.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just real excited because the movie released on Disney Plus as we speak.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Can you say what movie for our listeners that don't know what you're talking about?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's about eras and music and Taylor Swift.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the Taylor Swift eras tour.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like no, but the way you said it, you said it.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's about eras and music and Taylor.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and what are you saying?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it's her version.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's my way of saying it without saying it.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm just like really excited because I'm gonna kick this sick woman out of here and watch it soon.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I'm gonna hang around just to bother you.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you wanna watch it with me?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's only three hours long.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'll commit to half hour with you.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Crack open another bottle of wine, which is really good for my cold, and I will do 30 minutes with you.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Could it be 30 minutes of my choice?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm gonna, aren't we gonna watch the whole thing at some point?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: We are?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: I thought so.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: My companion doing things for me that she doesn't want to do.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love you.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: You owe me.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love you.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm delirious and sick.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: I will commit, I will commit to 30 minutes.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: If I catch what you have, we can be six together and then watch it two times back to back.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Good God.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I don't want you to spend 30 minutes picking the 30 minutes.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have to know right away.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we'll just start at the beginning.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fine.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I won't talk through it.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna cry.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is like Christmas.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Happy birthday in September.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, my half birthday was yesterday.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: March 30th birthday.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Congratulations.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: My gift is.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're officially middle-aged.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm older than Megan.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm more middle-aged.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um we're at the sad part of the story.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're ruining it.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let's take this seriously.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have to blow my nose.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: So after the hanging, which was, I think, in front of quite a large crowd of people.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I said it was a large crowd.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they said that there were other besides John and Margaret, there were some other executions that day too, but I'm not really clear who they're who they were, what it was for exactly.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have Richard Lee, Richard Flower, a lot of Richards.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Large crowd showing up for everyone.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you drawn in quarterings that day.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it said on the documentary that we watched.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if I if I trust that.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you why.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because I referenced uh the AI voice, first of all.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: The second is because we looked up and I've referenced it before, but I have the the Tyburn book where it goes day by day, and it it it's like the actual documentation of who was executed on that day, and it's in old English, like it's kind of it's hard to read.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and there was only this.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they mentioned like four people, and they were like, and Margaret Ward like had hanged whatever on ye day of August.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so there was no drawn and quartering.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: I it only said there was like five people and they were hanged.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't trust the AI generated video that we watched.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my fucking that we didn't really know that was AI until recently.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was one person.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: We learned, guys, we're all gonna get fooled, okay?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, we all Photoshop a few things here and there.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so uh after after Margaret Ward was um had officially passed away, it wasn't until my gosh, like 1970, where Pope Paul VI um declared her canonized and she became one of the 40 martyrs of England and Wales.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a very big distinction in the Catholic Church.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of beautiful stained glass art about her.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and statues.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Statues.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, she was rocking a good look.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: They actually make her look very beautiful.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: They do, and I like it because she typically has a noose with her.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it symbol symbolizes not only how she died from the noose, but also what led her to the gallows was like exactly.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: That was the incriminating evidence.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh, if for those that celebrate like feast days, so Catholics and Episcopalians who celebrate feast days, um, that feast day for her is on uh August 30th, which is the day she was executed.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: We should start doing that.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Feast days?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you get food.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but there's a lot of them.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think the ones that we like.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: They're all for different martyrs and name days and saint days.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot, I think.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure I've I think my grandma used to try and do a few things like that every once in a while.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm like, maybe that should be one of our things is if there's a person that we've had an episode on and they have a feast day, we should celebrate it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a bad idea.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: In honor of them.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: How will we celebrate with charcuterie and wine and chit-chat?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean how we normally do, obviously.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um but she became known as the Pearl of Tyburn as well, which is a really lovely name.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love when they get there.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder why they came up with Pearl.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: My name means Pearl in Greek.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Megan?
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: It does?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, my birthstone is Pearl.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: We are just like companions at heart.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Megan loves loves that we're companions.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Never letting you get away with this.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be your companion, Megan.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoy it.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: I promise I would get back about William Watson.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Again, William Watson was the priest that all of this happened for.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Who seemed to no comment on this?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Seemed to not even care.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the thanks for the half-ass rope, and he ran away and she died.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because he was off recovering with his broken arm and leg.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: They also like located the boatsman, but they didn't locate William Watson.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: But don't worry, he didn't get off her lawn.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't say that.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we are in in favor of William Watson.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: We like him.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Reminder, he was the Catholic priest.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: He was in and out of prison a lot.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of went on another dark path about William Watson.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so after all of this went down, Elizabeth I died in 1603.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: And at that point, James I was about to get on the throne.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Who is Mary Queen of Scots's son.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Surprisingly, is Protestant.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Even though Mary Queen of Scots is Catholic.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: A Catholic martyr.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like she died in the name of Catholic faith as well.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, none of it makes sense.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there was something called the Archpriest Controversy, which lasted for about five years.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that was a debate that started after Pope Clement the Eighth um made this whole initiative to oversee the Roman Catholic Church missionary priests.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Watson was seen as a champion for secular priests.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Secular priests are they're not priests in a religious order.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: And this dispute came up between the secular priests and and the I can never say it, the Jesuits.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Jesuits.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Jesuits.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Who were part of a religious order.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um they whatever.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: So so just to start with that, there's this controversy about who's overseeing what, and there's just a lot of turmoil in the air.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of political turmoil.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Even not just against Protestants and Catholics, but amongst the Catholic priests in themselves.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: So Elizabeth dies, and Watson takes it upon himself to go show James I how loyal he is to his to his Catholic faith.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, he's loyal to James.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he thought James was Catholic.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you know there's rumors about, you know, there's things.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: But he thought that he could like play a sneaky one and try to win James over.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because the Catholics at this time, it was still kind of up in the air of like they weren't quite sure where James fell.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: They were confused because of his mother.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they were over all these years of Elizabeth and and all of Protestantism.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: She wasn't the cheery, beautiful, like she did, she did prosecute any pro any, sorry, any Catholic.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: So so he's trying to win over James I.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he fails.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: James doesn't care.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: James doesn't care.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: He is against the Catholics.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um he starts, James starts putting fines for anyone who doesn't attend Protestant or church, the services of the Church of England.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then this is when the by plot starts.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's also called the Watson's plot of 1603.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is the Roman Catholic priests and the Puritans had this plan of action to kidnap James I.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: That always works.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what they were gonna really like where they were gonna get with that, but they had two motives.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted no more fines on the Catholics for not attending certain not attending services, and they wanted to remove certain ministers of the king.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: George Blackwell, he was he was an arch priest, and even though he was a Catholic priest, he was like kind of like against Watson again because the there was this conflict amongst the Catholic priests.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: So Blackwell's anti-Watson in some roundabout way, he basically tells Robert Cecil, who's the ear to the king, about this plot that's going to go down.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: This plot, it's called the biplot because it's like a subplot.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of the the precedent of the main plot.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the main plot was the bigger conspiracy to take out James I, put Arabella Stewart on the throne.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was a whole thing.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: We won't get into it too much right now.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not entirely relevant.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: The only part's for a later episode.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: The only part I feel like is a little bit relevant to the series in general, to beheaded, I mean, our series, is um it is kind of related to Sir Walter Raleigh.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: And like all of that.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: So it was it was very much like a trickle of events of them being just pissed off over the king.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: All that said, Watson didn't live much longer.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean I guess it was a decent amount of time.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: So um, so Margaret Ward was executed in 1588, right?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: 1603, either November 29th or December 9th.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the same year Elizabeth I died.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: So all this happened within the year.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth died what, end of March?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they don't remember exactly.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: I should know this for this date.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say it was end of March 1603.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: James tries to get on the throne, all of this shit goes down.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: By November, early December, Watson is also executed.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I was gonna say where, but I didn't have that in my head.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um good night.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that's our night.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so all that said, like, you know, I I feel like if you're gonna be Catholic during any part of this time period, you kind of know the risks and what might be coming for you.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's I mean scary for either religion, right?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like it depending on who's on the throne, which which Henry VIII's wives are in the mix.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you and again, information doesn't travel that fast those days.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you just check your like social media and your news daily.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I better, I better go to the Protestant like service, or like, oh shoot, like you know, better run if I'm Catholic, whatever it is.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it doesn't how do you how do you even know?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: By the time they make up their mind, maybe your information that you're getting is outdated.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you live in the country, I don't know.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: How are you supposed to know any of that?
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: They have those little people on boxes going around, like here, here.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, they did, I think, and pamphlets, yeah, word of mouth.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, they weren't forgiving for anybody.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that wasn't an excuse if you just didn't know.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a funny, like, like Mel Brooks type of spoof, where it's like two like people meeting in the countryside trying to figure out like which religion each one of this.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, so tell me, do you attend church?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I I do attend service.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: Church.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Which service do you typically go to?
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: The 11 a.m.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: service.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you'd have to be the one I'm supposed to go to that the king tends to go to.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: And who is the king?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: I heard it was that boy Edward VI.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: Ha! We have a queen on the throne.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: But literally, like it's like, you know, it'd be a funny little spoof.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: You should write that down.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, thanks.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'll have to work on it when I'm not sickly.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my brain's firing a little faster.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so when your brain is not fiery fast, I'm gonna ask you a question.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: While it's slow, can't do this.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Any final words.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank god, not today.