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Capítulo 081: Notes from the epicenter with Dr. Mj Murphy · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Radio radio radio Commies, a myth and Bullshit, a radio
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  Speaker 1: phonic novella look At a Radio hosted by Malamo. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to season four of Look at the Radio. Wanted for
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  Speaker 1: Crimes against the Patriarchal. We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming
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  Speaker 1: to bring you Quarantine Confidential, a special pandemic broadcast about
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  Speaker 1: our experiences with quarantine and COVID nineteen. I'm Giosa and
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mala. Our intention behind this mini series is to
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  Speaker 1: archive our experiences during this global coronavirus pandemic. Thank thank
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  Speaker 1: you bringing us on this journey. Yes, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining us on this journey. I'm super excited
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  Speaker 1: for this edition of Quarantine Confidential. Last time on Quarantine Confidential,
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  Speaker 1: we interviewed Marvin Lemos and Linda vet Chavez, the creators
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  Speaker 1: of the hit Netflix series Henthified. So you can listen
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  Speaker 1: to our interview with Marvin and Linda on Apple Podcast, Spotify, SoundCloud,
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  Speaker 1: and audio book. Yes, tune in if you haven't already.
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  Speaker 1: That interview was so much fun. It's a lengthy interview.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about a lot. Yeah, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: really got deep into the coronavirus or just the global
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  Speaker 1: pandemic and how we're all feeling. And then we also
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  Speaker 1: talked about the creation panthified. So I think it was
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  Speaker 1: a really fun interview but also has some depth to it. Agreed, Agreed.
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  Speaker 1: I had a great time talking to them. They're a riot,
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  Speaker 1: Linda and Marvin. They're really fun. So hopefully if we
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  Speaker 1: are ever allowed to leave our homes again, we can
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  Speaker 1: hang out in a life we were talking about that,
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  Speaker 1: um so yeah, cute stuff. And today we're gonna just
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  Speaker 1: like catch up and talk about what we've been watching,
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  Speaker 1: what we've been doing, what we've been observing, and then
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  Speaker 1: we have a really special interview in the second half
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  Speaker 1: of this episode with Dr m J. Murphy. She is
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  Speaker 1: a frontline e er resident physician in a hospital in
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  Speaker 1: New York City, the epicenter of our coronavirus pandemic here
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  Speaker 1: in the States, and we're going to talk to her
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  Speaker 1: about what she's experiencing on the front lines. So before
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  Speaker 1: we get to that, Yosa, what have you been up to?
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  Speaker 1: What have you been watching? How's how's pandemic life? I
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  Speaker 1: started rewatching the Mindy project, yes, because I never finished,
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  Speaker 1: so I think that's on, Like I stopped watching around
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  Speaker 1: season four, um, just because life got so busy and
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  Speaker 1: I just stopped watching. So I'm starting to rewatch it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm also rewatching Desperate Housewives. Love it and it's
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  Speaker 1: just good to early two thousand's drama, um, white sub white,
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  Speaker 1: suburbia drama that I cannot relate to, but it's still
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  Speaker 1: really entertaining. Yeah that I've been rewatching and right, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just also funny seeing now like Felicity Huffman's because oh, no, university,
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  Speaker 1: remember when the college admission scandal was like our biggest problem,
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  Speaker 1: like like like I would be really it was a
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  Speaker 1: simpler time. It was a simpler time. But you know
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  Speaker 1: what I remember, uh, loving Desperate Housewives because we still
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  Speaker 1: had our Latin X representation. We had Eva Longoria and
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  Speaker 1: her finest husband Carlos. Yes, daddy is so fine. And
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  Speaker 1: also okay, not to go off on a Desperate house
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  Speaker 1: I've spended but it's okay. So Terry Hatcher, it's considered
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  Speaker 1: or at the time, was voted one of the sexiest women,
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  Speaker 1: like itching, I remember that, right, And so I've just
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  Speaker 1: been looking at these women and I'm like this was
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  Speaker 1: are like these were are like really beautiful and they
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  Speaker 1: are there. I'm not not to say that they aren't,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just really interesting how things have changed in
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  Speaker 1: terms of what society finds beautiful. I don't know, that's
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  Speaker 1: the whole different conversation. Oh yeah, there was a time
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  Speaker 1: where it was like Pamela Anderson was everything, Harris Hilton
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  Speaker 1: was everything. They were like the beauty icons. When the
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  Speaker 1: look was like see you know, that was the look
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  Speaker 1: and they had it. I know, like I remember when
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  Speaker 1: people would say I remember in like movies and just media.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, the whole thing was like does my
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  Speaker 1: ask looks that? But in a negative way, right, And
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  Speaker 1: now everybody wants the fact ut you know, And it's
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  Speaker 1: just really interesting to see if our ideas of beauty
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  Speaker 1: have provis Yeah, um, I totally agree. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: was a time right where it was like Jen Aniston
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  Speaker 1: was like the that bitch, like she was that girl.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to look like Jen Aniston. So it was
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  Speaker 1: funny when I was in college, I took this like
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  Speaker 1: Latino Theater like class, um, shout out Noey Montez, my professor, Um,
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  Speaker 1: so know, we had us read this article. There's this
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  Speaker 1: genre of academia that does a lot of focus on
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  Speaker 1: like the body, and there are PhDs who write almost
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  Speaker 1: exclusively about like Selena and j Lo and like their
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  Speaker 1: bodies and like the politic around that and just their
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  Speaker 1: butts alone. Did you read the Lot of Love Beauty
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  Speaker 1: that I read like someone to read? Yes, I read
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  Speaker 1: that too. I wrote a paper from that dissertation. There
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  Speaker 1: you go, right, So we were all reading dissertations about
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  Speaker 1: j los As in college. Um, that was our our study.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I went to school to study. And um, clearly,
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  Speaker 1: And I just think it's fascinating because it really is
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  Speaker 1: a thing. There's been a paradigm shift, and there's such
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  Speaker 1: a focus on like that the lower half of the
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  Speaker 1: body specifically, which I think is really there's like ties
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  Speaker 1: to anti blackness and the hot and top venus and
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  Speaker 1: all of these things and objectification of black women, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of writing about it, but it's so true.
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  Speaker 1: It's a trip like going back in time in beauty standards, right,
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  Speaker 1: And it's a trip to see because it's not that
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  Speaker 1: now we find women of color or black women specifically,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a society like more attractive or the
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  Speaker 1: actual beauty standard. But it's more of the body type,
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  Speaker 1: but on a white woman, that's what's most attractive. The roots, right,
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  Speaker 1: rooted in anti blackness and the hyper sexualization bodies of
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  Speaker 1: black women. Yeah. So anyway, I'm thinking all of this
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  Speaker 1: while I'm watching Desperate Housewife, of course, because God forbid,
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  Speaker 1: I like consume media and not think that way. Right,
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  Speaker 1: It's right. I just you in my mind and like
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  Speaker 1: I always spar it with you because everyone else is like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, can you not? And I'm like, fine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so I don't. I let people be. But
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  Speaker 1: internally I'm thinking exactly exactly. Um. But something that we
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  Speaker 1: talked about in the last episode we talked about un orthodox?
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  Speaker 1: Will you alluded to an orthodox? I finally watched it, girl,
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  Speaker 1: tell us how you think? What did you think? Wow? Um? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So I, um, like most things these days, that's knew
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  Speaker 1: like a Netflix original. I have been watching it with
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  Speaker 1: zero expectations, so like not really knowing what I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to get into, but it'd be really good, right, Sure,
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  Speaker 1: So I watched because Mama was like, you have to
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  Speaker 1: watch it, so naturally I did and it wasn't intense
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  Speaker 1: and incredibly emotional. Um, I cried multiple times. Beautifully done,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought he and I thought it was done
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  Speaker 1: with such cultural respect. Obviously I'm not of that culture,
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  Speaker 1: but I did watch the making of it afterwards, um riveting,
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  Speaker 1: and so I thought, yeah, I thought it was so
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  Speaker 1: beautifully done. And I think that they really capture how
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  Speaker 1: this community was really birthed out of collective trauma, out
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  Speaker 1: of the Holocaust. So I thought that that was so
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  Speaker 1: beautifully done. And I heard all of our listeners to
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  Speaker 1: watch it. It's really good. It's I mean, the episodes
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  Speaker 1: are like forty five minutes, and I think there's only
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  Speaker 1: like seven or eight episodes. So needless to say, I
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  Speaker 1: watched it in a day, right, I watched it in
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  Speaker 1: a day. Once I started, I couldn't stop. I sat
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  Speaker 1: on my couch and I sobbed all the way through.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, it was super emotional. And the actress
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  Speaker 1: who played st just killed in that role. She really conveyed.
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  Speaker 1: She conveyed the pain and the conflict, but also just
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  Speaker 1: like this spirit, and I loved just like her desire
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  Speaker 1: to be an artist and just figuring out where her
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  Speaker 1: art was, like what exactly her niche was. And I
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  Speaker 1: love that moment where it's like her culture which was
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  Speaker 1: trapping her also was her gift at the same time,
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: you know, when she's saying like that Yiddish song and
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: not to like obviously spoilers all the way around, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean whatever, we make no promises on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean it was just Gordon. The whole thing
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  Speaker 1: was gorgeous. And I just when it ended, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: is there gonna be a season two? Is there more?
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  Speaker 1: Is this it? Like? I need more. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know more, Like I need to see her. I need
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  Speaker 1: to see s D in action. I need to know
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  Speaker 1: if she got the scholarship right. And so for those listening,
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  Speaker 1: we just jumped right into the storyline. But this is
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  Speaker 1: a Netflix original series called Unorthodox, and it's based on
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  Speaker 1: a true story. Um, a woman who I should have
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  Speaker 1: looked at her name before we started talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But the author of this book wrote a memoir about
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: growing up in this sat Mar Hasidic Jewish community in Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: New York, and just it's very insularum, very intent channel
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  Speaker 1: community set up post Holocaust, and she left and so
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  Speaker 1: this show un Orthodox is an adaptation, a sort of
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  Speaker 1: fictionalized adaptation of this woman's true life story. And it's amazing,
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  Speaker 1: So I highly recommend everybody go watch it. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: really good. It's really good, and I think it just
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  Speaker 1: gives for me, gave me an insight to a religion
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  Speaker 1: and culture that I knew very little about and forced
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  Speaker 1: new little things because I went to Catholic school and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we did learn about the religion, so I
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  Speaker 1: knew very little to the depth of it. I think
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  Speaker 1: apically done. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like in Catholic school, they're
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  Speaker 1: not trying to expose you to other religious beliefs or experiences.
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  Speaker 1: They're like my senior year, I actually, um it was
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  Speaker 1: required to the take a World Religions class, so um
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  Speaker 1: chapter study the different religion of the world. Yeah. My school,
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  Speaker 1: considering it was a Catholic school, it was like pretty
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  Speaker 1: like there were some progressive aspects of it. I won't
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  Speaker 1: say it's progressive because it's it was still a Catholic school.
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  Speaker 1: My junior year, they we had to learn about like
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  Speaker 1: all of the sacraments, but like in depth, and so
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  Speaker 1: they actually had us make a marriage book. And so
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  Speaker 1: our marriage book we would plan out a whole wedding itselves.
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  Speaker 1: As like the sixteen year old ye get out and
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  Speaker 1: have a maid of honor like a whole thing, like
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: you were planning a whole wedding. It was crazy. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: everybody into it. School was known, like had a reputation
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  Speaker 1: for being more progressive, especially because of like um, I
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: think people knew of of that school is as as
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  Speaker 1: being one that allowed pregnant students to continue their education
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  Speaker 1: for as long as it was like medically safe to
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  Speaker 1: do so, right, and that's not true of other Catholic schools.
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  Speaker 1: They will kick your ass out right absolutely, and like
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  Speaker 1: for me, like I was out in high school, and
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  Speaker 1: so I took my high school girlfriend, who like senior prom,
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  Speaker 1: And that wasn't even a question. It was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to take my girlfriend to senior proms. However,
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  Speaker 1: later I found at other classic schools you weren't allowed
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  Speaker 1: to take another girl. You literally had to take a book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so there were some progressive things for sure. All of
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  Speaker 1: that to say that I took a with this class
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  Speaker 1: my senior year until we were required about different religions.
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  Speaker 1: So I did have some insight and some acquired learning
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  Speaker 1: about jude as a and other religions such as Buddhism
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  Speaker 1: and Hinduism and although and different religions you know, of
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  Speaker 1: the world, so not just Catholicism. Um, so there's there's that.
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  Speaker 1: There's my tidbit ongoing to a Catholic school. Yeah absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I think well I took a world religious class in
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  Speaker 1: high school, but my the high school was nondenominational. It
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  Speaker 1: was not religious. So that was interesting. It was interesting
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  Speaker 1: to go from a hyper religious uh community to a
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  Speaker 1: nondenominational community and then hear how non Catholics and non
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  Speaker 1: Mexicans because I went to a very like Mexican Filipino
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  Speaker 1: like Catholic church, right, so it's interesting to hear white
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  Speaker 1: white people who were also not Catholics, like talking about Catholicism.
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  Speaker 1: It was just like the other side of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the coin, and it was fascinating. Yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know that white Catholics exist, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: any of them. Like I know that they're out there,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know them because they're like Catholic lucky
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  Speaker 1: or Latin eggs. Yeah, there are white Catholics, and I
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  Speaker 1: I like straddle my childhood, we straddled between two churches.
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  Speaker 1: So the first one there were white people that went
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  Speaker 1: to that Catholic Church, and my mom used to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like this and that family, they're Opus Day and that's
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  Speaker 1: like a like a very conservative sect, right, like a
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  Speaker 1: subculture of Catholicism. And so they were the types of Catholics.
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  Speaker 1: They were white people, and they had all these kids,
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  Speaker 1: Like this family took up like two pews and they
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: had all these children and they would roll up in
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: these big white vans to carry their their litter and um.
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  Speaker 1: There were the Catholics that were like hardcore and would
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  Speaker 1: like cover their hair still to go to Mass, and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't believe in contraceptives. And it was like so
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  Speaker 1: the first church was very conservative and there were like
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  Speaker 1: those types of hardcore like Opus Day white Catholics. It
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  Speaker 1: was a lot. It's too much for me. And now
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  Speaker 1: I don't even remember when Easter is. I've gone to extremes.
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  Speaker 1: I've completely talked. The other day, I was like when
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  Speaker 1: is Easter? I don't even know when sister is anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Like the fuck really? And my mom was like, it's
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  Speaker 1: next week. Fine, you don't even go to church, like
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  Speaker 1: any opportunities. I know. We're also dreaming a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are reporting weird dreams and just like collectively sleep
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  Speaker 1: patterns being off, and I know you had a dream
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  Speaker 1: that you share with me, And then I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: read a d M that my friend Nora sent me
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  Speaker 1: from New York the same day as you told me
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  Speaker 1: about your dream. Yeah, so I have been So I've
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  Speaker 1: always dreamt very vividly and very intensely, but I've noticed
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  Speaker 1: that the past couple of weeks. Of course, during this pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: my dream state has shifted. So now my dream world
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  Speaker 1: is about the coronavirus. So in my dream, my dream state,
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware that there is a pandemic and that even
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  Speaker 1: my dream self cannot live a normal life. Right. So
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  Speaker 1: I had a dream that Malan nominated for an award
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  Speaker 1: and Mala was like, I'm not gonna go because we're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be safer at home. We can't be out
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  Speaker 1: in a fucking awards ceremony. So I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well I'll go, right, just for the both of us.
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  Speaker 1: So I go, but the whole time I'm stressed out
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  Speaker 1: about being there because I'm not supposed to be there.
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  Speaker 1: And then we accept this, so what will we end up?
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  Speaker 1: Winning this award? And I accept it, but I'm not
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: able to get in front of the curtains, like that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: are at a theater. So I'm trying to get in
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  Speaker 1: front of the curtains and I can't and I'm like
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  Speaker 1: fighting through them, and I finally get through them, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: my hair is like all disheveled, and it appears that
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  Speaker 1: I'm drunk. I'm not. I'm just stressed and I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to accept this award and I'm trying to thank thirty
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  Speaker 1: nine for being down for us, but I'm like, you're
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  Speaker 1: closed right now because of the craavirus. But shout out
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  Speaker 1: to nine. It was like the most intense, real stressed dream,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I have stressed dreams often, and usually
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  Speaker 1: I have them when I'm really tired and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: dressing enough, and so it was just really really funny.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately when I woke up, I had to text
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Mama and be like, yeah, my subconscious trying to funk
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  Speaker 1: with me. I love the specificity, Like that was a
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: real last dream, so like it could actually happen. Yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that was a legitimate, like scenario. Yeah, so I got
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  Speaker 1: at six party in the morning. Now, Nora's in New
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  Speaker 1: York in Brooklyn. Shout out Nora and Um, I get
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  Speaker 1: a d M from Nora at six thirty and then
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you texted me later in the day or later in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the morning. Um. And so Nora says, I just woke
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  Speaker 1: up from a dream where we were in college and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it was your day to present your project. You took
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: us all outside and started the lecture. Quote so the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: song pop your Pussy? What is it saying? End quote?
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  Speaker 1: Also everyone Also everyone was wearing ice skates because you
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: told us to come prepared with them. Anything with popping
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  Speaker 1: your pussy and skates involved, I'm like, yeah, that's a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: mala dream for sure. I'm sucking dead. If I were
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like some type of an adult performer, I would definitely
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do something involving pussy popping on roller skates. There's something
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  Speaker 1: there that needs to be explored. There is something there.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You are you are a performer, so that you will
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: see how we can that happen. Basically, basically, I just
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  Speaker 1: announced my next major like undertaking, so stay two yes,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: so stay tuned, find it on the look, I thought
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. But speaking of right, So, the l A
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  Speaker 1: Times did an article about how we're all having a collectively,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: we're all having intense coronavirus dreams and how they're they're
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  Speaker 1: actually doing sleep studies on this anyway, and we're turned today.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. Always I feel like we always do this
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: were every time it gets weird. Whatever, we're a chatter cast.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: We're a chatter cast. We are, we really are. We
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: just say with that. You know, I'm okay with the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: first half of our episodes being fun and lie but
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: also taking on the topics, and then the second half
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: being more journalistic interviewing, and I'm okay with that. I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: agree with you, and I think that we should start
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: calling what we do journalism tv H like we're journalists.
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  Speaker 1: We do interviews, we asked questions, journalism. Yeah, okay, it's true.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Again another please, we're journalists journalists us. So, something that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: we did last week was we didn't id live and
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: we also cad You are anonymous film on id TV
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and YouTube. You want to share Mala with our locomotives. Yeah, so,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: lokif is anonymous. We've talked about it here and there.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: We've shared like a short trailer. We shot a short film.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's like eight minutes and change um in and it's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a cast and crew filled with local Latin X talent
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that a lot of our listeners probably follow. We've got
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Vanessa Romo, We've got Jen from the Block, Um Chava,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Jose Salvador Sanchez, Michelle Morrow, Hobby, Uh. You know, all
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: kinds of people that you probably see on the Gram
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that you love, that you're friends with. We brought them
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: in for this project. DJ Zuri the Tropy got this,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Uh my sister. You know, I can go on and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on um so you can check out the full short film.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's it's a science fiction short based in a fictional
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: post apocalyptic society called the Patrio Apocalypse, and we are
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: running a covert like fem defense operation and are broadcasting
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a pirate radio show called Lucky Tha's Anonymous, and we're
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: we're in this radio station that we've built and we've
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: hidden under a nail salon called Nails. So that's the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: basic premise. So go check it out, comment, like share,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: let us know what you think. We want to do
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: more filming. Obviously now is not the time because we're
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in a pandemic, but we hope to put out more
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: episodes and built on the story in the future. Yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: we're really excited to see this grow and you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: hopefully make it episodic and so we followed dreaming. We
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of tech difficulties that we followed
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the streaming the veeling with an id lie and so
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that was my first time on I d Lie ever,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I've never done an id live before. And then Mala
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: didn't I do live after, So we ended up splitting
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it up into I did like thirty forty minutes and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: then Mala did another thirty forty minutes exactly. So because
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of that, we will be on ID Live more frequently,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and we're going to be doing an Oye locas on
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: id live later this week. So, Mama, I know that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you've been working on journalistic pieces, So do you want
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to share with our local what you've been working on,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: what you've been reporting on? Yeah? Absolutely, so I um,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: did I talk Did we talk about our zoom bomb
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: experience on an episode already? Did we already talk about it?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: We haven't talked about the zoom bombing yet. Okay, So
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: are you sure tell them what happens? So Mola and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I were on a zoom workshop. So it was a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: this journalist put together a workshop on how to pitch
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to a publisher, and she sent out all we had
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to do was sign up. She sends out a link.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So we joined, and there were about two hundred people
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: on the zoom call. And so one of the things
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that she had us do in order to joined was
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: we had to mute ourselves and we had the option
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of having our video on or off. But one of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the things that she did request is that everybody mute themselves.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So for the most part, everybody did. So when about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes into her workshop, when we heard like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: somebody talking, all of a sudden, we knew something was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: off for someone was joining them maybe wasn't supposed to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: be there. So this person started joined and they started
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: talking about their penis and they started, you know, this man,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of course a white man, started making all the sexually
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: explicit comments. And the next thing we know, um her
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I perceived it as her screen getting hacked and they
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: started showing corn on doing workshop. I immediately exit it
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: out and I was like, fuck this, I'm done with this,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Like I don't I can't do this right. And so
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Mama actually like at the fourth side, immediately like started
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: reporting what was going on on her phone. And so
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: do you want to share from your perspective what was happening. Yeah, Well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: first of all, it was super gross and just out
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, Like I didn't know what was happening, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I had never heard of this before, so I like
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: record as much of it as I can. It's like
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: multiple it's like three or four young white men. And
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I know this because they turned their cameras on and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: showed their faces. Um, and they were wearing like hoodies
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and sunglasses and bandanas. But they showed themselves and they
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: had like user names, so they have zoom accounts, I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: assuming because they had like unique user names that that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that they had named themselves. And it was super gross.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And I immediately went and shared to my Instagram and
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch of mohead is responded and told me that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: they had been in similar situations and that it's a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: thing called zoom bombing where pretty specifically, young white men,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: white supremacists hop into like zoom conference calls, video chats
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for distance learning, for workshops, for classes, for l A
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: City council meetings. You know, an l A City council meeting,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: their very first remote l A City council meeting. They
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: were receiving public comment. Um, they were zoom bombed. By
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: like some guy who tried to share pornography. So anyways,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I post to my Instagram and all these people are
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: telling me like they've been zoom bomb too. This is
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: what it is, the same day that Yosa and I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: were in that workshop that was zoom bomb. The exact
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: same day, Dolores whip Fat and Karen Bass, Um, we're
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on a zoom call about ending child poverty in California
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and uh finding funds in the COVID nineteen federal stimulus
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: package to like, you know, give children in needs. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: in the middle of Representative Karen Bass, who is the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, right as she begins speaking,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: some random white guy starts, you know, screaming over her
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and then takes over and does a screen share and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: shows his bare bottom. He moons them, He moons Karen
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Bass and deltas what the fuck? Like that's crazy. This
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is the ship that's happening. That's wild, and so like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: my immediate thought was like, damn, even in our own
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: fucking homes, we can't even escape this ship. Tally, how
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: was my immedia god? Um, Yeah, because we've been talking
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: about you know, Mola and I internally how when we're
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: out because people are home, that the street harassment has
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: lessened in some ways, not entirely, but in some ways
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it has lessons when we're outside walking our dogs. But
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: now there's another type of central harassment that we have
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to deal with, which is called zoom bombing exactly. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I I after after we had this experience. Right, this
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: was on a Thursday. It was like the of March
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: or something. So it's been a couple of weeks now
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it was or was it last week? I don't even
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: know the time. Time is not a thing anymore. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was like. It was a Thursday,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it was like March, and so this happens that day
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: we have that experience WHEREA and bass aren't aren't a call,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they were zoom bomb Johan Omar was on a different
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: call that was zoom bombed. Um. I heard from Am
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Ahead who was on a call with like church leaders
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: from El Salvador talking about you know, a st Oscar
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Romero and they were zoom bombed by white supremacist. Because
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the list goes on and on. So I interviewed, I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: interviewed a ton of people, and I'm writing two different
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: articles about it one is for an online public ad
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and called Prism, and I'm talking about the rape culture
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and the sexual harassment of it all. And my argument
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: is basically that this is digital terrorism, and this is
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: just a type of This is just a facet of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: digital terrorism that has been going taking place online for
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: literally decades now. Um, And I am basically saying that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: tech companies need to do better at this point, like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: they need to create all of their platforms with the knowledge,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: analytics and understanding of the past twenty years that the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: internet is a violent place, specifically for women and people
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of color and disabled and pure folks. Like we know this.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: This is not new, that's not a surprise. This is
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: part of a very long trajectory of white supremacist digital
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: terrorism is basically what this is. And so kind of
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like when we use fun new terms for historically violent behavior,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: like when we we talk about this this new thing
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: called stealthing, when really all it is is sexual assault, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like zoom bombing is just terrorism by another name, kind
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of a thing, So let's call it what it is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So look out for that article in Prism, And then
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I'm also writing an article about it for Bitch Media
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and that's more talking about specifically the white supremacy and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: anti blackness, UM and anti semitism that we're seeing pretty
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: specifically in a lot of cases of zoom box. So
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: check those out all post links and those should be
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: coming out uh this week and next. Yes, so excited
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to read. I'm really excited for you, thank you and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: so timely and ry and like who better to about
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you published? I appreciate that. So in two ways, that's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: what we've been working on. And Uh, in the meantime,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: we have a whole second half of this episode. This
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: already feels like a full last episode, but we have more, um,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a really exciting interview. I know we keep saying that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: our intros are gonna be like fifteen twenty minutes, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: they end up being full last episodes. I know clearly
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: we want to give the people content anyway, So we're
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: going to introduce Yes, Mala, do you want to introduce her? Yes?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So I am so excited for this interview. Guest. Um.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Dr Marie J. Murphy is an emergency medicine resident physician
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. She graduated from Tests University with
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: an undergraduate degree in International relations with a concentration in
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: global health and nutrition. During that time, she studied international
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: health at the University College London and completed research in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: asthma at the Harvard School of pub Like Health. After that,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: she earned her master's degree from Columbia UM at the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Mailman School of Public Health and Epidemiology while she was
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: working for the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene for
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the City of New York. She has done work all
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: over the world, including Haiti, the Dominican Republic in India,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and in ten she graduated from medical school with her
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: m d. From Sunni Upstate College of Medicine, and she's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: now in her residency in emergency medicine at a hospital
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York. She is in the middle of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic. She is on the front lines,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and this interview is all about what she's seeing, what
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: communities of color are dealing with, and some of the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: conditions that health care workers are dealing with. I love
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: this girl. MJ is my friend from college. We lived
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: together my sophomore year in La Caasa, Latina. She's a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: bad bitch, she's a genius. She's very accomplished, and I'm
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: so proud of her to see her from college student
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and us just like living our best lives to now
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: her literally being a hero in the midst of this
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: VISI global crisis and she's in the middle of it all.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, So we're gonna take a tiny break
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and then stay tuned for Dr Murphy. We love radio radio.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And we're back from our break with Dr Murphy. MJ
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: my friend from college who is frontline healthcare worker worker,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a resident m D resident doctor doctor in residence UM
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: in a hospital in New York, the epicenter of the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic in the United States currently UM. Today's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: April one of and uh m J, thank you so
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: much for coming on to look at to talk to
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: us today. Can you introduce yourself our listeners. Yeah, I'm
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: so excited to be here. Thanks guys. UM. Yeah, my
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: name is Amy Murphy. Uh. Like Mala said, I'm empty
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: resident position an emergency medicine in Brooklyn, New York. And yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot of patients who UM are
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: coming in with COVID COVID positive UM and we're just
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: trying to like the best we can. Right now, you're
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: gonna go to work tonight and start your shift because
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you work the night shifts. So after this interview with
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: us with look, you're going to head to the hospital. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So our schedules vary, so like one week you might
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: be on nights and then the next week you might
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: be on days. They put your night shifts together so
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you're not switching back and forth a lot, which is great. UM.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you work a lot of hours, especially like
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this time, there's so many patients and UM, there's some
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: people who are like staying later UM just to make
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: sure that everything, you know, was wrapped up with the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: patients more so than usual, which is something that people
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: usually do. But on top of that, with everything going on,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: everyone feels like an extra responsibility to help out more
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: than usual, UM, which is great myself included. UM. It's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it's been very difficult for a lot of people, especially
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: like residents and attendings UM sending so are the physicians
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: who supervise the residents UM, because it's hard people who
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: aren't able to see their families as much because you're
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: exposed all the time. Even with all the personal productive
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: equipment that we are required to wear, UM, you're still
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: putting yourself in a position where you're exposed to the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: virus with multiple like positive patients and so going home,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: especially people who have like young kids, like I don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: have children, but there's a lot of people who do. UM.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: It's very hard for them to know that they're bringing,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you know, passively exposing their family members to you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: this horrific disease virus. I think, UM, for a lot
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of us that are on Twitter, especially, we're seeing a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: lot of different information from doctors and nurses that are
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: working at the hospitals in New York. UM, So I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: would love to hear your experience thus far. I think
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that it's it's really hard, especially right now, to separate
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: those two things. Like we would love to UM just
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: because residency in general is a very time consuming time
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for a physician. Like in your life, UM, you work
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of hours, you're in the hospital a lot.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Actually we're originally called residents because we would sleep in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the hospital and literally live in the hospital back in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the day, and so like we work like eighty hours
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a week, sixty eighty hours a week. UM, So it's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: very time consuming in your life almost feels like your
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: jobs of times, and especially now UM. Like what we're
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: seeing is so many patients to especially like I work
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: in a community that's a lot of like Alphro Caribbean people,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and they already have like these baseline commorbidities like hypertension, diabetes,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: high cholesterol, COPD from smoking and all these other things
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: that already make them really highly susceptible to UM, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: this virus. And the problem is trying to separate that out.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: For myself, it's really hard because you see, like these
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: other early patients come in and it could very easily
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like be my grandmother, my you know, grandfather, and my
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: parents UM, and it's hard to like you know, emotionally
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: separate that UM. And on a regular basis, like in
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the e er, like, people get sick, people die, Like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's just a it's a nature of the work that
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: we do. But I think what's more difficult during this
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: time is two different things, like one feeling like like
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: we don't actually have a really good understanding of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: disease and how to treat it. UM. There isn't a
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: lot of evidence out there right now about how effective
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: ways to treat UM coronavirus or COVID nineteen and that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: really limiting and it's heartbreaking and then too as well,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like we're seeing a lot of patients that are coming
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in at the end stages, UM, like they're very short
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of breath. We're unable to get their oxygen saturation up,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and it's it's really heartbreaking because you're kind of like
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: watching so many people pass away from this on a
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: daily basis that it's it's hard to watch, you know, UM,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: because you feel almost very powerless. UM. I mean we're
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: trying the best that we can, and we're supporting people
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: as much as you can, but I mean it's hard,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: like visitors aren't allowed in the hospitals, UM, Families are
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: trying to call and you we try to give as
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: much information as we can over the phone without breaking laws.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's just a time where people are
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: sending their family members often to you ambulances, and then
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: they're not allowed to come to the hospital. And then
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: these patients are passing away and they're not seeing them
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: before they die, and it's really it's really like heartbreaking
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: to watch. But also like if I put my position, UM,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: if I was a family member like that is you
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: know something that I wouldn't want to go through and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: then on top of that, like in communities of color,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to having like these huge families that want to come
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: into the hospital and see like their grandmother, like the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: matriarch or the patriarch of the family, and like you
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: can't and they're calling and they can't see them. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: also it's just like it's a it's a lot on
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: a daily basis, you know, more so than what we
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: typically see in the er UM because just also like
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: resources and there's so many there's only so many treatments
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that are able to keep bowl at bay and UM
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like oxygen tanks and c PAP machines, by PAP machines,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: like we only have so many of them. We don't
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: have enough to support as many people that we're seeing.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So you know, there's only so much we can do.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that feeling UM kind of makes it
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: really personal for me and I know for a lot
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: of other people working. Yeah, thank you for describing those
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like really terrifying conditions that you're working in and that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: people in New York are living through. UM. So you
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning the personal Protective Equipment the PPE,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and like as a civilian in my house, a lot
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: of the news that I'm seeing is talking about shortages
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of PPE, and what is the situation there at your
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: hospital UM and practice single emergency medicine. What is the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: availability of PPE to you? That's a great question. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: think that nationally we definitely have a shortage. We were
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: not at all prepared for this, UM even a little bit. UM.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: We are always open to donations, especially in my hospital,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Like we have UM a contact person that if anyone
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: has donations, they can email them UM, which has been
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: very very helpful. UM. It's hard because we don't really
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: have a great understanding of the disease right now. We
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: believe it's like respiratory droplets, but like if it's airborne,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like you know, different that requires a different level of PPE.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: They're definitely shortages. They're definitely like more of a need
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: than there is a supply UM. But what I can
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: say is that like people have been very like very
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: aware of that fact, and they're donating like crazy, which
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: is super helpful, super needed, and like not only PPE,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: but also just especially at my hospital, they've you know
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: dropped off coffee or you know food or just like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: anything that can physically help, but also like keep up
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: morale because I think that's another important thing that people
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: aren't um seeing as much. Yeah, there's the ppe problem,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: which is you know, hidden behind a lot of like
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: bureaucracy and a lot of governmental like issues that are
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you know, causing it to become a bigger problem than
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: what it should have been originally. UM. But I think
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of support that healthcare workers need is also
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: just like a lot of mental health UM support because
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: right now it's a really difficult time. What ends up
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: happening is like, at least for me, like I go
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to work and then I come home, I go back
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to work, I come home, Like there's not a lot
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of space for decompression um or to talk about really
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: what's happening um, emotionally and mentally for a lot of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: people who have to deal with this every day. UM.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And so in addition to just the resources that we
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: need in terms of like protective equipment, it's also the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like you know, counseling and the talking because we don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of time, right So UM
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's I would say it's equally as important,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: UM also really as important as having you know, that
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: protection while you're at work um, because we're gonna see
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of like PTSD after this. It's very traumatic,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: very very traumatic. And for the people who are working
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in this this environment, um, they're going to need a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: lot of time to decompress, especially since I mean, I've
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: been really grateful because the people that I work with
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: are extremely dedicated, extremely just humble and just like incredible
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: people like who are sacrificing so much to just be
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: here for strangers and to do what they can, like
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: going twelve hour shifts without eating, without drinking, without like stopping,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: without pausing, um, you know, without taking off masks. Like
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: your masks are suffocating, Like they're really like difficult to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: breathe in, but you don't want to risk taking it
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: off because you don't want, you know, to risk you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: contracting something. But at the same time, it's like it's stifling,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: like for twelve or ten to twelve hours however many
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: hours that you're working, um, to just have this have
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: this gear on, whether you're wearing like a face mask
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: or you're wearing like a protective ice shield and you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: these covers over our scrubs and stuff like that. It's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: just it's really hot. It's it's it's a lot for anybody,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people who are doing it
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: without complaining and just showing up and doing what they can.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: UM for literally complete strangers like these patients that come
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in who are just the most vulnerable people UM in
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the city, especially like where I work, and I just
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just like in awe of them every single day. UM. Totally. Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I'm thanks for sharing all of that. Earlier, you were
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: talking about morale, and that was actually gonna be one
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of my questions for you. UM was like, how are you,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: like MJ, you know, taking care of yourself on the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: physical and spiritual level. But what it sounds like is
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you don't even have the time to decompress or to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: even do any of like these rituals of self care
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: that you may have done in the past. So do
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you feel like is that true? Like you do you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: really don't have the time to like do any type
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: of spiritual mental like emotional decompressed time or how is
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that for you? Um? So a lot of candles, a
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: lot of candles. I've been lighting a lot of candles
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and just like letting me a roma just like you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: still the air. UM. But seriously though, Like I'll go
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a couple of days without kind of thinking about it
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: because you're just kind of going, going, going, going going,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: And then when I get a day off, for like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: two days off, um, I really like decompress and try
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: try my best to have some sense of normalcy. Um.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Like the other day, I went and visited my mother, um,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and it was kind of it was kind of weird.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Like I walked in the house and she like sprayed
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: my shoes with bleach and like other stuff. And I
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: love her to death and I'm so glad she's like
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: protecting herself and stuff. But you know, it was it
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: was just so weird because it was just like, this
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: is what's happening, Like for the first time when I
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: left the hospital, Like I know what's happening in the hospital,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: but I went to go grocery shopping, and oh my god,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, is this what's been happening in the
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: outside world? Like this is crazy. Like I was in
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: line like texting my parents, like there's so many everyone's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: wearing masks and glove, but then they're touching their faces
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and also the part and also everything, I'm so confused,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: what's happening? Right now, and then like somebody got into
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a fight in line. I was standing in line and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: somebody was like getting into a fight over like their place,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and then this guy got upset about Derrito's. I was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: just like so confused, like what is happening in the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: rest of the world right now? And yeah, and so
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like I for that reason, I try to, like well,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and also like social distance distancing. I try to like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you know, say to myself as much as as much
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: as possible, but without like compromising my mental health. I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a very like social person. I like, you know, being
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: around other people and so like, at least for me,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: it's kind of been hard in that respect. Um especially
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: like New York. Like the thing to do in New
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: York is to go out and like you know, seeing
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: people and do things, and so like seeing the trains
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: empty and like seeing you know, the streets empty is
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: so surreal. It's so like post apocalyptic, you know, like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: our movie. Um So that's definitely straight Jay. As long
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: as I've known you, like you are so such a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: such social butterfly, Like you're always somewhere with somebody doing something,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like you're always on the move. They definitely can hear
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: how that's like a huge shift for you. Um, and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: it's hard, right because it's like this, we had a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: way of life and now we don't. We don't have
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: a way of life anymore, right, Like one of my
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: hot is to travel like rightm like gone, Like I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: have a two coming up that I've been waiting like
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: months for, Like I can't go anywhere right right right?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And do you live alone m J if you don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: mind me asking? Or do you have roommates? I do
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: live alone, I while my dog, but I do have
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: an apartment on my own. Yes, yeah, yes, I'm with
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I'm with Papa's here, and it's like being alone alone
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: like in quarantine is some other ship there's it's like
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: my dog and my cookie though, Like yeah, exactly. Um,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: do you have any like I've been asking some of
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: my friends, like are you like eating anything like special
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: like specific to like quarantine, Like do you have quarantine foods?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Like something new that like you're making, or something new
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: that you're trying, or just like a snack that you're
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: craving because you can't get it totally fair quarantine snacks?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've just generally just been more unhealthy
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. Um. Um. I think before
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like I was trying to do this, like you know,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I was trying like Keto for a while, and then
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: like I was switching all of like I'm a rice
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and beans girl, so I was switching all my rice
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to cauliflower rice, and like I was really trying to
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: make an effort, and then like so hard and it's
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: hardliflower rice does not taste like rice. It's like like cauliflower.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It's not right. Um. And that like, uh so at work,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: like people have been so kind, like like places in
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: New York have been donating like pizza and stuff like that,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: but like eating pizza all the time is also not good. Um.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: But as far as like quarantine snacks, I think I've
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: been getting by on like white teddar popcorn, um, eating
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: it in unhealthy amounts. Um. Yeah, I've been definitely consuming
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that more than I should. But at least it's not
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: like you know that unhealthy. Um. I think less so
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: the food. I think the quantity that I've been eating
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: has been a lot more than a normally eat um.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And so that's probably where I'm going wrong. Um. It's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: like it's like when we can't go anywhere. Um, eating
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: is something to do. It's hard to self regulate when
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you're indoors like all day. Yeah, I'm trying to like
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: increment my like eating breakfast, eating all my meals and
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: snacking in in shifts so that I'm like aware of
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: how often I'm doing it, you know. So it's like
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I have my breakfast hour, okay, so I can have
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: lunch at like one, and if I want to snack
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: in between, I can't, you know. So I'm like doing
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it that way to just try and be mindful of
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: what I'm consuming. Yeah, I'm kind of just like grazing,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: like I'm constantly. Yeah. I had a bag of popcorn
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and then I left in my room and it was
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like a family size like white cheddar popcorn. Right. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: go to work, I come back in the morning and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: my dog, I'm bin kidding, is like in the living
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: room with an empty bag of the popcorn and it's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: just like looking at me, and I was like, you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: ate it? Oh you jerk. It's like like what you
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: left me here? Do you have a You have a
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: male dog too, right? Yeah? I do. Yeah, we all
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: have male dogs and their energy is like no other,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Like we have a female dog at my house and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: we have two males, and that energy is a lot
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like male dog energy is its own thing and they
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: don't give a ship an issue. We don't care and
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: they're mad at you. M h No, he's a little sometimes,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: but I love him. It's my child helping to get
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: through like the stress. Is he providing some comfort some relief?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. Dog therapy is real, guys. Um, when
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: I was in med school, they would bring dogs to
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: our to the library and they would just like have
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you if you want, you can come and like pet them,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: and it was just like it's real. I don't know
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: if it's like some of mice and men, like they're
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: just super soft type thing, but like just them is
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: just like it's great, especially him, Like he'll like coming home,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: he'll like greet me at the door and be like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: like you said, like male dog energy is just like
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: next level, like oh my god, I'm to see you,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, nobody has been happy to see me
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: all day, so I'm so glad you are having to
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: see me. Like, um, So yeah, I know, it's definitely
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: been been great, especially since I'm trying to like limit
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: my contact with my family members as much as I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: can without like you know, alienating them, um, just because
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: like I know that I'm constantly like surrounded all the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: time and exposed, Like I just want to flatten, do
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: my best to flatten the curve, even though it's you know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: almost literally impossible for me. Yeah, and so I really
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: do I think like people, Um, I like I'm really trying,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: but I think that like people at home, like it's
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: really really hard for them to be home all day.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I had to be home on one day all day,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I would shoot
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: myself if I had to do this for some weeks.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But um, it really is like making a difference, like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: for us and they were just the department. We're trying
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to treat the disease. We're trying to treat the symptoms.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: But like preventative care is always, always, always, always more effective,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and by trying to flatten the curve and preventing the spread,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you're actually doing way more than we could imagine doing. Um.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of as like the tertiary care, like that primary
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: care is totally key, especially in infectious diseases, Like that's
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: how that's how you beat it, right, it's like having
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: less people exposed constantly until the way like a vaccine
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: or something that can you know, fight it and j
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: we have Like in my little corner of the universe,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of the news and the media and the
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: things that I'm seeing about COVID nineteen has to do
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: with celebrities and wealthy people who have many of them
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: have been asymptomatic, as they have shared themselves, some of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: them have had symptoms, but a lot of them have
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: gotten tested in ways that like the general public doesn't
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: seem to have access to what are you seeing? What
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: is the truth? Because I see so many celebrity stories
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: about COVID nineteen testing. What is the truth on the
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: ground that you're seeing in New York with regular ask
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: people and testing? Um, So, first of all, like I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: don't even know why celebrities are getting tested if you
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: don't have symptoms, Like what's the point? Like you're just
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: giving yourself anxiety even if the test comes back like
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: if positive, you're like, okay, now I have it. Now
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be anxious about it. And then if
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the test comes back negative, like the sensitivity of the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: test isn't so you could still be positive and just
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: have a negative test, right, So it doesn't actually confer
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: any like real confidence. UM. And at the end of
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the day, whether the test comes back positive or negative,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you should be quarantining and limiting your interactions with susceptible populations,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: including a lot of out really people. So it's like
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the way we say, it's like, it's not going to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: change your management. UM, it's not going to change what
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you should do. So I don't know why they are
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: doing this, like going out and getting tested. As far
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: as like the general population as an epidemiologist, like for me,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: it's important because then we can get an understanding of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the disease burden and the population. Like if we're testing people,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: we can understand how how many people are infected, how
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: often they're getting affected, what's the prevalence was the incidents UM,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: And that can help us going forward as far as
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: like research and stuff like that. UM. But as far
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: as like clinically, UM testing a patient doesn't really change
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: anything because clinically you can see whether a patient is
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: like COVID positive or not, especially in this time in
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: this population maybe in a few years or um in
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a few decades or something like, it might be helpful,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: but you can see they're presenting the theme their short
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of breath and or they have fevers. UM. There are
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: oxygen saturations are low. UM. We're seeing a lot of
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: people who are elderly, but we're seeing a lot of
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: people who are younger now, UM, like in their thirties
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and forties, especially people who are like obese or have
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: other like you know, pule morbidities UM, like the diseases
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier, like hypertension or a babes UM.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: So it's not really exactly changing how we UM do
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: anything right now. UM. Most of the time, we're just
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: testing people who are going to be admitted to the hospital. Otherwise,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: if they're going home, we're giving them instructions on how
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to self quarantine, just like any other person in the population. UM,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: and then just monitoring your self for fever and symptoms
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and if it gets worse, to come back to the hospital. UM.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: But I don't think clinically it makes a difference whether
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: you're positive or negative UM. As far as statistics and
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: population health, UH, in record keeping, it definitely does. UM.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: So I mean I'm kind of torn on that, except
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: for the part about celebrities, because that makes no sense,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: like they just want people to know, like, oh my god,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: feel bad for me. I'm staying at home all day,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Like okay, so we're the rest of us. Look, and
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this is my thing because my under standing is that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: like if I, for example, wanted to go get tested
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen, I'd have to get permission and like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: someone would have to allow me to do it. I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: couldn't just roll up and demand that I get tested.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Like there's a process, there are people involved, there's a chain.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: So our celebrities following that chain. Are they following a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: protocol that we're expected to follow or are they purchasing tests?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Like how are they getting them? How are they doing it?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I have no idea at first, Like we had such
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a limited amount of tests, like we're testing through specific channels. Um.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Then um a lot of like like Quest Diagnostics and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of laboratories had access to tests. So there
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: are ways of purchasing it if you have enough money.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I guess, um, regular regular regular people, UM, like myself
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and yourself. Nobody would test us in their mind, unless
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: we're showing symptoms or like as a health care worker,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: at least a few weeks ago. UM, in order to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: return to work, you know, you would have to be
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: like tested or um you know, UM just like cleared
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: by your occupational health. But UM, now, I think one
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: of the things that's being done is like people who
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: have tested positive UM and who are not showing symptoms anymore,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: are It's important because they're they're looking to like get
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: UM samples of their plasma if they can get like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: antibodies and stuff like that, UM, which I think is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: extremely helpful. UM. So unless like these celebrities are like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: donating their plasma and I doubt it, don't release the money.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Interesting now, and so m j Dr Murphy, not only
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: are you a bad bag and a doctor and just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: an all around amazing human being, UM, but you also
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you're a woman of color, your Haitian, and I can
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: imagine that you're probably connecting with patients and helping to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: relay information that maybe isn't being shared widely enough or
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  Speaker 1: with the communities that maybe needed the most. Right, Can
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  Speaker 1: you talk to me a little bit about like what
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: that experience has been like as far as like our communities,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you know, based on your observations getting the the information
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that they need. Is like the info, the public health
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: info getting out there in the way that it needs
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: to be good question mala um. Also also just like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: women of color first, always, always, every time, always support
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: them at all costs, always, every time, period, forever, forever. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like with any kind of of UM,
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  Speaker 1: well yeah, epidemic or pandemic, but with any kind of
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  Speaker 1: like medical information, right, things are getting miscommunicated, things are
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: not um um explained in the best way possible. And
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not always the provider, it's not
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: always the patient. Sometimes it's just like a breakdown and communication.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Especially since it's there's so much in the news and
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: there's so much misinformation on the Internet. I think we're
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: at a very special time where people are getting a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: lot of information from non clinical sources UM, so they
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: might get confused, which which can be a great tool,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it absolutely can. But when you're
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: quarantined in your home and your only access to any
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: information is like the internet, like um, it's hard, especially
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: since like a lot of these communities, like like you said,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: some of them like don't have like families don't have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: clinicians in their family, they don't have access to physicians
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: in their family or not just physicians, just like and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: P S or r N S or anyone p A
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: S in healthcare fields who have a good understanding of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: what's going on and are able to communicate that effectively. UM.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I think there's always the the issue of you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: language barriers, especially like in New York. It's like l A,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people who don't speak English.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: English is not their first language. Like, explaining something to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: somebody is hard enough, especially something that's like so scientific
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: UM is difficult enough in your native language, like you know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: trying to understand that UM in English, like UM so
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: on top of that, if you're trying to explain it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: to somebody who does not speak English. I think one
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: of the great things about New York is that we
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: understand where our population like level of knowledge is at,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and we do the best that we can to not
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: only like you know, overcome the UM langu uch barriers,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Like we have so much staff. Our staff speaks multiple languages,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: our doctors speak multiple languages, UM are like, and for
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: those languages that we don't speak, you know, we always
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: have access to sire compphones to try to bring UM
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: an interpreter, a translator, UM into the conversation so that
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: we ensure that what we're explaining gets explained correctly. UM.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: But then there's the additional barrier of just like clinical
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: knowledge and kind of understanding what that means, because even
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: just knowing terminology doesn't mean that you understand that, Oh,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: this means that if even if I, you know, if
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I call on somebody like that, could you know, transmit
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the disease or if I am you know, within six
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: feet of somebody like that can transmit the disease as
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: opposed to like touching them or like, you know, stuff
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it takes a lot to um for
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: any person, let alone somebody who is coming from a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: community that doesn't have access to the best best health
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: knowledge you know. UM. So absolutely, I think about the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: fact that, like all of a sudden, in the past
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: few weeks, there's like a new language that we're all speaking,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: and words like asymptomatic and self isolation and quarantine and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: bacteria like these words are in the our our consciousness
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: in a way that it wasn't before. And I feel
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of an expectation that everybody
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: knows what these words mean like one night to the next,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and people don't. And I think about the fact that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: there's really not health programs in schools, like there would
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: have been no prep at all for people to be
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: ready to protect themselves. Or it's just wild to me
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: just the way it all unravels. No, it's it's absolutely true.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Like on a daily basis, I'm still like explaining to people, like, so,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: this is a virus, right. I have patients that are like,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: oh that I'm like discharging. You are like, how come
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting antibiotics, And it's like, okay, Well, like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: antibiotics or for a bacterial infection, I think you have
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: a viral infection, they'd be very useless against the virus.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: So it's like, so unless I believe you have a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: bacterial infection on type of your viral infection, I don't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: think that that would be necessary. And so like just
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: even explaining very basic things like that for me as
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: somebody in the medical field, it's very basic for me
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: or you know, other people it's not that basic. That's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: not like something that comes intuitively to them. Or just
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like even like treating your fevers, like I'll have. I'll
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: explain to somebody like, oh, you can take like a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: seed of mena fin or something for your fever. Um,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: And then I'll have a patient come back and be like, oh, well,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I took talent all because I couldn't find like this,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: or I took I told them to take tile in all,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: and they'll come back and be like, oh, I took
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: a seat of menifen because I couldn't find any talle
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: at all. Like okay, Like that's my fault. I should
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: have explained that talent all and a seat a menifin
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: and the same thing. You know, just be very clear
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: about what you're saying, because if not, it can get
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: on a general basis just miscommunicated. Um. And assuming that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: somebody has a level of knowledge is very dangerous because
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: there you know, they may or may not understand what
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, especially when we we we have no
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: infrastructure in medicine or education to point to to suggest
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that we've prepared people to know what these things mean
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: or to know the difference between you know, a bacterial
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: infection and a virus. Right. UM, I think about how
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: like where would the information about things like adequate handwashing,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: coughing taking care of your genitals, like washing up. Where
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: is that? Where is that information shared? It would be
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: like in a health class or in a sex said class.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: And how many states actually have medically accurate, comprehensive health programs. Well,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: we we don't have a public health system in the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: United States, right, Like it's just always so funny because
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: like coming from a public health background, Like I have
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: so many friends from school like public health, like people
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: UM who you know, are totally invested in this and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: like this is their life, this is their career. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: like the United States just doesn't have a public health system,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Like we just don't. Like our public hospitals are safety
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: nut hospitals. We're seeing patients who just don't have insurance.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: We have people who fall through the cracks because we
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: allow the cracks to continue to exist UM. And you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that this epidemic or pandemic
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: is really you know highlighting UM is our just lack
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: of UM public knowledge and public health UM infrastructure. Because
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: if we had a semblance of a public health infrastructure
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: that was better than what we have, maybe we would
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: have been a little bit more prepared UM. Especially like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: in a place like New York. I feel like there's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: so many people here, UM, and we would have benefited
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: from having more of a structure in place, a fundage
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: structure in place that to protect people. UM. Like in England,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: like both of us studied in England. UM, they have
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: the National Health Service. Like it's not don't be wrong,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like it's not perfect, it's not, you know, the best system.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm not advocating for one system over the other
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and just stating a fact. They have a national health
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: system something that we don't have UM, and you you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: highlighted earlier, like for these communities of color, a lot
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: of people are uninsured. So even if they are short
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of breath, even if they've been short of breath for days, like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: they may not come to the hospital because of the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: cost of the ambulance, the cost of the you know,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: e er visit. Is it really that necessary that I go?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Is it really? And then they're waiting into the last
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: possible second because it's like Okay, now I absolutely can't breath,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, I have to get help for us.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. And it's like, you know, like for
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: the fear of the bills, the fear of the costs,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: and we shouldn't be creating an environment where people are
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: so terrified to go to the hospital that they're willing
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: to wait that long. Yeah. Yeah, and it's too The
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: other thing is I understand also people are hesitant to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: go to the hospital, the bills, the expense, not being insured,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: being undocumented, um, and just straight up not trusting it.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: There was a case the first what was first reported
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: as the first case of a minor in California dying
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: from COVID nineteen has now been uh that that death
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: has been removed from the death count. Like COVID nineteen
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: death count, it was first reported as a COVID death
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: has since been removed from the death count. This was
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: a teenage boy who was like super sick, super feverish.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: His parents took him to an urgent care center. Um.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: The boy didn't have insurance and so the urgent care
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: basically turned him away. And all the reporting it's been
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: described as the urgent care clinic turned him away because
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: he did not have insurance on his way to the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: e R because they recommended he go to the emergency room.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: On his way to the er, he went to cardiac
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: went into cardiac or rest um. Then they stabilized him
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and then he passed away in the emergency room, they
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: tested him and he tested positive for COVID nineteen, but
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that was after he had died, so at first they
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: reported it as a COVID death, but afterwards they say, actually,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: we think that maybe he actually died of sepsis. So
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: there's like in l A, this recent case I know
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: amongst people has caused a lot of like like fear
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and like distrust. It's also like, well do we even
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: know if the death count is accurate? Because how do
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: they decide what counts as a COVID nineteen death and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: what does not? Given this example, we just had right, No, absolutely,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: And it's one of those things as well, like if
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: we're not testing the population, how do I know that
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: the patient that I'm sending home who's stable right now,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: isn't gonna go home and die at home? Because if
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not testing them in the r before they go home, Um,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: how do I know that this is a test, Like
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: it's not a COVID positive patient. Um, because they might
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: not come back to my e er, they might not
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: die in the hospital, they might die at home, and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: then nobody's going to test UM. It's more if they
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: have no indication to you know, especially if nobody is
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: there like that. That's one of the things that I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: am really proud about my program because the residents and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: the attendings are very adamant about, like what's the social situation?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Like if I send them home where they're going to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: be safe? Is this an eighty nine year old lady
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: who lives alone and she's coming in because she felt
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: because she was short of breath. I obviously can't send
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: her home safely because I don't trust, you know, that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: she'd be able to be in a safe environment at home.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Versus is this a forty year old guy with like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: five people at home who'll be able to watch him
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: UM and indicate like whether he should come back or not. UM.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: That's like two different social situations, right, And I think
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: one of the important things that we have to think about,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: especially during this epidemic is social UM, people's social backgrounds
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: and socio economic status EES, because it's really driving like
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: whether people are seeking you know, treatment and seeking help
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: UM and when they're doing so. Yeah, mj Dr Murphy,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I know you have to go and work tonight and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: fight the good fight and you are so amazing and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you and it's just like so
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: exciting to see you from toughs undergrad uc L University
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: College London, rarefm to everything else you've done after that, Columbia, Harvard,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: all of it, UM and now working as a resident
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: physician in emergency medicine in New York City is at
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: the height of our experience with COVID nineteen, the pandemic.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And UM, I love you so much, Thank you so
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: much for coming on the podcast. I don't want to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: keep you because you are literally about to go scroll
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: up and like go work. UM any like last thing
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that you want to share with our listeners that you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: think folks should really know and keep in mind. UM today,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you for having me and for the listeners.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Wash your hands, stay safe and fact check everything you read. Okay,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: love it. Dr M J. Murphy, M D Bad Bitch.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you so much. UM. This has
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: been another episode of Look at Radio. This is our
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: special installment of Quarantine Confidential talking about all things COVID nineteen.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: We'll talk later. We also had to step out, UM,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: so we'll chat again soon. Bessie Thos,