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- 0:01Off the bench they go, and John Robertson's
- 0:04goal has brought glory again to Brian Clough,
- 0:07to Peter Taylor, and brilliant Nottingham Forest.
- 0:10Hello everyone and welcome to First Touch Weekly,
- 0:13the American home for the global game.
- 0:16We're glad you're here.
- 0:17I'm Susannah Fuller.
- 0:19Today we are talking about the good old
- 0:21days.
- 0:22About the days when a tiny club from
- 0:24the East Midlands conquered Europe, not once, but
- 0:28twice.
- 0:28That's right, we're talking Nottingham Forest in our
- 0:31new series, Forgotten Giants.
- 0:34But first, some news.
- 0:37The Ballon d'Or was awarded earlier this
- 0:39week, as some of the game's biggest stars
- 0:41took home impressive hardware.
- 0:44Harry Kane won the men's Ballon d'Or
- 0:46while Alexia Putellas won the top prize for
- 0:49the women, and Bukayo Saka won the Socrates
- 0:51Award for his global humanitarian work off the
- 0:54pitch.
- 0:54But the ceremony itself was far from smooth
- 0:58sailing.
- 0:59The event was delayed more than 45 minutes
- 1:01after London traffic and large crowds at the
- 1:04entrance slowed things down, while hosts Kate Scott
- 1:07and Thierry Henry had to oversee a rowdy
- 1:10and boisterous audience that got restless during the
- 1:13two and a half hour ceremony.
- 1:14Throw in the fact that the official results
- 1:16had accidentally been leaked online, and you have
- 1:20to think the event's organizers are eager to
- 1:23put this one in the past.
- 1:26It's a bad time to be a club
- 1:28from Manchester.
- 1:30Manchester City's unbeaten start to the season was
- 1:33snapped by Aston Villa this weekend, as Nicolas
- 1:36Jackson's two goals gave Villa a 2-1
- 1:38win.
- 1:39It was some sweet revenge for Jackson, who
- 1:41played under City manager Enzo Maresca at Chelsea,
- 1:44who often benched the Senegalese forward in favor
- 1:47of Liam Delap.
- 1:48But hey, even if you are City, you
- 1:50just took your first loss of the season
- 1:52on the chin.
- 1:53You've got a seismic amount of financial rule
- 1:55breaches hanging over your head.
- 1:57At least you're not Manchester United.
- 2:00The Red Devils fell 3-0 to Bournemouth
- 2:02over the weekend, plunging them down to 16th
- 2:05place in the Premier League with just one
- 2:07league win so far this season.
- 2:09That loss came after an embarrassing 3-0
- 2:12loss to plucky upstart Como in the Champions
- 2:15League.
- 2:16Sir Alex Ferguson's once great empire has shrunk
- 2:20to a mere shadow of itself, with captain
- 2:22Bruno Fernandes publicly criticizing manager Michael Carrick, who
- 2:26is currently living on borrowed time.
- 2:30Carrick's days at Old Trafford are numbered.
- 2:32But a match against Chelsea, who also suffered
- 2:35an embarrassing loss to Spurs over the weekend,
- 2:38might buy him a bit more time.
- 2:41Heading into last weekend's El Clasico between Barcelona
- 2:44and Real Madrid, Barca had the opportunity to
- 2:47make some history.
- 2:49They had won their first nine La Liga
- 2:51matches, and a win on Sunday would have
- 2:53broken Real Madrid's 1968-69 record for a
- 2:57best-ever start in the Spanish top flight.
- 3:00But two goals from Kylian Mbappe ensured that
- 3:02the record would stay untouched, as Los Blancos
- 3:05pulled within three points of Barca at the
- 3:07top of the table.
- 3:08Madrid had been on a bit of an
- 3:10El Clasico skid, having lost six of their
- 3:12last competitive matches against Barcelona.
- 3:14But some bold tactical changes from Jose Mourinho,
- 3:18including a switch to a 4-3-2
- 3:20-1, seemed to do the trick.
- 3:22Mourinho was his typical self after the win,
- 3:25telling reporters, I dedicate this victory to the
- 3:28Barcelona fans who didn't let me have my
- 3:30afternoon nap at the hotel today.
- 3:33They came to the hotel and kept singing
- 3:34all day, so I couldn't take my nap.
- 3:37Well, I didn't get my nap, but I
- 3:39beat their team.
- 3:41A big hug to them.
- 3:43Alright, let's go over to our story about
- 3:46those forgotten giants.
- 3:48Nottingham Forest.
- 3:54It's May 30th, 1979.
- 3:57Margaret Thatcher was elected as United Kingdom's first
- 4:01female prime minister a few weeks earlier.
- 4:04Ridley Scott's Alien was the number one movie
- 4:06at the box office.
- 4:08And Hot Stuff by Donna Summer was at
- 4:11the top of the music charts.
- 4:13Think about how far away that moment feels.
- 4:17How far back you need to reach back
- 4:19into the past to even get into touching
- 4:21distance to that time.
- 4:23Feels pretty far, right?
- 4:26That day, May 30th, 1979, was also the
- 4:30day that Nottingham Forest reached the summit of
- 4:33the footballing world.
- 4:35But it doesn't matter anymore.
- 4:37Nottingham Forest have done it.
- 4:39They scaled the peak of the European game
- 4:41from deep in the English Football Valley in
- 4:44one of the most remarkable rises to glory
- 4:47in history.
- 4:48Then they did it again, cementing their legacy
- 4:52as one of the last great football miracles.
- 4:55Off the bench they go, and John Robertson's
- 4:58goal has brought glory again to Brian Clough,
- 5:01to Peter Taylor, and brilliant Nottingham Forest.
- 5:05It might seem far away.
- 5:07As far away as those disco balls and
- 5:10bad dance moves.
- 5:12But for Nottingham Forest supporters, those days feel
- 5:15like yesterday.
- 5:16Not just those dreamy European nights, but that
- 5:20whole glorious chapter still looms large in their
- 5:24memory.
- 5:24To a neutral fan, or a person younger
- 5:27than, say, 50, Nottingham Forest have always had
- 5:31a mythic quality, a nostalgic sheen of past
- 5:35grandeur.
- 5:36Unlike a more consistently successful titan like Liverpool
- 5:39or Real Madrid, their success has felt secret,
- 5:44elusive, lost to time.
- 5:46It's Nottingham Forest, it's Nottingham Forest, let's sing!
- 5:53This is Forgotten Giants, Nottingham Forest.
- 6:03It's okay if you haven't given much thought
- 6:06to Nottingham Forest, the club.
- 6:07It's even more okay if you haven't given
- 6:09much thought to Nottingham at all, an East
- 6:12Midland city known for culture, history, and sport,
- 6:16two top-class football grounds, and the Trent
- 6:19Bridge Cricket Ground are all located within one
- 6:21square mile.
- 6:23Nottingham is probably most closely associated with a
- 6:27myth about a larger-than-life man known
- 6:30the world over whose accomplishments and antics have
- 6:34become legend.
- 6:37No, not Robin Hood, although he is a
- 6:40close second.
- 6:42I'm talking about Brian Clough, and our story
- 6:45of Nottingham's rise starts with Clough's arrival on
- 6:49a cold day in January of 1975.
- 6:52Please forgive me, this is not anybody imitating
- 6:55me.
- 6:56I have got a bit of a cold,
- 6:58and I do bloody talk like this all
- 7:01the time.
- 7:04That's Brian Clough, a manager who won with
- 7:07wit, charm, and bravado.
- 7:09He knew football was a form of entertainment,
- 7:12and he was all too willing to oblige.
- 7:15He was Mourinho before Mourinho.
- 7:17In fact, he even had a better nickname
- 7:19than the special one, Old Big Head.
- 7:22Clough joined Forest in January of 1975, when
- 7:25the club was languishing in 13th place in
- 7:28the second division.
- 7:29Up to this point, Forest had been a
- 7:31largely unheralded provincial club with deep historical roots,
- 7:35enjoying moderate success bouncing between the first and
- 7:38second divisions.
- 7:39It wasn't as if they had big ambitions,
- 7:41either.
- 7:42One of their own committee members had described
- 7:44them as the least progressive club in the
- 7:46country, and one of the club's previous managers,
- 7:50Dave Mackay, had warned Clough, you'll never achieve
- 7:54anything there.
- 7:55One newspaper described Clough's team as a mix
- 7:58of fresh and well-worn faces who ought
- 8:01to be slogging it out at the bottom
- 8:03of the table.
- 8:04But then Clough began to work his magic.
- 8:08He took a group of players, a mix
- 8:10of those who had been there from the
- 8:12start, like Ian Bowyer, Martin O'Neill, and
- 8:15John Robertson, along with some smart business like
- 8:18Kenny Burns and John McGovern, along with a
- 8:21few stars like Peter Shilton and Trevor Francis,
- 8:24and he made them a tremendous team.
- 8:27Clough took Kenny Burns, once thought to be
- 8:31a volatile hit-or-miss striker, and made
- 8:34him into one of the most feared defenders
- 8:36in Europe.
- 8:37He looked at John Robertson, and instead of
- 8:39seeing a pudgy average player, saw a lethal
- 8:43winger with immense natural talent.
- 8:46Clough managed to see the superpower inside each
- 8:49one of his players and brought it out,
- 8:51molding them into a powerful collective armed with
- 8:54confidence, certainty, and calmness.
- 8:57In 1977, Forest earned promotion back up to
- 9:01the First Division, and in their first season
- 9:03back up, won the whole thing.
- 9:06Best team in the land made virtually certain
- 9:08of a League Cup and Championship double when
- 9:10they played Queen's Park Rangers on Tuesday.
- 9:13Forest have never won the league before, and
- 9:15their decision this week to grant Brian Clough
- 9:17and his assistant Peter Taylor a testimonial match
- 9:20is a fitting tribute to a managerial partnership
- 9:22which has surely proved itself the best in
- 9:25the land.
- 9:26And they didn't just win the league.
- 9:28They did it in dominant fashion, stringing together
- 9:31a 42-match win streak that extended into
- 9:34the next season.
- 9:35Forest took over the top spot on October
- 9:374th of 1977, and kept it all the
- 9:41way until May.
- 9:42Not bad for a club that had been
- 9:44taking on Second Division basement dwellers just a
- 9:47few seasons before.
- 9:48This rise alone is enough to close the
- 9:51book and call it a fairy tale, but
- 9:52there was even more glory ahead.
- 9:55The next season?
- 9:56Although Forest finished second in the league, they
- 9:59made it all the way to the European
- 10:00Cup final, disposing of opponents like Liverpool and
- 10:04Köln along the way before knocking off Swedish
- 10:07club Malmö 1-0 to win the trophy.
- 10:10Robertson, the first time we've seen them attack
- 10:12them, and there's Francis!
- 10:14Well, that's what I've wanted to see Robertson
- 10:16do!
- 10:17The European Cup has come to Nottingham Forest.
- 10:22When Brian Clough joined Forest in January 1975,
- 10:27when they were 13th in the Second Division,
- 10:29he said it would take six years to
- 10:31produce a championship team.
- 10:32In fact, it's taken four years and five
- 10:35months for them to win the European Cup.
- 10:36Surely, surely that's enough.
- 10:40The fairy tale is complete, but no.
- 10:43Clough and his boys did it again the
- 10:45next season, when they faced Kevin Keegan's Hamburg
- 10:48in the 1980 European final.
- 10:50At the time, Keegan was the picture of
- 10:53a modern footballer.
- 10:54Perm, Ballon d'Ors, and all.
- 10:56And Hamburg was the image of tactical sophistication,
- 10:59ruthless conditioning, and cerebral preparation that was not
- 11:03found in the English game.
- 11:04It was Hamburg's engineering versus Clough's chemistry.
- 11:09Add in the fact that last year's European
- 11:11Cup hero, Trevor Francis, was injured, star goalkeeper
- 11:14Peter Shilton had a bum shoulder, and Forest's
- 11:17traveling squad only amounted to 15 players.
- 11:21And on paper, this should have been a
- 11:23straightforward, methodical dismantling by Hamburg.
- 11:26And it was for a while.
- 11:28For the opening stages, Hamburg dominated.
- 11:31Forest barely made it out of their own
- 11:33half.
- 11:34But then, during a lull, as play slowed
- 11:36down, John Robertson struck a low, skidding shot
- 11:40towards the far corner.
- 11:42A quiet, innocuous strike that changed everything.
- 12:00Hamburg's machine melted down as Clough's boys stayed
- 12:04steady and grinded out the 1-0 win.
- 12:32I've done it again against Hamburg when we
- 12:36weren't favorites, when all the odds were stacked
- 12:38against us.
- 12:39I've never been so involved in a match
- 12:41for a long time.
- 12:43From the second division to twice celebrating into
- 12:47the European night in just five years.
- 12:50Open top double-decker bus parades had become
- 12:52a yearly occurrence, not through the streets of
- 12:55Paris or London or Madrid, through Nottingham.
- 12:58The club, the city, and Clough had it
- 13:01all.
- 13:03But Forest would never reach such heights again.
- 13:07In the subsequent few seasons, they broke up
- 13:10the band, selling off key players from those
- 13:13league and European cup-winning squads to capitalize
- 13:15on player sale value, something Clough later admitted
- 13:19was a mistake.
- 13:22Forest's rise in the late 70s and early
- 13:2480s was a miracle.
- 13:27The opposite of a miracle is a disaster,
- 13:30and that's what followed for the next three
- 13:33decades.
- 13:35First as a slow motion slide, then a
- 13:38precipitous drop.
- 13:41Clough remained at the helm for another 12
- 13:43years after that second European cup, earning a
- 13:46handful of trophies during that time, but never
- 13:49reaching those same heights as those mercurial first
- 13:52few seasons.
- 13:53By 1993, Forest's form had slipped and Clough
- 13:57left the club just as they were relegated
- 13:59at the end of the inaugural Premier League
- 14:02season.
- 14:03They yo-yoed back and forth between the
- 14:05Premier League and the second division for much
- 14:07of the rest of the 90s, but in
- 14:091999, they slipped out of the Premier League
- 14:12again.
- 14:12Then the years started rolling.
- 14:15And rolling.
- 14:16And rolling.
- 14:18Instead of climbing back up towards the Premier
- 14:20League, Forest slipped further down in the wrong
- 14:24direction.
- 14:25They dipped down into League One, the third
- 14:28division, for three seasons.
- 14:30Dangerous territory for the once-proud club.
- 14:34For 23 years, Forest struggled in England's lower
- 14:39divisions.
- 14:40Failed.
- 14:41Forgotten.
- 14:42But as is the story of every once
- 14:44-great, now-struggling club, there comes a turning
- 14:48point.
- 14:49For Forest, that moment was in May of
- 14:512017, when Greek businessman Evangelos Marinakis took over
- 14:57the club.
- 14:57Marinakis also owned Olympiacos and brought ownership experience
- 15:01and ambitions for a second-great Nottingham Forest
- 15:05rise.
- 15:05Nottingham Forest is a special club with all
- 15:08this tradition and all these achievements.
- 15:10And of course, the potential that this club
- 15:12has to grow and achieve again victories that
- 15:20the whole region deserves.
- 15:23His investment paid off when Forest qualified for
- 15:26the promotion playoffs at the end of the
- 15:282021-22 season.
- 15:39It was a result that would have made
- 15:45Clough proud.
- 15:47There have been some bad days since.
- 15:50Almost as a karmic payment for having one
- 15:53of the world's best ever managers at the
- 15:55helm, Forest has been known for its managerial
- 15:57carousel and burned through several managers in their
- 16:00time back in the top flight.
- 16:02While each Premier League season has been a
- 16:04struggle, save for two years ago when they
- 16:06finished seventh, there's just something right about Forest
- 16:09remaining in the top flight.
- 16:11It feels like home.
- 16:16How do you define a legacy?
- 16:19Is it your best days or your worst?
- 16:22On its worst days, Nottingham Forest were a
- 16:24relic of a past era, floundering in the
- 16:27lower leagues, forgotten.
- 16:29But on its best days, Nottingham Forest represented
- 16:33something bigger than just their trophies and titles.
- 16:36They represented a time when something amazing could
- 16:38happen.
- 16:40When an unassuming club from the East Midlands
- 16:42could conquer Europe.
- 16:43When belief, charm, and instincts were enough to
- 16:46get you to the top before the gates
- 16:48of modern football slammed shut.
- 16:51The more football evolves into an elite, data
- 16:54-driven, and money-hungry machine, the further away
- 16:58those moments feel.
- 17:01But those days are still there, with that
- 17:04nostalgic, romantic glimmer on them, hazy in our
- 17:08memory, just out of reach.
- 17:31That's going to do it for this week.
- 17:33Thank you so much for listening.
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- 17:42We'll see you next time.