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The Late Debate | 26 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company on a brand new week
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  Speaker 2: of The Late Debate. I'm James McPherson with Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: and the wonderful, beautiful Tanika DeJoy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Did you like that intro, Caleb?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, James. I didn't get any.
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  Speaker 3: Great start to my week.
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  Speaker 4: No pleasantries for me.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing. You've got nil, nada, absolutely nothing at all.
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  Speaker 5: Some things go without saying.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hang on. So what you're saying is it has
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  Speaker 1: to be pointed out about Danica? Is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it must be, otherwise I will obviously speak to
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  Speaker 6: James privately after and say, why wasn't I introduced in
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  Speaker 6: such an esteemed manner to this show?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I know. Some of us need our ego stroked to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Keep things going.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway... You work in television, after all.
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  Speaker 2: That all escalated way quicker than I thought it would.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the show tonight. Greens leader
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  Speaker 2: David Shoebridge is booed by war veterans when he attempts
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  Speaker 2: an acknowledgement of country while protesting the government's sale of
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  Speaker 2: military land. There's fresh calls for a cap on election
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  Speaker 2: campaign spending, which sounds at first like a good idea,
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  Speaker 2: but would only serve to help the major parties maintain
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  Speaker 2: their duopoly. And the left's hatred of Sydney's Sweeney continues...
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  Speaker 2: Now the actress is being accused of sexualising children's characters
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  Speaker 2: in a provocative ad for lingerie.
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  Speaker 5: And yes, we will show you the ad shortly.
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  Speaker 2: But first, the biggest casualty of the horrific attack on
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  Speaker 2: independent MP Helen Haynes may yet be satire. The AFP commissioner,
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  Speaker 2: Chrissie Barrett, told the ABC yesterday there was a direct
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  Speaker 2: link between inflamed political rhetoric and increasing threats of violence.
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  Speaker 2: And when asked specifically whether One Nation's satirical cartoons were
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  Speaker 2: part of the problem, well, she did not hesitate.
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  Speaker 5: I've got to ask, do things like a cartoon that
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  Speaker 5: suggests someone should be hit by a car or something
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  Speaker 5: like that, does that have a direct link?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 7: We do see examples where there are particular announcements or
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  Speaker 7: things like you've just described.
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  Speaker 3: There is a reaction amongst the community.
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  Speaker 2: And cue the inevitable connection between two One Nation cartoons
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  Speaker 2: showing Pauline Hanson running over her political opponents in a
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  Speaker 2: bus and the attack on Helen Haynes. Here are the
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  Speaker 2: cartoons aired in 2023 and 2024.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 1: Lydia, get out of the way. No!
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  Speaker 3: All right, class, chat amongst yourselves. I'll sort this out.
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  Speaker 5: Right-o, you mob.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to the rum distillery. Yeah!
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Mich, how did you get Lydia to move out
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  Speaker 4: of the way?
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  Speaker 5: Who?
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  Speaker 3: Get in.
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  Speaker 5: So all of this raises a number of questions.
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  Speaker 2: Could there be a link between the One Nation cartoons
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  Speaker 2: and the horrific attack on Helen Haynes? And even if
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  Speaker 2: there isn't, is depicting violence against people, even as satire,
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  Speaker 2: something that should be banned? And who gets to decide
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  Speaker 2: what's funny as opposed to distasteful? And who gets to
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  Speaker 2: decide what's distasteful as opposed to illegal?
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  Speaker 5: Where do you want to start, Danika?
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  Speaker 3: Well, where do you start?
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  Speaker 6: Firstly, I would ask a couple of questions of Chrissy Barrett.
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  Speaker 6: Where was Chrissy Barrett when kids were roaming the streets
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  Speaker 6: in protest against Pauline Hanson calling for her very openly
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  Speaker 6: and very brazenly to be killed or saying that they
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  Speaker 6: would want to kill her. Where was Chrissy Barrett when
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  Speaker 6: Grace Tame was shouting, globalise the intifada? Where was Chrissy
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  Speaker 6: Barrett when there was very open hate of Australia or
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  Speaker 6: open hate towards Jews spewing out in the streets or
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  Speaker 6: on our national monuments?
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  Speaker 3: Where was the AFP commissioner then?
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  Speaker 6: It is very convenient that she's now gone onto the
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  Speaker 6: ABC without any actual evidence to say that there is
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  Speaker 6: somehow a link between One Nation and the rise.
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  Speaker 3: Of political violence.
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  Speaker 6: And what's bothered me about today is how we've had
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  Speaker 6: political parties jumping on this, saying, yes, absolutely, this has
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  Speaker 6: all got to do with Pauline Hanson, when really this
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  Speaker 6: is just their useful way to weaponise it and make
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  Speaker 6: politics out of it when they are worried about the
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  Speaker 6: rise of One Nation.
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  Speaker 3: So when One Nation's at the top.
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  Speaker 6: it's very easy to take pot shots and say, yes,
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  Speaker 6: it's absolutely all one nation's fault, you know, in the
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  Speaker 6: hope that the public will see it like this. It
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  Speaker 6: is very typical of the left. And I do really
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  Speaker 6: worry about how there isn't ever... a want to criticise
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  Speaker 6: the far left. And we've seen it with the Helen
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  Speaker 6: Haynes incident. But it's not just that. Look what happened
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  Speaker 6: with Anne Whittakin, for example, in the UK a couple
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  Speaker 6: of months ago. She was murdered by a person who
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  Speaker 6: was allegedly spurred on by extreme left-wing views.
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  Speaker 3: Look what's happening in France at the moment.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of these protests are being overrun by parties,
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  Speaker 6: including communists and the socialists left, but.
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  Speaker 3: We never hear about that.
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  Speaker 6: It's always the right that politicians are always very willing
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  Speaker 6: to talk about, even clearly the AFP commissioner.
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  Speaker 3: But what about the far left? Because I would actually
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  Speaker 3: say we've got a big.
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  Speaker 6: Big problem with the far left in this country, but
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  Speaker 6: no one wants to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think really what we're talking about here
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  Speaker 1: is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: two things can be true at once. There was an
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  Speaker 1: horrific attack on Helen Haynes last week. And yes, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: in general, the political temperature should be toned down. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, we should be able to accept
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  Speaker 1: as generally normal people across the country that things like
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  Speaker 1: that are obviously not contributing factors to these kinds of things. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you might suggest that people going on social media and
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  Speaker 1: putting out direct and earnest postings about people should be
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  Speaker 1: killed or have harm put upon them or whatever, that
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  Speaker 1: that may contribute to these kinds of events. But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's very hard to make any kind of causal
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  Speaker 1: link between satirical videos on the internet and the kinds
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  Speaker 1: of attacks that we saw last week. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: the same argument that people have made for a long
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  Speaker 1: time about violent video games. You know, sort of, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: kids play violent video games and therefore... kids become violent.
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  Speaker 1: But that has been well studied for a very long
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  Speaker 1: time and there is no scientific evidence that that is
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  Speaker 1: true at all, nor is there any scientific evidence that
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  Speaker 1: people go and watch horror films and then decide that
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  Speaker 1: they want to go out and murder people, right? It
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  Speaker 1: is a form of entertainment, but people understand that it
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  Speaker 1: is a non-real form of entertainment. It is very rare
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  Speaker 1: and there is no evidence that there is any link
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  Speaker 1: between that kind of thing and actual violence in the
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  Speaker 1: real world, and so I find it very troubling. that
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  Speaker 1: a police commissioner, the Commissioner of the Federal Police, would
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  Speaker 1: try and draw some kind of causal connection between satirical
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  Speaker 1: content and real-life attacks on people, because I suspect there
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  Speaker 1: is no evidence of that anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Well, specifically when they're talking about the One Nation cartoon, firstly,
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  Speaker 2: we still don't have a motive for the attack on
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  Speaker 2: Helen Haynes. Second, in this satirical cartoon, Helen Haynes was not...
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  Speaker 2: the person who was run over by the vehicle. And third,
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  Speaker 2: as I said in the introduction there, the satirical cartoons
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  Speaker 2: were broadcast or published two and three years before the
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  Speaker 2: attack on Helen Haynes.
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  Speaker 5: So to suggest any link.
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  Speaker 2: At all is pure speculation and fairly rubbery speculation at that.
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  Speaker 2: What about this argument, though? Because I've heard this one
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  Speaker 2: brought up numbers of times in the last couple of
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  Speaker 2: days that disturbed people. will be influenced by this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so we have things online that are satirical, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of disturbed people and this could trigger them.
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  Speaker 2: I have a real problem with that because if we
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  Speaker 2: go down that street, then we are going to become
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  Speaker 2: hostage to the most disturbed person in the country. And
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  Speaker 2: it's the disturbed people who are gonna have veto over
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  Speaker 2: everybody else's free speech. Things like context and intent, matter.
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  Speaker 2: And clearly the context of those cartoons is it's a joke.
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  Speaker 5: It's satirical.
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  Speaker 2: It's making a political point. It's entertainment. It's not prescriptive.
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  Speaker 2: It's not advice as to what you should do. And
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  Speaker 2: the fact that some nut job might watch that and
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  Speaker 2: be triggered to go out and do something is a
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  Speaker 2: terrible thing, but we can't be held hostage by.
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  Speaker 5: The nut jobs of society.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the thing is, I do think that words matter,
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  Speaker 6: but in very different contexts. So in this context, I
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  Speaker 6: agree with you. I don't think we can say it's
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  Speaker 6: going to take one nut job to watch a One
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  Speaker 6: Nation political satirical cartoon to go, oh, that is a
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  Speaker 6: call to arms that I need to take violent action.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas we look at what's happened in America.
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  Speaker 6: Over the last couple of years and You've had the Democrats,
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  Speaker 6: for example, who have been openly warning about how dangerous
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump is and how he is a threat to
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  Speaker 6: democracy and a threat to the West and that he
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  Speaker 6: must be immediately stopped.
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  Speaker 3: That is different because.
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  Speaker 6: Then some nutjob would see that and go, I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to be the one to stop him. So I do
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  Speaker 6: think actually words do matter, but it all depends really
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  Speaker 6: on the context.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing is I.
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  Speaker 6: Can't help but wonder if this is also another push
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  Speaker 6: towards for Labor's digital censorship bills because they don't want
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  Speaker 6: you to see this on the internet. They don't want
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  Speaker 6: any criticisms of themselves. So this is another way to say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 6: this is another way to shut One Nation down or
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  Speaker 6: anything or anyone that speaks ill of them or any
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  Speaker 6: of their policies.
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  Speaker 1: And they did bring up the digital duty of care
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  Speaker 1: bill was brought up by the Prime Minister in an
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  Speaker 1: interview last week and indirectly by others. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it would be a bit like suggesting that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because Clint Eastwood played a drug-dealing grandfather in The Mule
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  Speaker 1: that encouraged grandfathers to go out and become drug smugglers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, running drugs across the US-Mexico border. Like, it's fiction.
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  Speaker 3: It's fiction.
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  Speaker 1: We know it's fiction.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, remember The Three Stooges? Indeed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, have a look at this and tell me
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  Speaker 2: if this inspires you to go out and poke someone
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  Speaker 2: in the eye.
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  Speaker 7: There.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you.
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  Speaker 5: Oh!
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  Speaker 1: He broke it.
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  Speaker 3: He broke it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh!
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you've got a hangnail, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Hangnail, eh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't get it all, there's no.
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  Speaker 2: All satire that has any violence at all to be.
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  Speaker 5: You can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, look at the death of comedy.
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  Speaker 1: Can't believe it.
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  Speaker 6: Comedy has been targeted by the left. Satire is now
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  Speaker 6: under threat.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to have nothing left. What are we going
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  Speaker 3: to do to entertain ourselves?
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  Speaker 4: Can't believe it's not real life.
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  Speaker 1: Danika did mention before, though, that words matter and, of course,
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  Speaker 1: names matter as well. Now, there's something that's being debated
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  Speaker 1: this evening. at the Georges River Council in Sydney. That
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  Speaker 1: is namely whether or not, pardon the pun, namely, whether
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  Speaker 1: a swimming pool ought to be renamed. Now, currently, this
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  Speaker 1: swimming pool in Coggera in Sydney is called the Coggera
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  Speaker 1: War Memorial Olympic Swimming Pool. Now, it has existed for
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  Speaker 1: 60 years under this name. It's now being rebuilt, $ 61 million,
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  Speaker 1: $ 63 million, rather. The council is spending on a brand...
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  Speaker 1: What am I talking about tonight? Brand-spanking-new pool. I finally
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  Speaker 1: got it out. Currently, the Coggera War Memorial Olympic Pool.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe not any longer, because the council is now
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  Speaker 1: tonight debating whether or not to go to public consultation...
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  Speaker 1: on finding a new name now the loophole they say
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  Speaker 1: that they can use is because it's a brand new
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  Speaker 1: pool therefore it could be given a completely different name
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  Speaker 1: this is from the daily telegraph they say in a
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  Speaker 1: report to councillors officers declared the new aquatic center could
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  Speaker 1: be given a different name because the previous facility had
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  Speaker 1: reached the end of its life and ceased to exist
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  Speaker 1: therefore of course it's a new building under the naming
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  Speaker 1: policy alternatives could reflect Now, this is a place that has,
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  Speaker 1: for the last 60-odd years, been registered as an official
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  Speaker 1: war memorial in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 4: And now the council says.
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  Speaker 1: We should go to, or the staff do anyway, the
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  Speaker 1: councillors will be voting on it tonight, say we should
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  Speaker 1: go off and ask the public if they want to
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  Speaker 1: give it a new name because it is a new pool.
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  Speaker 4: It's utterly ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: The president of the RSL in New South Wales, Brigadier
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Williams, he says, I write on behalf of the
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  Speaker 1: RSL New South Wales, this is to the council, to
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  Speaker 1: express our deep disappointment and frankly our disgust at the
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  Speaker 1: prospect that the new aquatic facility being constructed at Cars
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  Speaker 1: Park would open without retaining the historic Coggera War Memorial
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  Speaker 1: Pool name. I mean, this is frankly pathetic. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: council's policy is that names should remain the same unless
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  Speaker 1: there is an extenuating reason for changing it. The extenuating
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  Speaker 1: circumstance here, allegedly, is that because they're building a new
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  Speaker 1: pool on exactly the same site, that it makes it
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  Speaker 1: a brand-new place entirely, and therefore... This officially registered war
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  Speaker 1: memorial can now be scrapped and, I don't know, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: given an Aboriginal name or something multicultural or whatever the
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  Speaker 1: good people of the Georges River Council deem it ought
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  Speaker 1: to be. I mean, this should not even be an
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  Speaker 1: issue in the first place. Seriously.
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  Speaker 2: My question for the council would be, what is lost
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  Speaker 2: by keeping the name as it's been since 1962, I think?
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  Speaker 2: And if the answer is, well, nothing's really lost by
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  Speaker 2: keeping the existing name, then why are you changing it?
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  Speaker 2: But I'd love to know what they think is wrong
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  Speaker 2: with the name, and I can well understand why veterans
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  Speaker 2: are upset, because as you pointed out, Caleb, it's not
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  Speaker 2: just the name of the pool, it's an official war
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  Speaker 2: memorial listed as such in New South Wales, and to
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  Speaker 2: just erase that and rename it according to an Indigenous
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  Speaker 2: name or.
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  Speaker 5: Gender diversity, for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 2: We'll probably end up with no war memorial pool and
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  Speaker 2: a rainbow aquatic centre or a pride aquatic centre and
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  Speaker 2: they'll think that's a fantastic move forward.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the question I have, what are councils good
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  Speaker 6: for right now, really? What are councils doing for you?
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  Speaker 6: What is your local council doing for you at home?
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, roads, rates and rubbish, rubbish namely being
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  Speaker 1: this garbage that they come up with.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, how are they serving the people right now
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  Speaker 6: when this is the main priority of them? Modernising and
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  Speaker 6: obviously upgrading any facility, fantastic. That is one thing. But
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  Speaker 6: trying to erase history is another. And this is one
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  Speaker 6: of very many, many examples we have seen of the
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  Speaker 6: left's slow, progressive move to erase our history.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, I just... Look, we've got.
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  Speaker 6: A big problem in this country right now because it
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  Speaker 6: is really... the left versus the right, and the left
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  Speaker 6: are slowly moving to erase everything that meant something to Australia,
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  Speaker 6: everything that makes our history what it is, and now
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  Speaker 6: they're going after war memorials, for goodness sake. War memorials
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  Speaker 6: are sacred for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: They are sacred.
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  Speaker 6: And what a slap in the face as well to
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  Speaker 6: veterans within that local council. What message are you sending them?
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  Speaker 6: You're basically saying, The council's not on your side. And
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  Speaker 6: this is why culture wars actually do really matter, because
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  Speaker 6: we are just seeing sheer brainwashing and our institutions aren't helping.
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  Speaker 2: The other part of this is that back when the
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  Speaker 2: pool was originally built and named as a war memorial,
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  Speaker 2: veterans stumped up a lot of the money to build
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  Speaker 2: the pool in the first place because they They understood
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  Speaker 2: this is not just a swimming pool. This will be
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  Speaker 2: a memorial in honour of those who have sacrificed their
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  Speaker 2: lives for our country. And at a time of fraying
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  Speaker 2: social cohesion, and everybody on the right and the left
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  Speaker 2: accepts that's what's happening, you would have thought memorials to
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  Speaker 2: Australians who have believed this country worth their own blood
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  Speaker 2: should be preserved, and not just preserved, they should be venerated.
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  Speaker 3: No, exactly. It's sheer stupidity, really.
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  Speaker 6: Now, look, speaking of sheer stupidity, let's talk about the
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  Speaker 6: Greens leader, David Shoebridge, who attended a rally at the
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  Speaker 6: weekend to save Victoria Barracks, which, of course, The federal
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: government is looking to sell off because Jim keeps spending
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  Speaker 6: your money. Now, the Greens leader got up on stage
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  Speaker 6: where he attempted to do what the Greens love to do,
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  Speaker 6: give an acknowledgement of country in front of a number
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  Speaker 6: of veterans in the audience. And, gee, they certainly let
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  Speaker 6: him know what they thought of that acknowledgement.
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  Speaker 3: The military history and acknowledge the military history. That's right
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm also going to acknowledge the deep history of
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  Speaker 1: this place and the Gadigal history of this place. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a fundamental thing. Now what I'm now going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about is what's in front of us here today.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen governments of all.
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  Speaker 3: Gee, read the room, David. Read the room, David. Let
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: me give you some advice. Don't do that again. Don't bother.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Not that he will because.
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: The Greens are obsessed with all this absolute nonsense, but
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: imagine standing there at a barracks giving an acknowledgement of
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: country in front of military veterans who have fought for
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: this country, put themselves on the line for this country,
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: and for them to basically be told.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, just a reminder, by the way, this
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: is stolen. This is stolen land.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: 60% of us said no to this division for a reason. 60%
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: of us voted no.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: To being divided by the colour of our skin.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Yet because we're Aussies, and I think we are very polite,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: we're a very courteous bunch, most of the time we
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: just sit there and we take it. We go to
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: footy matches, we sit, yeah, another acknowledgement, another welcome to country.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: You go to an event, you go to any sort
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: of function, acknowledgement, acknowledgement. But I say good on them.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Good on them for fighting back. Good on them for saying, no,
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: we're done with this nonsense.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stand up for David Shoebridge on this
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: one because I think he's the victim here, to be honest.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Are you ill?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: No, I just think, like, I feel sorry for him
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: because it can't be easy when you spend all your
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: time talking to pro-Palestine crowds and Like when you get
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: in front of people who aren't a pro-Palestine crowd, you
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: just don't know how to behave. And so it's not
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: his fault. He was just doing what he's used to doing.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: He found out pretty quickly, didn't he, what 90% of Australians,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: those who don't vote Greens, actually think and how they
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: actually feel.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: I agree with you. You should completely have read the room.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: The fact that he went there, though.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Right, tells you that this whole acknowledgement of country, this
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: whole we're standing on stolen ground, we've got to self-flagellate,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it's almost like.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: A religious liturgy. Like he felt.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So compelled to say, it never occurred to him, apparently,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to not say it. It never occurred to him that
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: maybe this isn't the time, maybe this isn't the event,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: maybe this is not the crowd. Never crossed his mind
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: that this would not be appropriate because for him, this
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: is clearly one of those things that you must say,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: no matter the occasion, no matter the circumstance, no matter
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: who is there, you must say it because it demonstrates
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: your moral purity and it demonstrates that you are a
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: good person. And I'm sure he fully expected everybody to...
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You know, golf clap along.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So gallantly.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, David, well done.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: There's other vision of that where it's got a close-up
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: of his face and you can see he's a little
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: bit thrown by the reaction.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: He wasn't expecting it. Hopefully next weekend.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: He'll be back in front of a pro-Palestine crowd where
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: he'll be much more comfortable and probably have a much
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: better reception.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I must say, I'm good on him for actually showing
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: up and fighting on the right side of this cause.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: But it just rather proves how pointless it all is, right?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It is done as a pro-former acknowledgement of country, I mean.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is done as a pro forma, well, you know, I've
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: got to tick the box, it's just something you have
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to do when you get.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Up and speak.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We've all heard it 100 times over. We don't need
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: to hear it again. We know perfectly well what it
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: sounds like. It's all rather meaningless. Just get on with
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the show. And as unedifying as it is to see
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: people boo at an event like that because they were
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: all there for a very noble cause, which is to
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: say Victoria Barracks, as I lose my earpiece out of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: my ear... So I can't be told by the producers
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to shut up. But, you know, they're there for a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: noble cause. It just doesn't need to be there. Just
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like it doesn't need to be in 99% of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: things where it is thrust. Just get on with the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: job and people will move on.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: You don't think they should have booed?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: No, look, I don't think booing generally is.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I don't like booing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: But people have had enough, Caleb. I mean, surely you
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: can understand why people do react.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: When did I say I didn't?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, like, I.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I understand. I know exactly why they booed.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I support why they booed.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: I absolutely think good on them because I think we
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: have to start speaking up about this.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And people are snapping. People have had enough of it.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it. I'm just saying I don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like seeing the booing, but I understand why they booed.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: It was the same as it happened on Anzac Day, right?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I didn't really like it. But
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I understand why people are booing, because it's overdone. It
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: just doesn't.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Need to be there.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: You're there to save Victoria Barracks. That's what you should
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: be talking about. Oh, we've got to acknowledge that it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Gadigal land as well. Adds nothing to it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Nothing at all.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Well, Sydney Sweeney is back in the news. Seems like
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: she's always in the news.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Remember last year, she got a lot of hate from
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: people when she did a TV commercial for American Eagle Jeans.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And they joked about how she had good genes and
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that was racist because she's white and blonde and apparently
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: white people's genes aren't any good and you can't boast
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: about them. And then in September this year, She did
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: an advertisement for a sports betting company and everybody got
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: very upset because female athletes were being apparently sexualised because
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: she looks quite attractive there, promoting sports betting. Well, now
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: she's in trouble again because she's launched or is advertising
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a brand of lingerie for Halloween and Christmas. And in
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: this commercial, she apes some children's movies, including Home Alone
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and and The Grinch, and she's been accused of sexualising
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: children's characters because the characters that she appears in briefly
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: in this advertisement were in real life 10 years or
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: younger when they filmed these programs. Take a look at
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the ad and see if you can see children being sexualised.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Now, Caleb said we might need to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: watch that a few more times.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: He's already.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: That's about his 70th go tonight.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Mate, I heard what you were saying before we came
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: on here, James. Don't pin it all on me.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But you might have seen at the start of the commercial,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: she's pretending to be Macaulay Culkin at the start of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Home Alone, eating ice cream, watching TV, and then she's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Cindy Lou Who from The Grinch. But at neither times
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: where she's Macaulay Culkin or Cindy... Lou, whose character is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: she wearing lingerie? It's later in the advertisement that she's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: wearing lingerie. I don't know why she's being accused of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: sexualising children's characters when she's not looking particularly sexy when
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: she appears in those characters.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Once again, it's because she's hot, she's young and she's white.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Had that been a black model advertising this, not one
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: person would have batted an eyelid, but because, once.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Again, it is Sydney Sweeney. And let me say, I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: reckon that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: She's going to sell so much of her own lingerie,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: just like she sold out American Eagle jeans, just like
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: all of the clicks when she did that gambling ad
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: which everybody got upset about. She knows exactly what she
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: is doing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: She looks great. Good on her.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: If you've got a body like that and you look
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: like that, I say all the power to her.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Keep doing it. It's not offensive. But did you see
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: some of the comments? Someone wrote this. Cindy Lou is
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a child. Come on.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Another.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Hey, so those are children.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: And the other, dressing up as a child character in lingerie.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: It's not what she was doing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: The left are the new Puritans, right? And it's all,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: everything that they... were marching about in the 60s and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: 70s and the free love era and all this sort
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And they've now basically turned around. And part
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of this was informed by the Me Too movement. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I think the pendulum probably swung too far. And I've
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: said this before, and certain people didn't like it very much.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So if you're watching again tonight, you can clip this
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: up and take it out of context again. But kind
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: of all of sex in some way got caught up
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in the Me Too movement. And so it's now as though,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to some people, expressions of sex and sexiness, i.e. a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: woman who's comfortable in her own body and is willing
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to use it to make money, is somehow giving in
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to men. Now, she's not giving in to men. She's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just making a shedload of money. And I'll tell you,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that ad, of course, many men may look at it
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and go, well, I think Sydney Sweeney is attractive, but
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: who's going to be wearing the lingerie? It's going to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: be women, not men. She is selling... Perhaps she is
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in part selling that product to men so they'll buy
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it for their partners, but she's also selling that product
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to women, right? It's not all about men. And she
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: has become a walking marketing machine because... Because she's a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: registered Republican as well, right?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Which upset people.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: So has that been proven, has she, that she's a registered.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: No, it came out a year ago or something, didn't it, right?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't think she goes
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: around talking about it all the time, but she was registered,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a registered Republican voter. And so people hate her for
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that too. So now every time she does anything, it
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: gets publicity. And it's like the Trump playbook. You know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you don't have to buy the advertising space. You just
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: have to make the ad and get people to talk
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: about it. And that's exactly what she's done. And it
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: works wonders every single time.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: It's the hypocrisy of the left, you know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Don't tell women what they can and can't wear, what
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: they should and should not be dressed in.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: And yet they're doing that to Sydney Sweeney, you know.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: my body, my choice, or you can't parade around like that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Not if you're Sydney Sweeney. My body, my choice, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: not if you're Sydney Sweeney.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And I always thought the left wanted to continually challenge
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: traditional morality.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So she challenges traditional morality and they're all upset because,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: as you said, they are.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: The new Puritans and a whole lot worse than the
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: old ones.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: You know, the MeToo movement has been so destructive on
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: so many levels, so many levels, not just towards men,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: which we've spoken about many times about how now this
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: perception that men are bad and that every man is
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: wrong or every man is dangerous. But also when it
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: comes to this, as Caleb mentioned, there is nothing wrong
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: with looking at an attractive woman like Sydney Sweeney who
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: is promoting lingerie and sitting here going, that woman is hot.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make, that's not misogynistic.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: That's not, you know, defining gender characters or gender roles.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: That's just literally just sitting here going, she's a good
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: looking woman. Cool, she's got a lingerie brand.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Good on her. Why not?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: It's a woman making a hell of a lot of
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: money is what it is, right?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: She's doing well.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: And good on her for doing it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: If I look like that, I may do too. But
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: if you are interested in my line of lingerie, you'll
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: find it at cblingerie.com.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Hey!
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Let's move from the US to the UK, shall we?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: You're going to go and look it up after this show,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: aren't you?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I might buy some.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Might buy some?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: As long as you've modelled it. Yeah, oh, absolutely.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to do some modelling for
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the website.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll come back to that after. Over in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the UK, we know that JK Rowling has now become
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: an object of derision, particularly amongst the transgender community, because
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: they don't like that the author, of course, of the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: wildly successful Harry Potter books has, in the last few years,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: decided to talk about women's rights, which is, of course,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: what we were just talking about. But there's a new
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter program coming out, and there was going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: be a Christmas light display. There's planned to be a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Christmas light display in London to promote some of this,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and it turns out the campaigners are saying, you can't
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: have that. This is direct from The Telegraph in the UK.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: They say that trans activists have launched a petition against
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter-themed Christmas lights because they will make JK Rowling
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: more money. The Oxford Street Christmas Lights will promote the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: release of the new Harry Potter TV series, which HBO
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is set to release on Christmas Day. However, the decision
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: has proved controversial with trans activists who have called for
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, to do something about it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: More than 10,000 people have sent emails to Lord Khan
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: asking him to pull the plug on transphobia.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: And cancel the themed lights. Oh, my God.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Can we just get over it? You know what? You're
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: allowed to have a problem with JK Rowling if you like.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: It's a free world.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But can we not separate the art from the artist
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and say that, you know, Harry Potter has brought a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: great deal of joy to many children and families, millions
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: across the world, billions probably, but we can't celebrate or
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: enjoy any of that because the woman who wrote it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: said some things that I don't like. Frankly, the world
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't revolve around you. Get the hell over it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I love? When the left goes after
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the left. I mean, Sadiq Khan has to be the.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Worst mayor, the most woke and weak mayor. And now
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: the left are targeting one of their own. And have
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: a look at this clip, actually. It's from the Good
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: Law Project, which is part putting together this campaign. to
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: get these Christmas lights taken down. And they've put this
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: clip on their Instagram of them constantly phoning up Sadiq
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Khan's office.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Watch this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: That doesn't fall under the nurse remit, so we don't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: decide on that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: OK?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: If you email us, we'll get back to you and
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: we'll confirm.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's the position that we don't have responsibility for.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: If you write in with any concerns that you have,
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: we'll get back to you. So we tried calling them
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: and they just told us to email them. So we've
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: already sent them 10,000 emails, but clearly.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: That's not enough.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: So if you're checking the caption, there's more info about
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: how you can email Sadiq Khan.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're literally harassing the bloke.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: They're literally harassing Sadiq because they want these lights to
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: be taken down.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That's how pathetic they are.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Do a compare and contrast, right? How much joy and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: happiness has JK Rowling brought to children through Harry Potter?
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: How much joy and happiness has the gender ideology movement
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: brought to children?
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Rhetorical question. Don't answer it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: You might get in trouble if you do. But I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: think we all know the answer. Here's another question. What
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: percentage of Londoners do you reckon are transgendered?
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Less than 1%.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the 2021 census, 0.9%. For England as a whole,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it's 0.5%. And yet here they are demanding a veto
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: on Christmas lights because they're going to be triggered because.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: The person responsible for the.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: And it's the whole leftist thing of inclusion, which is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: always about excluding anybody who doesn't agree with them.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: It's one of those language things.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: When they say inclusion, they mean exclusion of And when
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: they call J.K. Rowling anti-trans, well, what that really means
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: is she's pro-women.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: J.K.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Rowling is not anti-transgendered people. She doesn't hate trans people.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: She's just very much in favour of women having the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: rights to be women without men encroaching on their spaces.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: But they twist everything. And now they even want to
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: twist Christmas lights.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: You know, the reality is you've got groups like this
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: that are so obsessed with trying to tear down Harry
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Potter or tear down the entire legacy just because of
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: the trans ideology.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And it's actually not working. It's not working at all.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: A couple of weeks ago I was over in Oxford
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: in England and one of the tours I did actually
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: took us through some of the Harry Potter filming sites.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: And there were people dressed up in their Harry Potter
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: costumes to go through.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: These filming sites.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: So it's such a small percentage of the population that
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: try and make the most noise. And I actually do
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: not think it's having any impact because people still love
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: the novels. They love Harry Potter and they love what
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: has been written.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Let's say J.K. Rowling had views that we disagreed with.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I could still very easily enjoy Harry Potter... Of course...
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: without any thought for the political bent or bias or
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: persuasion of the person.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Who came up with Harry Potter.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You've got to assess everything by the bias or political
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: viewpoint of the person behind it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: It's why people can't drive Teslas, right? Because Elon Musk.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, we can't support a billionaire.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's either a good car or a bad car, regardless
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of the political views of the person who made it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Irrelevant.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have a clue what Henry Ford's political views are.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: And I never thought to ask.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: No, that's it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Imagine, like, every time, you know, I'm going to go
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: to the cinema this weekend.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I'd better check out the politics of the director. Right. But,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of course, it only ever really happens from the left
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to the right. You know, it's the same thing as
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, people were all up in arms
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: about Clint Eastwood when he did.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: What was the... Oh, I forget.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Gran Torino.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Not Gran Torino. The war one. Anyway, I forget the
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: name of it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Hacksaw Ridge?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: No.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Anyway, well, it doesn't matter.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: But, you know, it was, oh, Clint Eastwood, Clint Eastwood,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a right-winger and he's a Republican. It's like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: just enjoy the art. If you don't like it, don't
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: pay attention. Go away.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: All right, let's move on before we go to a break.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: Tasmanian Labor wants to cap election spending.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So Labor... has put forward this bill.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: And under it they want parties capped at $ 50, 000 per candidate,
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: independents at $ 60, 000, and lobby groups and third-party campaigners at $ 75, 000.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And they've even threatened.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: As part of this that people should face jail time
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: if they even overspend by a minor amount. The Tasmanian
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Labor leader, Josh Wiley, said that nobody should be able
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: to buy an election.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: He says politics should be about.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Ideas that will help Tasmanians, not who has the most money.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: We're going to the table a bill this week which
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: will help clean up politics in Tasmania, make elections about
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: a contest of ideas, not how deep your pockets are.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: Big corporations, lobby groups and very wealthy can pour as
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: much money as they like into elections to push their
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: agenda and influence votes. There are no guardrails, which I
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: find absolutely bizarre considering that Federal Labor or any, for
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: that matter, look, any party relies on such donations. But
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: since when did democracy become something that, you know, you
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: could spend too much money participating in? And I also
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: think it is a threat to political freedom because it
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: does also become harder for individuals or for independents to
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: be able to try and get their views across in
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: an election campaign.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Which I think is exactly why people from some of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the major parties don't want just unlimited spending.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: We're going to go to a break. When we come back,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: speaking politicians.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal leader Jess Wilson makes some of the best
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: comments I've heard about how we can bring down the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: political tension and rhetoric. That's front page of Tomorrow's Australian
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and we'll bring it to you after this. Well, Victorian
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Liberal leader Jess Wilson has entered the debate about how
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: we can bring the country back together, and Danica.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: That's front page... Sorry, Caleb, that's front page of Tomorrow's Australian.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: He's just confused about who's modelling the lingerie, it would seem.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I've been able to think of nothing else since you mentioned.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Your lingerie brand.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Mine's in the gutter. What's it called?
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Bonds Grundies or something.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always thought, surely it'd be like the easiest
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: deal of all time for me to do a deal
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: with Bonds Undies, right?
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Like, it's got my name on.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: It, for goodness sake.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: You've dreamt of that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: You've had thoughts of this, haven't you?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: It's like in Back to the Future where, you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: he wears the Calvin Klein jeans and his mum, when
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he goes back to the future, thinks his name is
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Calvin Klein. Sorry, the underwear, because he's got Calvin Klein written.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: On his underwear.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It disturbs me that you've actually really thought about this.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, look, you know, I'm anywhere you can make a buck,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I'm up for it. On the front of the... Within reason,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of course. On the front of the Australian Tomorrow... It says,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: crisis of truth, trust, not just temperature. Telling the truth
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and honouring promises are more important to rebuilding trust in
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: democracy than softening debate, Victoria's election front-runner Jess Wilson has
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: declared as Anthony Albanese flags a longer-term response to rising
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: anger and hate in Australia. The Liberal opposition leaders call
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: for a fundamental change in the standards of government follows
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: last week's attack on independent MP Helen Haynes outside her
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: electorate office.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Parliamentary business.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: was paused.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: On Monday to pay tribute to Dr Haynes, the member
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for the Victorian rural seat of Indi, who remains in
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a serious but stable condition after having both legs amputated. Now,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: she's written a column that will appear in tomorrow's Australian,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in part of which she talks about the fact that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: government needs to be better. She said it actually requires
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: changing how governments behave. The answer is not another public
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: relations campaign or a new set of political slogans. It
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: is a fundamental change.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: In the standards.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of government because a loss of trust has weakened our
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: belief in institutions that then help lead to things like this.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I think she raises a very good point.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's amazing how much damage was done to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: our country, I think, through COVID and not to say
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: there weren't pre-existing issues, but it's like COVID was an
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: accelerant on all of those things where people just lost
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: complete faith in all of our institutions and with quite
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: good reason, to be honest. But once a society is
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: lost face in its institutions, it's pretty hard to have
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a society. So Jess Wilson is absolutely right. It starts
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: with politicians being true to their word and being upfront
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: with voters and not playing them for mugs.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I was going to say it's spiralled ever since COVID.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: It started with COVID and then I think there's been
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: a deep satisfaction clearly with the Labor government and all
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: the lies that they have been spinning.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: And you're right.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: No wonder we're seeing the rise of minor parties. No
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: wonder we're seeing the rise of One Nation because they're Yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: government needs to do better. Major political parties should step
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: up to the plate.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And yet if you read tomorrow's Australians, you've got Australia,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: you've got Tanya Plebiscite talking about, you know, the evil
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: people in big tech who are, you know, not safeguarding
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: what's online, et cetera, et cetera. And I get that
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: social media is a problem, but, gee, I certainly don't
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: think it's the main culprit here. Again, I think social
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: media is an accelerant rather than the main problem.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's a factor, not the cause.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: All right. I think I've got the next paper, which
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: is why there was an awkward pause there.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I was just meditating on the profundity that was coming
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: forth from Danica DiGiorgio.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: He's still thinking about Caleb Bond's ad. Front page of
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: the Daily Telegraph. Lanyard Gentry reads the headline.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Bloated civil service dragging us down, says John Howard. John
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Howard has warned Australia's bloated public service is strangling productivity,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: with bureaucrats now earning more and enjoying richer conditions than
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: private sector workers. The former prime minister launched a blistering
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: attack on the expanding public sector, saying overpaid bureaucrats, runaway
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: government spending and weak reform are were dragging down the economy.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: He said public service growth absolutely needed to be reined in.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Our productivity is a result of us having run bad
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: economic policies, too much spending, too much taxation, too little
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: reform for too long. And he went on to say
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that the government had provided any incentives for the private
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: sector amid anemic economic growth in the last quarter.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Vote won, John Howard.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Pretty hard to argue with that, isn't it?
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: He's absolutely spot on. What more do you say? As
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: you would expect John Howard to be.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: It's funny when you compare John Howard with the lot
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: we've got running the country right now.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: It's just chalk and cheese, isn't it?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And when you consider that, you know, he left the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: country with basically zero debt and now we've got more
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: than a trillion dollars, which all works into it as well.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: And also a record number of people in the public
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: service as well, which clearly Labor doesn't want to slash
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: any time soon. Let's take a look at the Herald Sun.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Total power failure exclusive. Victoria faces critical gas supply shortfalls
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: within just three years as a leaked government briefing warns
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: of higher energy bills and power outages unless $ 65 billion
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: is invested into new infrastructure. The confidential briefing also states
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Victoria's electricity demand is growing faster than anticipated, putting more
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: pressure on a system already facing the closure of coal-fired
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: power stations. Well, I mean, look, we've known about this
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: East Coast gas shortage for a number of years, particularly
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: out in Victoria, that this has been a problem. And,
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: you know, from a federal level, you've had the likes
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: of Chris Bowen, who's been demonising gas for the past
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: few years, but then suddenly wants a gas reserve to
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: try and shore up gas onshore. Well, I mean, the
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: fact is we export so much of our own... that
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: we haven't looked after our own backyards and no wonder
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: we're in a crisis and Victoria is certainly facing the consequences.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: There is no gas shortage.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: We've got an abundance of gas, particularly in Victoria.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: They're just not allowed to access it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Who would believe that you bring millions of people from overseas,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: most of whom go to Victoria and New South Wales.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: And then you go.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, geez, there's more demand than anticipated on our power.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Shock.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Strange.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Also on the front page, violent patients ban, another exclusive.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Violent and abusive patients would be banned from Victorian hospitals
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: for up to a year under a Labor government plan
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: to protect nurses and midwives at work. Premier Ben Carroll
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: has vowed to expand the government's workplace protection order scheme
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: to also cover hospitals if Labor is re-elected on November 28. Well,
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: you know, again, this is not an issue that's just
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: cropped up overnight, surprise violent patients. This is an issue
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: that's been ongoing in Victoria, just like other violence, just
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: like other crime. And now at the 11th hour, it
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: seems like Labor's getting desperate.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Can you ban people from hospitals because they've been violent?
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't you prosecute them, deal with them according to their behaviour?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that you can say to someone, sorry,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you don't get any medical treatment for the next 12 months.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I reckon that would be headed straight for court. Because, yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I think there is an argument you could probably make
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: that depriving people of medical attention is some sort of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: breach of human rights.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It's another classic example of enforce the laws we have
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: rather than continually making all of these new laws. Just
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: do what you said you'd do 10, 20 years ago
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and half the problems we've now got will be solved.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Indeed, on the front of the Cairns Post tomorrow, they've
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: got Queensland feels less safe, according to a new poll.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Midterm pollers dealt a blow to State Premier David Crisafulli
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: with four in five Queenslanders saying that they do not
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: feel safer now than they did when Labor was in power.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Despite a sustained focus on crime and eight major changes
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to state laws since October 2024, only 18% of voters
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: said they felt safer in their community than two years ago.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: By contrast, 39% said they felt less safe and 43%
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: said they felt things were much the same. 39% saying
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: they feel less safe is not really a good indicator
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: of anything changing in Queensland.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Is it? When that was their big election pitch.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: That was a big promise.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Which, to be honest with you, does it say they've
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: done a bad job or does it say just how
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: bad things have been?
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: And how difficult it is once the gates have been opened.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Maybe how difficult, because I thought overall crime statistics had
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: dropped in Queensland.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I think so, but I think it's in line with
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: national trends. They're still some of the highest.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: In the country, I believe.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But clearly they're not getting on top of that in
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a way that is satisfying people.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Another story on the front of.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: The Cairns Post. Band set to stand for support dog.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And you can see the photograph of the pooch there
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: with Pat Fitzgerald.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Skipper.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Skipper, the Jack Russell. Cookshire Council is set to stand
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: firm on its decision to keep out an elderly widow's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: pint-sized emotional support dog from its buildings. A report tabled
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: for Tuesday's Ordinary Meeting recommends councillors back a ban on
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a Jack Russell terrier and note all animals must meet
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: entry conditions to avoid being excluded. The move comes after
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: 74 residents signed a petition calling for compassion for Pat Fitzgerald...
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: whose five-kilogram dog Skipper was banned from entering council facilities,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: including Cooktown Library. No library visits for Skipper.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Poor Skipper.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: The dog hasn't had certified behavioural training. And they're pointing
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: out that up in that part of northern Australia, it's
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: not that easy to get certified dog training.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: No, well, clearly not. Poor Skipper.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: But all of council will vote on Skipper's future. What
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: a time to be alive.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, Labor's child senator, Charlotte Walker,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: explains why she's flying economy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: You won't believe the reason. That's after this. Labor's South
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Australian child senator, Charlotte Walker.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: She's 22 years old, and you probably know her for
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: her TikTok videos, which is her primary contribution to the
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Australian political debate.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: She's copped a bit of heat lately because it was
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: revealed she'd spent.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: $ 148, 000 on taxpayer funded expenses in just the three months,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: April to June of this year.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: So she was interviewed by Channel 7 and they said,
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: is it true? You've been spending all this.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Money, but you're now flying in economy. And the good
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: news is it's true. But wait until you hear why.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: Someone told me you may have even stopped flying business
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: class and you're sort of sitting in cattle class now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Is that true?
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I fly economy. You know, there's not many planes
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: that go from LA to Canberra. So as in business class,
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: you know, we've got there's 12 senators. 10 in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: lower house, I think. So we're not all going to
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: fit in business. There's only nine business seats anyway. So
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: I'm not the only one that's not in business because
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: we don't all fit anyway. But it's a short fly.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I don't mind.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: And maybe even you get a bit of respect from
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: voters who see you sitting with them up the back.
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't mind sitting in economy. As in, before
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: I got elected to this job, I didn't really get
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: to fly on planes at all because we couldn't really afford.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: It growing up.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: So I definitely have an appreciation for it, that's for sure.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's in economy not to save the taxpayer any money.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: It's just that all these senators don't fit in business class.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So she's doing them a solid by sitting up the back.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Charlotte.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a representation of Australian politics, is it not?
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Well, it's the Labor Party in this country.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: The Labor Party, exactly. How tragic. That's an absolute shocker. Now,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: have a look at this.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: So this is one way to certainly make an exit
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: from a bottomless brunch. A woman found herself stuck behind
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: a restaurant booth in England.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: After trying to retrieve a friend's jacket.
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: No!
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, she was practically legless at that point.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I thought there was footage
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of Charlotte Walker being removed from economy class and having
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: too many sherbets on the way to Canberra. And I
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: couldn't blame her for indulging in a few sherbets on
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the way to Canberra, it has to be said.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Nor can I blame.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: These two patriotic South Australians for having a few sherbets.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Roger Oliver and his daughter Emma Shaw have now visited
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: 556 pubs across South Australia. They made it their mission
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to get to every single pub in South Australia that
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: they possibly can. They've nearly ticked off every single pub
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: in the whole state, 556 of them. They have, in
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: every single one of them, had a pint, that is
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: a South Australian pint, the schooner in New South Wales
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and elsewhere, of Cooper's Pale Ale. You know, I've been
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: on a few pub crawls and I don't know that
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I've ever managed to do 556 pubs, but.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Good on them.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: It's got to be some kind of record, but that's
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: a nice story. Father and daughter. Father and daughter bonding.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Session at the pub.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: And what a great way to see the state, because
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  Speaker 1: there would have been so many places that you'd otherwise
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  Speaker 1: never go.
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  Speaker 5: Are they really seeing the state?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they only have one pint in each pub.
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  Speaker 5: That's all we've got time for. Stick around. Coming up
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  Speaker 5: is the Rita Pennehy Show, hosted by James Morrow. We'll
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  Speaker 5: see you tomorrow.