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  Speaker 1: It's Monday, January four. This is jack Bars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans. And
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  Speaker 1: now the real reason anyone would want to work here.
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  Speaker 1: J P, thank you very much, and welcome to Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour for the final time on a Monday in
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. My name's j P. Shadrick, and
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  Speaker 1: we've got a show for you today. It is the
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  Speaker 1: final day that we'll have Tony Boselli and Pete Prisco
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  Speaker 1: together on this program, our final Monday program presented by
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  Speaker 1: Jet Home Loans. We'll get their thoughts on shot con
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  Speaker 1: Speaking with the media earlier today, Doug Brone fired this morning.
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  Speaker 1: The general manager and the head coach positions are now
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  Speaker 1: open for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Will go through each of
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  Speaker 1: those and what they have to offer and where they
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  Speaker 1: rank a round the National Football League. Social media questions
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  Speaker 1: came in hot and heavy today, and we'll go around
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  Speaker 1: the NFL and the NFL playoffs in fact that start
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  Speaker 1: next week. Let's start with today's news. The Jaguars, of course,
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  Speaker 1: yesterday lost in Weeks seventeen, the fifte consecutive loss to
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  Speaker 1: wrap up the regular season, and about Fourteen hours later,
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  Speaker 1: Jack's owner shot Kind announced the dismissal of head coach
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  Speaker 1: Doug Marone. In a statement, he thanked him for his
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  Speaker 1: grit and his work over the years here in four
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  Speaker 1: plus seasons with the Jacksonville Jaguars, but said it was
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  Speaker 1: time to make a full change on the football operations
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  Speaker 1: side of things. About an hour and a half after
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  Speaker 1: that announcement, today, Con spoke with the media on a
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  Speaker 1: video conference to chart the course for the future of
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  Speaker 1: the franchise, including the quarterback position, the GM and head
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  Speaker 1: coach searches, and much more. And he started with the
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  Speaker 1: float chart for the new hires moving ahead. A key
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  Speaker 1: thing how you know we would be structuring this is
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  Speaker 1: that I'm going to have the general manager and the
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  Speaker 1: head coach report directly to me. And that way, really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have the transparency and the needs and
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  Speaker 1: the concerns of both parties without really getting filtered or
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  Speaker 1: having a chain of command. So um. And that's really
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  Speaker 1: what necessitates that you basically hire them about the same time. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And really you have a perfect alignment, which you need
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  Speaker 1: in a winning organization. Shot Con earlier today the full
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  Speaker 1: visit on Jaguars dot com right now. We'll here a
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  Speaker 1: little more later in the show from the Jaguars owner
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  Speaker 1: and Tony was Sully and Pete Frisco join us now
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  Speaker 1: for reaction. Guys, good afternoon, Pete, Tony, Tony, what about
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  Speaker 1: JP saying this is the last time we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be together? Do you know something that we know about
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  Speaker 1: next year? Just the games? I think I think we're
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  Speaker 1: getting can I think he's making the decision this season.
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  Speaker 1: I think after the show, you and I are being
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  Speaker 1: called in, we think saying we appreciate your services and
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  Speaker 1: it was a great show, but we won't be seeing
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  Speaker 1: you guys back next year. So that might depend on
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  Speaker 1: who gets fired. But there's a lot of change in
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  Speaker 1: the air. I'll say that around here. Pete, well you
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  Speaker 1: how did you did he? Did you not hear that? Tony?
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  Speaker 1: He said this is the last show. Didn't you hear
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  Speaker 1: what you want to hear? Maybe you want to hear that, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Kid me, I can't wait to light up the new coach.
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  Speaker 1: Whoever heard it? Either way, let's get to the point.
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  Speaker 1: There is a new head coach opening as well around here,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of News Today. Jaguar's owner shot Con
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  Speaker 1: is not often on the record with things, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: he set the course moving ahead here Tony about how
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  Speaker 1: this church is going to go, at least for the Jaguars. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the most important thing he said to me,
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  Speaker 1: which I agree with a thousand percent, that we have
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  Speaker 1: to have alignment within the organization. And when I hear that,
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  Speaker 1: what it means to me is that you're a GM
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  Speaker 1: and your head coach have to be tied to hip.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a married couple. They're in it together. There
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  Speaker 1: needs to be a single message throughout the organization and
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  Speaker 1: those two individuals have to be on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: That's how every successful organization is created. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, that there's alignment, there's clear direction. This
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  Speaker 1: is who we are, this is the convictions we have,
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  Speaker 1: this is the philosophy to have. This is that we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna build the team. These are type of players we need.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the expectations, everyone's roles and responsibilities, and everyone's accountable
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  Speaker 1: to it. That is critical and I loved what he
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  Speaker 1: said there. Well, so is he also saying that it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been that way? M Yeah, I mean is that
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  Speaker 1: legitimate question. That means that they have a been on
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  Speaker 1: the same page. I mean, you heard a lot of
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  Speaker 1: rumblings out of there, you know for a long time
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  Speaker 1: that there was like I don't want to say dissension,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean I think you I mean Tom was
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  Speaker 1: let go last year, the two were retained. I mean, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: you heard it on a national level of the different
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  Speaker 1: things that maybe not there wasn't a complete alignment. You know.
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  Speaker 1: What was interesting too, is I think some of his
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  Speaker 1: comments got misconstrued, Like when they said he was going
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  Speaker 1: to take over control of the roster, that's not what
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  Speaker 1: he meant by that. He explained it again a little
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  Speaker 1: later to I know, but I saw that, but like
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  Speaker 1: Sean Khan's not gonna take control of the roster. That's
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  Speaker 1: not who he is. No, I think what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hear the whole thing and JP correctly wrong,
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  Speaker 1: But I think what he's basically saying is like he
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  Speaker 1: expects complete alignment within the organization, and if there's something
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  Speaker 1: that they can't you know, there is an alignment, or
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  Speaker 1: there's conflict or dissension on a person or a roster
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  Speaker 1: or what or whatever, that he'll get involved. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: basically said, yeah, there was the ultimate decision maker. You're
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  Speaker 1: looking at him when he was talking about the GM
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  Speaker 1: and head coach openings, and then later it was about
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  Speaker 1: that part about the roster. You know, there were apparently
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  Speaker 1: moments where maybe some things were not in in his
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of what happened with contracts in the past. So
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like everything is at least touch him before
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  Speaker 1: it's finally approved at the end. But it's not j
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  Speaker 1: He's not picking players on draft days Jerry Jones. He's
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  Speaker 1: becoming Jerry Jones. He will never be that. That's not
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  Speaker 1: who he wants to be. Finney a little bit this
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  Speaker 1: afternoon before he clarified his combat that's not that's far
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  Speaker 1: from what that is. I mean, Jerry Jones and Mr
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  Speaker 1: Connor totally different in that world. That's the way that
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  Speaker 1: would work. So a lot happening today. So we kind
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  Speaker 1: of saw the Doug thing coming though, Pete, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not really that was inevitable. That was that was
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  Speaker 1: when you can't lose fifteen straight games in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: in your fifth season and get the job. You just
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  Speaker 1: can't come back and said, look, whether any other coach
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  Speaker 1: would have won many more. That's debatable, that's something everybody
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  Speaker 1: could debate. Is this make Doug a bad coach? No?
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  Speaker 1: Is he a good coach? Who knows? But the reality is,
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  Speaker 1: you could nobody's winning with this group of players. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: in the league would have won with this group nobody
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  Speaker 1: And maybe you would have won one or two more maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but that's it. This is a bad football team right now,
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  Speaker 1: not good. So yeah, Maron's firing was inevitable, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And and Doug has always been a class act. He's
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  Speaker 1: been easy to deal with. He's he gets it. He
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  Speaker 1: understands the business of the NFL, and he knows that
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  Speaker 1: you lose fifteen straight games, you're going right, that's how
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna work. And I think he probably saw the
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  Speaker 1: riding on the wall as well, Tony. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: way life is you want. I mean, it's unfortunately the
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  Speaker 1: life of a coach too. I mean, I mean, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: I think I've heard many of times like the day
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  Speaker 1: you're hired as a coach is get ready because you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be fired at some point. I mean, very few
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  Speaker 1: coaches go out on their own term. It just doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen in professional sports in general, and especially in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: So don't understands. And I promise you now he might
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  Speaker 1: not like it. He might feel like he was dealt
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  Speaker 1: a bad hand this year with the way the roster
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  Speaker 1: was built and some of the player procurement and the
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  Speaker 1: salary cap issues that they had. Um but he said
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  Speaker 1: it right one and fifteen. It is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. No one likes it. But there were you know, five,
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  Speaker 1: there were six coaches fired this year. Every year at
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  Speaker 1: least ten, at least usually it's more. This year, it's
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  Speaker 1: almost twenty percent of the coaches get turned over. And
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  Speaker 1: so the bottom line is, you know, and I said
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  Speaker 1: this on a call earlier, you know, analytics are a
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  Speaker 1: huge part of the NFL to day and and they're
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  Speaker 1: important part. They're of all professional sports, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: and you can use them and they're productive, and they
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  Speaker 1: can give you direction on player procurement, they can give
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  Speaker 1: you direction on game management and situational football and all
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  Speaker 1: those things. It's great, But do you know the number
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  Speaker 1: one metric, which is basically what an analytics analytics are,
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  Speaker 1: it's wins and losses. That's how everyone is judged by
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, players, coaches and everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: When you're on a football team, and when you're one
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  Speaker 1: in fifteen, it's just not gonna end well. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the writing that all started when Dave Calls was
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  Speaker 1: fired because you know at that point there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a new GM in and whether now in this
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  Speaker 1: in this model, the GM and the head coach are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be aligned together, both reporting the shod. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: most CMS are gonna say, great, I love to come
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  Speaker 1: to Jackson. It's a great place. It's a great situation.
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  Speaker 1: Grant the draft number one overall pick. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to get a young quarterback, get sour cap room.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a state with no income taxes.
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  Speaker 1: You have an owner that's will you to invest and
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  Speaker 1: do what it takes to win UM. But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, most GM are gonna want to know UM
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  Speaker 1: that they're aligned with the coach and they're comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: that coach. And when you're going when you go one
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen, that's tough. But and here's the other thing, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: you talked about the temper cent. We can look at
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  Speaker 1: next year and say, if Zach Keller doesn't win in Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: he's gone. If Cliff Kingsbury doesn't win in Arizona, he's gone.
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  Speaker 1: If Brian Flores doesn't win in Miami, I mean it
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  Speaker 1: would be a little fast, but he might be gone.
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  Speaker 1: But like Doug Peterson, Doug Peterson, Maggie, Matt Maggie, I
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  Speaker 1: mean every year there's four or five guys that go
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  Speaker 1: into the season knowing they have to win or they're done.
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  Speaker 1: It's really Sangio, Vic Fangio, next year, Fangio another one
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  Speaker 1: and then based on now savon new GM coming in Denver,
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  Speaker 1: that could change everything. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a position, like you said, you get hired to get fired.
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  Speaker 1: And Doug knows. I mean, Doug's a realist, he's he's smart,
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  Speaker 1: he's been around, he knows the way, the way in
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  Speaker 1: the world. He knows he was he knew he was
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  Speaker 1: getting fired. So for the Jags, this will be the
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  Speaker 1: fourth head coach under the con ownership. Of course, Mike
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  Speaker 1: mclarkey one year, Gus Bradley came in in thirteen through sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: and then marone and now whoever is hired. There are
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  Speaker 1: obviously some names out there, but the prominent name linked
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  Speaker 1: to this gig. You know, you think about that four years,
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  Speaker 1: four coaches and ten years, is that right, that's what
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  Speaker 1: you said? This will be the fourth yes coming up? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: four coaches. Pittsford Steelers have had three coaches and like, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, it's not that I mean, And that's the
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  Speaker 1: type of stability you're looking for as an organization. Um
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's ultimately what John Colin Hall loved
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  Speaker 1: that is that kind of stability. This is a place
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  Speaker 1: where there's stability at the GM in at the coaching position,
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  Speaker 1: because that means you're consistently winning, you're competing for division titles,
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  Speaker 1: you're in the playoffs, you're making two cool runs. And
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  Speaker 1: that's only what you want to get to. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 1: and here's the other thing. If you can't win with
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  Speaker 1: what you have coming up in the next couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: then you don't. You're a bad coach, period, end of story. Bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just about bad coach, good coach, as you
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  Speaker 1: just laid down and so it's it's about you have
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  Speaker 1: a great opportunity because of the way things are aligned
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  Speaker 1: right now and the first pick Draft Capital teams are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be struggling. Some teams will be struggling to get
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  Speaker 1: under the cap, so there's probably gonna be some players
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  Speaker 1: out there that you can help build and make it quicker.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an overnight It's not like you're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: overnight and say everything's perfect next year. But to your point,
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  Speaker 1: you should do it right. But it's not just the coach.
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  Speaker 1: Is creating the right culture in the in the organization
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  Speaker 1: on the football side, and that is a big part
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  Speaker 1: of the coach, but it's also the GM. It's getting
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  Speaker 1: the right players, the right philosophy. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 1: number of things that need to happen in that building
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that you're a consistent winner. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're a good football coach and a good
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  Speaker 1: general manager, you should be winning. And I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: getting deep into the playoffs in the second year of
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  Speaker 1: your tenure period. So two years from now, pushed for
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  Speaker 1: the wild card. In the year after that, you pushed
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  Speaker 1: to be a deep playoff team because you have so
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  Speaker 1: much capital and so much money, and Tony, we've thrown
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  Speaker 1: the names out there who you can try and fix
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  Speaker 1: this thing with, and then you keep building on it
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  Speaker 1: and drafting the right guys and getting the right players,
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  Speaker 1: and you said that the culture matters. You have to
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  Speaker 1: you have to be able to build that thing where
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  Speaker 1: everybody comes to work and they want to work and
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  Speaker 1: they do the work and they're not knuckleheads. And if
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  Speaker 1: you do that and you draft the right players, you
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  Speaker 1: will win because you have that quarterback and the rest
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  Speaker 1: of those guys around them. I just believe that this
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  Speaker 1: is a great opportunity for the franchise to become relevant.
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  Speaker 1: It's never been relevant, Tony, and you played there, it
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  Speaker 1: was relevant, like, oh what a fun little story. Look
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  Speaker 1: how fast they got good. But it's never been long term, uh,
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  Speaker 1: sustainability and relevance, and that's what that franchise is missing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned you mentioned that you have the quarterback. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and I know we'll probably get to this later, j P.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to, you know, steal one of
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  Speaker 1: your segments. And I know you want to get to
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  Speaker 1: the big name out there and coaching, but be and
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  Speaker 1: I'll say that we'll just ease it because we love
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  Speaker 1: this conversation later. So you are on board with Trevor Laurence,
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  Speaker 1: not one thousand percent, Okay, we'll talk about that j
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  Speaker 1: go to the coach like that. We'll come back in
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  Speaker 1: a moment and get into some of the hot names
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  Speaker 1: around and linked with the Jaguars, including all this smoke
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  Speaker 1: about a former Ohio State, Florida, Utah bowling green head coach.
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  Speaker 1: know I've known Urban over the years, the big canon
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: what have you? And but jend not spoken to anyone
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: about this job or obviously the interview with Dum. I
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  Speaker 1: Black Monday, six firing. Six openings now in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: and not that many firings today. There were a couple
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  Speaker 1: of openings already. One of those now the Jacksonville Jaguars
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: after Doug Maron was relieved of his duties earlier today
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: after four seasons plus a couple of games. And the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: biggest name out there linked to the Jags is Urban Meyer,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: former Ohio State, Florida, Utah and Bowling Green head coach,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: current analyst on college football on Fox. On the pregame show, Pete,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke. Is there any fire? Well,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: there's fire, and look, Sean said, they haven't talked to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: him or interviewed him. He said, did you notice that?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: How he quickly put interviewed on there? Because they've spoken,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they've talked, they know each other. There's a link there. Uh,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: there's probably been a gauge of the interest there and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: whether Urban wants to come back, does he have the passion,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: does he have the health, does he have the drive?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Is the job a lot more attractive now than it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was about three weeks ago. I can tell you that,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and he knows that. So yeah, there's interest, and I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: think there's interest on both sides now. Whether he can
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: put a staff together, a good staff, whether he's got
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the drive and will to come back, that's to be determined.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: But sometimes if you pull out a check that's big enough,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: your drive and determination becomes a lot more than it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was about a month ago. That's for score. Yeah, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: mean I actually I'm gonna take shot at his word
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that they have not talked, you know about specifically coming
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and taking the job. Um. Now, could intermediaries have discussed this,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, with his agent or with other people, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: maybe some friendly conversations between Sean and Urban just hypotheticals, possibly,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But I don't think correct. There's no formal interview. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: get no, but I don't think there's been. I mean,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Sean basically said there's been no more, no formal discussions
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: with him being offered a job, or that the job
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: is his if he wants it, nonthing like that. But
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there's probably been a few lobs of the basketball to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: see if he wants to doug it or not by saying, hey,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: what if this happened, would you have any interest at all?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Down the road? Now we have a whole process to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: go through. But would you be interested in the in it?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: If it's that's the case, Yeah, I mean, I mean
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that's how these most of these things work with all
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and usually it's not with the individual directly. It could
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: be through as the agent or other people one and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: so their secondary conversations going on. Yeah, but normally you
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: don't know the guy. He knows the guy, so you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: think they've actually talked specifically. So they've talked and maybe
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: not specifically about what would it take to get you there?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: How long did your staff? What do you know? That
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, but they probably have said something along
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the lines, you know, down the road, if this thing
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: changes over, would you be interested in coming to Jacksonville?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And if he says no, then it doesn't get out.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But he didn't Probably didn't say no because I know
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: he's interested, he's interested in it. He'd be coolish not
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to be interested in it. And that's a and by
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the way, that's a compliment the shot that he would
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: be interested in it. You got a good owner who
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: willing to spend money, will spend the money, and you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: have a tonnet cap room and all that draft capital.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That's a compliment. I have a name like urban Meyer
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: linked to the team is a compliment to the organization.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: That a compliment to shodko Um. Yeah, I mean, I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: still think there's a lot of work to be done
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: on that. And you mentioned a couple of things. I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and we said it last week on the show. I mean,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt, no questioning that urban Meyer is a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: successful coach, head coach. Um. He's never been a coordinator before.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: He is a you know, he is a leader. He's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a CEO type of coach that is a great motivator,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a great organizer. He can put things together. He knows
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: what it looks like. So those are all super positive.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Now he's the only done at the college level, never
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: done in the NFL, and I think you just gotta
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions of you know, who the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: staff is gonna be, how would you put it together
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with your philosophy and all those different things, And then
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the big question is is this something that he really
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: wants to do? I mean, because it's hard to win
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean at Ohio State in Florida. I mean,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you have eight to ten wins booked when you wake
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: up before the season starts and you have better players
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: on your team then everyone else, the most of your opponents.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That's not the case in the NFL. Wake up with
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: zero wins. Go ask the Rams and the Browns who
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: played the Jets. Who Nobody in the world, not one
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: bookmaker Vegas. Nobody thought. Pete Presco didn't think it the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Browns or the Rams with blues to the Jets. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that's just that's the nature of the NFL. It's hard
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to win in the NFL. I mean, you had the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Jaguars had weeks what's the ball with five minutes left
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in the football game and a chance to take the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: lead against the playoff team. It's just hard. And if
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer want to go down that path. But not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: only that, it's hard to win in the NFL in
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: a week by week basis. But it's hard to win
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: when you can't recruit the best players. That's when you
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have to you have to have a whole player for
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Cuban strategy. What's your strategy like? Because okay, here I'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: give you a name I mentioned Matt Gampbell and and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and Matt rules another one. And people say, well, why
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: are they different when you look at them than maybe
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. And the reason that it's different is this
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer goes to Florida and he gets whatever the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: heck he wants in terms of players. Look at that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: team he had there. They were loaded with the NFL players.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Now some of them were probably loaded with other stuff
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: as well, but that's a whole another issue because he
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: remember that team was loaded at a lot of problems
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and there was a lot of issues, but he got
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the players there. He went to Ohio State, he got
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the players there. You look at Matt Campbell. He went
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to Iawa State, that was it was a doormat and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: he somehow has turned that team into a winner and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it's been a couple of years of being a winner.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That tells you he can coach. He can take what
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he gets and what he has and coach, Whereas when
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: you look at Urban maybe he can just recruit. You
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: don't know if he can coach, because it's a big difference. Tony,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you made the point. In the NFL, you're not getting
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the top guys in every position. Everybody's not a five
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: star you can't just line up seven five stars and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: say away we go. And that's the difference between a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: guy like Matt Rule, Matt Campbell, and Urban. My I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: say he can't do it. I'm just saying it's a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: lot easier when you when you do it the way
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: those guys do it. Mesh I. We pushed back on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you a little bit there because I'm not sure I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: agree Urban Meyer won a Bowling Green not getting the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: best players went to Utah. What was you taught before
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he got there? It wasn't a high price profile job
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: or anything else. Went undefeated when won a bowl game
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: against Alabama, true, and that, and and and again. Early
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in his career, that's who I think he was. But
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you know how guys get later in their career when
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they just kind He didn't forget how to coach beat
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he forgot what he learned. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I just think that it's a lot easier to reprove
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to those schools and win than it is to go
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to those I mean, yeah, he did a great job. Yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I was a big proposent. You could ask Frandi. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was before Frandie even knew who Herbert Meyer was. We
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: were on the show together back in the day, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I said, Herbert Mike would be a great hire for
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Florida anyone who he didn't even know who he was,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: and said, go watch him. He's a great job at
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you talk. And I thought, and I still think he
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: was a hag of a coach. All I'm saying is
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to win when you're recruiting than
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it is when you get to the NFL and everybody
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: has the level playing. Yeah, I guess my bigger issue
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not. That's definitely something you want to investigate and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: look into. I just look at the off the field
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: stuff from a standpoint of health, and is this something
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: he really wants to do? I mean, because he's to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the last two places he's bad. He left because of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: health issues and I don't know what they were, if
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: they're stress related or what, but I'll never forget. And
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it was scary when you watched him on the Ohio
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: State UH sideline at one time. It like basically pass
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: out or go down down to a knee or whatever happened.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And so the big question is is this something he
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: really wants to do and is he really you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of the stress in the work. I mean, he is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he ready to go from the cush Fox job that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: he has, which is a great job, and he does
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: an outstanding job on TV and everything else and making
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money. But you're working about ten hours
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: or thirty hours a week whatever it is now going
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: back and saying everyone's second guessing everything you're doing and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: putting the hundred hours a weekend and and just a grind.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It's a hard job. It's not an easy job. And
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the issues in the past. Yeah, And the other thing
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: is is he has never been an x as a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: nose guy, so he's got to hire good coaches underneath them.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: He's right, And you know you're right though you've we've
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: said this before that that position in the NFL and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: anywhere you just gotta be able to oversee everything. You
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: don't have to be an excess nose guy. You can.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: But if you hire the right people, you're okay. If
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you don't hire the right people underneath you, then that's
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a problem. And so that would be the key to me.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: If I was if I were going to talk to Herban,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'd say, okay, Urban, who's coming to be your offensive coordinator?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Who's coming to be your defensive coordinator because you're neither.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: He's neither one. Here's another question, because that's wanted to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: drive right to who what type of players you go get?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Are you? Are you gonna go get his own? Are
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you gonna go get an offensive cornator like believes what
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and does or McVeigh so your heavy zone play action
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: pass love the pocket, Well, then you better go get
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the right type of guys in the quarterback and everyone
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: can do that, or you're gonna be more of a dropback,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you know, gap skiing downhill run power type of situation.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I mean both work, By the way, there's not a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: right answer. It's no work. But you just gotta know
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: which one you're getting because you have to go get
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the right coaches, the right staff, and the right players
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to fit into that scheme. Or any of these guys
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: should do is get Trevor Lawrence when he drafts him,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and then he can sign Tebow and then on third
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: down he can put Tebow in a quarterback and out
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of here, of all people, of all people, Pete Prisco
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: bringing him up, he is there any other credis how
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about these other jobs that are open? Are any of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: those places closer to winnings than the Jaguars are. And
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: would a guy like urban Meyer consider one of those,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like the Chargers for example, Yeah, I think the Chargers.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, now, you don't have the same ownership that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that you do here in Jacksonville. I mean probably the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: willingness is spend the dollars that um I think shoans
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: wanting to spending free agency and everything else. But as
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: far as attractiveness, they do have cap space, they don't
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: have the draft capital that the Jaguars do. They have
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. They have the quarterback, they have the pass
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: rusher too, the most important pieces of any team, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: they should have Derwin James coming back in the back
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of our secondary to become that there, so you know
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that job. And if l an Tony, I mean, let's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: be real, there's a big deby. We we love Jacksonville,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: but there's a big difference between Jacksonville and l A. Yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know what the difference is of your income going
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: to the right, but you're also playing You're also playing
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in a brand new UH facility. That's it's not in
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: your stadium. You're the second tenant. It doesn't matter what
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: your stadium. It's just like the Giant Stadium that never
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was the Jet statu But are you not right now?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not. They can't change the charges. Are second fiddle
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in l A to the Ram. Correct, But the question
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: is with that quarterback, will they be for long? Maybe not? Well,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: then there you go. And it's just like, oh, who
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: everybody in the national media who wants to go to Jacksonville.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It's a top If they win, and Trevor Lawrence is
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: what you think he is, everybody will want to go there.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Like you said, no state income downs, there's the beaches,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it's a great town. It's you kid me. It would
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: be terrific if they win. It's all about winning, period.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's come back general manager talk when
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: we return, and a little later Lawrence or Fields. I'm
• 31:44
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• 31:47
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  Speaker 1: just about an hour and a half after that happened
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  Speaker 1: around ten thirty today. So now the GM and the
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  Speaker 1: head coach jobs are open. We've touched on the head
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  Speaker 1: coaching opportunity and a lot of the same ideas, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure Pete. In the GM world, we saw a lot
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  Speaker 1: of early names and then we didn't see many names
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  Speaker 1: last week or um. It felt like, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: were interviewing some of the people that were outside the building,
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  Speaker 1: outside the league at the moment, to get those at
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  Speaker 1: least done before they can go onto the list of
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  Speaker 1: people I'm sure they have that is in the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League, Pete. That's probably how this is working well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think it has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 1: if you hired somebody like Urban Meyer, you gotta hire
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  Speaker 1: somebody that he knows to work with them, and that's
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the way that's gonna go. If it's
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  Speaker 1: UM somebody else, you want them link together. And I've
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  Speaker 1: said there's a lot of times I think Ryan Cowden
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  Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith in Tennessee, Adam Peters and Robert Sala
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  Speaker 1: and San Francisco, you know, Eric b Enemy and Borganzi
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  Speaker 1: in you know, Kansas City. There's usually ties with these guys,
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  Speaker 1: and it makes a lot of sense to try and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: keep guys that know each other working together. It's clear
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Shot Khan was not happy with what was going on
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: between head coach in front office the last couple of years.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: There seems to be a major disconnect there. And if
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that's the case, he wants to bring him back in.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: It's better to have people that know each other and
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  Speaker 1: from going with each other. Yeah, I mean, I think.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the sense I get is that this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, more of a strong head coach model.
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  Speaker 1: And when I say that, not that the head coach
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: has final saying everything and and and let me start
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: by saying this. If who has finals say over the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: three man roster is ever an issue, then you have
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  Speaker 1: the wrong people. I agree. I mean, let's just get
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: there because everyone's like who has who cares? Because if
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you get the right people and they're aligned, you'll figure
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  Speaker 1: it out and you'll be the same. But the coach
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: should always have control over the game day roster hound
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: percent their coach and the guys, I mean, give me
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a break. Yes, no doubt about it. And so um
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and so I think with that said, I do believe
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  Speaker 1: that the head coach, whoever it is, was Urban or
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: one of these other fifty candidates out there. You know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the Robert Salis, their the enemies, the you know whoever
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Smith's you know, you know a Pat Fitzgerald up
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  Speaker 1: in Northwestern. You know, maybe why not call Lincoln Riley
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsinkahoma great offensive mind. I would too, um whoever that is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm not sure they're gonna pick the GM,
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  Speaker 1: but I think shod and and who everyone else in
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  Speaker 1: the process wants to make sure they're comfortable with the GM.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'll go back to when the forty niners, they
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  Speaker 1: were probably the first and the latest of teams have
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  Speaker 1: done this, and there's been others. The Browns there last
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  Speaker 1: year with Stefanski, when they hired Kyle Shanahan, they then
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  Speaker 1: went out and we're interviewing gms, and they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: make sure Kyle was comfortable with the GMS. And that's
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  Speaker 1: how was one of the reasons that John Lynch got
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  Speaker 1: the job. I mean, one, he's very capable, smart, good
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  Speaker 1: football guy, but all so because of the because that
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  Speaker 1: it's not like they had a deep relationship Title and John,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but they knew each other and Kyle was very comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with John being the GM because they're gonna be tied together.
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  Speaker 1: They both signed they when they signed their deals, they
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  Speaker 1: both signed I think five or six year deals, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was. Because the messages you guys are in this together,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you win together, you lose together. Were there complete alignment?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But I do think, um, and so I think what
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: John said, this is gonna be done simultaneously. I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the way I heard that kind of read, you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: kind of reading the tea leaves a little bit, is
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whoever's first? My guess is if I was guessing it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: gonna be the coach first, with a list of gms
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that shot bikes and kind of getting input like what
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: do you think about these guys? Um, do you know
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: these guys? Do you know any of these could you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: work with these guys? What do you think? And maybe
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: it goes as far as now I'm just I mean,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: we're all this is all conjecture, you know, once you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: hid the coach, Hey, you're our guy. Why don't you
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: come a conversation with these three guys? Were good with
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: any of these three guys, Let's see who you're comfortable with.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And that's the way it happened. And Tony, that's kind
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of the way it happened with Channahan. Channi was hired
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Terry McDonald Terry McDonough was going to get that job
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: at one point he was the second choice, and then
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think he was much more comfortable or Kyle was
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: more comfortable with Lynch and that's why he got the job.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Brandon Bean got the job in Buffalo. That's a perfect example. Now, McDermott, Well,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the UH in Cleveland, they hired Stefanskie first and then
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: UH Andrew Berry because stefanski was comfortable with it. They
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: got along, they saw the same they saw it the
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  Speaker 1: same way, and then they hired him as the gym.
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  Speaker 1: And so forget the timing because I don't know which
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: is gonna come first. And I'm not saying it even
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: matters as much. But the bomb line is, I think
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what Shaw saying is he wants to make sure those
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: two guys aren't together their alignment. Well, what what these
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: guys are all showing now is the old model of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: general manager gets hired and then he hires whoever that
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: he wants a coach is kind of passe a little bit. Now,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: It's not the way it is all the time anymore.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, I agree with you, Pete and I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: one of the I don't want to say dangerous, but
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: one of the downsides of that model is if you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: do that then and you've said it before on the show,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and because you're right, gms feel like they get two
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: cycles of coaches, and so I guess what if it's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: not working out with the first guy, it's easy to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: kind of throw him under the bus, fire him, and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: go get your next guy. Correct. You know what helps
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: is that this the new idea of thinking is also winning.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't winning, there wouldn't be the other teams
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: doing it the new way. Correct. Well, but but but teams,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I mean there's teams that win. I mean the the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers have had a GM forever and they've gone
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: through gms. I mean the right Tom and Kevin Colbert.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. It works both ways. But
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Tony's right. It makes it a lot easier to blow
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: them all out if you stink after three years. Because
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you look at Thomas Demetrov hired two coaches in Atlanta.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It Smitty and he had he had Dan Quinn and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: then he stayed, Smitty went, then they both went the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: second time and that's usually the way it is. You
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: get two coaches, but when you come in together, there's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be nobody to They're all gonna be playing, so
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: they're all get out And I like that better sad
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: because like you go first of all, the only way
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  Speaker 1: it works if the GM and the head coach are
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: on the same page, like any petty in fighting about
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: this guy. And the worst thing you can have again,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is where you have the personnel guys,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the GM and scout is trying to be coaches and saying, oh,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: we got you good, guys, you're not coaching him, right,
• 43:43
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• 43:46
  Speaker 1: You guys got this the wrong guy. When everyone has
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: buy in on the process and everyone's on the same page,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, human nature is like, hey, we're in this together,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: let's figure it out together. And the other thing about
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that model is and it's manager high in the coach
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and they are working the well together and it's working
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: for a while, everything's fine, but when it starts unraveling,
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  Speaker 1: they start throwing nine. There's a night in his back
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• 44:14
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  Speaker 1: first time, guys, we have all been together on a
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  Speaker 1: program since the All State Sugar Bowl the other night.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Trevor Lawrence for Clemson. Justin fields through six touchdown
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  Speaker 1: passes for Ohio State in that game and showed a
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  Speaker 1: lot of grit, taking a massive hit on his side
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  Speaker 1: and staying in the game, coming back in probably getting
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: shot up, and and then playing through some things and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: really put together a big performance. You said earlier, you're
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: still on Trevor Lawrence one thousand percent. But what did
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Fields do for you the other night in New Orleans? Well,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I like what I saw was this toughness. I mean,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the kid came back and played and he and he
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: stood in there and he made throws. But I'm gonna
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: look at it from a more practical standpoint. Clemson can't
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: rush the passer. He stood back there at all day.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And on the other side, Clemson's offensive line can't protect
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the passer. Trevor Lawrence got beat up good in that
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: game too. I don't know why they run him so much.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is he threw for four dred
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: yards and you would have thought he was twelve of
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: fifty bird eighty the way people were talking. He's the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: clear cut number one pick. And by the way, I'm
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: not sure sure Zack Wilson is not going to go
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: ahead of of Justin Fields and give Fields credit. He
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: did a really nice job. But if you to put
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: those two on different teams, on each of the other teams,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it would have been Lawrence that would have had the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: big day, the monster day, and not Field. So and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: here's the other thing, everybody's putting into one game, putting
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: all video. Look at Fields, he had two really bad games.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: He wasn't good in a big Den championship game, and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: he was horrible against Indiana, two of the better teams
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: he played this year. So, um, we'll see this week.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Next week when he plays Alabama on Monday night, we'll
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: see what he can do. I'm sure that defense thinks too.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: You'll probably light them up as well. But he's not
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, and for anybody to try and make the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: claim that he is is ridiculous. And Jaguard Van's got
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: their wish. He isn't playing another game. That could happen
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: one and done. I mean that's the best case scenario.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, so here's the thing. There's no doubt that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields had a better game. I mean he looked
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: like the better quarterback on the field for that one night. Um,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and Twitter went crazy. He's saying, oh, there's a question,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you know, And I thought, Pete, you bouncing back and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: forth against people. Um, it's one game. You go back
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: in pizza, you look at the two previous games before
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that Field was not very good at all, And I
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: think you have to look at the total body of work. UM,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and I think clearly, in my opinion, and I don't
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: want to watch a lot more film on them that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: right now, Trevor Lawrence is clearly the number is the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: guy above Justin Field and the pizzas point on Zach Wilson.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: There's a I've heard in multiple places now multiple people
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: are hiring Zach Wilson then then Justin Fields as well. So, UM,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of work that needs to be done.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: And I think as you approach this process, whoever had
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: coaches and whoever the GM is, you really have to
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: discipline yourself to go in with an open mind and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: basically starting all of them at ground zero and go
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: let the film go, Let the combine go, let the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: interviews go, Let the personal workout days determine who you
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: feel like it is the best quarterback. UM. I do
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: think it's dangerous going in and saying, well, Trevor Lawrence
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: is the guy, you know, he's our guy. I don't
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: think you can do that. I think you really have
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to have the discipline to start from ground zero on
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: this process with the quarterback. Well, I'll do it. He's
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the guy because if he's if he's been the guy
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: for three years already. Then how is one or two
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: games going to change that. It's not. You're missing my point, JP.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying any games. I'm not saying that the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: game changed anything for how I feel about Trevor Lawrence.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: My point is they're gonna play a national title game.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Justin fields is Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence are done
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: right at the end of it. Now the job of
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the GM and the personnel department and probably the coach
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: because this big decision. You need to go start watching
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: tape of all these guys, and you need to go
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: watch as many games as you can get your hands on,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and you need to be prepped and going in. And
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: then you go into the combine and you need to
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: have your list of questions and what you want to do,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: and you need to sit down with each of them
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and get them on the board, and then you need
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to go watch and throw. Now, they probably none of
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: them will probably throw at the combines, that's fine, But
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna go have their pro day and you
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: need to go sit there and watch how they perform there,
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  Speaker 1: My point is you have to start from uh a
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  Speaker 1: level of playing field for all of them. When you
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  Speaker 1: start this process at zero and then you judge the
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  Speaker 1: level playing field, the level playing fields and played out
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  Speaker 1: over three games at eight level over three seasons, it's
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  Speaker 1: you're missing the point. I'm not I understand you're saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's go and you put Lawrence on the board
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  Speaker 1: and um, and he's good on the board. But you
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  Speaker 1: friends or star you know what I mean. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying all. I'm not saying all the metrics are weighted evenly.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously the way take right now, what would possibly do
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  Speaker 1: other than the fact that he was arrested or had
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  Speaker 1: the drug problem, what would deter you from taking him?
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  Speaker 1: Based on what I know, I've not watched one tape
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  Speaker 1: of Zack Wilson. I've never seen him play. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: him play on TV and stuff. No, I haven't. I
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  Speaker 1: watched this year. This year. I'm not he's tricky, but
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  Speaker 1: there's no competition between the two of them. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a mistake. It's no different what the Colts did when.
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  Speaker 1: on late that one year. He had no doubt about it,
• 54:46
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  Speaker 1: But Ryan Leaf came out hot, and I remember hearing
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  Speaker 1: interviews with Bill Point. He went into the process and
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  Speaker 1: did the work and went through everything. At the end
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  Speaker 1: Ryan leave. By the way, he won't ever admit that,
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  Speaker 1: but he was. I know that he was. But again,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about two guys that ended up being very
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  Speaker 1: close with This process is almost over in terms of
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  Speaker 1: if Justin Fields goes and throws for five fifty next
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is the better player put on the entire
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• 55:34
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  Speaker 1: separately moving ahead. The process of finding out who those
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  Speaker 1: two will be is certainly already underway. Big newsday today,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: of course, head coach Doug Yes, sorry, but doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: sound like he feels like he was left out of
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Doug marone like it was the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: After four seasons plus two games, they lost fifteen straight
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  Speaker 1: to lose to the longest losing streak and franchise history,
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  Speaker 1: and finished one in fifteen this year. So both jobs
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: are open now. General manager and head coach. And there
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: are some more names being linked and being requested as
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: reported as requested by the Jaguars coming out. Robert Salo
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: was one of those just moments ago that we saw
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: pop up as a name that could be linked to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars head coaching opening that they wanted permission to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: speak with. Arthur Smith, and Tennessee another one of those pete.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: So we're seeing more and more of these names. It's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: expected on a day like today when Mr con today
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: said that they were about to put that list in
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: uh this morning of requests, and those are two guys
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: they should talk to. Those are two very good football coaches.
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  Speaker 1: And I said that we know Robert Sali, he was around.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: It's a good coach, he's got the past, he thought
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I did a great job this year. And I think
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  Speaker 1: he'd be a heck of a head coach. Arthur Smith,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I've called around the people and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: checked on him and everybody I trusted this league for
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: a long time vouch for him. Highly works his butt off, smart,
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  Speaker 1: relates to the players, understands what it takes. I think
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  Speaker 1: he would be another guy. I think both sla and
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Smith are legitimate candidates along with Eric b enemy Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know I would talk to I would talk to
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  Speaker 1: Brian Dable. If you have a young quarterback coming in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: who's going to be a big, powerful thrower of the football,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: why not go talk to Brian Dable. Look what he
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: did with Josh and Allen. Look at that offense. They're
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: playing the best football of anybody in the league right now.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: And that guy is this entire game? How long has been?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: What is it now? Three became with a Dermott, he
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: came with and so is it? Is it success? There?
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  Speaker 1: Is it devil? I mean? Or is it Josh Allen
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the quarterback coach and when he's doing on his own
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: as well outside the building and also to all of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. And let's not forget they added
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: two key pieces this year with Stefon Diggs and Cole Beasley,
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  Speaker 1: but they all well Beasley was there last year. But
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  Speaker 1: they also they also do this though, don't you They
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: They dictate tempo and I think that's where Dable gets.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not a good coach, Pete. I'm
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: just saying I always I worry about just going after
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  Speaker 1: the hot coordinator, because being a good coordinator does not
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: mean you're a good head coach. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: Stable at all. I don't either. I would interview him,
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm with you there, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Schmidt. I would interview him because he's I've heard
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: good things about him as well. And I and and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I know is the head coach, Mike Grabel. And you're
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: a Mike Grabel stat You're a football guy. There's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about that. UM. I do know Robert sol I
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  Speaker 1: think he'll be a great head coach. I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I think he has to make up to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I would interview him. UM. I would also probably interview
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  Speaker 1: Eric the enemy he's come from one that he's been
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: under Andy Reid. A lot of the Andy Reids have had,
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  Speaker 1: guys have had success in the NFL. He's one of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the better head coaches. He's and he's a grooms guys
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and mentors guys, and I think in a pretty interesting
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: way because they have had success other places and a
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  Speaker 1: dynamic offensive mind. And so I had interview Eric Bamy
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  Speaker 1: as well. UM, And I you know, I like, I
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  Speaker 1: think you should have interview Erwin Meyer, I would probably
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna go to college, Rinks, I would take
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: up the phone and see from Lincoln. Riley is interested
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: because I think he's a really good young head coach,
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  Speaker 1: offensive minded and had success. There's drawbacks of getting a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: college guy because he doesn't know the NFL game, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know that maybe the right staff to get together and
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  Speaker 1: everything else. So there are downside risk of that too.
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  Speaker 1: Um but those are all good names to go look
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: into it. But you know what, Tony, A lot of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: these young coaches that get jobs the first time, they
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: don't get the right staff. You look at Zach Taylor,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: he's already happened to make changes on his staff. You
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  Speaker 1: look at he's being forced to make those changes. You
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: look at what John mcveiye did. He went to a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and then he fired Wade Phillips and brought
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  Speaker 1: in in both the new offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: special teams coordinator. So sometimes young coaches don't get the
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  Speaker 1: staff that they need to have right away, a large
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: part because they can't and because they don't know yet.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: And I think that's important to learn too. So if
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about a college coach Yeah, he's not gonna
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: have NFL guys, but he's familiar with it. He might
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: have to make a change after a couple of years.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: But again, if you get the right guy, it all
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: like the Rams have the right guy and Sean McVeigh.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: It took they went to the super Bowl, but it
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: took him to realize that maybe he can only get
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: so far with Wade Phillips. I thought it was a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: crazy move, but look at their defense now. It's been
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: really good with that new defensive coordinator. So I think
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: it makes sense sometimes to go get the right head coach.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I talked to Lincoln Riley. I'd call Matt Campbell, I'd
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: call Pat Fitzgerald. I'd call all those guys and talk
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  Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I don't think earth at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is the time to do it. I mean this
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: is and shot said it today. There's they're gonna cast
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: cast the wide net and do all their due diligence
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: they can and make sure they have the right guys
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: in here. So you know what I would do to JP. Yeah,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I'd bring them all in and I picked the hell
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: out of their brains. And then once I didn't hire,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: how about this, we got this from that during our interview.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: There's some good ideas here. I'd want to hear everything
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  Speaker 1: that they had to tell me. If you know, when
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a coach comes when a coach comes in for an interview,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: he should have pull out his envelope and have his
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: entire three coaching staffs already there. This is who I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: would hire, is my coordinator. If I can't get him,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: here's number two. If I can't get him, here's number three.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Same with it all the way down, every position down.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know what if you while you're doing
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: your interviews and he say, hey, everybody had this wide
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: receiver coach, why don't we go get him? When you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: get the guy who's hired. So, I think you can
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: learn and and glean information off of those interviews as well.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody will have a plan, right, everybody should have. I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: would keep I would by the way, I would put
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: if I'm shot, con in that building, because that staff
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: is getting blown out too. Let's not forget. I would
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: consider Joe D. Camillis to stay around as my special
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: teams coach, and I would consider keeping Keenan. I think
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I think both those guys are good enough that they
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: could warrant being on somebody else's staff. All the assistance
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: are still on then deals right now, But the new
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: head coach will make that decision. Yes, I get it,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: but I would I would try and if I'm a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: new coach coming in. I think Keenan has done a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: good job with the wide receivers. I think that Jodi
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Camillis has been a long time successful special teams coach
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: in this league. No, I think I think Joe d
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: is one of the best questions could I mean, go
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: look at around the league. I mean the way they
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: perform and what he gets out of his guys. I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: think he's one of the best coordinators in all football. Uh.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: And I do think Keith has done a good job.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: You know, ob me some piots with Kenny is a
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: former teammate, think kylie him. So um, I do think
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he's done a good job of that group. Alright, g
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: M interviews go ahead, Pete. Sorry, you know, by the way,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I loved it after the game yesterday Kean and talking
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: to Philip Rivers former teammates, he's pretty amazing. How many
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: many years is he have left? Did you watch that
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: game yesterday? Yeah, that's throw in the middle of the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: field that wingered picked off. Oh my god, but he
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: just had some of his bulls and he does not
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: get much zip on that ball anymore, does not the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: deep out, he doesn't. But he's smart enough to know
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: where to go with it. Hell, he can still make plays.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: They struggled yesterday. Man. Yeah, it also helps when you
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: run for two d seventy yards, that does help. That
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: creates makes it a much easier game. But with all
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: those yards, I mean it was game with five minutes left.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: It's almost like they went they went dormant for you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: know how sometimes you get a big lead, you go dormant.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: They went dormant, and they looked up and they go, oh,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: don't you think. I don't know what happened. But they
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: struggled the whole second half. They couldn't move the ball,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything. I mean, they got the big
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: playout of Jonathan Taylor to make a four team, but
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: outside of that, they did nothing. Do you uh? This
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: is what I saw that a PFF put their all
• 1:09:14
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• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of James Robinson, but he ended up with more yards. Yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: more yards for what would you take oho, that's close.
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  Speaker 1: That looked like the Taylor was good yesterday. He's been
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  Speaker 1: But all time in the NFL, there were what thirteen
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  Speaker 1: If Pete and Tony will put in charge of the
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  Speaker 1: GM head coach search, what qualifications are most important to
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  Speaker 1: you in deciding who you want for each position? Best
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  Speaker 1: new year? Hm, Tony so um so as a head coach?
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  Speaker 1: What so? Just one? It's hard to say one quality
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  Speaker 1: for qualification because I think it narrows it like you
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: could say, oh, you have to have head coaching experience
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: in the past. Well, that doesn't always guarantee that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: success in the future. There's been plenty. Uh. If that
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: was the RAMS plotsophy, you wouldn't have got Sean McVeigh.
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  Speaker 1: Who is that you know is one of the better
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: young head coaches in all four Matt Lao or Sean McDermott.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, so um, I think you have to So
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  Speaker 1: if you're talking about qualifications. I'm not sure is it
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  Speaker 1: personality type, is it stal Is there anything? Because there's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of styles that have that have won in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: the NFL and different philosophies, and so it's if I'm
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: looking at I think you've got to have a feel
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  Speaker 1: that and it's hard for me to really quantify what
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  Speaker 1: the one quality is. But I think leadership for both
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: positions are the most important to me. Can you lead
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: an organization? Can you lead a team? And what does
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: that mean? So then you have to start diving into
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: what are the characteristics that you want out of these individuals.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's around, um. You know,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you want to make sure you got somebody who has
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: some integrity meeting what they say and what they believe
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: is played out in their overall lives and how they
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: treat people and everything else. I think that's critical. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think they have to be able to command respect.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: They go into a room and you and you all
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: and we all know these people. I mean you've all
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: seen him. When the individuals walk in the room, they
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  Speaker 1: they just there's something about them that you say, this
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: guy or this gal is a leader and people are
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: gonna follow them. I think you know, you want to understand. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I do think one of the qualities of the head coach,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure they have to have a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: clear plan on the offensive side of the ball of
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: how they're going to develop the quarterback and what does
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: that look like and what is their philosophy around that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's also critical. But you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: just if it's just one quality or one qualification, I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: don't think there was a qualification because, um, if you
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: look at like UM scouts, they've been successful at organizations
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  Speaker 1: and we're really good. I mean, I'm I don't wanna
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: take a shot at Dave Carbo, but Dave Carlbo was
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: at Atlanta and they had a lot of success. He
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: worked on BILLI Polian, who's as a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: GM and it didn't work out. There's a qualification of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: being around somebody or on around somebody grades who's done it,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: or a great organization. Is that a qualification that makes sense?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. It's a leadership to me is
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  Speaker 1: the number one qualification you have to hire a leader
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  Speaker 1: because if you look at both of these roles, the
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  Speaker 1: head coach is more about just xs and os and
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  Speaker 1: That's why I think urban Meyer is a real good
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  Speaker 1: is a candidate you can take seriously because it's not
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: just about um xs and os and being able to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: draw on the board. If you're a head coach, now
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: as a coordinator to be able to better be able
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  Speaker 1: to do that, but the head coach, you'd better be
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  Speaker 1: able to lead an organization. You're better be able to
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  Speaker 1: manage people, you better be able to organize them, you
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  Speaker 1: better be able to get them on the same page
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  Speaker 1: going in the same direction. UM and the same with
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  Speaker 1: the GM, because there's just because you're a good a
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  Speaker 1: scout and good uh identifying personnel or evaluating personnel, that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're gonna be a good GM. We've seen
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  Speaker 1: countless scouts to a very successful where they were and
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  Speaker 1: just fail miserably as GM. Why is it because they
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  Speaker 1: don't have the leadership to lead a team or an organization.
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  Speaker 1: And that is critical. That's the difference in any business
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: where the difference between an individual contributor who is outstanding
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: at what they do, whether it's the sales or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always translate to be the best manager or leader
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  Speaker 1: of a team because they don't have those those qualities
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  Speaker 1: I agree, and I put it in the different terms
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: than leadership. I'll put it in terms of if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hire a coach, he's got to be able
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  Speaker 1: to come into a room and take grown men and
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  Speaker 1: treat them as grown men, but also be able to
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  Speaker 1: instill discipline and a work ethic. And that's the fine line.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen many a coach, the guy I know well
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: in your building came in there and they go too
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: far at first, and then it can become fractured and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: frayed and you have to kind of pull it back together.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the toughest challenge for any coach in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, is to be able to come in and
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: instill discipline, because you don't you don't want to have problems,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: So you instill the discipline, the work ethic, and yet
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: you still get the treat them like grown men. And
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: that's a hard fine line to straddle. And Tony, you've
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  Speaker 1: been around it. You know, tom that thing was coming
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: on glued there early in his career there in Jacksonville.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: It was coming on glued in in New York. But
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: he was smart enough to kind of pull it back in.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: If you could start that way and get in there.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Same thing. By the way, Brian Flores in Miami, early
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: in his tenure in Miami, that's was coming on glued
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. It was being it was, you know,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: but he brought it back in. Ideally, you got to
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  Speaker 1: be able to treat grown men as men and yet
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: still instill discipline and a work ethic. Show up, do
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: your damn job, do it the best your ability, stay
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: out of trouble, and I will treat you with respects well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think one of the things, especially with today's players,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's always been like this. I think it's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: call of humanity has been like this, but today's players,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: especially with this generation, you have to be able to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: build a relationship with players. Because if you don't have
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: a relationship with your players and they don't believe you
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: care about them, then they don't care about what you say,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and that is critical. And so that's all about relationships.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: So you better have a leader who has the ability
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: to understand today's player, which is about relationship. The pizza,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: It's about respect, giving respect, receiving respect. It's about instilling
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: au a set of standards and keeping everyone accountable to that.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: But the way to do that you have to be
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: a relationships because people care much less about what you say,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: much more about what you do and how you make
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: them feel and what and so that is so important.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: And I think you've seen it here. We've seen players,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: top end players that they lost because they didn't want
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: to be here anymore. And I think a lot of
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: that is about relationship and all those relationships. To maintain
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: those relationships because you'll get more out of your players.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: And I mean, this is the day is no longer
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: here where you can just dictate the players do this
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: or else and nitpicky stupid rules that have no bearing
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: on whether you're win or lose. That that stuff is
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: outdated and our kay, but the rule that will never
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: die no matter who the coaches is, show up, be
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: on time, do your damn work, and stay the hell
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: out of trouble. That's the most important thing. Come. If
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: you come into my building, and Tony used to get
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: there what six o'clock to start today? When used to
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: go in there on a on a on a Wednesday.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: You are there from six until when you walk out
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: at what six probably on a Wednesday. You better do
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: your work the entire time and work and know what
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: you're doing, and do the work off the field to
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: be able to do your work on a Wednesday. That's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: all I want from you. If you give me that,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: and you give me a you are, you know your playbook,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and you work and you stay out of trouble, I'm
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: gonna treat you with the utmost respect. I'm gonna treat
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: you like a grown man. Now you make a mistake,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I might, you know, get on you a little bit
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: about something. A dude you that you're a little overweight,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: and put your work in this week, whatever. But you
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: have to be able to treat him with respect and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: treat him like men. And you can't go past that shot.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Con actually hit this right on the head of the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: day and one of his answers about what he might
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: be looking for in the two open positions when he's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: learned over the years and a proven leader who understands
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: not only the basis of football, the blocking and tackling,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: but more importantly modern football some of the things, but
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: more importantly handling the twenty one century athlete at the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: same time. That's exactly what you guys just spoke about.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Let's get to our next question now for Matt Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Bush eight one seven. I just want to thank all
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: three of you for the past few years. This show
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: has been a staple of mine every Monday. This year,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: the show is especially needed to get me through the season,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: coming from a lifelong Jags fan of New York. Have
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: a great offseason. Oh yeah, and go j e t
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: s see he's been listening all year. That guy. He
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: heard me do that in October and it worked. Look
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: at you know what, though, so the way they should,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: you'll you won't have to do that for another twelve
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: or fifteen years, bare minimum. No comment from Tony Okay
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: next week. I hope we never have to do it again.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, this was mystical this year. Maybe maybe in
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: fifteen years when Trevor Lawrence is an old, broken down man.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe Oh he's like Tom Brady, gonna play for twenty
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: five years. We might be gone. I might be gone
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: by then. I wasn't gonna say anything, but our next
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: question at ERICI, Harrison, Caleb, and Chase on some provements
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: pressuring the quarterback had been noticeable and encouraging. How is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: he looking in the run game? Seems he liking go
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Quay tries to elude the block rather than set the edge,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: and it's led to some issues. What do you see?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks for another great season, guys. I mean, listen, he
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: has gotten better, there's no doubt about it. Um, But
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: he's still an undersized defensive ent and I think you
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta figure out what what is his role?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Where does he fit moving forward? And and the improvements
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: he's made were that's good. And remember he didn't get
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: an off season. He's a young player. He's you know,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: really playing a new position when you think about it.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: He was more of a kind of upstand up outside
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: end linebacker position at l SHO. Now he's handed the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: third type of guy for three defensive and it's different, um,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: And so that takes time and they're gonna be patient there. Um,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: But he's still I still question is he a guy
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that you can play on first and second down? And
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: if teams start running right at you, I think it's
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: a problem. Well, I think he can play in first
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: and second down if playing at different defense, this defense,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: he can't play on first and second down. He's not
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: gonna play Tony. It's the old You've seen this playout
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: years and years and years. The smallest defensive end who
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: can rush the pastor gets run at and run at
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: and run at. It can't happen anymore. I mean, look
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: at even Okay, as great as Simeon Rice was. Remember
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: back in the day in Tampa when when people ran it,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: then they ran in him. You know you did it,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you were part of it. He could rush the pastor.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: But what it was the old Matador when it came
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: to the run defense because he wasn't a big guy.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: And so I think that's a problem. Was a problem
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: within Doc Way, and it's a problem with Chason. If
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: you stood him up and played him on one side
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: and Allan on the other, and you had some big
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: bodies playing the run in front of them, then I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: think he could handle that. I think that's what he's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: more suited to that. You would you agree? I mean,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: just my name. I mean I think there's a lot
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: of work. I mean, you need an offseason. Yeah, I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: get it. So but but yeah, I give him credit.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: He's worked hard, he's gotten better. Next to Leonard Williams
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: will help him next year. That's a big body, that's
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: a big boy. I'm calling that early. I've already remember
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I fixed the team last two weeks ago. So you're
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: saying that Jets aren't gonna sign Leondard Williams. The Giants,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: I mean Giants, Sorry, the Giants over pay for him,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: pay more money than Ape, don't you get it? Get
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: what is there discount for the taxes? So you don't
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: think they'll franchise him, No, they might. He's played it,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: he's played that good this year. Yeah, that's the problem.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of guys that big and do
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: what he does. Our next question from that Jags eight five.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: How much of a priority is signing Chart to an
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: extension this offseason? Or do you let him play out
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: his deal and then worry about it in two Likely
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: can get a better deal now with his down year,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: bad quarterback play aside, but the camp is down from
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: normal seasons, which should make market value go down. What
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: do you think? I want to see him with Lawrence?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Let's see where he takes his game with Lawrence, if
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: he takes his if he's what I think he can
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: become with a really good quarterback. But I want to
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: see it because I think it's there. But I want
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: to see it, and I think, yeah, I mean, I
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: think you go through free agency in the draft. Do
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: you see where you're at and maybe you're start having
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: conversations with him in the summer and seeing if you
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: can get to a price tag that works for both sides.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Our next and final question is from at John Gould,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: is me how important is having veterans on this team
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: for this rebuild, especially with the young course first time
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: with the regime change. Is it worth overpaying? Some guys
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: who provide that in the locker room love the show.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Wish y'all could do a few shows in the offseason,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: and even if only online. Do I think that it?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Look if you get the right veterans, Look how many
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: how guys here now are sticking around, it's probably I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: think they'll keep Lenda and Norwell I do. I think
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: the left tackle is gone. I think he's a goodbye.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: And I think you keep the veterans on the inside.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: So there's three veterans on your offensive line now. Is
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Linda a leader? I don't know that. I'm not around
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: that locker room enough to know. Is he is he
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: a good leader? I know he's he can be the media.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Some guys think he could be stand office at times.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: But he is he a good leader in the locker room.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't been in there for a long time. I
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: haven't been in there this year. I know he's been
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: a captain the last two or three years. So for
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: what that's worth, here's the problem. Who are the defensive leaders?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could you always have betteran offensive one.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Norwell and and and Linda could be veteran lead, you know,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: leaders on the offense. Who are the leaders on defense?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I think only two, only two guys that stand out
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: right now we Miles Jack, Joe Schober h Allen. But
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: he's only what third year, and he's been hurt all
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: he really only played one year. Do you think about it?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: M yeah, I think. Look, I know you've got a
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: soft spot for Joe Schober, but I don't. I just
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: think that Miles Jack has to be the guy. Did
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you see shobered on that one run? Oh? Yeah? Unfortunately?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Did be? Unfortunately? I did? Well, you saw Taylor more
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: than he did. But but my point of Shobard, he's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be your middle linebacker next year. I don't see.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: You have too many other places to fill. You're not
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: gonna go spend money and effort and draft capital on
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: the middle linebacker. And and he might be better if
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you have big bodies around him. That's right, all right,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: there you have it. Social questions are done for the season.
• 1:30:46
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• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: didn't answer about doing the online show to keep it going.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: But well, well can we can talk about that another
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Well have We'll have to have some contract negotiations on
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: that for the right money. Me and bass Elia do
• 1:30:59
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• 1:31:04
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  Speaker 1: You keep saying I'm firing you guys. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: next year if your agent will allow it. Pete, Well,
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  Speaker 1: with your dad. Yeah. The only problem is you know
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  Speaker 1: I see you on camera, bite your tongue in the
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  Speaker 1: whole day because you don't want to get caught laughing
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  Speaker 1: at my stupid It's like, right now, no, I said funny,
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  Speaker 1: not I agree. You have plenty of around. Yeah, my
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  Speaker 1: my humor makes you laugh every Monday, and you just
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  Speaker 1: hold it in because you don't want to get You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be accused of being guilty by associate
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  Speaker 1: right there, right there laughing but he's not laughing. That
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: is so true. But you know, look, I can take
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: it from Baselli. I can take it from JP. But
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  Speaker 1: he texts me and tells me, oh, man, chad Rick's
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: ripping me. That's right, you know what, my dad's gonna
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: beat up your dad. I doubt that highly as well.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go around the NFL playoffs, Angelo Chrisco the Mobster, Hey,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: NFL Super wild Card weekend triple headers Saturday at Sunday.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the a f C number seven seed Colts,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: who stuck into the playoffs, and they'll face the number
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: two seed Buffalo Bills one o'clock on Saturday, Pete, and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: this should be an interesting game. If Laviscus shand All
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: looked like he looked against that Colts defense, I can't
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: wait to see what Diggs look. I mean, Oh, my
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Buffalo offense is explosive. Josh Allen's playing great football. I
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: don't see the Colts winning that game. The one thing, though,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Buffalo has trouble stopping the run. Do you think they
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: can keep the ball out of Josh Allen's hands? I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: love that the whole idea. I always do. But once
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: you look up and it's fourty nonhing, and that kind
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: of goes out the window. And in a lot of situations, yeah,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: as soon as you're down big or a couple of scores,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: you're hold onto the ball and slowed the game down.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: As a I just gonna sense it's gonna be closer
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: than anyone, you know, a touchdown. I think it's gonna
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: be tight. Don't count the Colts. I'm definitely leaning towards
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the Bills, There's no doubt about that. But the Colts,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: you know, they've got that good defense, and they're they're
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit leaky in the secondary, that had some
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: injuries back there. But if they can get after Josh
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Allen rushed the passer and you have one of those
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: days when the front four dominates, you know, watch out.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting game. But people haven't got after.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: That's amazing thing is people aren't getting after Josh Allen,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and when they do, he moves. No, he said, listen,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: he's playing. Is is there a quarterback playing better than
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: him right now? Not named Darren Robert? He's playing the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: second best. Pete called it the second game on Saturday,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the NFC number six seed Rams and the three seeds
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Seahawks in Seattle. Do you think now this this one's
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be closer than people think This will be the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: third time they've played. The Rams won the first time.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: The Rams gagged away the second one and Golford his
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: s thumb in that game, remember, but he threw an interception.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I still don't know what he was looking at. They
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: were driving to take a seven point lead in the
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: second quarter, and they know him and that defense is
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: good enough to contain Russell Wilson. So I think this
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: one will be closed. I think Seattle will win it,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: but it'll be closed. Is golf gonna be on the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: play though? They'll steam up some stuff to get there.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: That kid John Wolford who was from jack Togo by
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, he did some good things in that game.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: No he didn't. He played fine. I just don't think
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: they win without golf. I'll go to Seattle. Yeah, I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: think Seattle win the game, but it's gonna be tight though.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: That defense. Yeah, they went full Duval at quarterback last
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: week Walford and Blake Bortles was the backup. They signed
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: him as well. Uh NFC number five seed Tampa Bay,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and the number four seed Washington football team.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, JP, I don't think Duvall claims portals
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: think they do. Now, I think there's a there's a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: portion of the fan base that liked to be I
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: like Blake, but come on, a lot of the fan
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: base do not claiming Blake. Ford will claim John Walford
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: he went to high school there. But they're not hard.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: It's hard to argue with Pete Tampa Bay Washington again,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: what is Tom Brady's kryptonite over the years? Rushing the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: pastor and they have four guys who could get after Payne, Um, Alan, Alan,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: and uh and the fifth guy that comes up his
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: car again he can run the ban they I mean,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: I think this is a closer game than me too.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think ultimately Tampa wins, but this could
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: be one of those games, you know. Oh and by
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: the way, the last two times and seven and nine
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: team made the playoffs, guess what they both won? Their
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: opening game beast Quake was a seven and nine teams Seattle,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: remember they were And I do think and I do
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: think if Mike Evans is not there, that changes the
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: dynamic of that offense a little bit as well. So yeah,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be closed. I think Camp will
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: pull a really close one out. Let's move to Sunday
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and a couple of a f C games starting at
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: one oh five Eastern, the five seed Ravens and the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: four seed Tennessee Titans. Interesting. I don't think this is
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: who the Titans wanted to play. I think there's gonna
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: be five thousand yards of rushing on from the game.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: The game, the game will be over. And you know
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: we said that a couple of weeks ago with Cleveland
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: played Tennessee. The game will be over in two hours
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: and thirty minutes. It was one of the highest free
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: games of the year. So but I'm with you, Tony.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I think that both teams want to run the ball,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: and run the ball and run the ball. It's question
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: who stops who. And there's a little bit of revenge here.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Remember what happened last year in Baltimore. They've knocked him out.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I think the Ravens win the game. I think the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Ravens have writed a lot of their problems. I think
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: they'll find a way to win this game. I think
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: the Ravens win to I just don't think you win
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs when you're that bad on defense, and
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: the Titans are just terrible on defense. Oh my god,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: it's just you know, they score late and you just
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: sit there and go, Okay, here goes to Shaun Watson.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: He's going to get the type field go No matter
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: what I mean, they're they're awf on defense in the NFC.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: The middle game on Sunday at the seven seed Bears
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: and the number two seed Saints. Uh, it's Camara Alvan
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: Kamara gonna play that big for them. But well it's
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. That should help, right, Yeah, but again, I
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: don't know that. If something tells me this game might
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: be a little sticky too, do you think. I don't
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: know why, but I do. Yeah. The Bears defense, and
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think Drew Brees has been great this year.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: I think this is it for Drew Brees too. I
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: think this is his last year. I don't think he
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: said it. He said there's a report he's done. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I think he's done. But I mean, but that's been
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of speculation for the entire year. Um, it's
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: starting to get more legs. Um. Yeah, I think I
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: think the you know, both have good defenses, so call
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: that a wash. Um. I'm assuming Alvin Kamara plays. And
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: then you go down to which quarterback. Are you gonna
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: trust more Drew Brees or Mitchell to risky trust? Yeah,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: I'll go with the st but it might not be
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: as it might be closer. That might be another one
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: where it's closer to you. You think I think it's
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: a tight game. You don't convince me of that. And
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: then the nightcap on Sunday eight fifteen, Sunday nights start
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: for the six seed Cleveland Browns and the three seed
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers in the a f C. Wild will have
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: to call on Westwood one. Yeah, he can't. He can't
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: pick the game because he hasn't. He's a medium member.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: I've never understood that. But like why Quinn does that
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: with me all the time? I have to call? I goes?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: But what you pick a pick? Who cares? No one cares,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, no one cares that you have the call, right,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: and no one cares who your pick is. Who you
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: picking though? By the way, right, I'm gonna go with
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: the Steelers because that defense is good. I mean they
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: almost beat them without Ben Roethlisberger and a bunch of
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: players t J. Watton playing. Yeah, I think the Steelers win.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I agree, I think they went this might be one
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: where they win easily too. I think they might pull
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: pull away from him. I think the history is awful
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: in this series for Cleveland, and I just think this
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: is a tough matchup for him. So I'm with you.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: I think the Steelers win this one ten points. They
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: went by ten? Was that just a for the Steelers
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: at the end of the season where they had lost
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: those games and couldn't do much one? But this Brown's
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: team lost to the Jets a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the wide receivers. But no, I think
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: they win by ten. Okay, but here's the question for
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Somebody little run that you're not expecting. It
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: happens every year. Every last year it was the Titans.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: The Jaguards did it a couple of years ago. You
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: guys did it in ninety six. So I mean, every
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: year there's one team that makes a run. Who's the
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: team that makes the run? You know? I think, well,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess people are expecting it, but I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: would say Buffalo number that's probably not fair. Um, anybody
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: from three downs? How about Washington? You said Washington could
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: beat Tampa. Now enough on offense, campam make a run
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: because they I mean, they get by Washington the rest
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: of the well, then they got to go to Green Bay. Yeah,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: but I think they can make a run there. They
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: beat him already once this year. I just can't see
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, the freezing Gold against it with a night game.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe you know how he's done at nighttime. I think
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: Baltimore can make a run. I'm gonna go Tampa in
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the NFC and I'm gonna go Baltimore. Remember, Pete, there
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: was some weeks ago we talked about Baltimore was having
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: all those COVID issues. Everything was happening. You said at
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: that point, I think I'm not gonna quote you, I'm
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: gonna get close. You know, Baltimore could get right. They'll
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: have COVID, they'll be healthy, they'll be ready for the
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: stretch run in the playoffs. And nobody nobody wanted them
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: in j they were I mean nobody wants Nobody wanted
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: to see them in. You would clearly have rather had
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Miami in than Baltimore. I don't think there's any question
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: about that. So that's a big stretch. That's a real
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: strong comment. They were fighting for the one of the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: final spots Tonty was closet. But you're saying everyone wanted
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: Miami over Baltimore. No kidding. Miami is like, first of all,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: that's the whole story. We got to talk about some
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: point of time today following you on Twitter. That's what
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, you can't bury him this because
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: people bury Josh Allen. They were wrong about that. But yeah,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: but Josh Allen was in five eleven, throwing passes into
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: into the defensive line, tipping him every two seconds. Either.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: He was just a ratic at times. You could see
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the arm too. It doesn't never throw to the right
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: side of the field, he doesn't throw guys open. You
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: know what he is. He's a left handed minshew. Well.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is why I never would have taken him.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I never understood the pick. I never understand the infatuation
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: with him. I thought he was a great college player.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't see it translating in the pros. I could
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: be wrong. You gotta give him time, But I mean,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: so far the early returns, I think people in Miami
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: are going, can we get Herbert like we were there,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: we picked you. If you had to grade him his
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: early early returns and granted he did not have an
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: off season. His receivers have dropped past his name, had injuries.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: But if he had to grade him right now for
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the season, what would you give him? See, Oh, you're
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: in you're a good grad. Wish I was in your
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: That that's the USC classes. No, No, I'm taking everything, Pete.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: I'm taking everything into consideration. No off season, coming off
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: a major injury, rookie. You know COVID, you know all
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: the things I'm putting together. I give my seat. What
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: do you give Herbert an A plus? Yes, like the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: highest grade you can. Yeah, you would have you would
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: have taken him over over two. Yes, And then they
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: said that I said that before. Yeah, it goes back
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: to when and all the Miami fans are giving me
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: crap on Twitter, like you said, what are your eyes? See?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: You can talk all you want. One is not like
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: the other. Okay, it's just like I said, But Pete,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: I said that with him coming out of college, you
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: just watch him. It's just like that's he just doesn't
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing about him. He says like he does this,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: tell me one thing. He does great better when he's
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: on the move. I'll be honest with you, I think point.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: It's not it's not like it's not he's fast. It's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: not not anticipate. He doesn't anticipate. He doesn't go to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: his progressions. Yeah, at to your point, like even when
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: like Josh Allen was not very good early and the
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: accuracy was a big issue. He had a rocket arm.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: He was six five. Yeah. I mean like like you
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: look at like, I'm not a big Kyler Murray fan.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I think he just he's short. He's small, That's okay.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray rocket right arm could run like the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: wind playmaker. Like I get the upside with Kyler Murray.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: I am lost with two of I never understood that
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: him coming out of Alabama, Like what was like what
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: outside of throwing the wide open people at Alabama? What
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: was like? What trade does he have that you just
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: go wow? Right, he was own the Judy Davonte Smith
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: rugs and waddle. It's not bad. And they had a
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: running game too. By the way, So, hey, did have
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: you tweeted that yet that he's a left handed minshew, No,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: I have not. I might tweet it for you, it's
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: too early to do that. You on the show. Yeah,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: but he I mean he just reminds me a lot
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: of the way he plays that way, he's far less
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: herky jerky in the pocket. He's not doing the ball
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: thing on. If you're Miami, you're drafted third. I'm considering
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: again you take Zack Wilson's there. Yes, I would consider it. Hey,
• 1:50:40
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  Speaker 1: obviously a fun a fun day to recap what happened
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. But unfortunately this year for the Jaguars, most
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  Speaker 1: Sundays were not happy. Sunday's fifteen in a row. In
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  Speaker 1: fact too in the regular season at one and fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: But Pete, as you noted, throughout the season. It was
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: all worth it. In the end, the Jaguars have the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick. We'll find out if it's all
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  Speaker 1: worth it, obviously in a few years, but it will
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  Speaker 1: be worth it. It will be worth it. But that
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: was the goal at least for you, was to get
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: that picked. Jaguars did that, and I don't want to
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: go through this ever again. It was horrible. I will
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: say this. There were days in early November when we
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: come in here and it would be the same show
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: every Monday, every single week. Yeah, but we we did
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  Speaker 1: have fun with it and we found a way two
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  Speaker 1: start looking ahead to the draft, which Basselli always hated,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: and it worked out that they ended up with the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick. And this might be the biggest
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: season off season in terms of optimism that this franchise
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: has had in but twenty years. I mean, it's as
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: much excitement since I can remember since what There was
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: still excitement after the loss of the Super Bowl. It
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: waned quickly in the following year, but there was and
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: now this is that same type of optimism. I bet
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: people are called about buying tickets already. You know, Trevor
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: Larrence will have a number sixteen Jersey probably and and
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: it will be a top seller. And now you've got
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: to get the right guy to lead the team. And
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: that's why I think the optimism is warranted in that city.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: It's it's finally gonna have a franchise quarterback that they
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: drafted and developed. It's been a long time. You can
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: argue it has never happened around It never happened Mark
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: was Mark was acquired in a trade. It never drafted
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: developed the quarterback. Who's the franchise quarterback? Ever, how many
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: teams can say that? Not many, not many? Um. But now,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: of course there is a bright future with that, and
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: the head coach and GM hirings are on deck. We'll
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: see what happens in the next few days, week or two,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: depending on the timing. But the wheels are in motion, Tony, Yeah,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I mean here we go. I mean, you know, we'll
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: find out a lot. I mean, it's gonna be a
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: whole different world here in the next thirty days. I mean,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: it can happen as fast as next week. If they
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: go through it, they find their guy and it can
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: be done um. Or it can take through the Super Bowl.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: We've seen teams name their coach after the Super Bowl. UM,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: and so it could be. And once we find that out,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: then you really find out the direction of this franchise
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: from the standpoint of who you're gonna be. Because obviously
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: the owner is a critical piece of its shots team.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: He's the owner, he's the ultimate leader of the of
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: the organization. But really the culture in that building on
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: the football side will be dictated by the head coach
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: in the GM. Who you are, what kind of players
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: you gonna get, what the standard is, you know, you know,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: the direction, the philosophy, all those things. Right now, we
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: don't have one. Do you think about it. It's it's
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: a blank sheet of paper, and whoever comes in they're
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: gonna be dictating that. And uh, I know all of
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: us and all the fans are kind of sitting back
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: and waiting to see what directions we go follow. Whoever
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: does get the job, follow my plan, you will have success.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: Follow my plan. Leonard Williams, Trey Andrickson, Rondel Moore, a
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: tight end, left tackle, uh and draft well with the
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: rest of those positions. You will have a successful football team.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: It's that simple. And by the way, final thought here,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: the NFL got through two fifty six regular seasons. They
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: got them all in the tribute to a the league
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: be the owners who spent a lot of money to
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: safeguard those facilities and make everything work, and first and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: foremost the players. The players bought in and they deserve
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of credit as well. It's remarkable. I mean,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: if we were honest with each other when we kicked
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: the show off at the beginning of the year, did
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: any of us think we get every game in and
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: now seventeen weeks. I know, I thought we'd get him
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: in ultimately, but I thought you'd have eighteen nineteen twenty weeks.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: The super will be pushed back. It's unreal and one
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: of the great things that's come out of this. We
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: might see Tuesday and Wednesday football going for look out
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: scheduled disruptions ahead. It sounds like, Hey, it's been a
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: pleasure again. Guys, Tony Pete, we'll talk to you down
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: the line here in the off season. Guys, All right, guys,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: all right, Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco out of here thanks
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: to Joe Fortunado not with us right now. He'll be
• 1:59:33
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