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- 0:00What would you do if your research species was endangered, your
- 0:03coastline was under constant pressure, and a war broke out around you?
- 0:08One marine scientist in Gaza is trying to answer this question while studying
- 0:12one of the Mediterranean Sea's most mysterious animals, the giant devil ray.
- 0:17This is the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, your weekday ocean news update.
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- 0:26you won't miss tomorrow's episode Today's episode is about more than devil rays.
- 0:30It's about what happens when science, conservation, and human
- 0:34resilience collide in one of the most difficult places on Earth.
- 0:38Now, before we go into this, this is a very sensitive subject matter.
- 0:43Obviously, the crisis that's happening in Gaza, we are not
- 0:46overlooking this on this podcast.
- 0:48It is a tragedy and I have feelings on this, but I'm not gonna bring my
- 0:52political beliefs on this in this area.
- 0:54What we're gonna be doing is focusing on a Mongabay article that has to
- 0:58do with someone studying devil rays in Gaza and obviously being
- 1:03endangered of this person's life.
- 1:04This is a very serious thing.
- 1:06Unfortunately, we also saw a sea turtle biologist killed in Lebanon this
- 1:10past week, which is a huge tragedy.
- 1:13She felt that she wanted to be there to protect them.
- 1:15She's from Lebanon, didn't live there, went back, and unfortunately
- 1:18she was hit in a missile strike.
- 1:20Absolute tragedy.
- 1:21I'm against war in all major facets.
- 1:24You care for the people that are affected by this, and unfortunately,
- 1:27losing scientists to war when they're trying to study their species
- 1:31is just so tragic in all cases.
- 1:33And so I want to go forward with this episode because I think it's important
- 1:36to tell this person's story, and help amplify the story that's on Mongabay
- 1:40News, which is really well done.
- 1:41But I wanted to make sure that we got this out of the way to just let you know
- 1:45of where we stand here at the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, and well, it
- 1:48really is me, because this is something that I care about very, very deeply
- 1:52about these scientists, and we wanna support scientists who are out there.
- 1:55So this is something that we're gonna go do.
- 1:57We're gonna answer a question today.
- 1:58It's, can ocean conservation continue during a humanitarian crisis?
- 2:02So the story comes from a recent interview published by Mongabay featuring marine
- 2:06ecologist Mohammed Abu Daya, a scientist from Gaza who has spent years studying
- 2:11giant devil rays and other marine species in the Eastern Mediterranean.
- 2:16So let's start with the animal at the center of the story.
- 2:18Giant devil rays are among the largest rays in the world.
- 2:21If you've ever seen a manta ray, they look somewhat similar.
- 2:24They have broad wing-like fins, can grow several meters across,
- 2:28and spend much of their lives moving through open ocean waters.
- 2:32But unlike manta rays, giant devil rays remain relatively mysterious.
- 2:36Scientists still know surprisingly little about population sizes,
- 2:40migration routes, and breeding behavior.
- 2:43That uncertainty is a problem because the species is already considered
- 2:47endangered and recovers very slowly from population declines.
- 2:50Female devil rays produce very few offspring, making it
- 2:53difficult for populations to bounce back when it numbers fall.
- 2:57For years, Mohammed Abu Daya has been working to understand these
- 3:01animals along Gaza's coastline.
- 3:03His research became internationally recognized after helping reveal that
- 3:07what many media outlets once described as a mysterious mass stranding
- 3:10of devil rays on Gaza beaches was actually a targeted fishery.
- 3:15Hundreds of rays had been caught and landed by fishers rather
- 3:18than washing ashore naturally.
- 3:21That discovery helped scientists better understand both the
- 3:23species and the challenges facing conservation in the region.
- 3:27But then the situation became far more difficult.
- 3:30The ongoing war in Gaza has disrupted nearly every aspect of daily life,
- 3:35including scientific research.
- 3:37Fieldwork became dangerous, if not impossible Equipment and resources
- 3:42became difficult to access, and communication with collaborators
- 3:46became even more complicated.
- 3:48And yet Abu Daya has continued working whenever possible to document marine
- 3:52life and contribute to conservation knowledge, even though he was
- 3:55probably in danger when doing it.
- 3:58That's where the story becomes much bigger than devil rays.
- 4:01When we talk about ocean conservation, we often focus on protected areas,
- 4:05fishing regulations, or climate change.
- 4:07But conservation depends on something even more fundamental: people, right?
- 4:11If we manage the people, we can manage the ocean.
- 4:13The ocean can almost manage itself,
- 4:14Scientists collect data, communities share knowledge, managers make decisions.
- 4:19Without people doing that work, conservation slows
- 4:21down or stops entirely.
- 4:23Now, the story of Mohammed Abu Daya highlights something we rarely
- 4:26discuss in ocean conservation.
- 4:28Many of the world's most important ecosystems are located in regions
- 4:32experiencing political instability, conflict, or economic hardship.
- 4:36Yet biodiversity doesn't pause during a crisis.
- 4:39Species continue migrating, fish continue spawning, threats
- 4:43continue to affect wildlife.
- 4:45And scientists working in those places often become the only
- 4:48source of information available.
- 4:50In Gaza, the marine environment faces unique pressures.
- 4:53Fishing areas are restricted, economic challenges influence how marine
- 4:57resources are used, and conservation measures can be difficult to implement.
- 5:01Yet the coastline still supports important marine species, including
- 5:05the endangered devil rays.
- 5:07What's remarkable is that despite these obstacles, researchers continue
- 5:10finding ways to collect data and engage with fishing communities.
- 5:14That collaboration matters.
- 5:16Many conservation successes begin with local knowledge.
- 5:19Fishers often know when the species arrive, where they gather, and how
- 5:23populations appear to be changing.
- 5:25Scientists can then combine their observations with research
- 5:28to better understand what is happening beneath the surface.
- 5:31In other words, conservation isn't something done to communities.
- 5:34The best conservation is usually done with communities, and that's a lesson that
- 5:38applies whether you're working in Gaza, Canada, Australia, or anywhere else.
- 5:43The future of devil ray conservation remains uncertain.
- 5:47Scientists still need better information about population trends,
- 5:50migration patterns, and habitat use throughout the Mediterranean.
- 5:53The species faces ongoing risk from fishing pressure, accidental
- 5:57capture, and habitat degradation.
- 5:59But there's also a reason for optimism.
- 6:01Every new piece of information helps build a cleaner picture
- 6:04of how to protect these animals.
- 6:07Researchers across the Mediterranean are increasingly collaborating on the devil
- 6:11ray conservation, and citizen science programs are helping document sightings.
- 6:15Conservation groups are raising awareness about the species, and scientists like
- 6:19Mohammed Abu Daya continue contributing knowledge under circumstances that many
- 6:24researchers would find unimaginable.
- 6:26His story remind us that conservation isn't only about species.
- 6:30It's also about the people who dedicate their lives to
- 6:32understanding and protecting them.
- 6:34When we read scientific papers, we often see just the data.
- 6:38We see the graphs, we see the conclusions.
- 6:40What we don't always see are the human stories behind that work, the long
- 6:44days in the field, the uncertainty, the setbacks, and sometimes, as
- 6:48in this case, the extraordinary determination required simply to
- 6:51continue doing the science at all.
- 6:53Like, let's be honest, nobody expects science to go on, especially
- 6:56for the marine environment, while there's a war that breaks out.
- 6:59I don't even know what we expect people to do.
- 7:00I've never been in a war zone.
- 7:01I could never even imagine what people go through.
- 7:03I can only just be afraid for the people who are experiencing this, the innocent
- 7:07people who have done nothing but just have to deal with bombs every single day.
- 7:13How do you expect someone to go out and study these?
- 7:15The fact that they're doing this says a lot about who they are as
- 7:19a scientist and who they are as a person, and I have the utmost respect
- 7:23for the people who are doing this.
- 7:25The ocean story is really a people story.
- 7:27Because protecting species like the giant devil rays depends not only
- 7:30on the animals themselves, but on the people willing to keep studying
- 7:33and protecting them even when the odds are stacked against them.
- 7:36Just like to even think about going out when you may or may not see or
- 7:41hear bombs going off and buildings just coming to rubble and people screaming
- 7:45and people scared, people trying to find food, just trying to survive.
- 7:48That's a difficult problem.
- 7:50Gaza is not a very big place and from what I gather from what's been
- 7:53happening, there's nowhere to go.
- 7:55And so they're facing this and here's Mohammed who's actually out there
- 7:59trying to collect data as much as he can, whether he's trying to keep
- 8:02busy, keep his mind off what's going on or just continue to do his work
- 8:05because he's passionate about it.
- 8:07The fact that he's actually doing it is amazing.
- 8:09Like, I just can't even consider thinking about what this guy is going through.
- 8:14And I would love to get his story and get him on the podcast at some
- 8:17point, but I would rather him be safe, him survive, him and his
- 8:20family survive what's going on.
- 8:22And hopefully he can one day tell a story at a conference or on this podcast or
- 8:26wherever he can because I think it's one of bravery, I think it's one of courage.
- 8:30I think it's one of trying to do something good in a bad
- 8:34situation, a really bad situation.
- 8:36And there are a lot of biologists out there and conservationists,
- 8:38whether they're terrestrial, freshwater or marine, that have to go
- 8:42through dangers on a regular basis.
- 8:44They live in countries where there's political instability, where there's
- 8:47drug trafficking, where there's human trafficking, where there's a lot of
- 8:50crime, and they have to go out in remote areas where they're unprotected and they
- 8:55are vulnerable to what's happening in and around the area that they live in.
- 8:59And you just never know what's gonna happen.
- 9:01And we wanna protect the people there.
- 9:03and we want to support the people who are doing that.
- 9:05We want them to be safe.
- 9:06I don't know if I have the bravery and courage to do that.
- 9:09There's no way.
- 9:09I don't think I could do that.
- 9:10So I give a lot of respect to Mohammed and what he's been able to do, and what he's
- 9:14been able to gather over these last few years, and even just throughout his time
- 9:18living in Gaza, and the fact that he's staying there, like, is just phenomenal.
- 9:21I hope everything goes well for him.
- 9:23I wish him well, and I hope that we get not only more data, but his safety, and
- 9:27his family's safety, and his friends'.
- 9:28And then just the end to the war in general, obviously.
- 9:31It's just awful.
- 9:32So, that's the episode for today.
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- 9:46Link is in the show notes.
- 9:48And of course, if you wanna contact me, you can do so on my socials.
- 9:51I wanna thank you for joining me on today's episode of the How
- 9:53to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 9:54I also wanna thank Mongabay News for writing this article and the one that
- 9:58we covered yesterday on the podcast 'cause they're an amazing organization.
- 10:01You should check them out at mongabay.com.
- 10:04And I wanna thank you for listening to this episode, and have a good day.
- 10:07We'll talk to you next time, and happy conservation.