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ONELEGUPALEX Reax With Lou Terminello on Igor Shesterkin and Passing of Mike Ditka 10-10-26 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, it's Terminal's take on One Link Up
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  Speaker 2: Alex Media. I have not been able to do my debrief.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do that in a separate episode. But Lou,
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  Speaker 2: right now I'm wearing the Bears because of Mike Ditka
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  Speaker 2: and my dad's love of the Bears. So my heart's
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  Speaker 2: in Chicago. My mentality's in Chicago. But all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: here in New York, Knicks win a championship. only to
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  Speaker 2: have Aaron Judge out most of the year, Jackson Dart
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  Speaker 2: out for the season, and now add Igor Shostakhin. The
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  Speaker 2: sports gods are funny. They give it and they take
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  Speaker 2: it away, it seems like.
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  Speaker 1: It's really true, Alex, and thanks for having me as always.
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  Speaker 1: The news that just broke the last 20 minutes or
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  Speaker 1: so about Igor Shostakhin is devastating. He's irreplaceable. There's no
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  Speaker 1: way the Rangers can make up for his loss. He
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  Speaker 1: covers up any mistakes they make in front of him.
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  Speaker 1: He's at the top of his game. He's in the
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  Speaker 1: prime of his career. In a league where goaltending is
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  Speaker 1: such a premium now, backup goaltending, starting goaltending, what are
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers.
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  Speaker 2: Going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Jonas Corpozalo is going to be out for another month,
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  Speaker 1: who was going to be the backup to Sturgeon. They're
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  Speaker 1: really lucky that Dylan Garland didn't get claimed during waivers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they would have done. Spencer Martin's
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  Speaker 1: injured down in Hartford. Yes, there's a goaltender out there,
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  Speaker 1: but the Rangers can't get him because of cap problems.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know they made some changes to the
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  Speaker 1: long-term IR system. which Chesterkin obviously falls under since he's
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  Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year, but obviously a
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  Speaker 1: three-time Vezina Trophy winner and former MVP Hart Trophy winner
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  Speaker 1: and gold medal hero Connor Hellebuck is out there. He
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  Speaker 1: has three years left on his deal. The Rangers can't
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  Speaker 1: fit him into the cap. I don't know if there's
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  Speaker 1: some manipulating they can do, but then you can't carry
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  Speaker 1: Hawk and eventually say next year Chesterkin. So... I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the Rangers are going to do. They'll probably trade.
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  Speaker 2: From what you saw, does it look bad, like career-ending type,
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  Speaker 2: or what?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was watching it live, and it was strange
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  Speaker 1: because at first, it looked like he might have been
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  Speaker 1: pushed into the net, but he kind of fell trying
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  Speaker 1: to make the save, and his leg just... directly went
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  Speaker 1: into the, uh, uh, the goalpost to his right. And
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  Speaker 1: you knew right away, Alex, that he was, that he
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  Speaker 1: was badly injured. And, uh, uh, he was down for
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  Speaker 1: a while. He was pounding his fist on the ice.
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  Speaker 1: They need, he had trouble getting even down the runway
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  Speaker 1: when they finally got onto the bench. Uh, so you
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  Speaker 1: knew it was going to be a long-term injury. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't know if it was season ending at that time,
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  Speaker 1: but it looked bad. And, uh, You know, I got
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  Speaker 1: to give the Rangers credit. They continued to play hard
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  Speaker 1: last night. It was a two-to-one game until an empty
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  Speaker 1: net goal by Tom Wilson was a second ago. So
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers didn't get down in the dumps. But this
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. He's irreplaceable. There's nothing else you can say.
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  Speaker 1: He's irreplaceable.
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  Speaker 2: I do think this wearing terror has been going on
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  Speaker 2: for years because... As you say, he's not only irreplaceable,
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  Speaker 2: but they rely on him. How many goals did they
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  Speaker 2: score that he had to, like, keep them in every
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  Speaker 2: game it felt like for all these years? It hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been easy for him.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely. There's no doubt about it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's right up there, you know, with Hellebuck, with Sorokin,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with, you know, all those great goalies. And
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  Speaker 1: it's with Vasilevsky, you know. it's a devastating loss.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and of course, uh, down in Florida, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a good year last year, but his, their goalie too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it just, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Nebraska is now in Toronto and we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: he does there.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I don't, it feels like an echelon in his
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  Speaker 2: own right. You know, like, I don't know, just there's,
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  Speaker 2: there's something about him that separates him from all of them.
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  Speaker 2: So there'll be devastating, but, but, there's still, what, 80-something games,
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  Speaker 2: 79 games to play. I mean, they've got to find
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  Speaker 2: a way to get through this.
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  Speaker 1: As Bill Parcells, we bring it up a lot of times,
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  Speaker 1: when Tessa Verde got hurt on opening day in 99
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  Speaker 1: in that jet opener against the Patriots, they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to change the schedule for you. Nobody's going to feel
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  Speaker 1: sorry for you. And unfortunately, that's a fact of life.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a devastating injury, Alex. I mean, there's no
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  Speaker 1: other way to say it.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Garland is okay. I know he gave up
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  Speaker 2: a couple goals, but look, that's a tough situation to
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  Speaker 2: try and keep. I think it was a 1-1 tie
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  Speaker 2: or 1-0 lead at the time for the Rangers when
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  Speaker 2: this happened.
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  Speaker 1: When he got injured, Garland came in and he did
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  Speaker 1: a good job. He did. He did a good job because.
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  Speaker 2: That was a tough situation. 2-1, but the empty net
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  Speaker 2: made it 3-1. To hold the caps to two goals
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  Speaker 2: is still a pretty big feat, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. So we'll see what happens, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: they do.
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  Speaker 2: And I was so excited because I'm like, well, they're
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  Speaker 2: off to a three, you know, a three and one
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  Speaker 2: star for a win. And then this happened. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sports is unforgiving. You never know when something good
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  Speaker 1: is going to happen, when something bad is going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And you know New York was immediately switching gears from, okay, well, actually,
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  Speaker 2: they're switching gears more to the Knicks than the Rangers,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Because, okay, Yanks are out. Well,
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  Speaker 2: at least Knicks started now 10 days from now. But look,
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  Speaker 2: the Rangers showed, they still show promise. I know Igor
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  Speaker 2: is out for the season, which is horrible. But I
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  Speaker 2: can't be down on this team entirely yet. They have
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  Speaker 2: a good core. And my friend Lindsey says someone's got
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  Speaker 2: to step up. Look, Adam Fox is now in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the seven-year or eight-year deal he signed. He's
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  Speaker 2: got to be the big guy now to really own
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  Speaker 2: up to that contract he signed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know I've been down on Adam Fox over
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. But so far in the
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  Speaker 1: first five, it's only five games, he's played very well
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  Speaker 1: so far this year. So... Yeah, I mean, and Mike
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan's a good coach. And Mike Sullivan's gone through injuries
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  Speaker 1: where he's lost Sidney Crosby for three months. He's lost Malkin.
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  Speaker 1: He's lost guys like that. So he'll know how to
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  Speaker 1: navigate the team through this injury period.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And, you know, you think about it also, JT Miller.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's the best guy to have as captain
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  Speaker 2: right now for all this. So we'll have to see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we'll see. Like I said, he's not the
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  Speaker 1: first guy to get hurt. We just hate to see it. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, last year was a down year for
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  Speaker 2: the Rangers, and everybody was just so frustrated. This year
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  Speaker 2: they actually have a team around, Igor, so maybe this
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  Speaker 2: was the time he was going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: do something, get them farther. So, you know, it's devastating.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know. I think it means too much.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to switch. I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: the giants because they're going to have another game without
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  Speaker 2: Jackson dark tomorrow against the commanders. Oh, look, they're three
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  Speaker 2: in one. The fact they've held on even without dart.
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  Speaker 2: I know they're different sports, but it gives me some
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  Speaker 2: kind of hope. The range is going to hold on
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  Speaker 2: without Igor. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You're a hundred percent correct. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we've seen it. Yeah, we have seen it. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: So tomorrow the Giants play against the Commanders. I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to see the offense get going a little bit, but hey,
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  Speaker 2: if the defense can keep going, the Giants could maintain
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  Speaker 2: first place. What's up with the Cowboys, though, Louie? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they look like they're in a free fall.
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  Speaker 1: The Cowboys right now are in a free fall. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like they're on their way to their second
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  Speaker 1: straight losing season. I know it's two and three, but
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  Speaker 1: that loss on Thursday night, was pathetic, unacceptable against an
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  Speaker 1: undrafted rookie quarterback. By the way, that undrafted rookie quarterback
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  Speaker 1: became the first quarterback who was drafted or signed at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the draft to win a game this year.
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  Speaker 1: And Jalen Daniels played very well. But for the Dallas
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys to be run on for 244 yards and to
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  Speaker 1: have Tampa controlled the clock for almost 40 minutes. Shows
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  Speaker 1: you how inept the Dallas defense is. They have some
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  Speaker 1: nice names on the front line. Kenny Clark, Quinnen Williams.
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  Speaker 1: But they were run on, man. They were run on.
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  Speaker 1: They were run on up the middle, around end. You
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  Speaker 1: can pass against them. Alex, I think me and you
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  Speaker 1: With all limited mobility, can get open against the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: These losses are exposing them, right? So the Giants lost
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they kind of let the Giants' scataboo
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  Speaker 2: run around them a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. The Giants were dominant that night.
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  Speaker 2: And then the ineptness in Rio, to let the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: have a chance to get a field goal to win it,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 1: It's on coaching. And coaching makes such a big difference
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Look, let's look at the Giants. The
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  Speaker 1: last two games they won. Again, against Tennessee, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: score a touchdown. They still won the game. Tennessee had
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  Speaker 1: a great chance to win the game at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, first and goal at the four. I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea why 23 seconds ago in one timeout left,
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals didn't have love in the game. I
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  Speaker 1: thought they would run it once. And if they had
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  Speaker 1: to use a timeout there, they would have. But they
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  Speaker 1: threw four passes and the fourth pass was the last play. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that was returned for a touchdown by Banks. But this
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  Speaker 1: is where coaching makes a difference. Not so much in
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  Speaker 1: the X's and O's at that point. But on the sidelines,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to win this game. You have that. Let's
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  Speaker 1: face it. If Dable was there, they probably would have
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  Speaker 1: lost one of those last two games because you would have, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. we're going to lose again, the same thing's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't believe, and I'm not on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines, I don't believe that Harbaugh probably had the confidence,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to stop him, we're going to win this game.
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  Speaker 1: And that's one of the aspects where coaching makes a difference.
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  Speaker 1: I really do believe that. Of course, the X's and
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  Speaker 1: O's are the key, but he also purveys confidence. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to win this game. And they did, and
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  Speaker 1: I think we have a great chance to win tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: And Alex, I think... they have a great chance to
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  Speaker 1: win a division. I really do. Their schedule is workable.
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  Speaker 1: They don't go to any gauntlet where they're playing teams
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  Speaker 1: that are much better than them. They've only played one
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  Speaker 1: team that's much better than them so far, and that
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  Speaker 1: was the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: And you can look at the personnel, right? So Banks
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  Speaker 2: has been on this team for a while. He struggled
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  Speaker 2: a bit last year. Get the right coach in there. He's...
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  Speaker 2: They're managing the personnel better, it seems like, than the
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  Speaker 2: last few years.
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  Speaker 1: You told me that Deontay Banks, after all his issues,
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  Speaker 1: whiffing on tackles, not wanting contact, would still be on
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  Speaker 1: the New York Giants. And being at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the game, like he was last week, I would say
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  Speaker 1: no way. But he is. And it looks like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a productive player for them. you got
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  Speaker 1: to credit to the giant coaching staff. You got to
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  Speaker 1: coach these players up. And that's, that's, there's so many injuries.
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  Speaker 1: The talent level changes from week to week. Coaching makes
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  Speaker 1: a difference. Like I said to you last week, Alex,
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff is part of the roster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, and they just honored the 86 team last
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  Speaker 2: year and it's last week. And it seems like ourselves coaching.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess it was 91.
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  Speaker 2: They have more of the, because Sims went down and
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  Speaker 2: Hustler had to come in then. But even 86, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure there were some challenges he had to navigate to
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  Speaker 2: get to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: The 86 team, in my estimation, since I've been watching
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  Speaker 1: Giants football for the last 60-ish years, the 86 team
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  Speaker 1: was the best team in Giants history. In my estimation.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we know you're Jets. Were you Giants at some
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  Speaker 2: point at all or not really? Never, ever.
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  Speaker 1: I was never a Giant. I've been running, Alex, I've
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  Speaker 1: been running for the Jets since I was 11 years old,
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  Speaker 1: the year before they drafted Joe Namath, their first year
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  Speaker 1: in Chase Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's a perfect segue because they did
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  Speaker 2: lose to the Bears last week. And now this week,
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  Speaker 2: the Bears lose an icon, Mike Dicka, This is why
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  Speaker 2: I bring you on, because you have all the memories
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  Speaker 2: of this guy playing and coaching. What do you remember
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  Speaker 2: most about Mike Ditka?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Mike Ditka, when I first started watching the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: was the best tight end in the league. A year
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  Speaker 1: or two later, John Mackey for the Baltimore Colts, who
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  Speaker 1: played college ball at Syracuse, came in. Ditka revolutionized the
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  Speaker 1: tight end position. Alex, before Ditka came in as a
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  Speaker 1: rookie in 1961, and he was drafted a number five
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  Speaker 1: overall in the first round, and he was a multi-sports singer.
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  Speaker 1: They threw to the tight end maybe 15 times a year,
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  Speaker 1: 20 times a year. But in his first year, he
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  Speaker 1: caught passes for over 1,000 yards. No tight end had
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  Speaker 1: ever come close to that. He won rookie of the
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  Speaker 1: year in 1961. I remember a game in 63, and
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  Speaker 1: they won the NFL championship in 63. That's when you just...
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  Speaker 1: You just played one, you know, you just had the
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  Speaker 1: one game, you won the division before Super Bowl, before playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: There was a game in Pittsburgh where this, and Alex,
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  Speaker 1: the NFL is totally different than it is today. The Steelers,
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  Speaker 1: they were playing the Steelers who were having one of
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  Speaker 1: their rare good years. People think the Steelers have been
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  Speaker 1: good for, you know, 100 years. No, the Steelers have
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  Speaker 1: only been good since 1972. Before that, they were terrible.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they really, they were terrible. But the Steelers
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  Speaker 1: that year finished, I think, 7-4-3. Three ties. But there
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  Speaker 1: was this game in Pittsburgh late in the season. Green
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  Speaker 1: Bay was right behind the Bears. And the Steelers were
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  Speaker 1: winning 17-14. And Billy Wade, the quarterback for the Bears,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember this, threw a pass to Ditka. Ditka
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  Speaker 1: ran up, broke about six or seven tackles. I don't think,
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  Speaker 1: to set them up for a game-tying field goal He
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  Speaker 1: was a great blocker. Obviously, so he played for a
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  Speaker 1: championship team in 63. He played for a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: champion in 72, catching a pass in the 24-3 win
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  Speaker 1: for Dallas against Miami. He got a touchdown pass. So
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  Speaker 1: he played on a pre-Super Bowl championship team. He was
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  Speaker 1: an assistant coach for a championship team. He also was
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  Speaker 1: the head coach for the very famous 1985 Chicago Bears,
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the 10 greatest one-year teams in NFL
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  Speaker 1: history with as good a defense as you can have. Then,
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  Speaker 1: of course, we know he became a pipe, a pop
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  Speaker 1: culture icon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Louie. I got to ask you this, though.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I want you to watch him play.
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  Speaker 2: You watch him play, and then he turns to coaching.
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  Speaker 2: Did you think he had that fire as a coach
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  Speaker 2: or did it increase when he became a coach?
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  Speaker 1: I think basically that play I told you in Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: when he was running over about six or eight guys,
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  Speaker 1: I think that fire translated to when he was on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines. And even though some of the players behind
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  Speaker 1: their back might have cursed him out, if you talk
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  Speaker 1: to any of the players personally, in recent years even
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  Speaker 1: when he was still alive they were saying Ditka made
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  Speaker 1: us what we were and he was you know he
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  Speaker 1: was one of those icons that made the NFL what
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  Speaker 1: it is today the greatest league in American sport.
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  Speaker 2: You think that's going to continue to be I mean
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  Speaker 2: obviously the NFL is just different now I don't know
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  Speaker 2: they seem to be not they're still great great sport
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  Speaker 2: but they're watering it down a little bit no.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I really think the injury factor, Alex, has played
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  Speaker 1: a major factor in how the game has changed. I
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  Speaker 1: cannot believe how many guys are hurt. And we've only
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  Speaker 1: played four weeks. I mean, tomorrow the Eagles are going
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  Speaker 1: to be down nine, ten starters. They're playing Jacksonville in London.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles are eight-point underdog tomorrow in London.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So things change so quickly. But real quick on the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Sirianni in fourth quarter decisions. Caused the Eagles injuries or not.
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  Speaker 1: Caused the Eagles that game last week. I think the
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  Speaker 1: NFC East is wide open. And anybody has a chance
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  Speaker 1: to win it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you know.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we were talking about. Right.
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  Speaker 2: One more thing on the Bears. I hope Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 2: rocks the sweater. I mean, he's got to do that
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  Speaker 2: in honor of Mike Ditka, right?
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  Speaker 1: He started his press conference by honoring Ditka in his
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: remarks yesterday. So he might do that. I don't know.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I could tell you one thing. I don't like to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: label him great after a year and four games. But
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Coach Johnson... is on his way to having that label
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: as a great coach. He's not there yet because everybody,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: we all in sports, always jerk reaction, start giving somebody
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the label way before they deserve to receive that level.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you one thing, Alex, he is one
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: hell of a coach. And I mean, it doesn't matter
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: if Case Keenum's the quarterback, if Caleb Williams is the quarterback,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: if Badgen's the quarterback, he's got a great, he's a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: great offensive mind. And Alex, if you don't have an
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: offensive coach as your head coach nowadays, you're missing the boat.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And we'll just go, we'll just, go across the locker
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: room at MetLife Stadium to the Jets. They were pathetic
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: last week. That was embarrassing after three weeks of positive results,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: even though they lost a couple of games. Alex, they
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: had the ball for 45 seconds in the fourth quarter.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: How is that possible? They had 32 plays. The Bears
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: had 34 first downs.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Well, Lulee got their first interception in forever, so that's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: a win, right?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Interception? They had four interceptions this week. Three of them
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: called back by penalty. The only thing that flattered the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Jets last week, Alex, was the fact that the score
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: was only 23-12. It was more like 55-7. And it was.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It was more like 55-7.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And that's without Caleb. That's the crazy part, right? I mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: that's with Badgeant and Keenum. He actually was rotating these
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: guys mid-game.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if, of course, you want your best
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: player in there. But I think Johnson is so good
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: an offensive coach.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. Look what they did to the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Eagles last Monday night. They kicked their butt. They kicked
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the Jets' butt. The Jets were embarrassing on Sunday. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, Aaron Glenn is the head coach,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and now this year he's the defensive coordinator. Well, he's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: doing a terrible job as head coach, and he's doing
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a terrible job as coordinator. I'm telling you, Alex, I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: cannot believe that he can... Give his job. This... disaster
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of a season without getting fired. I really don't. He
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: might get fired mid-season. And you know what the Dallas
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Cowboys did on Thursday night? They probably saved Todd Bowles'
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: job for a couple of weeks.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I want to get to a team that's... I can't
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: believe I'm saying this because I didn't think they would be, what,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: three wins in? And Tom Munkin, talking about an offensive
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: guy who was supposed to be Here are the Giants,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: takes the Browns job, has a three, has them up
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: in the division of the AFC North. They should beat
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the Jets tomorrow.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You know, tomorrow's an interesting game, obviously. They know that
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they have a winnable game tomorrow on the road. Munkin's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: done a great job. And Alex, Deshaun Watson, here's a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: guy who, my God, didn't play for two years, had
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: all kinds of problems, and he's done a nice job.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Ed Munkin is a tough guy. You don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: mess around with him. And he actually interviewed for the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Jets head coaching job in 2019 when they gave it
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to the incompetent Adam Gaze. Just think, Alex. Just think.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The last three Jets coaches, Adam Gaze, Robert Sala, Aaron Glenn.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Can't make this up. And don't blame Woody, because for
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, Woody was in England. He wasn't here.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's true. And with Aaron Glenn, you know, he was
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: part of Jets lore as a great cornerback and all that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. But you got to separate his playing excellence from
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: his coaching incompetency.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, speaking of Aaron Glenn, I'm thinking
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: about the Lions. And I've always thought Dan Campbell was
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: not the same when all of his guys literally left
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the coaching staff to go head coach somewhere. But he's
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: holding on. I mean, this team could do something this year.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I see the Bears are playing on Thanksgiving against Detroit,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: so maybe I'll fly out there. We'll have to see
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: about that. I've never been to a Thanksgiving game in Detroit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I've never been to a Thanksgiving game in Detroit.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I was here when the Jets had them against Cincinnati
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: in 2010. I was there for that one. That was
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: very cool.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Detroit's offense is Super Bowl level. Their defense is Toilet
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Bowl level. I mean, their defense is terrible. And, I mean,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Carolina had no problem scoring at will on Sunday night.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Their offense is outstanding.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And Campbell's always a risky guy, you know, so I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: think that risk helps him. You mentioned Salah real fast,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and that was the other coaching difference we saw. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: he went for that field goal in the pouring rain.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: That cost him the game right there, I think.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was definitely a contributing factor in the Titan-Giant
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: game in that pouring rain when it was 6-0 and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he decided to kick a 59-yard field goal attempt in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that pouring rain. That was just a bad decision.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: All right, let's stay in Chicago because that series, we'll
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: get to the Yankees in a second, but to keep
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: it current, the Guardians-White Sox turns out to be a
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: very interesting series. I think the White Sox could be
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: in trouble. I mean, they just lost two at home.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: They should lose tonight, right? What are you thinking?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Anything can happen in one game. If you are going
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to force me to pick one, and I really don't
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: want to, yes, the Guardians probably have the edge. I mean,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Williams is pitching. I know he pitched the other night,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of innings. But again, Alex, these guys go
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: two innings now. It's not like the old days. It's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: not like John Smoltz against Jack Morris in Game 7
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: back in 1991. Yeah. But I think the White Sox
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: have a chance to win. One of the things, you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the White Sox can hit, but they also are a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: big swing and miss team. I mean, in the two
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: home games, they struck out 31 times in the two
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: home games. I thought they would win one of the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: two home games and wrap up the series. But, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: either one of them is going to be a huge
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: underdog to the Tampa Bay Rays, who have proven themselves
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: from day one. They are clearly the best team in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a watered-down American League in 2026. They really are.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I think we should go back to the World Series
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: when all is said and done.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And I think they can win against any of the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: National League winners. I think they're that good.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's the 2020 rematch, and I'm saving the Yanks for
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the last part of this conversation. I've got to dive
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: into it. The NLCS is what we thought it would be. Brewers, Dodgers,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: that's the matchup everybody was waiting for. Mizoroski versus Los Angeles.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: The Dodgers, I think they still have an edge going
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: into this because of the Dodgers. I mean, the Brewers
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: had to become a little bit of an underdog, no?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: For the second straight year, Milwaukee has home field advantage
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: in the championship series. Last year, they got swept. I think, Alex,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: game one, again, is so important for Milwaukee, not so
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: much for the Dodgers. Because if the Dodgers win, whether
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: they pound them or win in a methodical 4-2 type game,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think it gets into Milwaukee's head. So I think
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night is really critical for the Brewers. That's just
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: my opinion. But the Dodgers aren't the same Dodgers, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you still can't beat them. They're nicked up. They're banged up.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: The production's not as good as it was last year,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: but they're still the Dodgers.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And we'll see. Are they on TBS or Fox? I
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: don't even know which one it is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: The NL is on Fox. Tomorrow night's on Fox News.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the original and during the week FS1. And I think
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: next weekend, either FS1 or Fox and the AL, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: starts Monday night is on, is on TBS.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, Brian Anderson is doing an incredible job
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: at TBS. I always love listening to him call a game.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Like he's just got something.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest Brian Anderson fan, but it's funny
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you say that. Cause I was watching, I was watching
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the games obviously. And he was, he had an excellent series,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, he was excellent. He was, Outstanding
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: draw by Brian Anderson.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And Ron Darling, of course, in Cleveland series. All right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the debrief because the Yanks, again, out
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of its 17th season. And my first big critique for
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the Yankees is where was Anthony Volpe for games one
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and two? You opt for jazz. And I get maybe
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: analytics said so. But Volpe was having a better year
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: coming into that after his call up back to the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: major comfort level at second base. I mean, not running
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: with Volpe until game three was a vital mistake. I think.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, as I've said, I don't know the criticism
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: on Volpe being so strong the last two years. Uh,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I get the first time they started him lefty-righty and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: didn't start him. But I agree. He should have probably
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: played more. And, you know, again, he was three for
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: seven against Tampa. He's got that. edge to him. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the Yankees don't have edge, Alex. I mean, that's one thing.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: They don't have the killer instinct. And that includes Judge
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: when he's playing. And, you know, missing 96 games again
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: this year. And let's just talk about Judge for a second.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Then we'll talk about some of the other guys. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer. But Alex, if Tani didn't
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: switch leagues, he would only have one MVP, not three.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: You know, he won the last two years when Tani
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: went to the Dodgers. Does Aaron Judge have that I'll
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: cut your heart killer instinct? Like a LeBron James, a
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, who I saw first up every night. Those
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: got a Jordan. They will cut a Kobe. They'll cut
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: your heart out to win.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Even Jeter had that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yes, absolutely. You got that right. Jeter
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: had that. And I don't know. This team has holes, Alex.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Who's going to be their first baseman next year? Are
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they going to make Ben Rice their permanent first baseman?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Or is he still going to be DH and first base?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I know he's caught in the past. You can't even
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: talk about that because you don't want catching to take
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: wear and tear off of his great offensive ability.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think you give Luis Garcia Jr. a fuller year
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and see what happens with him at first.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: That's probably going to be. That's what's probably going to happen.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: At second base, is it going to be Volpe or
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: is it going to be somebody else? It's not going
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to be Jazz Chisholm. On that shortstop, are we 100%
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: sure that they didn't rush Lombard? Did Lombard need a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: little more time down?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he actually had an okay postseason. He hit okay,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, I agree. These are question marks. Ryan McMahon.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Spencer Jones, where does he end up?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Did they rush him up? A lot of swing and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: miss with Spencer Jones. Trent Grisham, he ain't coming back.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: He's gone. So they need a center fielder. And we
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: know Bellinger can play center field in a pinch. But,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, at this stage, he's lost a little range.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And he's a terrific left fielder. So they'll keep him
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in left. Yeah, so there's a lot of Yankee questions.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: The one question the Yankees don't have, which a lot
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of other teams have, and the Yankees don't have this,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: they have the best pitching staff in baseball. And that's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: not going to change next year unless guys get hurt.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I think Cole's going to be better and sharper in 27.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I think he'll be fully recovered. Rodon probably the same
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: because he also had been beat up. But Slitler was great.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: He was unbelievable again this year, even though he was
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: injured a little bit. You've got a solid core. It's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: just what happens now at third. And where does Cabby
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: play in all this, right? Because that was the big
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: question is, where does Cabby grow from it? You know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't know.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Is he the second baseman? Is he part of a trade?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Is Volby part of a trade? I don't know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even know the free agency right now coming
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: into this year. I don't even know because... It's.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Not a great free agent class. Of course, Struble is
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the big free agent. But after that, there really isn't.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And of course, we don't know how long the work
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: stoppage is going to be. That's the other thing.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Well, let's get to that. Picking your postseason opponent, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: don't really know where that came from, but I think
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: it's kind of ridiculous.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a gimmick, Alex, Alex, it's a gimmick. Um, I,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I do like the fact that they want
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to bring it down to 154, uh, give some, give
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the guys a couple of extra days off during the week. Um, uh,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I do like the fact that they want to bring
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the division series to best of seven. So I do
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like that, but that pick your opponent is, you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that that's, that's ridiculous. Um, but, uh, We'll see what happens,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: but getting back to the Yankees and, you know, Yankee
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: fans and Yankee fans crack me up. You know that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: they crack me up, Alex. Well, I'm not here.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: To stop either, but I will say judge standing by
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Boone is very indicative of where they're going to stay
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: with coming to 2027.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You are 100% correct there. The fact that the best
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: player in the league, the best player on their team
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: has the manager's back. Um, is good for the manager. And, uh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: so we'll, we'll know soon if Boone is going to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: be back or not. I'm sure he will be, but, uh, um,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: judge also saying the other day that any part of
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a world series team moving forward has to have Anthony
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Volpe as part of that team. So he isn't, he's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: pushing his power as the best player on the team.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Um, And he's not wrong. He had the grand slam
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in 24. The only reason he fell short was because
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that injury in 25, where he dove for that ball
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: in May of 25. I was there for that. Other
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: than that, he's come back with a vengeance. And I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: think he needs to be on this team in the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: starting lineup in 2027 at second base. But you also
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: mentioned the Boris factor with him, right? So we'll see
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: where that comes into play.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, there's a Boris factor, and that changes a lot
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of dynamics in player team management discussions. But just getting back,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: like I said, Yankee fans were dumping on Hal Steinbrenner
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and Cashman. And if you listen to some of these
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yankee callers, you would think the Yankees haven't been over
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: 500 since 1970. Meanwhile, it's just it's unbelievable to me.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And the Yankees have paid four billion dollars. during this
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: 17-year drought in player salaries. That's just player salaries, $ 4 billion.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It doesn't include the best training facility. They probably have
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the best analytic people, the best scouts. The Yankees still
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: have a lot of old-time, and I don't mean that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: they're old as far as age goes, but conventional scouts.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Old-school guys, exactly. So, Louie, and look, you know, not
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: only that, but they just have... And now they have
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: an investor. They have Apollo management coming in to maybe
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: fix things up or something. I don't know what they're
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: going to exactly do. I hear the Steinmaners have less
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of a stake now than they did prior to the year.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what that all means. But maybe
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Apollo is going to come in and change things too.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: We don't know yet how that's going to look. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it is worth noting.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It is worth noting, yeah. I don't know what kind
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: of influence they'll have. But yes, it's definitely worth noting.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, they keep spending. And they obviously
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: gave that nine-year contract to Judge because you had to.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You couldn't let him go to the Bay.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And on the other side, I feel bad for the guy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I feel bad for him because the Yanks need to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: give this guy a ring. I mean, if he doesn't
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: get a ring, he will not be ranked up there
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: with the legends because he didn't have the ring. Am
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I right in that or what?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I think talking about a player's individual career, if he
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a ring, his greatness, his legacy, That's the
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: way I see it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Great. A legendary right-hander. Let's see. Greatest right-hander there in
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yankee history. Okay, Joe DiMaggio. Who's second? Aaron Judge?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, in the power regard, I would agree with
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: that one. Although it'd be sort of like Mattingly-like, right?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Because Mattingly went down without winning a ring, and yet
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: he's considered one of the all-time greats.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. He had five of the greatest seasons that any
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: major league could possibly have. You know, and the fact
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that they put these other guys in the Hall of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Fame and don't put him in is mind-boggling to me.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And he also had the back injury, which depleted his
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: time a little bit, but.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Mattingly, the Cora situation with Philly,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: they may not bring him on. He doesn't want the job.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, where does Philly go? And it doesn't look
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like there's a main opening in the Bronx, but does
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Mattingly still stay in baseball somewhere?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a feeling that the Cora rejection of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the Phillies, saying he's not going to manage anywhere in 2027...
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that's 100%. I wouldn't be surprised
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: if he comes in mid-season and manages somewhere. But I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: think that puts Don Manningly... back into the Phillies mix. Remember,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: his son's a general manager of the Phillies. So that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: got to help him a little bit. If Manningly wants
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to come back. And, you know, we've heard yes and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: no stories on that. So.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: The one last thing about the Yankees that I think
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: everybody's pissed about is the fundamentals. And I think that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the big issue here is why do they keep exiting
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the playoffs so early? Cause they have no fundamentals that
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: managing is that all around coaching. I mean, it's, or
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: is it just a player mentality? I, you know, if
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I'm jazz Chisman, I get the ball in a slow roller.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not throwing it where he threw it. I'd hold
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: onto the ball and just not throw it anywhere. Again,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I can't blame Austin Wells for running the third in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a crucial situation. That's your only opportunity tonight. And you
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: see the ball rolling around the corner. I'm going for it, too. Like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I can't fault him for that. You can't blame him
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: because that's the night.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on everything you said, except the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Wells thing. He should have stopped that second. He should
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: have because it was only one nothing, you know, at
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that point. But you're right. Is it is it the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: coach's fault? during spring training, do they ignore fundamentals? And yes,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: there's been enough scouting reports that say, oh, the Yankees
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: will give us extra outs. Dodgers famously two years ago,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the Yankees will give us extra outs. And you certainly
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to give a team like the Dodgers extra outs. So,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and they play the team just the opposite of them
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in Tampa, where it's all about fundamentals. And, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: The last, the three remaining teams in the AL playoffs,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: including the two tonight. Cleveland, the 27th largest payroll. Tampa,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the 28th. The White Sox, the 29th. Think about that. Milwaukee,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the 19th. So, you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I get your point there. And they're winning scrappily.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not, they're, yeah. And that's the other thing.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: At least this team. show that they can win without
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the long ball every night. Like they showed scrappiness. I mean,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they won a lot of three, nothing, two, nothing, three,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: one games. I mean, they didn't not win the close ones. And.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Was it happiness, Alex, or was it their incredible pitching staff? Alex,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the Yankees pitching staff this year is not getting enough
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: credit for every night out. They didn't throw a stiff
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: out there one night.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: At all.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: No.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And I know, I thought that was an interesting question
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to David Cohn. Kay asked him, you know, does that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: put pressure on the pitcher? And I think it does.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, they relied on them so much
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that I think it would get to these guys to, like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: be pressured to just perform every night.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. No question.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But they did it. And even Sam, in that wild
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: card game, 117 pitches. It's just... It may not be
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a managerial thing. It's a cultural thing. That's the problem
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: that I'm seeing with the Yankees.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: It's a cultural thing. Even Monday night, when Schlittler didn't
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: have his best stuff, with all those errors behind him,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay had all those scoring opportunities, and they didn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: score against Schlittler. They were 0 for 10. Cam held
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: them for 0 for 10. Schlittler's a great pitcher. He's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: going to win the Cy Young.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: And they better keep him. They can't trade him. They
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: better keep him.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Alex, don't even think about that. That's not happening. He's there.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of arms, you mentioned Scooble, and it brought
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: me to this other question. Mets are one of the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: top three in the running for him because, obviously, they
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: can afford him.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: But imagine they get him, and then another... Do you
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: think it's worth spending on Scooble, or what? Should the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Mets get him?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's... I really don't. Um... He was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: hurt during the season this year. It depends on the term.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: That's what happens.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Probably dropping money on Lindor and Soto. I don't think
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: they want to keep spending money on these guys that
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: are not producing a championship yet.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't ask for more what Soto has done
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: for the Mets these last two years. I mean, you can't.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And only one team wins a championship.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And I think I saw he had 40 homers this year, right?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Or something like that. Or was that last year? One
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of the years.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He had 28, 27, 28. He would have hit 40
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: if he didn't miss, you know, or they missed 60 games.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: 60 games.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see what happens with all this.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of Freddie Peralta. He was on the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Mets to begin the year. Now he's in the ALCS
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: with the Rays. Just maybe a better situation for him.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Is that what it was?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Again, Freddie Peralta, his issues, they were saying that, you know, Snyder,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay coach, changed his arm ankle. Yeah, that's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: all well and good. But Freddie Peralta's had a successful
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: career before he got to the Mets. And the fact
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that he was so terrible for the Mets, that's on
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Freddie Peralta. Yes, the Mets coaching staff might have been
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: able to make some kind of adjustments. But here's a
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: guy who won 17 games last year for Milwaukee. You know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: some of the players have to be responsible. That's just
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: my take on it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see. And is Senga your closer?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Milwaukee, is Devin Williams back to that? Or
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: is Senga your closer? What are they going to do
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that Senga is going to be the closer,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: even though he did show closing ability, which surprised everybody.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be Devin Williams, or they might get
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: somebody else along with Devin Williams, who's on contract for
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: another year. I don't know what they're going to do
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: with Senga. I know he's a star. but maybe he'll
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: be a set. I mean, he, he actually did terrific
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: when they put him in the bullpen, which I was
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: shocked that they did. All right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you the burning question of the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: day then, because they don't fire him now, but you
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: is judges is, is Boone not on a hot seat
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: in 27 at all? I guess he got a free pass.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Is this, you know, I mean, I feel like he's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: never going to be on the hot seat here.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Well, if he's, If he's not in the hot seat now, Alex,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be on the hot
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: seat next year. You know, maybe this next week we'll
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: find out that DeAnke is going to make a move.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I do not think he'll quit. But he was a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: broken man. If you watch the press conference after game three,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: he was a tired man. That took a lot out
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of him. And you only have so many years for that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And I know he's not an old man. He's a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: young man. But that, you could see how much it
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: took out of him. So he just might say, time
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to move on. I'll take a year off. I'll go
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: back to broadcasting for a year or two. Or he'll
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: just stick it out.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Is it possible the Angels are still waiting on someone
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Manigero changes elsewhere to see who becomes free. Because nothing's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: been announced at all.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I doubt that very much. I would doubt that, Alex.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: They're waiting to see somebody else loosen up. I really would.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But if he doesn't get fired in the next 10
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: days or resigns, then he's going to be there. It's
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: not going to happen in the middle of January.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't because they have to get back to
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: spring training a month from now. All right. One last thing.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You're not a fan of the Yankees, but in these situations,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: would you rather lose to the champion, right? That's what
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: they always say. So you'd want the race to go
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: on and win the whole thing.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Well, the fact that I'm not a Yankee fan is,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: like I always say, I'll always talk objectively about the Yankees. Alex,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: when you lose, you lose. You know, when I was
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: with the Nets... We lost to the champions three straight years.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Did it make me feel any better?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: It didn't.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It didn't. You know, twice in the finals and once
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to Detroit in the conference semifinals. And Detroit beat the
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Lakers that year. No. To me, it doesn't.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy team, too. Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing was just.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: That was a crazy team. That was a good team,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and they were well-coached by Larry Brown.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see, Louie. And as things move
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: forward with the series, I don't want to believe that
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers win it all. It's going to be the lockout.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I want to believe that they lose. We still have
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a chance of not a lockout, but maybe there's no difference.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know anymore.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right. I don't know. I would like
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to see Tampa win. I really would. They play the ball.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I hate to use this term in sports. They play
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: the game the right way, but they do. And so
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: does Milwaukee. So it would be nice to see somebody
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: besides the Dodger Blue winning it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It'd be a change of pace, that's for sure. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: it would save the three-peat for the Yankees. Am I
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: right on that? Or is it four-peat now? I'm losing track.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It's a three-peat. It's a three-peat. But even if the
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Dodgers lose this year, either to Milwaukee or to whoever
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: they play in the World Series, they're going to be
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the favorite likelihood in 27.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I want to close out by where we started. Apparently,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Molly Walker is getting comments on Jonathan Quick coming back.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen for the Rangers
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: anytime soon.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I actually just saw that while we were talking. He's retired. Yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: maybe he could come back. But Alex, he's not going
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to be able to play 60 games. But can he
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: come back? Yeah, maybe he would. I'm sure that you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: going to hear a lot of hellabook but it's not
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: going to be hell of.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: A with all these injuries happening. It's amazing that I
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: guess Brown started all five in their opening in their
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: second preseason game. He started all five. Like it was nothing.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: It was kind of interesting, right?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Who was that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Mike Brown started all five in the preseason.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did see that. Yeah. I think what he
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: did was, What he wanted to tell them, we're not
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: goofing around. It's business as usual. And if we want
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to defend our title and become a handful of teams
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to win back-to-back, which is a great accomplishment, we got
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: to work from day one. Party time, SNL appearances, Canyon
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of Hero parades, that's all behind us. It's time to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: work now.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: That's why they came back down from 0-2 to come
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: back and beat the Hawks and go in their run. So,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you know, because that, look, no offense to Thibodeau, that
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: would not have happened. I don't know if they'd rebound
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: that fast under Thibodeau.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: It's just a different culture now.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Well, again, Thibodeau played, the Eastern Conference was a little
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: tougher when Thibodeau coached a little bit, but that's okay.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: You are, you know, you play who's in front of you.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I think this conference is a lot more difficult.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's much tougher this year. It should be, at least
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: on paper. than last year for sure not.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Even because of LeBron I think Giannis going to the
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: heat changes everything too so.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah and uh yeah I mean you know we'll see
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: we'll see we'll see the first couple of months uh how.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: These teams sleeping on Boston but they still got a
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: good team up there I.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Mean yeah I mean I don't understand the trade of
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: uh Jalen Brown for George but we'll see he's a
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: good coach they seem to they seem to know what
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: they're doing um So one last thing. Devils have been inconsistent.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I know we always like to throw in a little
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: other hockey stuff. Devils have been inconsistent the first week
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: of the season. Their goaltending is a major problem so far.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Sheldon Keefe is on the hot seat. The least known
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: New York area coach, Sheldon Keefe, is on the hot seat.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And the cheap shot that Frank Nazar gave on Horvath
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the other night hopefully doesn't keep Horvath out of the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: lineup very long because they're playing without Barzell with the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: knee injury has not played a game yet and Romanov
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: is out for the year another devastating injury the shot
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: on Horvath wasn't he wasn't a dirty player but it
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: was a cheap shot he was suspended two games and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: for the Blackhawks so I just wanted to throw it
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: in there Matthew Schaefer, by the way, he hasn't scored
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a goal yet, but he had to post twice against
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: the Rangers. He's as dominant as... He's irreplaceable for the Islanders,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: even though he's only 19. All right.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: One last thing. It is Columbus Day weekend, and you're
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: a proud Italian, Louis. So, any... I mean, there's so
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: many standout Italian players that played across the board, Esposito
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: and Hockey, right? And then you had Yogi in baseball,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: DiMaggio in baseball, and a lot of these other guys.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: But who was sort of your role model going up sports-wise?
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Well, again, I root for the guys on my team,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: no matter what their ethnic background is. But I would
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: have to say, and I wouldn't say I had any
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: mentors or idols like that. I idoled greatness. And, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: throughout throughout my life as a sports fan. Joe Namath,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't Italian. Seaver, he wasn't Italian. Obviously, I
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: liked Piazza, not because he was Italian, because he was great.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: So just, you know, the name of a few. Jason
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Kidd kept me employed. Jason Kidd kept me employed for
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: another seven years.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, did he ever. They can't take little Italy off
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the map, right, Louie? They can never do that.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not very nice by your mayor. That
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't very nice. But, you know, we got that done.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: And the Columbus statue was still up in Columbus Circle. So,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately, I don't know how good the weather
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: is going to be on Monday, but there'll be the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Columbus Day Parade. And our buddy, Mr. Piscopo, will be
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: broadcasting from there on Monday morning. So it's all good.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: And it must be always a good time to be
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: an Italian-American for you, Lou. And you're going to have
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: a biscotti later today, right?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Well, Alex, this is what I've had so far today.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: For lunch, I had eggplant parmesan sandwich, okay? You can't
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: get more Italian than that. And I'll have a biscotti later.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: There you go. Lou Terminello. Terminello's take here on Columbus
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Day Weekend. One leg up Alex Media. We'll talk to
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you soon right here on this platform.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Alex.