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- 1:11Speaker 2: Chuck, Mike and Tucker with you here on a Friday,
- 1:15Speaker 2: and we've got markets kind of mixed, you know, a
- 1:19Speaker 2: little bit of this, little bit of that. It's kind
- 1:21Speaker 2: of what the action is today. The Dow is off
- 1:24Speaker 2: two hundred and thirteen points, down a little less than
- 1:26Speaker 2: a half percent, Banks in particular being bopped on the
- 1:30Speaker 2: head today by mister Market. We've got the S and
- 1:33Speaker 2: P five hundred up thirteen points day about a quarter percent,
- 1:36Speaker 2: and the Nasdaq can posite up about two thirds of
- 1:39Speaker 2: a percent, or one hundred and forty five points. This
- 1:42Speaker 2: on the back largely of Nvidia and Microsoft rallying today,
- 1:48Speaker 2: and so the gang's back together with the mag seven
- 1:52Speaker 2: names kind of leading the way in what is kind
- 1:54Speaker 2: of a first for this year that has otherwise seen,
- 1:57Speaker 2: you know, kind of more rotation going on in markets.
- 2:01Speaker 2: Otherwise taking a look throughout other markets, the ten year
- 2:04Speaker 2: US Treasury is down one point two basis points to
- 2:07Speaker 2: four point two three nine percent. Mortgage News Daily currently
- 2:11Speaker 2: has the national average four to thirty year fixed rate
- 2:14Speaker 2: mortgages at six point one to nine percent. So back
- 2:17Speaker 2: up a little bit over the last week or so
- 2:20Speaker 2: after dipping down around six percent earlier in the month.
- 2:24Speaker 2: We've also got the dollar index down zero point two
- 2:27Speaker 2: percent today to ninety seven to ninety eight. Gold continuing
- 2:31Speaker 2: its rally to new record highs within sniffing distance now
- 2:36Speaker 2: five thousand for the first time everage at forty nine
- 2:38Speaker 2: to fifty eight and twenty cents an ounce, and silver. Look,
- 2:41Speaker 2: we don't normally talk about it, but you kind of
- 2:43Speaker 2: gotta right now because silver, for the first time ever
- 2:46Speaker 2: just crossed one hundred dollars an ounce. A year ago
- 2:49Speaker 2: it was around thirty dollars. So uh, golly g Willikers.
- 2:53Speaker 2: It's been quite a run for silver, in particular in
- 2:55Speaker 2: the last month or so, but the entire last year.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Crudell I opened to forty five a barrel on West
- 3:01Speaker 2: Texas Intermediate to sixty dollars and eighty one cents triple
- 3:05Speaker 2: a national AVERAGUR gas price is up one point two
- 3:07Speaker 2: cents overnight to two eighty six and two tenths. I
- 3:10Speaker 2: would anticipate those numbers. We'll be moving higher in the
- 3:14Speaker 2: coming days because we're probably gonna have some refinery outages
- 3:17Speaker 2: throughout the Midwest because of the cold that is coming
- 3:20Speaker 2: through this then brings us to our top story for
- 3:24Speaker 2: the day, which is this massive winter storm that is
- 3:29Speaker 2: set to cause all kinds of problems basically from Texas
- 3:35Speaker 2: through the southeast, up into the Midwest, and then finally
- 3:38Speaker 2: exits New England after dumping you know, anywhere from an
- 3:43Speaker 2: inch or so of ice across the southern regions all
- 3:46Speaker 2: the way to you know, pretty much it looks like
- 3:48Speaker 2: everyone from DC through Boston getting eighteen to twenty four
- 3:52Speaker 2: inches of snow. If this thing is accurate, and it's
- 3:57Speaker 2: gonna be messy and there's gonna be power outages disrupttions,
- 4:01Speaker 2: it really could snarl things up for a few days here.
- 4:04Speaker 3: I don't mean to make light of what will certainly
- 4:07Speaker 3: be really difficult for parts of the country that aren't
- 4:10Speaker 3: prepared for this, But does anybody else get as excited
- 4:12Speaker 3: about a giant snowstorm as I do? No, No, Tucker,
- 4:15Speaker 3: doesn't I.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Get excited about like snow at my house and everything? Yeah, yeah,
- 4:20Speaker 2: I still enjoy that. Like, you know, you get those
- 4:23Speaker 2: couple feet of snow and it's it's, you know, pretty
- 4:25Speaker 2: easy to be like, Okay, I'm like, you know, ten
- 4:27Speaker 2: years old again, and you just want to go outside
- 4:29Speaker 2: and throw snowballs at each other and stuff like that.
- 4:32Speaker 2: I get that precisely.
- 4:34Speaker 3: Yeah, And plus I get to see it through my
- 4:36Speaker 3: kid's eyes, who are just itching for a snow day
- 4:39Speaker 3: on Monday, and I think you might get it. So yeah,
- 4:42Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about it. Heading to the store to
- 4:45Speaker 3: make sure that snowblowers all gassed up.
- 4:47Speaker 2: And ready to go.
- 4:48Speaker 3: So yeah, pretty pumped and sore.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Here's what we're looking at in terms of ice throughout
- 4:54Speaker 2: the southern part of the country. There is a high
- 4:59Speaker 2: probability of it least a quarter inch of ice in
- 5:02Speaker 2: these areas Dallas, Shreveport, Nashville. Atlanta's borderline, which again like
- 5:09Speaker 2: Atlanta right now is you could get like a tenth
- 5:10Speaker 2: of an inch all the way up to three quarters
- 5:12Speaker 2: of an inch. Charlotte is right in the middle of it.
- 5:14Speaker 2: They're gonna get hit Washington, DC. Probably not that much ice,
- 5:17Speaker 2: but a ton of snow. So that's kind of what
- 5:19Speaker 2: you're looking at. There's just these bands that basically stretch
- 5:22Speaker 2: from like Dallas to Nashville and then Atlanta through kind
- 5:26Speaker 2: of Richmond, Virginia. In terms of you know this heavy ice,
- 5:30Speaker 2: and that's the stuff that look, here's the deal. If
- 5:34Speaker 2: Atlanta and Charlotte actually end up getting you know, half
- 5:37Speaker 2: an inch or so of ice, you will have travel
- 5:40Speaker 2: snarled throughout the United States for probably the better part
- 5:43Speaker 2: of next week. Atlanta is the biggest Delta hub. Charlotte
- 5:47Speaker 2: is I think the biggest American hub, maybe the second biggest.
- 5:52Speaker 2: But either way, you're talking about major ones there. If
- 5:55Speaker 2: Dallas ends up getting it as well, you've basically got
- 5:58Speaker 2: you know, the trifect there. You're talking now about, you
- 6:03Speaker 2: know again another major hub that is going to be
- 6:07Speaker 2: you know, really hit hard there. So that's what you're
- 6:11Speaker 2: looking at from a travel perspective. When it comes to
- 6:13Speaker 2: the heavy snow. Oklahoma City is projected to get eighteen
- 6:18Speaker 2: inches of snow right now, Does Oklahoma City ever get
- 6:23Speaker 2: any snow?
- 6:25Speaker 3: I'm not familiar enough to tell you, Chuck, I don't
- 6:27Speaker 3: think they did.
- 6:28Speaker 2: See that.
- 6:28Speaker 3: Minneapolis was negative twenty one this morning though.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Yes, Minneapolis is negative twenty one. So it's it's just
- 6:34Speaker 2: really cold basically anywhere you know, down to Nashville at
- 6:38Speaker 2: this point. And then this this path of eighteen inches
- 6:42Speaker 2: of snow basically goes from Oklahoma City through you know,
- 6:47Speaker 2: kinda just north of Nashville, Cincinnati area, all the way
- 6:52Speaker 2: through like d C, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh. You know, obviously Buffalo
- 6:57Speaker 2: is gonna get like forty six feet of snow somehow,
- 7:00Speaker 2: and then you know, finishing up in New York and
- 7:02Speaker 2: Boston with potentially getting eighteen to twenty four inches of
- 7:04Speaker 2: snow there as well. So in looking at this, the
- 7:09Speaker 2: big things that I'm I'm watching are look like does
- 7:13Speaker 2: this actually happen because a lot of these areas like
- 7:15Speaker 2: Nashville does not have plows to deal with eighteen inches
- 7:19Speaker 2: of snow. New No, you know, Rowan Oak does not
- 7:22Speaker 2: have plows to deal with eighteen inches of snow. Roley
- 7:26Speaker 2: Durham does not have plows to deal with five inches
- 7:28Speaker 2: of snow. It's this is the kind of stuff when
- 7:31Speaker 2: you talk about, you know, snow days. Oklahoma City might
- 7:33Speaker 2: not have school for a week.
- 7:37Speaker 3: Sorry, it's not funny. I know it's not funny because
- 7:39Speaker 3: people are not well equipped to handle it down there.
- 7:42Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it is going to be ugly.
- 7:47Speaker 3: Gnat gas prices, which were as low as three dollars
- 7:51Speaker 3: ten cents back on January nineteenth, which was what Monday,
- 7:56Speaker 3: are now trading over five dollars and thirty cents in
- 7:59Speaker 3: anticipation and of the stress on the grid that you're
- 8:02Speaker 3: already seeing in many parts of the country with the
- 8:04Speaker 3: low temperatures.
- 8:05Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma City normally gets nine inches of snow in
- 8:08Speaker 2: a typical year, but almost never gets more than like
- 8:12Speaker 2: three inches at a time. They're not going to know
- 8:16Speaker 2: what to do with eighteen inches of snow. Yeah, Like,
- 8:19Speaker 2: it's just it's going to be a mess. Little Rock,
- 8:22Speaker 2: Arkansas is supposed to get five to twelve inches. They
- 8:29Speaker 2: don't have any plows there. They just don't exist. I mean,
- 8:31Speaker 2: they have plows, but there for you know, planting crops,
- 8:33Speaker 2: not for you know, clearing roads. It doesn't work like that.
- 8:36Speaker 2: They're not the same kind of plow. So this is
- 8:40Speaker 2: gonna be a problem. And you know, you certainly you know,
- 8:44Speaker 2: I can tell you we were out grocery shopping Wednesday
- 8:48Speaker 2: and yesterday just to try to get ahead of this thing.
- 8:51Speaker 2: And even then, like you could sense people starting to
- 8:53Speaker 2: gear up for it. It's, uh, you know, everyone's kind
- 8:56Speaker 2: of you know, trying to just hunker down at this point.
- 8:59Speaker 2: But if you're in one of these areas where you're
- 9:02Speaker 2: not familiar with snow, best thing that you can do.
- 9:06Speaker 2: And look, you've probably seen it occasionally, you know, when
- 9:08Speaker 2: you do get these, you know, smaller storms that come through,
- 9:11Speaker 2: just stay off the roads because there's a lot of
- 9:12Speaker 2: bad drivers out there that don't know how to deal
- 9:14Speaker 2: with it. And the more you can just hunker down
- 9:17Speaker 2: and sit through it, the better off you typically are.
- 9:21Speaker 3: Not you, you're a good driver, but everybody else out
- 9:24Speaker 3: there's pretty bad sod be careful.
- 9:26Speaker 2: It's true to take a quick break. When we return.
- 9:30Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about TikTok. We haven't talked
- 9:32Speaker 2: about them and forever, so we'll discuss TikTok and we've
- 9:35Speaker 2: got trivia next.
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- 11:55Speaker 2: If you could have been a signer to any one
- 11:57Speaker 2: document in human history, which one would you have signed?
- 12:03Speaker 4: Hmhmm cheez.
- 12:07Speaker 2: H Like would you pick the Declaration of Independence? Karta?
- 12:15Speaker 2: H how come?
- 12:18Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I kind of just like the name.
- 12:22Speaker 2: I appreciate the honesty. Yeah, I might go with like,
- 12:29Speaker 2: I don't know, like the uh if I could have
- 12:32Speaker 2: been Gutenberg, like signing the first Bible that was printed,
- 12:37Speaker 2: I think that would be pretty cool. You know, US
- 12:41Speaker 2: Constitution obviously kind of a big one. Also, you know,
- 12:44Speaker 2: I think that's you know, put that one on the list.
- 12:50Speaker 2: I think what else would kind of you know, make
- 12:52Speaker 2: uh make it you know, to the top. I don't know.
- 12:57Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta think that one through a little
- 12:58Speaker 2: bit more. In any case, let's talk to talk. TikTok
- 13:02Speaker 2: has been trying to have its US operations sold to
- 13:06Speaker 2: American investors for how long has this actually been going
- 13:11Speaker 2: on now, Mike.
- 13:13Speaker 3: Let's see, the legislation to ban TikTok was passed in
- 13:17Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, so before that it has been some
- 13:23Speaker 3: time that it's been front and center here.
- 13:25Speaker 2: So the good news is that it does look like
- 13:29Speaker 2: a deal has been signed on this. It still is
- 13:32Speaker 2: unclear to me that this is really the level of
- 13:35Speaker 2: separation that you want from the parent company, and so
- 13:42Speaker 2: it's probably a step forward, but I'll really need to
- 13:44Speaker 2: see how this operates, you know, over the next year
- 13:48Speaker 2: or two, in order to be able to get a
- 13:50Speaker 2: sense of, hey, is there really the level of separation
- 13:53Speaker 2: that you need there? Simply because I'm a big believer
- 13:56Speaker 2: that you don't want a social media app to have
- 13:59Speaker 2: in any way way control over its operations or algorithm
- 14:03Speaker 2: from a foreign country who you can very easily view,
- 14:07Speaker 2: as you know, adversarial in many respects. And so I'm
- 14:12Speaker 2: hopeful that this is a step forward, but I'll need
- 14:15Speaker 2: to see how it actually plays out in reality. With
- 14:17Speaker 2: the governance in order to be able to determine is
- 14:22Speaker 2: this really you know, more than just you know, window
- 14:25Speaker 2: dressing on.
- 14:26Speaker 3: It, right, because a big chunk of it is still
- 14:28Speaker 3: going to be owned by Byte Dance themselves. Another one
- 14:31Speaker 3: fifth of the company is going to still be owned
- 14:34Speaker 3: and controlled by Byte Dance, which is another thirty percent
- 14:38Speaker 3: is going to be controlled by existing Byte Dance TikTok investors,
- 14:43Speaker 3: so probably some with pretty big Chinese government ties. I
- 14:49Speaker 3: know there's a lot to be said about where the
- 14:51Speaker 3: data is stored, but it seems to me that in
- 14:53Speaker 3: a best case scenario, US investors have the ability to
- 15:00Speaker 3: TechEd if and when China is spying on American users
- 15:04Speaker 3: of TikTok or trying to influence things, and can report
- 15:07Speaker 3: it out rather than preventing anything whatsoever. But like you said,
- 15:12Speaker 3: a lot more to be shown here. The other question
- 15:14Speaker 3: is I don't think that anybody is going to sue
- 15:16Speaker 3: over this, but I'm not one hundred percent convinced it
- 15:19Speaker 3: even complies with the law that was passed in twenty twenty.
- 15:22Speaker 3: It might not, like it's it's really unclear. So but
- 15:27Speaker 3: then again, who's going to sue overwrite this?
- 15:29Speaker 2: Right?
- 15:29Speaker 3: Like who's harmed? You know, Facebook would probably like to sue,
- 15:32Speaker 3: but they're not going to draw the ire of the
- 15:34Speaker 3: Trump administration by doing so. And I don't know who
- 15:37Speaker 3: else is harmed by the deal. So yeah, I'm not.
- 15:40Speaker 2: Sure right, I don't even have a TikTok account. You know,
- 15:44Speaker 2: do either of you have a TikTok account? No? No, nope, nope, Yeah, okay, anyways.
- 15:49Speaker 3: So maybe it's yesterday's news. Anyway, the the you know,
- 15:54Speaker 3: the the forward thinking fashion trends of Chuck, Mike, and
- 15:58Speaker 3: Tucker don't have accounts than who does?
- 16:01Speaker 2: It's true, what's the last social media website that you
- 16:04Speaker 2: signed up for? Uh?
- 16:07Speaker 4: Instagram?
- 16:08Speaker 2: I don't have one of those.
- 16:10Speaker 3: Those. I still have Napchat, I might be Snapchat. Yeah,
- 16:14Speaker 3: I still have a Facebook account, but I haven't been
- 16:17Speaker 3: in my Facebook account in five years right now.
- 16:20Speaker 4: Yeah, I like have to have Facebook because it's like
- 16:23Speaker 4: linked to the show yep, So otherwise, like I would
- 16:27Speaker 4: have deleted that long ago. I don't even go on it.
- 16:30Speaker 2: I occasionally, like if if my wife and I like
- 16:32Speaker 2: sitting on the couch and she's like scrolling through her Facebook,
- 16:35Speaker 2: I'll occasionally look over and I commented to her the
- 16:38Speaker 2: other day, I'm like, this isn't even like your friends
- 16:40Speaker 2: that you're seeing. It's just like every other thing is
- 16:43Speaker 2: an AD and the rest of it is just like,
- 16:46Speaker 2: you know, random garbage from random people. And She's like, Yeah,
- 16:49Speaker 2: I really don't like this, but I'm still doing it
- 16:53Speaker 2: just because of you know, kind of reflex.
- 16:55Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
- 16:56Speaker 2: Check?
- 16:56Speaker 3: What about all that pro Russia stuff that's being posted
- 16:58Speaker 3: on your Facebook account? You're not doing that well?
- 17:01Speaker 2: I mean, you caught me yet. In any case, let's
- 17:07Speaker 2: what do we want to talk about here? Do we
- 17:08Speaker 2: want to talk about New York City free childcare? Do
- 17:11Speaker 2: we want to talk about retail investors at smarting Wall Streets?
- 17:14Speaker 2: What's your pick? Michael?
- 17:16Speaker 3: I always like talking about childcare because I'm still scarred
- 17:20Speaker 3: from the cost that the cost overruns that I saw personally.
- 17:24Speaker 3: So how is New York City going to deliver free
- 17:29Speaker 3: child care to two year olds? I would like to
- 17:31Speaker 3: see how they're going to make this one happen because
- 17:33Speaker 3: it sounds expensive in my experience.
- 17:36Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean basically what they are trying to
- 17:40Speaker 2: do is they're going to be trying to roll this
- 17:43Speaker 2: out to about two thousand two year olds as kind
- 17:47Speaker 2: of a pilot program later this year, and they've committed
- 17:52Speaker 2: to spending one hundred million dollars to help fund some
- 17:55Speaker 2: additional seats for three year olds as well. But ultimately, look,
- 18:00Speaker 2: the amount of revenue that's going to be needed to
- 18:02Speaker 2: deal with this is significant, which in my mind means
- 18:06Speaker 2: you have to do one of two things, cut other
- 18:08Speaker 2: services somewhere or raise additional revenue through new taxes, fees,
- 18:12Speaker 2: or something else. And that's how you you know, would
- 18:16Speaker 2: end up getting there. Now. Ultimately, look, you might decide,
- 18:21Speaker 2: as you know, whether you're the mayor of New York City,
- 18:23Speaker 2: whether you are you know, city council member, and you
- 18:25Speaker 2: know some other town, whatever it might be, you might
- 18:27Speaker 2: decide that's what you want to do. Ultimately, Look, we've
- 18:31Speaker 2: raised taxes in you know, property taxes largely you know,
- 18:34Speaker 2: to pay for schools for you know, K through twelve, uh,
- 18:38Speaker 2: you know, fire police, you know, other services like that.
- 18:40Speaker 2: But schools make up in many cases the biggest or
- 18:44Speaker 2: second biggest chunk of most city and town budgets. And
- 18:48Speaker 2: so if you're simply saying, look, I want to basically
- 18:50Speaker 2: extend that for you know, another couple of years. That's
- 18:54Speaker 2: a decision that places can make, but it's likely going
- 18:57Speaker 2: to come with higher taxes or reduced other services in
- 19:02Speaker 2: order to get it done.
- 19:04Speaker 3: No doubt. I mean, in places like Boston and New York,
- 19:07Speaker 3: if you have more than one child, you probably need
- 19:10Speaker 3: to be pulling in six figures to justify paying for
- 19:12Speaker 3: childcare in the area.
- 19:14Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean you're talking. You know, the cost
- 19:17Speaker 2: in those high cost of living areas is easily you know,
- 19:21Speaker 2: twenty to thirty thousand dollars per year, which you need
- 19:24Speaker 2: to get to in terms of after tax income. Quick
- 19:27Speaker 2: break here. When we come back, we get the trivia
- 19:29Speaker 2: answer and Wall Street Watches.
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- 21:03Speaker 4: Nvidia's ability to sell in the Chinese market. Neil Capital
- 21:07Speaker 4: One missed expectations for adjust at earnings in the previous
- 21:10Speaker 4: quarter and raised its credit loss provisions. The credit card
- 21:14Speaker 4: company also announced it agreed to buy financial technology company
- 21:17Speaker 4: Brex for just over five billion dollars in cash and stock.
- 21:22Speaker 4: Capital One stock is down by six percent in Clorox
- 21:26Speaker 4: reaffirmed its fiscal year outlook and said it would buy
- 21:29Speaker 4: purel maker Gojo Industries for two point twenty five billion dollars.
- 21:34Speaker 4: Clorox shares a climbing over two percent. I'm Tucker Silva
- 21:37Speaker 4: and that is Wall Street Watch. And in the previous
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- 22:02Speaker 2: Mike, we skip ahead and talk about the best and
- 22:04Speaker 2: worst airlines of twenty twenty five.
- 22:07Speaker 3: Yes we can.
- 22:08Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal puts this out every year they go
- 22:12Speaker 2: through these rankings, and Delta has won for the last
- 22:16Speaker 2: four years running twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, and
- 22:18Speaker 2: twenty four. But for twenty twenty five, we have a
- 22:22Speaker 2: new champion in the Wall Street Journal Top Airline rankings,
- 22:26Speaker 2: and that champion is Southwest. Did you have this on
- 22:32Speaker 2: your Bengo card?
- 22:33Speaker 3: Mic, No, you know they've taken a lot of flak
- 22:36Speaker 3: recently for all the changes that they've been making to
- 22:40Speaker 3: their branding and just fees and charges and how they
- 22:45Speaker 3: sell themselves as an airline. I don't think anybody's been
- 22:48Speaker 3: paying terribly close attention to their on time rates and
- 22:51Speaker 3: the other factors that are taken into consideration for best
- 22:53Speaker 3: and worst airlines by the Wall Street Journal. But they
- 22:58Speaker 3: had some really really bad performance issues. I think it
- 23:02Speaker 3: was back in twenty twenty three that contributed them to
- 23:05Speaker 3: them dropping to the number four spot and taking the
- 23:09Speaker 3: top seed this year next to by the way, one
- 23:13Speaker 3: that I did not have Bengo card, which was Allegiant Air,
- 23:17Speaker 3: which is a very discount airline. My cousin actually flies
- 23:20Speaker 3: for them, but I did not expect to see them
- 23:22Speaker 3: anywhere in the top few. But again, when you're ranking
- 23:25Speaker 3: these based on lost bags and delays and cancelations, these
- 23:29Speaker 3: two are apparently dominating the space and unseating Delta for
- 23:33Speaker 3: the top airline.
- 23:34Speaker 2: Yeah, the big thing, So let's talk Delta. Delta still
- 23:38Speaker 2: ranking best for on time arrivals. They ranked third in
- 23:44Speaker 2: extreme delays. They were fifth in terms of mishandled baggage.
- 23:48Speaker 2: That's kind of where they've always ranked in that area,
- 23:51Speaker 2: Delta and Allegiant tying for the lowest rate of involuntary bumping.
- 23:54Speaker 2: But Delta where they really fell this year two hour
- 23:57Speaker 2: plus tarmac delays. They fell from the third run airline
- 24:00Speaker 2: to the fifth ranked one there and then also dropping
- 24:05Speaker 2: from second to fourth in terms of canceled flights. This
- 24:09Speaker 2: is my annual reminder that these things are often volatile
- 24:13Speaker 2: and based just on where bad weather happens in any
- 24:15Speaker 2: particular year. So as an example, if a couple of
- 24:18Speaker 2: years ago, big snowstorm hits you know, love Field in
- 24:20Speaker 2: Texas Southwest, which is you know, that's their main hub.
- 24:24Speaker 2: That's why they their ticker is LUV. By the way,
- 24:26Speaker 2: did you know that Michael I did? Yes, Oh, just
- 24:29Speaker 2: making sure and you know that's why they had, you know,
- 24:32Speaker 2: horrible performance. Then if Atlanta gets hit by this ice
- 24:36Speaker 2: storm here, you know, in two days, and it ends up,
- 24:38Speaker 2: you know, dropping a full inch of ice on the ground,
- 24:42Speaker 2: Delta is going to end up, you know, at the
- 24:43Speaker 2: short end of the stick there, and it's nothing they
- 24:45Speaker 2: can do about. It's just their turn to deal with it.
- 24:48Speaker 2: So you know, some of this is luck of the draw.
- 24:51Speaker 2: The stuff that I think is you know more about
- 24:54Speaker 2: how well you're actually operating? Is the involuntary bumping thing?
- 25:00Speaker 2: I think is just ridiculous. Like the idea that you're
- 25:02Speaker 2: just going to overbook a plane to me is kind
- 25:06Speaker 2: of it's kind of ridiculous. I just don't understand how
- 25:11Speaker 2: you can do that. Like imagine that you went to
- 25:15Speaker 2: a restaurant and you're like, hey, I've got a reservation
- 25:18Speaker 2: at six and they're like, sorry, we're overbooked. Go somewhere else.
- 25:22Speaker 3: But no, they wouldn't say that. They would say, sorry,
- 25:24Speaker 3: we're overbooked. We booked you next Tuesday at three pm.
- 25:27Speaker 3: How's that sound for you?
- 25:28Speaker 2: Yes, can you come back? I don't care. We'll hold
- 25:29Speaker 2: your table for you. Then, well, how do I know
- 25:31Speaker 2: you hold it? You already got rid of this reservation.
- 25:34Speaker 2: So the idea that you just overbook a plane to
- 25:37Speaker 2: me is crazy. I mean, imagine you go on a cruise.
- 25:40Speaker 2: All right, where are we in Rouma seven to twenty?
- 25:43Speaker 2: You walk in? Why is there another family in here? Oh? Sorry,
- 25:47Speaker 2: we're overbooked? Well no, like, why is it okay on
- 25:51Speaker 2: a plane? But it's not okay anywhere else? Is there
- 25:54Speaker 2: anywhere else that over books hotels? No, I can't think
- 26:01Speaker 2: of one off Han Texas at sixty one seven three
- 26:04Speaker 2: six two thirteen eighty five. If you can think of
- 26:06Speaker 2: another business that over books relative to capacity that they have,
- 26:11Speaker 2: I'd be curious if anyone has any ideas. I'm sure
- 26:14Speaker 2: there's one or two that are out there that are
- 26:16Speaker 2: very obvious. But again six one seven three six two
- 26:19Speaker 2: thirteen eighty five.
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- 27:32Speaker 4: the text line says doctor's offices.
- 27:34Speaker 2: Huh uh, I mean, yeah, I could see that in
- 27:38Speaker 2: terms of like you're constantly, you know, kind of running
- 27:40Speaker 2: behind schedule. You know, it's like you talk to any
- 27:44Speaker 2: doctor about like how scheduled their day is, and it's
- 27:46Speaker 2: just like kind of insane.
- 27:47Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, yeah, it's a little bit different. But I
- 27:51Speaker 3: do take your point there that they're judged on these
- 27:54Speaker 3: metrics of how quickly they turn over patients and so
- 27:58Speaker 3: they are oftentimes running late. Yeah, that's a fair one.
- 28:02Speaker 2: I don't think any other industry like consistently over books
- 28:06Speaker 2: in the same way.
- 28:08Speaker 4: No, I can't many.
- 28:09Speaker 2: Imagine you show up okay Land, you land on your
- 28:12Speaker 2: overbooked plane and you go to the rental car company, Oh, sorry,
- 28:16Speaker 2: we gave your car away.
- 28:18Speaker 3: Oh. Actually, rental cars have absolutely done that to me
- 28:21Speaker 3: have They absolutely rental cars. So what they might not overbook,
- 28:26Speaker 3: but what they consistently do is show cars that they
- 28:30Speaker 3: don't actually have available on their lots. And I have
- 28:33Speaker 3: on more than one occasion booked a car showed up
- 28:36Speaker 3: and they're just like, yes, sorry, we don't have that.
- 28:39Speaker 4: I just had to get a rent So they do
- 28:41Speaker 4: have a car for you.
- 28:42Speaker 3: No, No, I have don't have any cars right, They're like,
- 28:45Speaker 3: there is no car available for you at this at
- 28:48Speaker 3: this place.
- 28:49Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 28:49Speaker 4: I just had to rent a car and I thought
- 28:51Speaker 4: it was going to be able to get a Jetta
- 28:52Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, we don't have that. Here's this
- 28:55Speaker 4: clown car with the brand I won't name because it
- 28:58Speaker 4: was just awful or RAB four. I was like, give
- 29:02Speaker 4: you the RAB four and you're covering the fifteen dollars
- 29:05Speaker 4: up charge for it because I'm not getting in that
- 29:07Speaker 4: clown car.
- 29:08Speaker 2: Nope, can I can I make a guess? Sure?
- 29:11Speaker 3: Suzuki close Mitsubishi.
- 29:16Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 29:18Speaker 2: I was like, this thing's gonna blow away, it away?
- 29:21Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's gotta just float away into the New
- 29:25Speaker 4: England wind. There goes Tucker and the Mitchibishi floating away the.
- 29:31Speaker 2: Smallest car possible. Let's take a quick break here and uh,
- 29:37Speaker 2: when we come back, we're gonna be joined by Paul
- 29:38Speaker 2: Monica from Barons talking about the the Dow Jones Transportation Index.
- 29:44Speaker 2: Right after this.
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- 30:22Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, the weekend.
- 30:31Speaker 2: As promised from now joined by Paul Lamonica from Barons,
- 30:37Speaker 2: and we're talking about his latest piece that's titled Transports
- 30:40Speaker 2: hit New High as a bullish signal for the market. Paul,
- 30:43Speaker 2: how you doing today.
- 30:45Speaker 1: Good.
- 30:45Speaker 2: Thanks, how you guys doing doing well? So talk to
- 30:47Speaker 2: us a little bit about the crux of this piece here.
- 30:51Speaker 5: Yeah, transportation stocks. We're talking about railroads, airlines, shipping companies,
- 30:59Speaker 5: you know, FedEx, you, yes, even Uber which is now
- 31:01Speaker 5: part of the Dow Jones transportation average. There is this
- 31:07Speaker 5: theory that you know, Charles Dow of Dow Jones fame
- 31:11Speaker 5: of you know, created called the doubt theory that you know,
- 31:15Speaker 5: if you were to see transportation stocks hitting highs at
- 31:20Speaker 5: the same time as the broader Dow Jones industrial average,
- 31:24Speaker 5: that that's a confirmation signal of.
- 31:27Speaker 2: A bull market. Because if the transportation.
- 31:30Speaker 5: Companies are doing well at the same time that the
- 31:33Speaker 5: broader Dow industrials are, it potentially shows that the economy
- 31:38Speaker 5: is you know, on solid footing, and that should be
- 31:41Speaker 5: good news for corporate profits and consumer spending and the like.
- 31:46Speaker 5: And that's exactly what we're seeing today. Notwithstanding, but yesterday
- 31:50Speaker 5: the Dow Jones transports hitting a new record high, the
- 31:53Speaker 5: overall down not that far from an all time high
- 31:56Speaker 5: as well. So I think this tells a good story
- 32:00Speaker 5: about the economy and could bode well for future market returns.
- 32:05Speaker 2: When we look at this, how do we reconcile this
- 32:08Speaker 2: with some of the concern that's been voiced in some
- 32:11Speaker 2: of these earnings reports for transport stocks. Whether we talk
- 32:14Speaker 2: about a couple of the airlines that have reported that
- 32:16Speaker 2: have been a little bit more cautious. Uh, you know,
- 32:19Speaker 2: you talk about FedEx in here. Uh, and uh, you know,
- 32:23Speaker 2: obviously when we look at uh, you know, FedEx, they're
- 32:26Speaker 2: down a couple percent today and have had you know,
- 32:29Speaker 2: kind of an uneven the last couple of years. But
- 32:32Speaker 2: now on the upswing, how do we reconcile you know,
- 32:35Speaker 2: kind of what we're seeing here.
- 32:36Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there still are legitimate concerns about where
- 32:42Speaker 5: the economy is going. The FED meets next week is
- 32:45Speaker 5: probably not going to cut interest rates again, even though
- 32:49Speaker 5: they've done so for you know, a couple of meetings
- 32:52Speaker 5: at the end of last year. Right now, a lot
- 32:56Speaker 5: of people talking about that K shaped economy, and that
- 32:59Speaker 5: problem has helped the airlines to some extent because you know,
- 33:05Speaker 5: more wealthy consumers are probably still traveling, you know, and
- 33:10Speaker 5: I think business travel has been holding up, you know,
- 33:13Speaker 5: relatively well also, But you know, the Dow Jones transportation
- 33:17Speaker 5: average is a very broad look at the transportation sector.
- 33:22Speaker 5: It's not just the airlines. You've got the railroads in there,
- 33:26Speaker 5: and there's a lot of drama going on right now
- 33:30Speaker 5: with the merger potentially between Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern.
- 33:35Speaker 5: CSX did have decent guidance when they reported, you know,
- 33:38Speaker 5: last night at last check, I think the stock was higher.
- 33:41Speaker 5: Definitely opened higher. Might have you know, pulled back a
- 33:45Speaker 5: little bit with the broader market, but you know, there
- 33:47Speaker 5: are some good signs, you know, even though you know
- 33:51Speaker 5: FedEx and ups have some challenges as well.
- 33:55Speaker 2: Paul, appreciate the time today. I hope you have a
- 33:58Speaker 2: fantastic weekend and we'll catch up with you soon.
- 34:02Speaker 5: Great, have a good one, guys.
- 34:03Speaker 2: Thank you. That is Paul Amonica from Baron's talking about
- 34:06Speaker 2: the Dow Jones Transportation Index. Mike, what do we got
- 34:10Speaker 2: that we haven't covered yet today?
- 34:12Speaker 3: I wanted to go back to the airlines really quickly,
- 34:13Speaker 3: because to your point, any one year can be off
- 34:16Speaker 3: about these. When you take a look at the last
- 34:18Speaker 3: five years, Delta Southwest in Alaska by far stand out
- 34:22Speaker 3: as the three best airlines according to this ranking, and
- 34:25Speaker 3: they've consistently been towards the top the worst are also
- 34:31Speaker 3: amazingly consistent. Spirit, Frontier, and jet Blue round out the
- 34:35Speaker 3: absolute worst over the last five years, with Frontier and
- 34:39Speaker 3: jet Blue in particularly shining for that last play spot.
- 34:45Speaker 3: So I just found that to be interesting. And jet Blue,
- 34:48Speaker 3: while it's shown improven for the last two years, has
- 34:50Speaker 3: consistently been a bit of a dumpster fire out there,
- 34:54Speaker 3: and Spirit as well. It'd be interesting to see how
- 34:58Speaker 3: those two shape up given their scale issue that they've
- 35:00Speaker 3: faced over the last few years.
- 35:01Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be it'll be kind of wild to see what,
- 35:06Speaker 2: you know, the next decade of airline trends looks like.
- 35:09Speaker 2: Because again, like you think about it, the two thousands
- 35:12Speaker 2: were defined by the budget carriers coming in and eating
- 35:15Speaker 2: everyone else's lunch. Yeah, and now basically since twenty twenty,
- 35:19Speaker 2: I mean twenty ten, I thought was you know, kind
- 35:20Speaker 2: of just you know, even Stephen like everyone was competing.
- 35:23Speaker 2: But the last five years now, the legacy carriers, because
- 35:25Speaker 2: of their size and also the spending profile of you know,
- 35:29Speaker 2: high income owners targeting you know, those that premium seating,
- 35:33Speaker 2: the legacy guys have been eating the discount guy's lunches,
- 35:37Speaker 2: and it's it's just kind of again, Is this the
- 35:42Speaker 2: way things are going to stay, or are all of
- 35:45Speaker 2: these airlines that are expanding their premium seating right now
- 35:48Speaker 2: are they maybe doing it into the teeth of something
- 35:50Speaker 2: that's going to change over the next five or six years.
- 35:53Speaker 2: It's kind of an interesting way to think about it
- 35:56Speaker 2: in that context, I think. So that's what I got
- 35:59Speaker 2: on it. Apple is going to be revamping Siri as
- 36:02Speaker 2: a built in iPhone Mac chatbot to fend off open AI.
- 36:07Speaker 2: So basically what's happening. Just to make sure I understand properly, Mike,
- 36:12Speaker 2: Apple has agreed to a deal in which they are
- 36:16Speaker 2: going to be using Gemini to power their new Siri
- 36:21Speaker 2: and sounds like it and then their new theory they're
- 36:24Speaker 2: going to try to make basically into a chatbot as
- 36:28Speaker 2: opposed to you know, all voice activated in everything, and
- 36:33Speaker 2: it's going to you can still do you know, the
- 36:36Speaker 2: voice activation, but it sounds like they're going to have
- 36:38Speaker 2: more prompts that are you know, in different apps that
- 36:42Speaker 2: you can use to access it as well, similar to
- 36:45Speaker 2: how a lot of people currently use different AI chatbots
- 36:50Speaker 2: At the moment.
- 36:51Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'm most interested that Apple does actually
- 36:55Speaker 3: feel like they're falling far enough behind here that they
- 36:57Speaker 3: needed to strike this deal. They've been pretty hands off
- 37:01Speaker 3: with anything artificial intelligence related, and I think they must
- 37:06Speaker 3: be seeing enough of a differential between what's serious capable
- 37:10Speaker 3: of versus what some of these I know they're different tools,
- 37:13Speaker 3: but you know these these AI power chatbots are able
- 37:16Speaker 3: to do, and I guess, I guess make the decision
- 37:19Speaker 3: that they needed to make a move on it.
- 37:22Speaker 2: I'm still just trying to see the case for how
- 37:25Speaker 2: AI chat makes average like tech companies any money in
- 37:29Speaker 2: the retail space, like with the with in just like
- 37:32Speaker 2: the personal consumer space. I understand the premise behind Hey,
- 37:37Speaker 2: we can sell this for lots of money to businesses
- 37:39Speaker 2: who want a productivity boost. I just I struggle to
- 37:45Speaker 2: see how this is something that the average person really
- 37:49Speaker 2: wants and needs on a daily basis to the point
- 37:51Speaker 2: where someone can make money off of it for average use.
- 37:54Speaker 3: I mean, the answer has always been advertising, but it
- 37:56Speaker 3: just doesn't make a ton of sense to me there.
- 37:58Speaker 2: It's an expensive way to deliver out advertising. Yeah, markets
- 38:02Speaker 2: remain mixed at the moment. We're done for the day,
- 38:05Speaker 2: done for the week. I'm awfully hungry, to be completely honest,
- 38:10Speaker 2: and uh eagerly anticipating my sandwich. But I hope they
- 38:14Speaker 2: stay safe, stay warm. Hope you all have a great weekend.
- 38:17Speaker 2: We'll see you back on Monday.