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The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 1: Sandra Serrano · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 2: The middle.
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Speaker 3: Oh hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host Connor mc
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Speaker 1: It's me.
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Speaker 4: Hi. I always forget that you're the actual official co
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Speaker 4: host of this now, Connor, until that happens, because I'm
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Speaker 4: so used to Adam being.
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Speaker 1: Like, ooh, no co hosts, but then you are the
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Speaker 1: cost and it's just so riveting to remember every time.
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Speaker 2: Can I can I be honest with you? I didn't
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Speaker 2: know I was the official co host again.
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Speaker 1: Now, wow, I'm glad I brought it up. Then this
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Speaker 1: is a perfect time to discuss it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, on there, I agree. Not awkward at all.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm glad I said something, as I always do.
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Speaker 1: It's always good, you know.
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Speaker 2: It's funny. I was driving over here and I was thinking,
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Speaker 2: I hope Jen doesn't do something that makes it very uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: She usually doesn't, always will. When has there ever been
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Speaker 1: a time Connor we.
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Speaker 2: Had a lovely conversation for like eight minutes before the show,
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Speaker 2: and I thought it's not going to happen, and then
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Speaker 2: immediately when it co started.
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Speaker 1: You should be able to rely.
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Speaker 4: I've known you for what like ten years now you
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Speaker 4: should know at this point I'm going to make it awkward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of makes it sound like me and
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Speaker 3: Jen have talked about it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like I was like an accomplice to
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Speaker 4: this conversation.
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Speaker 3: Well that, I don't think accomplice is the right word.
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Speaker 3: I think more.
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Speaker 2: Like I know you definitely. I know you definitely.
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Speaker 1: I know you.
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Speaker 2: Weren't a co host of this conversation.
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Speaker 1: It was not a co host. I've never been addressed
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Speaker 1: as such. Wait, yes, I have never mind.
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Speaker 3: I mean Connor was the original co host of this podcast.
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Speaker 2: The Prodigal Son.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we built this pyramid together.
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Speaker 2: So we did a bunch of these. And then I
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Speaker 2: was back when, back when there's a thing called television.
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Speaker 2: I started. I was writing for some different television shows
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Speaker 2: and I didn't really have time and hey, one thing,
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Speaker 2: let's do another.
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Speaker 3: So now we are, so back back when there was
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Speaker 3: work in Hollywood. Yeah, busy straight, So It's kind of
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Speaker 3: go time for conspiracy theory podcasts right now, because over
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Speaker 3: the past couple months, the Trump administration has so very
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Speaker 3: graciously released thousands and thousands of files relating to both
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Speaker 3: the assassination of John F. Kennedy, which that was very publicized,
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Speaker 3: made all sorts of news. More recently, Robert F. Kennedy
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Speaker 3: assassination files were released that didn't get talked about as much,
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Speaker 3: which leads me to believe they're going to be way, way,
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Speaker 3: way more interesting. Because I've always maintained the RFK assassination
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Speaker 3: is be more interesting of the two.
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Speaker 2: You can sort of like, well, I think you can
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Speaker 2: do this for the RFK assassination too. The jfk assassination.
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Speaker 2: You can boil it down to a few motives, a
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Speaker 2: few actors, and you can and you find yourself within
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Speaker 2: a ballpark of what really happened and what really went
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Speaker 2: on to the RFK assassination is if Looney too and
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Speaker 2: shit on top of Looney too and shit, yeah, it
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Speaker 2: really is.
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Speaker 1: I was excited that this was the subject for the
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Speaker 1: podcast because I was like.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll finally know the difference between them, between the
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Speaker 4: Kennedys and a J.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. I guess there were two totally different guys
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Speaker 1: that got killed.
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Speaker 3: And one of them was president and one of them
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Speaker 3: wanted to be president, but it seems like someone didn't
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Speaker 3: want either of them to be president. Ultimately, George Bush,
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to be there.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of an analogy that we could
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Speaker 2: put this gm. They were like the angry Beavers, but
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Speaker 2: irish with lots of political influence.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that Connors cut.
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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to go into this being like,
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Speaker 4: they're not going.
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Speaker 1: To know how much I do or don't know about
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Speaker 1: this situation.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is good because you get a fresh reaction
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Speaker 2: to this because all of this shit is weird.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I might know way too much about this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rfk assassination. See, I wouldn't expect people to
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Speaker 3: know a ton about him because they really nipped that
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Speaker 3: career in the bud. Like he didn't even get to
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Speaker 3: be president. He barely got the campaign for president.
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Speaker 2: I think he topped out it like senator. Well, he
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Speaker 2: was attorney general.
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Speaker 3: Senator attorney general, and then he got the Democratic nomination
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Speaker 3: and then they shot.
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Speaker 1: So is he the yellow or the brown Beaver and
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Speaker 1: angry Beavers.
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Speaker 2: Whichever one was shorter and less sure of himself.
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Speaker 4: One.
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Speaker 2: Okay, everybody read the book.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, there was not a lot of fanfare around
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Speaker 3: the RFK files. And I gotta wonder if part of
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Speaker 3: releasing all of this is the Trump administration knows outlets
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Speaker 3: like this one are just gonna be fixated on all
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Speaker 3: the shit they're doing otherwise. But now you put this
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Speaker 3: in front of me, this might be the next six
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Speaker 3: months of my life.
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Speaker 2: It's funny that you bring that up, because I was
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Speaker 2: I was just saying the same thing earlier, and I
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Speaker 2: was trying to think of an analogy. This is what
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Speaker 2: the Truman administration is doing with all these little conspiracy
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Speaker 2: uguts they're dropping. They're trying to be like, you know, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're your cool uncle. We're releasing all the files. It's
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Speaker 2: like when a fighter jet, let's go of a bunch
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Speaker 2: of like aluminum confetti to fuck up the radar refracts
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Speaker 2: off of it, and you can't like everybody because you're right.
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Speaker 2: Everybody that that would be, like you know on the
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Speaker 2: Trump beat right now, is going Wait, his name was Hans.
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Speaker 2: There's another.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been fascinated by the RFK assassination. I
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Speaker 3: did a episode of my solo podcast about the RFK
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Speaker 3: assassination souvenir program that I bought at the Reagan.
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Speaker 1: Repeat run that back.
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I went to the Reagan Library because
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Speaker 3: they had an FBI exhibit.
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Speaker 1: All right, we talked about this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have pretty neat exhibits. All the presidential libraries have.
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Speaker 4: I think literally the three of us talked about that
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Speaker 4: specifically last time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it is a goal of mind to visit
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Speaker 2: all the presidential libraries. And I'm not even being facetious.
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Speaker 1: They're really your national parks like that.
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Speaker 2: I think they're fun. I like presidential trivia. I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Some guys want to see every baseball park in America.
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Speaker 1: This one, every presidential library.
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Speaker 3: I would do presidential libraries over national parks, for sure.
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Speaker 2: What Yeah, I'd do national parks over libraries. The Beauty
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Speaker 2: of God at cerns all of the fucking given missile
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Speaker 2: crisis paperweights that JFK made that I saw at They'll
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Speaker 2: be Jay Library every day in October that the crisis
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Speaker 2: was blacked out on the calendar.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, every time I'm in a National Park.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, Damn, I really wish this was a presidential library.
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Speaker 2: There's not enough flax.
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Speaker 4: I really wish there was just like roads and power
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Speaker 4: lines leading to a presidential library in this park.
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Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for a gift shop. You get me
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Speaker 3: at a place that has a gift shop, I'm gonna
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Speaker 3: want to buy something if that Adam.
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Speaker 1: National parks have gift shops.
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Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm just trying to explain why I bought
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Speaker 3: this RFK assassination manual because I was at the Reagan
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Speaker 3: Library and I'm like, I'm gonna buy something that doesn't
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Speaker 3: have Reagan's name on it. I'm not trying to big
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Speaker 3: up that fella. And literally the only options were a
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Speaker 3: bag of regular ass jelly belly jelly beans, which delicious,
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Speaker 3: but I can get those at fucking seven to eleven.
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Speaker 3: And the program from the RFK assassination that came out
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Speaker 3: like the day after and just had bullet angles and
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Speaker 3: trajectories and autopsy photos and everything, and it's the weirdest
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Speaker 3: goddamn thing.
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Speaker 2: A day after one of the twenty four, you know,
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Speaker 2: like presumably less than twenty four out to the compiless
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Speaker 2: information bind it, press it, sell it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has a really weird mk ultra esque
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Speaker 3: section that feels like it's trying to entice people to,
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Speaker 3: you know, finish the job, kill that third Kennedy brother.
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Speaker 3: It's very strange. Shit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Teddy has such a big hit perfect for headshots
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Speaker 2: now that you think about it, it's like he's got
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Speaker 2: those golden eyed sheets on.
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Speaker 3: One of the things I find really interesting about it
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Speaker 3: is that program they're at least honest about where RFK
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Speaker 3: was shot, because that part's really important because Sir Han Sirhan,
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Speaker 3: according to all witnesses, was like three or four feet
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Speaker 3: from Robert F. Kennedy and was shooting towards his face
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Speaker 3: and body. But the shot that killed Robert Kennedy was
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Speaker 3: point blank behind his right ear, and Sir Hans sir
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Speaker 3: Han never really got close enough to Robert Kennedy to
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Speaker 3: have delivered that shot. And there's also a bunch of
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Speaker 3: stuff about how many bullets there were that we'll get
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Speaker 3: to in later episodes about this.
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Speaker 2: You know, fun facts. You know the name of the
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Speaker 2: chef that was in the kitchen while this was happening, Sirloin.
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Speaker 1: He's just been waiting.
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Speaker 2: I'm coiled like a cobra.
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Speaker 3: I hope you wrote that like a week ago. You
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Speaker 3: just been sitting you know.
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Speaker 2: It's actually fucked up? Is okay? So we're talking a
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Speaker 2: little bit about the Anne Frank episode of Historical Roads.
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Speaker 2: We did another one where we had Bobby Kennedy here.
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Speaker 2: I think it's Martin Luther King episode Scud's involved in
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Speaker 2: civil Rights and Neil Brannan played Bobby Kennedy and he
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Speaker 2: was We're trying to do a fat joke about Jeff
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Speaker 2: Ross and we're just like, I was killed by Sir Haran,
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Speaker 2: Sir Han, you are killed by something something I was
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Speaker 2: trying to do, like a pizza. Pizza was The joke
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Speaker 2: ended up being with roath beef sand with groath beef sandwich.
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Speaker 2: But now I'm like, why didn't I say stirlong sterirtling?
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Speaker 2: I would have been I thought of the perfect joke
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Speaker 2: like five years too late.
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Speaker 1: And that's really sad.
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Speaker 4: That's like when you like, think of the thing you
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Speaker 4: should have said in an argument, but like worse, the jerk.
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Speaker 2: Store called in. They're running out of you.
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Speaker 4: But also I do feel like sirloin doesn't quite equal
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Speaker 4: fat and roast beef does equal fat a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely debatable. The comedy physics are fuzzy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a better pun for sure.
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Speaker 4: So I want to admit something that I know so
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Speaker 4: much about this simply because I got really obsessed with hypnotism,
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Speaker 4: and this is like the most famous example of this
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Speaker 4: was probably Hypnotidum.
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Speaker 3: I think it probably was.
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Speaker 1: It's like pretty proven.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be so weird if it wasn't hypnotism. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it would be like was it voodoo then?
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we've watched it. I think we might have
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Speaker 3: even covered it for an episode of this podcast. But
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Speaker 3: there's this guy in England named Darren Brown, my guy.
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Speaker 1: I love him. That's what I was gonna bring up.
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Speaker 3: I kind of fucking love that guy too.
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Speaker 2: They did It's fine, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He did did it this like he was because one
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Speaker 3: of the theories about RFK is that Sirhan Sirhan was
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Speaker 3: literally hypnotized into shooting at Robert Kennedy. And this Darren
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Speaker 3: Brown guy did this experiment where he got this guy like,
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Speaker 3: I mean, he gets volunteers basically you show up.
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Speaker 4: He like hosts a fake show to pretty much source
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Speaker 4: the audience to who's the most like docile, hypnotizable person
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Speaker 4: and that is also like unequivocally a good person. So
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Speaker 4: there's no like wishy washing this and you're like, this
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Speaker 4: guy would never murder anyone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the end of it, that guy does
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Speaker 3: fucking stand up and shoot at Stephen Fry That's what
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Speaker 3: he was programming.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he shoots him and is in a complete hypnosis
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Speaker 4: state during it and doesn't know what he's doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what people think happened with sir Han.
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Speaker 1: Sirhan, and that's what sir Han, Sirhan thinks.
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Speaker 2: Why couldn't the CIA have ethically sourced their brain slaves.
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Speaker 2: They were going to brothels and drug parlors and any
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Speaker 2: any sort of fucking house ofville repuse they could find
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of society's most vulnerable skrill seekers.
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Speaker 1: That's the government's way of crowdsourcing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 3: We did a couple, probably a few episodes about the
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Speaker 3: RFK assassination. I'll linked to all of them in the
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Speaker 3: show notes if you want to get the basics.
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Speaker 4: Also, Darren's thing. Darren's show is called The Assassin. You
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Speaker 4: want to watch that. It's pretty interesting. I think it's
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Speaker 4: on YouTube for free.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta check that out. My favorite Darren Brown
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Speaker 2: thing is when he he played six grand masters at
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Speaker 2: chess by just sort of tricking them into playing each
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Speaker 2: other across from each other, just memorizing their moves and
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Speaker 2: then going around in a circle and like just playing it.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. That's good.
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen that one.
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Speaker 2: He's a real scamp.
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Speaker 3: I like the push.
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Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it.
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Speaker 3: He gets people to fucking commit murder.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's done that several times.
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Speaker 4: People are like very upset with him in the ethics
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Speaker 4: of doing that, Like he's like, hey, didn't actually have
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Speaker 4: him kill anybody. This is just what people are capable of,
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Speaker 4: even against their will.
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Speaker 1: I love Darren Brown. He is a gay witch.
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Speaker 2: Is he gay?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gay, but he didn't come out until way
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Speaker 4: later in life and just like doesn't talk about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope he's not into ugly Irish guys, because
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Speaker 2: he could definitely trick me and the he could turning
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Speaker 2: glutes some of this boy pussy with all the fizz.
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Speaker 4: Fucking imagine dating that gay witch so scary.
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Speaker 2: I would not want to get at his dad. Make
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Speaker 2: my dad eat my mom or something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a sorcerer, you like Dayton Killgrave from
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Speaker 3: Jessica Jones, because like there's.
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Speaker 1: Cold reading and then there's whatever the fuck he does.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's different, it's different. So these files, there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of them. There are two hundred and twenty nine
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Speaker 3: separate files, and each of those files are about fifty pages.
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Speaker 2: By the way, here's how you know RK Junior is
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Speaker 2: a terrible son? Isn't he still trying to make America
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Speaker 2: healthy again? Right now? What kind of sun sits idly by? Well,
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Speaker 2: thousands of pages of documents about your father's murder and
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Speaker 2: cold blood and been released. Terrible, terrible son.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, why I would be pouring over this shit if
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Speaker 3: I was him right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all hypnotized.
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Speaker 3: Maybe he's got people reading it for him.
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna wait to listen to it on Conspiracy
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Speaker 2: of the show my favorite podcast.
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Speaker 3: We better be his favorite fucking podcast.
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Speaker 2: We better not be. I hope people don't get that
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Speaker 2: from what we do.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point.
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Speaker 1: That's our demo. For some reason.
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, we'd Adam put all this research in
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Speaker 2: the hundreds of hours of the you know, incertainment. But
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Speaker 2: now I'm going to make it so we don't put
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Speaker 2: pastic wrap on things anymore. It's just.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 3: The way these files are organized is sneaky because there
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Speaker 3: will be pages and pages and pages that are just
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Speaker 3: letters from crazy people who either want Sir Hans Sir
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Speaker 3: Han prosecuted immediately or are worried about his due process.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. That doesn't make it crazy, up to
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Speaker 3: and including letters where people are like, have you looked
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Speaker 3: into maybe Lyndon Johnson having done it? Maybe Lyndon Johnson
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Speaker 3: killed Robert Kennedy. It's like I think people would have
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Speaker 3: seen him there, probably.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when it's also like we thought.
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Speaker 1: Of it, you know what I mean, anything is possible.
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Speaker 2: Maybe the guy with the biggest motive of all had
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Speaker 2: something to do with it.
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Speaker 3: But then they'll drop just random shit in the middle
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Speaker 3: of these files that seem like they're just letters from
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Speaker 3: crazy people. And I haven't gotten through all of these files,
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Speaker 3: but there's stuff in there that I really need to
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Speaker 3: know why it's there. And the one that really stands
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Speaker 3: out so far is in the middle of one batch
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Speaker 3: of files that's just a bunch of letters and memos,
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Speaker 3: there's a memo about a tetanus vaccination program.
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Speaker 2: It runs in the family. We have a strong familial
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Speaker 2: interest in vaccines.
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Speaker 3: It's like, why is that in there? I'm gonna fucking
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Speaker 3: find out, or maybe I won't. Maybe it's just red herring.
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Speaker 1: Who knows You've got a fucking red tape.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna have to reserve a wall in
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Speaker 3: my house and print all these fires.
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Speaker 1: You're running out of wall, buddy, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he yarn and push pints too.
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Speaker 1: Why is it called?
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Speaker 4: Oh, red tape is different than red yarn, but people,
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Speaker 4: I think use it the same way.
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Speaker 3: Now, red tape is like bureacracy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I I think that I did
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Speaker 1: it wrong.
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Speaker 4: And I'm saying that it's everyone and we're back to
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Speaker 4: angry beevers.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: But there is some interesting stuff in these files. So far,
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Speaker 3: I've gotten through not really half. There's twenty three pages,
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Speaker 3: and each of those pages has ten links, and each
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Speaker 3: of those links is fifty pages. So there's a lot
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Speaker 3: there's that's so many, but a lot of it is
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Speaker 3: duplicate stuff that you can just scroll past. A lot
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Speaker 3: of it you can just start reading it, and you know,
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Speaker 3: it's not that important.
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Speaker 2: Letters to the editor seems like such an insane thing
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Speaker 2: to include, because like this sort of like forum for
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Speaker 2: anonymous feedback. Like I don't know, correct me if I'm
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Speaker 2: way off base here, but I feel like, isn't this
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Speaker 2: just like the nineteen sixty nine version of four chan?
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Speaker 2: Like does anybody's really weirdo like with too much time
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Speaker 2: in their hands?
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think it is.
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Speaker 3: It is a lot of that. It's a lot of
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Speaker 3: letters from people who really think the government is listening
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Speaker 3: more than they are. It's like the government's listening but
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Speaker 3: just to find out if you're going to be left
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Speaker 3: or some shit. They're not like listening to your concerns
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Speaker 3: about things.
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Speaker 2: They're keeping it on file, like let's make sure we
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Speaker 2: keep tabs and what the sheep believes, you know, but
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Speaker 2: not because they care and they want to, like, you know,
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Speaker 2: make sure they get you something good for Christmas.
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Speaker 4: This is why they invented four chan, was just to
18:18
Speaker 4: organize this shit so they could keep track.
18:20
Speaker 1: Of it better.
18:20
Speaker 2: At least, Yeah, let's at least break it down by
18:22
Speaker 2: the people that are in the origami and the guys
18:24
Speaker 2: who're like yeah, as a matter of convenience, they'll organize themselves.
18:30
Speaker 3: So let's talk about some of the weird shit that's
18:32
Speaker 3: in these files. One of the first things that stood
18:36
Speaker 3: out to me, and this is in I think the
18:39
Speaker 3: very first batch of files, is that apparently a few
18:44
Speaker 3: weeks before RFK was killed, a bunch of people in
18:49
Speaker 3: the Middle East were telling people that RFK had been
18:53
Speaker 3: shot already, like weeks before he actually was weird it is.
18:58
Speaker 3: It's very strange. There's a state meant from a woman
19:00
Speaker 3: named missus Hubert Ritchie different time. They don't even tell
19:04
Speaker 3: us her real first name. I'm assuming Hubert is the husband.
19:08
Speaker 2: No, I hope there's a I hope there's a broad
19:10
Speaker 2: name Hubert out there.
19:13
Speaker 4: I'm on a need to know basis of a woman
19:16
Speaker 4: named Hubert.
19:18
Speaker 2: I don't want to Humphrey from reub I'll tell you it.
19:22
Speaker 1: Is that a phrase it is now.
19:25
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, because I said it, I.
19:26
Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure I wasn't like unaware of Okay,
19:29
Speaker 1: go ahead.
19:31
Speaker 3: She is but one of the participants in a tourist
19:37
Speaker 3: trip to the Middle East that happened between May fourteenth
19:40
Speaker 3: and May twentieth, nineteen sixty eight, very shortly before RFK
19:45
Speaker 3: was shot. He shot June fifth, nineteen sixty eight. She
19:48
Speaker 3: claims in her statement that on one of the tours,
19:52
Speaker 3: either May sixteenth or seventeenth, a tour guide named Jacob
19:55
Speaker 3: Hennigman started the day by informing the group that Robert
20:00
Speaker 3: Kennedy had been shot, and it would be one thing
20:03
Speaker 3: if he just like threw it out there and never
20:05
Speaker 3: mentioned it again. But subsequent days, on subsequent tours, people
20:11
Speaker 3: asked him about it and he was like, yeah, I
20:13
Speaker 3: heard this is This is.
20:14
Speaker 2: By the way, what I would do if I was
20:16
Speaker 2: a tour guide, just because I'd be depressed. I wouldn't
20:18
Speaker 2: want to use a lot of energy. I'd be like, well, guys,
20:20
Speaker 2: and you know, I hate to tell you this, but
20:23
Speaker 2: unfortunately the brother Robert Kennedy was built in cold blood
20:26
Speaker 2: at this hotel in California. And you know this is
20:30
Speaker 2: going to be bring a damper on things. Obviously, it's
20:32
Speaker 2: not going to be as many. It just you do
20:34
Speaker 2: half the work as a tour guide. You got your
20:37
Speaker 2: flag at half mass.
20:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, smart, maybe that's what he was doing.
20:39
Speaker 2: This is weird. This is almost like a Mandela story, but.
20:42
Speaker 3: Not kinda Yeah. And in these files, the FBI eventually
20:47
Speaker 3: tracks down I assume it's the FBI doing all of
20:50
Speaker 3: these investigations, but they tracked down everyone that was on
20:54
Speaker 3: that tour, and one or two people say they never
20:58
Speaker 3: heard this guy say it, but everyone else that was
21:01
Speaker 3: on the tour is like, oh, yeah, one morning he
21:03
Speaker 3: just showed up and was like, hey, Robert Kennedy got shot,
21:06
Speaker 3: and people were like bummed, And then they got back
21:09
Speaker 3: to the US and were like, no, he's still alive. Weird.
21:12
Speaker 2: It's also weird that this happened in Israel, the country. Yeah,
21:15
Speaker 2: definitely does not control the United States.
21:18
Speaker 3: At all, Right, that guy glitched, And weird that it's
21:22
Speaker 3: in Israel because that is the stated motives the government
21:26
Speaker 3: has given us for why Sir Hans Sirhan did this.
21:30
Speaker 3: Was Bobby Kennedy's support for Israel. It's like, oh, you mean,
21:35
Speaker 3: as opposed to all those anti Israel politicians in the
21:38
Speaker 3: game in the nineteen sixties. I don't think there were any.
21:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there were any, and there's still
21:45
Speaker 2: aren'ts Yeah.
21:46
Speaker 1: True.
21:46
Speaker 3: In a different batch of files, there's a stray memo
21:51
Speaker 3: about a US citizen named John Swede who called the
21:54
Speaker 3: US Embassy in Singapore on June eighth, a few days
21:58
Speaker 3: after Kennedy was shot to report. While he was traveling
22:01
Speaker 3: in Iraq the month prior, he and his wife were
22:04
Speaker 3: having dinner at the Ambassador Hotel Bagdad when a waiter
22:08
Speaker 3: approached and asked him and his wife if they'd heard
22:10
Speaker 3: that RFK had been shot, And in this case he
22:14
Speaker 3: added a location and said he had been shot in Milwaukee.
22:19
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is this was also May seventeen, and
22:22
Speaker 3: it seems like there was a radio broadcast. In both cases,
22:27
Speaker 3: they say they heard it on the radio, But the
22:31
Speaker 3: only time that radio broadcast comes back up is there's
22:35
Speaker 3: a two page file that seems like a short summary
22:38
Speaker 3: of the trial and sentencing of Sirhan Sirhan, and for
22:42
Speaker 3: some reason, at the end of that there's this quote
22:45
Speaker 3: that just says, no further information developed concerning radio broadcast
22:50
Speaker 3: of shooting of Senator Kennedy prior to his actual shooting.
22:54
Speaker 3: That's it, And it's buried at the end of this
22:57
Speaker 3: summary after like he's already been tried and sent to prison.
23:01
Speaker 3: So no fucking clue what was going on there.
23:05
Speaker 2: Even if you had multiple plots to kill him, why
23:08
Speaker 2: tell the radio guy ahead of time, Like that doesn't
23:11
Speaker 2: make any sense.
23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Were they trying to like get
23:14
Speaker 3: people's temperature and see how they were going to re end.
23:18
Speaker 2: It's kind of what I was like, is this people
23:21
Speaker 2: going is just going to be immediately right in the
23:23
Speaker 2: streets because he's got that kind of like stink on
23:26
Speaker 2: him where he's like kamartin Luther King or a Gandhi
23:28
Speaker 2: figure almost, you know, Like, yeah, people kind of people
23:31
Speaker 2: fucking believed like the Bernie Sanders people believed in Robert F. Kennedy.
23:35
Speaker 2: You know, they thought he was going to do some
23:37
Speaker 2: good shit. I guess not. I guess we're flaccid and
23:39
Speaker 2: ready to be ruled as usual.
23:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems like a weird thing to do
23:44
Speaker 3: as a joke or a prank, especially, Like I know,
23:48
Speaker 3: coincidences are a thing, but god damn, that would be
23:52
Speaker 3: an odd coincidence that this happens in the country that
23:57
Speaker 3: is linked to the motive for our f K being killed.
24:01
Speaker 3: Very strange, hear me out.
24:03
Speaker 4: Darren Brown went back in time to start planting the
24:07
Speaker 4: seed that this would happen so that he could then
24:10
Speaker 4: do the assassin in the twenty twenties.
24:13
Speaker 3: That could be probably with the help of Giorgio Suklos
24:16
Speaker 3: gay Witch from ancient alien theory.
24:20
Speaker 1: Exactly as much.
24:21
Speaker 2: As we love both old Darren Brown, He's not going
24:23
Speaker 2: to find a stargate on his own and get it
24:25
Speaker 2: off fully operational. You need an ancient alien expert for
24:29
Speaker 2: that kind of correct.
24:30
Speaker 3: So Yeah, like I said, I'm still pouring through these files.
24:34
Speaker 3: If anything else turns out about people having advanced knowledge
24:38
Speaker 3: of RFK being shot or whatever the hell was going
24:41
Speaker 3: on here, I will let you know. But they just
24:45
Speaker 3: kind of let that thread go early on in these files.
24:49
Speaker 4: Also, if someone's being just like random, I just feel
24:52
Speaker 4: like that's one of the last random things that someone
24:55
Speaker 4: would just randomly say. Like I don't people are very
25:00
Speaker 4: I'm so random, and I don't feel like any of
25:03
Speaker 4: them are, Like this man's getting shot on this date.
25:05
Speaker 1: At this place.
25:07
Speaker 2: The only people that had advanced knowledge of the Kennedy
25:09
Speaker 2: assassination or the remote viewers employed by the government operating
25:13
Speaker 2: in a secret location forty miles underneath there it's crush
25:16
Speaker 2: beneath court brag. They might have had an idea.
25:19
Speaker 3: I both do and don't want that to be real
25:22
Speaker 3: because it's terrifying if it's real, but also so fucking
25:26
Speaker 3: cool and like I feel like you can learn it.
25:28
Speaker 2: Nothing gives me that creates more than the amount of
25:30
Speaker 2: time the government has spent remote viewing things on our
25:35
Speaker 2: favorite website, volt that CIA that can go see the
25:38
Speaker 2: government remote view of the planet of Mars three thousand
25:41
Speaker 2: years in the past where they found an escaping civilization,
25:45
Speaker 2: all this fucking crazy shit, and like it's like literally
25:48
Speaker 2: like the government right at like you know, worst, it's
25:51
Speaker 2: them just sitting around writing like alien X files fan
25:55
Speaker 2: fiction and at best there are a bunch of wizards
25:58
Speaker 2: that have magic powers that are still evil.
26:01
Speaker 1: The real gay, which is.
26:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's oppressing people, is pretty gay derogatory.
26:08
Speaker 3: So let's talk about the girl in the polka dot dress.
26:11
Speaker 2: My girl.
26:12
Speaker 3: Oh, she has been at the center of this conspiracy
26:17
Speaker 3: since literally the moment RFK was shot, and a lot
26:22
Speaker 3: of that has to do with a woman named Sandy
26:24
Speaker 3: Serrana who worked for the RFK campaign on some sort
26:29
Speaker 3: of youth organization related to the campaign. So she was
26:35
Speaker 3: at the hotel where Kennedy was killed, and her initial story,
26:39
Speaker 3: which she told in an NBC interview about ninety minutes
26:44
Speaker 3: after the shooting was as follows, She was present at
26:48
Speaker 3: the RFK victory speech and said she went outside around
26:52
Speaker 3: eleven thirty pm to get fresh air and or smoke.
26:56
Speaker 3: Those were the same thing in the sixties. And she
27:01
Speaker 3: says she saw three people at part's important. A woman
27:05
Speaker 3: in a polka dot dress and two men walk past
27:08
Speaker 3: her and enter the ballroom where the party was happening.
27:11
Speaker 3: Approximately twenty five minutes later, she hears shots and the
27:15
Speaker 3: same woman comes running out, but this time only one
27:20
Speaker 3: of those men is with her, and she claims that
27:22
Speaker 3: woman when she runs past her, shouted, we shot him,
27:26
Speaker 3: We shot him. And when Sandy Serrano asked shot who,
27:30
Speaker 3: the woman responded Senator Kennedy, This woman.
27:33
Speaker 2: Is terrible at committing crimes. You're not supposed to run
27:36
Speaker 2: away confessing and giving details.
27:39
Speaker 1: She's bad at pronouns. This is why pronouns are important.
27:43
Speaker 3: What if though she didn't really know what they were
27:48
Speaker 3: taking Sirhan Sirhan to that hotel for like, she could
27:52
Speaker 3: have sort of been an unwitting participant in this. Also,
27:56
Speaker 3: why is she weeing? Well, yeah, that's the thing that
28:00
Speaker 3: obviously implies that other people were involved. But she did
28:03
Speaker 3: go in with two people and came back out with one.
28:07
Speaker 3: And that thing where she said we is really important
28:09
Speaker 3: because at a bunch of points people try to get
28:13
Speaker 3: Sandy Serrano to say, all right, yeah, maybe she said they,
28:17
Speaker 3: and she's like, no, no, no, no, she said we.
28:19
Speaker 3: She said we shot him. And so Sandy Serrano goes
28:23
Speaker 3: back in there's all this chaos. She calls her parents
28:26
Speaker 3: in Ohio and tells them that Kennedy has been shot,
28:30
Speaker 3: and she doesn't tell her parents at that point about
28:36
Speaker 3: the woman who ran past her, But when she calls
28:39
Speaker 3: them again the next morning, she tells them the story
28:42
Speaker 3: about the woman in the polka dot dress. What's interesting
28:46
Speaker 3: is during one of her interviews, they asked her about
28:49
Speaker 3: the third person who went in who didn't come back out,
28:52
Speaker 3: and they showed her a picture of Sir Hans Sirhan
28:54
Speaker 3: and she was like, yep, that's him.
28:56
Speaker 1: Oh why wasn't she like that's we.
29:00
Speaker 2: We shot they them, We shot them.
29:02
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Pronouns are important. We is
29:05
Speaker 1: a pronoun.
29:06
Speaker 3: What's really interesting is the way the FBI approaches this
29:12
Speaker 3: is almost as if Sandy Serrano has committed a crime
29:16
Speaker 3: of some sort because they clearly don't believe her or
29:20
Speaker 3: don't want to believe her. There's a document where they
29:25
Speaker 3: talk about interviewing her at the scene of the crime,
29:29
Speaker 3: and she all throughout it is freaking out about them
29:34
Speaker 3: lying to her, trying to trick her into saying she
29:38
Speaker 3: didn't really see what she saw. At one point, she
29:41
Speaker 3: accuses them of taking her to a different ballroom than
29:44
Speaker 3: where it actually happened, and she is adamant throughout all
29:49
Speaker 3: of this that I saw what I saw.
29:51
Speaker 2: Good for her, it's not easy to be guess like
29:54
Speaker 2: that and still like fucking be like, no, I saw
29:57
Speaker 2: some crazy shit. Yeah.
29:58
Speaker 3: It's to the point they eventually we asked her to
30:01
Speaker 3: like film a reenactment of what she claimed she saw,
30:04
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'll do it if someone not attached
30:08
Speaker 3: to the case is present, which leads me to believe
30:11
Speaker 3: there wasn't a lawyer in the room, which she maybe
30:13
Speaker 3: should have had a lawyer with her or something. But
30:17
Speaker 3: they eventually get her to recant her story and say
30:21
Speaker 3: that she lied about all of it, which, sure I
30:25
Speaker 3: could see that being the case if she was the
30:28
Speaker 3: only one who reported seeing this woman in the polka
30:32
Speaker 3: dot dress. But there was also a guy named Vincent
30:34
Speaker 3: Dapiro who they interview in these files. He was in
30:38
Speaker 3: the kitchen. He was a waiter at the hotel. So
30:40
Speaker 3: he was in the kitchen where RFK was shot, and
30:43
Speaker 3: he told police he saw a woman in a polka
30:46
Speaker 3: dot dress standing right next to Sir Hans Sirhan when
30:51
Speaker 3: RFK was shot. And so this is two people who
30:55
Speaker 3: don't know each other. Sandy Serano worked on the RFK campaign.
30:59
Speaker 3: This guy as a waiter at the hotel. They're both
31:02
Speaker 3: talking about seeing this woman in a polka dot dress.
31:06
Speaker 2: And placing him with her hand, sir hand right.
31:09
Speaker 3: So these two people we are supposed to believe independently
31:13
Speaker 3: of each other, came up with the same lie and
31:16
Speaker 3: eventually recanted that lie. They both just magically happened upon
31:22
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, woman in a polka dot dress, that's who
31:24
Speaker 3: it was. And then they were both telling the same
31:27
Speaker 3: lie for shits in giggles. It seems to me like
31:31
Speaker 3: someone coerced them into saying.
31:33
Speaker 1: No, they're just so random.
31:37
Speaker 3: I really would love someone to explain how they both
31:40
Speaker 3: landed on this same hoax of a story and that
31:44
Speaker 3: so far has never happened.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not surprised that he was walked in by
31:50
Speaker 2: a woman, because I feel like, if you want me
31:53
Speaker 2: to commit political murder, you're gonna need to dangle the
31:56
Speaker 2: least one hot chicken in front of me, you know.
31:58
Speaker 2: If there's the high girl involved. Yeah, well, well whoever
32:02
Speaker 2: you want me to Yeah.
32:03
Speaker 3: She is described as being very attractive, but it seems
32:06
Speaker 3: like there's no pictures of her.
32:08
Speaker 2: An ugly guy showed me the Queen of diamonds. I'm
32:11
Speaker 2: not doing shit.
32:12
Speaker 3: One thing that stands out about the Sandy Serrano story
32:17
Speaker 3: to me is her story never changes. There's a few
32:22
Speaker 3: different interviews where she's interviewed by like LAPD, FBI, I
32:26
Speaker 3: don't know who all is interviewing her, but at no
32:28
Speaker 3: point does her story change. They just eventually get her
32:31
Speaker 3: to say she's lying, which I feel like that changing
32:35
Speaker 3: story is a characteristic of someone lying, whereas she is
32:38
Speaker 3: fucking adamant about what she saw and eventually they're just like,
32:42
Speaker 3: hm mmm, no you didn't, we don't believe you. One
32:46
Speaker 3: part about her story that I found really interesting they
32:49
Speaker 3: have a statement from Deputy District Attorney of La County,
32:54
Speaker 3: a guy named John Ambrose, and he says he heard
32:58
Speaker 3: about the shooting on the drove to the hotel where
33:02
Speaker 3: it happened, got there in about fifteen minutes, and as
33:05
Speaker 3: soon as he walked in, Sandy Serrano walks up to
33:08
Speaker 3: him and is like, you gotta help me get what
33:11
Speaker 3: I saw to the authorities. And she tells him the
33:15
Speaker 3: same story and he's like, fuck, yeah, okay, I'll get
33:18
Speaker 3: you to the police. And he says in this file
33:21
Speaker 3: that he found her to be very sincere and was
33:24
Speaker 3: struck by the consistency of her story.
33:27
Speaker 2: Classic liar.
33:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few different accounts from people who spoke
33:34
Speaker 3: to Sandy Serrano that night, and she told all of
33:37
Speaker 3: them pretty much the exact same story.
33:39
Speaker 2: And if you ever want to tell a lie, just
33:41
Speaker 2: remember kids, sincerity and consistency. Your story doesn't change, neither
33:48
Speaker 2: does your face. You just stick to your guns.
33:51
Speaker 3: And they never really explain why she would have lied
33:56
Speaker 3: about this, or why Vincent Tapiro would have lied about it.
34:00
Speaker 2: It's a bizarre kind of attention to suggest somebody needs
34:04
Speaker 2: to be like grilled by a bunch of detectives, like
34:08
Speaker 2: my buddy's dad was a detective. Getting interrogated by a
34:11
Speaker 2: detective fucking stinks. Even when you've been doing nothing at all.
34:15
Speaker 2: He's tree tree, like a pot smoking mouth content. I
34:19
Speaker 2: don't think this is anybody spetis your idea of a
34:21
Speaker 2: good time?
34:22
Speaker 1: You know?
34:23
Speaker 3: Yeah?
34:24
Speaker 1: You know this is like what this is her kink,
34:26
Speaker 1: This is what she likes.
34:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love to be condescended to by a bunch
34:29
Speaker 2: of men in suits.
34:31
Speaker 1: She's on some other shit.
34:33
Speaker 2: Be still my pussy.
34:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:36
Speaker 3: So, something that comes up a few times in the
34:39
Speaker 3: early part of the files that I don't recall hearing
34:42
Speaker 3: as a talking point before is that there were a
34:45
Speaker 3: bunch of questions about who decided what route RFK should
34:48
Speaker 3: take after leaving the stage when his speech was over,
34:52
Speaker 3: because there were a few different ways he could have gone,
34:55
Speaker 3: and so if he went any other way, Sir Hans,
34:58
Speaker 3: Sir Han wouldn't have been in that kitchen waiting for him.
35:02
Speaker 3: And then what happens? Does he live or did Sir
35:05
Speaker 3: hansor Han know where to be? Was it just coincidence?
35:08
Speaker 3: Like what happened? It sort of comes up in an
35:10
Speaker 3: FBI memo dated June fourteenth, nineteen sixty eight, that includes
35:14
Speaker 3: this passage. Investigation indicates that the itinerary for Senator Kennedy
35:19
Speaker 3: was modified somewhat during the evening of June fourth, nineteen
35:23
Speaker 3: sixty eight, due to delays in receiving election returns. According
35:27
Speaker 3: to information received from Senator Kennedy's public relations director for
35:31
Speaker 3: the California campaign, the decision to take the route directly
35:34
Speaker 3: to the Colonial Room at the Ambassador Hotel was made
35:38
Speaker 3: on the stage immediately after Senator Kennedy's speech. Inquiry into
35:44
Speaker 3: this phase is continuing, So it seems like maybe even
35:48
Speaker 3: the FBI was a little suspicious about how and why
35:53
Speaker 3: he ended up changing his course that night.
35:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's why there was three people. They all
35:58
Speaker 2: had one exit. They just looked meet up with a gunshot.
36:02
Speaker 3: There's a metric shit ton of letters from people.
36:08
Speaker 2: Who thought there right by the way. If if I
36:10
Speaker 2: was alive at this time, I would be writing these letters.
36:12
Speaker 2: This is what.
36:15
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it's your only outlet for conspiracy theory.
36:18
Speaker 1: Shit.
36:19
Speaker 3: Either got to write letters to the government, or you
36:21
Speaker 3: got to start your own newsletter, which you.
36:23
Speaker 2: Got to learn how to xerox a pamphlet, yeah, or
36:26
Speaker 2: to put one on the old mini mimeograph. I just
36:28
Speaker 2: wanted to show off my old timey and mentioned knowledge.
36:32
Speaker 1: Mimeograph is good as a deep pull.
36:34
Speaker 3: There's one letter that's really interesting from a guy named
36:38
Speaker 3: Ralph Lyle Smith, and he is in this letter fixated
36:44
Speaker 3: on the actions of a guy who was on stage
36:47
Speaker 3: during rfk's victory speech. That would be a guy named
36:50
Speaker 3: Jesse Big Daddy Unroute, which is absolutely the nickname of
36:54
Speaker 3: someone who would participate in a political assassination. He was
37:00
Speaker 3: campaign manager for JFK and RFK both, so that's a
37:04
Speaker 3: bad track record, right yeah. Also, Lyndon Johnson apparently called him,
37:11
Speaker 3: quote probably one of the most selfish men he had
37:15
Speaker 3: met in politics.
37:17
Speaker 2: And that's coming from Lyndon Johnson, a notorious prick of history.
37:21
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. And in this letter, Ralph Lyle Smith
37:25
Speaker 3: talks about how weird Jesse Unra was acting during Kennedy's speech.
37:31
Speaker 3: There was an NBC clip where they showed the speech,
37:34
Speaker 3: and he says in this letter he watched it four
37:36
Speaker 3: times and every time was just weirded out by how
37:40
Speaker 3: Jesse Unru was acting. Some of the examples he cites
37:44
Speaker 3: in his letter. He was the only one on stage
37:46
Speaker 3: who looked like he was sweating profusely. He started crying
37:49
Speaker 3: during the speech. His left hand was constantly tugging at
37:55
Speaker 3: his collar. At one point he seemed like he was
37:57
Speaker 3: triggered by something Kennedy said and looked up and started clapping,
38:02
Speaker 3: expecting that everyone in the audience was also going to clap,
38:06
Speaker 3: and they did not. And this is a quote from
38:09
Speaker 3: the letter. It would seem that he was not at
38:11
Speaker 3: all conscious of the crowd's mood, but deeply preoccupied. And
38:16
Speaker 3: then he says, also, this is a quote in the letter.
38:19
Speaker 3: A short time before Kennedy finished his speech, Unru's chin
38:23
Speaker 3: trembled and he bit his lower lip. And then he
38:26
Speaker 3: closes it out in true conspiracy believer fashion, with this line,
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Speaker 3: if Unru is part of a conspiracy, I hope you
38:32
Speaker 3: will proceed very carefully, or a deadly lizard may leave
38:35
Speaker 3: you with its tail end quote.
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Speaker 2: Nice, Wow, that sounds like a quote from Star Trek
38:42
Speaker 2: two Wrath of Khan.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, bars, that was a solid ending.
38:47
Speaker 2: That is a dale gribbl fucking I don't know, that's
38:51
Speaker 2: just that's that's that's good sketch. Floored clipping. I don't
38:55
Speaker 2: even know. I can't even summarize it.
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Speaker 1: A deadly lizard may leave you with its tail.
39:02
Speaker 4: Like when I don't feel that bothered by that even
39:05
Speaker 4: like his tail, what about the rest of them?
39:08
Speaker 2: But I guess that part is still deadly deadly lizards. No,
39:12
Speaker 2: it's like Kimodo dragons, and that's a bitt It's.
39:15
Speaker 3: Like a banana slug. Don't pop it in your mouth.
39:17
Speaker 2: That is like an escape me. And if people don't,
39:19
Speaker 2: that's like what if you? If you? I used to
39:21
Speaker 2: do this all the time. There's listens around my grandparent's house.
39:23
Speaker 2: You catch a livered by his tail, it just loses
39:26
Speaker 2: the tail, and then later you'll see a no tailed
39:28
Speaker 2: lizard walking around, and then a week later you see
39:30
Speaker 2: a lizard with tail walking around or half a tail,
39:32
Speaker 2: Like they grow back.
39:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, is that what he means that they'll just
39:35
Speaker 3: get the.
39:36
Speaker 4: Weird thing to say, Like it sounds really cool, but
39:39
Speaker 4: then you're like, wait, I think he's saying.
39:41
Speaker 2: You're gonna let a bad guy go free kind of thing.
39:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they got his tail and he's still out
39:47
Speaker 1: there being a lizard.
39:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they went to go catch him, but they
39:50
Speaker 2: just got his tail.
39:50
Speaker 4: And now he's like you know in my mind that
39:53
Speaker 4: they're like you're all be left with just the tail
39:56
Speaker 4: and then you're fucked, and it's.
39:58
Speaker 3: Like, what, Yeah, you wouldn't be any more fucked before
40:01
Speaker 3: that or after that. You just don't solve anything.
40:04
Speaker 2: You'll just have a tail and a tail.
40:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's just deadly, and like, don't touch
40:08
Speaker 1: that tale of deadly, a tale.
40:09
Speaker 2: Of two tails. Let's beat this into the ground a
40:12
Speaker 2: little more. It was a cool line.
40:16
Speaker 3: So clearly this guy thinks Jesse Unru had some hand
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Speaker 3: in rfk's assassination.
40:24
Speaker 1: Definitely had a tail in it, maybe being.
40:26
Speaker 3: The one who I don't know, decided what way he
40:29
Speaker 3: should go after he got off stage. But then there
40:32
Speaker 3: is another subset of letter writers who feel like they
40:36
Speaker 3: have another explanation for why the assassin knew where Kennedy
40:41
Speaker 3: was going to go, and it's that there were multiple
40:43
Speaker 3: assassins in the crowd. There is a lengthy letter from
40:48
Speaker 3: a Houston man named e Ernst Schaeffer, which should take
40:52
Speaker 3: a sidebar here. The JFK files got a bunch of
40:55
Speaker 3: criticism for leaving identifying information about people who are still
40:59
Speaker 3: alive by including social security numbers, just unredacted, just doxing people.
41:06
Speaker 3: Same thing here, you get names, addresses, phone numbers.
41:10
Speaker 1: It really is four Chan.
41:12
Speaker 2: You know, it's redacted as shit, the story of them
41:15
Speaker 2: remote viewing Mars. They had plenty of time to protect
41:18
Speaker 2: the details of fifteen hundred year old dead Martians.
41:23
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're doing all the time. It
41:25
Speaker 1: seems really just into Mars.
41:29
Speaker 3: But also the thing about them not redacting all these
41:33
Speaker 3: names and addresses. That's going to be important in a
41:36
Speaker 3: second here, because there is something redacted and it's really
41:39
Speaker 3: fucking weird. Anyway, the Schaefer letter, he cites a bunch
41:43
Speaker 3: of facts that the public knew about the assassination by
41:46
Speaker 3: that point, and all of them have almost nothing to
41:49
Speaker 3: do with the conclusion he reaches, which is this, how
41:53
Speaker 3: did the assassin know that Senator Kennedy would come into
41:55
Speaker 3: this hallway? End quote? That is not a conclusion, sir,
41:59
Speaker 3: but it is a valid question. He suggests that a
42:03
Speaker 3: good deal of Arabic student associations are under the very
42:07
Speaker 3: strong influence of an organization called El Fata, and that
42:11
Speaker 3: they were probably behind the assassination, and if so, they
42:15
Speaker 3: probably sent a few different people to assassinate Kennedy, and
42:19
Speaker 3: the authorities did point to Kennedy's support for Israel as
42:23
Speaker 3: being the motivating factor here. But the more interesting suggestion
42:29
Speaker 3: that multiple people were involved comes from a vintage conspiracy
42:34
Speaker 3: theory newsletter called Truth Letter that is included in these files.
42:38
Speaker 3: It's written by a German journalist named Joakim Jostin.
42:44
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Joakim Jostin wrote.
42:47
Speaker 3: He has written a bunch of different books about historical assassinations.
42:53
Speaker 2: Because before there was the Info War, there was the
42:55
Speaker 2: Truth Letter.
42:58
Speaker 3: What's frustrating about this file is that the part about
43:02
Speaker 3: RFK is continued from the previous issue of the newsletter,
43:06
Speaker 3: and that has not turned up in these files yet.
43:10
Speaker 3: So that section starts in the middle of whatever theory
43:14
Speaker 3: he's laying out about RFK, and here it goes. The
43:18
Speaker 3: witness added that a woman he spoke to told him
43:21
Speaker 3: she had also seen the young man with the package parentheses,
43:25
Speaker 3: not Sir Han, earlier in the evening. She had noticed
43:28
Speaker 3: him because he was acting strangely. This is probably a
43:31
Speaker 3: reference to the natural state of agitation, in which all
43:34
Speaker 3: of the potential assassins must have been as the decisive
43:38
Speaker 3: moment approached for the lot of having to carry out
43:41
Speaker 3: the assassination could have fallen to any one of them,
43:45
Speaker 3: according to which way Kennedy went and quote and what's
43:49
Speaker 3: interesting about this I just mentioned they don't redact shit
43:54
Speaker 3: when it comes to people's names, addresses anything like that.
43:57
Speaker 3: This newsletter, he mentions that there were a few witnesses
44:02
Speaker 3: who said there were quote other arabs involved in the
44:05
Speaker 3: assassination and says none of them were called to testify
44:08
Speaker 3: in front of the grand jury because their testimony didn't
44:11
Speaker 3: fit the single shooter theory the government was going for.
44:14
Speaker 3: What's interesting about this he names those three witnesses. Those
44:18
Speaker 3: names are redacted from these files. So the government found
44:24
Speaker 3: the name of those three witnesses important enough to redact,
44:27
Speaker 3: but mostly didn't redact identifying information about regular ass witnesses
44:32
Speaker 3: and shit, Well, it seems.
44:33
Speaker 2: Like they're like, well, we got to protect the people
44:36
Speaker 2: that were coming up with their backup alibi.
44:39
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, it's really fucking weird. And then
44:43
Speaker 3: he talks about the experience of an alleged witness named
44:46
Speaker 3: Reverend Jerry Owens. But unfortunately that part ends with this quote.
44:50
Speaker 3: Here is the gist of what the reverend Owens experienced.
44:53
Speaker 3: And after the murder of Robert, Kennedy told the Los
44:57
Speaker 3: Angeles police, who recorded his story and and ignored it.
45:00
Speaker 1: Good.
45:01
Speaker 3: That's where it ends. It has continued in number eighteen.
45:05
Speaker 3: So the rest of that story, I don't know if
45:07
Speaker 3: it's going to be somewhere else in these files, but
45:10
Speaker 3: it seems like a lot of people had it in
45:12
Speaker 3: their mind at the time that there might have been
45:15
Speaker 3: multiple shooters in the room. That to me would maybe
45:19
Speaker 3: speak to why that woman ran out and said we
45:22
Speaker 3: shot him.
45:23
Speaker 2: Sure. And there's also that there's like the wrong it's
45:26
Speaker 2: one of these things where there's the wrong number of
45:28
Speaker 2: shots from the wrong places, right. Yeah, to to have
45:32
Speaker 2: just been a single shooter, Yeah, I don't have my
45:34
Speaker 2: diorama of it set up of the Ambassador Hotel kitchen
45:38
Speaker 2: recreated in a lego like I usually do, but it's.
45:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely a disparity. His gun held either six
45:46
Speaker 3: or eight shots, and I think there's twelve bullets that
45:50
Speaker 3: they found in that kitchen.
45:52
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
45:53
Speaker 3: No one else has said they were shooting. You would
45:56
Speaker 3: think like if it was just a cop firing back
45:58
Speaker 3: at Sir Hans, Sirhan, someone would have seen that, or
46:02
Speaker 3: he would have said it, or would.
46:04
Speaker 2: Be dead, or it would have been some sir hands.
46:06
Speaker 2: Sirhan bullets and some cop bullets, you know.
46:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. My favorite theory about this is that the security
46:13
Speaker 3: guard walking him through the kitchen is the one who
46:16
Speaker 3: killed him. He was LAPD. He was a super duper
46:19
Speaker 3: right winger. He would have been right there in position
46:23
Speaker 3: to do it. It makes sense to me someone was
46:26
Speaker 3: super close to him. Whoever killed him was right there
46:29
Speaker 3: next to him. Because they shot him point blank range, it.
46:33
Speaker 2: Feels almost like overkill, like like I'm surprised there's so
46:36
Speaker 2: many potential assassins here. It's like, I'm amazed the two
46:39
Speaker 2: of them didn't shoot each other on accident.
46:41
Speaker 3: I wonder if they were kind of hoping for that
46:43
Speaker 3: that Sir Hans Sirhan would maybe hit some other people
46:46
Speaker 3: and then that would make it look more convincing.
46:50
Speaker 2: Take the one less alibi you got to come up with,
46:53
Speaker 2: you know, he did.
46:54
Speaker 4: I want to know what, like, if the plan had
46:56
Speaker 4: gone perfectly, what was their plan? I think it did
46:59
Speaker 4: go perfectly, but they're like upset that one one thing
47:02
Speaker 4: was like a misfire and they're like, oh, we'll get
47:04
Speaker 4: them next time.
47:04
Speaker 2: Guy, we didn't get the confetti. Fuck. Yeah, exactly as
47:09
Speaker 2: he was laying there on the floor of the Amaster Hotel,
47:11
Speaker 2: wherever Kennedy said, I just hope, uh my son is
47:15
Speaker 2: the healthiest man in the world.
47:18
Speaker 3: So I think that is the end of episode one.
47:23
Speaker 3: I feel like this could almost go either way. The
47:27
Speaker 3: Trump administration also released all those fucking UFO files like
47:32
Speaker 3: as part of the last COVID bill he signed. It
47:35
Speaker 3: also included a stipulation that the CIA had to release
47:39
Speaker 3: UFO files. They're boring, there's not much in them. They're
47:43
Speaker 3: fun at first, and then you start digging into them
47:45
Speaker 3: and it's just shit. You've heard before.
47:48
Speaker 2: There's some fun UFO files on vault dot CAA that go.
47:51
Speaker 2: You want to check out the good ones? Yeah, Google
47:55
Speaker 2: search Hindu Vada on the vaults. I go, how they
48:00
Speaker 2: think that UFOs work?
48:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that shit is super interesting.
48:04
Speaker 1: Nice.
48:05
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is the first episode of the RFK Files.
48:09
Speaker 3: We'll see how many more we get. But shit's interesting
48:13
Speaker 3: so far.
48:15
Speaker 2: Before we go. I just looked this up and I
48:16
Speaker 2: know fun fact. You know, it's Sir Hans. Sir Han's
48:18
Speaker 2: wife was named Mamhand Ma'amhand.
48:21
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I knew it, God damn it.
48:26
Speaker 3: So that's our episode. Connor, Jen, thank you both. So
48:29
Speaker 3: much for doing the pod.
48:31
Speaker 1: What thank you? Do?
48:33
Speaker 3: We have to plug before we get out of here?
48:34
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48:40
Speaker 3: The link is right in my fucking bio.
48:42
Speaker 1: There.
48:43
Speaker 3: That's all I got, Connor, what do you want to plug?
48:45
Speaker 2: Watch my comedy special Live and too soon on YouTube
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Speaker 2: dot com. Please?
48:50
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Jen?
48:51
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Speaker 3: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
49:23
Speaker 3: of here. Jen, say goodbye bye, Conor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye,
49:29
Speaker 3: goodbye everybody. We love you,