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WIFE OF 'BELOVED' DR. FACES DEATH AT SHEER CLIFF EDGE ON ROMANTIC 'GETAWAY' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, The wife of a beloved
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  Speaker 1: doctor faces death at a sheer cliff's edge on a
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  Speaker 1: romantic getaway. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: After relocating from Pennsylvania to Maui, annisteesiologist doctor Gerhard Konig
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  Speaker 2: plans a romantic birthday getaway for his wife on the
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  Speaker 2: rocky cliffs of Oahu Hooi.
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  Speaker 1: Facing death on a sheer cliff on a romantic getaway?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine the terror she felt that must have
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  Speaker 1: coursed through her body looking down at a great height
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  Speaker 1: on a very narrow trail. Joining me an all star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know now?
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  Speaker 3: But who are these people? Listen?
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  Speaker 4: Gerhard Konig, an anesthesiologist and professor at the University of
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  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Medical Center, falls head over heels for nuclear power
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  Speaker 4: plant project engineer Aril. Despite their ten year age gap,
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  Speaker 4: Gerhart and Ril are married in twenty eighteen, have their
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  Speaker 4: first baby boy in twenty twenty, and another two years later.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three, The couple decides to follow one
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  Speaker 4: of Gerhart's dreams and move from Pennsylvania to Maui.
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  Speaker 3: Hawaii.
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  Speaker 4: Gerhart becomes a partner at the Anesthesia Medical Group and
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  Speaker 4: frequently works at Maui Memorial Medical Center, while Ril retains
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  Speaker 4: her job at Tara Power.
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  Speaker 1: Again joining us an all star Panueld makes sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we are learning, what happened on.
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  Speaker 3: That narrow path on the.
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  Speaker 1: Drop of a sheer cliff's edge, straight out to special
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  Speaker 1: guests joining me four time Emmy Award winning Anchor Investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter at Hawaii News now joining us Mahealani Richardson.
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  Speaker 3: Mahalani, thank you so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, tell me about this cliff, the sheer drop.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my husband is afraid hines. He can't even
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  Speaker 1: look down, he can't ride a Ferris whale nothing.
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  Speaker 5: So tell me about this location. Well, this location is
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  Speaker 5: off the Puly Lookout. It is one of the most
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  Speaker 5: popular destinations on the island of Oahu besides Diamond Head.
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  Speaker 5: And the reason being is on the island of Oahu,
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  Speaker 5: it is just fifteen minutes away from downtown Honolulu. So
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  Speaker 5: the trail that they went on is up the Pullpuka Trail.
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  Speaker 5: It is an off limits trail. The State of Hawaii
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  Speaker 5: does not sanction people to go there, but it is
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  Speaker 5: still popular and you can see those cliffs. It has
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  Speaker 5: a wide sweeping view of Windward, Oahu. And when people
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  Speaker 5: go up this very narrow, very dangerous trail, at the
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  Speaker 5: top of it is a pukah, a hole. It is
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  Speaker 5: six feet wide and people can see through the mountain
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  Speaker 5: like a window to Windward, oh Ahu. And why so
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  Speaker 5: many people like to go there?
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US, high profile psychoanalyst out of
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  Speaker 1: la author of deal Breaker, and you can see her
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  Speaker 1: now on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Thrill
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  Speaker 1: seekers Why did.
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  Speaker 3: They do it?
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  Speaker 1: But let me just say the wife did not want
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  Speaker 1: to do this. She did not want to go on
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  Speaker 1: that narrow trail. But what is it about thrill seekers?
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  Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall. You and I talked about
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  Speaker 1: this when it happened. We took the children to Gatorland
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  Speaker 1: to see Old Florida. My son wanted to zip cord
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  Speaker 1: across very high up across a big lake full of gators.
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  Speaker 3: I mean my head. It was going off like one
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  Speaker 3: of those arcade games.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't let him, and it's very hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to say no to John David. But the thrill,
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  Speaker 1: why the people want that thrill?
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  Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, There's a drive that we actually share
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  Speaker 6: in common with all mammals, and it's kind of like
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  Speaker 6: a foraging drive. It's like when you want to go
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  Speaker 6: out explore the world, have adventures, learn new and amazing things.
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  Speaker 6: It is something that we all have, and some people
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  Speaker 6: are just able to switch that switch on and enjoy
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  Speaker 6: it and explore the world. But in this case, I
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  Speaker 6: look at this as a beautiful, beautiful setting. But gosh,
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  Speaker 6: I would be really careful on a trail like that,
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  Speaker 6: especially since the public is not even supposed.
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  Speaker 1: To go there, Doctor Bethany, there is a big difference
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  Speaker 1: and me wanting to take the twins to see new
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  Speaker 1: and different things like Yosemite, the Arch in Saint Louis,
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  Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark Trail, the Great Confluence of the
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  Speaker 1: Mighty Mississippi and the Muddy Missouri, and risking your life,
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  Speaker 1: risking your life, I mean, you just heard Mayolani Richardson
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  Speaker 1: state that this is off limits, that the government, the
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  Speaker 1: state does not sanction anybody going on this trail. Here
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  Speaker 1: she ends up facing death on that narrow trail is
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they said, don't do.
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  Speaker 6: But Nancy, now you're going to get me on my
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  Speaker 6: favorite topic, which is sociopathy. And if this alleged crime
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  Speaker 6: is true, I don't know completely what happened on that trail.
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  Speaker 6: Is that people who fall into this personality disorder have
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  Speaker 6: a lot of inner emptiness in boredom, so they seek
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  Speaker 6: out stimulating activities. They like to break the law, they
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  Speaker 6: like to have.
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  Speaker 7: Heights they like.
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  Speaker 6: They won't just ski down a mountain, they will helicopter ski,
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  Speaker 6: they'll jump out of a helicopter. So the more that
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  Speaker 6: they can push the limits, the more alive they feel.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm curious about this population who's actually trespassing and
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  Speaker 6: breaking the law and hiking in this particular spot. I
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't want to go there, and if I were the wife,
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  Speaker 6: I'd be quite suspicious of it was somebody who has
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  Speaker 6: a medical license but is actually trespassing on public property.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a very strong feeling, Philip, do you Bay
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  Speaker 1: joining me? High profile defense attorney joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: the California jurisdiction, Philip Dubay, I don't think the beloved
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  Speaker 1: doctor dragged his wife up the side of that mountain
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  Speaker 1: in Hawaii just for thrills. So how can you look
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  Speaker 1: at a jury and say he was just.
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  Speaker 3: Adventurous b s. I can't wait to hear this.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not aware of any evidence that he took her
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  Speaker 7: off the trail. This is a very heavily foot traffic
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  Speaker 7: area where there are witnesses glore. You cannot believe how
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  Speaker 7: many people from all over the world are at the
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  Speaker 7: New Uanu poly lookout point. And it's not there just
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  Speaker 7: to craft a place to commit the perfect homicide, but
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  Speaker 7: rather it's a panoramic viewpoint that is available on everything.
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  Speaker 3: Shut him up.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot believe Dubay just managed to work into the
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  Speaker 1: Senate's panoramic viewpoint.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he dragged his wife up there to
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  Speaker 1: take her off the trail. I think he dragged her
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  Speaker 1: up there to throw her off the trail. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: can you look at me, Dobay with a straight face
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  Speaker 1: and argue that was not his intent.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't want to go up there, she didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to take the trail.
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  Speaker 1: She tried to hang on to a tree for Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 1: according to what we have learned.
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  Speaker 3: But no, he insisted on a selfie at the sheer.
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  Speaker 1: Drop at the edge of the path on a cliff
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  Speaker 1: up there in the clouds, Philip Dubay.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't want to go.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but somehow she managed to get up there. I
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  Speaker 7: sincerely doubt that they're going to be able to prove
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  Speaker 7: beyond a reasonable doubt that he was holding her by
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  Speaker 7: the collar, by the back of the neck and just
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  Speaker 7: dragging her all the way up. I don't know how
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  Speaker 7: many thousands of feet just so we could knock her
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  Speaker 7: off diamond head there. It's ridiculous. I think that when
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  Speaker 7: the jury has the opportunity to flesh out the facts,
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  Speaker 7: they're going to see that this is poetry in motion
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  Speaker 7: and that he's not an octopus.
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  Speaker 3: Well did you just call this poetry in motion? Did
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  Speaker 3: he say that?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you did say this is poetry in motion? Then
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  Speaker 1: how in the hay does she get her head totally
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  Speaker 1: bashed in?
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  Speaker 3: This is a yes note. Did you just call this
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  Speaker 3: poetry in motion?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: With a capital y again joining me in All Star panel,
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  Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Bill Hernandez, Domestic Violence
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  Speaker 1: sex assault Detective, California. Never a lack of business in
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  Speaker 1: that jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 3: Bill, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, very often Bill, in situations like this, we
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  Speaker 1: see the wife going along with all the husband's hair
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  Speaker 1: brained ideas to placate the husband.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: This is an example a true I've given many many times.
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  Speaker 1: This is not from court when I prosecuted felonies. This
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  Speaker 1: is from volunteer work at the Battered Women's Center. I
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  Speaker 1: had a very well connected executive, a corporate executive, call
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  Speaker 1: home to his battered wife. She was also the perfect
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  Speaker 1: wife and tell her he was bringing people home.
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  Speaker 3: To make Mexican food. She made tacos.
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  Speaker 1: He beat her into a coma because she didn't make enchiladas.
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  Speaker 1: This woman would jump through hoops whatever the husband wanted
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  Speaker 1: to avoid a beating, to placate.
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  Speaker 3: Him, whatever the demand or the requests might be, just
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  Speaker 3: in order to keep the peace.
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  Speaker 1: They had children. She didn't want the children to see this.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want the children to know what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: He would take the phones out of the cords out
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  Speaker 1: of the wall, very off of what he would leave
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  Speaker 1: for work. And this was a very educated woman, much
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  Speaker 1: like the victim in this case, Bill Hernandez. So when
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  Speaker 1: the husband takes her for a romantic getaway, this wealthy
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  Speaker 1: doctor and assists they go on this trail together on
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  Speaker 1: the special day. That day, of course she went along.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want to cause a scene or a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that happen?
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  Speaker 3: Bill?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, It's all about course of control and power control
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  Speaker 8: and that type of relationship. And quite often I see
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  Speaker 8: this on a daily basis whenever I'm doing in my investigations.
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  Speaker 8: Is all this power control that these people exert over
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  Speaker 8: their spouses, and the spouses want to really make the
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  Speaker 8: home safe and calm and comfortable. But yet you know
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  Speaker 8: they've got to do all these things in order to
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  Speaker 8: make this other person happy, which is seemingly never able
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  Speaker 8: to happen.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, Bill, it's never enough. It never makes the
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  Speaker 1: spouse happy the partner. It's a circle. It's a circle.
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  Speaker 1: You have the blow up where the beating or the
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  Speaker 1: abuse occurs. It could be sex abuse, it could be
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  Speaker 1: a marital rape, it could just be a regular old
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  Speaker 1: fashioned beating. Then there is the honeymoon phase where the
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  Speaker 1: attacker tries to make up, tries to assume normalcy. It's
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  Speaker 1: called the sweetheart phase. Then tension begins, building, building, building building.
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  Speaker 1: There could be verbal assaults, brooding, a palpable anger in
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  Speaker 1: the air until the blow up and the next attack,
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  Speaker 1: and then it happens over and over and over. Very complicated.
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  Speaker 1: Now you know what's interesting. Straight back out to Mahealani
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  Speaker 1: Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Mahealani, this.
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  Speaker 1: Victim has been called, was called the perfect wife, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: a great mother, and just.
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  Speaker 3: The icing on the cake. Isn't she a nuclear engineer? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: highly educated Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: And that's why domestic violence experts are saying that this
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  Speaker 9: really defies stereotypes. That's what they've told me in interviews.
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  Speaker 9: Highly educated, both of them. Their friends have told her
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  Speaker 9: what you news now that they were completely shocked by
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  Speaker 9: this incident and to see this blow up on the
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  Speaker 9: news because what they had seen, especially their housekeeper who
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  Speaker 9: had just seen them the week before. She said that
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  Speaker 9: doctor Koenig was pleasant, he was respectful, he was quiet.
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  Speaker 9: She thought that he was that way because he's a
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  Speaker 9: very busy doctor. An Ariel a sweet one, a lovely woman.
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  Speaker 9: They were both very gentle and kind to the kids.
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  Speaker 9: So what it seemed to be a perfect family. And
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  Speaker 9: that's why people cannot believe that this happened.
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  Speaker 3: You know, another thing.
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  Speaker 1: To the outside world, they appeared to be a perfect couple,
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  Speaker 1: and all of the friends there are inner circle actually
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  Speaker 1: said that they weren't just happy, but that he outwardly
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  Speaker 1: doubted upon her.
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 10: Mahealani, the domestic violence experts that we've talked to had said,
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  Speaker 10: this is why this is so unbelievable, because people have
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  Speaker 10: images and thoughts about doctors.
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  Speaker 3: They are supposed to be trusted.
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  Speaker 9: They take an oath to do no harm, and so
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  Speaker 9: that's why it defies all expectations. And as for Ariel, again,
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  Speaker 9: she is a highly educated woman. We know that she
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  Speaker 9: fought back during this incident. She refused to be pushed
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  Speaker 9: off this cliff.
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  Speaker 2: Alboy should have been a romantic birthday retreat. Doctor Conan
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  Speaker 2: urges his wife Ariel to take a seemingly innocent selfie
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  Speaker 2: at the edge of the nw a Wanu Pailey lookout,
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  Speaker 2: but her gut.
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  Speaker 1: Tells there's something's off. Couple's therapy. We find out the
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  Speaker 1: two had been in couple's therapy for months. There we
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  Speaker 1: see the first crack in the relationship that something is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But you would thank doctor Bethany Marshall if they're both
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  Speaker 1: committed to couple's therapy.
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  Speaker 3: They want to save the marriage.
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  Speaker 6: You know, not necessarily, because when I see couples like
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  Speaker 6: this in treatment, often the perpetrator will try to have
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  Speaker 6: power over me, So it's a very difficult treatment setting.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, she might have been so adept at
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  Speaker 6: making his world okay that they look like to the
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  Speaker 6: perfect couple to everybody from the outside. She may have
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  Speaker 6: just been very good at pleasing him, not upsetting him.
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  Speaker 6: Women like this tend to have a sixth sense sense.
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  Speaker 6: They just know when the other person's going to get upset, So,
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  Speaker 6: you know, she I think there could have been a
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  Speaker 6: type of passivity that he exploited, even though she was
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  Speaker 6: a very powerful person in her professional life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a sixth sense, doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: It may be an intuition, but I think when you've
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  Speaker 1: lived through it so many times that it's like muscle memory.
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  Speaker 1: You know instinctively things are about to blow. Because you've
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  Speaker 1: been through it so many times, you know instinctively the
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  Speaker 1: warning signs. But I mean, having lived through so much
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  Speaker 1: abuse we're now learning I don't know what led her
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  Speaker 1: to agree to go up the side of that sheer
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  Speaker 1: cliff where she looks down facing death, and this after
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  Speaker 1: a brutal beating with a rock.
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  Speaker 3: To her skull. You know another thing.
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  Speaker 1: Straight back out to Philip Dubay, veteran trial lawyer joining
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  Speaker 1: us from the LA jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 3: Did you hear what we last reported?
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  Speaker 1: He had it all set up, the romantic vacation, having
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  Speaker 1: family members, the children.
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  Speaker 3: Relatives stay away.
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  Speaker 1: This was a celebration for her thirty six birthday, and
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  Speaker 1: he drags her up that cliff on her birthday, but
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  Speaker 1: he made sure nobody else was around. He wanted quality
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  Speaker 1: alone time translation no witnesses, Dubate, I mean when maya
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  Speaker 1: husband says, hey, let's.
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  Speaker 3: Go x, I want to take the children.
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  Speaker 1: I've been taking trips with him since college. I'm fine,
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  Speaker 1: We've been on plenty of trips. I want to be
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  Speaker 1: with the children. But no, he didn't want the boys
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  Speaker 1: to come along. Have you thought that through, Dubay?
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  Speaker 7: Of course I have, but it's still a heavily visited
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  Speaker 7: too out path and trail. You got people from all
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  Speaker 7: over the world there, and to suggest it merely because.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't ask you that well, I asked you, why
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  Speaker 3: didn't you want the boys? To come.
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  Speaker 7: The reason why is because it's a weekend away. Just
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  Speaker 7: it's a date night, if you will, a date get
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  Speaker 7: away weekend, so you don't want to have to deal
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  Speaker 7: with the kids. They have a very fancy life. They
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  Speaker 7: can afford Anna away for a couple of days and
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  Speaker 7: if they're trying to work on the marial with the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Philip debate, do you get children
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  Speaker 1: not yet? Well, let me tell you, when you have
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  Speaker 1: children and you love your children, you want to be
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  Speaker 1: with them. I wish that happiness for you. You know,
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  Speaker 1: deal with them. This would be a great trip for
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  Speaker 1: the boys. But no, he wants to get.
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  Speaker 3: Her off to himself.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to get a straight answer
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  Speaker 1: out of you, really, Hernandez. He's clearly isolating her away
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  Speaker 1: from the family so he can get her alone and
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  Speaker 1: throw her off that clip.
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  Speaker 3: It's so obvious.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, this was a planned, meticulously planned attack. It wasn't
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  Speaker 8: appear to be a moment of rage. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 8: right at the hike. There was a lot of dangerous cliffs.
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  Speaker 8: He planned it. He took her away from the family,
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  Speaker 8: he isolated her on this dangerous cliff, and it was
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  Speaker 8: obviously planned from the.
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  Speaker 1: Beginning, obviously planned, and there's more to it than that.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to the throwing off the cliff scheme, he
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  Speaker 1: also took with him while what a coinky dink, he
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  Speaker 1: happened to have a syringe full of clear liquid with him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not premeditated, But I want to focus on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he isolates her away from her family, away
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  Speaker 1: from her parents, away from her children, the things she
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  Speaker 1: loved the most, gets her along on this cliff not
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  Speaker 1: the first time. What is it about a romantic getaway
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  Speaker 1: that inspires murder?
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  Speaker 3: Listen?
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  Speaker 2: Christy Chen and Robert Dawson married in February, but waited
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  Speaker 2: five months to take the honeymoon of a lifetime in Fiji.
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  Speaker 2: The couple chose the luxurious Turtle Island Resort, an exclusive,
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  Speaker 2: secluded locale with prices that run thousands of dollars a night.
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  Speaker 2: Resort staff said the couple drank and partied on the
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  Speaker 2: beach with other guests, but then the couple argued over
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  Speaker 2: Daustin's flirtatious dancing with someone else. The Dawsons then left
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  Speaker 2: the party, but their argument continued back to their private bungalow.
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  Speaker 2: Guests next door said they hurt, arguing a loud scream
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and then silence. Chen was found slumped in the tiny
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: space between the toilet and the wall of the bathroom
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and their bungalow, covered in blood. The lid of the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: toilet cistern was cracked and broken.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He immediately tries to leave the jurisdiction there at Turtle Island,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I've been told it's one of the most beautiful places
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: in the world. This after they're both drinking, get inebriated
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: on the beach and she's dancing, and that makes him
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that angry. Doctor Bethany Marshall, I consider that just an
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: excuse anger. She didn't sleep with anyone, she didn't kiss anyone,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: she didn't hold anybody's hand.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Nothing like that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody was dancing and she was dancing, and that was
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: his excuse to start beating her. They're only five months
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: into the marriage, for Pete's sake.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: But you know, Nancy abusers are often very disregulated, meaning
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: that they will have some small perception like oh, she's
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: flirting with somebody else, and then that turns into like
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: a massive internal earthquake, and then they can't self regulate,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: and it's like their brains go offline. So I'm not
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: trying to say this isn't premeditated. But on the other hand,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: they are not to mix my metaphors, but they're always
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: about to just boil over and they notoriously have very
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: poor impulse control.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Bill Hernandez joining me,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: domestic sex assault expert, detective in California, And Bill, have
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you ever noticed, and I'm using men as the example
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: because typically, and by a large majority, they're the attacker.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed when the man an abusive relationship
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: is cheating, he then blames his wife his partner, of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: cheating when she's not. It's kind of like a guilty conscience,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and then they project that onto the woman and use
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it as an excuse to beat them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: I see that happen quite often. They often project whatever
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: they're doing onto their partner and then, you know, use
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: that as an excuse for their outburst, whether it be
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: violent or verbal.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to imagine what Ariel felt, what went
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: through her mind after fighting off a syringe attack. We
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: think after being bludgeoned in the face and head with
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a rock, then looking at death on the edge of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that cliff something about vacations and so called romantic getaways.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: What about Kenneth and Christy.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Kenneth and Christy Manzanarus are living the American dream, high
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: school sweethearts. They're married with three daughters. The Manzanares are
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: joined by Christie's brothers and parents on an Alaskan family
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: cruise aboard the Emerald Princess Cruise ship. Other passengers aboard
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: here screaming and see Kenneth Manzanares running in the hall
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: covered in blood. At first, passengers think the commotion is
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: part of a murder mystery dinner taking place about the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: same time. Then one of the three Manzanaras girls begs
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: for help, saying their mom and dad had a fight.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Christy Manzanarius, also bloody, is dead. Kenneth Manzanares tries to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: drag the body to the ship's railing. A witness grabbed
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Christi by the ankle and pulls her back in the room.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Kenneth's told the witness she wouldn't stop laughing at me,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: and told the FBI, my life is over.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Mahealani Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Now Mahealani in this case.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: That we just discussed Kenneth and Christie Manzanis, she was
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: laughing at something her husband did or said, and he
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: used that as an excuse to begin meeting her and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: kill her.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: With the children in the next room.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: On another romantic getaway, the children raised the alarm. That
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: night on the cruise ship, they were having a murder
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: mystery dinner, and witnesses thought this was part of the production,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but it was a real murder. Then he tries to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: drag her body to the edge of the cruise ship
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and get rid of it. Now, in that case, Kenneth
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Manzaneis stated she wouldn't quit laughing at me, and that
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: was his excuse for killing her. In this case that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: we're talking about now, the beloved doctor and the perfect wife,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: he accused her of having a.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Sex affair, which I don't believe happened.
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, that's what she says in documents, And what
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: was really interesting is that she says that he accused
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: her of having an extramarital affair. She also says that
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: in the months leading up to this incident that he
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: sexually assaulted and abused her. And so we have been
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: learning that there is a history of abuse, just bits
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: of information, a history of abuse before this terrible incident.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Harryel Konig hesitates to take a selfie with her husband
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: so close to the edge of Hawaii's Nuawanu Pley Cliffs.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Her instincts proved right as.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: We go to air tonight, chilling details emerging about the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: day a so called beloved and wealthy doctor lures his
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: perfect wife to a sheer cliff in Hawaii over her
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: objection she did not want to go on the trail again.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Is this something about romantic getaways that inspires murder, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: murder very often of someone's wife, the mother of their children,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: or is that part of the plan. For instance, doctor
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Scott Roston.
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: Doctor Scott Roston and his bride honeymoon aboard the cruise
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: ships Star Dancer three am, Roston reports his wife has
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: gone overboard. At first, he says she has been blown
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: off the jogging track. He then says he recalls Karen
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: falling overboard as he tries without success to catch her.
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: Ship's crew report Rosston has triangular gouges on his face
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: in a four inch scratch. When Karen's body is found
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: thirty miles southwest of San Diego. There are signs of
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: hemorrhage in her neck and eyes, and her neck bones
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: have evidence of manual strangulation. Rawston tries one more far
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: fetched explanation, saying Israeli agents killed Karen because of a
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: book he published. Broston has been convicted in Karen's death.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Good gravy, Philip Debay.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: First, he says, his wife, and this is on their honeymoon,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: was quote blown off the cruise ship's jogging track.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: First of all.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Then he says, Israeli agents killed her because of a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: book he published.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: What defense attorney told him to say that?
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: Well, did it ever occur to anybody that it's true?
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: Have you ever been on that?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Of course it never occurred to me that is really
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: agous killed.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Her because of his book? No, that never crossed my mind.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Of course, not because you want to give the defense
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: the shaft, that's why. But did it ever occur to you?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: The truth is stranger than fiction at times, that's his defense.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: Let him put it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Up, starting to believe it right now?
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, let's let a jury decide rather than
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: exclude it. Yes, it might be they did. They convicted him,
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: but sometimes that's all you got. And in the defense world.
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: You're just glad to even have something to say at times.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: And if that's what he said, the jury didn't buy it,
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: then you'll let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunate.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I can't believe it. You actually spoke the truth. Debay. Sure,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I guess even a.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Dumpster gets a stake once in a while. Now, wait
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a minute. Did you start your explanation by asking me,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: have I ever gone jogging on a cruise ship.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Or just been on a cruise ship? Let me tell
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: you what You're a yes, many.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Many times, specifically Disney cruises.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: You get some pretty powerfuls. You get some powerful yes.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I've jogged and walked on a cruise ship on their
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: jogging trail with my daughter, who weighs about eighty pounds,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and never once did I fear the wind was going to.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Blow her overboard?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: What like Mary, Papa's just take off with an umbrella,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and you know, nor did I fear Israeli ages We're
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: going to shoot us at in.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: I understand, and I'm telling you it was a fantastical
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: fact pattern. And whether or not a jury bisea that's
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: the issue. And he lost. I understand that, but it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: not to say that a person could not relate, particularly
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: those who have been on cruises before, that there are strong,
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: heavy winds on the top deck. Remember that scene from
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: The Titanic, you see the couple out there holding their arms.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Out that it's not real. That was a movie.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: Oh, of course, nothing is real if you need it
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: in real life. Okay, but it's certainly based on.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: We even know what that meant.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Nothing's real if you need it in real life.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Ps.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: We researched and it came out at trial the winds
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: were five miles an hour.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, well not really a nor' easter.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: You can be impeached with an almanac.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yes you can, but say you've got it bass Ackwards.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: The defense said that not me. They did and they
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: were impeached. You know what, I'm not getting anywhere with you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Emily jan Schwartz just twenty two.
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: Emily Jean Swartz twenty two, is reported missing after her
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: husband Joseph for Lazzo, returns from the couple's anniversary trip
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: without her. For Lozo says he and Emily argue and
• 29:06
  Speaker 12: she storms off. After a lengthy police interrogation, for Laso
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: admits that while Emily is lying on the bed in
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: their converted travel bus. He grabs his glock handgun and
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: shoots her in the head twice for Loazzo then uses
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: a handsaw to dismember the body, placing parts in garbage
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: bags in the camper.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Debai, Did he think nobody would notice that they go
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: on an anniversary trip and it comes back without her?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: It's like Brian laundry. Yeah, where's Gabby?
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: What?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: She was right there in the Ford transit when we
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: took off across the country.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: What happened?
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's going to have to come up with some
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: kind of a story as to how she came to
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: her to minds at the hands of somebody else, or
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: by accident or natural causes. But not once it will
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: he point the finger at himself. But he will have
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: some type of an explanation. And what could it be?
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Who knows? Maybe she took off on her own, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: or maybe she slipped in Faalfell and her life somehow,
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: or maybe he, in the fact, had a hand in it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: But is that proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: snuffed her out. It's not enough evidence, you know.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious about why these attacks on why spouse's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: girlfriends happen on romantic occasions like the anniversary, like the honeymoon.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: But joining me right now before I throw that to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: our renowned shrink doctor Bethany a special guest now joining
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: us doctor Catherine Hannan, chief reconstructive plastic surgery at Veterans
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Affairs Medical Center in DC. Now, I guarantee you she's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of reconstructive surgery at Veterans Affairs, owner
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of Washington Women Plastic Surgery. Well, hold on, doctor Hannon,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Were you were there when the attempt occurred.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: I was on a spring break with my family on
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: who actually staying on the North Shore, and there were
• 31:03
  Speaker 13: I was. I didn't know about the incident at the time,
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: but received some text messages from concerned friends when they
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: heard that there was an incident with antsysiologist attacking his wife.
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: And my husband happens to be an anis causiologist. So
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: fortunately I was able to lay everyone's fears that I
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: was okay. But it's such a devastating story. I'm still
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: my stars could.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Happen, doctor Hannon? People actually thought it was you, well, they.
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: Knew friends and family knew I was on vacation on
• 31:30
  Speaker 13: o Wahu and my husband is an anisthesiologist.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: So Wow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Doctor Catherine Hannah joining us, a renowned plastic surgeon. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about the case we just discussed
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: about the honeymoon attempt where Dubey valiantly tried to defend
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the husband who claimed that winds had blown his wife
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: off the deck and or Israeli agents had killed her
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: because of a book he published. How would he explain
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: triangular gouges on his face and a four inch.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Scratch.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about those triangular gouges on
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: his face, but also the hemorrhage in her.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Neck and eyes and neck bones. What that means?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Because her body was found many many miles away. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: what let's start with the victim. What does that mean
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: regarding hemorrhage.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: In her neck and eyes? What is that?
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: So it's pretty significant and consistent with asphyxiation. There's usually
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: other patterns too, like you can look for finger marks
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: on the neck. You don't know if he used other
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: instruments to try to strangulate her, but that pressure on
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: the neck, the blood can't flow to the brain from
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: the heart and back down, so oxygen ceases to the
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: brain and you get little blood vessels breaking all over
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: the place.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Doctor Hannon, what about the triangular gouges on his face.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I guess the Israeli agents did that too.
• 33:21
  Speaker 13: My assumption is it's fingernails. There are all kinds of
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: I don't typically do my nails with acrylic or anything
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: like that, but they can often be pointy shaped and
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: be consistent with that kind of defense move if she's
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: trying to get him, if he's on top of her,
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: she's trying to push him off. That can certainly be
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: one of the ideologies of how that happened.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Doctor Catherine Hannon, I want to focus just one moment
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on the fact that not only did the so called
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: beloved a doctor in this case, comment his wife with
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a syringe full of clear liquid, she fought that off.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: We have now deduced, in addition to dragging her to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff, we also know we are
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: now learning by physical examination, that he bludgeoned her.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: In the head and face with a rock before the cliff.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Have you noticed, doctor Hannon, that very often women are
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: disfigured either their genitals, their breasts, or their face in attacks, I.
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: Do see that. I have seen quite a few, unfortunately,
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: victims of domestic intimate partner violence. It's often bruises from
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: I assume hand fist punching. Sometimes those don't leave permanent marks,
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: but we do see permanent scars on the face. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: don't see as much of the genital violence. I think
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: more emergency room doctors and gynecologists see that. But yes,
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: there is an attempt to take that beauty away. It's
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: a control issue, is all I can assume.
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: At first, Ariel thinks Gertthard is playing around, but when
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: he shots her toward the edge of the cliff again,
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: fear sets in Ariel, now believing her husband is trying
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: to kill her. Ariel dives to the ground away from
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: the edge, and her husband is immediately on her, pinning
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: her down. The anesthesiologist pulls a syringe in a vial
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: from his bag and attempts to fill the syringe to
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: inject her. Ariel manages to knock the syringe from Koenig's hands,
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: and the doctor briefly digs in his bag again, possibly
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: looking for another Then he changes his mind, instead reaching
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: for a rock.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Koenig bashes his wife in the head repeatedly to doctor
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Catherine Hannon.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: What have we learned about the injuries to her skull
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and face before she's dragged to the cliff's edge.
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: My understanding is that she's bleeding. There was evidence that
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: the hikers that notified police saw lots of blood, So
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: the scalp the face bleeds excessively as anyone who knows
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: who's gotten a small cut. Even so, we know that
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: it probably was some facial lacerations. Who could have been scalped,
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: And then oftentimes, if you're defending yourself, you can get
• 36:26
  Speaker 13: injuries to your hand as well. So I don't know
• 36:29
  Speaker 13: if she actually had a brain injury at that time
• 36:32
  Speaker 13: that would have impaired her ability to fight back further
• 36:36
  Speaker 13: as he dragged her.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Now, it's amazing to me, Mayhlani Richardson joining us from
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Hawaii News now that she actually was like clinging onto
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a tree. Yet he lures her then says, quote, get
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: back over there. I'm so sick of you. He says
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that to her. Then she realizes this is real. What
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: more have we learned about that syringe that he had
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: conveniently in his bag?
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, it's important to remember that before that she
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: gets up into the tree, he has her bag and
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: cell phone, so she doesn't have belongings anymore. As for
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: that syringe, we have learned that she didn't know the
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: substance inside the syringe, and so she feared because he's
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: an anesthesiologist, that he has access to potentially lethal medication.
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: So she fears for her life. And during this struggle
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: we've learned that he allegedly reached into his bag. He
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: already had another vial in his hand, and he allegedly
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: reached into his bag and she feared it was another syringe.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Now, as you're taking a look at the so called
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: perfect couple, it all comes crashing down when the two
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: on her thirty sixth birthday, leaving the children behind, go
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to a.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Sheer cliff's edge.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall Philip Dbay cannot explain his way out
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of this. The syringes the doctor took with him, that's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: clear premeditation, Nancy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: He was planning to do this alleged crime. But I
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: think that there's a type of clumsiness too. I mean
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: putting on her tree and then pushing her to the
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: cliff's edge and then trying to use a syringe.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: It's like the doctor had this.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Illusion of complete power like he has over his patients
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: when he does antithesiology, when he anesthetizes them. He thought
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: he could kind of anesthetize her too, so the illusion
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: of power slipped when she had a dawning of realization.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: She knew what was happening and she started to protect herself.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Bill Hernandez, Why they attack to her face and skull,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I've seen that so many times. By the time I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: would get a don Reel domestic relations attack, it would
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be a felony such as aggravated as salt, aggravated battery
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: where the victim loses use of a limb or an eye,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: or they can't hear where you actually lose use a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: part of your body, or a murder. And I would
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: always see facial attacks where the head is totally bashed
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: in the face is disfigured.
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  Speaker 3: Why. I'm sure you've got a theory.
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  Speaker 9: Well.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of times it is to disfigure them so
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  Speaker 8: that other people will not find them attractive. But in
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  Speaker 8: this case, I think he was also trying to knock
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  Speaker 8: her unconscious so he could throw her off the cliff
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  Speaker 8: and making it appear as if she accidentally fell off
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  Speaker 8: the cliff and it was an accidental death, so making
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  Speaker 8: it a staged homicide.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, Ariel struggles against her husband's vicious attack
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  Speaker 2: and tries to shield her face with their hands. Conig
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: tries swinging, crushing Ariel's thumb with the rock. Ariel starts
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  Speaker 2: screaming for help, and a pair of hikers rush up
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  Speaker 2: the trail after hearing her cry, the hiker's approach and
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  Speaker 2: starts shouting at Koning, who immediately stops hitting Ariel, drops
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  Speaker 2: the rock and takes off down the trail. Ariel weakly
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  Speaker 2: crawls toward her rescuers, sobbing he tried to kill me
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: as they dial nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: After this brutal attack, we learn so much more about
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: what happened behind closed doors. Take a listen from our
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  Speaker 1: forensic Kho N two.
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  Speaker 6: When you walk into their home, you felt the happiness,
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  Speaker 6: you felt the love in the atmosphere and inlight. Like
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  Speaker 6: I said, it's just shocking.
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  Speaker 2: Ariel's petition for a restraining order against her husband reveals
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  Speaker 2: the harrowing details of Koenig's attack on his wife and
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  Speaker 2: the mother of his children. Ariel says she has no
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  Speaker 2: idea what was in the vile Konig tried to inject
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  Speaker 2: her with, but fears it was deadly medication stolen from
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  Speaker 2: his workplace. Ariel also claims Koenig told his adult son
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  Speaker 2: that he tried to kill her just minutes after the attack.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Ariel has little explanation for why Konig tried to kill her,
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  Speaker 2: dear it stems from his belief she had an affair.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Ariel writes in her filing that her husband has recently
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  Speaker 2: physically and sexually abused her.
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  Speaker 1: From our forensic ko n two straight out to Mahealani
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  Speaker 1: Richardson joining us Emmy Award winning anchor Hawaii needs now, Mayhealani,
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  Speaker 1: we are learning so much in that restraining order, for instance.
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  Speaker 9: Well Nancy, in that restraining order, we learned that during
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  Speaker 9: this alleged violent attack that doctor Koenig, she says that
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  Speaker 9: he tried to bash her, not just repeatedly, but she
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  Speaker 9: uses a number ten times, and she fought back. She
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  Speaker 9: threw herself to the ground, knowing that she could potentially
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  Speaker 9: be thrown off this cliff, and in the struggle, he's
• 41:48
  Speaker 9: on top of her, she's on top of him. There
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: is a struggle, she's grabbed by the hair. According to
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  Speaker 9: the documents, he pushes her face into the ground, and
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  Speaker 9: in her attempt to fight back, she bid.
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  Speaker 3: His forearm, or what she thought was his forearm.
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  Speaker 1: In the last days, we learn the so called good
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  Speaker 1: a doctor tries to hide his face from view. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder why we also learn in those court documents that
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  Speaker 1: she Ari Yelle accuses her husband, the doctor, viciously beating
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  Speaker 1: her over and over and sex assaulting her during the
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  Speaker 1: marriage leading up to that. Sheer cliff drop.
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  Speaker 3: If you know or think you know anything.
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  Speaker 1: As a state builds its case, please dial eight and
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  Speaker 1: zero eight nine five eighty three hundred, repeat eight and
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  Speaker 1: zero eight eighty three hundred. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
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  Speaker 13: Give