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Mac & Bone Show - Brentson Buckner Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And Brinson Buckner, former D-lineman for your Carolina Panthers, among
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  Speaker 1: other teams, joins us here on the Mac and Bone Show. Buck,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? Buck, does it annoy you that we
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  Speaker 1: only have asked you after losses this year? If so,
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  Speaker 1: it's Mac's idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it really is. Really irritating.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're going.
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  Speaker 1: To make that good. Buck's like, Mac, I'm actually not
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  Speaker 1: joking this time, Mac. All right, well, I apologize. It's
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  Speaker 1: just that we want explanations, but maybe we'll find. Next
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  Speaker 1: lost bone, note to selves, let's find like Al Wallace
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  Speaker 1: or someone else to explain for that week.
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  Speaker 4: You should put Mac on your podcast, Buck, every time
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  Speaker 4: his youth soccer team loses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Mac, what the hell are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: All right. Buck.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I think another thing is like the bears game.
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  Speaker 1: When we talked to you after, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are firing questions that they want you asked
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  Speaker 1: about the run defense. Like, like when you were watching
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  Speaker 1: that game, were you feeling like, because I keep hearing
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  Speaker 1: about the counter runs that the bucks were running. Someone's saying,
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  Speaker 1: ask Buck about the two gap runs and all this. Like,
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  Speaker 1: were they being schemed to where they were doing something
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  Speaker 1: that we were not like adjusting to or ready for?
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  Speaker 1: Were they being manhandled a little bit of both? Like,
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  Speaker 1: how would you describe it?
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  Speaker 2: From a scheme point of view, I thought Tampa did
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  Speaker 2: a great job of moving the gaps on the move
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  Speaker 2: by running gap schemes where they where they pull people
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  Speaker 2: to use wide receivers to pull. But one run that
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  Speaker 2: I kept on seeing showing up where they was running
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  Speaker 2: the crunch play and the crunch play is where you
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  Speaker 2: got a tight end off the ball. He whams on
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  Speaker 2: the three technique. They trap the two-eye. They insert the
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver to crack on the safety, and they was
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  Speaker 2: making the cornerback have to run replace the sack. on
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  Speaker 2: the inside gaps, which is extremely hard for cornerbacks because
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to go in it. And they was
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  Speaker 2: creating angles on the best players, whamming of Dee Brown.
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  Speaker 2: They was getting a crack back on Devin Lord and
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  Speaker 2: inside linebackers, and they was forcing the cornerbacks to have
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  Speaker 2: to tackle. And if your cornerback is not super aggressive
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  Speaker 2: or not used to feeling in there, or don't want
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  Speaker 2: to stick your face in the fan, that's a six
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  Speaker 2: to seven yard game. And if he makes that cornerback
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  Speaker 2: or that defensive back miss, then you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: the long runs. And they continually, you know, they did it.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to say that sooner or later, I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking the football IQ of the defensive players got
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  Speaker 2: to kick in. I've seen this formation before. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: this motion. This tight end is off. Oh, let me
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  Speaker 2: anticipate this play. I just didn't see no anticipation because
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  Speaker 2: I think Carolina defense started to panic after a while.
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  Speaker 2: And once you start to panic as a defensive guy,
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  Speaker 2: the building is crumbling now because you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: guys getting out of their gaps, guys going to try
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  Speaker 2: to make plays when they shouldn't make a play, especially
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  Speaker 2: on double teams sometimes. Sometimes on a double team, you
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  Speaker 2: just got to sit there and hold ground and like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: my teammate got to make the play. But I saw
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  Speaker 2: a defensive lineman trying to get out of double teams,
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  Speaker 2: and now he creates a soft pocket in the run game.
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  Speaker 2: And Campbell kept on doing it, and Carolina could never
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  Speaker 2: calm themselves down.
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  Speaker 4: Buck, it appears to us here, the common folk, that
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  Speaker 4: Derrick Brown is not necessarily having the impact that he
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  Speaker 4: normally has with his dominant self. Are you seeing that, too?
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  Speaker 4: And if so, what might be leading to that this year?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you really look at it, if we know
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  Speaker 2: David Brown is good, I'm pretty sure those 31 other
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  Speaker 2: teams know that's the guy that we got to block.
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  Speaker 2: So they are making a conservative effort to take him
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  Speaker 2: out of the game. They're doubling him. They're trapping him.
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  Speaker 2: They're whamming him. They're doing things to make him freeze
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  Speaker 2: his feet and make him think. But that's what happens
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  Speaker 2: to good defensive linemen. And they're attacking more on the edges, too,
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  Speaker 2: because the inside part of your defense is your strength,
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  Speaker 2: especially when Phillips is not there to play outside linebackers.
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  Speaker 2: So when Phillips is not there, they say, let's attack
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  Speaker 2: the edges. The two starting cornersbacks, Horn and Jackson, are
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  Speaker 2: big physical corners who get in the running game. But
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  Speaker 2: now your two young guys, they don't know what they
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  Speaker 2: don't know. So those guys right there are coming from
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  Speaker 2: college where they're usually just running nine routes and eight
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  Speaker 2: routes and and covering and tackling bubble screens. Now in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL, they're taking an attack with crack tosses and
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  Speaker 2: bounce plays, and they have to take on offensive lines
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  Speaker 2: and tackle NFL-style running backs, so they're not seeing it.
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  Speaker 2: So the run attack that's happening to Derrick Brown, he's
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  Speaker 2: seeing a lot of different ways they're attacking him, but
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  Speaker 2: they're attacking Carolina on the premises.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, when you talk about the corners,
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  Speaker 1: we're missing two corners, and multiple texters are pointing this
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  Speaker 1: out too, Buck. You're missing Mike, Jack, and Horn. We
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't just talk about their coverage, because clearly they are
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  Speaker 1: willing tacklers, physical tacklers, and the guys that are in
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  Speaker 1: there for them, they're being called out essentially, right? Let's
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  Speaker 1: see if you can make... We're talking with Brinson Buckner,
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  Speaker 1: who is here, but not happy bone. That he is
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  Speaker 1: the designated after a loss, explain to us guy.
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  Speaker 3: He might not be happy to talk to us after
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  Speaker 3: a win either, though. We're not sure about this.
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  Speaker 2: That is true.
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  Speaker 3: That is definitely true.
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  Speaker 1: Buck, on the other side of the ball, Buck, It
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  Speaker 1: was it was ugly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the pass protection was ugly. The turnovers.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about Bryce's game is he had been pressured
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  Speaker 1: previously a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But had not made those mistakes. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: was happening? Is it just is it just one of
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  Speaker 1: those days or was there something specific about the pressure
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  Speaker 1: he was facing on Sunday that made him make those mistakes?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I thought Tampa did a good job of getting
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  Speaker 2: pressure up the middle, which normally forces Bryce outside the
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  Speaker 2: pocket where he's been good on the edges. But they
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  Speaker 2: did a good job of containing the edges, too. So
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  Speaker 2: now Bryce had to deal with pressure in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: They corralled him in the pocket. They wouldn't let him
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  Speaker 2: escape to open air so he could see downfield. And
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  Speaker 2: it sort of hurt him. But if you're a quarterback and–
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't the pressure rate one of the highs of the
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  Speaker 2: season for any team that Tampa Bay had versus us? No,
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  Speaker 2: that gets to you. Because a lot of times, and
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  Speaker 2: it ends up in sacks, but as a defensive line coach,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really talk about sacks. We talk about make
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback uncomfortable. make him uncomfortable early, then the sacks
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  Speaker 2: would come. Well, guess what? They made him uncomfortable early.
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  Speaker 2: Then his offensive linemen get hurt. Then they're not playing well.
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  Speaker 2: Then that abdominal effect started to trickle down. So now
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  Speaker 2: those pressures became sacks. Now he's starting to rush himself.
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  Speaker 2: He can't follow through throws because he don't know if
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  Speaker 2: somebody's at his feet or he's about to get hit.
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  Speaker 2: And so you pull back on the throws, and Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay took advantage.
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  Speaker 4: Buck, these Thursday night games can be kind of hard
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  Speaker 4: to judge and predict at times. What do you feel
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  Speaker 4: about the Packers game? What Panther team might show up?
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  Speaker 4: And how worrisome is this matchup from the standpoint of
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  Speaker 4: how the Packers like to attack down the field as
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  Speaker 4: much as they do?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It's good for one reason. You get
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  Speaker 2: a chance to get this game behind your back because
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  Speaker 2: you go right into the next week for the players'
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  Speaker 2: mental mentality. But going to play a Packers team who
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  Speaker 2: lost to Detroit, Packers just got their running back in
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  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. He wasn't a big part of their running
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  Speaker 2: game on Sunday because they threw it a lot. But
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  Speaker 2: they're going to look at this film and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's get our running game on track. We got good
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  Speaker 2: enough wide receivers to go downtown to try to attack
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  Speaker 2: their young cornerbacks and and put stress on the Panthers' defense,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be about the Panthers. That's what you
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  Speaker 2: try to tell your team at the loss like this.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not worry about the next team. Let's worry about us.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get better at us. We can't depend on what
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  Speaker 2: they do. They're practicing just like we're practicing, but let's
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  Speaker 2: get better at what we do. Let's be better at
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  Speaker 2: what we do than they do and let the things go.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe going on the road, getting away from Mac negatives,
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  Speaker 2: because Mac, you can't leave the parade and the funeral.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You know it's a parade
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  Speaker 2: before the game, but then you're standing in the pool
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  Speaker 2: pit and you're throwing everybody to hell after the game.
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  Speaker 2: So get away from everything. Let it calm down. Just
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  Speaker 2: play football.
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  Speaker 1: That is a quote of all quotes. Buck, that's right
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  Speaker 1: up there. Put that on our quote board up there.
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  Speaker 1: That's right up there, Buck, with your pressure makes a
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  Speaker 1: monkey eat a hot pepper quote, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you see it. It gets mentioned
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  Speaker 1: by a Panther reporter like every season. They bring that
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  Speaker 1: quote back. It's an all-time great. But anyway, Mac, you
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  Speaker 1: cannot lead the parade, and the funeral is right up there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so final question, Buck, and I just ask
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  Speaker 1: you because we get it all the time, but you
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  Speaker 1: are certainly aware, Buck, how much.
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  Speaker 3: More knowledge you have than we do, so I'm asking you.
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  Speaker 1: Just during this conversation, sounds like Buck is explaining a
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that could not adjust. Sounds like Buck could
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  Speaker 1: do a better job as D.C.
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  Speaker 3: Than Avero. So I just want to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel like Sunday was a bad day for
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  Speaker 1: Avero because of what they did? But do you put
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that on coaching? Because you know how
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  Speaker 1: fans are. They put a lot of it on the coach.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't put it on coach. And I've been
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  Speaker 2: a coach. And I've been a coach. One thing I
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  Speaker 2: can tell you, coaches spend so much time watching film,
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  Speaker 2: trying to chew it up to make it so simple
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  Speaker 2: for our guys. But come Sunday, it's about your players, man.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of times, you know, sometimes on
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  Speaker 2: Sundays that they're Jimmy and Joe's are better than your
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy and Joe's. Just think. Every run defense that is
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  Speaker 2: put into play is meant to tackle every run for
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  Speaker 2: a zero-yard game because every gap is accounted for on
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  Speaker 2: run defense. Believe it or not, I can show you
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  Speaker 2: a playbook. Every gap on every run play is accounted for.
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  Speaker 2: The guys that got to do the accounting, are they
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  Speaker 2: doing what they're supposed to do? And, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: nothing in that playbook can save some people. You know,
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  Speaker 2: one thing that irritates me, we didn't blitz enough. Well,
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  Speaker 2: blitz is not the call for everything because blitzes only
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  Speaker 2: work when your base defense is working and you're making
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  Speaker 2: somebody have to, on offense, have to make ways to
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  Speaker 2: try to, oh, we got to show focus on this
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  Speaker 2: guy right here. Well, all right, they're going to set
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  Speaker 2: all the focus over there to pep. let's bring the
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  Speaker 2: blitz from the other side where they should be weak.
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  Speaker 2: But if they're manhandling you or they're having success, you
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  Speaker 2: just got to bow your back as a player. Now, coaches,
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  Speaker 2: everybody we into it. No coaches don't point the finger,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't like it all the time when y'all
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  Speaker 2: just point at a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: because you practice perfection. You practice these things are totally working.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes, You don't have an answer, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: keeps coaches up at night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's what keeps us in the office. We're trying to
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  Speaker 2: find answers. Believe me, they're trying to find answers. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: the players have to save us. You know, and Dick
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  Speaker 2: LeBose used to say it all the time. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to call this play. They're going to have a play, too,
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  Speaker 2: because they practiced. One of y'all saved my job. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And that's the pride you have. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: let's save our defensive coordinator. Let's make him right as
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  Speaker 2: much as the offense want to make him wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: So the last thing I'll ask you about that, the
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  Speaker 1: way you described that in your answer was great because
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  Speaker 1: I got like a picture of it. You're like, every
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  Speaker 1: gap is accounted for on every run play. So then
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  Speaker 1: I start thinking, OK, well, guys are out of their gaps. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You got you talk all the time about gap sound
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. What is the what what what
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  Speaker 1: was the number one reason on Sunday where guys were
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  Speaker 1: out of their gap?
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  Speaker 3: Was it another.
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  Speaker 1: Big body moving, you know, our big bodies or getting
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  Speaker 1: to our linebackers and moving them? Or was it like
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  Speaker 1: lack of discipline where this dude tries to, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a bounce out here, make a play.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, crap. I didn't do my like was was it
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  Speaker 3: one more than the other?
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  Speaker 2: I think it started off with the way Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 2: was moving the gaps. You know, standing gaps, everybody come
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  Speaker 2: off the ball, your gap is right in front of you.
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  Speaker 2: But when you start adding gap schemes, you're pulling guards,
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  Speaker 2: you're pulling tight ends and even wide receivers, those guys
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  Speaker 2: carry two new gaps with them. So now on the defense,
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  Speaker 2: you got to float and refit your gap. And if
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  Speaker 2: you don't refit them the right way or your gap
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  Speaker 2: responsibility changes, Like if I'm playing man-to-man at cornerback and
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  Speaker 2: my wide receiver cracks the safety, well, that wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: carries my run gap. And he just brought me down
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  Speaker 2: in the box when I'm not used to fitting. So
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm late on my fit or I don't get there.
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  Speaker 2: And then those runs begin to pop. So now you
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  Speaker 2: get somebody trying to trying to over-exaggerate to do more
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  Speaker 2: than they're supposed to be. And Tampa Bay running backs
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  Speaker 2: are good. Bucky Irving, to me, is an up-and-coming back
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  Speaker 2: in this league. And his vision is so great where
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  Speaker 2: he can see he's running. You see his eyes scanning.
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  Speaker 2: And if he sees somebody on the backside jump out
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  Speaker 2: of his gap, oh, he gets to the edge. Or
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  Speaker 2: if they are cracking and that cornerback squeezes too hard
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  Speaker 2: and that defensive end starts to squeeze too hard, he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to use my speed to get to the edge.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it became– a Rob Peter to pay Paul. Well,
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  Speaker 2: all right, we're getting them inside. Boom, they're going. They're
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  Speaker 2: overcompensating getting inside. Now I'm going to attack inside. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bounce. And then you begin, people start
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  Speaker 2: to panic. Panic sets in. When panic sets in, it's
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  Speaker 2: just like somebody come in and yell, he got a gun.
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  Speaker 2: People are not going to run in a straight line.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's going to trample one another. And that's what started
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  Speaker 2: to happen on the defense. Guys, God, they got to
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  Speaker 2: start trembling on one another, and the good running backs
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  Speaker 2: are going to find.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: That happens, Buck. I'm out of here. I'm out of here, man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving my gap, Buck.
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  Speaker 3: Shoving me down. I'll be like Costanza Bone running the
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  Speaker 3: kids over to get out.
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  Speaker 4: Buck, you know what's the, we're not a show that
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  Speaker 4: panics often.
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  Speaker 3: All right, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Buck is freaking amazing. Those were great answers and explanations.
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  Speaker 1: So we all got to repay him. Y'all listen when
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  Speaker 1: you get a chance. Certainly not before 10 o'clock, though.
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  Speaker 1: All right. But after that, listen when you get a chance.
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  Speaker 1: All seriousness, the Brenton Buckners, Buck Naked Truth Podcast, him
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  Speaker 1: and the great No Limit Larry talking it all up. Buck,
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  Speaker 1: great job as always, man. We appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: All right. One time for the one time.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Buck.
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  Speaker 2: One time. One time.