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The Health Revolution Episode 4- Clive De Carle And Nickita Starck · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Ballow. Welcome to another UK Column edition of the Health Revolution,
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and today I'm very very pleased to be joined by
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Nikita Stark, who has the wonderfully named organization when Push
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Comes to Shove and the very first show I did,
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I think it must have been twenty fourteen or something
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like that here on UK Column was with Natasha Campbell McBride,
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who is absolutely brilliant when it comes to children and
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particularly reversing the symptoms known as autism. So I wanted
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to bring somebody else back who has the most fantastic
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information that people who are pregnant or thinking of becoming
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pregnant really really need to know. So I'm simper pleased
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happy here Nikita, thank you, thank you so much for
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having me Clive.
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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure.
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Speaker 1: So how did you get started and all this?
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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose my obsession with birth again after my
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first daughter was born in two thousand and eight, and
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it was an awful, awful birth experience. The trauma ran
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deep for quite a long time. It was I'm fine
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talking about it now, but I had a really difficult
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time speaking about my childbirth experience for quite a while.
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But it was so bad and I spoke to my
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grandmother about it, and she said something that changed my world.
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So my grandmother had seven children, and I couldn't believe
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she'd done it seven times because of what I had
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experienced was so vile. I thought, how did this mad
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woman do this so many times? I spoke to her
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and I said, Nanny, what on earth are you thinking
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doing it this much? Because trauma is so normal? And
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that's when she changed my world. She said, no, my darling,
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trauma is not normal. It's common. There's a difference. And
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something just went off in my brain and I became
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obsessed to learn about the nuances of not just childbirth,
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but systemic childbirth, to understand why so many women were
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experiencing a great deal of trauma and why the system
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is set up that way. I started Midwiffree and I
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hated it because to me, it was a convey about
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system and midwife is meant to mean with women, but
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as far as I could see, it meant with system.
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And this was not continuity of care, this was not
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autonomous practice. This was a checkbox exercise and let's do
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everything just in case we get sued. And it didn't
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sit right with me and my values, and as far
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as I can see at the time, my story was
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not unique. Anyway, fast forward sixteen years later. My second
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child was born at home in twenty twenty in the
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most blissful, incredible birth experience. And I wouldn't even describe
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it as painful that experience. It was just so intense
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because it's called labor for a reason. It's hard work.
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But it was just incredible. So when independent midwives lost
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their insurance in twenty twenty because they were able to
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look after women with continuity of care autonomously, I thought, Oh,
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that's it. That's the end for women and their chances
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to have autonomy. So when push comes to shop now,
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I didn't actually start it as it's developed. I didn't
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mean to set out to create what I have created.
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All I wanted to do was spread the word about choice,
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to educate women in their choices and their birth options,
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and to understand, Hey, all this trauma you hear about,
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do you think maybe it's probably caused by the system
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that saved you? And yeah, and now we've evolved to
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be the only decentralized maternity structure I suppose you could
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call it. I've trained over one hundred and forty women
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to do what I do. And we're in ten countries
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and we boast a seventy seven percent home birth rate
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compared to a two percent national leverage, and we have
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only a seven percentes arian section rate and one hundred
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percent of our babies are breastford.
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Speaker 1: And I believe a few years ago the cesarean rate
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was more like three percent, but correctly if I'm wrong, there.
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Speaker 2: No the cesarian section rate from the nineties was around
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about fifteen percent, but we're now approaching fifty.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Is that because they want to go home at
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five or thirty on a Friday afternoon and don't want
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an inconvenient birth at two in the morning.
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Speaker 2: There's certainly an element of that to it, and it's
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pretty pretty layered. I think the main reason is over
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medicalization of birth, so when you start one intervention, there
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will be a cascade of more interventions that will lead
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to the emergency cesarean section. The other major problem is education,
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both for with free students in midw free and women.
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So it's it's kind of bizarre. So if a woman's
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getting married, she will spend a fortune on the wedding
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and she will spend a long time researching into the dress,
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the venue, But when it comes to birth, seldom do
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women research it because they believe it's taken care of.
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But it wouldn't happen in any other arena. You wouldn't
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go to a hairdressers and say I'd like a fringe please,
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and they going no, we only shave your head here.
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You wouldn't go okay, you'd go somewhere else. But women
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don't realize they have a choice. Like when they're being
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told you have to be induced, to have to have
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a c section or whatever the intervention is, it's almost
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like they assume it's law, not a guideline. And further still,
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I don't think I mean, I surveyed hundreds of midwives
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and they didn't know the answer to this. Maternity care
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is only eight percent Category eight evidence based. So when
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you're being told you have to this, yefter that have that,
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the likelihood is it's not based on any evidence whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's probably true of pretty much every
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medication that exists. They certainly haven't done interactions between this
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medication and the other twelve they're going to try and
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give you, and the financial incentive for the pharmaceutical industry
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to convince doctors that what they're offering is the only
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sensible way is unreal.
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Speaker 2: I think women they enter the system happy and healthy,
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and many leave downtrodden and traumatized, and they believe their
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body has failed them. And I hear all the time, well,
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I actually had to have this C section because my
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baby's heart rate went down or whatever the emergency was.
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And it's almost like they come away with a slight
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sense of Stockholm syndrome. I know I did, but I
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want women to understand that they didn't do anything. Their
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bodies didn't fail them, the system failed them. Of course
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you're going to have issues with in generally speaking, women's
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diets are terribly poor processed food, not enough protein. It's
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not learned in Midwiffree about the connection between blood volume
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expansion and needing protein. Therefore it's not taught to women
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in understanding the correct nutrition. If women did understand it,
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you could prevent a multitude develpments like queer clamsier, placental abruption,
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gestational diabetes. So when women say, I'll give you a
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really common scenario, and I'm sure many people watching this
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will go that happened to me. And if you are triggered,
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get on the phone. We can help you fore your trauma.
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So a woman's told you're over June. This is utter nonsense,
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Like babies don't have an eviction. They come when they're ready.
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But they're told if you go over forty one weeks,
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your chances are still birth double. And that's really intimidating
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and frightening. And of course you'll acquiesce to what they
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want you to do because the word's double. That's frightening.
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But maybe if we pause to ask them double of what? Please?
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Is it one in five to two in five or
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one in seven hundred to two and seven hundred. But
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because the real statistics after forty one weeks, it's one
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in seven hundred and sixty eight, I believe, And then
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it goes down again after forty two weeks. So they're
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they're brought in for an induction. And just and needs
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to backtrack a bit to explain how physiological birth works
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so you understand how the induction can interfere. So the
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main hormone involved in birth, amongst others, is oxytocin, which
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is a love hormone and it goes to our brain.
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We have that euphoric berth bubble, which feels incredible if
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we're just left to get on with things. But with
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induction of labor, they use There are a few drugs,
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but the one woman meet more often than not through
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an induction process is a drug called syntocinon And if
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you're watching this in the stakes, you'll know it as petocin,
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and it's a synthetic form of oxytocin. It doesn't reach
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your brain. You don't get that nice you for it feeling.
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And what it does is it kind of rams you'r
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utus over and over again with unnaturally strong, hard, painful contractions,
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which of course will lead to a woman saying I
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need an epidural because it's so hard to bear. So
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the woman has an epidural. I invite you watching if
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you've had an epidole? Did they tell you what was
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in it? Probably not, So it's fifty percent debuvercane and
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fifty percent sentinel, and they just they'll tell you, you know,
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when you're pregnant, don't smoke, don't eat raw milk or
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even liver, and then when you're in labor, will pump
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you full of opiates. It's nonsense. So then they have
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the epidural, which means they're rendered on their back in
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the lothotomy position, so supine and you know, laying on
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your back, legs and steps. Now, the problem with that
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women can't listen to the rhythms of their body. They
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can't move their pelvis to an optimal position to help
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baby come down. They're essentially pushing up hill. And then
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the epidural slows the labor down, so then they up
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the sintocinon to counteract that. You're not feeling the extra
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pain of the contractions because of the epidural, but in
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the meantime, because the contractions have made your uterus hyper stimulated,
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you're compromising oxygen flow to the place center. And then
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out of nowhere, you'll be stracked to this machine and
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loads of people come in because these deepy machines are
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telling people your baby's in distress. Well yeah, and then
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they take them for a cesarean section or an instrumental delivery,
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so using forceps of on two suction like a vacuum,
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and the poor woman is in a state of oh
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my god, my body fell me Thank god I was here.
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Now I'm not here to say everyone should home birth
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because I don't believe in any dogmatic approach. What I
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believe in is choice, and I feel if more women
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were educated, they probably would choose home birth. But because
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of the hormones involved in labor, you have to give
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birth where you feel safe. Now here is the problem
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with the hospital birth if indeed you are fearful of
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the environment. Let's say back in the day, you know,
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thousands of years ago, if we were wandering the land
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as we used to and our body was about to
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go into labor, we're releasing all that lovely oxytocin. We
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see a predator and our body signals to us it's
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not safe to give birth. You're gonna get eaten. So
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all that lovely, rich oxygenated blood to the uterus has
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to divert and it will go to your arms and
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legs ready to fight, fly, or freeze. And this happens
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because we release something called adrenaline, and adrenaline stops your oxytocin. Now,
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we may not have the same stimuli anymore, hopefully not,
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but we do have adrenaline stimuli. So what just to
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think of what stimulates adrenaline? Right lights, feelings are being
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observed VP machines, hearing other women give birth and strangers
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putting their hands inside of you. Just think about this
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for a second. I want the audience to think about
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the answer to this question. Why do women need a
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vaginal exam during labor? What do you think the answer is.
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Speaker 1: Clive, I can't see a reason why they'd want it
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other than the pleasure of the doctor giving in.
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Speaker 2: So they tell you it's because they need to assess
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your cervix and how dilated you are before the baby
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can be born. But why Because if I if I
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were to tell you a midwife was examining a woman
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at four PM and she found her cervix to be
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five centimeters dilated, and a baby has to have at
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least ten centimeters. That's questionable because all babies are different size,
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But for arguments sake, the cervix must be ten centimeters. Well,
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at four pm, when you discovered that woman has a
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five centimeter cervix, where does what does it tell you
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about the future? It just tells you where she's in
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that very given moment. That's it. And unless I say
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vix of the crystal ball, you're not going to be
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able to predict how dilated she's going to be in
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four hours or even ten minutes, because your cervix can
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go from closed to fully dilated in ten twenty minutes
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if that's what the body's doing, or it can take hours.
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So what you're doing is introducing the risk of infection,
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making the woman uncomfortable if she's and if a woman's
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been abused, this is just amplified and the cervix can
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close back up. So for what why? And then but we,
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as you know women with mother wound and ancestral trauma,
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we have become these handmaidens that just say yeah without
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questioning why, because we're assuming that someone in authority is
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doing the best for us. And then they use your
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cervix as lack a They're like the world's worst bounces. Well,
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unless we give you a vaginal exam, you can't come
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into the birth center, you can't come into the label wood.
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What how about informed choice? Here's why I'd like to
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give you a vaginal exam. You can accept or decline.
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What would you like to do? No, it doesn't happen
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like that.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately in hospitals. Do you think the doctors and midwives
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are complete is sleep or do some of them wake
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up and have to quit because they see the realities
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of it. What percentage wake up to hang on? This
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isn't right?
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Speaker 2: Well, I wish I knowed the answer to what percentage
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A percentage have woken up, but a lot of them
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are out when Pish comes to shut up now, So
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they've left MIDWI three and they're practicing as a birthkeeper
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with us, So they're not doing anything clinical or medical,
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and they're not under the NMC's in midw Free Council.
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They're practicing holistic, non clinical care and autonomous. And this
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is why we have such a high home birth rate.
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Is informed choice and pregnancy is not a medical procedure.
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Sometimes it will need help very ready.
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Speaker 1: So I mean so often women say to me, well, look,
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you know, I'm going to go to a hospital or
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hospital birthing center just in case. They say, well, what
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if there was an emergency at home and the nearest
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hospital is an hour away? Do you know a percentage
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roughly of that how often actually a home birth? But
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you must know how often a homebirth does need a
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hospital visit, and if so, you know generally speaking, how
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much time do you have to get to the hospital
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or if that's absolutely necessary.
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Speaker 2: The last time I transferred someone was four years ago.
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Speaker 1: That's good to know, but that doesn't mean.
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Speaker 2: To say it doesn't happen. And there are risks with
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every choice. You've got a much higher chance of having
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your birth sabotage going into hospital, but that isn't said
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you don't have a risk of a problem occurring at home.
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None of them are risk free. The problem we've got
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is we've lost our connection to our wisdom. And because
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we're in our heads all the time because of a
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fear based society, fear culture, fear you know from parents upbringing,
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we're always in our head And I think the presence
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of intelligence without wisdom is dangerous. And when women actually
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connect to their divine wisdom, they know what to do.
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And this is not to say if you do that,
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bad things can be prevented. No, it's about choosing the
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right path for you. So if a woman is well
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nourished and she's not in survival mode, she's not in
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vitalor flight during pregnancy, she's not carrying around a load
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of trauma, which we all are. But you know, we
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need to be in the healing process rather than never
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have started. The chances of any intervention needing to take
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place is very very low now, even the World Health
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Organization states that if a hospital exceeds a ten percent
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c section rate, those c sections are unnecessary. And it's
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estimated are only about three to five percent of women
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will actually need some sort of intervention. But we have
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to look at dire understanding of nutrition. Are they in
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survival mode with their emotions? Because I think there's only
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three things that ever cause disease, and that's toxicity, deprivation,
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and trauma, And that's on the level of mind, body,
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and soul. And if you address all three, you're certainly
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in the right heading, in the right direction. Now when
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it comes to childbirth, So questions I get a lot
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is what women used to die all the time in childbirth.
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So that's why we go to hospital now and I
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can see their point of view there, but we need
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to have a macro view of things here. So poverty
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is the number one cause of issues in childbirth still today.
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So if you live in an overcrowded environment where disease
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can spread like wildfire, and you're male nourished, and poverty
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isn't just a lack of money and access to good
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food poverty also looks like a lack of love more
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likely anyway, So lots of complex PTSD. As you know,
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if you don't address emotional issues, they will manifest in
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the body. And we need to understand that in the
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eighteen hundreds poverty was rife. But we also need to
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understand if you look at indigenous society. There's a really
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good book, Childbirth Wisdom from the World's Oldest Society by
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Judith Goldsmith, and she found that in indigenous cultures, if
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they are well nourished and they're not in survival mode,
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the infant and maternal mortality rate is next to nothing.
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But there is no black and white view here in birth,
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and it's dangerous when you have a side home birth,
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hospital birth. We need to come away from that. We
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need to come away from seeking external salvation, external validation,
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and we need to start going within because if you
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don't go within, you will go without. We need to
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start healing generational trauma and cutting this crap and stop
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repeating things over and over again. Our parents' grandparents, Yes,
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they had suffered great trauma from wars et cetera, et cetera,
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the patriarchy and how women were treated, but we get
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to change this now. And if you want a good birth,
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understanding birth education and all the knowledge that comes with
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it is great, but it's only one level. And unless
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you do the deep inner work, ready to cut the
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generational trauma and understand your core wounds, the birth education
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is almost superficial. So when push come to shove and
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bring the two together, you have to feel reveal and heal.
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And women, it's not your fault, your trauma, your past,
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is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. If
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you're ready and willing to start going within to make
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the change so our children don't have to suffer.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's brilliantly put. I wanted to ask you. Some
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years ago I interviewed Elena Tanetti, who made that wonderful
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film Birth into Being, and she one of her things
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was to dispel the myth that birth has to be painful,
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and how to teach women how to make it your
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gasmic rather than painful. How often do you see a
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pleasant birth? I mean that actually is without the real
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agony that people are afraid of.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember the last time I saw a traumatic,
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painful birth. I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: Brilliant, brilliant and so it's obvious that if somebody's coming
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out of the medical profession, this is a brilliant thing
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to consider. But what about a person who hasn't had
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any experience with the health world. How long does it
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take for somebody to train to do what you do?
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Speaker 2: They actually have an advantage because they're not indoctrinated with
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interfering and they don't have to really program them. So
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we have to say to our midwife, sit on your hands.
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You don't need to do anything. Just love her. That's
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what we have to do. We just have to love
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each other. Understanding birth is so important, but understanding your
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triggers and your core wounds is probably even more important.
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To heal yourself so you can actually be with women.
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Now we have there's two main pathways to train with us.
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But the doula course I've renamed it the Childbirth Companding
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and Advocacy of course for political reasons which I won't
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get into now. And what this involves is a six
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week online course. Now I say six weeks because you
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can do it in six weeks, but most people take
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about four months to complete it. Everything's online, but we
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do have monthly student teacher webinars on Zoom because we
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have to get to know each other, to know the sisters,
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to know the tribes, and know your mentors. And after
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you've done five births under a mentorship's guidance mentors guidance,
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then you are a fully recognized when comes to our
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birth worker, that's usually the place people like to start.
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If you are a former midwife or you are a
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real birth nerd as we call it. Then we have
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our sister company which is Artemis Academy, and it's a
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year long birth keeping training program, a very very similar
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way of training. All the content is online, so as
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soon as you're long who can start straight away. We've
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got twenty guest lecturers because so myself and Angela Chamberlain
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who founded Artemis Academy. She's an award winning midwife and
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she left the system where she joined. When she comes
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to we know a lot, but we don't know everything.
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So we've got guest lecturers from nutrition experts to homeopathy,
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cranial last geopathy. We work in conjunction with the Autonomy Hotline,
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which is an advocacy structure, So we have nikkiir Dolphy
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and she teaches Module five which is about six hours long,
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and that there are fifty five modules. By the way,
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is just give you an idea of how long it is.
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But she has a master's in medical ethics and she's
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a lawyer, so she teaches the human rights understanding how
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to navigate the system, which is what we specialize in.
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When which she comes to show, we get lots of
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social services cases for women that have had unusual choices.
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Are you, they've chosen to free birth, so no medical attendance,
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which is totally legal. You can rebirth if you don't
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have to engage the system. But then they've been referred
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to social services because of their choices, even though it's
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not in their safeguarding thresholds, and it says actually in
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the Code of Conduct that you can't refer someone for
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free birth alone. So we deal with many, many social
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services cases. But we teach this in the courses and
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the main thing we focus on before you learn at
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any of the birth education you can go within, we
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start you or help you continue your healing journey yourself,
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because you can't attend the birth if you're in survival mode,
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if you react rather than respond, if you know you
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have to start your healing journey, so that those are
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the two main options to trend with us.
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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. And let's say somebody is just about to
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give birth and they're worried, for instance, that tearing might
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be an issue. You know, maybe they need to learn
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about the joys of magnesium before birth and after and
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so on. What if somebody's just about to give birth soon,
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what are your top tips right now, apart from study
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everything that you've just explained.
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Speaker 2: Okay, don't ever make a decision from fear. Make it
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from a place of love and authenticity. Go within and
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listen to yourself. Your body knows exactly what to do.
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If you were in a coma, your head wouldn't need
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the input. It would just give birth. And think about
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it like this. You don't add four or five, six
28:16
weeks pregnant, go oh my god, how do I grow
28:18
the kidneys? Your body just does it and your body
28:23
will just do it too. If you get out of
28:25
your own way and get out of your head. That
28:28
doesn't mean to say you lack indiscernment, because you should
28:33
be educating yourself and arming yourself to the teeth with
28:37
knowledge of how to navigate the system. Every single woman
28:40
should have a book called am I Allowed? By Beverly Beach.
28:45
This has many of your rights laid out, your choices.
28:48
We have a little mini course which is only one
28:50
hundred and fifty pounds and it's called the Childbirth Preparation
28:53
Master Class. Get fifty percent off if you are on
28:57
a low income. And the other thing we do we
28:59
provide you with birthkeepers and doers throughout your entire pregnancy,
29:03
So get in contact if you would like holistic non
29:06
clinical care. We have a directory in over ten countries
29:11
and we also have something called the Beverly Beach Project.
29:15
So Beverly Beach is the author of am I Allowed?
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And she was my mentor and she passed away last
29:20
year and she left me her book, so I'm writing
29:24
the fifth edition. And she wanted all the money for
29:26
am I Allowed to go to when Bush comes to shelf.
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So what we've done we have an access fund, which
29:30
is the Beverly Beach Project, which means we're trying to
29:34
get together a pot of money so if anyone on
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a low income can't afford our services, we will pay
29:39
for them to have care.
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Speaker 1: And at the current rate of demand, are there enough
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birthkeepers around?
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Speaker 2: We need an army. We can't do this on our own.
29:51
We need to train as many women as possible. And dad.
29:55
We have a daddy doula course, So if dads want
29:58
to learn how to hold space for for the mothers
30:01
of their children and to help protect the birthing circle,
30:06
come and train with us. It's separate just for men.
30:09
It's a men's space. And also I recommend someone called
30:14
Mark Harris. He's a colleague and friend of mine. He's
30:17
a male midwife and he runs a Facebook page called
30:20
Birthing for Blokes. He's awesome and he also invented the
30:26
three step rewind, which is to help birth trauma. We
30:30
have two main practitioners at when push comes to shelf
30:32
trained in three step rewind, So if you do have
30:35
a traumatic birth experience that you want to transcend, we
30:38
can help you with that. We have it's a one
30:41
stop shop for women's health. We have someone who specializes
30:46
in fertility and ends Tasha, and you can find on
30:49
Instagram TLC Doola, So right from preconception, we have a
30:56
biological dentist who can help with what We have everything
31:00
to help with women's house, but specifically birth.
31:05
Speaker 1: And water births. Are they a top choice.
31:09
Speaker 2: They were a really good choice. It's a very nice
31:12
transition from baby because obviously they're floating around water, so
31:17
transition from water to water is very calm. I gave
31:20
birth and water caught my own baby. It's just incredible.
31:25
Less likely to tear as well.
31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, caught your own baby. That's very cool.
31:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think every woman should catch if I'm out
31:35
a birth, if I see the baby's about to come
31:38
up and say, ready, catch your baby, because the first
31:40
hands that touched that child should be the mother, not me. Yeah.
31:46
That my baby was born literally reaching out to me.
31:51
She was in what's called the compound presentation, so she
31:54
came out like this tan first, but it was so beautiful.
31:56
It was like, oh my god, you're literally reaching for me.
31:58
And she came out. I put her on my chest.
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It was the most healing experience of my life.
32:05
Speaker 1: Wow. And in the hospitals where they put a little
32:10
cap on their head, what's that about.
32:13
Speaker 2: Oh, when they say we're just going to put a
32:14
little clip on your head, on the baby's head, it's
32:17
not a clip, it's a screw. It's actually a screw.
32:25
Speaker 1: Oh, and they pull it out by the skull is
32:28
that what you mean.
32:30
Speaker 2: They put it into their fontinellement soft spot. It's a
32:35
little screw and they do it to monitor the baby's
32:37
heart rate. But there's a there's a massive nuanced understanding
32:44
before it gets to that. So, for example, ctg's cardiotocography,
32:49
that is, there's two straps they put across women's belly
32:52
to see contractions and heart rate. There is no evidence
32:56
that ctgs are any good none. In fact, they cause
33:01
more c sections and they prevent so especially on a
33:04
larger framed woman, and they can't pick up the heartbeat
33:07
very well. Or if mom has the audacity to want
33:11
to move around and listen to her body during labor
33:13
and the CTG keeps moving, they're like, oh, we're going
33:17
to put a little clip on your baby's head to
33:19
pick up their heart rate. Now, in the guidelines it
33:22
says after induction CTG is recommended. Doesn't mean to say
33:29
you have to say yes. You can ask for it intimate
33:32
monitoring or none at all if that's your preference. But
33:37
as you see, it's a cascade. You start the induction,
33:41
you'll have the eperdu the eper durle, you'll have to
33:44
have the CTG, the CTG that eventually you probably have
33:46
to have a little clip and then on two delivery
33:50
forceet C section whatever it is, then you've got painkillers
33:54
after birth. Then your breastfeeding is interrupted. So with the
33:58
C section. For example, all sea section babies are born
34:02
with something called wetlam. They don't have a proper squeeze
34:06
through the birth canal, and because they were denied the
34:13
microbiome seeding to go through the vaginal canal, sea section
34:19
babies are far far more likely to have exma, asthma,
34:24
allergic to many things, obesity, diabetes because of the method
34:32
of birth. Now, this is not to shame any mother
34:34
who's had a sarean operation. It's not my intention at all.
34:39
And in fact, if you choose to have a cesarian
34:41
or you need a cesarean, there are things you can
34:44
do to help with the microbiome seeding and if you
34:47
want to learn more, please contact me and I'm quite
34:49
willing to help you and we'll find a birth keeper
34:53
in your area to support you.
34:56
Speaker 1: If somebody's suddenly walked out of the jungle right now,
34:58
they've been living there unaware that the West existed, and
35:03
they just heard your story, they would say, well, This
35:05
is satanic, This is pure evil. How can they be
35:09
doing this yet everybody just goes along with it. You know,
35:13
I don't really understand.
35:15
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Clive. I never thought about it like that.
35:18
They would certainly have a bit of a head scratch
35:20
of going on by doing what It doesn't make any
35:24
sense putting all women on their backs, pushing up hill
35:26
and then gas lighting them when they couldn't push their
35:29
baby out, and telling them we're going to have to
35:30
cut your parente and now because you're no good, And
35:34
then women feel that their bodies have failed them.
35:37
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, this is how the medical profession works.
35:41
To a large degree. They say to people, you've got
35:45
an autoimmune disease. Your body has let you down, it's
35:48
fighting against itself, and generally speaking, this is an excuse
35:52
for the fact that earlier we gave you a pharmaceutical
35:56
drug that's now damaged your body. We don't want to
35:59
admit to that, so we're going to blame it on you.
36:01
Your body's going wrong, you've got autoimmune it's your fault.
36:05
So that's what happened to me. Forty years ago. I
36:07
took an antibiotic for something trivial next thing I know,
36:10
I'm in hospital type one diabetes. Art writers can't walk
36:15
and they say, oh, no, it's not It wasn't the
36:16
antibiotic of course, not your bodies let you down. No,
36:19
it didn't.
36:21
Speaker 2: Gas lighting. And then the other element as well, which
36:23
is always ignored in the West, is the emotional trauma.
36:26
So if you're if you don't listen to your body's cues,
36:30
eventually it's going to give you a really big push. So,
36:35
like I said earlier, toxicity, deprivation, trauma, let's look at
36:38
that on the level of mind. So if you are
36:43
in if you've grown up in an environment where you
36:46
most women have one of three core rounds. I'm not enough,
36:51
fear of being rejected, and fear of being abandoned. If
36:54
you've got that constant fear inside and you're triggered all
36:57
the time and you're not able to regulate yourself. If
37:03
you are afraid, so you've got a terrible relationship with
37:06
your mother and you're not enough, women tend to store
37:10
that wound in their root chakra and then you end
37:14
up with things like endometriosis, colitus, vaginal problems. If your
37:21
core fear is here and you don't feel you can
37:25
speak your truth. We end up with fire wide problems,
37:30
throat issues, self love, lack of self love in the breast,
37:35
breast cancer. That emotions will manifest in the physical if
37:41
we don't pay attention to the cues. But that in
37:44
a piece, everyone wants to feel. It's under the uncomfortable
37:47
feelings we don't want to go to. We are not
37:50
living in our bodies. We're living in our heads. And
37:53
we wonder where we have so many problems. And if
37:55
you're looking at the body and addressing everything, you're doing
37:59
everything right. Because we hear this all the time. I
38:01
don't get it. I eat right, I'm healthy, I take exercise,
38:06
and all this is going on. Well, yeah, because health
38:10
is not just your body. You have to look at mind, body,
38:14
and soul and see which toxicity is there, which deprivation
38:19
is there, Which trauma is there. Are you surrounding yourself
38:23
with negative people? Are you surrounding yourself with narcissists? Are
38:29
you depriving yourself of self care? The answer is always there,
38:36
and I think it's our job. Now we have the privilege.
38:40
We haven't just come out of a war where we
38:42
don't know how to feed ourselves and we're literally just surviving.
38:45
We have a privilege. We can look me and you
38:48
are talking right now. In different places in the UK,
38:52
you can reach out to someone in the States like that,
38:54
in Australia like that book Zoom Consultations. We are in
38:58
a really good position to actually go into the uncomfortable
39:03
parts that we didn't want to look at before, to
39:05
heal this trauma so that our children and our children's
39:09
children have a good chance and they don't have to
39:11
go through the healing like we do.
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Speaker 1: Clearly, you know, if everything happens for a reason. The
39:17
reason that we go through a lot of suffering is
39:19
that we can come out the other side of it
39:21
like a springboard and go much higher. I mean, if
39:25
you survive all the suffering, you're in a great position actually,
39:29
because now you can teach people how not to suffer.
39:33
You can have a great life. So somebody says, our
39:37
life has been absolutely terrible up until now, Well that's
39:40
probably the springboard for really fantastic things about that now.
39:45
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. So when I begin to talk, people think
39:51
it doesn't concern them, like, oh, I'm done having babies
39:54
or I'm a man. Both effects every single one of us.
39:58
And I really believe peace on our begins at birth
40:01
and if we really start there and understand and take
40:04
empowerment there, and imagine having a wise woman in every
40:07
single village in town. Although when push comes to shelf
40:10
birth women, get them out here, you know, that's what
40:13
we want, that's what we're aiming for. Im trying to
40:16
spread the word and it is changing. We are changing
40:21
the landscape of birth. I'm excited, but if only more
40:24
people stayed at the talks. I had a really successful
40:27
talk at Jam for Freedom last year. I was on
40:30
the main stage and I had a queue of men
40:34
wanting to talk to me afterwards, a lot of guilty men.
40:39
I spoke at the Better Way Conference, the inaugural conference
40:43
that was a turning point in my career. Was surreal
40:48
standing ovation from four hundred doctors. And usually I'm.
40:51
Speaker 1: Booed when push comes to show is that a dot
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com cody the UK? So when brush comes to shove
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of the wonderful Nikita Stark