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Forever Young - The Dick Clark Story · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

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SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
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SPEAKER_04: Ooh, that was healthy.
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SPEAKER_04: Was it good?
0:13
SPEAKER_04: That was a good one, yeah.
0:14
SPEAKER_04: Because I feel like there was one like Typoid Mary where you kind of missed it.
0:18
SPEAKER_04: I think I I had something in my throat.
0:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
0:21
SPEAKER_04: You get a little choked up when you're talking about Typoid Mary, don't you?
0:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another episode of Dirt Knap City, the show about interesting dead people.
0:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm Alex.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm here with my buddy Kelly.
0:34
SPEAKER_02: How's it going, Kelly?
0:35
SPEAKER_02: It's going well, man.
0:36
SPEAKER_02: It's Friday.
0:38
SPEAKER_04: Uh it's cooled down a little bit outside.
0:40
SPEAKER_04: That's kind of nice.
0:41
SPEAKER_04: Uh went for a little bike ride this morning.
0:43
SPEAKER_04: Got a lot of work to do, but um, you know, keeping it real and here with you, so I couldn't be happier.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you're talking about.
0:51
SPEAKER_02: It's perpetually Thursday at uh at the DNC.
0:54
SPEAKER_03: Uh that's right.
0:57
SPEAKER_02: It's always Thursday, 7 a.m.
0:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe 6 a.m.
1:01
SPEAKER_04: if if uh Al from Austin gets his way.
1:04
SPEAKER_04: Because he's apparently working out at 6 a.m.
1:07
SPEAKER_04: and tired of us dropping our apps at 7 when he's done.
1:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, he's just gonna have to deal with that.
1:12
SPEAKER_04: No, no, he's not, because he's uh he's a um Patreon supporter, and Patreon supporters get what they want.
1:18
SPEAKER_04: So if you go to Patreon and sign up, you get one time to tell us when to move our show, and we'll do it for you one time.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: So wait, so how does this gonna work?
1:27
SPEAKER_02: So you're gonna start dropping ups at 6 a.m.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: for him.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
1:31
SPEAKER_02: And then if but if somebody else does it, then they might say, Well, you know, let's drop it at noon.
1:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:40
SPEAKER_02: And then he gets uh so so it's at 6 a.m.
1:44
SPEAKER_04: until until someone else joins Patreon and and and requests a time change.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: We'll just change or whatever they want.
1:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:53
SPEAKER_04: I mean, if you're a Patreon, you're royalty as far as Alex and I are concerned.
1:56
SPEAKER_04: You're you're like Henry VIII, who is, by the way, our most popular episode by a long shot.
2:03
SPEAKER_04: Maybe move it to 6.15 just to mess up his room.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: Or in case he's running late.
2:11
SPEAKER_02: Well, I got a good win today, buddy.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: All right.
2:14
SPEAKER_02: I got a uh a guy here who we all know and love.
2:18
SPEAKER_02: Um wait, let me guess.
2:20
SPEAKER_02: 20th century guy?
2:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: Although I'm this is right in my wheelhouse.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: Um always say that.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: I and I'm always right.
2:28
SPEAKER_02: I have a type, Kelly.
2:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
2:32
SPEAKER_04: This is on your profile, is this on your uh grinder profile?
2:36
SPEAKER_04: Bio, bio at the top.
2:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, so you know, I sometimes I'm surprised though when uh I'm really into these uh folks and they were really a big part of my life, and then they're barely register a blip in yours.
2:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, but this is somebody at least you'll know.
2:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know if he will have been a big part of your life or just a blip.
2:59
SPEAKER_02: Big part of America's life for the better part of the 20th century and a little bit of the 21st century.
3:06
SPEAKER_02: So I guess you're calling me a commie.
3:08
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
3:09
SPEAKER_02: Born in 1929 in New York, died in 2012 in Santa Monica.
3:21
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so lived to be about 83 years old.
3:26
SPEAKER_02: And here's the clue was known as America's oldest teenager for pretty much his whole career.
3:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
3:38
SPEAKER_04: Not Bob Hope, um, but somebody like that.
3:42
SPEAKER_04: He was one of these entertainer guys.
3:44
SPEAKER_04: Um, Frankie Valley, no.
3:47
SPEAKER_04: Um, hold on, hold on.
3:49
SPEAKER_04: Dick Clark.
3:50
SPEAKER_04: Dick Clark.
3:51
SPEAKER_04: Dick Clark.
3:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I knew I knew I just had to go from Hope to Valley to to Clark.
3:56
SPEAKER_04: That's the natural progression.
3:58
SPEAKER_02: I don't really understand the Frankie Valley part, but yeah.
4:00
SPEAKER_04: Um wasn't it Frankie Valley and the Teenagers?
4:04
SPEAKER_04: Wasn't that his band's name?
4:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh Four Seasons.
4:06
SPEAKER_04: Oh, who is it?
4:08
SPEAKER_04: Dion and the Teenagers.
4:09
SPEAKER_04: Who is with the Teenagers?
4:12
SPEAKER_02: I just saw um where did I see that?
4:16
SPEAKER_02: Yesterday I saw somebody in the teenagers.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh it was on the Rack and Roll Hall of Fame.
4:20
SPEAKER_02: I saw them.
4:22
SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
4:23
SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: It's irrelevant to our conversation right now, but you're looking it up anyways.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: I am.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: Who who are the teenagers?
4:31
SPEAKER_04: Uh it says Frankie Lyman and the Teenagers.
4:34
SPEAKER_04: Frankie Lyman.
4:35
SPEAKER_04: So I had the Frankie part right.
4:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
4:38
SPEAKER_04: Well, anyways, that's got nothing to do with uh Dick Clark really.
4:41
SPEAKER_04: That's what makes an episode entertaining, is when I drag us off topic.
4:44
SPEAKER_04: Is it?
4:45
SPEAKER_04: It is.
4:46
SPEAKER_04: Um so what do you know about Dick Clark?
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SPEAKER_04: Where what comes to mind when you think about him?
4:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, first of all, he could be a dead end because there aren't very many people named Dick anymore, right?
4:55
SPEAKER_04: That's that's an unusual name.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: And and I'll just I'll just warn you because I know you that you tend to um be on the um juvenile side.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm America's youngest teenager.
5:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm probably gonna say Dick a lot in this episode.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you want to bleep it out every time I do it, but if you're gonna giggle every time I say Dick, this is gonna be a bad episode.
5:21
SPEAKER_04: What was his name again?
5:22
SPEAKER_04: Dick Clark?
5:23
SPEAKER_04: Dick Dick Clark.
5:24
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so Dick Clark.
5:26
SPEAKER_04: I know he did the rock and roll stuff.
5:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, at the time, he was like the announcer who hosted um not American Top 40, but American Bandstand, maybe American Bandstand, right?
5:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right, right.
5:39
SPEAKER_04: And he was a good looking dude.
5:41
SPEAKER_04: He looked pretty young for his age, even when he was like 60, 70 years old, he still looked pretty young.
5:47
SPEAKER_04: And uh he was always down with the kids or tried to be um for as much as a guy named Dick can be.
5:54
SPEAKER_04: And uh I would say that's about all I know about him.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: And and as I talk, you'll remember a little bit more.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's that's that's the the broad strokes.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: His real name was um actually Broadstrokes.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, here we go.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Um man, this is gonna be rough.
6:14
SPEAKER_02: Six broad strokes.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: Is this how it's gonna be for an hour?
6:21
SPEAKER_02: You said it.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: You said it.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's keep going.
6:25
SPEAKER_02: His I should just call him DC.
6:29
SPEAKER_02: His real name was um actually Dick Clark.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Um uh his stage name, he changed it from Dick Clark, but um but he changed it to I can't even do this, but he changed it to Johnson.
6:45
SPEAKER_02: Change it to Dick Clay.
6:50
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna stop.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: You would have advised him differently.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: You would have advised him.
6:56
SPEAKER_02: What are the broad strokes of Dick Clay?
6:58
SPEAKER_02: His real name was Dick Wagstaff Clark, actually.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: Wagstaff.
7:02
SPEAKER_02: Wagstaff, okay, okay.
7:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even gonna go there.
7:07
SPEAKER_02: So, like I said, um, this is gonna be rough.
7:10
SPEAKER_02: Um but um he decided at a young age, 10 years old, he decided he wanted to go into radio.
7:17
SPEAKER_02: His uh his uh uncle owned a radio station in Utica, New York, and his father managed that radio station.
7:25
SPEAKER_02: So it was kind of in the family business.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Even when he was a kid, he used to like fill in for the Weatherman and do station breaks there.
7:33
SPEAKER_02: He went to Syracuse and uh and studied.
7:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they had like the radio television film degrees then, but he studied um you know communications and uh graduated from Syracuse in 1951 and went back to Utica and then he hosted a country music show.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Oh god, here we go.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: It was called Cactus Dick and the Santa Fe Riders.
8:04
SPEAKER_04: Oh, Cactus Dick and the Santa Fe Riders.
8:07
SPEAKER_04: Insert bad joke here.
8:10
SPEAKER_04: Okay, we can move on.
8:12
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: So I don't have any for more more information about cactus dick if you want if you want that.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: Not even broad strokes.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: And if you want more information, you probably have to go to WebMD for that.
8:25
SPEAKER_04: Yes, I think there's a cream that'll heal that for you.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: It it's you first you want to pull out the splinters and then we really should have put on the uh parental uh where's Tipper Gore when we need her?
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Well, he moved to Philadelphia.
8:44
SPEAKER_02: And for those of you who are in the know about American Bandstand, that's where American Bandstand started in Philadelphia.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he changed his name back to Dick Clark in 1952 and he moved to Philly and he hosted a radio show um that was it was called Bandstand, and there was a kind of a TV counterpart by a guy named Bob Horn.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: And um there it was uh that was the TV version, and Bob Horn, a name you've probably never heard of before, he was arrested for drunk driving, got fired, Dick Clark stepped in, took his show, and Bob Horn was never heard from again.
9:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh and American Bandstand went on for another 50 years.
9:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
9:29
SPEAKER_04: That was I mean, that was not a show I think I ever actually watched, but I think I when I was flipping channels, I would, you know, hold on it for about 10 seconds to see who the artist was.
9:39
SPEAKER_04: Do you remember when it was on?
9:41
SPEAKER_02: Like what what day and time?
9:43
SPEAKER_02: No.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: So when we were kids, it it came on like Saturday, maybe noon.
9:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it was like I remember it was like in the morning or after maybe 10 a.m., 11 a.m.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
9:57
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was even earlier than that.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: That's when it came on where I was growing up.
10:00
SPEAKER_04: Compete, though.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they'd be competing with like Scooby-Doo and Yeah, I think it was after the cartoons, actually.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: And to me, so it always came on at the same time as Soul Train, which was pretty much exactly like American Bandstand, but it was like the black version.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: And someday I'll probably talk about Don Cornelius, who was the who is in charge of Soul Train.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: And those two shows were on opposite each other, and I would flip back and forth, really.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I liked the dancing on Soul Train better, I liked the music on Soul Train better.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, but a lot of times it just they didn't have as many different acts as they did.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: They they'd have just music, and and American Bandstand would have a lot of they were never they were called live performances, but they're mostly just lip sync performances.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they the band was there with their instruments just playing along to a track.
10:51
SPEAKER_02: They weren't plugged in, yeah.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: They a lot of times they didn't even have all the members of the band there.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: They were just playing along with the track, just lip syncing it.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: But people were dance on both of those shows.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: So 1957 is when um American Bandstand was picked up by ABC and televised nationally, the show in Philadelphia.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: So DeClark was 28 when this show came on.
11:15
SPEAKER_02: But 28 was older than all the other people on the show because it was the show featured a bunch of teenagers dancing to the music of the day.
11:24
SPEAKER_02: So he was kind of like the chaperone or the older person in the room, even when he was 28.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: But that's so even then, when he was 28, people were calling him the oldest teenager.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: And when you think about 1957, and teenagers were just becoming a thing, you know, because of baby boom, the baby boom generation.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Prior to the baby boomers, teenagers weren't really.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: I think we've talked about this on other episodes.
11:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we kind of talked about this in our hippie episode, and that a lot of the you know, people in the 40s and the 50s were a lot more straight and narrow, uptight, told what to do.
12:02
SPEAKER_04: And then in the late 50s, early 60s, people started being more counterculture and going against what their parents said, and that was you know, that that's probably about the time they started using the term teenager, even.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and even before that, I mean, you you know, at the turn of the century, and before that, you'd have when you're 16, you're either going and getting a job or you're getting married.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, in in a lot of those cases.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: So a teenager, that's that stage of life wasn't even really a thing.
12:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, so so American bandstand really fed into these teenagers that are listening to certain type of music, rock and roll, that had just come out, and uh it was giving a platform to that stuff.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: So he was really thought of as introducing rock and roll to a lot of Americans, and he was clean-cut, like you said, good-looking guy, not threatening at all.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Big smile, big smile, short hair, um, big long microphone, you know.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he had the Bob Barker microphone.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: And uh so one Hollywood producer said that he was able to use his communication skills to present rock and roll in a way that was palatable to parents.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: So it like legitimized to a lot of the parents what you know that this stuff was okay to listen to.
13:21
SPEAKER_02: And Rolling Stone magazine said without him, rock and roll would have struggled to escape the perception that it was just a passing fancy.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: So like he he really gave it gave it a lot of legitimacy, which was probably a important thing for for parents at the time.
13:38
SPEAKER_04: It was fighting against the the hoochie coup, rock and roll, hoochie coup, yeah, sure, sure.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, that's dangerous.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: He even had a night show like in the late 50s that was like a prime time show where he would have some of the bigger acts after Dark with Dick.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
13:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: Clark in 1964, he moved the show to LA, and I thought then that might have been because of you know, everything's in LA.
14:06
SPEAKER_02: And uh I read where it was because of surf music was getting big and they wanted to go where the popular music, which is really random, because I think surf music didn't even last very long.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: This is probably another thing that we talked about in the rock and roll episode.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: By the way, if you haven't listened to the rock and roll episode, do yourself a favor.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everything kind of points towards it.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you like good music, it's two episodes.
14:29
SPEAKER_02: It was so, so, uh, so it's a bonus.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: So nice we did it twice.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so nice we did it in two parts.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they moved it to LA, and when they moved it to LA, it also became very diverse.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: In fact, it was one of the first shows on television where you could see black kids and white kids sitting together, dancing together, and it they didn't make a big deal about it.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, so the way the show, if you knew the format, the show was they'd uh bands would come on, they'd lip sync, people would dance, and then afterwards he'd like sit on a on a little step, and all the kids would gather around him and he'd kind of talk to the kids and interview the the kids about the music and hey, you know, what do you like about this group?
15:16
SPEAKER_02: And he'd interview the bands.
15:18
SPEAKER_02: It was pretty pretty non-threatening stuff, but he spoke to a black teenager on air for the first time in 1957.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: He said he was terrified because he thought that the not terrified of talking to the person, but he was terrified that there was the reaction in the deep south.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: I mean, this was a time when, you know, um there's a lot of ugly incidents um with you know dogs and fire hoses and that kind of thing in the in the south.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: And there was no protest.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: He we'd sit down with these kids, he'd talk to them, he would uh, and there was no protest, nobody ever called, nobody ever complained, and it just happened.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: So um they just kept kept doing it, nobody really cared, nobody made a big deal about it.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: But looking back, it was kind of important.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh he probably shouldn't have done it sooner uh than he did it, but um, you know, it really really became more integrated once it moved to LA in the in the 60s.
16:19
SPEAKER_04: It was a courageous thing to do, like it it would have been easier not to do it for him, but he did it.
16:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably, yeah.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Um a lot of people say that American Band Sang created the youth culture, or at least started to create that word youth culture for the baby boomers, and it was on every single day of the week when it was in Philadelphia.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: It was on like every day at like four o'clock.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: Really?
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Like a new episode?
16:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: But then when they moved to LA, it just moved to Saturdays.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: And I think by 1990, somebody had said that two-thirds of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame at that time, the people that were in it, were on American Bandstand.
17:02
SPEAKER_04: That was like a that was like a predictor that you were gonna get into the Hall of Fame.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: So he never had Elvis, he never had the Beatles, and he never had the Rolling Stones.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: Those were kind of too big.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: He would mostly get people on the way up.
17:14
SPEAKER_02: So he did have like Prince and Madonna and people like that in the 80s, but it was when they were on the way up, not once they were super popular.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: Um but they were also not ever like alternative type of bands or anything like that.
17:29
SPEAKER_02: They were all pretty mainstream, very mainstream stuff.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: He actually is inducted into the Rock and Hall of Fame.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: He got inducted in 1993, and he was in the class with Sly in the Family Stone, Van Morrison, Eddie James, The Doors, Credence Clearwater, Revival, and Cream.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: That's quite a group, huh?
17:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: I mean, good on him.
17:53
SPEAKER_04: And and certainly I'm glad that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame recognizes people that are not musicians but contributed.
18:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, contributed to the the sort of pro pro um pro rock and roll movement.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you if you're the if your job is basically introducing rock and roll to America, you you your Hall of Fame worthy for sure.
18:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: Incidentally, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame just had their inductions for uh this year.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember anybody that got in?
18:23
SPEAKER_04: Uh yes.
18:26
SPEAKER_04: No.
18:27
SPEAKER_04: Jimmy Buffett.
18:28
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, Jimmy Buff Buffet.
18:30
SPEAKER_04: The MC5.
18:32
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Kick out the jams.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: Dion Warwick.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh Tribe Called Quest.
18:38
SPEAKER_02: One of the great.
18:39
SPEAKER_02: One of just one of the one of the great acts out there.
18:42
SPEAKER_04: And Fife Dog died a few years ago before before they got in inducted.
18:48
SPEAKER_04: Ozzy.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: Ozzie Osborne got in.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't really like Ozzy.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: Not at all.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: He was inducted by Jack Black.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
18:56
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: I get his stick, I guess, but you know, he he peed on the Alamo, and I'm not ever gonna forgive him for that.
19:05
SPEAKER_04: Cool and the gang.
19:07
SPEAKER_04: Hey, now let's get down on it.
19:10
SPEAKER_04: Peter Frampton comes alive.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: Foreigner.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: Not a foreigner fan.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: Head games.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: In fact, if uh Head Games.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: If I could have stood outside the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and protested Foreigner getting in.
19:27
SPEAKER_04: No, no, you would have you would have stood outside with your head hung low, couldn't get a ticket, it was a sold-out show.
19:33
SPEAKER_04: You heard the roar of the crowd, you could picture the scene, you held up your protest sign, and like a distant scream, you yelled, F you Foreigner! Man.
19:42
SPEAKER_03: Go back to your own country.
19:45
SPEAKER_04: Uh Dave Matthews band?
19:46
SPEAKER_04: Wait, wait, I want to go back to Foreigner for a second.
19:48
SPEAKER_04: Where are they actually from?
19:50
SPEAKER_04: Where are they are they American?
19:51
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think so.
19:53
SPEAKER_04: So why are they called Foreigner?
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, it depends on where you're where you are.
19:56
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's the it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.
19:59
SPEAKER_04: So I I yeah.
20:02
SPEAKER_04: Okay, Dave Matthews band.
20:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
20:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, talented, but kind of overrated in my opinion.
20:07
SPEAKER_04: Kind of like they're kind of like the Grateful Dead, you know, you're either into them or you're not.
20:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: And the doors are are kind of the same way.
20:15
SPEAKER_02: Um share.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: And uh Mary J.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: Blige.
20:22
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: So um a lot of people say that good, good deserving group.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, congratulations to all except Foreigner.
20:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and if if one of you is listening, uh, including Foreigner, uh shoot us a note.
20:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, welcome to America.
20:40
SPEAKER_04: We're we're glad you're here.
20:41
SPEAKER_04: We we we we don't really want to build that wall to keep you out.
20:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh the the some of the more poetic things that uh people say about Dick Clark is that he curated the soundtrack of the American Teenager's Life.
20:56
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: That if you're a teenager in the 50s, 60s, 70s, he he and into pop music, he was kind of the one that you would um you know would would tell you what what was what was hot.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: What was hip.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: And you can imagine if you live in, you know, kind of the middle of the country, and he was he's kind of your portal into the that world.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: You know, this is before the internet, this is before, this is where how you get your information about the outside world, and then you probably go right from there to the record store and yeah buy what you just heard.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Um they said that this is from the uh Rock and Roll Hall of Fame itself.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: It said, as the charismatic host of American Bandstand, Dick Clark gave rock bands national exposure, stood up against censorship, and spread the gospel of rock and roll.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: So that was that was on his um his dedication from the Hall of Fame.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: And there was over 10,000 live performances.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Again, they weren't really live performances, but 10,000.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: 10,000 bands at
22:00
SPEAKER_04: At least partially showed up to that studio to be videoed or filmed.
22:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:05
SPEAKER_04: Um when did he stop doing the show?
22:08
SPEAKER_04: Oh man, nineteen in the eighties, like eighty-nine.
22:11
SPEAKER_04: Eighty-nine.
22:12
SPEAKER_04: So from fifty-seven or fifty-eight, you said, to eighty-nine?
22:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:17
SPEAKER_04: And and he was the host the whole time.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: Every Saturday.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: You know, when you think about it at the time, it uh adults didn't really like rock and roll back then.
22:27
SPEAKER_04: No.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: And uh so it wasn't a good thing.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: They were too busy still listening to um big band and uh and speakeasy music in the 1980s.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: And and actually uh it was odd to see a 40-year-old man, you know, in the 70s or a 50-year-old man in the 80s that was still rocking to this the stuff that kids were listening to.
22:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the music establishment really hated rock and roll.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, remember on the uh one of the episodes I told you that Frank Sinatra, I think it was the rock and roll episode, that Frank Sinatra called Elvis.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember what he called Elvis?
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Elvis the pelvis.
23:09
SPEAKER_02: A rancid smelling aphrodisiac.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow, okay.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: And something oyster.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: Nobody had a bigger effect on rock and roll spreading around the country, a other than Elvis than Dick Clark.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: And he downplayed it.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: He said, I played the records, the kids danced, and America watched.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: I like that humility.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
23:36
SPEAKER_04: No, uh, I guess I hadn't really thought about him as being that culturally important to rock and roll, but you know, now that you bring it up, I I think it's hard to it's hard to put yourself back in a place where there wasn't an internet and you couldn't just get whatever you wanted instantly.
23:53
SPEAKER_04: It it's but if you put yourself in that place, yeah, you tuned into the TV, didn't even have VCRs, couldn't even tape things, didn't really have MTV even.
24:02
SPEAKER_04: Most of that rock.
24:03
SPEAKER_04: It was all in real time in the 70s and the 60s, so yeah.
24:06
SPEAKER_04: Crazy.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: I remember, I just remember, and it you didn't watch the show, but they would they would have like a record in the wall.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: It looked like a record, and it had the name of the band and the name of the song, and it was just cool.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: It looked like a real record.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: And then you the band would come on and then you'd interview them, and a lot of these guys were out of their minds, and it was just kind of funny to see them kind of in such a you know Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon kind of environment, too.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: These guys that was the show live or was it taped, do you think?
24:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it was taped.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: It was probably taped weeks in advance, you know.
24:41
SPEAKER_04: Or do you think maybe it was live in the early days and then taped later?
24:44
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I guarantee when they showed it every day, it had to be live.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, yeah.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: There wasn't a lot of taped shows back in the early days of television.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: So the next part of his life that I want to focus on is the game show.
24:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, do you know what game show he hosted?
25:01
SPEAKER_04: Wasn't named that tune.
25:03
SPEAKER_04: That would be too much on brand.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: He hosted this for a long, pretty long time.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: He hosted a show.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: $10,000 Pyramid.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: That's exactly right.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: So from 1973 to 1976, it was the$10,000 pyramid.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Then in 1976, it became the$20,000 pyramid.
25:22
SPEAKER_02: Kind of a bad name for a show where you have to keep changing the name, right?
25:26
SPEAKER_02: There was a sync uh syndicated version that ran alongside the$20,000 pyramid that was the$25,000 pyramid.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Which is just on a different time of day on a different channel.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: Then in 1981, we had the$50,000 pyramid.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: In 1982, we had it became the$100,000 pyramid.
25:47
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not sure if you know this, but that show exists still today.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: $100,000 Pyramid.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: $100,000 Pyramid with host Michael Strahan.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: Dang.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Set your DVR.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Like a summer, maybe a summer show or something.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, but he ran that show for a long time.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: And you know, he owned this Dick Clark Enterprises.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: He owed he was an extremely rich guy, kind of like Merv Griffin, where he kind of had his hands in all these different things.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: In fact, there was a little scandal that he was involved in with the Paola.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember Paola?
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Have you heard of Payola?
26:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, was that that had to do with um people getting paid to air certain things on TV?
26:33
SPEAKER_04: On the radio.
26:34
SPEAKER_04: So like the idea was certain songs.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: Some bands would pay to get their songs on the radio, and that was uh illegal, um, unethical, whatever.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, and he was involved in so many different areas that he he would get kind of had a conflict of interest going on where he so it wasn't that people were paying to put their songs on the radio as much as when he would put on songs and they would get popular, he would benefit in so many different ways because he owned studios, right, and he owned labels, and he owned, you know, he got royalties, so so it was in his best interest to to drive his own stuff to get to get played, yeah.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: Back then, I mean, airplay was the only thing that sold records, so it wasn't just an advertisement.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I guess it was an advertisement, but uh, you know, there was they wanted to keep that stuff pure that they wanted um they didn't want um people only playing stuff because they were the the DJs were getting money for it.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Kickbacks, yeah.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Johnny Fever.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't seem like it should be illegal though.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: It seems like it should be unethical, maybe.
27:45
SPEAKER_04: Well, or maybe just maybe just like a disclaimer, you know, like uh like like you do on YouTube, you say I was sent this thing for free to review, and uh now I'm gonna tell you what I really think.
27:58
SPEAKER_04: It's beautiful, it's lovely, buy one.
28:00
SPEAKER_04: Affiliate link below.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: I wonder how many people got famous.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, I I mean, if it's good, people are gonna latch onto it, and if it's bad, it's kind of gonna sink to the bottom.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna rise to the top, right?
28:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you would think it would sort of it would sort of sort itself out based on the quality of the music, but I don't know.
28:22
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes things just kind of catch a catch a trend and people are into it even though it's terrible, you know.
28:28
SPEAKER_04: It it that happens sometimes.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Like Motley Crue.
28:32
SPEAKER_04: Yes, great example.
28:34
SPEAKER_04: Great example.
28:35
SPEAKER_04: Poison.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh so yeah, you wonder how did these people rise to the top, you know?
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Especially if you like see them live or see them on TV live, and you think, wow, without without being produced, this is terrible.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're not really good musicians, they're just and you wonder, okay, well, they had to start at in clubs, so how do they ever get to the point where they got a record deal if they sound this bad live?
29:00
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
29:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: I've always wondered that about certain bands that don't sound good live.
29:06
SPEAKER_04: How did you ever make it to even how did somebody have the vision to know that you could sound good with some production?
29:14
SPEAKER_02: Unless it's just overproduced, and then you could make anyone sound good.
29:17
SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Rick Rubin.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: So he had another game show that you might have never heard of that I wish was still around.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: This sounds great to me, although it a little exploitative.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: It was called Challenge of the Child Geniuses.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: Challenge of the Child Geniuses, where they would round up all these um like prodigies, child prodigies, and they would put them through like a game show.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: And as I describe it, it does sound kind of exploitative and maybe not great for kids to do, but I would love to watch it.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: And then would they like eliminate them as they went?
29:57
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but they were basically trying to find the smartest kid.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: And other countries, like this, it didn't do that well here, but it did really well in other countries.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: I think India, for example, still has some version of this.
30:09
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say that sounds like a Japanese uh game show to me.
30:13
SPEAKER_04: Like, like I think Dick Clark started it.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh, yeah, visionary.
30:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, so the other area besides the pyramid and besides American Bandstand that um that we gotta focus on here is New Year's Rock and Eve.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I kind of forgot Dick Clark was a part of that.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Not just a part, that he was the guy like for years, right?
30:37
SPEAKER_02: So what do you what do you typically do on New Year's?
30:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh lately, go to bed.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: Before midnight.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: Really?
30:47
SPEAKER_02: You don't have any, you don't have any sense of like uh obligation or duty, like I gotta stay up.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: It's New Year's Eve.
30:55
SPEAKER_04: Nope, don't care.
30:56
SPEAKER_04: Don't care.
30:57
SPEAKER_04: Uh I mean, yeah, we've had a couple of fun times with our kids, or we've gone skiing a few times.
31:03
SPEAKER_04: That was fun.
31:04
SPEAKER_04: But I'd say probably the last three or four years, we've been in bed by like nine or ten.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: That almost sounds uh like rebellious.
31:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a kind of that's kind of how I'm framing it.
31:18
SPEAKER_04: Is I'm so punk rock I don't I go to bed at 10 o'clock on New Year's Eve.
31:22
SPEAKER_04: You stay up till midnight on December 30th, but not the 31st, right?
31:26
SPEAKER_04: Right.
31:27
SPEAKER_04: Right.
31:27
SPEAKER_04: I never stay up till midnight for the record, except when I'm with you.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: I love staying up late.
31:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't do it just for the heck of it, but I love when I'm out with people.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: I love staying up late.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's I just love that it's a sense that you can just stretch time as as much as you can.
31:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, until the morning comes.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's true.
31:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, morning's not as important to me.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: I love the mornings.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, New Year's Rock and Eve started.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: What year do you think that started it?
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh 75.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: Close.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh it actually started in 1972, but he didn't he didn't start that year.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: That year it was called Three Dog Nights New Year's Rock and Eve, with and the host was George Carlin.
32:13
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
32:14
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: That talk about it.
32:16
SPEAKER_04: I would stay up for that.
32:18
SPEAKER_04: That's a hippie show there.
32:19
SPEAKER_04: Do you do you know the the the um reason for the band's name, Three Dog Night?
32:26
SPEAKER_04: I don't.
32:27
SPEAKER_04: It's it's kind of a I believe it's a Cajun saying, like some something they say in Louisiana about it's so cold you gotta have three dogs and bed with you to stay warm.
32:37
SPEAKER_04: It's a three-dog night.
32:38
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a three.
32:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I didn't know that.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: Are they from Louisiana?
32:41
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
32:42
SPEAKER_04: It's just what I heard.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: So when I was a kid, I used to always be at my grandparents for New Year's.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: My parents would go out and I would go and and stay with my grandparents.
32:54
SPEAKER_04: Now you're living on the edge.
32:55
SPEAKER_04: The one that called you Alec.
32:57
SPEAKER_02: No different ones, but um, but the big thing for them to watch every year was by a guy named Guy Lombardo.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Sydney Ringabelle, yeah.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Guy Lombardo.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it was like a big band, big band.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: It was type music.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that was so popular.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: Like everybody watched, everybody that wasn't at a New Year's party would watch Guy Lombardo, which was on CBS every New Year's.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: And in the set in 1972, they came up with this three dog night show with George Carlin as kind of the countercultural response to that, and people didn't want to because that was the only choice before that was just watch Guy Lombardo.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: And that was you know, old time music, and uh the the baby boomers were now in their 20s, you know, and they wanted to see some uh some rock.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: And so after the success, or you know, maybe that show was a little bit successful, but Guy Lombardo died in 1977, and all of a sudden everybody switched it over to the Dick Clark version.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: He timed it pretty well, he timed it pretty well, I guess.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: So that Dick Clark New Year's Rock and Eve was what they finally uh called it.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: Um that was on until uh until well, he had a stroke in 2004 and hung on for the next eight years, kept trying to do that that show.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh and he would just come on maybe at midnight uh for five minutes.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: Ryan Seacrest took over the show.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: He was kind of like our version of Dick Clark today.
34:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
34:35
SPEAKER_02: Kind of a uh always looks young, you know, involved in a lot of different things, game shows and music, and you see him everywhere.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: And now the show is called well, I think it's now it's uh ABC New Year's Rock and Eve.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: But at one time it was called Dick Clark's Primetime New Year's Rock and Eve with Ryan Seacrest.
34:58
SPEAKER_04: That's a name.
34:59
SPEAKER_04: Get him a name, yeah.
35:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: So um other projects that he was involved in, though, that you might remember, um TV bloopers and practical jokes with Ed Nick.
35:12
SPEAKER_04: I do remember that.
35:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:14
SPEAKER_04: I think I feel like he's one of the first people that introduced the word blooper to Oh my gosh.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: Do you know that show was on for 23 years?
35:21
SPEAKER_02: I ran that show ran from it was always on, right?
35:24
SPEAKER_02: It was on ran ran from 1981 to 2004.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: And uh I think at some point I want to say they showed like commercial, like commercials too, like funny commercials.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: Commercials, yeah.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Just a just a terrible waste of an hour, probably.
35:40
SPEAKER_04: Um, but but at one time like kind of like uh death scrolling today, right?
35:46
SPEAKER_04: That's sure bloopers and practical jokes with Dick Clark was kind of like scrolling an Instagram feed and just you know, like yeah it's an hour later and you don't know where the time went.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: At one time in the 80s, he was on American Bandstand on ABC, he was on the the pyramid, um however many dollars pyramid on CBS and the blooper show on NBC all at the same time.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: He had a he had a show on every network at the same time.
36:15
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know why.
36:17
SPEAKER_04: He was the Peter Piper of the 1980s.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: He had a yeah.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: He was also, if you remember on uh if you remember Live Aid when that came out, there was uh they had her on MTV all day long, but at nighttime ABC showed that he hosted that that show on uh on uh live aid for ABC.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: He also had the Dick Clark American Bainstand Grill.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Did you ever eat there?
36:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh I think maybe one time.
36:54
SPEAKER_04: I think you know, it was kind of like a ripoff of the uh of the Hard Rock Cafe, right?
37:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh, maybe.
37:02
SPEAKER_02: I I I was just picturing it more to be like a Johnny Rockets kind of diner.
37:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think it was, but I mean I think it was going, you know, the Hard Rock Cafe was just kind of a Johnny Rockets diner.
37:12
SPEAKER_04: I mean you know what I mean.
37:13
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't really wasn't the one, at least the one in Houston that we went to.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know if they had a lot of artifacts in there, just like a jukebox and at Dick Clark's Rockin' Cafe?
37:22
SPEAKER_02: Of course they did.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Of course they did.
37:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, currently they they they used to have a bunch, but currently there's two.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's there's actually three, four.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: There's uh five.
37:33
SPEAKER_02: Sorry, there's six there's two in airports.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay one in the Newark Airport, okay, and one in the Phoenix Airport.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: So next time you go to Phoenix Airport and you go there, right?
37:43
SPEAKER_04: I will, yeah.
37:43
SPEAKER_04: My daughter's there.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: So you gotta check out the Dick Clark American Bandstand Grill and get a with Ryan Seacrest.
37:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:52
SPEAKER_04: Uh featuring the cooking, the cooking stylings of Ryan Seacrest.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: Right, and get the uh cactus dick nachos.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, there's also one on the new New Jersey Turnpike.
38:07
SPEAKER_02: You ever see on the how they have those Turnpike restaurants?
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Like on the overpass.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: And then uh there's one at the American Bandstand Theater in Branson, I guess.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: There's another American Bandstand Theater.
38:19
SPEAKER_04: Go to Missouri all the time, too, man.
38:20
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
38:21
SPEAKER_04: I'm surprised.
38:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I must have eaten at one then.
38:24
SPEAKER_04: But there were a lot at one point, right?
38:26
SPEAKER_04: I think there were a lot at one point.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that we'd really catch on now.
38:30
SPEAKER_04: Didn't age well.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: In 1977, he had this great quote, and I think this kind of uh sums up what we've been talking about.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: He said, I'm an absolutely pure unadulterated whore.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: I will do anything for a buck.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: Who else do you think that would have applied to that we've that we've uh spotlighted on uh dirtnap city?
38:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh gosh.
38:51
SPEAKER_04: Uh um Jerry Springer.
38:54
SPEAKER_04: Jerry, I was about to say Jerry Springer, yes.
38:56
SPEAKER_04: That was the first one that popped into my mind.
38:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean, Satchel Page kind of, you know, he'd play baseball, he'd play uh you know any league that would pick him up, South America, Jim Thorpe, do anything for a buck, Jim Thorpe.
39:08
SPEAKER_04: Although he wasn't a very smart businessman.
39:10
SPEAKER_04: Um course it all goes back to uh the Roosevelts.
39:16
SPEAKER_04: All the Roosevelts were just do anything for a buck.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: Typhoid Mary, a bit of a whore.
39:24
SPEAKER_04: Hey, this is this is not a this is not a PG 13 show, so let's watch it with uh uh you you said whore four times now, and you've said dick like 17 times.
39:35
SPEAKER_04: So sorry.
39:35
SPEAKER_04: Be careful.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
39:38
SPEAKER_02: Well, um one more thing that he did, the American Music Awards.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: That was him.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: And it was uh just flat out to compete with the Grammys that uh that uh CBS had and ABC had lost the Grammys, and and he just came up with the idea, well, let's just have our own award show that goes head to head with them.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: Americans only.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: And the and well, no, it was it that's what I thought too, but it wasn't about that.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: But the difference is in you know, the Grammys is like you know, the Academy Awards where they have a group of people that vote on who the best uh stuff is.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: And this wasn't about the best, it was based on sales and airplay and polls.
40:23
SPEAKER_02: So it was in fact, when somebody wins, it's not best, it's favorite.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: So they would say like favorite.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: Um so the very first American music awards were in 1973.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Foreigner won.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh, no, uh, and the hosts listen to these hosts was uh Helen Reddy.
40:46
SPEAKER_04: I am a woman.
40:47
SPEAKER_04: Wait, is that I am Woman I Hear Me Roar?
40:49
SPEAKER_02: Smokey Robinson, okay, and Roger Miller, King of the Road.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Those were the three hosts of the first American Music Awards.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: And Helen Reddy won favorite pop rock female artist.
41:05
SPEAKER_02: For what song?
41:07
SPEAKER_02: Probably I Am Woman.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: That was like her only hit, right?
41:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: I think I don't know.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: But I calling that rock is is well, see our rock and roll episode.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and be careful, because uh she is woman.
41:20
SPEAKER_04: Katy Perry took over the roaring.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: Do you do you think that as much of an influence that this guy had, do you think anybody today under 40 even knows who Dick Clark is?
41:32
SPEAKER_04: I feel like his name gets thrown around enough that you yeah, that they would have heard of it and maybe know that he was like the guy that was on TV that their parents watched.
41:43
SPEAKER_04: But um I I think the more important question is, does anybody care?
41:48
SPEAKER_04: I think the answer is no.
41:49
SPEAKER_04: Do you think we should pay more respect to him?
41:52
SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, that's all I've been doing this whole show.
41:54
SPEAKER_04: Alex is trying to pay my respects to Dick.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's kind of been disrespectful, if yeah, if you understand.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: Really?
42:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
42:01
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, I guess when I go to Dirtnap City, he's gonna give me a the what for.
42:06
SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
42:07
SPEAKER_02: I just think that um for someone to have the kind of introduced rock and roll, he's kind of uh uh uh not that uh famous anymore.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: Unsung hero?
42:17
SPEAKER_02: I think Ed Sullivan might be more famous than Dick Clark.
42:20
SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
42:21
SPEAKER_04: No, Ed Sullivan.
42:23
SPEAKER_04: I mean, all he did was like have the Beatles on one time, and that was it.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: You don't think he's so maybe he's maybe Ed Sullivan's as famous to us as Dick Clark is to the people now.
42:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because Ed Sullivan, I mean, really, he was more of a variety show, right?
42:37
SPEAKER_04: That wasn't really a rock and roll thing, but he was a big deal to kids from that age, yeah.
42:41
SPEAKER_04: Sure, sure.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: But but it wasn't about rock and roll.
42:44
unknown: No.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: Not not mostly, you know, occasionally the Beatles, which is something Dick Clark never could do.
42:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, no, it's true.
42:51
SPEAKER_04: Um well I I really no, I I would say actually, Alex, I have more respect for Dick Clark now than I did 44 minutes and 21 seconds ago.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: All right, well then I've my job is my job is done.
43:04
SPEAKER_04: You did it.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: You did it.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening to this uh Dirt Knap City episode on Dick Clark.
43:14
SPEAKER_02: If you have any favorite Dick Clark memories or cactus dick memories or Dick Clay memories, um just hit us up and I'll try to uh get Kelly to some.
43:25
SPEAKER_04: We'll see if we can get you a cream or an ointment to help with it.
43:28
SPEAKER_04: Such a giggler.
43:30
SPEAKER_04: I want to see if actually Dick Clark had like a sign-off uh phrase.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: Like keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
43:41
SPEAKER_04: Okay, here's his here's Dick Clark's sign-off phrase.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: For now, Dick Clark, so long.
43:48
SPEAKER_04: I don't remember that.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: Dick Clark was America's oldest teenager.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: He also went by the names Dick Clay and Catherine.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: He owned the chain of hamburger joints.