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#584 - Chance The Rapper Talks Acid Rap, New Album, Blog Era, Apple Music Deal, Mac Miller, Kanye & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Booglet Cat Show, Buglet Cat Podcast. We got a special
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: guest here, man the legend chance chance to rap.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me mane.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I've had your brother up here.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: Now we got we got you know, got both the
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Bennett Boys.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: The Bennett Boys and the Bill and your dad was here.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: My dad came up here. Oh with Taylor. Yes, okay,
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: I thought you were saying again interview No no, no interview.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: The worst Bennette, the last Bennette. Anyway, Man, I got
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: to give your props to this new album.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks you.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Star line is in my opinion, uh you know, it's
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: my favorite body of work of yours.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you has to wrap so thank you. Man.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: I got to ask you this, man, because I do
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: feel like as a fan, I always would in my head,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I wonder if the out I would say, like,
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because your last album came out, you know
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: critically people, how do.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: You talk about it?
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm just kidding, but what I'm saying is I
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: wonder like, do you get to the point because as
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: a fan like of yours, I always wondered if you
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: had gotten to the point where you start to overthink
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: this shit or like you know what I'm saying, like because.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: This album always do I always overthink it.
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: When I was in.
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: When I was in the ninth grade, I put out
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: a project called This Is How It's Done. That was
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: my first mixtape. I was in a group called Instrumentality,
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: me and my best friend Justin, and I probably stressed
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: out making that album as much as I did any
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: other one. Like I feel like I'm kind of the
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: type of person that just really puts a lot of
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: pressure on the words and on how it's presented and
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: how it's contextualized.
• 1:34
  Speaker 4: And you know, am I gonna do it?
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: Even back then, I was making music videos on my laptop,
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: like literally on like the little the camera that's on
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: the laptop I was.
• 1:43
  Speaker 4: I was always like, you know, very uh.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: Like granular, like piece by piece trying to make stuff
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: even when it wasn't. I always felt like the stakes
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: were high.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Well because you I mean you all you do take
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: your time with bodies of work, Like it's not like
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: this isn't anything new, but this time you took a
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: little bit more time, but you did give us some
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: some some stuff in between.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that was that was the context. I
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: feel like the songs like I saw some some fans
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: like I be on Reddit. I can't tell you who
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: I am, but I be on Reddit and uh and
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: in my uh in my subreddit, somebody was just putting
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of talking about some of the songs
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: that came out before and like how they wish some
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: of them were on the album, but like they also
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: love that it's like their own thing that the whole
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: world doesn't necessarily know about it, and songs like Buried Alive.
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: There was another one that I was thinking of that
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: it's like really good, Oh the Lion, like the one
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: I put out about what my dad was saying to me,
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: Like I think I put it out maybe a week
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: before the album came out, even though they were just
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: like little YouTube snippets or like Instagram things, like they
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: deeply and like profoundly contextualized the album and like kind
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: of like bread crumb you into it to like what
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be talking about how I see myself, you
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like, I think it was perfect
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: that that amount of time lasted that I could do
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: all those little, you know, kind of parcel out information
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: and then I was doing my writings on the wall
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: thing where I was having like you know, like forty
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: or fifty fans come into a small room and I
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: set up like this intimate setting where they could you know,
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: hear the album but also have like a projector and
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: like lights, audio visual experience, and like doing that over
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: and over again really like refine the album.
• 3:33
  Speaker 4: It reminded me that, like, you know.
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: We're so digital now, you know what I'm saying, We
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: so like we're so like connected via the Internet that
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes we you know, can make it seem like that's
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: like the real world, and it's like it is, you know,
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: to a certain extent, some real people on the Internet,
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: it's also like that real life connection. And like really
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: being you know, hand to hand in with your fans,
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: even even if it is through the Internet, is like
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: that's like a real, real connection. And I feel like
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: if I didn't have that, I wouldn't even have the base.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: You know, there's people that weren't tuned in that are
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: loving on the album and they love it. But I
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: feel like some of the people that really are getting it,
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: like the first or second day, they're like, oh, I
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: love all these literary references or I love all this
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is in the album. Those are
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: the people that like kind of was in it the
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: whole time.
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting too because I feel like, obviously it's
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: been six years since your last project. But you know,
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder when you get as famous as you are
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: and then these like i'll callumb side quest opportunities goe
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: or you're hosting TV shows, or you're doing commercials or
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: it's almost like then it becomes not only is it
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: a full time job for you to you know, create art, right,
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: but it's also now just a job just to be you.
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, being a public face, like just to be Chance.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: The rapper, Like, Okay, what do we gotta do today?
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a hard balance because to be
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: able to really hone in when there's so much other
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: shit going on.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like it's two sided one. Like I'm
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: a dad. I've been a dad since I was twenty,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: so like I have a you know, certain level of
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: understanding of it as a job, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: and what makes money is what makes money, you know
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I have the things that I
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: think of as side quest aren't even side quest. They're
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: really like a large part of my purpose. But those
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: things have to be funded too. So I threw a
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: free fifty two thousand person festival in Ghana, West Africa
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: I think I remember seeing that.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a part of leading in the star Line.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: That's like a lot of like Wes star Line is
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: basic was victorid. It was me and me and Victis
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: the festival together and first of its kind, you know
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like it was it was really really
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: a communal and beautiful thing. I think I guess you
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: kind of had to be there to understand how deep
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: this thing was. But like that, shit costs money, like
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, it don't cost rap money,
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: it costs the voice money, you know what I'm saying.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: So doing certain stuff like that was necessary. But then
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: on the other side of it, and I didn't know
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: when I was going to say this, but I might
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: as well say it now a big part of this
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: album coming out. I'm thankful to Miss Laurence Hill because
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: she sent me a text. I rap about it in
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: like the first few bars of the intro. She sent
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: me a text one night and like you know, she's
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: in my life, but we don't talk all the time.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: She's very busy and like, you knowing like but like
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: I think her forever. She sent me this text that
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: basically said, Hey, I was watching TV and I saw
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: that you're doing a second season of the Voice, and
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: I want you to know that in this industry, you know,
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes a lot of these opportunities as important as they
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: are financially, And she was like, you know, she like
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: really was talking to me like as important as they
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: may be, like there's nothing more important than your art.
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: There's nothing more important than which like I'm sure a
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: lot of people can understand, Like how deep that is
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: coming from hill crazy right, you know, saying sure? And
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: also like how if you know me, you know, like
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: I placed her pretty high in terms of like who
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: I think are the greatest artists of all time. And
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: so I think that shit really made me cry. I'll
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: just say it like it may. It broke me down
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: into tears because I feel like I remember when I
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: when I was saying when j Cole made let Nads Down,
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: I felt like that was my let nads down moment
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: where I was just like damn, Like, first of all,
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: I'm humbled that she even thinks that my art is
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: that important. But I'm also like, damn, like, let me
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: re prioritize things. And it's not like she told me
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it or that I shouldn't do it.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: She was just like it was kind of like, where's
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: your output? Like what you I'm sure she said a
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: lot of really kind things about it, you know, because
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: she's a friend of the show. I'm still trying to
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: do the show. So I'm not saying in a way
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: where it's like she was bashing it, but she was
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: like she was just passionate telling me like, you have
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: to shine in your purpose. And I'm sure you're a
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: great coach, and I'm sure that you have your musical
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: output on the show that makes you feel good, but
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: is it what is? Do you have the time to
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: do what you're supposed to do? And so that really
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: really like it put a more of a urgency on
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: like getting out what I had to say.
• 8:21
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• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Talk to me. You meant you mentioned the Ghana Festival,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: but you know, it's been so dope. I feel like
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: it's been what six seven years now that you and
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Vic have been back super tight tight again. That was
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I was such a big fan of kids
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: these days. Yeah and uh and obviously all your early
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: shit ten day tape.
• 10:18
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: And I think, like you guys, I always think about
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: like the what ifs, Like wait, what if they never
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: would have stopped with each other? But how dope has
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: it been? Because he just put out an incredible body
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: of work that you got to spend some money on.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, which now, But but how
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: dope has that been to just have him back in
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: your life? And you guys have this you know, you
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: guys just have such a great chemistry together, and you
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: guys are so synonymous with each other.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Every time I start trying to tell a story, I'll
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: get ready to cry.
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: It's like all these these are like just like bringing
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: up important parts of my life that happened in the
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: past six years. But basically, you know, me and Vic,
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: I tell the story all the time. Me and Vic
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: really really grew up together, like been through everything together,
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: and he put me in position in a lot of ways,
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: like I would have never ended up on tour with
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Childish Gambino, which was a big, big launch point for
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: my career if he hadn't let me. I used to
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: be a roadie for a Kizzies Day, so I would,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: you know, help with the drums, help with like certain shit.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: And then Vic started having me come up and spit
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: this verse during I think it was a song called
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: hard Times and I'm not on the record, but he
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: would just have me come out and my verse. Yeah,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: And I got seen by their publicists who also represented
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Kizzies Days, and he was like, well, the roady's pretty good.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You got a mixtaper something
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I gave him ten Day, which wasn't even finish yet,
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: but like a version of it. He showed it to
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: Donald Glover and Donald Glover asked me be on tour.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: So and that's just one like situation, Like there's so
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: many different things that I probably if I just sat
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: down and thought.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: About it, that the Ath tour, I just know that
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I saw Asher Roth and kids. They's days live.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: This was at south By Southwest, so it was like
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: they had like probably six or seven shows. I had
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: three that all got canceled.
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: But like the peak days of south By when it
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: got Southviole used to be, that was zero for everything.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Ill more the rap Genius House, Like you know what
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like there's so many stories that came from that, but.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want to, you know, get
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: you off the path of oh sorry.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: About me and vic him like so you know, I
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: don't have to go too deep into it. But we
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: fell out at one point, you know, for a little while.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: And also that's like I don't even want to characterize
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: it like that because we honestly fell out a million times,
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, since before we got on
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: and like, that's just that's just life. That's just how
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: it goes, you know what I'm saying. I think we're
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: just such Yin and yang, like Kindred Speirits though that
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: like that just was bound to happen. But one of
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: the greatest things that ever happened was I had a
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: vulnerable moment with my dad where he was like, this
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: is in twenty twenty one. I think he was like, Yo,
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: we need to put together, uh, you know, a dinner
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: with the people that helped build you.
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: And that you also helped build.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that came out in this
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: era from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen that you know,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: we're my friends, childhood friends of people like that I
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: you know, grew up with and around that we all
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: like because of that era of like Chicago really going up,
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: we all created you know, names for ourselves businesses. And
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: he was like, I want to invite all those people
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: that are in all these different industries now to come
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: out to dinner and you tell them that you're working
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: on a project. And I was like, all right, for shure,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And he was like, who
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: all do you want to be there and I went
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: through the list of names and he was like, is
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: there anybody else? I was like, well, also add Joe
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: freshcuz like, well, is there anybody else? I'm like, oh,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: well add Brandon Bro. Oh well ad blah blah blah
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: blah blah. And I keep adding people and he was like,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: who's the person you're not saying. I was like, big,
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: because when it comes out get an emotional again, when
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: it comes to like sitting in the studio and being
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: my best self and wanting to rap as good as
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: I possibly can, it always comes from being sitting next
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: to Vic and we had that dinner and just be honest, like,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: you know, now in the past year, everybody that was
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: at that dinner has been activated. Shout out Mary McKean,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: shout out Brandon Bro did the artwork for the album.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Shout out Joe Frescas just called me the other.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: That's great because you know, there's there was like a
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that the artwork might have been AI.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's a concerted Did you see that? Yeah?
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: I saw that on Twitter. I was like, I know
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: when I saw the artwork, I knew what we were getting.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is this is that acid
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: rap coloring book.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: No. Yeah, what I'm saying now Brandon is like he's
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: just such a phenomenal artist man, and like across so
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: many different mediums, and I think after this project people
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: will tune into his other works. Like he's really raw
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: what's called augmented reality and a lot of like tech
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: art right right, But his style is just it's like
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you can't you can't mimic it. There's no AI that
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: can make what Brandon does. Brandon draws, Brandon paints naturally,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: like with oils and crylics and stuff. But he also
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: all of my cover arts say he's done. He drew
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: with a fucking iPad pencil for sure, you know what
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So like as a digital artist, he's just
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: like super cunnitis. But basically all those people showed up
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: in my life, you know, by I would say February
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: of this year, everybody that was at that dinner got
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: activated somehow, But who I will say was activated since
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when we had that dinner was Vic,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Like we we would rent out this crib in La
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: and it's amazing poet that like kind of raised me
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: and Vic Agramone, not to make it sound like she's
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: that much older than us, but like, you know, somebody
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: that we both looked up to was Agramone, and she
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: would come and sit with us and do writing prompts
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: like we used to do when we was in high
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: school in the after school writing programs, and give us
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: different prompts to just you know, to sharpen our pen
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: literally over and over again. And we made so many songs,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: like so many songs that I literally I could hear it,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm making screwfaces at the verses because
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like I never heard them before. But like
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: all of that prepared me to make what was Starline
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and and it was really like a journey that I
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: took with.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Vic, you know, shot to Vic Man talk to me.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I always say, you know, I forget who we just
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: had on the pod. But we're talking about, uh, the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: blog era, and I'm like, I look at the blog
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: era as the bookend being Chance. I feel like you
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: were the last Wow blog era star, Like you're the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: last product of the blog era that like, really you
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's deep. I feel like Acid
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Rap kind of was like it was like and but
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: but but but that whole entire era, I feel like
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: kind of all came together on this Mac Miller tour. Yeah,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: so we look back at this Mac Miller tour, it's Mac,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it's you, It's at the Internet, Vince Staples, I'm forgetting
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: somebody else.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It was school Boy did a couple of days. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: for some reason in my mind, I want to say
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Donald did some days, but I know that it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: in saying though, yeah, Action, Action Bronson, school Boy and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: one other person came on for a few days.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Meek Mill did a date in Philly.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Crazy by the way, if you go and you got
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to see Mac Miller, meek Mill.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Is that's that's that tour raised me yo, like I
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: went and raised me fast, And I have a whole
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: record that's like not a whole record, but you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I talk about it on the record on the outro.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Like the year before that, I went on tour with Donald.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Donald is ten years older than me and very very
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: like mature and meticulous, and his decision making and his
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: whole tour is his.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Family and friends that he grew up with.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: And that taught me a lot of the ways to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: operate smart. But a lot of like the you know
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, they wouldn't let me go to the
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: strip club with them, and like, you know, they just
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: were very protective. Like these was like older brothers in
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, or even like uncles Khanna and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: they and they were young too. I was twenty one,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: they were thirty one, so like it wasn't like they were,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: but they had a different approach to things than when
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I went on the tour and we're all kids, you
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like maybe two or one year
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: older than me, and so on the album, I say,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: we grew up on tour like we were actually child
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: stars and we didn't really realize it, but like because
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: we felt like I'm eighteen, I'm like teen, I'm you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, I'm twenty like whatever.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: It is like I'm going around and I'm an adult.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: But like really we were having a lot of like
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: premature experiences and like you know, exposure to things on
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a level that like, you know, a lot of people
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: don't get to see till thett older I never get
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: to see at all. And I'm really I always really
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: really value that tour and the experiences I had and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the friendships that was made because it really really took
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: me a lot of places, like ten Day came out
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and that you know that did something for me, especially
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: in Chicago and put me on tour.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I remember you do it put me on a ten
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Day before any before I saw it on any blogs.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: What was fucking Freddy Gibbs old DJ's name for DJ Ozone?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not sorry, right Ozone is my other
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Damn Now I'm fucked up.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm about.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: He's like, yo, okay, if you'll like this and that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: ship man.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That was the first time I came to l A.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I stayed at ISO's crib and chuck English when you
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: said blog era, I had to make the cool kids
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was also like, they're kind of before Blogger, a little
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like to me that was blog when I was So
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: when I think of blog Era, I think of like
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: two dope boys, not right, I think of fake shore Drive,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I think of ill roots. I think of like a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: lot of spaces that I was trying to get onto
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: because I was seeing that the cool kids and you
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, I really want to say it,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: so I don't want to fuck up, Dom Kennedy, What.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Was the Knowledges group from Chicago.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Kids, the kids in the Hall, Like all of that
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: stuff was happening while I'm in high school and we're
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: all thirsty to go to streetwear stores where they're all
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: playing this music and having niggas mixtapes on the counter
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: so you could come in and buy one. And I
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a part of that. This is when
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I'm seven, sixteen, seventeen years old, so, like I mean,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I remember meeting the Cool Kids at a Wendy's meeting,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: specific Chuck English when I was a kid. You probably
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: don't even remember this, but as a child leaving leaders.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: By the way, thanks to the for they brought snapbacks
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: back period that's the fact.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Man, they brought rap back. Man Like the Cool Kid
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: is one of the most important hip hop groups period
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: fast and I think like so much of like style,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: retro futurism, like being yourself, like being like all of
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that shit came from them, from Chuck and Mikey and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I like they I actually got introduced to I invented
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: my ad lib. This is a story that I never
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: get to tell. I'm so glad you brought up Mac
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and you brought up all this stuff. I never get
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to tell the story the way that my ad lib
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: my that came from a session where I was supposed
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to be with Chuck. Chuck brought me to the studio.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I'm standing in the in the booth. This is like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: my first time, like in a real studio in LA
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I've been in studios in Chicago, but like I feel,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of weight on it. And while
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I'm recording, Mac Miller came into the control room and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I was getting ready to start my rap. It's the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: first song on ten day. It's called fourteen four hundred minutes.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to like charge up and I'm going, ah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, nervous tick, I got ADHD, I'm kid, Yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just like doing I And I'm like all right,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I'm ready started over. And Mac told somebody to tell
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: me through the intercom to keep that shit at the beginning.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And like I don't even know why I forget that
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: or why I never told that story, But like I
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: thank Chuck for like bringing me to the studio and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: letting me be this little brother nigga. That's just like
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: following him around with no name at that time, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: also like you know Mac for interjecting and being like
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that shit hot, you know what I'm saying, Like little
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: moments like that, Like and then I ended up working
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: with all of them and touring with all of them
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and like rolling up like in spaces with them.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, don't forget to go to bootleg cab dot com.
• 22:05
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• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Do you go back ever? And just press play on
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: acid Wrap. It's such a perfect body of work, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's such a time piece I.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Appreciate, man, honestly, don't listen to it that much my music.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I listened to the most while I'm making.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: It, and maybe like in a few weeks, a few
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: weeks after it comes out, at a certain point, I'd
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: be thinking a lot about things I wanted to change
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: or all types of like I.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Just felt, you know, it's like you know, like, however,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: many years later, let's strow on acid rap. Let me
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just remember where the fuck I was then, you know
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That's what music does with people. And I think for me,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: as the person that made it, I have so many
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: more memories attached to it than other people do.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: No, no, so it's a lot. It's probably if you're
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: a task for you to like, like you said, you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: might get emotional, you know what I'm saying.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: When I when I when I made aswer Rap, like
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I was still figuring out who I was, I always
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: look at asser Rap as a project of questions and
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: color and book like you know, I thought I had
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: found the answers. And I think aswer Rap is is
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: so pure and so like you know, I really hope
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: that my mom used to say this thing when I
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was a kid, that she called it the second album
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: text test.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Because my mom's super into music.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: She always used to say that like an artist's second
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you know album is the most important, because that's how
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you know if they just like you know, if it
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: was I'm saying, you do it twice, if you could
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: do it twice, then you then you got it. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: she used to put that pressure on every new CD
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: that we would get from an artist that I already
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: sucked with, and uh, I put that same amount of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: pressure in my mind, this is my second thing, even
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: though nobody had really heard today, but I'm in my brain,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it was your second thing. Yeah, it was
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: my second thing as a chance to rapper. So I'm like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I think, like it's really a kid that's like hungry
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to be this specific thing, this specific you know, different, quirky,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: gospeling inspired, you know, well worded album or mixtape at
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the time, and it accomplishes all of those things. But
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know, it's just like it's it's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: flat now. Like I loved it the most when I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was making it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Well, were you actually like on the Psychedelic's pretty tough
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: while creating.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and while not creating so like I was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: like Troom's acid all yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't have kids, I didn't have.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Non for profits, I didn't have microdos.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Every day.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Michael Dozan is different from half and just walking around
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like we're going in the studio and literally just like
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: what I always tell people as funny is like there
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: were a lot of acid and shroom sessions, but like
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I can't think of one song that's on asca rap
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: that actually comes from those sessions, right, you know what
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's almost like it, you know, because it depending on
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: how much you've taken, you probably you might catch the magic.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It's incredibly hard to function on.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Very hard, because every beat sounds like the greatest beat ever.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I remember, I was always the scariest beat.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I like, I have to ate the shrooms. And I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: was in the studio with a buddy of mine who's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a rapper, and he's playing me his album, Big Big Artist,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and it sounded like the greatest hip hop album ever
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: created at the time. And then it came out and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I listened to it and I was like, man, this
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is weak.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got this ship was cracked. I was high. No, literally,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the vibrations was just they took me over the skewed
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: perception of the world. No, I think like I was.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I was documenting my life, and so the days where
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: it was clearest and I was best able to do
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that was on the days where I was just smoking wheed.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and I think, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the the experience of like living in through an album
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: is like how I create, like I have to like
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I have to live my life and then look at
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it and then kind of judge it and then kind
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of put a theme or thesis to it, and then
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I and then I create a bunch of different pieces,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: typically from thinking of a title or a or a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: topic first and then just writing to that over different
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: beats and the different.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Things tell me. So I want to jump to the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: new album a little bit. There's some crazy joints on
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: here conceptually, Uh, you know this this Letter's record is
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: it is a lot many thank you man.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's so funny. I was I was gonna say, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that's the one that almost didn't make it. And it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: not because I was saying anything controversial, but it was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: because I was like, this one, this one's scaring the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: hoes for.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Shure, I don't like later on in the album, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it's definitely you know, I feel like for people who
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: haven't heard that the record, it's it's you know, each
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: letter is a letter to a you know, in a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: different perspective. Yeah, it's like but but you know, it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it's man, it's a lot dog like when you're writing
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that record, Like, yeah, that record was That's.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: One of the few that's a punch cut. So I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: actually didn't put in the paper for that one, which
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: feels so phony because I keep talking about I'm writing
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the motherfuckers.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: But like that was inspired by two works.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So a lot of those songs on the album just
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: for context are like inspired by some literary works. So
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: either a book like The Negro Problem or Homer's Odyssey
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: for Space and Time or uh, you know from certain
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: from poetry with with No Moral Men or.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I felt like you had just to drop was one
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of those records that felt like I could have read
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it out loud in a poetry book.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I forget how I wrote that in Atlanta. I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: don't know why. That's one of the records that came
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: back out of nowhere.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: That one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And Ride at the towards the end of the sequence
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in the project, I was like, you know what, we
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: need to ride on that?
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: You know what, you know what we need just to
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: drop on that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: But like for a while, those both of those and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: a few other ones were not on the record, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: even though I made them a while ago.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And the letters you were saying, you're punching in the line.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just But it's inspired by two books sort of.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: One of them is uh, James Cohne's book The Crossing
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the Lynching Tree, and it's like one of his like
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: most important works in like explaining black liberation theology. But
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: when I was when I was reading that, I was
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: getting super super radicalized for Christ and for my people,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and like so I was like, I.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Need to format this at some point.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So I had an idea for a song called The
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Crossing the Lynching Tree, and then I and then I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: was also inspired by Paul's letters. So in the Bible,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: like the last like I don't know, like a lot
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of books of the Bible are letters from Paul to
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: different church.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So you get like, if you've ever heard.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Of Romans or Thessalonians or Corinthians, that those are letters
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to the Church and corinth or letters to the Church
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of Rome or wherever.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: And so all these letters that he was writing are.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Like these scathing, you know, mad letters to them saying
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: y'all fucking up, this is not how the church is
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, and explaining them that his life was
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: divinely changed by Christ. So there's like this ongoing Christian
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: meme that may not be your algorithm where it's like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: where the most.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Christian thing in my algorithm is my guy Miles Minnick.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: It's just a joke that like of like, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: imagine the letter that the church will get from Paul today.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I felt like that that that nails the perspective of
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the record.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: That's where it comes from. So the first verses to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: my church that I grew up in, the second.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Verses to the megachurches.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, third verses to the Black Church which exists,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and you know what I'm saying. And then the fourth
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: one is to the body, which is you know, not
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to get too deep into theology, but the Church is
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: considered the body or the bride of Christ and and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and and Christ is the head and the body is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: all of us. So to be church doesn't mean to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: be brick and mortar or to represent necessarily certain principles.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It's just the existence of us and the connection of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: us working together is what makes up Christ's body. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: so like I added that last verse at the very
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: very end because it used to just be three mean
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: ass letters. And my pastor was like, I sent it
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to him a while ago, and he was like, you
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: got to talk about the good that's happened in the church,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: which I obviously didn't still, but I wanted to, like,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you know, at least not even sympathize, but empathized with
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the body, because I am the body.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Are you nervous sending that to your pastor?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I think I was nervous, and I was hoping that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: he was gonna be like, oh, it's all good, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: he was like, it's not all good. So there was
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a long time where I was like, you know, I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: said partially that I didn't want to do it because
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I felt like the song be scaring the host, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: also I was not doing it because I was like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to be I don't want to
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: persecute Jesus. I look, he just watched the whole sermon
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: on Sunday that was like, you know, talking about how
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: when Saul meets Christ down the road to Damascus, he's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: he asked him, why do you persecute me, which is
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: saying that like by by Saul, you know, murdering and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: hung down and persecuting Christians. He was ultimately, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: by attacking the body, he was attacking the head.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I still have feelings about it, you know, but I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: published the work, I stood on it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's great, and I think I think, I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, like I'm not
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a super religious guy, but I do think that like
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who aren't super religious will see,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the mega church shit. You know, we think
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: of Joel Stein not letting people in during the hurricane
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in Houston, and we're like, wait a minute, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and a lot of these mega preachers are magas. Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know, I just feel like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you know, religion, I feel like as you know, I mean,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I think I think that's why I thought it was dope,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: because because it's it should be at least in my opinion.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm not the person to look for, but it
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: should be like a direct relationship, you know what I'm saying.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And it's not about you know, where you go, because
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who are preaching a lot of
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: these places are you know, ran by humans, and all
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: humans are imperfect, you know what I'm saying.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And and and the church is not God. You know
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying the church is us, so we should
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: be a reflection of God, and we should be you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: we should be giving, you know, the shelter and things
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that we have to those in need, and we should
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: be you know, the song is really really blessed, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: so I want to like also even take a step back,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: like I'm not at all ashamed of the words.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's so good man. When I listened to it, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this this is some shit. This is
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: great what I really want to doing concepts anymore. I'm
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: like this was a joke. Like I felt each verse
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: building up, like I was like, okay, no.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you man.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like I was very intentional about like really
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: seeing concepts through. This is a lofty album, and it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: a lot that I'm trying to achieve and address and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: attack at the same time. And being who I am
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: or however people might see me without like knowing what
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: this music is. It makes it like just a lot
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to do. And so I was really really careful about
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: my words and what I wanted to say, because I
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: don't want to under address or overlook anything.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me, do you send okay, you send
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: letters to your preacher, do you send Speed of Light
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to Common.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I should have. I should have. That is so crazy,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that record, it didn't used to have the Bobby call Well,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, not Bobby Callwell? Am I right? Bobby Call?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Why do I feel like I'm messing that up right now?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know who. I don't know who.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby is the dude. That sample and one of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: my favorite songs. There are times, of course that song
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: has always been in my life and the whole all
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of the samples throughout the album are to me are
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: parts of my makeup and and a lot of shared
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you know, musical genetic makeup that like helps tell this
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: story and helps like be the better foundation for these messages.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And when I was making that song, it didn't have
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that sample in it, like for a long long time.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: The person who brought that sample to the song was
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: bj the Chicago kid that's my dog.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Like, hey man, he was I think he was on
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: ASI rap twice.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, it's like really like this album twice. No,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I mean he's a fucking legend. Yeah, he's coming to
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the Blue Note. They just opened a Blue Note cafe
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: here and he's coming next month.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta come see that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: He's incredible. No, he's like such an underrated artist.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: That's another person.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: When we were just talking about the blog era, Like
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I remember like begging to be in his music video
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: one time he shot a video with him and GLC.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I was probably fifteen at the time at the leaders stort.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I have Chicago is a very like rich musical like
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: sure like everything, and so it's like being around certain
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: people just through getting to see them like I watched
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: them ascend, like I get to learn so much from
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: him and then BJ being in my space. He's always
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: bringing like you know, a certain no pun intended light
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to the session and a certain like spirit of an
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: adventure of being like, oh what if we do this?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Like I would never come to somebody's session. I'm not
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: saying it like he did anything wrong. He actually changed
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the song for the better. Better, Yeah, but I would
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: never come to somebody's session and be, you know, singing
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: vocals like background vocals on it and be like you
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: should put a sample on that joint? Like what nobody
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: says that. But he's like he's a genius and he
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and he really like translated the song I just had
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the at the speed a lie, and then I didn't
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: know what to do for the hook. He was like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: you should put poll Well on that, and but I
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: should have. I also like, remember the day I was
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: in Jamaica. I spent a lot of the time making
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: this in different parts of the world. Where did you
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: make where you I was in Kingston. I spent a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: lot of time in Kingston making this album. And shout
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: out to all of everybody. You know what I'm saying, man,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Jamaica is beautiful, and specifically Kingston is beautiful, and that's
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: not where people typically vacation.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you should go to Montego Bay, the north east.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Side of the or west side of the island, but
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Kingston is where all the culture, the history of the music,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the yeah radical thought, it's it's a lot of that
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is there. And I was driving. I was actually with
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Popcorn and he rode with us. So the first day
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: that I brought my friends down there, we stopped in
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Montego Bay and then we drove down to the other
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: side of the island.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: We went down there, Popcorn like and all of his homies.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: We rode in basically a motorcade of like thirty vehicles
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and ATVs from one side of the island to the other.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And once we got to Kingston, that's when I was
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: got to like really experience what would become the next
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: like four trips that we took down there was like
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Kingston is where all of the history and everything is.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can you bring me those?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: We got some albums, yeah, some hard copy, let's go.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been hand to hand in these joints.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: We got to pop up. I've really been out the trunk. Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: can you have one? Can buy one? Yeah, of course.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: There we go. See like media please physical media?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, yeah, No, you were.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Talking about Chicago earlier. I mean dude kicking the album
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: off track to Do or Dies. Yeah. By the way,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: they just did a new video to do you Like.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a resurgence. So those are the architects
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: of to me, you know what I'm saying. I don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: want to discount anybody, but of the Chicago rap scene.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It's like damn twist.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Twist got put on.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like so it's like we come from
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: this musical lineage of like of a certain artistry and
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: style and like pimping and like understanding of just fly
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: ship in Chicago that like you know, you get you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: get like flares of that in other places, but that's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: like a real, a deep part of Chicago. And when
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I was making the song ride like it's so funny,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Like there's certain songs on the album that I've heard
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: people say like this is my easy listen, this is
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: my like you know, this is just when you're fucking around.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's like those be the deepest ones. Like when you
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: go back through and you listen.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: To like, what's what you're saying?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh well even on the record, Uh,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: what's the record you have with the Chief Dude? Oh yeah,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the ice line. Yeah, it's like that's that song? Is
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that song is slack? Yeah, But that's how you gotta
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: do it. Like that's what I learned this from KRS one.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: He said, it's it's hip and it's hot, and the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: hip you gotta you gotta be hip, you gotta be intelligent,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you gotta be educating. But the hop the movement. You
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: gotta keep the movement going. If they if people can't
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: move to it, at least bob they head at least
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: something you you can't carry them through the amount of
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: listens that it's going to take to break down the hip.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So it's like.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: That song that that one way sample the you know
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, The fact that do or Die comes
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in with these like super nostalgic and super sly tones,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like the hook, everything of
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: it feels nostalgic and a part of a movement. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: then you know what I'm saying, I'm able to be lyrically,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: you know, to say whatever I want to say. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: then the same thing for the record with Baby Chief,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's probably my most radical song on the album.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I would say, like it's politically probably, I mean it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: one of them.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I think there are I feel I feel that way too.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: This is a very conscious album. Yeah, and this is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a political and I've been saying this on the pod.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: With everything that's going on in the world right now,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: there's such a lack of what we grew up on.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean, like, yo, there
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: we like we have to talk about this stuff, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you could do it without it being preachy, without it
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: being you.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Have to or nobody.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to listen to a nigga tell me
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing wrong over a week ass beat, you
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: know what I gotta I need to damn near be
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: in love with a song before I could break it down.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: That was one of the most important things that I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: learned or taught myself over the course of making the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: album is that I, as a writer, attack things almost
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: always from what I'm saying and how it'll read. But
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: nobody listens to music, including me in that way. The
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: very first thing anybody hears is pitch. The second thing
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that they'll hear is rhythm, and then melody and then
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: me serious. But even when you hear the lyrics, it
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: still takes, like, you know, a long time to understand
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: and break down lyrics, you know what I'm saying, So like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I have to focus so much on the drum because
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: that's a communicator too, and I gotta focus a lot
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: on the bass or the synth, bass or you know whatever.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: So I got, you know, way more involved in production
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and arrangement and in like, you know, really formatting the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: songs in a way that's like gonna make it feel
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: good the first time I hear it, and the third
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: time I hear it, and the hundredth time I heard it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yo. I am maybe in a minority here, but I
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: actually enjoyed The Big Day I did too, funny enough,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I had just gotten married in twenty eighteen, you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and I actually really I thought it was a fun album.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I liked it, and it's a fun album for you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Like, did the reaction to that album fuck with you
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Of course? I think it will fuck with anybody. I
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: think if anybody was me, it will fuck with them.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: But I think, like.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: What really.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Saved me in a lot of ways was like finding
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: other creative outputs. So like film became like a thing
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that I got really really deep into.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: So I kind of like one thing I.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Learned from Dave Chappelle, who you know is my most
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: important mentor in my adult life.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's been there for everything and like really
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: like loves me, you know what I'm saying, Like, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I love him too. I love his whole family. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: one of the most important things he taught me, Like
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: this is maybe like a week or two after The
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Big Day came out, or maybe this like the next month,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and I was like going through it and I came
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to Ohio to do this show with him, and I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: was asking him about like how he went through certain
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: things and like what you know, what his advice was,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and he gave me a bunch of good advice, but
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: one of the things that he was saying, I'm about
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: to butcher it. But like he made this metaphor about
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: being on the basketball court and you know what I'm saying,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: everybody's using your ball and then you know, they start
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: dissing the way that you play or the way that
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you want to set the rules, but it's your ball.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So sometimes you got to just take your ball and
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: They might find another ball, but it's not gonna be
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: your ball. It's not gonna be you. So when you're ready,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you come back to the court and you set the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: playing feeling you and when they're when they figure out
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the need you, you show up as your exact same
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: self with no concessions. And like I really took that
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: to heart and I started, you know, just like creating
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: in my own space and learning about you know, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I had a whole lot of things to figure out too,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of things was going against me at
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that time. But like the the thing that really, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I really dove deep into and that brought me back
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to music, was watching you know, film essays and learning
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: about how to use a camera and how to you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: learning specifically direction and cinematography. And that made me shoot
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the video for The Heart and the Tongue, which gave
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: me my visual language, like putting the text on the screen,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: just contextualizing how I want to be seen. Imagine like
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: everybody else is memifying and trying to define. And it's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: not every body too. I want you to look up
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: dead internet theory. Okay, I don't even need to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: into it right now, but a lot of the things
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that you see on the Internet are not individuals live
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: in real lives, and a lot of the people that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you see doing certain things have been programmed through what
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: they're seeing consistently to your opinion. Right, So, when you're
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: in a position where like there's so much media telling
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: your story inaccurately and depicting you a certain way, you
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: get this like very heavy feeling of like I need
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to be in control of how I'm seeing, or at
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: least that's how I felt.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: And you're like, you want to control your own narrative.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And just like as an artist, I think I'm beautiful.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Right by the way, I think I think you kicked
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: off that pretty record.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: And this year's ten damn final. Lord, it's like I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: had to like remind myself who I am and the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: with that, like with that time that I spent focusing
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: on how to really frame myself up in a video
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: and how I wanted to be seen and thinking about
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: myself more as a narrator than the star, making my
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: words the star, and focusing on every video you gotta
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: see what I'm saying so no one can misinterpret me,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: misquote me, or misunderstand me. And now you got seventeen
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: of those, Like what do you do with that?
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• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Outside of you know, being a you know pioneer the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: blog era when it comes to what we consider independent
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: music and some of these deals that were coming up. Obviously,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: your your run with Coloring Book and you you did
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: like a first of it at the time. This is
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a new thing because you did the deal with Apple
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: d Yeah. Yeah, this was a whole entire new landscape.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Streaming is new. This is before we all have Spotify
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: on our phone and Apple Music on our phone.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: It was really in.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: The middle of the streaming war.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So it was so funny, is like, because time does fly,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: like some people don't you know, have the context for
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: what was happening. But the at that time title there
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: was no Amazon Music. I was getting exclusives exactly everybody.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: There's this exclusive war and.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Because everybody because they wanted you to sign up.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they exactly. They wanted to get the users. And
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Spotify has always had hella hella users. And because I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: don't think Spotify has ever done that, right, I don't think.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Because they were trying to get there. So like a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: lot of artists started doing those deals where they would
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: say my album is going to be exclusively on this
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: on this platform for for two weeks. And when it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: came to me, I think mine was so you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: like platformed and talked about because my music had never
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: been on any like official platform before. It was always
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: on that pith SoundCloud YouTube of course, and so it
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, this is an independent artist that's
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: going direct to fans, that's getting like you know, basically
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the company that makes all of our phones is promoting
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: this artist who's anti record label. So now it's like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel like I took a hit from
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: people like making it seem like they built my album
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: or built my infrastructure.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Or built or built because that's the thing is like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: it I remember the narrator, it's not it's not really independent,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, Like it's pretty crazy to think,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: like you've never not been independent.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: It's been scary.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: It's it's pretty wild though, because what you because what
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you've done that's very smart, is people who don't understand,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like you will hire somebody to do what a major
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: label does. You outsource the work, but you're keeping all
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: your masters all you keep all the money, but you're
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: taking all the risk.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's how it's supposed to naturally work.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: That's how it works up until you get in the system.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And it's so weird because you work. People that get
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: signed have done what I've done to get signed. They
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: had a manager, or they had a publicist, or they
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: had an assistant, or they had something that you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: even if it's just your friends or your family, like
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: they put on a show or put out a song
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: to the point that they got noticed, not even first
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: by a label, but by fans. Because labels don't sign
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: niggas that no one's ever heard of. That's in the movies.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Yeah, maybe in.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: N you can take a demo tape and impress somebody
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and hey, but now it it don't matter how good
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the music is.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: You know what the label's gonna do when they get
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: that demo tape, They're gonna say, we want to see
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, because if the label wants to people,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: they want tickets. They want to see people invest it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: It's not they do not care about your talent herd.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Tickets are all that matter because they know that they
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: could Okay, well if they if this guy can do
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: five hundred fans in his hometown, yeah, we could scale this.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: And that's that's like the key to understanding it is
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: like if you can get a team around you that
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: can help you organize into like exactly the spaces that
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: you choose, then you can continuously, like you know, build
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: your fan base. I started out in libraries and putting
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: on my own shows at Reggie's Rock Club in Chicago's
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: like four hundred person cap venue. But I go to
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: all these schools after school with my dad and my
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: my friends and save money and be selling tickets hand
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: to hand or passing out CDs, and.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: That built a fan base.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: And so when like when Keith blew up MTV did
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: this thing I think it was called My Block Chicago.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I remember that say was going roundering all my blocks
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: so that that I don't even think I'm featured in
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the fucking episode, which used to blow me. But like
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I was lucky enough that like.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: What, that's most Chicago thing you said today? What I say,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: but you said it used to blow you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm getting do Chicago though. Yeah, but I
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: think it was like a thing where.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Uh we.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: That that created like a wave or like a new
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: level of interest everything that Keith was doing. And then
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the MTV special where a lot of people started looking
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: at Chicago, and that like put me in a position
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: where I started like flying out to New York and
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: LA to go take label meetings. And when the labels
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: would come, they would be like, Okay, we want to
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: see your show, we want to go to see your
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: SOB show, we want to see blah blah blah blah blah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And I had the people and that's what kept the interest.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Like obviously I have a skill, but like does it sell,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: does it do this? And so I think like the
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: point that I was making originally was just like everybody
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: is independent till they're not. And I know enough people
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: and seeing enough movies to know that usually when you're
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: not is you seem to have the same troubles, if
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: not more.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Was there ever a point in like like what was
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the closest you had gotten to signing or was it ever?
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you considered it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've told the story before that I almost signed.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to who, but I almost signed in
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: the New York office, Like.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Was it to a rappers label or was it was?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: It was it was.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: To like an imprint of a major label but not
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: ran by an artist. And uh and yeah, they printed
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: out the paperwork in the meeting type shit, that's like
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: one of the tactics.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they want to show you. Hey, their goal
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: is to you are not going to leave until you
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: sign this. So if we have it printed and you
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: see the number on the paper and no, no, I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: gotta have my lawyer this ship. I gotta, I gotta.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: My dad called me during the meeting and said, whatever
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: you do, don't sign anything as a just a random
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: phone in the meeting while I'm in the meeting.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm in the meeting. Sign whatever you do.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Don't sign anything, and they have just passed it across
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: the table to fucking Shout out to your dad man,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Shout out to my dad.
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• 54:46
  Speaker 1: cool are you with Barry with Barack? I feel like
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: me and your dad were talking about Barack a little
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: off camera when he was here with your brother. Are you, like,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: can you text Barack Obama?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I have Barack Obama number.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think I even have his number.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: If you shot hoops with him, No, I never shot
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: hoops with him. I've been to the White House a
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: couple of times. My dad used to work for him
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: in the White House and at the Senate level. Yeah, like,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I don't don't. I don't like know him where I
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: like talk to him on you know, with your holladays
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and stuff, but you know I met him, yeah, White House.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Super sick?
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I do think I don't
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: want to like make get into politics too much, but
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I do feel like, you know, right now we're in
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: this crazy space, and I'm glad that you acknowledge what's
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: going on with ice, you know, because it's obviously hit
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of communities all over the country. Chicago's got
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a big lat specialpulation L a right here. But for you, man,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: is could you ever see yourself going in that direction
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of like on an official capacity.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: No, I was just saying this yesterday.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: The prestige and facade of honor that was originally attributed
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: to being a public servant is like kind of gone.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: And and I think I have a better understanding now
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: that to be, you know, in certain offices makes you
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: a part of the system in a way that like
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it's kind of unavoidable unless you want to see JFK.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: No, you see bro, Yes that I don't know if that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Was too radical to say. I don't mean it in
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a disrespectful way, but I'm just saying.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: JFK was talking about getting rid of certain organizations, he
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: was calling out certain countries, and then he died. Seriously.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: It's so I think, like, no, you're right about that.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It's like you because you know, I'm not.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Afraid of death in that in that way that like
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: my words or my actions are less important than my
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: immediate safety most of the time. But I think there's
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: an understanding that I have now that you participate in
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a global community that's tied to capitalism and the death
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: of brown and poor people. Across the world. That is
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: unavoidable almost, And so some of the strongest people in
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: our nation right now are just people with pens and
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: papers and microphones. Yes, because they influence culture and they
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: push the revolution for this.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Is the thing I'll say. It's like, you know, when
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: we see everything that's been going on in the world,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: it's like, for better or worse, it seems as if,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like our politicians will, they're forced to react to the
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: people at certain points in time. And when I think
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: about what's going on with like in Gadza, right, yeah,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you know, if it wasn't for the Internet, if it
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't for like Sean King early on, like a lot
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of this stuff we wouldn't have seen. And now you
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: see people and they cannot not face it anymore.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And they still to a certain extent act like the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: hands are tied the heroes in this. You know how
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: many journalists have been killed in Gaza. Everyone from Al
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Jazeera is dead, you know what I'm saying, yea. And
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: so to be somebody with a microphone or a pen
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: or paper, and to be a documentarian in this era
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is like something a great responsibility and a great, great
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: risk and you and you can end up giving your
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: body to the movement by just trying to give your
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: blessed gift to the movement. And so I championed the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: journalist and the writers and the and the people that
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: speak out in this time so much more than any politician.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: And I think like.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: The people are motivated by people telling the truth and
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: being you know, voices for the voice, and it makes
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: them feel like they have a power too. And you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I think we're naturally inclined to want leaders and politicians.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I think anybody can anybody can and and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: might have a good heart going into it, but.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like like you're intense good and then when you
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: get into the system, you're like, oh oh yeah, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I got to peek behind the curtain and there's really
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: nothing I got. You're playing you gotta play ball. You're
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: gonna get primary or you know.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: And I think there's also like a level with both
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: artists and you know, people seek in public office that
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: there is a level of selfishness and like wanting to
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: be you know, voted for, and like there's a there
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: is a vainus to being a politician, yeah, to be
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: a public face and figure period. And I think that, like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I don't believe totally that everybody that goes into uh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: into that specific workforce of working for the US or
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the powers that be are completely naive or like you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: un aware of those pitfalls in politics. Maybe they just
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: believe that they I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it is. And I'm not dissing politicians, like we need
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: we need good people.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: And I think finally, like it feels like there might
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: be a moment happening where like things could turn because
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the people have almost gotten a peek behind that curtain
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to a point where they're like, oh no, no, no, no,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: you know tell me uh. I always have this analogy
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and and you know, I always say, if you go
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: through Ya's albums, he'll always kind of sample a human
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I think he cut he itoids and heartbreaks. I think
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Travis Scott was around for a lot of the stuff.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I felt like he sampled your energy for the Life
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: of Pablo because it felt you're I mean, obviously Ultra
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Light Being to Me is one of the greatest songs ever,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest intros ever. Can you just kind
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of take you were around for that album for that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, there are fans who say
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: it's like Yay's last great album, and I don't. I like,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you know, but I don't want to get into that.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: But but what was that process like being around creating
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: that album and obviously ultra light beams in all timer
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: man put it in the rafters. Yeah, that's like your
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: hero at the time.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I remember how big of a deal that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: was for you.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: It was a huge I was a kid, you know
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I was twenty three. I hadn't even
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: put out Color and Book yet. It was three years
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: since Asserap came out. I'm working on this project at
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that time that you know, I'm thinking it's going to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: be radically different from anything else out. Nobody was rapping,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you know, in a mainstream and I wasn't even mainstream,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: but like was rapping about their faith, you know, on
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: several different songs or using that as a as like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: a blanket theme.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: For their project.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, growing up, Jesus Walks was like,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you know, was the song that that my mom loved.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Of course, so it's like I had a you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that was crazy. I was a you know what I'm saying.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I was a kid.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: And I was very like.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Even though I had just that I had my kid,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: yet I don't know, Yeah, I did have my after
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: I just became a father. And so the idea of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like working with this person that influenced me so much,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: and you know what I'm saying, being able to write
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: on multiple songs and like kind of guide you know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: the workspace, and at times was like it felt crazy.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: And I came and I was let in like slowly,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: so it was like I came in to do a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: feature verse at the crib that didn't end up getting used,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: and I came and did a rework of the verse
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't get used, And then he asked me to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: come in and do Ultra light Beam, which was me
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: and Nico Sigal, who plays horn on all my records
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: and produced on Letters and a bunch of other stuff
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: that I've worked with, did Surf, Donald Trumpet on the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Social experien. We we sat in and like worked on
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: that Ultra light Beam beat for like a whole day,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: and then I got brought back a few more times.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I ended up writing on I think four other songs
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and was there like through the completion of the album,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and it was it was a very like it's just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to like even remember everything from it,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: but I do remember I was gassed as fuck.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I remember you.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: That, Like that's what you know.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: I think everybody also, like just for perspective, everybody has
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: a rapper that they grew up loving that. You know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: it's typically from their hometown that they have some sort
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of like they identify with that person at a young age,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that person almost becomes a part of their identity. And
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: imagine if that person was kind of and imagine if
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: like you're from the same city as them, you become
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: a rapper. You know, it's like there's I'm getting super
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: caught up on my words. I think all I'm trying
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to say is like that time it was very formative
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: for me because it was my like that was the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: last bit.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Of times of like.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Me before like launching into like what I feel like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I'm still on it. Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, like if you think about like coloring book
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: comes out, everything changes, man. I mean it's it's like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: because acid rap was such a phenomenon, and i mean,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: look three years later, you're still going crazy off of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: this classic mixtape and and then you got to deliver
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: after acid Rap, re see you in the studio with Kanye,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and then Coloring Book comes and it's like just it's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: just to the racist dog.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: It's so funny though, Like when I think about it,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: like everybody has different I guess perspectives or when they
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: got introduced to music and how it was introduced to them.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: So maybe you got it from the internet, maybe not
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: my songs, but maybe you heard in the club, maybe
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: you like you know what I'm saying, heard on the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: radio or or a friend put you on. And depending
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: on how you get delivered that music, I think that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: influences greatly how you think about it and how you
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: think the world thinks about it.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: So something might be you.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Might consider something underground or like yours if you don't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: think everybody knows about it, or you might think it's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: super super popular if you see it in other spaces.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: And what's funny is I see people sometimes I don't
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: want to say romanticize, but like they think about color
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: and book or ass or wrap as being like universally
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: hailed when it dropped and just me being me, I.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Said rap was initially like some if you know you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: know shit and then it then it rolled on rolled
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: on a big.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks to mc miller taking me on tour. You know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like a lot of different things.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: At the time during that time, second most highest I've
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: ever been in my life was watching that show in Phoenix, Arizona.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: You guys are at Celebrity Theater, in the fucking stage,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: in the spinning you.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Just unlock some shift.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Bronson I apped for the first time in my life
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: was backstage. You were there, I was there with you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: It was high as a drafts private part.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Imagine me. I was like nineteen or twenty.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I was dab the fuck out and Mac had the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: band going. Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Internet used to play with Mac on that shot.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: You bring it back so many different Jesus that's always
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: lost the man.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: That's an all time great tour. Like we have to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: look back and.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Be like, yeah, what I think ascer Wrap and Coloring
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Book both came out, and when they came out, because
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I have access to my Twitter, I was watching people
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: have negative reactions to it in real time and with
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: color and Book, it was like, damn this nigga rapp
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: about Church. Obviously, over time, like everybody was like, this
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: is phenomenal. This is the best rap album of the year,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: and this is all this stuff.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: But it almost like probably your OG fans were like.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: That's what happened. He switched up, Well, I did asser rap.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: They was like, I thought we was rapping about suspension. Nigga,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: you're talking about acid an LSD, Like what type of
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: shit is dead?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: So it's always going to be like an initial reaction
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: of people. They say comparison is the thief of joy,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: and so like when.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Watching is a thief of joy too, Jesus.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: So if you have like a you know, a context
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: for what you're listening to, you can as the artist,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: you can decide like how you can textualize a project.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And I think what I was blessed enough to do
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: was like I really you know, I went for a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: long journey and I tried the best that I could
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: to keep my fans with some you know, preview er
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: taste of what it is that I make, you know,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying like and how I'm making music as
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I grow. And I think that like that helped a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: lot with how people experienced it, at least the people
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: that have been tuned in for the last few years.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Can you share a Mac Miller's story that we haven't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: heard yet because uh, you know you guys man, Max,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I feel I got him on a mural outside. You know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: he's he's an all timer to me. You know, I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: think he was a kind guy too.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: I have so many stories about Mac two that come
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: to mind immediately. One of them, I remember we were
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: at Reggie's Rock Club. I was just bringing this up before.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: This is like the like the hip hop club that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: you aspired to play at in Chicago. It's really a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: rock club, but like it's this is where like local
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: raps shows were. This is when I was still in
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: high school. Vic got a gig opening up for Mac
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: as local support at this show, and I came with
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Vic and a few of my other friends and we
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: were backstage and uh, and we were freesylen. We used
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: to just always like be beatboxing free sylent shit. And
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: we were standing on the side of the stage and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: some people came over and Toldal said we had to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: get the fuck out of there because Mac Miller was coming.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: And when Mac came up, he was like, y'all tripping
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: like they good? He damn their freestyle with us, Like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to add too much sauce to the story, right,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: But I definitely remember he stopped.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: Us from getting kicked out.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: And then and then obviously this is we're in high school,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: so I didn't really meet him meet until I went
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: on tour within. But like the other story that I
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: remember really well is, uh, one night I think it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: was me Oreo might've been my homie Danny mac and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: and I think Tree and we went to I used
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: to have this like little broken down RV like, so
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I wasn't on a tour bus when I was on
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: his shop. I had like literally a camper that didn't
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: have air conditionings that work.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Everybody just climbed in.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: We just be in that just like sitting on like
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: a shag couch, hot a seal. Like it was okay,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: awful but also probably awesome.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now even remember them.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: There, you know. But I remember one night we basically
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: took the took the bus out just like without his
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: security or anybody else, and we drove to a Wendy's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: and watched the fight happen in front of us, like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: in the car between two cars that was in front
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: of us, and we're just kind of like like I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: say in the song like we were just kids. Like literally,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: you know, out to the mixtape kids. That was very
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: formative for me, But like we were children just kind
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: of like learning a lot of lessons without our parents
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: there and becoming breadwinners and becoming men and becoming like superstars,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: but also like living it in the real now. Like
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: every day you wake up and you're in a new
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: city and you gotta do a meet and greet with
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: one hundred fans, and you gotta go to the radio station,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: and you gotta, you know, find some time to get high,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: and you gotta find some time to meet some girls,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: and you gotta find some time to like rehearse whatever,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: like freestyle that you want to add or like, you know,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: whatever it is.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Like it's just like we were.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Going and growing at the same time, and I look
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: back at that time and just I'm really proud of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: all of us as kids.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: And you know what we were dealt and how we
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: dealt with it.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Who is in your personal blog Era moult Rushmore, Mac
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Chance cool kids? You can't put yourself that's cheating.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: How's it gonna be? Mount Rushmore?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: You built the fucking mountain. You can't fucking put yourself, don't.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: You well, just being honest.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore is sacred Indian Land, so okay, okay, Mount
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Rushmore is sucked up as just like a concept.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Anyway, listen, it's.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Not we don't need we don't need the top five
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: excluding me blog Era, I gotta go cool kids, I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: gotta go Mac Miller. Do you consider cutting blog Era
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: or is he too big?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: You know what a kid named Cuddy was? Blog was
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: blog Era ten Deep Presents. Okay, okay, if I.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Could say k cutting, then I can say Big Sean, Yeah, okay,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Big Sean, and then my fifth spot I'm gonna give
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: to Whiz of course. Yeah, Cush.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: That's a hard five.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy starting five or six niggas, so like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: you can't lose.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: That's great. Uh, you know when you when when you
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: listen to this album, man, there's so many emotions that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I brought it through the project. I sonically, I feel
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: like you take this album in so many different places
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: at this very moment. What is the song that you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: like the most if you had to say, like a favorite,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure it changes on a daily basis, but
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it does change.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: A lot and once again today to.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Burn your Block records tough.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Burning your Block is so what's funny is like I've
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: been very avoidant of the internet, and like, even though
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: it's been getting great reviews, I've been trying to stay
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: out the way. But I saw a review that called
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: burning your Block just like a fun you know, saying
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: nothing song that's one of the most that's the one
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: like it starts off the versus Red Summer heads on
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: a Pike pipe down, And I don't think any context
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: know what heads on a Pike means now, but look
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: up what Red Summer was and understand what these samples are.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: So there's obviously like a lot of great music examples.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: But throughout the project you hear Richard Pryor. It's from
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: a very specific film called Watstacks, which was in the seventies.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: They organized the benefit concert after the burning and Watts,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: which happened because of race riots and not even race rise.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: That's not the right word. But what do we call it?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get too radical, but basically there
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: is an understanding this.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Is all on fire chance just let's go man.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: When the government responds to the needs of the people,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: as set forth. It's typically in response to the burning
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: of metropolitan cities throughout history. And they'll tell you that
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: the Civil Rights Acts passed because we reached the agreement,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: or it was because the whole United States was on
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: fire for about six weeks after Matin Luther King got killed.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of different times in this country
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: where the whole United States was on fire and after
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that you got legislation. And not to say the legislation
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: is the end goal or even changes anything, but just
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: saying that response comes from that and that song and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: that sample throughout the album is all from Richard Pryor
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: speaking to his people on various subjects, but on the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: backdrop of you know, coming back from our neighborhood's burning.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: And I think that song and again those samples really
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: really contextualize the album in a way that I can't
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: even say with my own words. And I'm so blessed
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: that we got to use those. The intro ends with
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: his with Richard Pryor's intra introduction to the movie, and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: he says, you know, for six or seven hours, you know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: thousands of black people. Well, the first thing he says
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: is everybody's got something to say, but not everybody is
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: heard m hm. And and that's that's what this album
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: is is like, these are my words. These are the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: words of like of great poets and literary authors and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: people before me. These are the words of people from
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: my community and communities all over the world. These are
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: the words of like the people you know, refined and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: put into a place where you have to hear it
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: now and you have to understand it now. And I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: think it'll take a little time for people to really
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: like go.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Like you said, when people listen, it's almost like the
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you know, diving into because I think on my third
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: listen I was catching shit. I was like, oh shit,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the link me in the future. Who's is that about
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: a particular person?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's in two parts, I think. And that's what's funny.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Like some of the songs, the songs are songs at
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, like they be raps, but
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: they be songs, you know what I'm saying. And so
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: sometimes I make decisions that are best for the song
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: that aren't necessarily best for the raps.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: There's a verse.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: How do I put this because I don't want to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: ruin it for anybody, but basically that first verse is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: a little bit more about you know, not wanting to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: feel unneeded or unable to find the person that you
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: love just because they come up missing all the time.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: The second verse is way deeper, and it's you know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: it's about the way that we as black folks, but
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: people period kind of tackle death as something that like,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: you know, that happens to the people that we love.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: And it's some of my best writing on the album,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: but it really examines that because one of the things
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: that I noticed that's where that song came from, or
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: at least that second verse came from, was RP.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Little Dance. One of my friends.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Passed away in the past two years, and you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: a couple years later, I was at one of my
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: friend's house for just like a random ass like late
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: night after party type thing, and I saw his obituary
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: sitting on the death and it made me feel so
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: many feelings because when I was growing up, that's something
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: that you saw old folks doing.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'm saying old folks.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Would have you know, across I remember my babysit of
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Miss Brown and lived across the street. She had her
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: whole entire grand piano had just like a line of
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: you know, obituaries from people and the way that we mourn,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: in the way that we keep people with us. It's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: just fascinating to me. And the idea of love being
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: everlasting or you know, transcending dimensions beyond life and death
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: is something that I really had to deal with with
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the passing of my auntie, with the passing of my cousin, Like,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: I lost a lot of people in the past six years.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: So you know, that shows up in different places in
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: the album, and like and and I think that that's like,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: you know, that song isn't for one specific person, but
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I think it does throughout the song at different moments.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: It's always pointing to grief. That might be the grief
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: song on the album.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. That's what I kind of got from it.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: So I didn't know if it was like a you know,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: obviously real life situation, but do you because obviously I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to get twitched in your personal life because
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: you've talked about it a lot, But we talked about
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: kind of like how you know, Kanye at a certain
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: point in time gets wrapped up as to who your
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: identity is. But I'm a married man, I have I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: have kids. I feel like the idea of being married
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: and being a husband, it also kind of becomes a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: part of your identity. But what I'm saying is like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: once that ends, right, you know, is it is it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: a hard adjustment to to to kind of just I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's being fulfilled. I don't know if
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: it's you know, do you It is.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: A hard adjustment, just like living a different life in
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: terms of like living together and not living together is crazy.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: But also I was, you know, touring not touring, but
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, traveling a lot. I was doing
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of other things that like kept me from
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: being present anyway. So I think I also think of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: like my life as cumulative, as opposed to like separated
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: and parceled out into different eras, like you know, we
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: think of our.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we do think of our lives as eras.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think of it as like each thing
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: is just a step, and I'm carrying something up this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: flight that like sometimes more things get added on, sometimes
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: I leave some things behind, but I'm still like I'm
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: going up and I'm the same person that did all
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the things that I did on each one of these
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: steps from my life. But I'm just on a different
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: stare at this moment, and so it's like my idea.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It's not like a part of my identity got taken
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: away by going from not being a husband to being
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: a husband and not being a husband. It's more like,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I've had all these different seasons of my
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: relationship with my kid's mother, right, and they're they're all
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: incredibly important, and some of them have you know, heartbreaking
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: moments or regrettable moments or.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: You know, but also some of the greatest joys in
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: my life. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Forever, it's always.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be like I'm you know, I couldn't do this
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: with anyone else. Like my life is perfect, right, Like
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for all of those things. But also this
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: is just the next step. It's not like I took
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: a step down or anything.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the rap signal from Silvan Marshall Troy Marshall Son. Uh,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: but before I let you go, are we gonna have
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: to wait six years for? Like? Are you is the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: battery in your back? Are you?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 1: I just because because you are so intentional with your music,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want you to just microwave some
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: shit and put it out. But you know, are you
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: like already kind of thinking about the next thing or
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: you living in in this moment with this album right now?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I think this album is so like heavy to me
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: in multiple ways, Like I feel like, do you notice
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: like my face is skinny? Like I put in a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: lot of like work to finish this, and also in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: the like you know, I'm really street team, like I'm
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: going to three more cities in the next two days
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: to go out the trunk with the c So it's like,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: for one, it's heavy in that I don't want to
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: just like continue to be on this cycle of you
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, I need some time with my
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: kids and relaxing.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: And but then also like.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: It's heavy in terms of like what all the things
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: that I think can be pulled out of this album,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: And so I want to do a lot with this
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: to further people's layering and understanding of it. I want
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: to do gallery shows, I want to do my writings
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: on the wall thing again, because there's so much music
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: that is star line that's not necessarily on the CD
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: that I want to you know intimately, you know, work,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like work with people to understand and to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: contextualize and to you know, to bring to life.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: And then also I also like feel like they're there's a.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: There's like a really good thing or really good like
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: quote that Miss Laura Hill said years ago was just
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: talking about like, you know, you have to you have
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: to live life to create, like you can't go.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: You have to live life to get inspired.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: You feel me so like, I gotta I gotta like
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: live more life in this in this time of like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: what's going on, And.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Like Loupe did an entire album from the perspective of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: whether or not Amy Winehouse was a battle rapper in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: an alternative universe recently.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: I can't even hear about that. That sounds so ill.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: You didn't know that. The last Loope album, it's from
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: the perspective of if Amy Winehouse was a battle rapper.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: It's it's called Samurai.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: It's sick. The last thing, the last thing that I
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: was really really heavy on was the Drogos Wave, which
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: was incredible.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: He's just I've said it.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: I've been saying it more recently because I don't think
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: people get this context for why I'm such a good,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: why I'm the best rapper is because I My first
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: mixtape I ever got was called Loop a Fiasco's uh
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah two Revenge of the.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Nerds, fucking classic. Revenge of the Nerds is my favorite loop.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I could not rap how I wrap on this album
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: if I didn't have that, and I couldn't be as
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: bold if I hadn't heard his bravado.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: He's so ahead of it. He was so ahead at
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: the time with like he has a song, Well, he
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: has an American Terrort series. I know exactly American Terrrist three.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Though three is not on any mixtape. It's pretty crazy
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: if you listen to it. It's fifteen years ago, fourteen,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: But if you listen to it, it's like it's about
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: like what's.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Going Which one is the one that's like, uh something
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: is a racist? Glynbec is a racist?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I forget. But American Terrorists starts off. He's like rapping
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: from the perspective of a veteran. Oh, like a veteran
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: who's talking to his wife, preparing her for the fact
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: that he's about to blow up a federal building. It's
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy. Dog American Terrorist three. Incredible people with a
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: little bit of loope talk to the interview. Man, look,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: the album is out. It is incredible. Man, Man, thank you.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: For get it straight from my website, Chance stuff dot com.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go buy it. I'm sure vinyls vinyls out, No
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: vinyls vinyls coming.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, do the vinyls. Man, vinyl is
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: such a like complicated thing that people don't really understand.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: They're not.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: They're also like hard to sustain because they can melt
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: and warp they have. You know, it's a long process.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I think people just want vinyls so that they seem
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: cool and be honest like, yes, well, but you're right,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. I just want to collect my vinyls.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: You know what people want to do is they want
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: to support you by buying what they feel.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Like, this is eight dollars, buy this from me.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: They rather spend one hundred and buy the splatter vinyl
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: off of you. I'm just I'm just giving.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Them it's one hundred percent facts. I want something that
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: people can.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: And then they're gonna they're gonna be like, look at
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: this art, this record.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I'm a really big Chance fan, Like
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: how often do you play this far?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: You're an independent artist. I'm not telling you how to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: run your business, sir.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: It's extremely expensive to make vinyl.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: And you'll sell them all out. Okay, you're leaving money
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: on the table.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I might do a vinyl eventually, I think.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Right now, what I'm really focused on is being able
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: to like go to somebody and say, hey, I got
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: the album.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: I got it right here. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: A bucks, and I mean the people where.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: They are get the album on the website Chance wrapper,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: chance stuff dot com.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: This is actually my stuff. I actually actually paid for these,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: get made and everything go to chance stuff dot com.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chance the Rapper, thank you many, appreciate you. We
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: did it, Yes sir, Yes, sir,