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Speaker 1: Hi everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading the
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Speaker 1: broadcast partner, Dave Lapham joins me to discuss week two
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Speaker 1: of organized team activities or OTAs for the Bengals under
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Speaker 1: new head coach Zach Taylor. By the way, is it
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Speaker 1: considered a credibility killer to sing the beginning of a
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Speaker 1: new Kids on the Block song and a football podcast?
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Speaker 1: In any case, I'll talk to lap about what he
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Speaker 1: observed at Tuesday's practice, and he'll share the names of
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Speaker 1: two newcomers to the roster that other players on the
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Speaker 1: team have been raving about without even being asked about them.
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Speaker 1: We'll get a unique perspective on the bengals number one
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Speaker 1: draft pick Jonah Williams as I talked to one of
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Speaker 1: his former high school teammates back in Fulsome, California. And
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Speaker 1: in this week's fund Fags interview, I'll talk to the
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Speaker 1: Bengals new defensive coordinator Lou and Aumo about a wide
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Speaker 1: let's get to foot ball is a bringing my broadcast
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Speaker 1: partner Dave Lapham lap Let's start with the progression from
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Speaker 1: week one of OTAs to Week two of OTAs. What
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Speaker 1: did they do a little bit differently today that they
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Speaker 1: hadn't been doing last Monday? Well, a little bit of
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Speaker 1: situational stuff today. Monday was no situational football whatsoever. Today
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Speaker 1: was a lot of red zone stuff. And I think it's,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a progression, and it's
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Speaker 1: a step by step progression, and I think overall there
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Speaker 1: is improvement, but they're not there yet. But again, when
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Speaker 1: you when you look over on the on the rehab field,
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Speaker 1: you got Pro bowlers galore, AJ Green, the perennial one,
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Speaker 1: Tyler Eifford, a Pro bowler, Joe Mixon, AFC rushing leader,
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl candidate. I mean that that's three serious components
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Speaker 1: to your offense, probably your three biggest components to your
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Speaker 1: offense potentially. Um So you know there they are down
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Speaker 1: a few weapons, and honestly, I think it's unfortunate because
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Speaker 1: getting those reps is big. This is a new offense
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Speaker 1: and there is a process to a step by step
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Speaker 1: process to it, and I thought overall, it was better
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Speaker 1: than it was last Monday. I'm not saying red zone
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Speaker 1: doesn't need a lot of improvement. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: much red zone they've done. We only see one practice
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Speaker 1: a week, but red zone when we were good in
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Speaker 1: eighty one and the eighty eight team, I was part
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Speaker 1: of red zone practices and watched red zone practices where
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Speaker 1: you know, eighty eighty five percent of the time there
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Speaker 1: were completions. I mean the ball wasn't on the ground,
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Speaker 1: whereas you know today it was more toward fifty percent
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Speaker 1: of the time and there were turnout. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to turnovers in the red zone. That happened though. Those
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Speaker 1: are the kind of things you need to avoid. So
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Speaker 1: there are miles to go before they rest. But I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you Dan standing behind them. You know, I look
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Speaker 1: at Gary Kubiak's offense that he ran with the Houston
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Speaker 1: Texans and in Denver that was inside outside zone and
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Speaker 1: then they ran play action off of that, and they
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Speaker 1: got big chunk plays off that play action. It was remarkable.
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Speaker 1: You'd watch the end zone footage and right at the
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Speaker 1: mesh point you'd stop it and say run or pass,
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Speaker 1: and you're guessing, and it's a fifty fifty proposition. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: would be a run. Sometimes you pull out out of
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Speaker 1: there and be a pass. Well, think of what the
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Speaker 1: defensive linemen are thinking. Do I need to oh, man,
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Speaker 1: what is this the worst thing that you can get?
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Speaker 1: A best thing the offense can make a defense due
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Speaker 1: And the worst thing a defense wants to have to
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Speaker 1: do is guests. And if you have defensive lineman like man,
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Speaker 1: I can't blow off the field like I want to
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Speaker 1: because they may be running the ball here. It's the
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Speaker 1: exact same look. You get a little hesitation and then
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Speaker 1: they have to restart. By the time they restart, it's
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Speaker 1: too late. The ball's out. In the National Football League,
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Speaker 1: linebackers looking is it a run? Is it a pass?
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Speaker 1: It's a run, I better get my first step downhill.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh man, it's a pass. If it's a pass,
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Speaker 1: I better get my first step in a drop step.
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Speaker 1: I'm heading down hill because I'm thinking it's a run.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they got you in between a rock or
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Speaker 1: hard place, and you know, pass rush linebacker, play safeties.
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Speaker 1: It's tough. And if they when they get it down,
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Speaker 1: they don't have it down yet. When they get it down,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be very interesting to watch it from
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Speaker 1: the end zone because the play action passes are right
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Speaker 1: off of those run plays. It's the exact same look.
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Speaker 1: It's not like just a token play action pass just
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Speaker 1: to do it from a timing or rhythm standpoint. It
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Speaker 1: is off of those play and the alignement of pulling
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Speaker 1: and all the actions going on. It's a it's an
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Speaker 1: identical snapshot photo up until the mesh point of the football.
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Speaker 1: So they are going to get a lot of chunk
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Speaker 1: plays out of this. Uh this offensive football team, and
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Speaker 1: and really a big, big reason for success in those
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Speaker 1: play actions or pressed the digitation by the quarterback having
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Speaker 1: that good play action stuff. Sam Weich was the best
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Speaker 1: at it. His hands were huge, he'd hide the football
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Speaker 1: and he was a magician. And he was a magician,
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Speaker 1: no question. And he was a magician with that football.
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Speaker 1: But all the guys he coached, Joe Montana, Kenny Anderson,
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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys were really good with play action passing.
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Speaker 1: And that's the biggest part of it is the quarterback
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Speaker 1: hard fake and a Boomer Scienson. He coach Boomer Siensen
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Speaker 1: hard fake with the play action hide the football. That's
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Speaker 1: a big key to the success. So Andy Dalton had
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Speaker 1: some good ones out there, and he's got to keep
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Speaker 1: continue to work on that because that's going to be
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Speaker 1: his best friend. I'm glad you brought that up because
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Speaker 1: I wrote down the first five plays that they ran.
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Speaker 1: First play play action bootleg to the right, two receivers
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Speaker 1: going out in that direction. Use Zama or Alex Erickson.
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Speaker 1: He passed ericson for a nice game. Second play play
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Speaker 1: action deep ball Josh Maloney was incomplete, but that was
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Speaker 1: the play. Third play play action role to the right screen,
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Speaker 1: back to the left. Fourth play play action to the right,
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Speaker 1: deep shot down the left sideline for John Ross fifth
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Speaker 1: play run up the metal, big gaping hole set up
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Speaker 1: by what we had seen from the previous four plays exactly.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes in this type of offense, you know people like, well,
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Speaker 1: the run game's going to set up play action. Play
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Speaker 1: action sets up the run two. I mean it's it's
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Speaker 1: a glove fit in the hand type of thing. It
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Speaker 1: really does. Is particularly if you can get you're in
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Speaker 1: situations where you're second and four, third and two where
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Speaker 1: you can run it or throw it. You know, you
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Speaker 1: don't want to be behind the chains if you stay
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Speaker 1: ahead of the chains offensively. Now you have the defense guessing,
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Speaker 1: big time guessing, and the quarterbacks that the Bengals have
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Speaker 1: on the roster are capable of getting out of pockets.
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Speaker 1: So not only the play action stuff will slow a
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman down. Changing the launch point slows the defensive
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Speaker 1: lineman down. You don't want to let them get outside
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Speaker 1: of your contain. You have to be, you know, real
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Speaker 1: careful to make sure that you change your course or
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Speaker 1: your path of pass rush to try to contain the
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Speaker 1: quarterback or have somebody out there containing the quarterback. Because
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Speaker 1: it gives him a two way go. You know, he
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Speaker 1: can tuck it and pick up yards running the football.
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Speaker 1: If there's no pass rush out there and coverage is good,
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Speaker 1: you can you know, not jeopardize putting the ball in danger,
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Speaker 1: tuck it and run and then slide get out of bounds,
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Speaker 1: do those kinds of things. So it's going to be interesting.
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Speaker 1: I think this. I like the concept of what they're
7:46
Speaker 1: trying to get to. They haven't gotten to it yet,
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Speaker 1: but I think when they do, and they have all
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Speaker 1: their weapons. And that's the thing too, because you know,
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Speaker 1: everybody is trying to learn it and absorb it and
7:56
Speaker 1: the only way you do it is reps. So it's
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Speaker 1: unfortunate that a Joe Mixon, you know, Tyler Eiffort, aren't
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Speaker 1: getting those reps with Andy. And that's why these guys
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Speaker 1: that don't show up at these OTAs, and it is
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Speaker 1: voluntary and they're not getting the reps with their teammates,
8:11
Speaker 1: not getting the reps with the quarterback. I think that's
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Speaker 1: that's too bad. I think I think that's a tough dynamic,
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Speaker 1: particularly if they're working with a new quarterback. These guys
8:18
Speaker 1: aren't working with a new quarterback, but they're working with
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Speaker 1: a new offense. These other guys that are signing places
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Speaker 1: and not going new quarterback, new coach, new system, knew everything.
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Speaker 1: So in this case, the new coach, new system, same quarterback,
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Speaker 1: which you want. You'd like to get those reps because
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Speaker 1: everybody is working now in the process of taking a
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Speaker 1: step one, step two, step three and assimilating that offense.
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Speaker 1: Whether it be you know, situational football, red zone, third down,
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Speaker 1: that's something they'll they'll get into third down, fourth down,
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Speaker 1: clock management. All those kind of things are going to
8:51
Speaker 1: be big. We talked a lot about the offensive line
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Speaker 1: last week, and they lined up the same way today.
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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams had left tackle, Corty Glenn left guard, Belly
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Speaker 1: Price at center, John Miller at right guard, Bobby Hart
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Speaker 1: at right tackle. Let's turn over and look at the
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Speaker 1: defensive line. That's a group that's got some really talented players.
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Speaker 1: Geno Atkins first and foremost, Carlos Dunlap, Carl Lawson assuming
9:13
Speaker 1: he comes back one hundred percent this year. And yet
9:16
Speaker 1: despite those names and again lost in has hurt last year.
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Speaker 1: It was a unit that was not dominant last year.
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Speaker 1: And to me at least, it's a group that should
9:25
Speaker 1: play better than it played. I agree with you. They've
9:27
Speaker 1: got talent to be much better than they were. And
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Speaker 1: I think lou Anna Ruma was doing a good job
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Speaker 1: of putting it together and I think I think the
9:35
Speaker 1: coaches are doing a good job of communicating his message
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Speaker 1: and they're doing it, you know, with guys that played
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Speaker 1: in the league, like in Easton. Easton is having a
9:46
Speaker 1: major impact, I think on the defensive line, and I
9:49
Speaker 1: agree with you, Dan, I think if if the Bengals
9:51
Speaker 1: get consistent play out of their offensive line, defensive line,
9:54
Speaker 1: and linebackers, they're going to be pretty good defensive line
9:58
Speaker 1: and linebackers. That's two thirds of the defense right there,
10:00
Speaker 1: and they were having issues, and then of course when
10:03
Speaker 1: they're having issues, the secondary is going to have a
10:04
Speaker 1: tremendous amount issues. I think the secondary is good enough
10:07
Speaker 1: to play at a high level if the front seven
10:09
Speaker 1: gives them an opportunity. And I think that they're doing
10:12
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of handling this offense right now
10:15
Speaker 1: as they're going through the learning curve and coverage and
10:18
Speaker 1: they're hustling their run to the football. There's very few
10:23
Speaker 1: in to my either's you know, there's always going to
10:25
Speaker 1: be assignment mistakes, but it's not a plague of assignment mistakes.
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Speaker 1: So you know that the guys are into it. They've
10:31
Speaker 1: bought in there in the right spirit and the right
10:33
Speaker 1: frame of mind. They're learning it. So I'm encouraged by it.
10:36
Speaker 1: And the thing that you can always tell Dan about
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Speaker 1: players you mentioned, you know a couple of the offensive
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Speaker 1: lineman Corty glenn and John Miller at the guard position.
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Speaker 1: Unsolicited defensive players have said, Quarty glenn Man is so big,
10:50
Speaker 1: he's going to be a tough, tough matchup at guard.
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Speaker 1: John Miller powerful, strong dude. So pads aren't on yet,
10:58
Speaker 1: but they're still the best recommendation you can get, or
11:04
Speaker 1: probably the most trustworthy evaluation is a teammate, a player
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Speaker 1: going against a guy in practice or a guy that
11:10
Speaker 1: works against him in games, and those kind of things.
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Speaker 1: The other one sample, multiple defensive players have come up
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Speaker 1: to me tight ends a football player, and when you
11:19
Speaker 1: look at sample, it's like, Okay, he's not like a
11:22
Speaker 1: world class athlete rookie mini camp, he didn't exhibit world
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Speaker 1: class athletic ability, but when he got into football, he's
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Speaker 1: a football player, and he's a football player in this
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Speaker 1: OTAs with the veteran players. He is going to make
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Speaker 1: a lot of plays. He is. I think he's I
11:39
Speaker 1: think he's fooling. I think he's faster than people think
11:42
Speaker 1: he is. I think he's got functional football speed and
11:45
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see and it was, it was. It
11:47
Speaker 1: was good to my years to hear unsolicited teammates on
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. Tight end play lap
11:54
Speaker 1: tight ends. He's got some He's got some talent. He's
11:56
Speaker 1: a football player. That's the biggest compliment you can make,
11:59
Speaker 1: because a one football played to another. You know, it's
12:03
Speaker 1: not track and field. You know it's football. And I
12:06
Speaker 1: think the kid's going to be a good player. I
12:08
Speaker 1: was not able to attend the rookie mini camp. It
12:10
Speaker 1: sounded like the quarterback they drafted in the fourth round,
12:14
Speaker 1: Ryan Finlay struggled somewhat that weekend last Monday, so so
12:21
Speaker 1: early today. He threw a bad interception where he overthrew
12:24
Speaker 1: his target and went right into the hands of Demitrius Cox.
12:27
Speaker 1: Then they got to those red zone drills and he
12:29
Speaker 1: started to look better. Yeah, And I think I think
12:31
Speaker 1: with him usually, I mean, the biggest adjustment for any
12:36
Speaker 1: at any position is the quarterback position, because I mean
12:39
Speaker 1: it's it's like it's rush are you know out there?
12:43
Speaker 1: Sometimes you think he might see things. I mean they
12:46
Speaker 1: were doing some zone blitz stuff today. Defensively, early in practice,
12:49
Speaker 1: I saw Sam Hubbard dropping off, you know, into coverage
12:52
Speaker 1: instead of pass rushing. And he's athletic enough, as we know,
12:54
Speaker 1: he played safety in high school, played linebacker in college
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Speaker 1: before he moved to defensive linemens, So he's athletic enough
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Speaker 1: to do those kind of things. And you know, you
13:03
Speaker 1: see it some in college, but you just don't see
13:05
Speaker 1: it as much as as big a variation of scheme
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Speaker 1: as you might see in the NFL. With the talented
13:11
Speaker 1: With the talent level of player that you see in
13:13
Speaker 1: the NFL, you'll hear rookie players say it all the time.
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Speaker 1: You know, I might have played against three guys last year.
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Speaker 1: They're as good as these guys at this level. And
13:22
Speaker 1: this is every day, this is every day of practice,
13:24
Speaker 1: every game. You know you're gonna be tested both mentally
13:27
Speaker 1: and physically. And Ryan Finley's in that boat for sure.
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, one of their first plays of
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Speaker 1: the day was a deep ball down the left sideline
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Speaker 1: for John Ross, he caught at least one touchdown pass
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Speaker 1: and the red zone drills they gave it to him
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Speaker 1: on a reverse. Do you see his confidence growing? Can
13:43
Speaker 1: you tell that from watching him in OTAs? I do
13:46
Speaker 1: see it growing. And Andy is definitely they weren't on
13:52
Speaker 1: the same page and early in the red zone drills
13:55
Speaker 1: and the ball was incomplete when it shouldn't have been.
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Speaker 1: And Andy immediately went over to John Ross to make
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Speaker 1: sure or that, UM tell him what he saw and
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Speaker 1: what he thought he should have done and explain it
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Speaker 1: to John. So John, they you know, they do get
14:08
Speaker 1: on the same page. Um. Yeah, I think I think
14:11
Speaker 1: They're going to try to uh incorporate John Ross's skill
14:15
Speaker 1: set into this offense. I mean he's he's just what
14:18
Speaker 1: the doctor ordered in terms of if you, you know,
14:20
Speaker 1: put into a computer some some talent, some physical abilities
14:24
Speaker 1: that you'd like to have at the receiver position in
14:26
Speaker 1: this type of scheme. John Ross fits that bill. I mean,
14:28
Speaker 1: when that guy goes in motion for a jet sweep,
14:31
Speaker 1: you have to honor it. But if you give him
14:33
Speaker 1: the football and you're you're lagging behind, you know, your
14:35
Speaker 1: your guests, and he can he can scorch you. Um,
14:38
Speaker 1: and you can you can run routes off of that
14:40
Speaker 1: jet sweep fake Jeff sweep action as well. And I
14:43
Speaker 1: mean he's definitely got got talent, but I think he's
14:46
Speaker 1: still thinking too much. Uh. Tyler Boyd has said that.
14:51
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd went on record saying that, you know, John
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Speaker 1: Ross is still uh, instead of you know, fluidly reacting
14:57
Speaker 1: to coverages, he's stinking a little bit too much. That
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Speaker 1: indicates that four to two speed, you know, when you're thinking,
15:02
Speaker 1: when you're unsure an athlete, it's not confident, affects the
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Speaker 1: functional football speed. And I think he's still fighting through
15:09
Speaker 1: that phase of it. But he I think they're looking
15:12
Speaker 1: to him to make a lot of big place for
15:14
Speaker 1: this football team this season. It's late May. This is
15:17
Speaker 1: week two of the OTAs. They have three weeks of
15:20
Speaker 1: these OTAs a total of ten practices. What were you
15:23
Speaker 1: doing in late May in your playing career. Yeah, we
15:27
Speaker 1: only had one one mandatory you know, camp was right
15:31
Speaker 1: after draft, rookies and veterans would get together. The rookies
15:35
Speaker 1: would have like an orientation day and then get together
15:38
Speaker 1: with the with the veterans for a mini camp. And really,
15:43
Speaker 1: I mean my entire career. I had an offseason job.
15:47
Speaker 1: You know, it was my first three years salary twenty
15:50
Speaker 1: six thousand and twenty nine thousand and thirty three thousand.
15:52
Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, a gold mine. But but and
15:55
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something. You know, I was married
15:57
Speaker 1: and already had kids, so you know, I wanted to
15:59
Speaker 1: do something to prepare myself for life after football, not
16:03
Speaker 1: knowing when that life was going to start. One was
16:05
Speaker 1: gonna end and one was going to start. So every
16:07
Speaker 1: off season I had a job to at least eliminate
16:11
Speaker 1: vocations or to see if I was, you know, choosing
16:13
Speaker 1: the right path. Maybe to make sure that when I
16:16
Speaker 1: was done playing football that I'd be in the right arena.
16:18
Speaker 1: So had offseason jobs. And then would you know, make
16:21
Speaker 1: sure that at lunchtime I was doing my workouts. If
16:24
Speaker 1: I took a two hour lunch or an hour and
16:26
Speaker 1: a half or something to make up to have a
16:29
Speaker 1: strong workout down in Spinny Field, I'd either come in
16:31
Speaker 1: earlier stay late, you know, just on the off season job.
16:35
Speaker 1: So did a bunch of different things. Worked in public
16:38
Speaker 1: relations at the Savings and Loan. I worked with Bob
16:41
Speaker 1: Johnson and Imperiallydhess when he bought that selling that you know,
16:47
Speaker 1: substitute top one year, did a whole bunch of different
16:49
Speaker 1: things and eliminated some vocations pretty quickly. What was the
16:53
Speaker 1: worst off season gig and you're playing days, I'd have
16:57
Speaker 1: to say substitute teaching, because you know, it's like when
17:01
Speaker 1: when the when the teacher's out, let's take advantage of
17:04
Speaker 1: the situation. You know, it's like you're a babysitter, you know. Yeah,
17:08
Speaker 1: but I and I would try to lay the law
17:10
Speaker 1: down a little bit. And I mean the other teachers
17:12
Speaker 1: are like, oh no, yeah, it's great, you're doing a
17:14
Speaker 1: great job. But I always felt like, you know, I
17:16
Speaker 1: try to follow along with the teacher's lesson planning. You know,
17:19
Speaker 1: I didn't want the kids to fall behind her if
17:21
Speaker 1: I had the same class for three days and um,
17:25
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But at my respect
17:29
Speaker 1: level for the teaching profession dramatically increased. I didn't really
17:33
Speaker 1: have behavioral problems or anything in the class. I think
17:36
Speaker 1: probably because they you know, I don't want to mess
17:38
Speaker 1: around with this uh, with this guy potentially, But I
17:41
Speaker 1: did have one in excuse me, one instance that though
17:44
Speaker 1: at a vocational school. Um and uh, the principle. I
17:50
Speaker 1: go into the school and he goes, you've got the pit.
17:53
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I know what the pit is. It's
17:56
Speaker 1: where when kids get kicked out of class, they had
17:58
Speaker 1: to go signing at the pit and find something to do.
18:02
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what you want me to do? All
18:03
Speaker 1: that I can make a better contribution than that. No, No,
18:05
Speaker 1: you're perfect for the pit. And so two periods go by,
18:09
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there reading books and I'm stealing money.
18:13
Speaker 1: Third period, this kid shows up, big kid, and I
18:16
Speaker 1: slid a piece of paper. I said, put your name,
18:19
Speaker 1: clash you get kicked out of and reason and sit
18:21
Speaker 1: down and open a book and find something to do.
18:23
Speaker 1: F you drops it off. So I'm like, maybe you
18:25
Speaker 1: didn't hear me. So I get up from my seat
18:27
Speaker 1: and slide the thing over again. And I am walking
18:30
Speaker 1: around the table and the last thing the principal said
18:33
Speaker 1: to me is don't touch any of the kids. I'm
18:35
Speaker 1: not going to touch any of these kids. You know
18:36
Speaker 1: there's no way I wouldn't. Do you think I'm stupid.
18:39
Speaker 1: Kid swings at me and I stepped back and I
18:42
Speaker 1: drill him, drop him. I hit him right in the
18:43
Speaker 1: chest with my fist goes up under his chest and
18:46
Speaker 1: his solar plexus. I hear all the air come out
18:48
Speaker 1: of him. He goes down to his knees. He's like yeah.
18:52
Speaker 1: He gets up and sits down and signs in. I
18:55
Speaker 1: didn't hear a thing, not a peep out of him,
18:58
Speaker 1: So then you know, I at the end of the day,
19:00
Speaker 1: there were two or three other kids signed at the
19:01
Speaker 1: end of the day that the Prince was like, any
19:03
Speaker 1: promise that first name right there? He was what happened
19:06
Speaker 1: as well, I'm gonna be honest with you. I had
19:08
Speaker 1: to drop He goes, drop him. What do you mean
19:09
Speaker 1: drop him? That's what he took a swing at me,
19:12
Speaker 1: And I responded, you know, self defense, and he goes, really,
19:16
Speaker 1: he goes, that's your story. I said, yeah, that is
19:18
Speaker 1: my story. It's the truth. So but I never the
19:21
Speaker 1: principal never heard anything from him. I never did. I
19:23
Speaker 1: went home, and of course Lynn wasn't happy you did.
19:25
Speaker 1: What He's gonna own us, But I think I think
19:30
Speaker 1: it was the first time it was ever really maybe
19:32
Speaker 1: discipline in his life. I don't know him a favorite. Yeah,
19:34
Speaker 1: when he sat down, hushed up, and I never heard
19:37
Speaker 1: a peep out him the rest of the time, but
19:38
Speaker 1: the whole time and thinking, oh man, do I say
19:41
Speaker 1: something this kid or just let it ride out decided
19:42
Speaker 1: to just let it ride. Why decision? Yeah for sure.
19:46
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I never had a
19:49
Speaker 1: substitute teacher that resembled Dave Lapham. We've learned quite a
19:53
Speaker 1: bit about Jonah Williams since the Bengal selected him with
19:56
Speaker 1: the eleventh overall pick in this year's draft, but on
19:59
Speaker 1: this episode of the pod, you're about to get a
20:02
Speaker 1: unique perspective on the twenty one year old offensive linemen.
20:06
Speaker 1: One of his teammates at Fulsome High School in northern
20:09
Speaker 1: California is now the starting tight end for the University
20:12
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati Bearcats, Josiah Deguara. I spoke to Josiah over
20:17
Speaker 1: the phone and we started with his first memories of
20:20
Speaker 1: meeting Jonah after the Williams family moved to California from Georgia.
20:26
Speaker 1: I mean, first thing you think when you see him
20:28
Speaker 1: is this is a freaking nature. I mean he was.
20:31
Speaker 1: I mean he does. He doesn't look like he didn't
20:33
Speaker 1: look like he does now, I mean he was still
20:36
Speaker 1: he saw to be development he was, you know, six
20:38
Speaker 1: to five six six, just a massive, massive dude for
20:42
Speaker 1: only being sixteen years old. And that's on. And I've
20:44
Speaker 1: read some stories in your hometown paper about him at practice,
20:48
Speaker 1: you know, just destroying guys stuff like that. What do
20:52
Speaker 1: you remember whoever lined up against them? They weren't They
20:56
Speaker 1: weren't very happy at that point. He was until by
20:59
Speaker 1: a senior high head that he just demolished anybody that
21:03
Speaker 1: was on his way. Um, not to obviously continued until that,
21:06
Speaker 1: so that he's just he's just a beast in every
21:09
Speaker 1: sense of the word. Describe him as a person, super
21:12
Speaker 1: humble guy. I mean, you wouldn't even know who, like,
21:15
Speaker 1: who he is or what he does besides the fact
21:17
Speaker 1: that he's just huge. You know, you would you would
21:19
Speaker 1: never know that. Um, he said three you know, two
21:22
Speaker 1: time All American. You would never know any of that.
21:24
Speaker 1: From the time he stepped on into folsom I mean
21:28
Speaker 1: he was just there to work. Um, he put his
21:30
Speaker 1: head down and grind. You know, he's quiet guy at first,
21:33
Speaker 1: but when he gets to know, super funny, awesome dude. Um.
21:37
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean first, first one in, last one
21:39
Speaker 1: out kind of guy, last one out the building. The
21:41
Speaker 1: type of dude, um just put his head down and
21:44
Speaker 1: grind him and would always stayed humble. You guys were
21:47
Speaker 1: on one of the great high school teams in California history.
21:50
Speaker 1: How important was he to the success? Oh? Huge? I
21:54
Speaker 1: mean we had a pretty dominant team um before before
21:58
Speaker 1: he got there, and then when he got there, he
22:00
Speaker 1: just took our whole offense and defense for that matter,
22:03
Speaker 1: to the next level. Whenever he got in, he just
22:06
Speaker 1: dominated the game. What's your best Jonah Williams story that
22:10
Speaker 1: you can share? Man, So my senior year, he and
22:16
Speaker 1: him tad for our for our football coach together. Um,
22:21
Speaker 1: so like an hour of the day, we'd always be together. Um.
22:24
Speaker 1: This is when he was trying to like put on
22:26
Speaker 1: muscle and gain a lot of weight because he was still,
22:29
Speaker 1: um you know a little bit smaller than he wanted.
22:32
Speaker 1: And every day I just remember he had this huge
22:35
Speaker 1: bag of food. Um, it was like a freezer bag.
22:38
Speaker 1: You know, it was a huge freezer bag of food,
22:40
Speaker 1: just full with sandwiches, protein bars, um, being much anything
22:43
Speaker 1: you can imagine. Um. And out of every story of Jonah,
22:47
Speaker 1: I think that's one that I distinctively your member just
22:49
Speaker 1: end bringing that bag of fade to school every day
22:52
Speaker 1: and just eating it like it was nothing. Could Yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: he could shot down my thanks. Do you see tight
22:57
Speaker 1: end Josiah Deguara who had thirty eight catches last year,
23:01
Speaker 1: including five for touchdowns, and should be one of the
23:04
Speaker 1: top tight ends in the American Athletic Conference this season.
23:09
Speaker 1: Now time for this week's fun Facts interview as we
23:11
Speaker 1: get to know one of the newcomers on the Bengals
23:14
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Time for some fun facts for the Bengals
23:17
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Lou and A Rumo from Staaten Island, New York,
23:21
Speaker 1: one of the five boroughs of New York City, tell
23:23
Speaker 1: us a little bit about growing up on Staaten Island,
23:26
Speaker 1: just a short ferry ride from the Big Apple. It
23:28
Speaker 1: was great. I wouldn't want to grow up in any
23:30
Speaker 1: other place in the country. Obviously I'm biased, but I
23:35
Speaker 1: have perfected the art of eating pizza. I can eat
23:39
Speaker 1: pizza every day. I mean, it's kind of like when
23:42
Speaker 1: I went to coach at Harvard up in Massachusetts, as
23:44
Speaker 1: a Dunkin Donuts on every corner every two hundred yards.
23:47
Speaker 1: It feels like well in Stunt Island, as a pizza
23:49
Speaker 1: reay every block or so and you get to try
23:52
Speaker 1: it every day. So it is a great place, great people.
23:56
Speaker 1: I love going back to visit. It's a terrific place.
23:59
Speaker 1: And it's a New Yorker. I'm guessing you must fold
24:02
Speaker 1: your pizza. Yeah, there's no other way to eat it.
24:06
Speaker 1: What's your folks do for a living? So my mom
24:08
Speaker 1: was a secretary at Wagner College for forever thirty plus years.
24:13
Speaker 1: My dad was a elementary school principal New York City
24:18
Speaker 1: public school system for for a long long time. So
24:22
Speaker 1: he coached um JV basketball when I was young, So
24:26
Speaker 1: I got kind of the coaching. Uh I guess bug
24:29
Speaker 1: back then. But but yeah, so high school coach and administrator.
24:35
Speaker 1: He was a college athlete, correct, Yeah, my dad was
24:37
Speaker 1: a good basketball player. Played at Wagner College, the Division
24:40
Speaker 1: one back then. Played uh really really good competition back
24:44
Speaker 1: then with NYU and those teams being great, and uh
24:47
Speaker 1: he was a point guard and um, you know, he
24:49
Speaker 1: could shoot it. He still he still beats me and
24:52
Speaker 1: my sons every time we played twenty one or something.
24:54
Speaker 1: He could still shoot the rock. So that could mean
24:57
Speaker 1: you're not very good. Yeah, yeah, I could shoot a little,
25:00
Speaker 1: but he shoots it better. We're doing fun Facts with
25:03
Speaker 1: lou Anna Rumo. So you mentioned that your mom worked
25:05
Speaker 1: at Wagner, your dad played sports at Wagner, and you
25:08
Speaker 1: went to Wagner. Describe your college football experience. Mine was
25:12
Speaker 1: shortened brief for me as a as a player, you know,
25:16
Speaker 1: once I got there, played just that first semester or
25:20
Speaker 1: half of the semester or whatever it wasn't remember, but
25:23
Speaker 1: then got quickly into coaching, and you know, I found
25:26
Speaker 1: out that the playing part stopped for me basically in
25:31
Speaker 1: high school and then just moved on to coaching right away.
25:34
Speaker 1: And I jumped right in and at my old high school,
25:37
Speaker 1: and I was able to go school during the day
25:38
Speaker 1: and go help those guys out in the afternoon. You
25:40
Speaker 1: were the JV head coach as a college student, correct,
25:44
Speaker 1: I was, So, I think there was about six months
25:46
Speaker 1: difference between There wasn't a whole lot of difference between
25:50
Speaker 1: me and the and the guys, but we had fun
25:52
Speaker 1: and won some games, and I really really figured out
25:56
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do kind of early in my
26:00
Speaker 1: life that this was something that you know, I really
26:04
Speaker 1: got the bug for then. So I was I was
26:06
Speaker 1: all in, do you know why what it is? About
26:08
Speaker 1: the profession that captivated you from such an early age.
26:10
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just you know, you're I think
26:12
Speaker 1: it's like the players now when you talk to them
26:14
Speaker 1: about potentially retiring or getting away from the game, you
26:17
Speaker 1: just meet, you miss being around the guy. So I
26:20
Speaker 1: wasn't playing anymore. I still love the game. It was
26:23
Speaker 1: just the detail of trying to figure out an opponent
26:26
Speaker 1: and then you know, implement it with the players. And
26:31
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just liked it right away and
26:33
Speaker 1: kind of haven't stopped since we're doing fun facts with
26:35
Speaker 1: lou Anna Rumo. Like all coaches, you've made several stops
26:38
Speaker 1: on your journey to the NFL. And you mentioned you
26:40
Speaker 1: spent time at Harvard. Five years at Harvard. In fact,
26:44
Speaker 1: is coaching at Harvard different from anywhere else you've ever coached,
26:48
Speaker 1: just because of the caliber of students. Well, some of
26:51
Speaker 1: those guys, if you'd ask them, and I'm friends with
26:54
Speaker 1: most of them today. But sometimes the book smart doesn't
26:59
Speaker 1: apply to the football field, and I would I would
27:02
Speaker 1: make numerous references to that in a very colorful way
27:05
Speaker 1: back when I was a youngster. And uh, but no,
27:09
Speaker 1: they're great guys, you know, and and some of them
27:11
Speaker 1: are doing you know, as you can imagine doing so
27:14
Speaker 1: well these days. But uh, you know, I would say
27:17
Speaker 1: all the time in the meeting room and say, hey,
27:18
Speaker 1: this isn't rocket science, and like one of the one
27:20
Speaker 1: of the guys raised his hand said, yeah, coach, I
27:22
Speaker 1: am in rocket science. And it's not. Okay, Well then
27:25
Speaker 1: do it right, you know. So it's it's funny, but no,
27:28
Speaker 1: it was great, great experience. Would we recognize the name
27:31
Speaker 1: of anybody you coached who has become a CEO or
27:34
Speaker 1: a politician or anything like that. I there's probably not
27:38
Speaker 1: that in that realm. But there's there's been a handful
27:41
Speaker 1: of pro football players. Matt Burke the center for the
27:44
Speaker 1: Ravens all those years, and uh, you know, Isaiah Kazvinski
27:48
Speaker 1: played tight end and obviously fits I just missed him. Um,
27:53
Speaker 1: but there's been a few players. And then the guys
27:55
Speaker 1: that are CEOs and that nobody off the top of
27:58
Speaker 1: my head that uh, but they're out there. I just
28:01
Speaker 1: don't know which ones they're running right now. Eventually, I'm
28:03
Speaker 1: sure we'll recognize some of the guys you coached. Your
28:06
Speaker 1: longest college stop was eight years at Purdue, so you've
28:09
Speaker 1: got an extended taste of life in the Midwest. What
28:11
Speaker 1: did you think? Oh, I loved it. You know, it
28:13
Speaker 1: was funny. We you know, my first time away from
28:18
Speaker 1: the East Coast, and you know, my family sees that
28:22
Speaker 1: as home. Today. You talk to my kids, you know,
28:25
Speaker 1: we want to go back to Indiana. You know, we
28:27
Speaker 1: want to go see our friends. And so it's great.
28:30
Speaker 1: I mean, the people are terrific, and um, it's just
28:32
Speaker 1: it's just different, totally different from the from the from
28:35
Speaker 1: the Northeast. And I realized I was back when I
28:38
Speaker 1: made my journey from here in Cincinnati to Columbus on
28:42
Speaker 1: a pro day a couple months ago, whenever the heck
28:45
Speaker 1: it was and I saw corn fields on my left
28:48
Speaker 1: and corn fields on my right, I knew exactly where
28:50
Speaker 1: I was. Your first NFL job was with the Miami Dolphins.
28:54
Speaker 1: Can you describe what it was like to get that offer?
28:57
Speaker 1: After you've been uh j V high school head coach,
29:00
Speaker 1: now you got the opportunity to coach at the highest level. Yeah,
29:04
Speaker 1: I mean I spent my time. I feel like I
29:07
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I came up the right
29:08
Speaker 1: way because I coached at every level. I coached in
29:10
Speaker 1: high school. I coached at Division three, I coached one
29:13
Speaker 1: Double A, and I coached major college football and then
29:17
Speaker 1: to the NFL. So you kind of learn. You learn
29:20
Speaker 1: more what not to do than what to do, and
29:23
Speaker 1: through your experiences of hey, I've already seen this work
29:26
Speaker 1: or that not work. And to me, I would take
29:31
Speaker 1: no other path than the one I did because at
29:34
Speaker 1: the end of the days is about teaching and coaching
29:36
Speaker 1: the guys, and you learn you got to implement. I
29:39
Speaker 1: was at Marshall, I was at Harvard and two different
29:42
Speaker 1: type kids, you know, I was at like I said,
29:44
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Perdue, and you just learn how to teach.
29:48
Speaker 1: Everybody's different and you you find what reaches each individual player.
29:53
Speaker 1: Or visiting the lou Anna Rumo on the Dolphins staff,
29:56
Speaker 1: you got to know Zach Taylor. What were your initial
29:58
Speaker 1: impressions of him? Great? You know, Zach and I would
30:01
Speaker 1: get together all the time, you know, just about Hey,
30:04
Speaker 1: what's this offense trying to run here? And I would
30:06
Speaker 1: go down to his office and asked him about particular routes.
30:09
Speaker 1: He would do the same with me on defense and hey,
30:12
Speaker 1: what's the defense trying to accomplish here? And so we
30:15
Speaker 1: kind of hit it off right away and been kind
30:18
Speaker 1: of friends ever since. You were with the Dolphins. When
30:20
Speaker 1: the team was featured on Hard Knocks, did you have
30:23
Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks moment? I think I did. It wasn't
30:28
Speaker 1: too bad. Those guys are great. The NFL film guys
30:30
Speaker 1: are tremendous. You don't even know they're there half the time,
30:32
Speaker 1: but there are cameras and microphones everywhere, so you got
30:35
Speaker 1: to be conscious. But you know, I didn't have anything
30:39
Speaker 1: too bad. No, let me let me rephrase that. I
30:41
Speaker 1: really didn't. I really didn't have to rethink in it. No,
30:44
Speaker 1: you spent last year coaching with the New York Giants.
30:47
Speaker 1: Was it surreal to go to work every day so
30:49
Speaker 1: close to where you grew up? And I was a
30:51
Speaker 1: Giant fan growing up, So it was the first time
30:55
Speaker 1: I got there, and you know, I went to visit
30:58
Speaker 1: and walk by the trophies and and LT's jersey and
31:02
Speaker 1: Phil said, all those guys. When I was a kid,
31:05
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was my team, and so yeah,
31:08
Speaker 1: I was great. And then on Saturdays a lot of
31:10
Speaker 1: the alumni would come by and I'd be I know him,
31:13
Speaker 1: I know him, I know him, and um, it's just
31:16
Speaker 1: such a great, great organization and great place, um, you know,
31:20
Speaker 1: and it was it was unbelievable to be there. All right,
31:24
Speaker 1: A few random things to wrap this up. Your happiest
31:27
Speaker 1: moment as a sports fan was anytime the Yankees beat
31:32
Speaker 1: the Red Sox. Um that um, I would have to say,
31:41
Speaker 1: I don't remember. The ending wasn't great, But this time
31:45
Speaker 1: of the year was a spring of like, uh, I
31:48
Speaker 1: don't remember late eighties or early nineties when the Rangers
31:51
Speaker 1: were in the Stanley Cup and the Knicks were in
31:53
Speaker 1: the NBA finals. Um, and it was when the OJ
31:56
Speaker 1: thing happened. So whatever spring that was, what every year
32:00
Speaker 1: that was, I don't remember off the top of my head.
32:02
Speaker 1: There was like three or four Game sevens throughout that run.
32:05
Speaker 1: So every night we would go home or after this
32:07
Speaker 1: whenever the heck it was, we would get together with
32:10
Speaker 1: the guys and we were watching like the most meaningful
32:12
Speaker 1: games that you've you know, when is that ever gonna
32:15
Speaker 1: happen again? Two of your favorite teams are going to
32:18
Speaker 1: Game sevens and you're battle and it was unbelievable. I
32:21
Speaker 1: still remember vividly. I was leaving King's Point, where I
32:25
Speaker 1: was working. I was driving home on the Bell Parkway
32:28
Speaker 1: in traffic, of course, and Mike and the Mad Dog
32:31
Speaker 1: were on the radio and the Knicks were down four
32:35
Speaker 1: to two. Excuse me, they couldn't have been four to two.
32:38
Speaker 1: I think they were down three two to the Pacers
32:41
Speaker 1: and they were playing in Indy and all of them said,
32:44
Speaker 1: this is it. You know, there's no way the Knicks
32:46
Speaker 1: are going to pull it off. And they came back
32:49
Speaker 1: and won both games and went on to the finals.
32:50
Speaker 1: So it was just it was unbelievable. I love it.
32:53
Speaker 1: Your all time favorite athlete in any sport is I
32:57
Speaker 1: would probably say Derek Jeter, just because of who he
33:02
Speaker 1: is and what he's done in his career and unscathed
33:07
Speaker 1: through the media for twenty years, and it's it's almost
33:11
Speaker 1: impossible what he accomplished in all of his achievements, and
33:15
Speaker 1: both on and off the field. He also dated nothing
33:17
Speaker 1: but tens, which is I consider his greatest achievement. Last
33:21
Speaker 1: fun fact, last fun fact for lou Anna Rumo, of
33:25
Speaker 1: all the tourist attractions in New York City, which one
33:29
Speaker 1: is your favorite? I think, unfortunately, I think the one
33:34
Speaker 1: that everybody needs to go see is the nine to
33:36
Speaker 1: eleven Memorial I lost a few friends and buddies that
33:40
Speaker 1: were firefighters that day, And not that it's my favorite.
33:44
Speaker 1: It's just as I would say the pizza places is
33:47
Speaker 1: my favorite. But that's something that everybody, if they ever
33:50
Speaker 1: go to New York, they need to take the time
33:51
Speaker 1: and go do it because it really gives you an
33:53
Speaker 1: understanding of what happened and those poor people that died
33:57
Speaker 1: that day. It kind of shakes you up. And can
34:00
Speaker 1: you actually go through the museum. You can hear the
34:03
Speaker 1: terrorists voice. They have it on the voice recorder saying,
34:07
Speaker 1: you know, blump whatever they said. But it gets you,
34:10
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would advise everybody to do that. The
34:12
Speaker 1: Bengals went as a team a few years ago before
34:14
Speaker 1: they played the Jets, which is really cool. It's very
34:17
Speaker 1: to me, one of the most. Like I said, it'll
34:19
Speaker 1: bring you, you know, to realize how lucky we are.
34:22
Speaker 1: You've got a meeting. I appreciate your time. Look forward
34:25
Speaker 1: to watching your defense play this year. Same here. Thanks
34:28
Speaker 1: very much, appreciate it. And that's going to do it
34:30
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