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142. Freedom In Finding A Church - Part 3 - Church Discipline · 4-Freedom Podcast

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I do not mean to be mean. I do mean to be mad.
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Those that criticize this kind of preaching, they don't like
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authority. If you ain't got the King James,
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you ain't got. Hey.
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If you don't have a King James, you don't have a Bible.
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And he'd be surprised. Son, don't go to sleep while I'm
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talking. Hey, hey, hey.
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Don't, don't. Don't you lay your head back.
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I'm. I'm important.
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I'm somebody. I love you.
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You know I love you. Have I convinced you I love you?
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Yeah. You better.
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You better nod your head Yes. Sorry.
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Come on, pull it out there. All right?
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You stay awake and you listen to me.
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I still believe if you're cold in hell.
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You bragging my family for a moment.
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I'm a preacher. When you got dressed today, you
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dressed deity. This is the Four Freedom
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Podcast, a podcast that is part of the RFP Network that seeks to
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bring freedom in Christ from the spiritual abuse of legalism.
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And so fundamentalism is designed to unpack the idea of
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authority from Scripture. The problem with that is that
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that's not the defining principle in Scripture.
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It is a part of Scripture. But the defining principle in
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Scripture is love. I found my freedom in you.
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I found a joy. I can't.
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Lose and thank God it's true. You wrapped your arms around me
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and heaven broke through. From the moment she found me, I
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found my freedom in it. Welcome to the Four Freedom
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Podcast. This podcast exists to bring the
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freedom of the gospel for everyday Christians with
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everyday issues. Now here are your hosts, James
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Seyfried and Brett Morgan. Welcome back to the Four Freedom
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Podcast. Thank you for being with us this
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episode. We are coming to you today and
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we just got back from Nicaragua and I'll tell you we had a great
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time there with James and Lee and our different churches come
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together. 2 churches that had never met each other.
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Me, Lee and James were the only three in our group of nine that
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had talked before. And you know, we've seen each
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other on a Zoom meeting. But these two churches come
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together and we just became best friends and we had a great week
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in Nicaragua. You know, it's funny that you
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know all, you know, people come to Nicaragua and they smuggle
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out prescription drugs and here the Baptists are over here we're
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smuggling out coffee and the best chocolate in the world.
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I mean, we're talking this is Primo, Primo chocolate stuff.
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Maybe you can address that here in a minute, James.
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But as far as a coffee goes, the coffee is some good stuff.
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We were trying to save some for Christmas gifts, but it smelt so
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good in the cabinet that I told Emily, you know what, let's go
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ahead and crack one of these bad boys open.
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But I am thankful to be home. We had a great week and I'm
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looking to report. We've got homecoming coming up
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this coming Sunday and then we've got a revival through
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Wednesday. So I'm not going to report about
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our mission trip until the 29th at my church.
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James, when are you going to report to your church about the
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mission trip? We are scheduled to give a
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report to the church this coming Sunday, the 22nd.
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Our team is going to talk about the trip.
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I've got a video lined up to show them and then we'll give a
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little message on missions if time allows and what that looks
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like. But excited about being able to
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present that. As you were Speaking of
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chocolate, I was telling Brett before we got on.
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I am a dark chocolate kaholic. I love chocolate.
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I love any forms of chocolate and we came across this coffee
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shop that had and, and Lee said this is some of the best dark
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chocolate you ever eat. So I went on and I was like,
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what? I already got my coffee.
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I already bought my coffee for the road and everybody else was
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coming back and they have these chocolate bars and he was like,
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it's so good. Don't eat it until like if you
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eat it at night time, you're going to be jacked and not going
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to sleep Like it's that good. And so I'm I'm waiting, I'm
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finally, I'm like, OK, I'm going to go buy 2 bars of chocolate.
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I bought a 60% dark chocolate and 80% dark chocolate.
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I got home, I cracked open the 60% I had one little once one
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inch by 1 inch, not even that big, half inch by half inch cube
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off of it. I ate it Brett and I almost
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threw up. It was that bad.
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Like it. I don't know if it didn't have
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the sugar in it, if it was just chocolate.
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You know, when we eat chocolate, it's got sugar and milk and it's
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all cremied up together and maybe it's meant for baking, but
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I, I could not stomach it. Dude, it was so bad coffee out
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of this world. But the, the, the chocolate for
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some reason at that place. And maybe it was on there.
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Maybe it was listed in Spanish, not for do not eat cook with
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cooking chocolate. I don't know.
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But it was, it was rough to to stomach as well.
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So. That's crazy.
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I haven't tried any of it, but Emily did and she's did say it
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was gritty but but not that bad. But you know, I knew it was
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different than normal. It wasn't like Hersey's or
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something. Yeah, no, it was not Hershey's
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dark chocolate or as I showed you, a Tobron dark chocolate
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bar. We, we did have a great time,
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man. We're excited about presenting
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this week and can't wait to share with the church what
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happened and what's going on and how we can partner together and
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how we can do mission not only locally, but globally across the
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seas. And so I think that's part of
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the church. I think part of the church is
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doing things locally, doing things nationally in a, in a
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national level, but also finding a place outside of your own
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nation where you can minister and be a part and be a presence.
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And so I like that concept of having a personal person that we
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can talk with, that we can communicate with and excited
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about the opportunity for us to partner in the future overseas
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in Nicaragua, if the Lord allows, could be somewhere else.
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But right now, we're just praying through what the Lord
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has for us. Every church should have the the
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the Missions model of the Book of Acts, Jerusalem, Judea,
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Samaria, and the uttermost part of the world, your community,
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your county, your state, and then somewhere else in the
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world. Every church should have that
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model. Church shouldn't just focus on
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outside missions and ignore their back door.
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And you don't need to just focus on your back door and ignore
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outside missions. Every church needs to cover the
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full spectrum, and that's how we're going to reach the World
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with the gospel. Amen.
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That's so good, such good stuff and excited about that.
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So glad to be able to do that trip with you, Brett.
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And our church has been able to come together.
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That was the first time I've been in Nicaragua.
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It was the first time that our church and your church had ever
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been on a mission trip together or to get a mission trip period.
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But also together and just been able to serve with each other
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like that. The, the mix of, of guys and
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girls was perfect. The, the connection that we, our
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church has had together was awesome and so glad to be able
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to be down there and be able to interact with, with with Lee and
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the organization down there was great.
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And I don't think Nicaragua's seen so many genders at one
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time. And so that was probably the
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world was changed while we were down there was because of the
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gender overload hashtag, ginger overload.
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We're excited about the future, excited about man.
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Just a couple of weeks away, Brett, what we got coming up.
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Oh, couple weeks ago away we've got Ringgold, GA coming up no
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longer Fort Ogle for it, but we are going we are going to hope
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Church Catoosa in Ringgold, GA and we are looking forward to
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the RFP conference the for the sake of the Gospel Conference.
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We're looking forward to being there with the RFP family and
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network of podcasts. And if you are going to be in or
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around the Chattanooga area the first weekend of November, swing
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my Ringle Georgia, swing by Hope Church and come see us at the
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For the Sake of the Gospel Conference.
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We'd love to meet you, talk with you.
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Hopefully we'll get a chance to do some, maybe some, some
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sessions and talk with some other podcast host.
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I know in the future here we're going to do some crossover
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episodes. I'm looking forward to that.
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But I'm really looking forward to the for the sake of the
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Gospel Conference this year. I do believe it's going to be 3
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days this year. We're going to do Friday
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evening, all day Saturday and into Sunday morning.
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But we are looking forward to being there for that, what we
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got coming up after that. Well, Speaking of that, have you
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been able to listen to the newest podcast?
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I think they're part of the network.
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I'm not sure I think they are, but Brian's new podcast Text and
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Context. I followed the show but I
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haven't had a chance to listen to the episode yet.
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Well, for all of our listeners, if you haven't listened to it,
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fantastic episode, great train of thought there with Brian,
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Jason and Josh. They're going through texts of
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scriptures that have been taken out of context and putting them
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back into context, and it's going to be a great show.
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Great series going on. I enjoyed very much the very
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first episode been able to hear Jason's story, Jason Riddle and
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Josh Owen's story. I think that's his name, Josh
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Owens. And so go and listen to that.
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It's going to be a great thing. And it's it's going to be some
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good stuff. They're going to be hitting and
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I can't wait to to listen to the more of what they have.
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And but for us coming up after that, that weekend for me, Brett
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is an extremely busy weekend. We've got the RFP meet up and
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then I come back, it's homecoming Sunday for us in
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November and then the Monday and Tuesday is our Baptist State
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convention. And so I've got like four or
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five days of just bam, back-to-back to back-to-back
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stuff going on. So excited about what Lord's
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doing. But we are after that right now.
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We got off the phone with our missionary just a couple of days
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ago, Our Lady, our liaison there in Israel and still planning our
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trip in March. But that may get pushed a little
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bit with just some uproars of things.
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And so we're still excited about it.
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We still want to do the trip, but we want to be as safe as
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possible, she said. There's boots on the ground,
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people were there, people were touring the city.
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But we want to be as safe as possible as well.
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And so we're re examining some of those things may push it to
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the end of the summer or even the end of the year, but we're
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just looking at our all of our options of what we can do there.
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But we are so excited about Israel, can't wait to do it and
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go back and see the Holy lands. I know it's going to be a great
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time. James, you still use a pager,
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right? A.
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Pager don't use the pager. How did that go?
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Oh, no, no pager. OK, well, maybe that's a good.
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Thing. Oh, oh, is that the the bombing
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thing that happened? Yeah, I think I saw one thing
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about that. One thing.
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OK, Yeah. I don't know.
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Yeah, but I I watch very I listen to news all the time, but
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I don't watch news at all. I don't what I.
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Whatever, what I catch on social media is about the only news I
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get, so. So you've got an unbiased media
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source there? There you go.
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Exactly. Perfect.
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That's right, Brett. We are in our church series and
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we've talked about what is a church.
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We talked about church membership and this week we're
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talking about church discipline and what that is.
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So let's get a quick clip. I've enjoyed playing these clips
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over the last couple of weeks, a clip of church membership and
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what that sounds like in the world that we grew up in.
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To tell you what, trim that 16,000 member mega church right
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on down to a good Holy Ghost local church.
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That's 10 minutes of a real pastor having real pastoral
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authority. This regrettable.
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It happens. Sometime a man better have
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wisdom be full of God. But First Corinthians 5 is in
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your Bible, and sometimes you've got to exercise church
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discipline. Put that in your tailpipe and
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smoke it while I shut that corner, brother.
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Hey, man, Brother Brett. Well, what do you think about
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that when it comes to church discipline and what we were
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taught? Church discipline is from our
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world of view. Oh, just got to trim the 16,000.
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Got to trim it down, brother, it's too big.
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We got to trim it on down to a manageable number.
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That's right. You know, I've been going to
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church for a long time and you know, we had a conversation
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earlier about this. As far as church discipline
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goes, I have yet to see church discipline done in a biblical
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way. I've got a couple of stories
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that I could tell about how my pastor looking at the church
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just up one day just decided, you know, we've got some people
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on the church roll that don't come anymore, but shacked up.
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They're living together. So I'm going to grab a man from
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the church and I'm we're just going to ride around and tell
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them they're off the roll. And that's about the extent of
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it. Just nothing biblical about it.
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I've got friends also, I've got other friends that were dragged
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up in front of the church because, you know, they wore
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their hat wrong or they look cross eyed at somebody just for
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nothing reasons. And so I've yet to see, you
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know, church discipline done the right way.
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I know there are churches out there that do it.
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I've investigated. I've read some things about how
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you're supposed to do it, and I've studied it for myself, but
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as far as actually seeing it, especially in the independent
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Fundamental Baptist movement, I just haven't seen it done the
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right way at all. Brett I would, I would be scared
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to attend the church that someone was church disciplined
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because they looked cross eyed at someone because as many of
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our listeners know, I am cross eyed.
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I have a lazy eye. And so it would be every single
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week I would be church discipline for looking cross out
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at someone. There you go brother, you need
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to repent. I do need to repent.
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Yeah, I have. I as well have heard stories,
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but I've yet to, like you said, being a church that has
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practiced church discipline the right way.
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I've been a part of learning in this learning process.
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And I saw what we're going to go through today.
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But I did hear a story just a couple of days ago of a friend
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of mine I was talking to in Alexander County and a pastor
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friend whose dear friend of mine been at same church for 25 years
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now, celebrating his 25 year anniversary in just a couple of
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weeks. And he was telling me of how he
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was going through the old bottle, all the old minutes of
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the church. And I've got a book here of all
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the minutes of our church as well.
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And I've read through them and it's, it's interesting if your
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church keeps those minutes to go back and see how the church
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functioned 50 to 100 years ago. I mean, they're getting up and
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they're voting on spending a dollar somewhere.
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And it's like you're voting to spend a lot.
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Like, the church operated so much differently.
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But he said he was reading them back in 1950.
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A man was in the summertime, was out doing some stuff and had
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gotten drunk at local bar and was walking around town and was
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saw by some church members that he was drunk out in public.
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And he was saying some vulgar things and doing some things he
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shouldn't be doing as a church member.
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And the, the church minutes reported that they, they went to
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the man privately and addressed the sin and he was unrepented.
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And so the next business conference business meeting,
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they got up and they addressed the church and said that so and
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so has been seen drunk in public.
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And we understand drunkenness is a sin.
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And so therefore we are going to church discipline him and this
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fellowship and this commune with him so that he won't be a
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participated in Lord Supper. He's still welcome to come to
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church, but until he can be repented and restored, he won't
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be a part of our church membership.
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And he was like, dude, I've never seen this before.
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This was crazy. And so he continued reading in
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the very next month. The report was business
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conference. Brother so and so recognized
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that he had done wrong, came before the church at the
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business meeting, repented of his sin and asked the church for
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forgiveness and restoration in the church.
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And I looked at him and I said, Paul, that is something that our
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church is missing these days because that's what the church
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is there for. It's to build and edify one
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another up. And church discipline does that
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when it's done the right way. I've said several times, and
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I'll continue to say it, that I actually don't like calling it
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church discipline. I actually like calling it
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church restoration. We're going to read a passage of
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Scripture in a minute and we'll see that the point of the point
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of it is not to just discipline, to just throw someone out,
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excommunicate them. The point is redemption.
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The point is restoration. The point is to bring them back
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to God. Too many of us, we like to
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gossip and backbite and tattletale and kick people while
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they're down. But the point of the whole
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process is to bring someone back to God, is to restore them.
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And we need to keep that in mind as we go through this process
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and see what the Bible has to say about it.
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Absolutely. Well, as we get started, the
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couple of questions we want to ask you to get your mind started
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is, is God's love incompatible with God's discipline?
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Oftentimes people will say, well, God is love, and how can
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God love someone and discipline them?
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Another question is, is if God allows pain in our life, does
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that mean that God hates us? And what the Scripture we're
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going to start out with is Hebrews 12, five and seven, and
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it says this certainly not, of course this doesn't happen, but
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certain, this is not God's love. But it says, And have you
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forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as a son?
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My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor
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be weary when you are reproved by Him.
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For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and chases every son
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who he receives. It is for the discipline that
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you have to endure. God is treating you as sons.
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For what son is there in whom the Father does not discipline?
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Here God discipline is seen as an expression of His love.
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In fact, it's one of the markers that we understand that we're a
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child of God. When God disciplines, it shows
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us that we are his son and his child.
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CS Lewis once wrote and said the problem of reconciling human
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suffering with the existence of a God who loves is only
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insolutable so long as we have attached trivial meaning to the
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word love God as as we continue this thought, God's love to us
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is much simply is much to simply leave us where we are.
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That's what the gospel is reflecting.
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The gospel is saying we're not going to leave you where you
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are. We're going to bring you through
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the power of faith in the gospel to what God has called you to
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do. God's love is a holy love.
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God's love is what is best for us is not always to get to get
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our way, but you have to be aligned with His way.
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Brett, what's your thoughts on that and help us understand this
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from maybe a parenting position? Well, you know, we understand
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this and things like parenting and education and coaching.
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And yet when we come to the topic of church discipline, many
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are quick to throw out this idea as unloving, divisive,
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unnecessary. We love to talk about the idea
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of God's grace and mercy. We we like Jesus as Savior, but
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we struggle with Jesus as Lord that to follow him means to deny
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ourselves. It means to pick up our own
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cross and follow him. If we love him, we will keep his
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commandments. Now, I will say that I've gone
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to Hebrews 12 many times in the past to talk about eternal
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security. Because, you know, if we could
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sin and lose our salvation, then there would be no need for him
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to chastise us. There would be no need for him
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to discipline us because we aren't his children.
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But we are his children. And, and God does care what
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happens to us because we are the his children.
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We are adopted into his family. But people that are lost, God
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doesn't discipline them. He doesn't care what they do.
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But I, you know, I, if I don't discipline my children, it's
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because I hate my children. But I discipline them because I
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love them, because I want them to turn out right.
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I want them to grow up in God fearing Christians and I want
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them to be productive citizens. If I hated them, I'd I'd ignore
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them. But because we are our children
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of God, He does discipline us. He does chastise us.
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He doesn't throw us away. Back to our subject.
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No doubt there are real stories of church discipline being
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unnecessarily divisive and unloving.
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Rather than throwing out church discipline because of bad
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examples, we need to once again turn to the Bible to consider
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what it says. And I've seen this too, where
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church discipline is just like it's, it's taken to an extreme.
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It's very authoritarian. It's you know, we're going to,
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we're going to set you straight. You know, we're going to be mean
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to you in this process. We're going to, you know,
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scorched earth policy. We're going to make this as
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difficult as possible because we're here to punish you, and
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that's not the attitude we need to have.
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OK, So what is church discipline?
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How, you know, how many of us have seen church discipline
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before? We've talked about it already
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that, you know, we've seen this a few times done in the wrong
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way. You know, Brett, another way to
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look at that is how many of us have ever been taught anything
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while in church? Because we often think of church
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discipline as the negative. And there is an aspect to that.
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There is an aspect of the corrective side of it, of
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someone being disciplined in the corrective sense, where you go
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to someone and you work through some things we're going to talk
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about. But there's also the side of
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church discipline that we often forget that we're going to
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address. First is the formative side.
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Part of me as a parent is forming in my children how to do
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the right thing. When my child does something
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wrong, it is telling them why they did it wrong because they
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don't even understand what they've done wrong.
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Sometimes my son will do something, Brody will do
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something. And I'll say, Brody, do you
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understand why you said that or did that?
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And he'll say no, It's because someone at school said it.
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And so I thought it was fun to say.
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And I am teaching him. I am informing him to have the
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correct ideology, and I am teaching him something.
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And so in the formative sense, we're all under church
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discipline all the time because we're all learning and forming
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how we can be closer to God. And every church does this, and
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every church should be doing this in the right way.
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But not every church does the correcting in the discipline
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side of it. And so the most corrective
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discipline happens in a small scale of personal relationships.
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One friend begins to exhort another friend in love.
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Brad, I see you're doing something wrong.
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Then I come to you because we're close and we're we're doing life
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together. That's the term that people in
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church want to use. We're doing life together.
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And so I received correction in a small group setting and and
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this should be the normal and regular part of a Christian
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life. We should be going to one
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another, confessing our sins, living transparent and lovingly
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helping each other follow Christ.
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And this is important to start here because if this is not
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normal in our church culture, then taking the next step in the
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formal church discipline is going to be confusing and even
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unloving. Because if we're not loving in a
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small group and we're not correcting one another in a
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small group. And I'm not saying, hey,
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Stephen, who who's coming to church, man, you're this is
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wrong in your life. And I'm not correcting him in a
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personal level. And it's not part of normal
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church life. Then when we do this in a
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massive area where we've come before the church body as a
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whole, then it's going to look like, well, God's not love.
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This church isn't love. All they're doing is discipline
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people. But yet when we do it in the
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right way, we begin to show God's love as God is holy and
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God cannot allow this. And so this is church
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discipline. And from here on out, when we
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refer to this, we're going to be talking about the formal sense.
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So it's got to start with the personal sense.
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It's got to start in a small group first, but then we've got
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to expand this into what the formal sense of it in the church
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as a whole looks like. And so Brett, let's begin to
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transition this over to you may have something on the personal
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side of it, but transition this over to the the corporate side
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of of Matthew 18. When it comes to the fact that,
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and I've said this before, God is love, yes, God is love, but
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that the fact that God is love doesn't diminish other aspects
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of his character. Yes, God is love.
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He he's, he's all loving, but he's also all just, you know,
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and you can't just say, oh, well, God is all love, so I can
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everything is allowable. He wouldn't do that because he
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wouldn't discipline anybody because God is all loving.
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He'll accept everybody because he's all love.
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No, yes, he's all loving, but he's also all just at the same
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time and that, you know, God's love and God's justness
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intersects at the cross. So as we look into what the
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Scripture has to say to answer the question, what is church
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discipline, we have to go to the Word of God.
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So the first passage of Scripture we're going to look at
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is Matthew chapter 18. We'll begin reading in verse 15
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says if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his
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fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you've
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gained a brother, but if he does not listen, take one or two
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others along with you, that every charge may be established
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by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
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If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.
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If he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as
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a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever
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you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you
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loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Again, I say to you, if 2 of you agree on earth about anything
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they ask, it will be done for them by the Father in heaven.
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Now what I see when I read this passage of Scripture is there's
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so many people that especially pastors that are, that are
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trigger happy on church discipline is they just want to
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immediately drag somebody up in front of the church.
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And they don't want to follow the process that Jesus places in
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Scripture where Jesus says, OK, you need to go to them in
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private first. This needs to be a private
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conversation at their home or in your office.
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And then if that doesn't work well, then you need to take
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witnesses with you. You need to have another private
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conversation with a few people. We don't need to be trigger
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happy and just drag somebody up in the church because we see an
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opportunity to flex our muscles. So here we have someone who is
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in sin. He's confronted in private, but
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he refuses to repent. Then two or three witnesses come
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in the next instance, again, he refuses to repent.
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Then it's brought before the church and he still refuses to
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repent. So then he's excluded or
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excommunicated, treated as a Pagan or tax collector.
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And I also want before we read our next passage, and then I'll
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pass it back over to you. I also want to see here that
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you, he's, this person is given an opportunity to repent in
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private. So it's not like, oh, this thing
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has happened. So now we we have to bring it
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before the church. No, the scripture says if they
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don't repent, you go to the next step.
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If they don't repent, you take it to the next step.
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So the goal is repentance here. OK, so let's read.
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Let's consider First Corinthians chapter 5 verses one through 5.
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It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among
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you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans.
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For a man has his father's wife. Are you ignorant?
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Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be
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removed from among you, for though absent in body, I am
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present in spirit, and as if I've already pronounced judgment
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on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the
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name of the Lord Jesus, and my spirit is present with the power
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of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan and
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for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be
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saved in the day of the Lord. So right there we see the goal
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is the ultimate goal is not to discipline them.
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It's not to kick them out of the church.
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It's not to excommunicate them from the fellowship forever.
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It's not to throw them away and flush them down the toilet.
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The point of it is that they might be saved.
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The point of it is the restoration of them.
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We're going to skip down the verse 11.
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Read a couple more verses. But now I am writing to you not
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to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he
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is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater,
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revealer, reviler, drunkard or swindler.
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Not even to eat with such a one. For what I have to do with
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judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the
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church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside, purge
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the evil person from among you. Let me say one more thing about
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this passage before I throw it back over to you here in First
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Corinthians. The Corinthian church had
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several, several problems that Paul had received several
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letters condemning the actions of the Corinthian church.
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One of the things that the Corinthian church was doing is
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they weren't fellowshipping. They weren't having anything to
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do with lost people, with people in the community.
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They were sequestering themselves and Pauls like, look,
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that's not what I'm telling you to do.
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I'm not telling you to stay away from everybody, but what you do
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need to stay away from is you need to stay away from the
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unrepentant brother, because that is a danger.
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This is a warning to the church. James, you want to talk more
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about that? Yeah, I mean, this is this is
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where we get to the heart of the issue.
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And it really begins, you know, Paul doesn't give a lot of
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lists, but when he does give a list, I think it should be
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something that we take note of. And so we're going to take this
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list and sort of have a working definition for the rest of the
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episode. And our definition is this
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church discipline is the act of excluding someone who professes
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to be a Christian. That's where it starts.
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First, they've got to know Christ.
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If they're a Christ follower of the Holy Spirit's within them
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and is leading guided in directing them and they're going
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against the Holy Spirit. If they're a lost person,
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they're going to do lost things. And so it's someone who
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professes to be a Christian from membership in the church and to
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participate in the Lord's Supper for serious unrepentant sin.
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What are those? Serious unrepented sin?
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It says those guilty of sexual morality or greed, an idolater,
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a reviler, a drunkard or a swindler.
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He says these are the things that are the unrepented sin.
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They refuse to let go of it. And typically this is what
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people mean when they talk about Christian discipline.
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They are ex communion or excommunicating.
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They are not allowing the Lord's Supper to be done with them in
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that sense. And so as we think through that,
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we've got to begin asking ourselves, OK, these are some
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serious issues, sexual immorality, greed, idolatry,
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reviler, drunk or swindler. These are the things we need to
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aware ourselves with. And we begin to ask ourselves,
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OK, why should I even have church discipline?
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Why is this even a big deal? Why is this something that even
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should be talked about in the church?
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And I believe there's a couple of different reasons, 5 specific
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reasons from this passage that we just read to give us reason
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for church discipline. The first one I think is this,
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to expose sin. Verse 2 says this and you are
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arrogant. Ought you not rather to mourn,
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Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
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Sin grows in the dark and discipline exposes it for what
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it might be to be removed. And so we we must first expose
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sin. We must expose sin for what it
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is. Sin is destructive.
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Sin is horrendous. Christ came to abolish sin on
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the cross to pay for our sin debt because we royally messed
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it up in the garden. But not only is it to expose
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sin, it's to warn others. The church does not enact God's
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wrath towards sin, but its judgment acts as a dim pitcher
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to warn of a great judgment to come.
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Verse 5, You are delivering this man from Satan for his
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destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the
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day of the Lord. Where we're warning this person,
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we're saying, hey, this is something huge in your life.
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We're trying to help you. We're trying to cause the sin
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that's in your life to be removed.
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Not only is it to expose or to warm, but it's to save as we
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continue to own, it says to save them.
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The aim of discipline is to wake a person up to the seriousness
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of sin. How often do we see someone who
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is, you know, right now I'm, I'm helping my son with football and
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he's playing and he's out there and he's doing some things and
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he'll do a couple of things in practice.
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And I'll call him to the side and I'll say, hey, Brody, you
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don't need to do that. Why not?
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Well, because that's a penalty. If you do that, you're going to
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get called for a penalty and and you're going to cause the whole
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team to suffer. Well, this is the same thing
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that we would do in church discipline.
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Hey, what you're doing is, is wrong at sin.
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Well, why can't I do that? Well, because you're going to
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cause the whole body of Christ to suffer.
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You're going to cause pain to come upon you and on the body of
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Christ. And so it's to deliver this man
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from Satan and then it's to protect him.
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Verse 6, it continues on and it says, do you not understand that
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a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
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And so he's saying here we through doing this is protecting
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the church. God's perfect plan for for for
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the world for redemption is the church and we're protecting his
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bride. And then it's to preserve the
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church's witness. Notice again in verse one, the
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part of the shock that's in the church that it's even tolerating
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this, it says, is it actually reported that there is sexual
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immorality above you of a kind that's not even tolerated among
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pagans. I mean, Paul is literally saying
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here, listen, church, you're doing things that the wicked
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people say is wrong as well, and you're allowing this to happen.
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You're ruining your own church testimony because you're not
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disciplining those that are around them.
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The church task is to draw a clear line between the world and
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God's people and what was lost if they don't enact church
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discipline because we lose the purity of the church.
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We lose the preservation of the church when we don't enact
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church discipline. So let's think about this next
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question. What sins actually require
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church discipline? Is there a passage we can go
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through it? It lists all the different sins
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that require church discipline, but rather than make a big list
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of sins that are done, you know that we should discipline once
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you should and once you shouldn't.
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It's better to do this by drawing principles from skip
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Scripture to help guide us. After all, if we look in First
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Corinthians 5 and verse 12, it says for what business is it of
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mine to judge outsiders? Don't you judge those who are
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inside? So in the church, we have to
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make a judgement call based on evidence.
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And while God knows all things, including the motives of our
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hearts, we are limited in our perspective.
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There's only certain things that we can see as a result.
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Scripture talks about us looking at the outward fruit of
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someone's life, but even that it's not, it's not an omniscient
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viewpoint. We don't have all the facts.
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As a result, a church should discipline for sins that are
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outward, serious and unrepentant, that that's a good
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a good criteria to go by when judging these things.
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So let's talk about these three outward, OK?
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A church shouldn't discipline someone every time they suspect
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that person is proud, every time they suspect that person is
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greedy. You know, for us to judge, we
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must be able to hear. We must be able to see.
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In part, that's why Jesus calls for two or three witnesses.
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So it needs to be something outward.
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It isn't. It means that we call it public.
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It needs to be public. It needs to be seen it, you
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know, we can't just assume that something's going on.
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We have to have hard facts before we act on this thing.
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And 2nd, a second word is serious, OK?
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There needs to be a place in the life of the church where love
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covers over a multitude of sins, a multitude of transgressions.
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Now when we say that, that's not to belittle sin.
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But it's to recognize it is a part of bearing up one another
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as we, as we seek to follow Christ.
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Look, we're all going to mess up.
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We're all going to trip up. We're not perfect.
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You know, we sin every single day.
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You know, if we were brought up before the church every time we
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sin, this would be a 24247 process.
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So it needs to be a outward sin, needs to be a serious sin, and
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then finally it needs to be an unrepentant sin.
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You know, as Jesus lays out in Matthew 18, it's when a person
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who professes Christ but refuses to let go of the sin that they
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are liable for church discipline.
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OK, whether or not the person is repentant is what the church
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needs to try and determine that lies at the heart of the issue.
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So this is an instance where you go to somebody who's a member of
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the church, they profess to be a Christian.
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You say, look, you're doing this and they say, ah, there, you
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know, I'm not going to change. I don't see there's anything
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wrong with that. And so I'm not going to change.
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OK, well, that's when you that's when you bump it up to the next
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level, all the way up to the church.
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So we these sins, they need to be outward, serious and
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unrepentant. Yeah, absolutely.
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So Brett, who leads this process, who is the ones that
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should be doing this, I think? It's.
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It's the ones with the keys. Yeah, so one with the keys is
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the church, right? We we got to have the church
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leadership, the church as a whole doing this.
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And so a lot can be said, but let's summarize it with this
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basic, these basic 2 ideas. The process ultimately should
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include as few people as possible.
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I think this is where the church has got it wrong so often
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because we have these little how do we say it the the nice way in
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the Southern Baptist, the South Baptist churches.
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I have a prayer request. Prayer request.
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Your sister, I have a prayer request, dear brother.
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And all of a sudden we frame this in the form of a prayer
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request and we tell everyone we got to pray for brother so and
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so because man. And all of a sudden now everyone
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in the whole community knows. And so Jesus says in Matthew 18,
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start with one. Let's make this circle as small
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as possible. Brett, if, if I've hurt you,
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don't go to your 17 pastors in your association first.
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Come to me first. And then if I'm not repented,
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then then bring a couple of people with you.
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And he's, he's trying to say, get as small as you can keep it
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small after that. If if they're still not repented
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after you've you've addressed them twice, then it goes to the
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church. But but it's got to start small.
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It's got to start where where as few people can be dealt with as
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possible because this is involving the needs of the
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process of protecting the reputation of Christ and the
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well-being of individuals. Now now again, don't don't hear
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what we're not saying. If it's a illegal or immoral
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situation, you go to the authorities like this is not so
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and so has done something wrong with the teenage girl and you
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let them deal with it with one another.
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No, that's a, that's a serious issue and we take that straight
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to the authority. We, we don't let that happen.
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But if it's something that's as like we just said, if it's
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outward, if it's serious, if it's sexual morality, if it's
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something that's done in a, in a, in, in a sin, but not an
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illegal thing, then we deal with it in the church.
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But then we also should allow the church leaders to lead the
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process. Galatians 6/1, it says Paul says
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if anyone is called a transgression, those who are
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spiritual should restore him. I believe one of those two or
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three witnesses should be a pastor, an elder, a Deacon in
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your church that's coming alongside of you and saying,
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hey, I want to help you lead in this situation.
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I want to be there as a guiding person in this situation so that
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you're there, so that the spiritual authority that God has
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placed over you is helping you in this light or responsible to
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one another. And so the elders can play a
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role of processing some very challenging things in the life
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of the church and so bring them alongside.
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And so the the role of a church member should play ultimately
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this. We should strive to live
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transparent lives. We should speak truth into one
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another. That's where we have got to get
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back to living transparent and speaking truth in love.
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This also includes repentance and rebuking that involves in
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this. We should inform the elders of
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things that are going on. You should go to your pastor and
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say, hey, I've dealt with Brett. He's not listening.
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I don't know what else to do. How can you help me in this?
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How can you help me navigate these waters?
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Let your pastor know. Let your leadership know.
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Let your elders know. Plead with the person that's in
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sin. They have an existing
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relationship with you. If you don't know them already,
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this is the time to start a friendship with them.
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Tell them they're in sin. Be honest with them, and then
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pray for them. Even if you don't know them very
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well, pray that God will work in their lives and great repentance
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and ultimately, like we said, restoration.
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I think it is so important that you brought up the issue of
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abuse and things that are legal in this process because this is
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something that's an issue in our churches.
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And that is we have to understand that we that the
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government is an institution that is instated by God and
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there are laws. And the last thing we need to do
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is, you know, sweep sexual abuse or illegal things under the rug
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for the sake of keeping it in the church when we are legally
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bound to report these things. And hiding abuse causes so much
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trouble and so much trauma and does so much damage to the
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church. So I'm glad that you brought
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that up. Which leads us into the next
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question. How quickly should we act and
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how long should this process take?
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Does this need to be something that drags on for six weeks?
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Do we need to do this, this next coming up Sunday?
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How long should it take? And, and the answer to that
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question is how fast a church should act depends on how long
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it takes to determinate to determine the characteristic
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unrepentant. So how long does it take to to
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work that out for? Let me give you an example in
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Matthew 18. The process can take some time.
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I mean, we've got three different stages that we have.
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We got to go to them once and we got to get two or three people
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together. We got to meet, we got to go.
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And so that could take some time.
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But we look at First Corinthians 5 and it seems there's a quicker
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pace going on here. Paul's pronouncing judgment
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calling, remove the man right now.
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OK, so these two texts, they don't illustrate that the church
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has two different approaches for different sins, but more like
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it's describing the same process, but the two passages
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are dropping in at different time periods in the process.
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And so that's that's what we're seeing.
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Because look, first Corinthians 5, this is a church.
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This is a sin that all the church already knew about, OK,
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one that that they were even arrogant about.
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So the process of starting small and then adding warnings, that
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wasn't necessary in First Corinthians 5 because he was
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already public. It was already, you could
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already see the man was unrepented.
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That was clear. So Paul said, look, it's time to
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excommunicate now it's time. One other example in Scriptures
48:16
in Titus 310, Paul instructs As for a person who stirs up
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division after warning him once and then twice have nothing more
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to do with him. So the example in Matthew 3 has
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warnings. First Corinthians has no
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warnings, and here in Titus we've got 2.
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But Paul's urgency seems to reflect his concern to protect
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the rest of the church. But again that the determining
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factor in this is how long does it take to determine
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characteristic unrepentance? OK, can a pre emptive
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resignation avert discipline? I'm going to throw this to you
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because you had something to say about this.
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Yeah, so imagine someone's confronted with their sin.
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They they've done wrong, they've seen this, this area and they
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think that it's OK. They think, hey, I'm, I'm good
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with the Lord. I'm, I'm OK with this.
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This is not wrong. And so the church begins to go
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through this process and they just say, you know what, I'm
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just going to, I'm just going to leave the church.
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I'm just going to resign my membership, pull my membership
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and, and I'm just going to leave.
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So how does the church respond to this?
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The other question, I think, and, and maybe even how to find
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the answer is, as you mentioned earlier, who does Jesus give the
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authority to? The kings of the Kingdom in
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Matthew 16, In Matthew 18, the church has the keys to the
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Kingdom. And so the church is still
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responsible. The church is still in a way,
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we're going back to these points of we're trying to protect the
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body of Christ. We're trying to preserve the
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church's witness. And so in some situations it
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might be that the church gets up and says, you know, brother, so
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and so has left the church and, and we've been dealing with a
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specific sin issue. Maybe you don't go into detail.
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You don't need to go into detail, but there's been some
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sin there. And they were unrepented and
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they felt best for them to remove them.
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They're they they opted to move them, remove themselves from the
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membership. And so therefore, this is the
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church in this way, letting go of and disciplining to loose
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this person to say, hey, it's nothing that the church did
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wrong. It's what they are actively
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participating in in order for them to to to be let go in this
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membership role. And so the question we have to
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ask, and this is Brett, sort of the last sort of thing.
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We'll, we'll, we'll talk about two different things, how to
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interact with someone after they've been church disciplined
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and how do we restore someone after church discipline?
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OK, so we've talked through the process of how this works and
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how, what happens. But let's say we've got this
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place. We've, we've initiated church
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discipline. We've, we've done what First
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Corinthians says, First Corinthians 511.
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I'm writing this now to not associate with anyone that bears
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the name of his brother of guilty of sexual morality or
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greed and idolatry, reviler, drunkard or swindler, not even
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to eat with them. And so he's, he, Paul's making
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some pretty serious things. He said, I'm telling you, don't
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even associate with them, don't even fellowship with them.
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And so how do we make sense of this?
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How do we reckon this in, in our day and age?
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I don't think this means that we physically exclude the person
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from attending church. I think that excommunication
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here is barring the person from having the Lord's Supper
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together because this is intended to mark off those who
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are not repentant of sin. They're not trusting in Christ,
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but the church's gathering is an opportunity for them to sit
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under the preaching of God's Word.
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We should welcome and even encourage in most circumstances.
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Yes, still come to church. Yes, still come and listen to
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God's word been extorted and expounded and preached and
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applied to our lives because that's what they need.
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But Paul was saying to not even eat with such a 1.
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And I believe he's not saying here that we should avoid all of
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our non Christian friends. I rather would say that he is
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saying to avoid the one who bears the name of a brother.
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He's not saying if someone's lost don't eat with them.
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He's saying if someone who is a brother is living an open sin
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then we should not be identifying with them because
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it's unrepented. Love compels us not to act as if
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everything is OK and share a meal with them.
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But love compels us as a person. So is at stake that we should
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characterize the interactions with them as deliberate
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conversations about repentance. And I believe he's he's given
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warning here. He's saying, listen, they're
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they're living in a way that is not honouring to God, is not
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honouring what the word says that you identify with.
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And there has to be some radicalness in our life of
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saying, listen, I can't even associate with you in this area
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because you're not living the Christian life.
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You're not living what Christ has called us to do to be his
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light bearers in this world. And what if the question is, is
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what if I excommunicate someone? That's my church family.
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That's my my blood relative. And I don't think the words that
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Paul says here applies to that situation.
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Just as Peter and Paul would have categorized a living if an
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unbeliever spouse, a shared meal with a spouse does not have the
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same implication as a shared meal with friends.
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And so I think it's a different category altogether and we need
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to be careful with those things. But I think ultimately using
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discretion in loving and caring for them and sometimes loving
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for them in a way that doesn't seem the way the world.
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The world says accept everyone the way they are.
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Well, Jesus says repent and then you're accepted.
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And if we can't repent, then how can we have fellowship with one
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another? Amen.
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Our last question we're going to deal with today is when and how
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do do we restore someone from discipline?
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Well, just as discipline should take place when characteristic
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unrepentance can be determined, restoration should happen as
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soon as characteristic repentance can be determined.
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How long this takes will vary from situation to situation, but
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when it is determined the church should restore the person and
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forgive with no talk of of probation or second class
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citizenship. Look, when we are called to
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restore, we are called to restore fully.
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One example of this is in Second Corinthians chapter 2 verse 5
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through 11. Now if anyone has caused pain,
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he has caused it not to me, but in some measure not to put it
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too severely to all of you. For such a one that's punishment
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by majority is enough. So you should rather turn to
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forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive
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sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your
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love to him. For This is why I wrote that I
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might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything.
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Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive.
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Indeed, when I have forgiven if I have forgiven anything has
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been for your sake in the presence of Christ so that we
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would not be outwitted by Satan for we are not ignorant of his
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designs. You know verse 11's very
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instructive. There are times whether
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individually or corporately where forgiveness can be costly.
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It can be difficult, but Paul encourages forgiveness here, not
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only because you know, we've been forgiven ourselves because,
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but also because he doesn't want to be outwitted by Satan with
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unforgiveness, bitterness and anger and division.
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All of those things are soon to follow after that.
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All right, I hope that this has been helpful and I hope that
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being careful in our church membership and how we practice
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church discipline will help us drastically.
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We not only tell the truth to each other about our standing
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for God, but we also tell the truth.
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I think this is the most important thing, Brett, for us
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to take away from church discipline is we show the truth
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of God's love and God's mercy and God's forgiveness and God's
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grace to the watching world. When someone's done wrong and we
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welcome them back in with open arms and we love them and we
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care for them and we forget and we move on, man, that that is so
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powerful to the world because how often does the world hold on
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to these grudges? And we just by through
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repentance and through forgiveness, because we've been
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forgiven much and so we also should forgive much as well.
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We are opening up the door for the world to see a loving,
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caring God in a way that only He can show His love and.
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I'd also like to say closing out when it comes to this area of
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church discipline, church restoration, whatever you want
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to call it, it is so imperative that we don't fly off the handle
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and, and, and try to take this up on our own in this area.
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It is so important we go to the Bible and I would suggest every
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time this comes up, don't think you know what to do, Turn to
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these passages of scriptures, Open up the Bible, read Matthew
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18 every single time. Read First Corinthians chapter 5
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every single time. Write the steps down step by
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step and take the the approach that Jesus and Paul prescribe
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when approaching this subject. It is so super sensitive.
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That's why we need to let the burden of this fall on Scripture
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instead of falling on us because we don't have the authority
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personally. The church has the authority
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because it's been given by Jesus Christ.
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So we need to let the church be our and and the Scripture be our
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authority in this, and let the burden fall on Scripture.
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Yeah, we are. We are the armor bearer.
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We are the flag bearer of Christ.
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The gospel is what's gone before us.
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Christ has laid out what this looks like, and our
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responsibility is just to honor his name, bear his name, and go
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forth proclaiming his name. And by doing that and allowing
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the gospel to shine through, we allow Christ to be magnified in
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all these things. And so I think this is so vital
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for US. Church discipline is something
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we don't do. But I'll close it like this,
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Brett, if I know my son is doing wrong.
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And this, this happened this last week, Brett, we, we got
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home, we were, we were in the vehicle and Brody was just out
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of control. And so it hadn't happened in a
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while, but we continued to talk through him the whole way home
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and we're trying to calm him down, but he was just causing
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problems and, and we got home and I said, Brody, go to your
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room, It's time for an adjustment.
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And I went in and I looked at him and I said, I love you, son,
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but I'm doing this because I love you.
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And I had to discipline him and he cried and, and when we, we,
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we talk through that the way we do it in our household.
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But I did it because I loved him.
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I did it because I don't want him to act that way in any other
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situation. And I'm trying to do it for his
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benefit. I didn't do it because it was
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going to make me look good. No one was going to see that I
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didn't go before the entire church.
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And this is the first time I'm telling out loud because it was
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an issue that was dealt with between me and him and our
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family. And he apologized to his mother
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that we dealt with those things. And that's how church discipline
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should be done. It should be dealt with small so
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that God is glorified, so that His name is lifted high, so that
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ultimately everything that we do is done for the glory of God.
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Amen. Brett, anything else?
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I about covers it. Until next time to God.
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