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BONUS Episode #2 "When 2 Dominatrix Collide!" · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are you a deviant?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like those of us who binge watch serial killer programs, laugh at the stupid stuff people do, and revel in anything else?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you found your people! Join us as we crack open the door to the palace cell and release the insanely stupid, the weirdly wonderful, and those who choose to live on size of size for nobles.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: We develop into the strange, the macabre, the sexy and the outrageous! So, if you're a deviant, then you have your place of us in the path of cell.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to our special bonus episode with Mayobs, but we've also got Lady Osimus! Are we any place to say your real name is or Lady A, Lady A, Lady C.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, Lady A.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: Do you not like Lady A?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh I'm gonna percolate on it for a bit.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Percolate.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Please do that quietly.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be percolating and making noise and creating stenchures, thanks.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that wasn't Betty John then, then really, was it?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we are coming together to talk about um some dominatrix type questions and just have a little chat over a few things.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: No real plan, as you know, don't look.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've got some questions, but they're not questions that I'm gonna ask, they're just sort of like situations that I'm posing to us to chat about.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're super experienced.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna big myself up, fuck it.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: We're super experienced.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, obviously, we run events in a venue, we see loads and loads of different people on the scene from all different walks of life.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: I call them all creatures, great and small.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so, really, we've got our own experience, but we've got all the experience of other people to bring together in a conversation that I think you're gonna enjoy.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not the standard questions like you know, so what's your favourite kink?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_04: What is your favourite kink?
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: To warm us up, but you've just asked it now, anyway.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm definitely impacting stuff for me.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's where I just feel really at home.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_04: I like kind of bringing in a little bit of sadism, a little bit of impact, and just a lot of laughs.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly that.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of laughs, and that's one of the things I wanted to bring up today.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Angelo was seen you brought it up.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go for it.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: People think that domays are super serious, proper county all the time, shouty, big, big thing that I thought I needed to do when I first started.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was overcompensating for the fact that I was inexperienced and I didn't know how to use my body and my mind and that to control somebody.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just shouted at them.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's a common thing, isn't it?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: When you first come in, it's all like rah durah dura dura dura.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_04: And then those that are a little bit more in the node just need to raise an eyebrow or just need to give a look.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_04: And it's enough.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: That's it.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's enough.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Literally just a stir from me.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Who was I with recently?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was either Barry or Kev sitting in that chair, and I was talking about oh, it was Kev.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, I don't think I've actually properly met Lady C.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Alright, haven't you?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then a little while later I did something and I gave him a look and he went, Oh I think I've just met Lady C.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was so funny, poor Kev.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, bless him.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, so yeah, it's a big, big myth that um, you know, we're we're shouty, we're mean, and all those things.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think some of the best domays I've come across actually say very little, handle themselves in a certain way, very respectful and kind.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Kind to their submissives and other people around them and fellow domays.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think people expect us to be uh really mean and um maybe we do live in isolation as professionals in a way, but we're very sociable really, and we help each other out.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: One of the big things is has been the come you know, the camaraderie with other people and and kind of looking and going, yep, that works for me.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: No, that doesn't really work for me, and just being able to kind of get a get a feel yourself of what you've enjoyed doing, you know.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: I've I've done the the the big shouty stern and I didn't really like it.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't like me being that.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: It felt like a like like a character rather than an extension of who I am.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I do this because I like it, because I enjoy it, yeah, and I'm not just performing for somebody else.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: So for me, I I do laugh a lot, I I do value friendship, I do value a lot of those things that I've then kind of carried on into my into my dominators.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's keeping it real, isn't it?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: Very much so.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you had to act into every aspect of being a dominatrix, it would be hard work.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get me wrong, there's definitely certain aspects of what I do that are not me in real life.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely do put them on.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's not so far removed that you know I'm taking myself out of myself.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a different role completely that I've got to act.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a facet that I tap into when I need to, maybe.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's like it's like ramping it up to 10, isn't it?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know, when when when you can be a little bit um cunty.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we can we have that little bit.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can say cunty, it's fine.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Cunty!
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_04: No, we did it now.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's just kind of ramping that up or kind of switching it up to to have those bits of yourself that that feel a little bit more in character for what you're wanting to get out of that moment.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: In the earlier days, though, I definitely felt like I was pretending to be something that I wasn't.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think I had a bit of the old imposter syndrome, we all have that.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of do this, and so I tried a bit too hard and maybe pushed myself out of myself too much in the beginning, maybe compromised myself a little bit.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe overstepped some things that I shouldn't have done, really, that I really, really wouldn't do now, just as part of the whole journey and figuring out what sort of mistress I'm gonna be.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it definitely wasn't a shouty mistress.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_04: No, I mean I I learned a lot of my stuff from you, you know, you took me under your wing years ago.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_04: And then I I did very similar things, you know, some kinks and some stuff that I was thinking a little bit, okay.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we'll give it a go, we'll see what it's like, we'll see if it works.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Make some decisions that I put again I probably wouldn't make now, but now I've got 12 years of experience under my belt, it's very easy to go, that's not for me, yeah, and do what I want for me.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah rather than I'll do what I want for you.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to, it's hard work otherwise, you know, and it becomes a job like any other, you know.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't even mean if you're a professional dominatrix, but even at social events, if you agree to some things that you wouldn't normally, or you know, you're pushing yourself into things you wouldn't normally, you've just become the service top.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: And you you kind of you you do it and then you think, oh, oh, okay, that was that was nice, but it wasn't no, it wasn't amazing.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: You don't come over and like fuck me, that was amazing, and I'd much rather have fewer, fuck me, that was great moments, than lots of like because you're not absolutely the other person a service either, really feeling like that.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'd hate somebody to play with me and be like, Well, it was alright.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: She was going through the motions there, yeah, yeah.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_04: And they can tell.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh, they absolutely can tell.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Professional subs, especially the move around domains all over the country, some of them, and where it gets around really, really quick.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: And some subs like prescriptive sessions where they tell you, but if I don't want to do it, I'm not gonna do it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm okay for them to prescribe to a certain point.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's still gotta be within my comfort zone, what I want to get out of it.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to call away going, okay, you've got what you want to bright fucking do too.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's graceful.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, very much so.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the you know, the sessions that I take on are stuff that I want to do, not stuff that I have to do.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm made a very, very clear choice in that I wasn't gonna do anything I don't want to do.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, my own my own stuff is very much stuff that that I want to do, and sometimes it changes depending on on the day and the mood and how it goes.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and sometimes it can be we're gonna do this, but we'll do this instead.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um and those are much, you know, m much different sessions.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_04: They feel very, very differently.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what I'm like over feet?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I like trampling, but I've got to be in the mood to get me totties out, um, or have somebody give them attention.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's took me quite a long time for to allow people to touch my feet.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Trampling, fine, because they're not touching, they're just you know, letting me stand on them.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: But when there's a bit more to it, it took me years.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: So now I'm at the point of okay, you can touch my feet, but I've gotta be really in the mood on the day.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm not in the mood and somebody touches my feet, it could probably affect my home mode, yeah?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's really gotta be in the mood.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: And when I am, I really enjoy it.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really do now.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thank God.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thank God I found this thing that everybody was raving over and I was balking over.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why do you want to do that?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've found my uh my happy place with feet.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can take it and leave it when the mood.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_04: I like I like foot worship, I like I like feet.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I have to be in the mood if somebody wants to like kiss them or or or put their mouths on them, that feels very much like how well do I know you.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's a very personal thing.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: It is one of those things.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna do it just because you want me to do it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, mm-mm.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_04: And it is it's difficult, isn't it, to be able to go kind of no, yeah, leave it there.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_04: In the early days, you know, with experience, it's much easier to be like, absolutely not, fuck off.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you do sometimes as well, especially if a sub is like trying to push something that you've already said you're not into, and uh you can push all your life.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna push anymore, I'm gonna walk you right out of that door because I've already told you to know.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: But in the early days, I might have gone, hmm, do you not need the experience?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: I might like it.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: And there's been times I've walked away feel a bit dirty, actually.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean because I've been made to do anything sexual, but because I've walked away feeling like I have provided a service with no two-way street.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't get anything from it, and I was I remember there's one particular time and I was touching this guy's skin, so I wasn't even anywhere like really personal, maybe tweaked his nipple a few times, but it I wasn't like touching his cock and balls with my hands or anything, um, and he was aroused, and I think that's where my thing with erections in the in the dungeon comes from.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've thought about this recently because I'm like, why don't I like erections in the dungeon?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and this, he was kind of an older man, and I was just touching his back, it was the whole, you know, how is his back after being whacking it and his bum, just testing the temperature, and he got an instant erection from that.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay, I know that guys get something sexual out of what we do.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not always in session, but they're obviously becoming aroused and they'll have a little wank later on over it.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: But it was the first time when somebody pretty very, very, very quickly in the session.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: I just touched his back and he just got an instant stiffy, and I couldn't get rid of it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was getting really panicky over it, but I felt like I was sort of humiliating him without meaning to as well, and I think he was getting off on it.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: And his erection was just.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So you weren't helping him at all, but I wasn't.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: My inexperience just like shone through completely.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was just making the situation a thousand times worse.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I walked away from that feeling like I didn't want to make him aroused in the session.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: If what I do during the session, you know, turns him on and he has a little wank over it when he goes home, then fine.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it was the first time that somebody was an old man as well, with his little fucking wrinkly willy oh was visibly, visibly aroused and you know, could have just banged one off and come in second, probably.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was I was just like, don't know about this.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: It changed it.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: It was weird.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: It changed it.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: I know you're like me, like kink is kink often, and when somebody changes it into something sexual, and it's very visibly then sexual, it almost kind of goes against or makes us kind of backpedal a little bit, doesn't it?
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: That this isn't necessarily what we're doing it for, and then you know, have you?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: But then I'll question what am I doing to make him this aroused?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, when I'd analyzed it, and then I'd have fucking tons of other subs doing the same over the years.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we don't have to do anything, just our presence.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it might be that they've said beforehand, you know, I'm not telling you what to wear, mistress, but I really like boots, and you know, they're blindfolding the corner as you walk in and they can hear your boots clip-clopping on the floor.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: You might allow them to touch them blindfolded with their hands, and it's got an instant erection.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: So actually, sometimes we don't need to do much at all.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's our very presence in the room, and it took me ages to get my head round it.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Which is mad, isn't it?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and no, but I mean, you know, for a lot of people, I guess that is it's a moment in time, it's a very special moment in time for them, isn't it?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, we don't know how long they've been thinking or building themselves up to potentially contact a mistress or or how long they've been thinking about this and stuff.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_04: So to be in that moment, I'm surprised that it doesn't just come everywhere, yeah.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: Splurge in seconds, touch the boot and that's it, we're done.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: The short short session that would be when they're like, oops.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know if there's a mistress years ago?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I show the situation with this guy who had an erection.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he must I don't know whether he just hadn't had a wank for a little while, or whether he was just an early ejaculator or what, I don't know.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um he was licking this mistress's boots, and she said, I really just felt like he'd come just from not even touching his willy, just from licking my boots.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was practically purple, his bell end was purple, like really aroused.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: She'd seen it before, but he she thought, um this could be the first time somebody's just gonna ejaculate without touching his willy.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, she she stood him up and she just held his hand as he stood up because he was a little bit shaky.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And um she said, We need to sort that out, and he just looked down and he went like that and pushed his his willy down, like, oh sorry, mistress, and as he did it, he fucking came.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: But he came over a boot one boot, like a pointy stiletto, and he just She said his little face was just sheer panic.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that he just come, it should have been like relief, it wasn't, it was terror absolute humiliation in that moment.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was terror.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: He just sort of looked down, looked up at Mistress, and then just looked down again.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh shit, and she said, You'd best get down there and lick that up.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: And in her head, she said, We had obviously that we didn't know it was gonna happen, we didn't hadn't negotiated it.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: So in that moment, he could have just gone, nah, what doing that?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: But she said, I think just with sheer like shame, terror, everything all the emotion, they just got down and just licked it up as quickly as he possibly could, so nobody could see it anymore.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't exist.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't do it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: One note it was one booth, so one boost was just like all nice and clean and a bit slobbery, and the other one was a bit dusty.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: You could see what boots he'd come on.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: But uh afterwards I had like a little coffee and a debrief, and he apologised profusely for it.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: He went, This has never ever happened to me before.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not like you know an early comer.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um he says, But I've been looking forward to this for so long, they've been talking quite a lot, and she was stunning.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: She was a very, very, very pretty mistress and and looked lovely.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And um he just got himself caught up in the moment, I think, by the sound of it.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's all it took.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_04: One one one touch wasn't he?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Pushed his willy down everywhere.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh mate was tripping off his fingers by the sound, so it was just all over her boot mate.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine if it was a suede boost, I'd be furious! I'd be furious.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, right, lick it.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now scotch garden brush before you leave.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want any cum, any cum stains on my boots.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: Be forevermore, just like one boot that is just like stuck and claggy.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Just have like a slight stain, a little bit of discoloration compared to the other one.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a wine stain that you couldn't quite get out.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, anyway, right, so you touched on something before that I want to uh go over.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: You said that um a dome persona isn't necessarily our real life persona.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um we were talking about acting into the past.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that there's some subs out there who truly believe that we are like this all the time and we're not acting into it?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think some would like to think we are.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: It it depends, I think.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: I think if if it's real lifestyle subs, so there's the kind of subs that come along to our club, week in, week out, event in, event out, they see a a a range of personalities from each of us and you know, and what we do and and how we do it differently with different people.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I think they have a little bit more of an idea.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think there's then some that just sit online and and we're like, what are you wearing now?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: And like, well, I'm wearing an UD and a pair of slippers.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no bra.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you know, I've I've actually not really brushed my hair today, you know, it's just a bit sticking up at the back, and that's not what they want to hear.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: So I think there's some that just are very much in that moment.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and those that are sessioning or paying for those sessions, you know, they don't want to think of us as anything else other than that person in that moment.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: I should quite rightly say it's a little more prescriptive.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes there's a you know, there's a set of boundaries or there's a set of things that they would like to get roughly out of a session.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, in a paid session, if we're comfortable too, we're there to deliver on some of it.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_04: And I think for that moment in time that feels very different to those that are with us as as lifestyle.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, certainly lifestyle subs, long-term subs, we're absolutely human.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we absolutely get things wrong sometimes, not often.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether over the years some subs have put me on a pedestal, and I think that's possibly where I'm getting this from.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm like Lady C and you know, run townhouse and all that, um and obviously being professional.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether people just think that I live as Lady C all the time because I've got the club.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, that's your full-time job, you've told it's more than your full-time job.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you know, obviously I'm doing I do this and I'm online talking about Lady C and BDSM quite a lot.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: And um maybe lifestyle subs, not so much, but definitely professional subs, but there are definitely some people who've come to some fat events who uh it doesn't matter how fucking nice I am, if my jeans and t-shirts are still terrified of Lady C, they can't separate Vicky and Lady C.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: I often get you're scary.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: You're scary, or but I think quite often it's efficiency, you know, when you when you're running events and you're looking after you've got a professional head on.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think then if they see outside of that, that's when they're like, Oh, you're not so scary, or you're not as you know, you're not as curt uh sometimes as as I can be if I'm in kind of Sergeant Sarah moment, you know, working things out.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, the the the scary things definitely, I think.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I also think that there's some subs that don't want to think of you as anything other than a domain, because they put you on a pedestal or they worship you, and I found that word worship very difficult at first because sub subs really do worship you, don't they?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like a partner might do, or whatever.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a 24-7 sub, especially.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I really really found that difficult, but when they worship you, they don't want to worship Vicky, they want to worship Lady C.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: And even if you try and step outside of Lady C, I've had one person in particular trying to push me back into Lady C.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: I actually said you can call me Vicky, it's okay, it's not even a fet night.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they went, Oh, I don't I don't feel able to.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: I want to call you Lady C.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I went, okay, there's a respect thing there.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: I totally understand that.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen it loads, haven't we?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but some of the things he was saying, he he didn't want to have a normal conversation, he wanted to speak to me as a mistress, as the underdog, and you know, and I was like, it really made me think that there's some people out there that they don't want to see you as anything else but the dominatrix because in their head they've put you into this bubble and you're gonna burst.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is who you are, this is who you are, and you're maybe having cheeky wanks over me.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, they don't want to see me as Vicky in her jeans and tea and you know, mad hair and no makeup.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh I do find that sometimes people um they only want the domain side of me.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever get that?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: Not as much.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think I in the club people tend to call me Artemis rather than Sarah or any knight.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I try very clearly if I've got if if it's a swinging knight or it's a you know or non-fet knight, I'll try and wear my Sarah badge um to kind of not be Artemis.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Your Chaos Engineer badge or your free curve badge.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but something that's not Lady Artemis or Artemis.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um but people still then refer to you by that name, I guess if that's what they what they know you as.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um I definitely nowadays kind of like I say, I don't tend to engage in stuff I I don't want to do, so I think people tend to feel that I'm a bit more unapproachable, perhaps.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe that's a little bit where the scary thing comes in, or or you know, I'm Almost standoffish is the wrong word, but I I will engage with stuff that I want to do and and you know I really enjoy kind of helping and teaching other people and stuff like that.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I I don't tend to get worshipped by sadly by submissive.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I think?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is just an observation and I could be wrong, but I've noticed and it's really nice, I I thought they do it, but I'm not as good as you.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um after even before Jorah and after, you're quite maternal with your submissives.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I care for my submissives, obviously, I'm not maternal.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I see a real maternal streak in you.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't think you're wrong.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it doesn't make you any more or less of a dumb, eh?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we both know you know maternal uh people can be pretty nasty evil people as well, you know.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: We both we know that.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you've got this maternal side and very caring, you humanise everybody that you work with.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I humanise them, just don't do it in the same way as you, and I'm wondering if you're not feeling the worship because it's more of a a comfort sort of when you do aftercare, it's very comforting.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: You've done it with me.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it it's much more potentially touchy or much more potentially kind of cuddly.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_04: And what can I get you?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_04: Do you want me to go and get you?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you need this?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm very much more kind of what can I get you?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: How can I kind of put you back together almost?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: You like a fix us after you've broke us, yes, basically.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like to fix.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um again, I hadn't really thought about it until um you and Orange had beat me black and blue.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sweet.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Might have told you about it before.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was an event a while back, and uh you and Orange double talked me and I paying gasomed all over the place.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was literally that colour with with tints of purple and green for days and days.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: We were we were mean.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was great, loved it, it was really great.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then afterwards, I mean Orange was yeah, he's very huggy, isn't he?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very huggy.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I got loads and loads of hugs off Orange.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: But then you know you'd put the blankie on me and you left me.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I said for ages, I felt like ages Brian to be left.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way I could stand up.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you were.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then yeah, you led me through to the the the bar and I still wrapped up and had a cup of tea, and I think I had some chocolate and you were sitting next to me and you were like, Are you okay?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: and hitting sitting quite close.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was only at that time I realised what sort of domain you were.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'd seen your work on people, but I'd never felt it, and I'd never felt your aftercare.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I think actually that's possibly why you don't feel the worship because people are just it's more of a respect thing, I think, with you because you care, you're compassionate, you are maternal, maybe with your submissive.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a really nice way to be.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: Quite possibly.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_04: I uh it's part of my aftercare to make sure that that you're okay.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: I I I really, really, really dislike um kind of doing something and then being like, okay, so we're done.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_04: Great, let's shake hands and and and away we go.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: I I I struggle with that.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: I like to know I can really hurt someone and then yeah, put them back together and just be let you know that I'm there, which is why I really like playing with my friends.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: Because it is probably a little bit closer than you would potentially be with you know, with a stranger or with something.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: I find it discombobulating when bossums don't need much aftercare.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Aphiarry is one of them.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: He'll sit for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, but it's not like he's not like wrapped up.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes he is because I make him um and chocolate and a drink or whatever, but he's just sitting on my chest, and then before you know it, whatever he's got on is that's flung off and he's bollocko.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um ready to go again.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Ready to go again.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he does.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: We had a have a a mutual friend who we we quintuple topped.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't we?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: And um she was the same, like everything, everything we gave her, she took, and then she was just like, okay.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just bounced up and I was like, we were all just like I felt defeated almost.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, she should be fucked.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: We were all fucked.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_04: We were in knackage, you got your cat and nine tails out on her, and and she was like, Okay, okay.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: And then yeah, I went went off out to the smoking area and but we called it.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: She didn't call it when there was five of us.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's five dominants, all having breaks because as one was work and we weren't, or two were and we weren't.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: And we had to call it what the fuck?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I loved that, you know.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really loved that.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I um I I I used to be on comfortable being worshipped.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um now it's just a go as with the lady thing, really.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I just gonna keep on.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you just hug people.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a big hugger in real, that's the thing.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like if I meet somebody, I I'm always a bit like, ooh, about hugging people.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: But then I think when you've given, for me, when you've given yourself in that way, it just needs a little bit of things.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's definitely a personal connection that I've I've tried to vocalise between a dominant and a submissive, and I've tried to vocalise a comment from different angles.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you quite understand it until you've felt it.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: That level of trust with I'm gonna say a stranger, but they're not.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes are people you've known for a while, but a first-time play, they're not an intimate partner, they might not be somebody you go for drinks and meals with, there's somebody on the scene who you beat.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and so it's really hard to explain that relationship between a dominant and a submissive, and the respect and the trust that it takes to get that right.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And how both of us are switched, obviously, don't mind me saying that.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: We both know how it feels to be on the receiving end and feel cared for and feel that connection.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weird, weird's the wrong word, it's an unusual connection that I don't think you feel in a loving relationship unless that person's also beaten you.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_04: That there's when somebody's given themselves to you like that, you could really fuck them up.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, you know the things that they really don't want.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, not that we ever would, but you can really, really damage somebody.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: And you can really, really be damaged by somebody wheeling all these things that you know, and and losing yourself in a space potentially that you are a bit kind of you know, a bit flawed or a bit just very, very vulnerable.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: And it is a completely different level of of connection.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: It is, and after a session, you really feel it.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: You feel like you've had something special.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you could be black and blue, you might even be crying because that's how you release from all this sort of thing.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the connection that you feel afterwards, it's really, really special.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you've been through all this like these hormones, all these fluctuations, and it's a head rush, and and the dominance has probably been through similar different hormones but similar feelings.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of it, you come together and go, fucking great, that was great then, and you're both like, What in hell man.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes it just it it just works really, really well, doesn't it?
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: Really nice, you know, you'll you'll be doing something or put an extra pop or something in, and they'll re react in just a way that's like, oh my god, having a great end.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really, really good.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And if you've got a crowd watching you as well, not that we do it for show boating, but a thing having a crowd adds to the energy between you both and in a room, and I'd very much I do step away out of that very quickly, actually.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know the people are there and I forget, yeah, and I'm very much in my scene.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: But even though you're not even listening to the mumblings and the gasps in the background, and you're not seeing the reactions, you still feel the energy in the room, definitely, and the energy that's around you, you definitely feed off that and it feeds into the connection that you've got.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds all like moo-woo, but there's no, there's definitely something about being in a room with lots of people who are intently watching, waiting on the next, and they go and and react with the submissive, it's a very interactive space, and you all come away, feeling like you've been part of something, don't you?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it it's great at some points as well, and you do tend to do it.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: If you if you pick up something and you hear people go, Oh god, yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Or you've used it on somebody before, and they're like, Oh fuck.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you know what's coming next.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like oops.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I quite like if the submissive that you're working on hasn't got a blindfold on, and you pick something up, sometimes I'll caress it over the skin to see if they can guess what it is, and I'll just show them.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And depends on who it is.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Happy Anyway goes, woo-hoo! You're like, that's not the reactional answer.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Other people just sort of go wide eyed, and you're like, you're already in their head before you've even whacked them with it.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: There's a cane that I I use on smudge, and he he both loves and hates it.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a white synthetic one, and I just have to exact I just have to hold it, and he's like, Huh.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_04: Does he like stingy?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: He he he likes canes now.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: He's he's really, really good with canes, but we do a lot of like thigh caning, so very, very close, very I quite like that.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: I I yeah, he he likes the thigh caning, and there's not a lot of area that you're working on, so yeah, when we start bringing out this, he knows that it's gonna just kind of because I mean that sort of cane is gonna sting like fuck.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all canes have got a bite, definitely, but the synthetic and the carbon fibre type canes, it's like the hiss, you're getting an immediate sting, immediate, and then maybe a second or two, and then it it literally resonates into the skin and it bites you on the inside as well.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just like you can almost feel yeah the insides just vibrating from them, can't you?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's uh that exact thing, like oh sh, oh shit, okay.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the thing that makes them go, oh but then that's the submission in that moment, isn't it?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: That's the moment where it's like, okay, I I I trust you, go on, we've you know, we've got this.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: But he's wrong safe for it.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day, if he didn't want it, 100%, if he didn't trust you to use it responsibly and you know, look out for the cues, then he'd just he'd just call it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_04: But that that is the bits that I enjoy when it's like this is gonna really fucking hurt, I'm probably gonna cry, it's gonna be a lot, but okay, I'm giving everything to you, and and that's the bit where you're like, yeah, yeah, this is this is like the definite the definite kind of sadistic joy.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: I love being a sadist, you know.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Casual.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: I just uh I never grew up thinking I want to be a sadist, you know.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what a sadist was, obviously, but I never thought it was in me to be a sadist, want to be a sadist, but pretty good at it really, I like it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: I I really enjoy just causing like random, random bits of pain as well.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like we we I I I'm lucky in that, you know, we have sessions, but then we also have this this dynamic where I can just be like, just just bring your arm over.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bring your arm over.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: I want to bite you.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just like oh okay.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: And Andy does it, I'm not allowed to bite Andy, but I'm I'll be like, give let me give you a dead arm.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_04: And he'll be like, go on then.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_04: Let me give you a dead arm though.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_04: How do you lecture?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: He does, it's like let me give you like oh go on then, go on then.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he will let me give him a dead arm.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Just just random.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: I found out uh years later, uh after being you know um Ricardo's uh mistress for donkey years, that he actually didn't like um impact.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh he did it because I liked it.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so he grew to like it, don't get me wrong, but when we very first started out, he didn't like it, didn't like it at all.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he used to say, you know, I I am your muse, you do what you want, and I did.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he actually said later on that he didn't know everything that he was into.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's obviously the journey.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: He'd been on the scene for about 18 years, I think, by the time I I hooked up.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um we actually had his 25th anniversary as a sub in the in the club one year as well.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was about 18 years, I think, maybe a bit less when we hooked up.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he was already very experienced, but there's still lots he hadn't tried, and obviously everybody worked differently.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, I just I just didn't like impact.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: He said it wasn't you, it was just I just didn't like it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then I changed things up a little bit because obviously you're reading people a little bit, and he said, and I grew to like it.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: He said it's never gonna be my favourite thing.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: He said, because I do get the hormone drop and everything, but it's a bit like meh, you wanted something more, you wanted something deeper.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: He did like caning because it got it a bit deeper, but you liked needles and stuff, and stuff like that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_04: I remember many years ago you doing the big purple feathers on him.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think I shared that on Facebook actually.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Might have got tucked down by Facebook.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: But for those that didn't say it or haven't heard it previously, um it was basically um a sequence of feathers, no, a sequence of needles in two lines go on either side of the back, and in the the hub of the needle, there was ostrich feathers in purple.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they were huge.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they wouldn't stay in on their own, they had to be attached because they were I didn't realise feathers were actually quite heavy.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the surface area of those ostraus ostrich feathers I can't say the word, ostrich feathers.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it causes like a drag, like a gravity drag when they're inside the the needle hubs, and that's what was dragging them down.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_04: I guess I mean he kept them in for a while, didn't he, as well, and moved around in them.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess the you know the the wind of them as well would have kind of you have to go through doors, sideways, they're that wide.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: I remember.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: I remember mad.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we've talked a little about about your toys.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see what you've brought because Lady A has brought some of your favourite things, haven't you?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: I brought some of my favourite things.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: These are a few of my favourite things.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: I won't say when the dog bites, when the mistress bites.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we've got When the cane stings.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: I brought this, my little bitch stick.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you call it a bitch stick.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I call it a bitch stick.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I call it a meanie.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, I I call this my bitch stick.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: So this is just, you know, when you're talking about that kind of random violence, this is great to just have random violence though?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_04: Acts of random violence.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_04: Random violence, I love it.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it's one of those things that really you can just have with you.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_04: So if you're just kind of sitting, it's not uh it doesn't have to be in a scene thing, you can just kind of randomly be like, let me.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_04: And and just again that fear of being like, oh god, it's really gonna hurt.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_04: And it leaves fabulous.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the little Conti things then.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're so so simple, but oh, can I have a little yeah.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's this on the end for me.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's the noise.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the extra.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they've got just an enough give to just give a nice little but without if you pulled it right back, it'd go.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't look very good.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it's just got a nice little trip.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Lovely.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Very nice, very nice.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's like good for like down your boot kind of thing, isn't it?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you can just carry it with you.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: You don't have to like haul it around and but it's enough to strike the fever of God into most people.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_04: Whoever's felt it will know.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I got I brought my my trusty I know, yeah, my trusty blue floggers.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_04: These were the first custom-made floggers that I got.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: So who made those for you?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: They they're not around trading anymore now, but they were scarlet leather ones.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but because I'm really short, I had to cut the ends off them.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh bless you.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Did you keep whacking yourself with the long tails?
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted some closer ones.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: I have um some that were, I think, were Amelia Hawk ones, which were were really long, but I wanted some kind of closer worked ones, and they were still too long for me with my with my little arms.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh so I wanted to get up close and personal.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, we cut the ends off them, but I've had these for years now.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: I tend to start most of my yeah, whatever I do, that those are always the first things that I that I pick up.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and they were the ones ones I I learned to florentine with as well.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think if you're gonna learn to florentine, there need to be shorter ones anyway, really.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and definitely articulated.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um I I can Florentine with just handle, I've got um my dragon tails, near my pair of dragon tails.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I can florentine just with them with the with the handles, but it's so much easier and flows loads better if you've got the articulation.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_04: If you do a lot of flogging and a lot of florentinum as well, these are just so much easier.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Those ones are well, your wrists get sore otherwise.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just fingers, isn't it?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Do you hold yours with those two fingers?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody asked me why we held finger floggers like that.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know why?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because I like it like that.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I don't know.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is in school of king.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was in school of king teaching people how to flog.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: And they asked me a question I couldn't answer.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: I do a lot of things with those fingers.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, me too.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: It just feels bad.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_04: The joy fingers.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: It just I I don't know.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I have more movement and manipulation.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: Those two just feel not quite as two just feel easier.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: It just I've tried doing Florentian with those two fingers and I don't know what it was.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't have the same movement.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas with those two, I just felt like it it was just easier.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know why.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: So that poor person, school of kink, who asked me the question.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't know, actually, I just like it that way.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, wait, you're never gonna know that they're just nicer fingers.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_04: They're just nicer fingers.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Can have a little look.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: So obviously, I you've seen my little ones, and then you got me my rainbow ones, which are longer.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Really like them.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: The rainbow ones have got narrower tails, but they're longer.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really like them.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I like them because they've got like a metallic finish on the on them.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're under light, just the light occasionally just hits them as they're flowing round.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're really nice.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really nice.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're nice weight them as well, aren't they?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: They're a really nice weight, they're a really nice thud on them.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_04: They've lasted.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's nearly as long as the actual flavor.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: You've copped on that short.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: I did, it did.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: But I've had I've had them for years, and I mean you can tell that they're worn a little bit now, but they still just last.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_04: They were yeah, they were obviously an expensive purchase at the time.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think I got them out of, you know, probably one of my first sessions as well, money wise, and it was like okay, I'm gonna have you trimmed them at all, like you know, like neaten them up.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: No, I I like them quite rough and ready.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was gonna say actually, they're not that rough and ready.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, yeah, you gave them a little haircut every now and then, because mine do mine, I don't know whether I'm just abusing them or what, but every few months or so I've got to get little scissors out and just like trim the sides of all like bobbling.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like little bits of child.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, they've just I mean they've lasted, and I'm I'm I should be better with my kit than I am.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_04: I I it flies into my bag, it flies back out again, it goes down, I use it, cleaner, it goes back in again.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_04: I I they they should be absolutely fucked by now, and they're not.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: They they look loved, let's put it that way.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_04: I've been really sad the day that I've got to retire them.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna be really sad because obviously the company's not there anymore either, and I just yeah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen, I'm sure you've seen my real my oldest flogger, and um it's it's the handle has been has never been replaced, but the gaffer tape on the handle has been replaced many times if I've shown you.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, maybe if we do this again, I'll bring it out.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: So uh it's probably um it was the original Lazy C's flogger.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, it was passed down, um and it was sort of one of my very first um gifted things, if you like, and it was old then, and it was a case of you know, there you are, the new Lady C kind of thing.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the tails on it are leather, but um they're very, very thin and like cubed, so it's like a a tail in like like a square.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, get what I mean, and then the ends are obviously they're diagonally cut as well.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: The handle itself was a leather handle, and at some point it's just it's just come away.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: So now it's probably on its I'd say about its seventh generation of gaffer now, something like that.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_04: Triggers broom, yeah.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I could get another handle made, of course.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: I could I've had them done before, but I'm really fearful that if I have another handle made, it's not gonna work in the same way.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody I've used it on hates.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody, um it's a it's the puntiest thing I've got.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's fast, literally just just to do a little bit of a spin.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: The sound that it makes in the air is just chef's kiss, and sometimes I don't even use it on people because it's too much.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just swing it past the past their ear and then pick something else up and they think that it's that.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I've seen that.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: You've probably seen it out and not realised what one it is.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: The handle's quite quite supple on it.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'll show you that.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really good.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but glass is much loved, and again, I have to give that little trims and everything.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: And one day it's it is gonna die.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, like you said, when you've got to retire there and you don't know what you're gonna do, it'll be the same with this.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just I'm dreading the day.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't want it to happen.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: Those are my my trusty blue floggers.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: What else have we got?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, my venital.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_04: We all love a vanatical.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_04: We all love a venitor.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, this this was gifted to me um by a Floki in the club for years I'd been trying to get my hands on one and he does very small runs of stuff, and literally as soon as they go up, they're gone.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_04: And Floki must have maybe five or six times been like, Go, go, go, and I just didn't get it.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I just missed it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_04: And kept missing it and kept missing it.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_04: And he lucky little bad ended up getting like two or three pieces in this time.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I can't get them.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_04: I was you're buying them all.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_04: And um this one came up on a second hand um a second hand from somebody from the scene and he bought it for me and gave it to me uh at the club.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: So we've ever since been filling it with love.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_04: So it's one of the things that I try really hard to get out through any scene that I do because it could be used in so many different things.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's multifunctional, yeah, definitely.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't have to absolutely twat somebody with it, but I I decided I really wanted to fill it with love because I I don't know how much love it had had, but it was gonna get lots and lots of love to it.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a la la la la la.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: A lot a lot of love.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: While I'm doing this, see the way my microphone's like that, just ahead of it, just push it down.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just so we can see your eyes a bit better.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Your red evil eyes.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: So they're just beautiful pieces.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I I like oh god, it's got a lovely weight in the ear.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: It is just amazing.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what wood it is?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's a hard wood, definitely, obviously a hard wood.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: But um if you can see that, it's got weights in there and it just makes it just drop down.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's lovely.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't got to put a whole lot of work in that.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: It does it all for you.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's just such a nice piece of it.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: I quite like the little blue bits on it as well.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's like little blue accents.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: It was almost made.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of stuff in my kit has blue, not on purpose, but a lot of it has blue bits in it.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was obviously meant to be in your bag.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was meant to be.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you tell me and everybody else what you do with that.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_04: It depends.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_04: So if I'm doing again a lot of thigh work, I can use a lot for um for kind of warm-ups across thighs.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_04: The end is quite sharp, so once you've kind of given someone a good beating, you can kind of you can use the ends as well for like pressure points and kind of get into you know, into muscles and stuff like that.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_04: And it is excuse me, it is super uh heavy, so it's really, really nice if you've been using something kind of quite stingy and stuff like that, to just kind of change it up.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_04: And it's quite cool.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_04: It is actually a sort of yeah, on the brass bits as well.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_04: So sometimes just kind of having it, placing it.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh don't fucking drop it.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's another one.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_04: If you put it on them, it's like don't fucking drop it.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let it drop.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean it's well loved.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's had a couple of of little batterings along its time.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Already.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_04: Do you do it with the hand holder?
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't tend to do anything with it apart from holding it.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it I see you're thinking about balls, aren't you?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_04: I always do.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_04: You were you were going to use it the other way around.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody says I'm obsessed with bollocks because all the evil things I've talked about on the pod normally include bollocks at some point.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um so what would I use this for?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely for poking.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: What I'd probably do is give them a good old whack wah wah on the bum cheek and then just get that point in the bum cheek and turn it.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: Turn it.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's nice.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: I quite like doing that.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Little like Chinese burns.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: These are great for that sort of thing.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh obviously, all the different sides are gonna feel different.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I like the fact that we're gonna get different sensations depends on what side we're using.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: This side I can imagine to be uh it looks innocuous, but because of those ridges there.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: And do a good scrape.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a scrape and a maybe I would do a a whack on the bum and a like a whack and a a scrape, maybe.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like you say, cold, I'd maybe um put it somewhere cold or make it cold to make that even colder, I don't know.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like you say, that end definitely.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think I'd hook that under the Biffin's bridge under the ball sack.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can draw them along by their balls.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to try that now and come back and see.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um what else?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's got a nice little bit of pressure on there.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we can use that and get a pressure point on me.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: I've got knocked it out of my neck, isn't it?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I really, really like it.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really like it.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can see why it's your favourite.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a really good uh piece of kit and it's got a it's got a really nice story that it came it came with love from somebody that I'd been trying desperately to get it from for so long.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's nice.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just not such a nice There's lots of different things you can do with that.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_04: It is, it's just awesome.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely try a ball drag with that.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_04: So else I can see another thing.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_04: And just my my trusty, my trusty purple handled Kane.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea where this came from.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_04: No, but it's the only one I have that has a purple handle.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_04: And we love purple in my kit.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's just my fave.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's not too givy.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um is it just my fave?
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: My fave hitting game.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, anything purple, it goes straight off on my estimations anyway.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_04: It is, but so am I and that's why I like it, because it's little like specialist miniature pieces for you.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: I like being close to the person that I'm that I'm playing with, that I'm that I'm hitting.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_04: I like quite a lot of contact, so for me, that's a nice I can have it on the back and and be close with it.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about you anyway, um, but when you have a long cane, the harder to control.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: I end out holding them further up anyway.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as you know, I've got loads of uh headmistress, headmaster type school canes.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: And they're really bendy, they're sorry, really flexible.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you whack somebody with it, you go for about five minutes.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it looks stupid, it doesn't really do an awful lot.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if you hold them further up, away from the curve, they're much easier to control and they don't doing quite so much.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, really, even though it's an ickle cane, actually that distance, if I was gonna hold it there, isn't that far off the length I would have.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'd maybe have about another four inches on it.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be about it, it would be normal for me.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_04: I like it, it's it's big enough to get around a butt cheek.
• 51:01
  unknown: Yeah.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's big enough, but I just wrap around our best, unless you've got a little bump.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't wrap around too much, no.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really bend enough, really, for that.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: I do a lot again of thigh caning and stuff with it, and it's a nice because again, some of the big ones are too big for thigh caning, and then they come right around the signs and stuff, yeah.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_04: So that is just a nice, a nice one for for thigh caning.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: So do you like being whacked um on the back of your legs and your sweet spot area?
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: I mean I do, but I move way too much.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: So you're a riggler.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a real wriggler and I'm handsy as well.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_04: So part of my part of my kind of warm-up with people is like, I'm gonna you're gonna end up hitting my hands at some point because they'll hit me and go to hit me again and I'll be wiggling my hands behind and then I'll end up getting them hit.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it happens, it's it's a me thing, not a not a them thing.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I go really quiet.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm apart from if I'm paying gasman.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I sort of I'm like, ooh, ow, mm mm.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then I sort of when it gets really intense, I just go really, really quiet.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Really quiet and very still.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I just sort of internalise and just enjoy it.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like a flow, this wave that comes over once I'm really into it.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you guys are whacking me that time.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I got to a point and I don't think um obviously odd wax hurt more than others, but I got to a point where it was like it couldn't hurt more than this, really.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you just you were going for it then.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's when Orange was doing punching me, and you had all sorts you had the nut thing on me at one point, I think, didn't you?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was like I I really couldn't be hurt much more.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was every impact was giving me what I wanted, it was giving me that hormone release, so just sort of like went into yourself and just internalised it until you found me spot, and then I was you were so polite with it though, there was a lot of pleasers.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember there was a lot of pleasers, you were very polite with it.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: It was great, it was a good session.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really, really enjoyed it.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Jim Jimmy saying uh seeing me arse afterwards, and he was a bit like obviously he just started, you know, uh experimented as well.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't I don't know if he actually said it, but I think he was definitely thinking, I don't don't I hope you don't want me to do that to you.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because he wouldn't.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: And mm there's been odd occasions he's left some bruises, but he doesn't go out intentionally want to mark me.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he and he said after that, do you want me to do that?
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: I went, No, no, what will you do is what will you do.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: I and I don't go out to do this to have a big black and blue arse, it just happens because I like impact and we were at it for a long time though, as well, weren't we?
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: Probably more.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: Was it more?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was more than that.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_04: We we it was no wonder you've period sweating at the end of it.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_04: It was a long, long, long session.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, that it was a long build-up, and and you know, it's we both really enjoyed impact, so you know it's you couldn't have kind of picked two bigger sages really to choose to do, and it was great.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_04: It was both great, we had a fabulous time.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I haven't brought my uh my favourite things because I've shown loads of my favourite things.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: Lucille is obviously one of my favourites, can't come out very often there, unfortunately.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I've brought some floggers on and all that sort of thing.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've brought loads of my kiss on there.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't need to see my kiss again.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_04: Remember the one time you came on, your kit was rolling down the street.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: That was my button.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: There was a hole in my bag.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: I should have just got a proper bag, not not just like a bag for life, and yeah, it just fell out of the bag.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: And because the road does that, and my car was like parked out towards the middle, as soon as it dropped out, just rolled to the opposite side of the road.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Carls.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, do I I was really concerned about my button, but also concerned about crossing the road and somebody seeing me picking the button up.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: It was obvious what it was, really.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're not into BTSM, just be like, why is she carrying a baton round?
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe she feels threatened.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, yeah, maybe it's a few.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weapon for you know, somebody assaulted me.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: But everybody, I think, where we lived at the time knew what I was into, and they probably just thought, oh shit, Lady C just dropped a button in the main road.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, the bus is gonna run over it.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_04: But it really was that was taxis and fucking all sorts.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: Can you imagine like if it punched a tire or something?
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what what what was it?
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 55:22
  unknown: Sorry.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so yeah, new button.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've actually got a bigger button now as well.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a wider one, my own one, my own Lady DC range one.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_04: Those were nice ones.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_04: I've got a new one at the last market that we did.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, one of the uh the diverse strokes ones, but it's that's a big two bum.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the problem with them, you can't hold them for long, they wrist hurts, doesn't it?
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's it's a kind of a big swing.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: The big swing.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's like um less is more with that.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mean as an impact, but you don't need many.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you bring it out when it nice and warms up, bit of a shock factor, maybe.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it can the way it's carried itself, doesn't it?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just bring a boom, yeah.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe four, then your wrist's like, yeah, fuck that now.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I have a couple of the little ones as well, which are much easier to use much easier to handle.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll do some of the little ones and then just kind of go with the big one afterwards.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 56:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, we have been gabbing, believe it or not, for just under an hour.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 56:24
  unknown: How did that happen?
• 56:25
  unknown: I don't know.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_04: You got us started.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I actually had about six or seven things that we could talk about, but we just we've talked about loads of other stuff, so we'll just definitely do it again another time.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Can I come back another time and do it again?
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, we could go longer than an hour, but I'm really trying to be so strict and not whistled on for ages.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Those first four episodes we did with all the new hosts, the two hour ones, they were long.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I myself I can't listen or watch long podcasts like that.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: An hour, hour and fifteen range is normally mean limits.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm busy, but also I'm getting a little bit like you could have said all of that in an hour.
• 57:03
  unknown: Yeah.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to be there.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: But with those four episodes, we had to do them longer because everybody needs to get to know them.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: That whole get to know you thing was everybody was so different as well.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's great, it was really, really good.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: And now that you know we're uh we finished that the the shortening down a little bit.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you'll get there.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: So before we uh we cuss off, what do you think about my little studio?
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is the first time, isn't it?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's really awesome.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: You've done such a fabulous job, Jim's just it feels like a studio.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_04: It feels like a studio, yeah.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't think I went into the the the second uh the move from the podcast studios I went into the first one.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: But it's it feels like a proper studio.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: You've done a cracking job, yeah.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: Once I've got into all the shit in the background that you can't see, um it'll it'll be even better.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get a little screen over there and I might even paint the wall over there, lime green.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Lime green.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I know it's nuts.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'd never choose to have a lime green wall in my house, I don't think.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's my favourite colour, but it's very bright.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Brunia, it'd work.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: It would work in here.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Bit of artwork over there.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_04: I love that you've got the the plug up on the ceiling like that.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_04: That's just genius.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's genius.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: Was that Jim?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: So Jim was an electrician before he retired.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, when he when I said I need um you know the tracker and everything up, and I don't know where I need the lights, and I might need to add more lights and I need plugs.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I'll put them in the ceiling.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen how many there are, Sarah?
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're never ever going to be sure.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's five double sockets on the ceiling.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's great.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: But it's it's such a good idea to have them up there.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we've got more lights to go up.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a new sign, hopefully, coming soon.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because me uh my padded cell sign, it's um acrylic, isn't it?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that light was reflecting on it.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_04: You couldn't see it quite so well.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I switched the light on, neon, it sort of stopped the glare of that, but then you couldn't see nothing else.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: As you could see it was bright green green because of the room's not quite um big enough to handle that sort of light.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: So plan B.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: So the the signs in retirement.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know, it's all little things that I want to add in and as we go along.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I'm really excited for you.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_04: Really excited for you.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's fabulous.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all like proper stuff and everything, like proper microphones.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_04: Mixing things.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_04: It feels like a proper, it does, and the rocky chairs are great.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so good.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: And they're the right colour.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, we had these before um yeah, we thought about doing anything.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, my two favourite colours, they just fit perfect.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: They comfy, aren't they?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they are really comfy, but it's like they were made for Jim had to oil that one now, because that's his chair, and it was squeaking because he's doing that.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got a psycho.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so we're gonna leave it there.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it the nice clear picture?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: Fabulous.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: I sound old.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Look at that nice clear picture of this! Fucking hell, the way it's come on now, eh?
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_04: Technology these days.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_04: I say that though.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_04: I say that though.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_04: My voice.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm such a technophobe with stuff, and I I hear myself sounding like my my mother, my grandmother being like, oh, I I don't know how to work that.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_04: Can you can you adjust?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_04: It's got too many buttons.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what what I don't need to do that.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: Just just give me the easy version.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Have you noticed that mobile phones?
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: They went like dead small and now they're going huge again again.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_04: I do have a big one.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_04: Mobile phone.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: Way.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: Mobile phone.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_04: Because I A, I can't see it, and B, I can't.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: Every time I type, I make enough spelling mistakes.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_04: Because your fingers are overlapping on top.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've got fat fingers, so yeah, little ones are just not good for me.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: I like a big chunky.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: Do you mean the little tiny flip top ones at one point?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like little pebbles.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: There was a pebble, yeah.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: There was a little bit funny the way things we've got anyway.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's nothing to do with anything to do with Dominatrix or anything there.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: Just anyway, we're gonna go! So, are we gonna do the binge watching thing?
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can you remember it?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Or shall I just do it?
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_04: If you're binge watching, put the kettle on.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_04: Otherwise, we'll see you next week.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see you in five.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_04: Otherwise.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_04: I've got nearly.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to do it again?
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember it now.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're binge watching for the kettle, we'll see you in five.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: If not, we'll see you next week.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 1:01:19
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• 1:01:25
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where I'm going next, but I'll come and still catch you soon.