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The Bolt Report | 30 December · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: It's the report. Good evening, welcome to the program, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. Nice to have your company. I'm kil Richards,
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  Speaker 1: filling in for the Burrilliant Andrew Bolt, who is not
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  Speaker 1: here tonight. He's just wonderful. Coming up on the Bulk
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  Speaker 1: Report tonight. A whole lot of things that are really important.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, as Victoria struggles with a crime crisis,
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  Speaker 1: the news comes today that the state is running out
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  Speaker 1: of police officers. We'll get a look at that soon.
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  Speaker 1: And while Chris Bowen says Australia is on track to
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  Speaker 1: meet its renewables energy targets well, the reports say the
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  Speaker 1: numbers suggest the opposite. Victorian farmers are being hammered on
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  Speaker 1: all sides by new intrusive government laws and the long
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  Speaker 1: southeast dry that has left many struggling and desperate. And
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  Speaker 1: as Australia rushes to the beach for the summer, that
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  Speaker 1: anumber of drownings is increasing. How can we save lives?
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  Speaker 1: Those stories and more tonight on the program. But first
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  Speaker 1: tonight's I want to begin with the word hubris. It's
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  Speaker 1: the word I focused on this morning in my daily
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  Speaker 1: newsletter on words that I send out from my OZ
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  Speaker 1: Word's website every day. Now, if you're unfamiliar with the
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  Speaker 1: word hubris, I should explain. Hubris comes from a Greek
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  Speaker 1: source word. In fact, it is a Greek word to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, from the classical culture of ancient Greece. The
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  Speaker 1: word hubris is only recorded in English from eighteen eighty five,
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  Speaker 1: but well before that it was a bit of academic
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  Speaker 1: slang from ancient Greek used by all the classical scholars. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in that ancient world of Greek mythology and all those
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  Speaker 1: ancient gods and the Greek pantheon, hubris came to be
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  Speaker 1: meaning overweening presumption that led a person to disregard the
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  Speaker 1: will of the gods on Olympus, you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do that. But the word hubris is still being used today,
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  Speaker 1: used figuratively. And here's the definition. This comes to the
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  Speaker 1: Great American Dictionary, the Merriam Webster. Hubris means overweening pride
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  Speaker 1: or self confidence and arrogance. And that's what Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 1: is displaying every time he refuses to hold a federal
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  Speaker 1: National Royal commission into the Bondai terrorist attack. It's not
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  Speaker 1: the gods of the ancient Greek mythology he's defying in
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  Speaker 1: his arrogance, it's us, it's the will of the Australian people.
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  Speaker 1: He knows that not only the victims, not only the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish community, but pretty much the whole of the wider
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  Speaker 1: Australian community is clamoring for a proper national royal commission.
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  Speaker 1: But in his hubris, his overweening pride and self confidence,
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  Speaker 1: his arrogance, he claims he knows better than everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: So no, no, no, we're all wrong and we don't need
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  Speaker 1: to be bothered by a federal royal commission. The great
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  Speaker 1: Austrian British philosophers are Carl Popper, in his classic book
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  Speaker 1: The Open Society and Its Enemy said, quote, the test
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  Speaker 1: of a democracy is how responsive a government is to
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  Speaker 1: its people in between elections. Well, don't you think Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Albaneze has just failed that test? I mean, he knows
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is not an electioneer. So he decided,
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  Speaker 1: in his arrogance to ignore the demos, the people and
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  Speaker 1: tell us we're all stupid, we don't know what we're
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  Speaker 1: calling for. He knows better than all of us. He
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  Speaker 1: really does, seem to hold the people of Australia in
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  Speaker 1: complete contempt. He keeps bleeding on about setting up the
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  Speaker 1: Richardson review into federal agencies, but he knows that what
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  Speaker 1: we the people want is an investigation not just into
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  Speaker 1: federal agencies, but into the federal government. This prime minister,
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  Speaker 1: this trembling, terrified, bumbling bureaucrat who talks like an inter
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  Speaker 1: office memo, This prime Minister is so arrogant he refuses
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  Speaker 1: to allow his own decisions, his own actions, to be
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  Speaker 1: reviewed or investigated by anybody, certainly not by Dennis Rick
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  Speaker 1: in terms of reference. Albanese he spelled out yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: in doing so, he made it clear that his policies,
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  Speaker 1: his actions, his decisions are not up for investigation or
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  Speaker 1: discussion or debate. End of that. He's just above all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Now, I ask you, does that look like
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  Speaker 1: overweening pride and arrogance? Does that look to you like hubris?
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  Speaker 1: You can see, can't you?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: I chose the word hubris to label Albanese's performance at
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  Speaker 1: yesterday's press conference and really again today this morning at
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  Speaker 1: today's press conference. So how does he think he'll get
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  Speaker 1: away with it? I can tell you how he thinks
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  Speaker 1: we'll forget about it. Anthony Albaneze. He thinks all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff about holding a national Royal Commission is just a
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  Speaker 1: nine day wonder, and the holidays will intervene, and then
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  Speaker 1: by the time we're all back at our desks at
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  Speaker 1: the end of January, all this nonsense will have slipped
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  Speaker 1: from our minds. That's what he really thinks. He believes
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  Speaker 1: that if he just goes on stone walling and blocking
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  Speaker 1: and digging his heels in for long enough, federal politics
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  Speaker 1: will get back to normal in inverted commas, and he
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  Speaker 1: will have got away with it. He holds you in
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  Speaker 1: such contempt. He really thinks you will have forgotten about
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  Speaker 1: the worst terrorist attack ever on Australian soil. He thinks
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  Speaker 1: you will have forgotten that he sat at his desk
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  Speaker 1: for two years and did pretty much nothing about the
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  Speaker 1: vicious Jew hatred that flooded our streets and fire bomb synagogues.
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  Speaker 1: He thinks you'll forget that he jetted off around the
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  Speaker 1: world while jew hating slogans that incited violence were charted
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  Speaker 1: on Australian streets. He certainly thinks that his failures are
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  Speaker 1: way above being investigated or reviewed in a way that
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  Speaker 1: might be open to us. US the rabble, US, the
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  Speaker 1: great unwashed US, the Australian mob. He thinks he is
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  Speaker 1: so far above us, he's not answerable to us. Anthony Albanez,
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  Speaker 1: he is inflicted with I think the worst case of
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  Speaker 1: hubris ever seen in US trade in politics. So will
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  Speaker 1: we get away with it? Well, remember that hubris is
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  Speaker 1: overweening pride. That's the definition. Remember and according to the
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  Speaker 1: old proverb, what does pride come before? It comes before
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  Speaker 1: a fall. So the next time the Prime Minister holds
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  Speaker 1: a new news conference to parade his arrogant refusal to
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  Speaker 1: submit himself and his government to our National Royal Commission,
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  Speaker 1: listen very carefully, and I think you'll hear, quietly in
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  Speaker 1: the background the sound of shovels shifting dirt as he
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  Speaker 1: digs his own political grave. I'll tell you what's not
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  Speaker 1: every program that opens with a classical Greek word. This
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  Speaker 1: is classic television, which we're only doing because you're such
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  Speaker 1: a classic viewer. But right now let's turn to look
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  Speaker 1: at this and other news of the day with Victorian
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  Speaker 1: Liberal MP and Shadow Energy Minister David Davis. David, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the program. We'll get on to anti semitism in
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  Speaker 1: a moment. But first I want to look at a
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  Speaker 1: story which turned up this morning both in The Australian
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  Speaker 1: and in the Herald Sun. Victoria has lost nearly two
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  Speaker 1: hundred or now has two hundred fewer full time police
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  Speaker 1: since Jacina Allen became premier, and at the same time
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  Speaker 1: the state's population has surged recorded crime as judged twenty
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  Speaker 1: five percent. David, is there a crime crisis in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt there's a crime crisis, whether it's you look
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  Speaker 3: at a statewide set of figures more and more crimes
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  Speaker 3: are being committed, or whether I look at my local
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  Speaker 3: electorate and you know, whether it's Burandara or Monash. Crimes
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  Speaker 3: up twenty one percent in Burndara, it's up more than
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  Speaker 3: fifteen percent reported crime in the city of Monash, and
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  Speaker 3: I could go on Glenirah, other municipalities that are part
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  Speaker 3: of Melbourne and much beyond Melbourne too. So crime is up,
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  Speaker 3: the police numbers are down, the population's up. This government
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  Speaker 3: has not got its priorities right. It's not understood that
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  Speaker 3: in fact, because crime is up, we need to we
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  Speaker 3: need to have more police presence, not less. They have
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  Speaker 3: weakened the bail laws and there's a number of questions
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  Speaker 3: around all of that, of course too. But at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, just in raw police terms, there's less police
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  Speaker 3: per head of population than there were just a few
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  Speaker 3: years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now, recently, David, you visited Ashburton Police Station and you
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  Speaker 1: said that this is an example of quote a closure
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  Speaker 1: by stealth. What do you mean by that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's an important police station. The government tried to
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  Speaker 3: close it prior to twenty ten. When we came into government,
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  Speaker 3: we fully staffed and made sure it was able to
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  Speaker 3: work for the community. But now the government over the
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  Speaker 3: last few years has wound back to nothing so that
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  Speaker 3: the police station is never manned, it's always closed. That
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  Speaker 3: is in that Brendara area where crime is up twenty
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  Speaker 3: one percent. I can tell you what This is not
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  Speaker 3: the way to go. If you've got crime rising, you
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  Speaker 3: don't pull police out of local policing roles.
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  Speaker 1: Well, David Davis, let's say it's an election year twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, if there's a Jess Wilson coalition government elected.
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  Speaker 1: What can you guys do to make it better?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we need to make sure we've got enough police
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  Speaker 3: in place. I can tell you what we won't be
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  Speaker 3: doing we won't be closing police stations in key locations,
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  Speaker 3: and we won't be putting that additional pressure on. So
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  Speaker 3: the police men and women in our state buy and large,
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  Speaker 3: do a very good job, and they deserve our support.
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  Speaker 3: They deserve to be supported in sufficient numbers. And you
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  Speaker 3: can't have a huge increase in population and a surge
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  Speaker 3: in crime without the state government responding properly. Now, part
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  Speaker 3: of this is the revolving door that occurs with younger criminals,
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  Speaker 3: in particular, they're apprehended by the police, they're taken to court,
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  Speaker 3: and they're let out again and again again. It almost
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what they do, they are let out, and
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  Speaker 3: despite the government's changes, there doesn't appear to be much different.
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  Speaker 3: So we've been very clear about some of the tougher
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  Speaker 3: rules and laws that we put in place. But part
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  Speaker 3: of this is about policing more generally and making sure
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  Speaker 3: you do have enough police in the places where they're needed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's turn for a moment to this dreadful problem
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  Speaker 1: of antisemitism. The Abinezer government keeps rejecting the calls from
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  Speaker 1: the victims of the Bondike tragedy for a national federal
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  Speaker 1: royal Commission. You're in Victoria. How's the Victorian Jewish community
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  Speaker 1: responding to what's going on with this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, again, my electorate, Southern Metro has a very large
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  Speaker 3: Jewish communityguely the largest in the country, and it's very
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  Speaker 3: clear messages from that night forward, people think what has
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  Speaker 3: occurred Jewish community members and I think most Victorians too,
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  Speaker 3: I think what has occurred is just completely unacceptable. The
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  Speaker 3: government has not done the work over the last two
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  Speaker 3: years to make sure that these matters were dealt with
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  Speaker 3: at the anti Semitism that was clearly rising, and that's
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria too. Again and again in the Parliament we
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  Speaker 3: asked the state government to respond and to actually really
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  Speaker 3: put some brakes on those endless demonstrations that occurred where
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  Speaker 3: there's clearly racist comments being.
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  Speaker 1: David Can, I just interesting that it was in Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: that we saw a Jewish synagogue being fire bombed and
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  Speaker 1: recently Dabbo's car was firebombed. That's happened in your area
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  Speaker 1: just in the last few days. That's right. So are
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  Speaker 1: people angry at Jewish the Jewish community angry there.
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  Speaker 3: They are furious and they say that we haven't had
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  Speaker 3: proper care taken of US and the state government and
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  Speaker 3: the federal government that both of them have not done
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  Speaker 3: what is necessary to push back and be very clear
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  Speaker 3: about what is acceptable and what's not. They continued to
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  Speaker 3: let these demonstrations run week after week, month after month.
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  Speaker 3: They continued to allow on campus demonstrations to occur that
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  Speaker 3: targeted Jewish students. We've seen the writing on the walls
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  Speaker 3: of Jewish schools and the problems there, and as you
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  Speaker 3: correctly say, the synagogue bombing, you would have thought that
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  Speaker 3: was the ultimate wake up call. But it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 3: to have been enough for the state and federal government
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria. At the same time, as you correctly point
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  Speaker 3: out the other night, you know, you've got a a
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  Speaker 3: rabbized car decorated for Hannekah. You would have thought that
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  Speaker 3: this is the sort of thing that ought not be occurring.
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  Speaker 3: How is it that that is allowed to occur. Why
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  Speaker 3: is the state government and the federal government not taken
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  Speaker 3: the steps that are necessary. That's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: we do need a full royal commission. We do need
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  Speaker 3: to be very clear about the need for these matters
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  Speaker 3: to be looked at comprehensively.
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  Speaker 1: What's happened in Victoria. Clearly a new South Wales Royal
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  Speaker 1: Commission is not going to be big enough. Is it
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  Speaker 1: to cover what's happening in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: No, and it won't cover those decisions that are made
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  Speaker 3: right around the country that relate to you know, why
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  Speaker 3: did state governments, why did the federal government not act
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  Speaker 3: earlier on anti Semitism? The warnings were there, the very
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  Speaker 3: clear messages were there. You need to act, you need
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  Speaker 3: to stop these racist messes just being put out into
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  Speaker 3: the community. And every one of those demonstrations had people
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  Speaker 3: saying and I'm not going to repeat those words, but
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  Speaker 3: it's very clear that they were targeted at the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 3: targeted at Israel in a very direct way. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: kids going to school should not encounter these sorts of
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  Speaker 3: messages on the schools. Synagogues should be sacred places that
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  Speaker 3: are protected and not bombed in the way that occurred
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  Speaker 3: here at a DACE in.
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  Speaker 1: The David Davis, thank you for your time tonight. Now
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  Speaker 1: let's turn to the subject of the renewables target set
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  Speaker 1: by the Albanisi labor government being administered by the brilliant
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  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen, and it looks as though their target for
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty, which is eighty two percent renewables, is not
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  Speaker 1: going to get there. It could be years out. There
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  Speaker 1: are rising costs, there are bottlenecks, There are a whole
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  Speaker 1: string of problems now. To talk about what's gone wrong
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  Speaker 1: and where they're going and whether they'll ever get there,
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  Speaker 1: the man who knows the most is the environment editor
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  Speaker 1: at The Australian, Graham Lloyd Graham, Good evening, Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the program, Thanks for.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us, Good evening, cal thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if they can't build the projects fast enough, if
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  Speaker 1: they just can't get the investment fast enough, are their
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  Speaker 1: targets totally unrealistic?
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, there certainly was a time kell and it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't that long ago when the targets that Australia set
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  Speaker 4: were ones that it knew it could meet. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that was something that was consistent all the way
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  Speaker 4: through the Howard government particularly and into the Abbot government.
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  Speaker 4: But things have changed in this area. It's become an
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  Speaker 4: international contest if you like to project large targets, and
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  Speaker 4: most countries have got no thoughts of actually meeting them.
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  Speaker 4: Australia has put a hefty target for twenty thirty. It's
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  Speaker 4: now obvious that we are a long way short of
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  Speaker 4: being able to deliver on that target, and that was
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  Speaker 4: probably pretty obvious from the outset.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say what worries Meugraham, is that we've got
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  Speaker 1: this business of trying to do what they're calling it
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  Speaker 1: a transition, aren't they. So the idea is you transition
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  Speaker 1: from a cul fired power to renewable power, and they're
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  Speaker 1: renewable to a very slow coming on board. But they've
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  Speaker 1: they appear to have locked in dates to shut down
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  Speaker 1: coal power, a raing are set to a shut down.
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  Speaker 1: It looks as though there could be a gap in
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  Speaker 1: the middle and this won't be a transition at all,
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  Speaker 1: and we will suddenly be without sufficient dispatchable power in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, could something disastrous happen?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's something that is concentrating the minds
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  Speaker 4: of the people who've been promising for so long that
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  Speaker 4: it's all going to be a smooth transition. There's a
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  Speaker 4: very firm date for closing the power and a very
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  Speaker 4: loose date for replacing it with stuff that works.
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  Speaker 2: And you'll remember it wasn't long ago we were.
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  Speaker 4: Told that there would be this urge in new technologies
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  Speaker 4: hydrogen and what have you that would replace coal and
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  Speaker 4: gas to back everything up, and that's all been shelved
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  Speaker 4: because it's not going to work. So there is the
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  Speaker 4: real possibility that coal fired power stations will be exiting
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  Speaker 4: when there's not enough in reserve to keep the system going.
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  Speaker 4: And all that means is that there's going to be
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary costs either in limping the coal stations along or
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  Speaker 4: building something that is going to work and muddling on
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  Speaker 4: a very messy transition path.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I don't want to be unkind of Chris Bown. No, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I do want to be unkind to Chris Bonin. Let's
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  Speaker 1: be honest. He seems to be focusing on things which
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  Speaker 1: are not practical. He seems not to be facing the
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  Speaker 1: real science and the real engineering issues. I mean, is
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  Speaker 1: there a lack of contact with reality here?
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  Speaker 4: I think certainly politicians have been told things that they've
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  Speaker 4: wanted to hear and believe and they've turned out not
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  Speaker 4: to be true. I think engineers who were involved in
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  Speaker 4: the power systems that used to be we're always very
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  Speaker 4: skeptical about the replacements that were being promised, and that's
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  Speaker 4: catching up with the political class who are used to
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  Speaker 4: things in documents and not so much out there in
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  Speaker 4: the serious real world.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to perform a bit of magic here, Graham.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to annoint you as being austraight as energy minister.
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  Speaker 1: What will you change?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think you'd certainly have to lean on gas
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  Speaker 4: a lot harder, and you're seeing a recognition of that
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  Speaker 4: by the federal government.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you would need to sit.
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  Speaker 5: Down and work out a plan that you can guarantee
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  Speaker 5: will deliver across a set time horizon and start putting
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  Speaker 5: that into place, because there's no use just assuming that
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  Speaker 5: things are going to come good, because the evidence is
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  Speaker 5: they're not.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Just quickly, our vehicles, the vehicles we drive, there
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  Speaker 1: are emissions targets which have been announced by Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 1: which will mean that the beloved petrol and diesel vehicles, tradees,
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  Speaker 1: utes and so on are going to become more and
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  Speaker 1: more expensive next year. I gather they're just going to
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  Speaker 1: name and shame the auto the carmakers who don't reach
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  Speaker 1: those targets, and then after that they'll start pedalizing them.
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  Speaker 1: Am I right in thinking, Graham, that in fact Europe
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  Speaker 1: is pulling back from those kinds of emissions rules.
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  Speaker 4: Well, certainly they set very strict targets in terms of
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  Speaker 4: when they would eliminate internal combustion engines all together and
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  Speaker 4: everything would be batteries. They're backpedaling on that because the
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  Speaker 4: bottom line is consumers don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To buy all electric cars.
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  Speaker 4: And I noticed the federal government is looking at some
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  Speaker 4: name and shame mechanism for carmakers who don't deliver enough
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: lower missions vehicles. Well, the problem is that carmakers can
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: only sell vehicles that customers want to buy, so shame
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: them for that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think the customers are going to care to much.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Then they're going to find them and the result of
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that will be that the cars that consumers do want
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: will become more expensive.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we won't be happy about that, Graham Lloyd,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time tonight. Yes, in fact,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I think we're going to go on buying cars, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: if the new ones become more expensive, we'll just buy
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: more secondhand cars. And that won't do anything for emissions,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: will it. Now in Victoria, farmers are facing a lot
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of very difficult problems, partly battling the state government, but
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: also partly battling are great, dry and the normal difficulties
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that farmers always face their problems. Coming up next, I'll
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: tell you what you wouldn't want to be a farmer
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: in Australia these days. Farming has always been a very
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: tough job, but it's getting tougher. One of the big
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: issues for regional and rural Victoria this year is legislation
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: passed by the Outland Labor Government which has granted companies
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the right to enter private land without consent as part
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of planning for something called the V and I. That's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the Victoria New South Wales interconnector West Route. See only
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: bureaucrats can invent labels like that, can't they. This is
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a massive grid that's proposed transmission lines connecting Victoria with
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: New South Wales going over farmland and you've got no
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: right to stop them doing it. A series of protests
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and confrontations between landowners and power company executives have been on.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: There's been a fight over land access. It's rich boiling point.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Glend of Our Sheep producer Ben Duckson has been among
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the producers leading this push back this year and he
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: joins us now, Ben, welcome to the program. Now for
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: those people who are watching us outside Victoria, tell us
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: what it is that Victorian landowners are facing at the moment.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: So the V and I West looks to basically cut
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Victorian half. It's coming from Bulgana in the center south
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: of Stall to up to New South Wales border as well.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: So it's a five hundred kV transmission line. We don't
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: think it'll lend it just one line. Think it'd be
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: a second and third line with the amount of caveats
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: that are going on people's places. So we've been in
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: this fight for three years coming up March next.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Year to be into the fourth year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: So done a lot of unpacking of it, and we
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: don't think it's the right project for Australia. And it's
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: certainly not an affordable project and it will only decrease
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: reable power reliability, increase prices and also harm food supply
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: and affordability.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Actually, the food supply is what concerns those of us
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: who live in the city. We are counting upon you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and the farmers to feed us. If you're a farmer
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and they tell you this is coming to your place,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: what can you do about it?
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not a lot of it makes any sense cal
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: they're saying seventy percent of agricultural land needs to be
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: taken up with this, and then and on top of that,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: there's mining on top, which basically leaves us with nothing there. No,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: we've banded together, we're getting a lot of support out there.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: In twenty twenty six, it'll be the farmer's fight back,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: will be making sure we're at the gate stopping it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: We've already done it late late this year. We've already
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: stopped them once trying to get compulsory access. And that's
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: what it's about. It's about a whole heap of dirty
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: tricks that they're trying to use to compulsory access. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: then Alistair Parker comes out and says he's going to
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: show us how compulsory access looks respectfully. Well, I mean
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: this company has no morals or values. They don't do
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: anything respectfully. The dirty tricks, the slander, the intimidation, the sucception,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: the bully of the railroad that we've all been involved
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: with is just nowhere near good enough for a government organization.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: And we're here to say, well, no, this project's not
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: going to go ahead, and we'll stand in line.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Ben twenty twenty six is an election here in Victoria.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Will this be an election issue?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It has to be.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: It has to be a massive, I mean astray. It's
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: got all the natural minerals or the natural energy we
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: need here in Australia. We just we don't need to
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: go down to this path. It's going to send us broke.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: The way we're doing it. It's not good for the environment,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: as we said, it's not good for the farming agricultural products.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: So there is better ways. We've always said, just stop
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: get let's get this right for the next one hundred
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: two hundred years. Energy is too important to not get right.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: At the moment, it's just a free for all for
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: the billionaires out there, the multinationals, the institutional and ex
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: politicians at all got their snouts in the trough and
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: just soaking up these subsidies that are just never ending.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: Its rivers of gold, of subsidies that taxpayer subsidies that's
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: just not affordable and not helping our grid.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Now, if you had any conversations with Jess Wilson or
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the coalition opposition, they will if they win the election.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Will it be different.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: Well, our indications at the moment say maybe not, but
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: we haven't had those conversations with them. We'll build into
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: that into twenty twenty six and we'll see where they sit.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: If they want to keep going ahead with this, we'll
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: all take the fight up to them because we know
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: this isn't a project that is going to be any
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: good for Australia and we will stand at the gate.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And we've gained massive.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Support, the support, and I think these political parties really
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: need to stand up and to take notice of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: support we are gaining. We had four hundred at one
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: of the local showdowns here and we've got hundreds and
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: hundreds of requests of other people saying let us know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: we'll bring bus loads out next time. So this is
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: a movement. This is a grassroots movement of people in Australia.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: And as I said, this is a farmer's fight back
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: and anyone can jump on board and we'll certainly host
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: accept any people that want to jump on board. But
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: the support is out there for it, we'll start to
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: harness that put it into a way that the politicians
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: actually know that people don't want this and we do
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: expect cheap, reliable electricity and reliable and affordable food source
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: in Australia and we're prepared to do that. We just
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: need to stop this ridiculous that these governments are going on.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: With Ben duckson a delight to chat to you. More
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: strength to your arm. I hope you do well in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and thank you for taking the time
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to chat to us tonight. Thanks cal We in the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: city only notice it when suddenly carrots and cabbage cost
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: four times as much. So this sort of thing can
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: go on and our land can be ruined and we
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: just don't know about it. Let's stay in Victoria. Let's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: stay in rural Victoria, because we know the stress that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: farmers normally live under. It's hard for the farmers, it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: hard for their families. One of the hardest forms of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: farming is dairy farming. With dairy farming, you have to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: milk the cows twice a day every day. The cows demanded.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: You can't not do that, so it's an exhausting business
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and you've got no control over the price you get
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: at the farm gate for your milk. So it's a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: stressful business to be in. Any way. Well, now there
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: is a new calendar. It's put out by Gypsy sorry, Gippsland, Jersey,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and it's a calendar which I think is called the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Farming Conversation Calendar, and for each month of the year,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it highlights the stories of one particular farming family in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Victoria twelve stories in the calendar altogether, and talks about
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the challenge as they face and how they've had an
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: exceptionally dry year on top of everything else. Sally Jones
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: is the co founder of the local milk brand, Gippsland, Jersey,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and she is the brains behind this awareness campaign. Sally,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. What's the idea? What is the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: message you want this calendar to get across?
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: The calendar is all about creating conversations that reduce the
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: social stigma around mental health, especially in rural communities.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: For me, the.
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: Calendar all came about eight eight years ago for when
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: I really realized the power of storytelling. My dad, who
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: is a dairy farmer, was sitting here on my family
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: dairy farm that is no longer a dairy farm. My
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: dad is a statistic Unfortunately, he did take his life
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: in twenty sixteen and I guess I've created something that
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: I want to channel myself the grief into creating some
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: positive You know, what can we do in this mental
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: health space for farmers because it is the highest profession
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: where people take their lives in Okay.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: We can't do anything to make it rain in a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: dry season, but something can be done and making sure
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: there is adequate mental health. So is there sufficient mental
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: support in rural communities?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Look, cal there's not.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: I think there's so much more we can do from
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: my lived experience of me living with my dad who
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: suffered depression and psychosis for three years and we supported
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: him as a family. And in those three years, our
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: journey was that we presented to the GP. We had
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: a ten minute conversation with that doctor who prescribed some antidepressants,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: little white pills, and that was it. He said, to
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: see how you go and my sister they're all nurses, etc.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: But we really didn't know where to turn to. We
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: didn't really feel like we had any help. I feel like, yes,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: that was a number of years ago.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Things have changed. We can have more conversations.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: But when you're in a moment of crisis, where do
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: you turn to?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Who do you see?
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: Yes you can call Triple zero, Yes you can go
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: and see your GP, But what else can we do
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: because those people are already those professionals are already under
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: pressure and they cannot give you the time and the
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: space and the holistic approach to what you need because
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: you know, mental health isn't just a one size fits
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: all situation. There are many different variables that contribute to
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: people's health.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yep. Now, one of the things you've done solely is
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to produce this calendar as an awareness raising exercise so
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the rest of us can discover what's going on. There
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: are twelve stories being told there. Pick one of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: stories tell us.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: I would love to tell you about Tom. He's a
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: twenty one year old private school boy from Melbourne who
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: has had no experience in dairy farming. And when I
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: went and spoke to Tom about you know, he got
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: a fantastic enter score. He could have chosen to do anything,
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: but he's chosen dairy farming and he just talks about
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: the one downside of being in dairy is the loneliness
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: and that it's just it is what it is. You know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: it's a very solo kind of profession. You don't have
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: necessarily a team around you. So we at Gippsland, Jersey
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: are launching our very first podcast because the calendar stories.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: There's only like two hundred words in this calendar and
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: we don't feel like gives its justice. So we have
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: created a podcast.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Tom is going to be on there.
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: We're rolling this out on the first of January, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: he's going to be sharing about his journey and yeah
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: that and touching on that lonely thing. And we really
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: hope that the industry can change because we need young
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: people in dairy. We need them to be entering in
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: and milking cows so that we can all have our
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: lat aes, etc. So I'm really excited for everyone to
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: hear and see Tom.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Indeed, okay, when we need a copy of the calendar
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and I'll give people the address where they can get
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in touch in just a moment. Sally Jones, thank you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: very much for your time. Look, it's a great awareness
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: raising and welfare program. Now at the bottom of the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: screen you can see an address which is a web
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: address Gippslandjersey dot com dot au. If you go there,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you can see the calendar and you can purchase a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: copy and you can be part of this process. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: we were talking about depression and people who feel that
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: their lives are they're not coping well with their lives.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That reminds you that lifeline is always available, the telephone
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: number thirteen eleven fourteen if you think you need help. Well,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: summertime and what happens in summer Ozzies go to the beach,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and when we go to the beach, the sad thing
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is people drown. It should not be happening, it is happening.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: How can we save those lives? The answers after this
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: welcome back Kildrich's filling in for Andrew Bolt. The latest
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: drownings report from Surf Life Saving Australia found there were
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty seven drowning deaths in the twelve
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: months from June twenty twenty four to June twenty twenty five.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It's the highest in a twelve month period since records
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: began to pick on Victoria and we have rather picking
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: on Victoria tonight. In Victoria alone, there have been twenty
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: fatal drownings since July of this year. Now. Alarmingly, more
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: than half of those drownings occurred at home, with the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: average age of the person who drowned being fifty one years,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: so it's not just little kids who are drowning. They
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: appear to be a bit safer because of the prevalence
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of pool fences and more awareness. So we're in a
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: summer full swing. Life saving groups say more needs to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: be done to improve our swimming skills, which they saw
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: are at the lowest levels for decades. And here to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: discuss this and more. Manager of Research and Evaluation from
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Life Serving Victoria, doctor Headah Grafrey, Doctor Head, A good evening,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. These statistics are pretty dire of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: what and I also discovered by the way that the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: age group the demographic group most likely to die at
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the beach of males over the age of sixty five.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks for having me so, I mean, the joining
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: statistics are quite confronting and I think go against what
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: we would normally assume to be you know, different types
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: of people drowning, and we do see people over the
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: age of sixty five to be most at risk of
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: joanning in Victoria and Australia. Often this can be side
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: effects of medication and different health conditions and also perhaps
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: skills that haven't been practiced in some time, maybe getting
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: in the way of enjoying the water safely. So we've
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: got some really strong messages for people that are in
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: that age backet and particularly if you've got parents within
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: that age to just make sure that recognize any sort
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: of skill limitating they might have, or side effects of
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: medication that can cause dizziness. For this age group, we
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: can see slips, trips, and falls being a common cause
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: for drowning, and particularly in the home environment too, in
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: backyard pools and even bathtubs compose a drowning risk for
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: this age group. So there's quite a few different risk
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: factors and being aware and proactive against that is really important.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Actually, looking at that older age group, do swimming skills
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: ever decline? I mean, as blokes get older and the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: muscles are not as strong as they once were. Can
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: blokes have because of the Y chromosome, an absurd level
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of confidence and think they can still do what they
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: did when they were twenty? Is that what happens?
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we can see a change in abilities as people age,
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: but ultimately they can improve and you can maintain your
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: fitness and your skill and regardless of your ability. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: our message really is for people that if you're a
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: bit unsure about what your skills are. You can go
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: to your public pools. They're the safest places to swim.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: They're controlled environments. Cards can keep an eye on you
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: and you can do some laps practice your skills before
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: then going to the beat if you want to go
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: at one of those lifeguarded spots.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the children. I've got a couple of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: grandsons once five, one seven. They go to swimming lessons
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: every single week. The seven year old's already quite a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: strong swimmer. The five year olds getting there. Does that
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: not apply to wall Astrolian children? We just assume all
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: lossie kids learned to swim. Is that not the case now?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Fortunately not.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: We do have national benchmarks for swimming on water safety
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: from Royal Life Saving Society Australia, and that indicates that
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: every child at by age twelve should be able to
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: swim fifty meters so two laps of the standard pool
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: and should be able to float or treadwater for two minutes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: And some recent research has shown that about fifty percent
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: of children can't meet these expectations. So this is quite
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: a concern and something that we're really trying to push
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: parents in caregivers spot to enroll their children in swimming
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: on water safety lessons and to keep them enrolled. We
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: know that many children actually pulled out of those lessons.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: They may have conflicting sporting commitments, the cost might get
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: too much. The access to those lessons can also be
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: a limiting factor as well. But if any of those
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: reasons are in play, like you can take again your
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: kids to the public pool. Just get them familiar with
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: being in and around the water, how their body moves
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: and feels in the water can be really preventative and
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: it can actually deter them from going in the water
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: if they know they don't have the skills to deal
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: with it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Is there an issue with migrants who come here and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: who just don't understand how the system works. They don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: understand swim between the flags, don't recognize what the red
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and white flags mean on the beach. Is that possible?
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So we do know that drowning is a real
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: concern for people from multicultural backgrounds and for people born overseas.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Drowning's among overseas sorry, a third of drownings in Australia
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: among people who are born overseas. And we're really encouraging
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: any type of education or water safety lessons that they
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: can take to train upskill. But we know that there
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: are many barriers in place, for example, access and cost
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: to these types of lessons. We've got some colleagues at
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: Manass University that are doing some fabulous work with English
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: language requirements for visas and putting border safety messaging into
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: that which has really shown some positive results.
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: But ultimately as.
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: Well, we know that many people that jan in Australia
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: were also born in Australia. In Victoria, for example, almost
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: half of jowning's occurred involve people drowning within their own
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: residential postcode, so it was locals drowning in local waterways.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: And so what we're.
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: Really advocating for is for people to not be complacent
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  Speaker 8: around any type of water, even if it's your backyard.
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: If it's a river that you go to a lot
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: or the local beach, you can't relax your vigilance. So
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: just be really mindful and keep it friend of mine.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I've read a new story recently about I think there
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: was a young look who died. He was swimming at
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: night at the beach. And when I look at someone
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: thinking about swimming at night, I just think you can't
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: see any gros. You've got no idea what's going on.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: That's nuts. Do people really lose things.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: Like that, Yeah, unfortunately they do, and we do see
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: some tragic stories from people doing that risk taking behavior,
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: you know, combining alcohol and they're swimming, which we really
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: advocate against. They're not wearing life jackets when they go
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: boating or fishing, and they're swimming at night by themselves
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: at locations at lifeguards are not. So what we're really
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: encouraging Australians, particularly during the summertime where we're going to
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: the water to cool off, is if you are going,
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: make sure that you're going with somebody else, you tell
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: someone when you're coming back. You go to those patrolled
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: locations where lifeguards can keep an eye on you. There's
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: a great website called the Beach Safe app or Beach
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: Safe website, and that will tell you about where all
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: of the patrolled lifeguard locations are along Australia's coastline, so
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: you can make sure that you can go to the
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: closest ones you and enjoy the beach safely.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: The summer doctor hennah Graf, you thank you very much
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: for your time, and she talked about a beach safe
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a website and a beach safe apps. Very good idea,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so just to have a look at it would be
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a good start, wouldn't it. Okay? Coming up in a moment,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: we're going to the UK and they are very impressed
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: by the idea that's been taken up in Australia that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: kids under the age of sixteen should be blocked from
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: social media. Will it happen in the UK as well?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: We'll find out that and more after this, and welcome
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: back now to the latest news in the UK and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the news that a majority of Brits would apparently support
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: an Australia style ban on social media for the under sixteens,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: as the UK government has been worned that quote, the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: status quo is failing children. To talk about that and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: much more, Heriskai News contributor and News Corps Australian European
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  Speaker 1: correspondent Sophie Ellsworth, Sophie, lovely.
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: To chat to you again, Lovely to babd Coal.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Now the jury is out on what it's going to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: do in Australia. This only happened here three weeks ago
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: on the tenth of December, so we don't know if
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it's going to work or not. But I gather there's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: been lot of talk about this in the UK. Has
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: there been much publicity there?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, Kel, look on the front of the Sunday Mirror
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: newspaper on the weekend there was a poll published that
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: showed sixty four percent of Briton's actually support the same
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: social media ban that we have implemented in Australia.
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  Speaker 9: Now.
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  Speaker 10: Sakia Sama has previously said that he has no plans
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: to implement such ban. However, a government spokesperson has come
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: out and repeatedly said that they are monitoring what we
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: are doing in Australia on the social media ban for
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: under sixteens very closely. There's a lot of concern here,
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: Kel about the damage that social media can due to
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: young children and whether.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: Or not they should be able to access it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: So at this stage they are not implementing the same ban,
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: but they are certainly watching it very closely.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Let's turn to another story because there's a fascinating and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: slightly confusing story about a man who has dual British
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  Speaker 1: Egyptian citizenship. He's been in jail in Egypt. Various British governments,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: conservative and labor have been lobbying very hard to get
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: him out again. He's now out back with his family
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  Speaker 1: on Boxing Day, and then it turns out there are
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: some very nasty anti Semitic tweets in his history. So
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: everyone is looking embarrassed about this. What's the story, Sourfing.
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  Speaker 10: Well, that's right, Kel, there's been a furor that's erupted
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: over here, and just on the front pages of the
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: papers here today we have the Daily Express saying furious
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: Sarma refuses to deport Egyptian extremists, and another one here
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: on the Daily Mail. Extremist is still welcome in the UK,
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: says Starma. Now there's real concern here, Kel, because this
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: dual national, abd l Apha has returned.
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: To the UK from Egypt.
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: He was held over there for various things that he
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: had said, apparently spreading fake news.
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: He was locked up in Egypt, but he wanted to
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: come here to Britain.
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: His mother is a British national, and so Kirs Starmer
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: posted on social media the other day that he's now
• 42:09
  Speaker 10: returned here and he's thrilled that he helped allow this.
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: But it's since emerged that he had these pretty disgraceful tweets,
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: some of them kell Ogg just read to you, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: he said on them he called Britain's dogs and monkeys,
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: and he called for all Zionists to be killed, and
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: he boasted of hatred for white people. Now these are appalling,
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: appalling tweets that he says were misconstrued. I don't know
• 42:36
  Speaker 10: how that could possibly be misconstrued. But now a debate
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: has erupted. Should this man be allowed to reside here
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: in Britain? And is this okay because of the threats
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: obviously to the Jewish community that are worldwide, but that
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: we have seen here in Britain, and also what we've
• 42:54
  Speaker 10: just seen at Bondi Beach, the atrocities there. So there's
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: real concern here that Kirs Starmer came out endorsed this
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: man and now it's backfired massively.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And in fact I hear that both Kemmy Badnock from
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the leader of the Conservatives and Nigel Farage have called
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: for his citizenship to be taken away and for the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: man to be deported. Is there much of a cry
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for that to happen?
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: There absolutely is, kell but look it's a slippery slope.
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of talkback radio here today saying okay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: so do we start trawling through everyone's social media and
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: saying should they be kicked out of.
• 43:28
  Speaker 9: The country or not?
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: Not forgetting We had that mother from Nottingham, Lucy Connelly,
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: who made that atrocious tweet about saying people should burn
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: down migrant hotels.
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: She was jailed for over a year for.
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: That tweet, despite the fact that she apologized and removed
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: it very quickly.
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: So this is a very slippery slope, Kel, But there
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: is extreme concern that this man is back in Britain.
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: The Prime Minister has endorsed him, and it's backfired on
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: him massively.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: In the fact of skis it does have a bit
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: of a reputation of being not good at reading the room.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: And he said, oh, the man's apologized, that should be enough,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but clearly it's not enough, is it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: Well, these are historical tweets, Kel, some of them are
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: from over a decade ago. But the fact is they're
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: atrocious what he wrote, and they were out there for
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: a very long time and there was concern over his
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: social media.
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: This is not a new thing.
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: But when it was emerged that the Prime Minister decided
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: to post on Twitter that this man is coming back
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: to Britain. Of course, all these old tweets are dug
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: up which are now deleted and he goes the story.
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: So whether he remains in Britain there looks like there's
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: an investigation into it. But this is not going away
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: and a real own goal for the labor government.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, President Donald Trump has met with Volodimir Zelenski again
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in mar Lago. This time and before that he had
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a phone conversation with Putin. Now Trump is saying, oh, yes,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: we're ninety five percent of the way there to getting
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: some sort of agreement. There need to be security guarantees
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that need to be provided to Ukraine, which might involve
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: European country, so potentially the UK. Has there been any
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: reaction in the UK to this latest round of meetings.
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: Well, of course it's been making headlines here Kel, but
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: it seems to be in the public. Here a bit
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: of this. Here we go again, there's another meeting. Trump
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: is saying this war could end within weeks. We know
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: that he've said several times the war would end very
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: quickly once he got into office.
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: That has not happened.
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: So I think people are getting a little bit of
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: fatigue with this, there is no doubt there is extreme
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: concern about the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. But
• 45:45
  Speaker 10: it seems like there is not going to be a
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: possibility of this ending anytime soon. And obviously Trump needs
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: to have Putin on side, and Putin does not look
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: like he's going to concede this war. So it looks
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: like it's going to go on for some time yet.
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: But there's no doubt the world is watching this very closely.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: If memory serves me correctly, Sophie. At one stage both
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Emmanual Macron and Kirstarma said if there need to be
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: troops with boots on the ground in Ukraine as some
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: kind of international peacekeeping force, we will contribute troops. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: could this end up actually being a practical issue that
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Britain is directly involved in.
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: Well, we know that Britain and the European Union have
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: gathered together to say that they will support Ukraine in
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: whatever way that they can.
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: But Trump has warned that if this war does.
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: Not end very soon, there's going to be thousands of
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: more people killed unfortunately in this battle. So yes, they're
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: saying these countries are saying they'll get behind Ukraine. But
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: it just doesn't seem Kel like this is close to
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: coming to an end at this point in time.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But there is commitment by Starma to back up NATO
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: allies in Europe to do whatever he needs to do.
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: They have previously said that yes, and Kirs Starmer has
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: been very vocal on this, saying that he will support
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: Ukraine in whatever way that he can. But when the
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: bush comes to the shove, this war is still going
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: on and we're still seeing attacks happening.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: They're in the news all the time. So how this
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: will come to an end remains to be seen.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Look just quickly, I know when I say the words
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan, people will start to flinch. They should
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: have a warning sire room when this happens. But one
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: of their ages has quit. They seem to go through
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of age, don't they. What's happening this time, Sophie.
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: That's right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: One of their aides, James Holt, one of their key allies,
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: has just resigned. He's moving back from la to London.
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: He's resigned. But just this week, a couple of days earlier,
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: Kel the Sussex has lost their eleventh publicists in five years.
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: Meredith Mainz resigned after just twelve months the role.
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: Eleven publicists in five years. That's not really.
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: A good number to have to your name, and it
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: seems like they are very difficult to work for, so
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: they seem to have a revolving door of staff leaving
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: the place.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: In fact, she was the woman who helped to set
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: up the meeting between Harry and King Charles that looked
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like it might start to rebuild the relationship and she's gone,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: so it looks as though no one can stay with them,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: look Sophie, it's been a delight chatting to you and
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: we will talk again. Thanks very much for your time.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: Thanks cal.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Surphie Elsworth there the news Court correspondent in Britain and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: our correspondent in Great Britain. Well that's the Andrew Bold
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: program for tonight, more tomorrow night and on Friday night.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I'll be back for those and look forward to your company.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Then remember tomorrow night, New Year's Eve. You need to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: behave yourself. Okay, let's go out of the Great Debate
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: and here let's go to fraile Leitch