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Interview with Clyde from New York · Punk, Love, & Compassion

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  Welcome
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  to
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  Punk
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  Love
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  and
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  compassion
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  on
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  this,
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  Clyde.
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  You
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  got
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  involved
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  in
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  the
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  greater
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  punk
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  hardcore
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  scene
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  up
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  there
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  in
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  what,
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  the
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  late
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  80s,
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  early
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  90s,
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  early
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  90s,
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  say
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  92
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  was
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  the
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  first
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  I
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  was
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  aware
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  of.
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  Cool.
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  Okay,
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  so
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  too
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  far
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  into
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  that,
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  I
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  was
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  keeping
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  things
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  on
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  my
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  side.
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  I
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  know
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  I
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  say
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  this
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  every
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  episode,
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  but
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  just
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  make
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  sure
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  you
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  all
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  still
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  realize
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  that
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  one.
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  I
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  am
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  not
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  a
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  professional.
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  Not
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  a
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  professional
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  podcaster.
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  I
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  just
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  think
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  that
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  have
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  stories
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  out
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  there
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  and
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  those
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  stories
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  deserve
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  to
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  be
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  heard
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  and
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  that
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  the
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  people
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  most
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  people
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  I'm
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  talking
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  to
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  aren't
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  like
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  the
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  big
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  quote
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  unquote,
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  like
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  stars
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  in
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  the
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  scene.
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  It's
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  like
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  I
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  said,
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  everybody
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  has
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  a
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  story
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  to
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  be
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  told
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  and
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  I
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  think
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  all
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  those
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  stories
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  deserve
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  to
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  be
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  told.
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  So
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  this
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  is
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  heard.
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  So
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  platform
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  I've
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  created
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  for
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  that.
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  Going
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  back
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  to
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  me
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  not
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  being
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  a
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  professional.
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  You
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  will
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  probably
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  hear
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  my
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  dogs
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  barking
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  in
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  the
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  background.
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  Have
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  a
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  bunch
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  of
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  chickens
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  living
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  in
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  my
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  backyard.
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  They
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  come
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  to
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  the
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  door
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  and
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  peck
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  on
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  the
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  door
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  sometimes.
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  You
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  probably
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  hear
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  that.
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  I
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  also
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  have
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  an
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  11
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  year
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  old
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  and
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  I
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  have
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  a
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  wife
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  and
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  they
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  often
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  forget
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  that
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  I'm
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  recording.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  think
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  that's.
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  it
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  for
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  the
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  housekeeping
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  stuff.
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  So
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  we
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  will
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  start
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  this
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  and
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  to
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  create
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  a
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  baseline
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  like
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  I
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  do
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  in
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  every
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  show.
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  Do
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  you
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  remember
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  what
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  the
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  first
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  punk
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  song
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  you
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  ever
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  heard
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  was?
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  It
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  was
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  Rock
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  and
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  Roll
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  High
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  School
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  by
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  the
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  Ramones.
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  And
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  it's
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  early
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  80s.
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  It
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  was
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  on
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  like
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  regular
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  television.
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  I
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  had
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  no
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  idea
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  who
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  these
• 1:41
  people
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  were
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  or
• 1:42
  what
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  was
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  going
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  on.
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  I
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  was
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  intrigued
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  and
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  I
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  remember
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  them
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  that
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  song.
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  I
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  remember
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  the
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  first
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  scene
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  where
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  they
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  pull
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  up
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  and
• 1:48
  they're
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  riding
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  around
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  like
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  a
• 1:49
  drop
• 1:50
  top
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  Caddy.
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  They're
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  in
• 1:51
  the
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  leather
• 1:52
  MCs
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  and
• 1:53
  they're
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  eating
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  chicken
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  and
• 1:54
  they're
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  singing
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  and
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  they
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  p
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  up
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  to
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  the
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  high
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  school.
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  So
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  were
• 1:58
  you
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  watching
• 1:58
  the
• 1:59
  movie
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  and
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  it
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  came
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  on
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  or
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  did
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  you
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  see
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  the
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  video
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  somewhere?
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  I
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  was
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  watching
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  the
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  movie
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  and
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  that
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  came
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  on.
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  Okay,
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  so
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  you
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  were
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  actually
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  watching
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  Rock
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  and
• 2:07
  Roll
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  High
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  School
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  watch
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  the
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  entire
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  film.
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  Awesome.
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  I
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  might
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  have
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  been
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  about
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  eight.
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  Yeah,
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  that's.
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  That.
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  That's
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  a
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  good
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  introduction.
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  Like,
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  how
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  long
• 2:16
  after
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  that
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  did
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  you
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  become
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  aware
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  that
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  there
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  was
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  a
• 2:20
  greater,
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  like,
• 2:21
  community
• 2:22
  scene?
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  Let's
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  get
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  even
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  more
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  basic.
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  The
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  thing
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  that
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  really
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  intrigued
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  me
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  was
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  the
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  sound
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  of
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  amplified
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  loud
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  electric
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  guitar.
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  You
• 2:31
  put
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  a
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  loud
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  guitar
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  in
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  something
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  and
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  I
• 2:33
  was
• 2:33
  like
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  8,
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  9,
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  10
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  years
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  old.
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  I'm
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  listening.
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  And
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  it
• 2:36
  wasn't
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  a
• 2:36
  lot
• 2:36
  of
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  metal
• 2:37
  or
• 2:37
  punk
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  on
• 2:38
  commercial
• 2:39
  radio
• 2:39
  per
• 2:39
  se,
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  but
• 2:40
  the
• 2:41
  few
• 2:41
  songs
• 2:41
  that
• 2:41
  had
• 2:42
  Run
• 2:42
  dmc,
• 2:43
  big
• 2:43
  example.
• 2:44
  A
• 2:44
  bunch
• 2:44
  of
• 2:44
  their
• 2:44
  first
• 2:45
  few
• 2:45
  singles
• 2:46
  had
• 2:46
  these
• 2:46
  heavy
• 2:46
  rock
• 2:47
  guitars.
• 2:47
  And
• 2:47
  that
• 2:48
  sound
• 2:48
  always
• 2:48
  intrigued
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  me.
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  So
• 2:50
  anywhere
• 2:51
  I
• 2:51
  could
• 2:51
  subsequently
• 2:52
  hear
• 2:52
  that
• 2:52
  kind
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  guitar
• 2:53
  sound,
• 2:54
  I
• 2:54
  was.
• 2:54
  I'm
• 2:55
  listening
• 2:55
  to
• 2:55
  it.
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  So
• 2:56
  if
• 2:56
  you
• 2:56
  think
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  of
• 2:57
  any
• 2:57
  pop
• 2:57
  songs
• 2:58
  this
• 2:58
  way,
• 2:58
  obviously
• 2:59
  the
• 2:59
  Run
• 2:59
  Dipsey
• 2:59
  stuff,
• 2:59
  like
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  mentioned.
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  But
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  we
• 3:01
  had
• 3:01
  Owner
• 3:01
  of
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  a
• 3:02
  Lonely
• 3:02
  Heart.
• 3:02
  Something
• 3:03
  with
• 3:03
  a
• 3:03
  hard
• 3:03
  guitar
• 3:04
  in
• 3:04
  it.
• 3:04
  Something
• 3:04
  I
• 3:05
  should
• 3:05
  not,
• 3:05
  as
• 3:05
  a
• 3:06
  little
• 3:06
  black
• 3:06
  kid
• 3:06
  in
• 3:06
  Brooklyn
• 3:07
  growing
• 3:08
  up,
• 3:08
  be
• 3:09
  intrigued
• 3:09
  by.
• 3:09
  I'm
• 3:10
  drawn
• 3:10
  to
• 3:10
  it,
• 3:11
  but
• 3:11
  my
• 3:11
  family
• 3:11
  was
• 3:12
  pretty
• 3:12
  open
• 3:12
  minded.
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  So
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  not
• 3:14
  necessarily
• 3:14
  with
• 3:14
  punk,
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  but
• 3:15
  anything
• 3:15
  adjacent
• 3:16
  to
• 3:17
  like
• 3:17
  hard
• 3:17
  rock
• 3:18
  was
• 3:18
  acceptable
• 3:19
  in
• 3:19
  my
• 3:19
  house.
• 3:19
  And
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  could
• 3:20
  listen
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  it
• 3:21
  on
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  radio
• 3:21
  and
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  would
• 3:22
  freak
• 3:22
  out
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  terms
• 3:23
  of.
• 3:25
  No,
• 3:25
  I'm
• 3:25
  trying
• 3:26
  to
• 3:26
  think
• 3:26
  of
• 3:26
  like
• 3:27
  a
• 3:27
  band.
• 3:27
  Like
• 3:28
  something
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  really.
• 3:29
  I
• 3:29
  don't
• 3:29
  know,
• 3:29
  that
• 3:29
  I
• 3:30
  realized
• 3:30
  these
• 3:30
  bands
• 3:30
  were
• 3:31
  punk
• 3:31
  bands
• 3:31
  per
• 3:31
  se.
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  don't
• 3:32
  know
• 3:33
  if
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  had
• 3:33
  this
• 3:33
  image
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  what
• 3:34
  that
• 3:35
  was
• 3:35
  in
• 3:35
  my
• 3:35
  head.
• 3:35
  I
• 3:36
  knew
• 3:36
  what
• 3:36
  it
• 3:36
  was
• 3:36
  when
• 3:36
  I
• 3:37
  saw
• 3:37
  it,
• 3:37
  but
• 3:37
  I
• 3:37
  didn't
• 3:37
  have
• 3:37
  a
• 3:38
  name
• 3:38
  for
• 3:38
  it,
• 3:38
  in
• 3:39
  other
• 3:39
  words.
• 3:39
  Yeah.
• 3:40
  And
• 3:40
  like
• 3:40
  when
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  was
• 3:41
  young.
• 3:41
  So
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  first
• 3:42
  real
• 3:42
  representation
• 3:43
  of
• 3:44
  punk
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  remember
• 3:45
  seeing
• 3:45
  in
• 3:46
  sort
• 3:46
  of
• 3:46
  mass
• 3:47
  media
• 3:47
  was
• 3:48
  from.
• 3:48
  It
• 3:48
  was
• 3:48
  from
• 3:48
  that
• 3:49
  movie
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  80s
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  it
• 3:51
  was
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  remake
• 3:51
  of
• 3:51
  an
• 3:52
  older
• 3:52
  television
• 3:53
  show,
• 3:53
  had
• 3:54
  Dan
• 3:54
  Aykroyd
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  it.
• 3:55
  Okay,
• 3:56
  yeah,
• 3:56
  yeah,
• 3:57
  Remember
• 3:57
  that
• 3:57
  movie?
• 3:58
  And
• 3:58
  like,
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  punks
• 3:59
  were
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  bad
• 3:59
  guys.
• 4:01
  Dan
• 4:01
  Aykroyd
• 4:02
  was
• 4:02
  a
• 4:02
  cop
• 4:02
  and
• 4:03
  his
• 4:03
  partner.
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  forget
• 4:04
  who
• 4:04
  his
• 4:04
  partner
• 4:05
  was.
• 4:05
  But
• 4:05
  they
• 4:05
  had
• 4:05
  to
• 4:05
  dress
• 4:06
  up
• 4:06
  like
• 4:06
  punks
• 4:06
  to
• 4:07
  go
• 4:07
  undercover.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:08
  so
• 4:08
  that
• 4:09
  was
• 4:09
  my
• 4:09
  first
• 4:09
  real
• 4:10
  introduction.
• 4:10
  Oh,
• 4:11
  punks
• 4:11
  are
• 4:11
  bad
• 4:12
  guys.
• 4:12
  Nobody
• 4:12
  should
• 4:12
  be
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  punk.
• 4:13
  But.
• 4:14
  Yeah,
• 4:14
  but
• 4:14
  then
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  heard
• 4:14
  all
• 4:14
  this
• 4:15
  music.
• 4:15
  Not
• 4:15
  really
• 4:15
  realizing,
• 4:16
  right.
• 4:17
  There
• 4:17
  was
• 4:17
  some
• 4:17
  sort
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  connection
• 4:18
  to
• 4:18
  it,
• 4:18
  all
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  hair
• 4:20
  metal
• 4:20
  bands.
• 4:20
  Because
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  came,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  got
• 4:22
  into
• 4:22
  stuff
• 4:23
  mid
• 4:24
  to
• 4:24
  late
• 4:24
  80s
• 4:25
  punks.
• 4:25
  On
• 4:26
  its
• 4:26
  way
• 4:26
  out
• 4:26
  in.
• 4:27
  In.
• 4:27
  In
• 4:27
  a
• 4:28
  visibly.
• 4:28
  And
• 4:28
  they're
• 4:29
  making
• 4:29
  fun
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  it
• 4:29
  at
• 4:29
  this
• 4:30
  point.
• 4:30
  You'll
• 4:30
  see
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  Mohawks
• 4:31
  on
• 4:31
  TV
• 4:31
  or
• 4:32
  in
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  commercial
• 4:32
  or
• 4:32
  something
• 4:33
  like
• 4:33
  that.
• 4:33
  Or
• 4:33
  you'll
• 4:33
  see
• 4:33
  the
• 4:34
  col.
• 4:34
  Hair.
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  was
• 4:35
  the
• 4:36
  sound
• 4:36
  of
• 4:36
  the
• 4:37
  hard
• 4:37
  rock
• 4:37
  guitars
• 4:38
  or
• 4:38
  loud
• 4:38
  guitars.
• 4:39
  And
• 4:39
  a
• 4:39
  lot
• 4:39
  of
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  hair
• 4:40
  bands
• 4:41
  caught
• 4:41
  me.
• 4:42
  And
• 4:42
  I
• 4:42
  remember
• 4:42
  being
• 4:42
  in
• 4:43
  like
• 4:43
  sixth
• 4:43
  or
• 4:43
  seventh
• 4:44
  grade.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:44
  a
• 4:44
  friend
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  mine.
• 4:45
  I'll
• 4:45
  never
• 4:45
  forget
• 4:45
  this
• 4:46
  kid,
• 4:46
  Ahmed.
• 4:47
  Ahmed
• 4:47
  was
• 4:47
  like
• 4:47
  a
• 4:47
  Muslim
• 4:48
  kid.
• 4:48
  You
• 4:48
  didn't.
• 4:48
  You
• 4:48
  wouldn't
• 4:49
  think
• 4:49
  he'd
• 4:49
  be
• 4:49
  into
• 4:49
  metal
• 4:50
  either,
• 4:50
  but
• 4:50
  football
• 4:51
  players
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  little
• 4:51
  older
• 4:52
  than
• 4:52
  me.
• 4:52
  And
• 4:52
  he
• 4:53
  looks
• 4:53
  at
• 4:53
  me
• 4:53
  one
• 4:53
  day
• 4:53
  in
• 4:53
  the
• 4:54
  schoolyard,
• 4:54
  he's.
• 4:54
  You're
• 4:54
  a
• 4:55
  poser.
• 4:56
  Like
• 4:56
  all
• 4:56
  those
• 4:57
  hair
• 4:57
  bands
• 4:57
  like
• 4:58
  Cinderella
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  Rat.
• 4:59
  And
• 5:00
  he's
• 5:00
  getting
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  listen
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  some
• 5:01
  mad.
• 5:02
  We
• 5:02
  need
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  listen
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  Metallica.
• 5:03
  And
• 5:04
  Metallica
• 5:05
  was
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  first.
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  went
• 5:06
  out
• 5:06
  and
• 5:06
  got
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  cassette.
• 5:08
  Justice
• 5:09
  for
• 5:09
  all
• 5:10
  heard
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  first
• 5:10
  song,
• 5:11
  ripped
• 5:11
  off
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  headphones.
• 5:11
  What
• 5:12
  was
• 5:12
  that?
• 5:12
  I've
• 5:13
  never
• 5:13
  heard
• 5:13
  anything
• 5:14
  that
• 5:14
  heavy
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  my
• 5:14
  life.
• 5:15
  And
• 5:15
  then
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  took
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  back
• 5:16
  route
• 5:16
  after
• 5:17
  that.
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  grabbed
• 5:17
  everything
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  could
• 5:18
  get.
• 5:18
  I.
• 5:19
  That's
• 5:19
  when
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  started
• 5:20
  delving
• 5:20
  into
• 5:20
  true.
• 5:21
  Like
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  Clash.
• 5:22
  The
• 5:22
  Clash
• 5:22
  is
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  first
• 5:23
  punk
• 5:24
  cassette.
• 5:25
  Not
• 5:25
  even
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  CD
• 5:26
  at
• 5:26
  this
• 5:26
  point,
• 5:26
  but
• 5:26
  a
• 5:27
  cassette
• 5:27
  that
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  bought.
• 5:28
  And
• 5:28
  it
• 5:28
  was
• 5:29
  like
• 5:29
  Clash
• 5:29
  City
• 5:29
  Rockers
• 5:30
  or
• 5:30
  something
• 5:30
  like
• 5:30
  that.
• 5:31
  And
• 5:31
  then
• 5:32
  later
• 5:32
  on
• 5:32
  Pistols.
• 5:34
  My
• 5:34
  thing
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  I
• 5:35
  went
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  Catholic
• 5:35
  school.
• 5:36
  So
• 5:37
  late
• 5:37
  70s,
• 5:38
  early
• 5:38
  80s,
• 5:39
  Catholic
• 5:40
  school
• 5:40
  kids,
• 5:41
  good
• 5:41
  at
• 5:41
  hiding
• 5:41
  stuff,
• 5:42
  went
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  school.
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  had
• 5:43
  nuns.
• 5:44
  So,
• 5:44
  yeah,
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  remember
• 5:45
  my
• 5:45
  Appetite
• 5:46
  for
• 5:46
  Destruction
• 5:46
  album
• 5:47
  getting
• 5:47
  confiscated
• 5:47
  because
• 5:48
  there's
• 5:48
  a
• 5:48
  cross
• 5:48
  on
• 5:48
  it
• 5:49
  with
• 5:49
  some
• 5:49
  skulls
• 5:50
  on
• 5:50
  it
• 5:50
  that
• 5:50
  got
• 5:50
  taken.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  that
• 5:52
  was
• 5:52
  like
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  reprints.
• 5:56
  Exactly.
• 5:56
  The
• 5:57
  first
• 5:57
  cover
• 5:57
  with
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  chick
• 5:58
  on
• 5:58
  it,
• 5:58
  they
• 5:58
  had
• 5:58
  to
• 5:58
  pull
• 5:58
  all
• 5:59
  together.
• 6:00
  But
• 6:00
  kids
• 6:00
  would
• 6:00
  carve
• 6:01
  bands
• 6:02
  that
• 6:02
  were
• 6:02
  popular
• 6:03
  at
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  time
• 6:03
  onto
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  desks
• 6:04
  with
• 6:04
  the
• 6:05
  old
• 6:05
  school
• 6:05
  wooden
• 6:05
  desks.
• 6:06
  So
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  name
• 6:07
  stuck
• 6:07
  out.
• 6:07
  Black
• 6:08
  Sabbath,
• 6:08
  Pink
• 6:09
  Floyd,
• 6:09
  Led
• 6:10
  Zeppelin,
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  Pistols,
• 6:11
  the
• 6:12
  Clash,
• 6:12
  these
• 6:12
  were
• 6:12
  all.
• 6:13
  So
• 6:14
  for
• 6:14
  years
• 6:14
  I'm
• 6:14
  seeing
• 6:15
  these
• 6:15
  names,
• 6:15
  not
• 6:15
  realizing
• 6:16
  their
• 6:16
  bands.
• 6:17
  And
• 6:17
  then
• 6:18
  now
• 6:18
  that
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  have
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  connection
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  Metallica
• 6:19
  and
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  know
• 6:20
  what
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  Clash
• 6:20
  is,
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  go
• 6:21
  back
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  I
• 6:22
  start
• 6:22
  listening
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  Pistols
• 6:23
  and
• 6:24
  stuff
• 6:24
  like
• 6:24
  that.
• 6:25
  This
• 6:25
  is
• 6:25
  junior
• 6:25
  high.
• 6:28
  Yeah.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  think
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  had
• 6:28
  a
• 6:29
  similar
• 6:29
  journey.
• 6:29
  So
• 6:30
  my
• 6:30
  oldest
• 6:30
  sister
• 6:30
  is
• 6:30
  eight
• 6:31
  years
• 6:31
  older
• 6:31
  than
• 6:31
  I
• 6:32
  him.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  when
• 6:33
  she
• 6:33
  was
• 6:33
  in
• 6:33
  high
• 6:34
  school,
• 6:34
  she
• 6:34
  was
• 6:34
  dating,
• 6:35
  like,
• 6:35
  guys
• 6:35
  on
• 6:35
  the
• 6:36
  football
• 6:36
  team
• 6:36
  and
• 6:36
  stuff.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  jocks
• 6:38
  back
• 6:38
  then
• 6:39
  are
• 6:39
  not
• 6:39
  like
• 6:39
  jocks
• 6:39
  now.
• 6:40
  So
• 6:40
  they
• 6:40
  were
• 6:40
  all
• 6:40
  into.
• 6:41
  They
• 6:41
  were
• 6:41
  all
• 6:41
  into
• 6:41
  metal,
• 6:42
  right?
• 6:42
  So,
• 6:43
  like,
• 6:43
  they
• 6:43
  got
• 6:43
  me
• 6:44
  into
• 6:44
  Iron
• 6:45
  Maiden
• 6:45
  and
• 6:45
  Cinderella
• 6:46
  and
• 6:47
  Metallica
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  Anthrax
• 6:49
  and
• 6:49
  stuff
• 6:50
  like
• 6:50
  that.
• 6:50
  So
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  was
• 6:51
  my
• 6:51
  journey.
• 6:51
  And
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  first
• 6:52
  song
• 6:52
  I
• 6:53
  really
• 6:53
  remember
• 6:54
  hearing
• 6:56
  was
• 6:58
  more
• 6:58
  than
• 6:58
  just
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  song,
• 6:59
  right?
• 7:00
  Like
• 7:00
  a
• 7:00
  song
• 7:00
  that
• 7:00
  I
• 7:01
  heard.
• 7:01
  And
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  was
• 7:01
  like,
• 7:01
  wow,
• 7:02
  there.
• 7:02
  Like,
• 7:02
  there's
• 7:02
  more
• 7:03
  to
• 7:03
  music
• 7:03
  than
• 7:03
  just
• 7:04
  music.
• 7:04
  There's.
• 7:05
  This
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  making
• 7:06
  me
• 7:06
  feel
• 7:07
  a
• 7:07
  way
• 7:07
  that
• 7:07
  I've
• 7:08
  never
• 7:08
  felt
• 7:08
  before
• 7:09
  was
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  Anthrax,
• 7:11
  Public
• 7:11
  Enemy,
• 7:12
  Bring
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  Noise.
• 7:13
  Like,
• 7:14
  I
• 7:14
  heard
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  song
• 7:15
  and
• 7:15
  I.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  it
• 7:16
  flipped
• 7:16
  something
• 7:16
  internally
• 7:17
  for
• 7:17
  me.
• 7:18
  And
• 7:18
  that
• 7:18
  was
• 7:18
  like
• 7:19
  my
• 7:19
  route
• 7:19
  into.
• 7:20
  Yeah,
• 7:21
  pretty
• 7:21
  much
• 7:21
  junior
• 7:22
  high.
• 7:22
  Everything
• 7:23
  went
• 7:23
  that
• 7:23
  way
• 7:23
  and
• 7:24
  changed
• 7:24
  where
• 7:24
  it
• 7:24
  was
• 7:25
  like,
• 7:25
  all
• 7:25
  right,
• 7:25
  I'm
• 7:25
  never
• 7:25
  just
• 7:26
  going
• 7:26
  to
• 7:26
  go
• 7:26
  back
• 7:26
  and
• 7:26
  listen
• 7:27
  to
• 7:27
  rap
• 7:27
  again.
• 7:28
  What's
• 7:28
  funny
• 7:28
  is,
• 7:29
  right
• 7:29
  at
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  time,
• 7:29
  it
• 7:30
  wasn't.
• 7:30
  Like
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  said,
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  wasn't
• 7:31
  Necessarily
• 7:31
  acceptable,
• 7:32
  at
• 7:33
  least
• 7:33
  in
• 7:33
  my
• 7:33
  little
• 7:33
  local
• 7:34
  community,
• 7:34
  for
• 7:34
  me
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  be
• 7:35
  listening
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  that.
• 7:35
  I
• 7:36
  remember
• 7:36
  being
• 7:36
  told,
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  someone
• 7:37
  said,
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  was
• 7:38
  sheltered,
• 7:38
  went
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  Catholic
• 7:39
  school.
• 7:39
  You're
• 7:40
  in
• 7:40
  school
• 7:40
  with
• 7:40
  these
• 7:40
  same
• 7:41
  kids
• 7:41
  for
• 7:41
  all
• 7:42
  these
• 7:42
  years.
• 7:43
  Now
• 7:43
  we're
• 7:43
  going
• 7:43
  into
• 7:44
  high
• 7:44
  school
• 7:44
  and
• 7:44
  I'm
• 7:45
  going
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  public
• 7:45
  school
• 7:45
  for
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  first
• 7:46
  time.
• 7:46
  So
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  big
• 7:47
  thing
• 7:47
  on
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  street
• 7:47
  is,
• 7:48
  oh,
• 7:48
  Clyde's
• 7:49
  gonna
• 7:49
  have
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  watch
• 7:49
  himself
• 7:49
  in
• 7:50
  high
• 7:50
  school.
• 7:51
  You
• 7:51
  can't
• 7:51
  go
• 7:51
  around
• 7:52
  telling
• 7:52
  people
• 7:52
  you're
• 7:53
  into
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  kill
• 7:53
  your
• 7:53
  mother,
• 7:53
  kill
• 7:54
  your
• 7:54
  father
• 7:54
  music.
• 7:54
  This
• 7:55
  is
• 7:55
  what
• 7:55
  Dipsuta
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  referred
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  at
• 7:56
  the
• 7:57
  time.
• 7:58
  Yeah.
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  feel
• 7:58
  happy
• 7:59
  for
• 7:59
  these
• 7:59
  kids.
• 7:59
  Kids
• 8:00
  now,
• 8:00
  where
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  lot
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  that's
• 8:02
  gone.
• 8:02
  I
• 8:03
  went
• 8:03
  to.
• 8:04
  There's
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  band
• 8:05
  called
• 8:05
  City
• 8:05
  Morg.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:07
  they're
• 8:07
  okay,
• 8:08
  they
• 8:08
  rap,
• 8:09
  but
• 8:10
  it's.
• 8:10
  They
• 8:10
  call
• 8:10
  themselves
• 8:11
  trap
• 8:11
  metal.
• 8:12
  And
• 8:12
  it
• 8:12
  essentially,
• 8:13
  it
• 8:13
  reminds
• 8:13
  me
• 8:13
  a
• 8:14
  lot
• 8:14
  of
• 8:14
  onyx
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  the
• 8:15
  90s.
• 8:16
  I
• 8:16
  don't
• 8:16
  know
• 8:16
  if
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  remember,
• 8:17
  Onyx
• 8:17
  was
• 8:17
  working
• 8:18
  with
• 8:18
  Biohazard.
• 8:19
  Oh,
• 8:19
  yeah.
• 8:20
  Their
• 8:20
  whole
• 8:20
  set
• 8:21
  sounded
• 8:21
  like
• 8:21
  that.
• 8:22
  Okay.
• 8:23
  And
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  crowd.
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  couldn't
• 8:25
  have
• 8:26
  dreamed
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  more
• 8:27
  diverse
• 8:28
  crowd
• 8:28
  than
• 8:28
  that.
• 8:28
  You
• 8:29
  know
• 8:29
  what
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  mean?
• 8:29
  Everybody
• 8:30
  was
• 8:30
  there.
• 8:31
  All
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  pit
• 8:31
  rules
• 8:32
  were
• 8:32
  still
• 8:32
  in
• 8:32
  place.
• 8:32
  Everybody's
• 8:33
  picking
• 8:33
  each
• 8:33
  other
• 8:33
  up,
• 8:34
  they're
• 8:34
  looking
• 8:34
  out
• 8:34
  for
• 8:35
  each
• 8:35
  other.
• 8:35
  It
• 8:35
  was
• 8:36
  pretty
• 8:36
  awesome.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  I'm
• 8:37
  like.
• 8:39
  And
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  remember
• 8:40
  in
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  early
• 8:40
  mid-90s,
• 8:41
  like,
• 8:41
  there
• 8:41
  was
• 8:41
  a
• 8:41
  lot
• 8:42
  of
• 8:42
  that,
• 8:43
  that
• 8:43
  crossover,
• 8:44
  especially
• 8:45
  in
• 8:45
  New
• 8:45
  York,
• 8:45
  with
• 8:46
  like,
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  New
• 8:46
  York
• 8:46
  based
• 8:47
  hip
• 8:47
  hop
• 8:47
  groups,
• 8:48
  rap
• 8:49
  group
• 8:49
  groups
• 8:50
  working
• 8:50
  with
• 8:52
  or
• 8:52
  palling
• 8:52
  around
• 8:53
  with
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  New
• 8:53
  York
• 8:54
  type.
• 8:55
  O
• 8:55
  Negative
• 8:55
  was
• 8:55
  working
• 8:56
  with
• 8:56
  rappers.
• 8:57
  Biohazard
• 8:57
  was
• 8:58
  right.
• 8:58
  A
• 8:58
  lot
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  Brooklyn
• 8:59
  groups,
• 9:00
  a
• 9:00
  lot
• 9:00
  of
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  Brooklyn
• 9:00
  hardcore
• 9:01
  groups
• 9:01
  were
• 9:01
  working
• 9:01
  with.
• 9:02
  With
• 9:02
  hip
• 9:02
  hop
• 9:02
  acts
• 9:03
  as
• 9:03
  well.
• 9:04
  Yeah,
• 9:04
  yeah,
• 9:05
  yeah.
• 9:05
  Because
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  think.
• 9:06
  I
• 9:07
  think
• 9:07
  we
• 9:07
  were
• 9:08
  all
• 9:08
  seeing
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  same
• 9:10
  injustices,
• 9:10
  Just
• 9:11
  experiencing
• 9:11
  it
• 9:12
  differently.
• 9:12
  Yes.
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  don't
• 9:13
  know
• 9:13
  if
• 9:13
  you
• 9:14
  remember
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  Judgment
• 9:15
  Night
• 9:15
  soundtrack.
• 9:16
  Okay.
• 9:17
  Yeah.
• 9:17
  That's
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  classic.
• 9:18
  But
• 9:18
  yeah,
• 9:19
  that
• 9:19
  was.
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  converted
• 9:20
  a
• 9:21
  lot
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  people
• 9:21
  into
• 9:21
  a
• 9:22
  lot
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  metal
• 9:23
  acts
• 9:23
  and
• 9:23
  rock
• 9:24
  acts
• 9:24
  based
• 9:25
  off
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  that.
• 9:25
  Yeah,
• 9:26
  yeah.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:26
  even
• 9:27
  with,
• 9:27
  like,
• 9:27
  Ice
• 9:27
  Tea,
• 9:28
  like,
• 9:29
  his
• 9:29
  rap
• 9:29
  stuff
• 9:29
  was
• 9:30
  amazing.
• 9:30
  But
• 9:30
  then
• 9:30
  he
• 9:31
  came
• 9:31
  out
• 9:31
  with
• 9:31
  Body
• 9:31
  Count.
• 9:33
  Look
• 9:33
  like
• 9:34
  we
• 9:34
  can
• 9:34
  do
• 9:34
  this
• 9:35
  stuff
• 9:35
  too.
• 9:35
  And
• 9:36
  we
• 9:36
  can
• 9:36
  do
• 9:36
  this
• 9:37
  really
• 9:37
  amazing.
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  don't
• 9:39
  know
• 9:39
  our
• 9:39
  age
• 9:39
  difference,
• 9:40
  but
• 9:41
  my
• 9:41
  freshman
• 9:41
  year
• 9:42
  of
• 9:42
  high
• 9:42
  school
• 9:42
  was
• 9:42
  the
• 9:43
  first
• 9:43
  Lollapalooza.
• 9:44
  Okay.
• 9:44
  You're
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  couple
• 9:45
  years
• 9:45
  older
• 9:46
  than
• 9:46
  me,
• 9:46
  but
• 9:46
  not
• 9:46
  much.
• 9:48
  No,
• 9:48
  I
• 9:49
  think
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  first
• 9:49
  Lollapalooza
• 9:50
  was
• 9:50
  when
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  was
• 9:50
  in,
• 9:51
  like
• 9:51
  seventh
• 9:52
  or
• 9:52
  eighth
• 9:52
  grade.
• 9:52
  Okay.
• 9:53
  So
• 9:53
  high
• 9:53
  school.
• 9:53
  High
• 9:54
  school
• 9:54
  for
• 9:54
  me
• 9:54
  was
• 9:54
  90
• 9:54
  to
• 9:55
  94.
• 9:56
  Okay.
• 9:57
  So,
• 9:57
  yeah,
• 9:57
  that
• 9:58
  and
• 9:58
  even
• 9:59
  High
• 9:59
  school
• 9:59
  was
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  big
• 10:00
  leap
• 10:01
  into
• 10:01
  something
• 10:01
  else.
• 10:02
  Because
• 10:02
  now
• 10:02
  I'm
• 10:02
  coming
• 10:03
  out
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  this
• 10:03
  little,
• 10:03
  small
• 10:04
  community
• 10:04
  of
• 10:04
  people
• 10:05
  who
• 10:05
  don't
• 10:05
  know
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  lot
• 10:05
  about
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  music
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  I'd
• 10:07
  like
• 10:07
  to.
• 10:07
  And
• 10:08
  now
• 10:08
  I'm
• 10:08
  seeing
• 10:08
  kids
• 10:09
  with
• 10:09
  metal
• 10:09
  shirts
• 10:09
  at
• 10:09
  school,
• 10:10
  so
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  get
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  ask
• 10:11
  them
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  pick
• 10:11
  their
• 10:11
  brains.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  course,
• 10:12
  back
• 10:13
  then,
• 10:13
  it's.
• 10:13
  We're
• 10:14
  trading
• 10:14
  cassettes.
• 10:15
  That's
• 10:15
  how
• 10:15
  we're.
• 10:16
  That's
• 10:16
  how
• 10:16
  we're
• 10:16
  getting
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  music
• 10:17
  back
• 10:17
  and
• 10:17
  forth.
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  friend
• 10:18
  of
• 10:18
  mine
• 10:19
  made
• 10:19
  me
• 10:19
  a
• 10:20
  tape
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  Jane's
• 10:21
  Addiction,
• 10:21
  subsequently
• 10:22
  became
• 10:23
  probably.
• 10:23
  They're
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  my
• 10:24
  top
• 10:24
  five
• 10:25
  for
• 10:25
  sure.
• 10:26
  Huge.
• 10:27
  One
• 10:27
  of
• 10:27
  my
• 10:27
  first
• 10:27
  shows
• 10:28
  was
• 10:29
  Jane's
• 10:29
  Addiction.
• 10:29
  You'll
• 10:30
  laugh
• 10:30
  at
• 10:30
  my
• 10:30
  first
• 10:30
  show,
• 10:31
  Soundgarden.
• 10:32
  What
• 10:32
  was
• 10:33
  it?
• 10:33
  Oh,
• 10:33
  that's
• 10:34
  not
• 10:34
  bad.
• 10:35
  It
• 10:35
  was.
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  didn't
• 10:36
  even
• 10:36
  know
• 10:36
  what
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  was.
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  knew
• 10:37
  it.
• 10:37
  I
• 10:37
  was
• 10:37
  into
• 10:37
  them.
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  had
• 10:38
  heard.
• 10:39
  What
• 10:39
  was
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  album
• 10:39
  I
• 10:40
  heard
• 10:40
  at
• 10:40
  that
• 10:40
  point.
• 10:41
  It
• 10:41
  was
• 10:41
  the
• 10:41
  one
• 10:41
  before
• 10:42
  Bad
• 10:42
  Motor
• 10:43
  Finger.
• 10:43
  It
• 10:43
  was
• 10:43
  Louder
• 10:44
  Than
• 10:44
  Love.
• 10:44
  Or
• 10:45
  it
• 10:45
  was
• 10:45
  Louder
• 10:45
  Than
• 10:45
  Love.
• 10:45
  So
• 10:46
  I
• 10:46
  knew
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  them
• 10:46
  through
• 10:46
  that.
• 10:48
  And
• 10:48
  they
• 10:48
  were
• 10:48
  so
• 10:49
  not
• 10:49
  well
• 10:49
  known
• 10:50
  at
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  time
• 10:51
  that.
• 10:51
  Yeah.
• 10:51
  Because
• 10:52
  grunge
• 10:52
  hadn't
• 10:52
  hit
• 10:53
  right.
• 10:53
  We're
• 10:53
  talking
• 10:53
  91
• 10:54
  into
• 10:54
  92.
• 10:55
  And
• 10:56
  they
• 10:56
  had
• 10:57
  just
• 10:57
  released
• 10:58
  Bad
• 10:58
  Motorfinger.
• 10:59
  The
• 10:59
  album
• 10:59
  release
• 11:00
  party
• 11:00
  was
• 11:00
  here
• 11:00
  in
• 11:01
  New
• 11:01
  York.
• 11:02
  WNEW
• 11:02
  was
• 11:03
  our
• 11:03
  hard
• 11:03
  rock
• 11:04
  station
• 11:04
  at
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  time.
• 11:06
  And
• 11:06
  they.
• 11:07
  If
• 11:07
  you
• 11:07
  can
• 11:07
  tell
• 11:07
  us
• 11:08
  what
• 11:08
  city
• 11:08
  these
• 11:08
  guys
• 11:09
  are
• 11:09
  from,
• 11:09
  there's
• 11:09
  free
• 11:10
  tickets
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  album
• 11:11
  release
• 11:12
  instantly
• 11:12
  called
• 11:13
  Seattle.
• 11:13
  My
• 11:14
  father
• 11:14
  goes.
• 11:14
  Picks
• 11:14
  up
• 11:14
  the
• 11:15
  ticket.
• 11:15
  I
• 11:15
  go.
• 11:16
  It
• 11:16
  was
• 11:16
  my
• 11:16
  first
• 11:16
  show.
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  I'm
• 11:17
  just.
• 11:17
  I'm
• 11:18
  just
• 11:18
  like,
• 11:18
  I
• 11:18
  can't
• 11:18
  believe
• 11:18
  I'm
• 11:19
  here.
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  can't
• 11:19
  believe
• 11:19
  how
• 11:20
  loud
• 11:20
  this
• 11:20
  is.
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  can't
• 11:20
  believe
• 11:21
  there's
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  bunch
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  people
• 11:22
  who
• 11:22
  are
• 11:22
  going
• 11:22
  off
• 11:22
  and
• 11:23
  feeling
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  same
• 11:23
  way
• 11:23
  I
• 11:24
  do
• 11:24
  about
• 11:24
  this.
• 11:25
  And.
• 11:25
  And
• 11:25
  I
• 11:25
  was
• 11:25
  like,
• 11:26
  14.
• 11:27
  So
• 11:27
  it's
• 11:27
  much
• 11:27
  around
• 11:28
  a
• 11:28
  bunch
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  big
• 11:28
  dudes.
• 11:29
  I'm
• 11:29
  not
• 11:29
  going
• 11:29
  anywhere
• 11:30
  near
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  pit.
• 11:31
  The
• 11:31
  little
• 11:31
  pit
• 11:31
  that
• 11:31
  was
• 11:32
  forming
• 11:32
  up.
• 11:32
  It
• 11:33
  was.
• 11:33
  I
• 11:34
  was
• 11:34
  expecting,
• 11:34
  like,
• 11:34
  an
• 11:34
  industry
• 11:35
  kind
• 11:35
  of
• 11:35
  thing.
• 11:35
  I
• 11:35
  thought
• 11:36
  it
• 11:36
  would
• 11:36
  be
• 11:36
  suits.
• 11:36
  It
• 11:36
  was
• 11:36
  a
• 11:37
  crowd.
• 11:37
  It
• 11:37
  wasn't.
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  thought
• 11:38
  they'd
• 11:39
  play
• 11:39
  for
• 11:39
  maybe
• 11:39
  five
• 11:39
  minutes
• 11:40
  because.
• 11:40
  But
• 11:40
  no,
• 11:40
  they
• 11:41
  played
• 11:41
  a
• 11:41
  full
• 11:41
  set,
• 11:41
  and
• 11:42
  that
• 11:42
  was
• 11:42
  it.
• 11:43
  Never
• 11:43
  looked
• 11:43
  back.
• 11:44
  And
• 11:44
  I
• 11:44
  think
• 11:45
  at
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  point,
• 11:45
  when
• 11:45
  I
• 11:46
  first
• 11:46
  saw
• 11:46
  Rock
• 11:47
  Band
• 11:47
  Live,
• 11:47
  that's
• 11:48
  when
• 11:48
  I
• 11:48
  wanted
• 11:48
  to
• 11:49
  participate
• 11:49
  myself.
• 11:50
  That.
• 11:51
  That's
• 11:51
  what
• 11:51
  led
• 11:51
  me
• 11:52
  into
• 11:52
  saying,
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  want
• 11:53
  to
• 11:53
  get
• 11:53
  up
• 11:53
  there.
• 11:54
  Scream
• 11:55
  into
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  mic,
• 11:55
  too.
• 11:56
  Yeah.
• 11:57
  The
• 11:57
  first
• 11:58
  concert
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  ever
• 11:59
  went
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  by
• 11:59
  myself
• 12:00
  was
• 12:00
  Kiss.
• 12:01
  Really?
• 12:02
  Yeah.
• 12:02
  And
• 12:02
  when
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  saw
• 12:03
  him,
• 12:03
  they
• 12:03
  were
• 12:03
  touring
• 12:04
  without
• 12:04
  their
• 12:04
  makeup.
• 12:05
  Oh,
• 12:05
  Damn.
• 12:06
  Yeah,
• 12:07
  but
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  know,
• 12:08
  still,
• 12:10
  right?
• 12:10
  Still
• 12:10
  Kiss.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  then
• 12:12
  my
• 12:13
  first
• 12:14
  punk
• 12:14
  show.
• 12:15
  It
• 12:15
  was.
• 12:16
  It
• 12:16
  actually
• 12:16
  happened
• 12:17
  in
• 12:17
  Huntsville,
• 12:18
  Alabama,
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  it
• 12:20
  was.
• 12:20
  I
• 12:21
  don't
• 12:21
  remember
• 12:21
  all
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  bands
• 12:23
  that
• 12:23
  were
• 12:23
  playing.
• 12:24
  I
• 12:24
  want
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  say
• 12:25
  one
• 12:25
  of
• 12:25
  them
• 12:25
  was
• 12:26
  called
• 12:26
  Inside
• 12:26
  Lori.
• 12:27
  I
• 12:28
  think
• 12:28
  they're
• 12:28
  all,
• 12:28
  like,
• 12:28
  local
• 12:28
  bands.
• 12:29
  Inside
• 12:29
  Lori.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  then,
• 12:31
  like,
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  went
• 12:31
  to
• 12:31
  two
• 12:31
  shows.
• 12:32
  Almost
• 12:32
  like
• 12:33
  I
• 12:33
  went
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  one
• 12:33
  one
• 12:34
  day
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  one
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  next.
• 12:34
  Okay.
• 12:35
  So
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  went
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  two
• 12:35
  shows
• 12:36
  back
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  back.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:37
  there
• 12:37
  was
• 12:37
  a
• 12:37
  band
• 12:37
  called,
• 12:38
  like,
• 12:38
  Skeletal
• 12:39
  Earth.
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  don't
• 12:40
  remember
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  others,
• 12:40
  but
• 12:41
  one
• 12:41
  of
• 12:41
  them
• 12:41
  was
• 12:41
  this,
• 12:42
  like,
• 12:42
  77
• 12:43
  punk
• 12:43
  style.
• 12:44
  Like,
• 12:44
  the
• 12:45
  singers
• 12:45
  look
• 12:45
  like
• 12:45
  Darby
• 12:46
  Crash
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  you're
• 12:46
  spitting
• 12:47
  on
• 12:47
  people.
• 12:50
  I
• 12:50
  don't
• 12:50
  want
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  get
• 12:50
  spit
• 12:51
  on.
• 12:51
  That's
• 12:51
  gross.
• 12:52
  That
• 12:52
  means
• 12:52
  they
• 12:53
  love
• 12:53
  you.
• 12:56
  Don't
• 12:56
  love
• 12:56
  me
• 12:56
  that
• 12:56
  way,
• 12:58
  but
• 12:58
  I
• 12:58
  love
• 12:58
  the
• 12:59
  music.
• 12:59
  And
• 12:59
  then.
• 12:59
  And
• 13:00
  then,
• 13:00
  like,
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  other
• 13:00
  bands,
• 13:00
  they
• 13:01
  were
• 13:01
  doing
• 13:01
  this
• 13:01
  fitting
• 13:01
  nonsense,
• 13:02
  and
• 13:02
  I
• 13:02
  was
• 13:03
  like,
• 13:03
  okay,
• 13:03
  cool.
• 13:04
  I
• 13:04
  want
• 13:04
  more
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  this.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:06
  one
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  my
• 13:07
  neighbors
• 13:07
  was
• 13:07
  really.
• 13:08
  A
• 13:08
  couple
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  my
• 13:09
  neighbors
• 13:09
  were
• 13:09
  really
• 13:09
  into
• 13:10
  punk,
• 13:10
  and
• 13:10
  they
• 13:10
  were
• 13:11
  older
• 13:11
  than
• 13:11
  me,
• 13:12
  and
• 13:12
  my
• 13:13
  parents
• 13:13
  just
• 13:13
  really
• 13:13
  weren't
• 13:14
  around.
• 13:14
  So
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  just.
• 13:15
  They're
• 13:15
  like,
• 13:15
  hey,
• 13:15
  do
• 13:15
  you
• 13:16
  want
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  go
• 13:16
  to
• 13:16
  the
• 13:16
  show
• 13:16
  with
• 13:17
  us?
• 13:17
  Yeah,
• 13:17
  let's
• 13:17
  go
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  show.
• 13:19
  Let's
• 13:19
  go.
• 13:20
  Yeah.
• 13:21
  And
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  was
• 13:21
  in.
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  don't
• 13:22
  know,
• 13:22
  I
• 13:23
  want
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  say
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  was
• 13:23
  in,
• 13:23
  like,
• 13:23
  sixth
• 13:24
  grade,
• 13:25
  maybe
• 13:26
  fifth
• 13:26
  or
• 13:26
  sixth
• 13:26
  grade.
• 13:27
  Sixth
• 13:27
  grade,
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  think.
• 13:28
  Yeah.
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  was
• 13:29
  about
• 13:29
  12
• 13:30
  for,
• 13:31
  like,
• 13:31
  my
• 13:31
  first
• 13:31
  introduction.
• 13:32
  That's
• 13:32
  pretty
• 13:32
  close.
• 13:33
  Yeah,
• 13:33
  but.
• 13:33
  But
• 13:34
  for
• 13:34
  me,
• 13:34
  it
• 13:34
  took
• 13:34
  me
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  while
• 13:35
  from
• 13:36
  that
• 13:36
  because
• 13:37
  then
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  couple
• 13:38
  years
• 13:38
  later,
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  moved
• 13:39
  up
• 13:40
  to
• 13:40
  D.C.
• 13:40
  where
• 13:40
  my
• 13:41
  mom
• 13:41
  was
• 13:41
  living,
• 13:41
  or
• 13:42
  Northern
• 13:42
  Virginia,
• 13:43
  D.C.
• 13:44
  area
• 13:44
  where
• 13:44
  my
• 13:44
  mom
• 13:44
  was
• 13:45
  living.
• 13:45
  So
• 13:45
  it
• 13:45
  took
• 13:45
  me
• 13:45
  a
• 13:46
  while
• 13:46
  to,
• 13:47
  like.
• 13:47
  I
• 13:47
  knew
• 13:47
  there
• 13:47
  was
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  scene.
• 13:48
  I
• 13:49
  knew
• 13:49
  there
• 13:49
  was
• 13:49
  stuff
• 13:50
  going
• 13:50
  on,
• 13:50
  but
• 13:50
  it
• 13:50
  took
• 13:50
  me
• 13:51
  a
• 13:51
  while
• 13:51
  to,
• 13:51
  like,
• 13:51
  find
• 13:52
  it
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  connect
• 13:53
  with
• 13:53
  it,
• 13:53
  I
• 13:54
  guess.
• 13:54
  Going
• 13:54
  back
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  that
• 13:55
  question
• 13:55
  earlier.
• 13:56
  So
• 13:57
  going
• 13:57
  from
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  Bad
• 13:58
  Motor
• 13:59
  Finger
• 13:59
  release
• 14:00
  party,
• 14:01
  like,
• 14:01
  how
• 14:01
  did
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  find,
• 14:03
  like,
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  community
• 14:04
  from
• 14:05
  there?
• 14:05
  School,
• 14:06
  like
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  said,
• 14:07
  once
• 14:07
  I
• 14:07
  started
• 14:08
  going
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  public
• 14:08
  school,
• 14:09
  where
• 14:09
  you're
• 14:09
  coming
• 14:09
  up
• 14:09
  with
• 14:10
  more
• 14:10
  diverse
• 14:10
  kids
• 14:11
  from
• 14:12
  all
• 14:12
  over
• 14:12
  Brooklyn
• 14:13
  as
• 14:13
  opposed
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  just
• 14:14
  my
• 14:14
  local
• 14:16
  area.
• 14:16
  I
• 14:17
  started
• 14:17
  meeting
• 14:17
  kids
• 14:18
  that
• 14:18
  were
• 14:18
  into
• 14:19
  different
• 14:19
  stuff.
• 14:20
  I
• 14:20
  started
• 14:20
  getting
• 14:21
  tapes
• 14:21
  from,
• 14:21
  like,
• 14:22
  the
• 14:22
  local.
• 14:23
  I
• 14:23
  didn't
• 14:23
  know
• 14:24
  there
• 14:24
  was
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  New
• 14:25
  York
• 14:25
  hardcore
• 14:25
  scene.
• 14:26
  Knew
• 14:26
  nothing
• 14:27
  about
• 14:27
  this.
• 14:27
  I
• 14:27
  got
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  bands.
• 14:29
  So
• 14:29
  someone
• 14:29
  gave
• 14:30
  me
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  Pig
• 14:30
  Face
• 14:30
  tape,
• 14:31
  and
• 14:31
  then
• 14:31
  someone
• 14:31
  gave
• 14:32
  me
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  Murphy's
• 14:32
  Law
• 14:33
  tape,
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  someone
• 14:34
  gave
• 14:34
  me
• 14:34
  an
• 14:34
  Agnostic
• 14:35
  Front
• 14:35
  tape.
• 14:35
  And
• 14:35
  it
• 14:36
  started
• 14:36
  happening
• 14:36
  like
• 14:37
  that.
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  didn't
• 14:37
  even
• 14:38
  realize
• 14:38
  these
• 14:38
  people
• 14:38
  were
• 14:38
  local.
• 14:39
  There's
• 14:39
  no
• 14:39
  Internet
• 14:40
  for
• 14:40
  Us
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  research
• 14:40
  where
• 14:41
  these
• 14:41
  people
• 14:41
  are
• 14:41
  from
• 14:42
  or
• 14:42
  what
• 14:42
  do
• 14:42
  they
• 14:42
  even
• 14:42
  look
• 14:42
  like.
• 14:43
  If
• 14:43
  you
• 14:43
  don't
• 14:43
  have
• 14:43
  a
• 14:43
  picture
• 14:44
  with
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  cassette
• 14:44
  or
• 14:44
  whatever
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  got
• 14:46
  and
• 14:46
  you're
• 14:46
  getting
• 14:47
  your
• 14:47
  information
• 14:47
  through
• 14:48
  Rick
• 14:48
  magazine
• 14:49
  or
• 14:49
  Circus
• 14:50
  or
• 14:50
  one
• 14:50
  of
• 14:51
  these
• 14:51
  magazines
• 14:51
  at
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  time,
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  information
• 14:52
  is
• 14:52
  pretty
• 14:53
  limited.
• 14:54
  There's
• 14:54
  one
• 14:54
  particular
• 14:55
  day
• 14:55
  though.
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  had
• 14:57
  a
• 14:57
  couple
• 14:57
  friends
• 14:57
  that
• 14:58
  I
• 14:58
  gathered
• 14:58
  together
• 14:58
  that
• 14:59
  were
• 14:59
  all
• 14:59
  like
• 14:59
  minded
• 15:00
  by
• 15:00
  my
• 15:00
  freshman
• 15:01
  year
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  school,
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  last
• 15:02
  day
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  school,
• 15:03
  sitting
• 15:04
  with
• 15:04
  four
• 15:04
  of
• 15:05
  these
• 15:05
  kids
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  one
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  them
• 15:06
  goes,
• 15:07
  wouldn't
• 15:07
  it
• 15:07
  be
• 15:07
  cool?
• 15:08
  We
• 15:08
  had
• 15:08
  a
• 15:08
  band.
• 15:09
  None
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  us
• 15:10
  play
• 15:10
  instruments.
• 15:10
  We're
• 15:11
  all
• 15:11
  14
• 15:11
  years
• 15:11
  old.
• 15:12
  It's
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  last
• 15:12
  day
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  our
• 15:12
  freshman
• 15:13
  year.
• 15:13
  We're
• 15:13
  like,
• 15:13
  yeah,
• 15:14
  that
• 15:14
  would
• 15:14
  be
• 15:14
  cool.
• 15:15
  Ironically
• 15:16
  enough,
• 15:16
  three
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  these
• 15:17
  guys,
• 15:17
  we
• 15:17
  end
• 15:17
  up
• 15:17
  forming
• 15:18
  this
• 15:18
  band
• 15:18
  years
• 15:18
  later.
• 15:19
  But
• 15:19
  it's
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  same
• 15:20
  guys
• 15:20
  that
• 15:21
  I
• 15:21
  had
• 15:21
  that
• 15:21
  little
• 15:22
  dream
• 15:22
  with
• 15:23
  nice
• 15:24
  freshman
• 15:24
  year
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  high
• 15:25
  school
• 15:25
  that
• 15:25
  ended
• 15:25
  up
• 15:25
  being
• 15:26
  the
• 15:26
  band.
• 15:26
  So
• 15:26
  it
• 15:26
  was
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  cool
• 15:27
  story
• 15:27
  when
• 15:27
  we
• 15:28
  were
• 15:28
  in
• 15:28
  our
• 15:28
  20s
• 15:29
  going,
• 15:29
  how'd
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  guys
• 15:30
  meet?
• 15:30
  Playing
• 15:30
  together
• 15:31
  since
• 15:31
  high
• 15:31
  school.
• 15:32
  Yeah,
• 15:32
  it
• 15:33
  happened
• 15:34
  through
• 15:34
  school
• 15:34
  by
• 15:35
  accident.
• 15:35
  Just
• 15:35
  you
• 15:36
  end
• 15:36
  up
• 15:36
  in
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  right
• 15:36
  class
• 15:37
  with
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  right
• 15:37
  person,
• 15:37
  you
• 15:38
  ask
• 15:38
  them,
• 15:38
  hey,
• 15:38
  what
• 15:38
  do
• 15:38
  you
• 15:38
  listen
• 15:39
  to?
• 15:39
  And
• 15:39
  it
• 15:39
  happened
• 15:40
  from
• 15:40
  there.
• 15:40
  But
• 15:41
  high
• 15:41
  school
• 15:41
  was
• 15:42
  big.
• 15:42
  There
• 15:42
  was
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  big
• 15:43
  hardcore
• 15:44
  punk
• 15:44
  scene.
• 15:45
  And
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  didn't
• 15:46
  know
• 15:46
  there
• 15:46
  was
• 15:46
  conventions
• 15:47
  involved
• 15:47
  in
• 15:48
  it.
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  didn't
• 15:48
  know
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  separation
• 15:49
  between
• 15:49
  the
• 15:49
  old
• 15:50
  school
• 15:50
  punk
• 15:50
  and
• 15:50
  this
• 15:51
  new
• 15:51
  hardcore
• 15:52
  stuff.
• 15:52
  I
• 15:52
  didn't
• 15:52
  know
• 15:53
  what
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  aesthetic
• 15:54
  differences
• 15:54
  were.
• 15:55
  These
• 15:55
  guys
• 15:55
  are
• 15:55
  pulling
• 15:56
  up
• 15:56
  looking
• 15:56
  like
• 15:57
  they
• 15:57
  work
• 15:58
  construction.
• 15:58
  They
• 15:59
  got
• 15:59
  backpacks
• 15:59
  on
• 16:00
  stage,
• 16:00
  baseball
• 16:01
  hats,
• 16:02
  Timberlands.
• 16:03
  And
• 16:03
  we
• 16:03
  look
• 16:03
  real
• 16:03
  New
• 16:04
  York
• 16:04
  up
• 16:04
  there
• 16:05
  compared
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  what
• 16:06
  I'd
• 16:06
  seen
• 16:06
  on
• 16:06
  tv.
• 16:07
  You
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:09
  blue
• 16:09
  collar
• 16:10
  punk
• 16:10
  scene.
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  ended
• 16:12
  up.
• 16:12
  So
• 16:12
  we
• 16:12
  have
• 16:12
  this
• 16:12
  daydream
• 16:13
  in.
• 16:14
  In
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  beginning
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  high
• 16:15
  school.
• 16:15
  The
• 16:16
  following
• 16:16
  year,
• 16:17
  one
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  my
• 16:17
  friends
• 16:17
  picked
• 16:18
  up
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  guitar.
• 16:18
  One
• 16:18
  picks
• 16:19
  up
• 16:19
  bass.
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  had
• 16:20
  closet
• 16:20
  sang
• 16:21
  for
• 16:21
  years.
• 16:22
  I
• 16:22
  could
• 16:22
  sing
• 16:23
  whatever
• 16:23
  the
• 16:23
  hell
• 16:23
  I
• 16:23
  wanted
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  in
• 16:25
  any
• 16:25
  style.
• 16:25
  My
• 16:25
  voice
• 16:26
  hadn't
• 16:26
  changed
• 16:27
  yet,
• 16:27
  so
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  could
• 16:27
  go
• 16:27
  real
• 16:28
  high
• 16:28
  if
• 16:28
  I
• 16:28
  wanted
• 16:28
  to
• 16:29
  do
• 16:29
  all
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  Axl
• 16:30
  Row
• 16:30
  stuff.
• 16:31
  We
• 16:31
  formed
• 16:31
  a
• 16:31
  little
• 16:31
  BS
• 16:32
  band.
• 16:32
  We
• 16:33
  called
• 16:33
  it
• 16:33
  Finger
• 16:33
  Soul.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:34
  Finger
• 16:35
  Soul
• 16:35
  was
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  joke
• 16:36
  on
• 16:36
  my.
• 16:36
  High
• 16:36
  school
• 16:37
  was
• 16:37
  right
• 16:37
  across
• 16:37
  the
• 16:37
  street
• 16:37
  from
• 16:38
  Brooklyn
• 16:38
  College.
• 16:39
  One
• 16:39
  day
• 16:39
  we're
• 16:40
  cutting
• 16:40
  class,
• 16:40
  hanging
• 16:40
  out
• 16:41
  there,
• 16:41
  and
• 16:41
  someone
• 16:41
  asked
• 16:41
  us,
• 16:42
  do
• 16:42
  we
• 16:42
  know
• 16:42
  where
• 16:43
  Fingersol
• 16:43
  was?
• 16:44
  Ingersoll
• 16:45
  hall
• 16:45
  is
• 16:45
  a
• 16:46
  hall
• 16:46
  in
• 16:46
  Brooklyn
• 16:47
  College.
• 16:48
  We've
• 16:48
  been
• 16:49
  drinking
• 16:49
  or
• 16:49
  whatever,
• 16:50
  so
• 16:50
  we
• 16:50
  heard
• 16:51
  Fingersol.
• 16:51
  We
• 16:51
  named
• 16:52
  that
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  band
• 16:52
  that.
• 16:53
  And
• 16:53
  we
• 16:53
  had
• 16:53
  this
• 16:53
  little.
• 16:54
  Fisher
• 16:54
  Price,
• 16:54
  my
• 16:55
  first
• 16:55
  rock
• 16:55
  band
• 16:56
  set
• 16:56
  up
• 16:56
  for
• 16:57
  two
• 16:57
  years
• 16:57
  while
• 16:57
  we
• 16:58
  were
• 16:58
  in
• 16:58
  high
• 16:58
  school
• 16:58
  learning
• 16:59
  to
• 16:59
  play.
• 16:59
  I
• 17:00
  eventually
• 17:00
  pick
• 17:00
  Up
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  guitar,
• 17:02
  but
• 17:02
  not
• 17:02
  with
• 17:02
  this
• 17:02
  group
• 17:03
  of
• 17:03
  people.
• 17:03
  There
• 17:04
  were
• 17:04
  some.
• 17:04
  It's
• 17:04
  always
• 17:05
  some
• 17:05
  older
• 17:05
  kids
• 17:05
  that
• 17:06
  get
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  really
• 17:06
  deeply
• 17:07
  involved.
• 17:07
  So
• 17:08
  I'm
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  sophomore
• 17:09
  in
• 17:09
  high
• 17:09
  school
• 17:09
  and
• 17:10
  some
• 17:10
  seniors.
• 17:10
  They
• 17:11
  wanted
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  do
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  summer
• 17:11
  band,
• 17:12
  just
• 17:12
  a
• 17:12
  cover
• 17:12
  band.
• 17:13
  We
• 17:14
  end
• 17:14
  up
• 17:14
  doing
• 17:14
  that
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  it
• 17:15
  ended
• 17:15
  up
• 17:16
  doing
• 17:16
  pretty
• 17:16
  well.
• 17:17
  So
• 17:17
  that
• 17:17
  was
• 17:17
  my
• 17:17
  first
• 17:18
  gig.
• 17:19
  It's
• 17:20
  92,
• 17:21
  16,
• 17:21
  maybe
• 17:23
  from
• 17:23
  that,
• 17:23
  the
• 17:24
  word
• 17:24
  started
• 17:24
  to
• 17:25
  get
• 17:25
  around.
• 17:25
  This
• 17:25
  guy
• 17:25
  can
• 17:26
  actually
• 17:26
  sing.
• 17:26
  He's
• 17:26
  pretty
• 17:27
  good.
• 17:27
  And
• 17:28
  I
• 17:29
  pretty
• 17:29
  much
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  bass
• 17:30
  player
• 17:30
  from
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  summer
• 17:31
  band
• 17:32
  ended
• 17:32
  up
• 17:32
  in
• 17:32
  a
• 17:33
  big
• 17:33
  hardcore
• 17:34
  band.
• 17:34
  They
• 17:35
  needed
• 17:35
  a
• 17:35
  singer.
• 17:35
  I
• 17:36
  ended
• 17:36
  up
• 17:36
  joining
• 17:36
  that
• 17:37
  fall.
• 17:37
  But
• 17:37
  this
• 17:37
  is
• 17:38
  summer
• 17:38
  band,
• 17:38
  so
• 17:38
  that's.
• 17:38
  It
• 17:39
  all
• 17:39
  ends
• 17:39
  in
• 17:39
  August
• 17:39
  or
• 17:40
  September.
• 17:40
  By
• 17:41
  October,
• 17:42
  I'm
• 17:42
  playing,
• 17:42
  like
• 17:43
  big
• 17:43
  hardcore
• 17:44
  shows
• 17:44
  in
• 17:44
  New
• 17:44
  York,
• 17:44
  not
• 17:45
  having
• 17:45
  any
• 17:45
  real
• 17:45
  clue
• 17:46
  of.
• 17:46
  There's
• 17:46
  a
• 17:46
  scene
• 17:47
  and
• 17:47
  it's
• 17:47
  this
• 17:48
  big
• 17:48
  and
• 17:48
  these.
• 17:49
  But
• 17:49
  I'm
• 17:49
  playing.
• 17:50
  I
• 17:51
  look
• 17:51
  at.
• 17:51
  There's
• 17:51
  a
• 17:52
  flyer.
• 17:52
  It's
• 17:52
  got
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  Bannerman
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  Murphy's
• 17:54
  Law.
• 17:54
  Like
• 17:54
  two
• 17:54
  of
• 17:54
  the
• 17:55
  biggest
• 17:56
  fans
• 17:56
  in
• 17:56
  that
• 17:56
  scene.
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  have
• 17:57
  no
• 17:57
  clue.
• 17:58
  I'm
• 17:58
  a
• 17:58
  kid.
• 17:59
  I'm
• 17:59
  just
• 17:59
  trying
• 17:59
  to
• 18:00
  get
• 18:00
  through
• 18:00
  the
• 18:00
  set,
• 18:00
  remember
• 18:00
  all
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  words,
• 18:01
  not
• 18:01
  get
• 18:01
  completely
• 18:02
  nervous
• 18:03
  up
• 18:03
  there.
• 18:03
  My
• 18:04
  dad
• 18:04
  shows
• 18:04
  up
• 18:04
  to
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  show,
• 18:05
  so
• 18:06
  he
• 18:06
  sees
• 18:06
  me
• 18:06
  jumping
• 18:06
  in
• 18:07
  a
• 18:07
  pit.
• 18:07
  He
• 18:07
  got
• 18:08
  balls
• 18:08
  to
• 18:08
  go
• 18:08
  up
• 18:08
  there
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  say,
• 18:09
  scream
• 18:09
  into
• 18:09
  that
• 18:09
  mic
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  say,
• 18:10
  you're
• 18:10
  singing.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  people
• 18:12
  seem
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  like
• 18:12
  it.
• 18:13
  And
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  was,
• 18:13
  thankfully,
• 18:14
  at
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  young
• 18:14
  age,
• 18:15
  encouraged.
• 18:16
  It
• 18:16
  wasn't.
• 18:16
  There
• 18:16
  was
• 18:16
  no.
• 18:17
  No
• 18:17
  one
• 18:17
  hated
• 18:17
  on
• 18:18
  me
• 18:18
  and
• 18:18
  said,
• 18:18
  oh,
• 18:18
  what
• 18:18
  are
• 18:18
  you
• 18:18
  doing
• 18:19
  up
• 18:19
  there?
• 18:19
  There
• 18:19
  was
• 18:19
  none
• 18:20
  of
• 18:20
  that.
• 18:20
  It
• 18:20
  was
• 18:20
  completely
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  opposite.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:22
  that's
• 18:23
  when
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  realized,
• 18:23
  hey,
• 18:23
  there's
• 18:24
  like
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  community
• 18:24
  around
• 18:25
  this
• 18:25
  thing.
• 18:25
  There's
• 18:26
  people
• 18:26
  from
• 18:27
  school
• 18:27
  showed
• 18:27
  up
• 18:28
  again.
• 18:28
  The
• 18:28
  word
• 18:28
  gets
• 18:29
  out
• 18:29
  even
• 18:29
  further.
• 18:29
  But
• 18:30
  yet
• 18:30
  that
• 18:30
  was
• 18:31
  mid
• 18:31
  high
• 18:32
  school.
• 18:32
  Just
• 18:33
  being
• 18:33
  in
• 18:33
  bands
• 18:34
  drew
• 18:34
  me
• 18:35
  into
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  fact
• 18:35
  that
• 18:35
  there
• 18:35
  was
• 18:35
  a
• 18:36
  scene.
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  knew
• 18:36
  nothing
• 18:37
  until
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  got
• 18:37
  out
• 18:37
  of
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  basement
• 18:38
  or
• 18:38
  that
• 18:39
  rehearsal
• 18:39
  studio
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  actually
• 18:40
  got
• 18:41
  into
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  club.
• 18:42
  And
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  didn't
• 18:43
  get
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  pleasure
• 18:43
  of
• 18:43
  going
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  shows.
• 18:44
  I
• 18:45
  did
• 18:45
  get
• 18:45
  the
• 18:45
  pleasure
• 18:45
  of
• 18:46
  playing
• 18:46
  those
• 18:46
  shows,
• 18:47
  though.
• 18:48
  So,
• 18:48
  yeah,
• 18:49
  still
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  this
• 18:50
  day,
• 18:50
  I'd
• 18:50
  rather
• 18:51
  be
• 18:51
  up
• 18:51
  there
• 18:51
  than
• 18:51
  watching.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:53
  Like,
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  energy
• 18:54
  is
• 18:54
  different.
• 18:55
  Yeah.
• 18:56
  In
• 18:56
  my
• 18:56
  opinion,
• 18:57
  live
• 18:57
  punk
• 18:58
  show
• 18:58
  is
• 18:58
  a
• 18:59
  magical
• 18:59
  place
• 19:00
  to
• 19:00
  be.
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  no
• 19:01
  matter
• 19:02
  where
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  are
• 19:02
  at,
• 19:02
  that
• 19:03
  show,
• 19:03
  like,
• 19:04
  magic
• 19:04
  is
• 19:05
  happening.
• 19:06
  But
• 19:06
  in
• 19:07
  my
• 19:07
  opinion,
• 19:07
  like,
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  two
• 19:08
  most
• 19:09
  magical
• 19:09
  places
• 19:11
  is
• 19:11
  one
• 19:11
  is
• 19:12
  on
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  stage
• 19:14
  and
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  second
• 19:14
  is
• 19:15
  right
• 19:15
  in
• 19:16
  front
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  stage.
• 19:18
  Right
• 19:18
  in
• 19:18
  front
• 19:18
  of
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  stage.
• 19:19
  You're
• 19:19
  just
• 19:19
  like.
• 19:20
  You
• 19:20
  are
• 19:20
  the
• 19:21
  first
• 19:21
  person
• 19:21
  that
• 19:22
  all
• 19:22
  of
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  energy
• 19:23
  hits.
• 19:24
  Right.
• 19:25
  And
• 19:26
  you
• 19:26
  just
• 19:26
  have
• 19:26
  all
• 19:27
  this
• 19:27
  Passion
• 19:28
  and
• 19:28
  emotion
• 19:29
  and
• 19:29
  everything
• 19:29
  just
• 19:30
  aimed
• 19:30
  directly
• 19:30
  at
• 19:30
  you.
• 19:31
  And
• 19:31
  you're
• 19:31
  just
• 19:32
  like
• 19:32
  the
• 19:32
  first
• 19:33
  person
• 19:33
  that
• 19:33
  wave
• 19:34
  hits.
• 19:35
  Yeah.
• 19:35
  But
• 19:36
  again,
• 19:36
  in
• 19:37
  my
• 19:37
  opinion,
• 19:37
  no
• 19:38
  matter
• 19:38
  where
• 19:38
  you
• 19:38
  are
• 19:38
  at
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  show,
• 19:39
  it's
• 19:39
  a
• 19:39
  magical
• 19:39
  thing.
• 19:39
  I
• 19:40
  don't
• 19:40
  think
• 19:40
  I've
• 19:40
  ever
• 19:40
  either
• 19:41
  on
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  stage
• 19:41
  or
• 19:41
  that
• 19:42
  first
• 19:42
  row
• 19:42
  is
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  only
• 19:43
  time
• 19:44
  I'm
• 19:44
  not
• 19:44
  in.
• 19:44
  In
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  first
• 19:45
  row
• 19:45
  is
• 19:46
  if
• 19:46
  it's
• 19:46
  an
• 19:46
  arena
• 19:46
  show.
• 19:47
  If
• 19:47
  it's
• 19:47
  standing
• 19:47
  room,
• 19:48
  I'm
• 19:48
  bullying
• 19:48
  my
• 19:48
  way
• 19:48
  up
• 19:48
  to
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  front.
• 19:49
  Believe
• 19:49
  me,
• 19:52
  these
• 19:52
  days
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  might
• 19:53
  do
• 19:53
  it
• 19:53
  off
• 19:53
  to
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  side
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  stage
• 19:54
  as
• 19:54
  opposed
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  dead
• 19:55
  center.
• 19:55
  But
• 19:55
  when
• 19:56
  I
• 19:56
  was
• 19:56
  a
• 19:56
  kid,
• 19:56
  I
• 19:57
  am
• 19:57
  going,
• 19:57
  excuse
• 19:57
  me
• 19:57
  until
• 19:58
  I
• 19:58
  get
• 19:58
  my
• 19:58
  way
• 19:58
  right
• 19:58
  up.
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  don't
• 19:59
  want
• 19:59
  to
• 20:00
  be
• 20:00
  right
• 20:00
  10ft
• 20:01
  back.
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  want
• 20:01
  to
• 20:02
  be
• 20:02
  right
• 20:02
  there.
• 20:03
  Yeah.
• 20:04
  Oh,
• 20:04
  definitely.
• 20:05
  So
• 20:06
  from
• 20:06
  that,
• 20:06
  like
• 20:07
  how.
• 20:08
  What
• 20:08
  did
• 20:08
  your
• 20:08
  progression,
• 20:10
  not
• 20:10
  just
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  punk
• 20:11
  but
• 20:11
  like
• 20:11
  in
• 20:11
  music
• 20:11
  look
• 20:12
  like
• 20:12
  from
• 20:13
  there?
• 20:13
  So
• 20:13
  that
• 20:14
  same
• 20:14
  punk
• 20:14
  band
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  I
• 20:15
  was
• 20:15
  in
• 20:15
  ended
• 20:16
  up
• 20:16
  getting
• 20:16
  some
• 20:16
  label
• 20:17
  interest.
• 20:18
  I'm
• 20:18
  16
• 20:19
  years
• 20:19
  old
• 20:19
  at
• 20:19
  the
• 20:20
  time.
• 20:20
  These
• 20:20
  guys
• 20:21
  are
• 20:21
  24,
• 20:21
  25
• 20:22
  years
• 20:22
  old.
• 20:22
  They've
• 20:23
  been
• 20:23
  at
• 20:23
  it
• 20:23
  for
• 20:23
  a
• 20:23
  few
• 20:23
  years.
• 20:24
  They're
• 20:25
  looking
• 20:25
  to.
• 20:25
  It
• 20:26
  was
• 20:26
  Roadrunner
• 20:27
  was
• 20:27
  trying
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  sign
• 20:27
  them
• 20:28
  and
• 20:28
  Roadrunner
• 20:29
  says
• 20:29
  to
• 20:29
  we'll
• 20:30
  give
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  a.
• 20:31
  We'll
• 20:31
  put
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  on
• 20:31
  tour
• 20:31
  with
• 20:32
  a
• 20:32
  bunch
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  our
• 20:32
  acts.
• 20:33
  But
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  tour
• 20:34
  is
• 20:34
  going
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  be
• 20:34
  in
• 20:34
  Europe.
• 20:35
  I'm
• 20:35
  automatically
• 20:36
  not
• 20:36
  in
• 20:37
  that
• 20:37
  equation.
• 20:37
  I
• 20:37
  am
• 20:38
  not
• 20:38
  leaving
• 20:38
  school
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  go
• 20:39
  travel
• 20:39
  with
• 20:39
  a
• 20:40
  bunch.
• 20:40
  So
• 20:40
  they
• 20:40
  subsequently
• 20:41
  kicked
• 20:41
  me
• 20:41
  out
• 20:41
  of
• 20:42
  this
• 20:42
  band.
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  had
• 20:43
  no
• 20:44
  stake
• 20:44
  in
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  songwriting.
• 20:45
  I
• 20:46
  didn't
• 20:46
  write
• 20:46
  any
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  lyrics.
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  came
• 20:47
  in.
• 20:48
  The
• 20:48
  band
• 20:48
  is
• 20:48
  fully
• 20:49
  formed
• 20:49
  here.
• 20:49
  Learn
• 20:49
  these
• 20:50
  words,
• 20:50
  learn
• 20:50
  these
• 20:50
  vocals,
• 20:51
  sing
• 20:51
  it.
• 20:51
  And
• 20:51
  I
• 20:51
  did
• 20:51
  it.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:52
  we
• 20:52
  started
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  move.
• 20:53
  About
• 20:54
  six
• 20:54
  months
• 20:54
  goes
• 20:55
  by
• 20:55
  and
• 20:55
  this
• 20:56
  situation
• 20:56
  presents
• 20:57
  itself.
• 20:57
  So
• 20:57
  I
• 20:57
  get
• 20:57
  kicked
• 20:58
  out
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  this
• 20:58
  band
• 20:58
  and
• 20:58
  I
• 20:59
  make
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  vow
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  myself
• 21:00
  that
• 21:00
  I'm
• 21:00
  going
• 21:00
  to
• 21:00
  pick
• 21:01
  up
• 21:01
  an
• 21:01
  instrument
• 21:02
  so
• 21:02
  that
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  can.
• 21:03
  In
• 21:03
  further
• 21:04
  situations.
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  can
• 21:05
  say
• 21:05
  I
• 21:05
  wrote
• 21:06
  some
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  songs
• 21:06
  in
• 21:06
  this.
• 21:07
  You
• 21:07
  can't
• 21:07
  just
• 21:07
  throw
• 21:07
  me
• 21:07
  out
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  here
• 21:08
  that
• 21:08
  easily.
• 21:09
  And
• 21:09
  I.
• 21:09
  Right.
• 21:10
  I
• 21:10
  still
• 21:10
  feel
• 21:10
  like
• 21:11
  sometimes
• 21:12
  some
• 21:13
  musicians
• 21:13
  don't
• 21:13
  value
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  vocalist
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  a
• 21:15
  rock
• 21:15
  setting.
• 21:15
  If
• 21:16
  you're
• 21:16
  just
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  singer,
• 21:17
  they
• 21:18
  kind
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  look
• 21:18
  at
• 21:18
  you
• 21:18
  like
• 21:19
  anybody
• 21:20
  can
• 21:20
  sing.
• 21:21
  So
• 21:21
  I
• 21:22
  picked
• 21:22
  up
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  guitar
• 21:22
  at
• 21:23
  that
• 21:23
  point.
• 21:23
  In
• 21:23
  that
• 21:23
  point,
• 21:24
  the
• 21:25
  focus
• 21:25
  from
• 21:25
  punk
• 21:26
  switched
• 21:26
  over.
• 21:26
  I
• 21:27
  got
• 21:27
  more
• 21:27
  into,
• 21:27
  like
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  said,
• 21:28
  Jane's
• 21:28
  Addiction,
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  Chili
• 21:29
  Peppers.
• 21:30
  There's
• 21:31
  still
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  punk
• 21:31
  thing
• 21:31
  going
• 21:31
  on
• 21:32
  there,
• 21:32
  at
• 21:32
  least
• 21:33
  in
• 21:33
  the.
• 21:33
  Not
• 21:33
  necessarily
• 21:34
  in
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  aesthetic.
• 21:34
  But
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  attitude
• 21:35
  of
• 21:35
  those
• 21:35
  bands
• 21:35
  was
• 21:36
  very
• 21:36
  free,
• 21:36
  very
• 21:37
  aggressive
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  open
• 21:39
  minded
• 21:39
  group
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  people.
• 21:40
  And
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  like
• 21:41
  that
• 21:41
  Sound.
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  like
• 21:42
  what
• 21:42
  they
• 21:42
  were
• 21:42
  going
• 21:43
  for,
• 21:43
  so
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  started
• 21:44
  writing.
• 21:45
  So
• 21:45
  I
• 21:45
  picked
• 21:45
  up
• 21:45
  the
• 21:46
  guitar
• 21:46
  about
• 21:47
  16
• 21:48
  again.
• 21:48
  I
• 21:49
  now
• 21:49
  know
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  crapload
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  musicians
• 21:51
  at
• 21:51
  school,
• 21:52
  so
• 21:53
  I
• 21:53
  might
• 21:53
  have
• 21:53
  been
• 21:54
  playing
• 21:54
  about
• 21:54
  two
• 21:54
  months.
• 21:54
  And
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  guys
• 21:55
  at
• 21:55
  the
• 21:56
  jazz
• 21:56
  band
• 21:56
  at
• 21:56
  school,
• 21:57
  they
• 21:57
  look
• 21:57
  at
• 21:57
  me
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  hate
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  say
• 21:59
  it
• 21:59
  this
• 21:59
  way,
• 21:59
  but
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  director
• 22:01
  of
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  band
• 22:01
  was
• 22:01
  black.
• 22:03
  And
• 22:03
  he
• 22:03
  goes
• 22:03
  to
• 22:03
  me,
• 22:04
  you
• 22:04
  got
• 22:04
  no
• 22:04
  brothers
• 22:05
  in
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  band,
• 22:05
  man.
• 22:06
  We
• 22:06
  need
• 22:07
  some
• 22:07
  brothers
• 22:07
  in
• 22:07
  the
• 22:08
  band.
• 22:09
  He
• 22:09
  goes,
• 22:09
  can
• 22:09
  you
• 22:10
  play
• 22:10
  an
• 22:10
  A
• 22:10
  minor?
• 22:10
  And
• 22:10
  I
• 22:11
  play
• 22:11
  him
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  A
• 22:11
  minor.
• 22:12
  Can
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  play
• 22:12
  an
• 22:12
  E
• 22:12
  chord?
• 22:13
  Play
• 22:13
  an
• 22:13
  E
• 22:13
  chord.
• 22:13
  He's
• 22:14
  like,
• 22:14
  all
• 22:14
  right,
• 22:14
  you
• 22:14
  got
• 22:15
  enough.
• 22:15
  Join
• 22:15
  the
• 22:16
  school
• 22:16
  jazz
• 22:17
  band.
• 22:17
  You'll
• 22:18
  get
• 22:18
  a
• 22:18
  straight
• 22:18
  A
• 22:19
  from
• 22:19
  that
• 22:20
  experience.
• 22:20
  Our
• 22:21
  school
• 22:21
  jazz
• 22:21
  band
• 22:22
  had
• 22:22
  some
• 22:22
  phenomenal
• 22:23
  musicians
• 22:24
  in
• 22:24
  it.
• 22:24
  So
• 22:25
  I
• 22:25
  was.
• 22:25
  I
• 22:25
  had
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  pleasure
• 22:26
  of
• 22:27
  playing
• 22:27
  with
• 22:27
  a
• 22:28
  piano
• 22:28
  player
• 22:28
  who,
• 22:29
  while
• 22:29
  we
• 22:29
  were
• 22:29
  in
• 22:29
  high
• 22:29
  school,
• 22:30
  played
• 22:30
  Carnegie
• 22:30
  Hall.
• 22:31
  He
• 22:31
  was
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  perfect
• 22:32
  pitch.
• 22:33
  He's
• 22:33
  one
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  those
• 22:33
  guys
• 22:34
  could
• 22:34
  hear
• 22:34
  a
• 22:34
  piece
• 22:34
  of
• 22:34
  music
• 22:35
  and
• 22:35
  just
• 22:35
  play
• 22:35
  it.
• 22:35
  Note
• 22:36
  for
• 22:36
  you.
• 22:36
  Yeah.
• 22:37
  Pierre
• 22:37
  gave
• 22:38
  me
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  confidence
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  I
• 22:39
  needed
• 22:39
  two
• 22:40
  months
• 22:40
  into
• 22:40
  my
• 22:40
  guitar
• 22:41
  playing
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  play
• 22:41
  with
• 22:42
  this
• 22:42
  full
• 22:43
  school
• 22:43
  jazz
• 22:43
  band
• 22:44
  who've
• 22:44
  been
• 22:44
  playing
• 22:44
  together
• 22:44
  for
• 22:45
  years.
• 22:45
  And
• 22:46
  again
• 22:46
  from
• 22:47
  there,
• 22:48
  I'm
• 22:48
  getting
• 22:48
  involved
• 22:49
  with
• 22:49
  different
• 22:49
  communities
• 22:50
  of
• 22:50
  musicians.
• 22:50
  Flashback
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  my
• 22:51
  friends
• 22:51
  from
• 22:52
  freshman
• 22:52
  year
• 22:52
  school.
• 22:53
  They're
• 22:53
  all
• 22:54
  now
• 22:54
  progressing
• 22:54
  on
• 22:54
  their
• 22:54
  instruments.
• 22:55
  We
• 22:55
  make
• 22:55
  another
• 22:55
  go
• 22:56
  at
• 22:56
  it.
• 22:57
  It
• 22:57
  doesn't
• 22:57
  really
• 22:57
  go
• 22:57
  anywhere,
• 22:58
  but
• 22:58
  we
• 22:58
  played
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  couple
• 22:59
  of
• 22:59
  little
• 22:59
  things
• 22:59
  for
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  school
• 23:00
  or
• 23:00
  whatever
• 23:01
  this
• 23:01
  is
• 23:01
  in
• 23:02
  the
• 23:02
  middle
• 23:02
  of
• 23:02
  high
• 23:02
  school,
• 23:02
  I
• 23:02
  graduate
• 23:03
  high
• 23:03
  school,
• 23:04
  and
• 23:04
  the
• 23:05
  drummer
• 23:05
  from
• 23:05
  that
• 23:06
  jazz
• 23:06
  band
• 23:06
  in
• 23:06
  school
• 23:07
  goes,
• 23:07
  I'm
• 23:08
  looking
• 23:08
  for
• 23:08
  a
• 23:08
  real
• 23:08
  serious
• 23:09
  college
• 23:09
  band,
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  I
• 23:11
  want
• 23:11
  to
• 23:11
  work
• 23:11
  with
• 23:11
  somebody
• 23:11
  I
• 23:12
  think
• 23:12
  is
• 23:12
  solid,
• 23:12
  and
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  think
• 23:13
  I
• 23:13
  want
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  work
• 23:13
  with
• 23:13
  you
• 23:14
  again.
• 23:14
  Another
• 23:15
  phenomenal
• 23:15
  musician.
• 23:16
  My
• 23:16
  drummer
• 23:16
  was
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  classical
• 23:17
  percussionist.
• 23:18
  So
• 23:19
  anything
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  could
• 23:19
  hit,
• 23:20
  he
• 23:21
  was
• 23:21
  trained
• 23:21
  on
• 23:21
  it,
• 23:21
  xylophones
• 23:22
  and
• 23:22
  all.
• 23:23
  And
• 23:23
  we're
• 23:24
  kids.
• 23:24
  But
• 23:24
  he's
• 23:25
  got
• 23:25
  this
• 23:25
  amazing
• 23:25
  ability
• 23:26
  to
• 23:26
  play
• 23:26
  anything
• 23:27
  from
• 23:27
  like
• 23:27
  Lars
• 23:28
  Ulrich
• 23:28
  drums
• 23:29
  to
• 23:30
  Mark
• 23:30
  your
• 23:30
  Ramon
• 23:31
  drums
• 23:31
  to
• 23:31
  whatever
• 23:32
  kind
• 23:32
  of
• 23:32
  drumming
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  we
• 23:33
  needed
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  be
• 23:33
  done.
• 23:34
  Latin
• 23:34
  percussion.
• 23:34
  He
• 23:35
  could
• 23:35
  do
• 23:35
  it
• 23:35
  all.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:36
  we
• 23:36
  set
• 23:37
  out
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  form
• 23:38
  what
• 23:38
  became
• 23:38
  our
• 23:39
  band,
• 23:39
  Fingersole.
• 23:40
  We
• 23:40
  just
• 23:40
  used
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  name
• 23:41
  we
• 23:41
  had
• 23:41
  from
• 23:41
  high
• 23:42
  school.
• 23:42
  We
• 23:43
  ended
• 23:43
  up
• 23:43
  calling
• 23:43
  two
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  guys
• 23:44
  from
• 23:44
  that
• 23:45
  Little
• 23:45
  Squad.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:46
  96
• 23:47
  to
• 23:47
  2000,
• 23:47
  we
• 23:48
  were
• 23:48
  at
• 23:48
  it.
• 23:48
  We
• 23:48
  did
• 23:49
  did
• 23:49
  the
• 23:49
  CMJ
• 23:49
  fests
• 23:51
  written
• 23:51
  up
• 23:51
  in
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  Village
• 23:52
  Voice.
• 23:52
  We're
• 23:53
  doing
• 23:53
  our
• 23:53
  thing.
• 23:54
  The
• 23:54
  labels
• 23:56
  that
• 23:56
  presented
• 23:57
  themselves
• 23:57
  were
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  shadiest
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  all.
• 23:59
  And
• 23:59
  we
• 23:59
  fell
• 23:59
  apart.
• 24:00
  Not
• 24:01
  because
• 24:01
  of
• 24:01
  money,
• 24:01
  but
• 24:02
  because
• 24:02
  everyone's
• 24:03
  graduating
• 24:03
  college
• 24:04
  by
• 24:04
  the
• 24:04
  time
• 24:04
  we
• 24:04
  got
• 24:05
  somewhere
• 24:05
  with
• 24:05
  it
• 24:06
  four
• 24:06
  years
• 24:06
  in
• 24:07
  and
• 24:07
  it's
• 24:07
  starting.
• 24:07
  But
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  minute
• 24:08
  we
• 24:08
  started
• 24:08
  making
• 24:09
  money,
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  egos
• 24:10
  came
• 24:10
  in.
• 24:11
  No
• 24:11
  one
• 24:12
  knew
• 24:12
  how
• 24:12
  to
• 24:12
  talk
• 24:12
  to
• 24:12
  each
• 24:12
  other
• 24:13
  anymore.
• 24:13
  And
• 24:14
  that's
• 24:14
  what
• 24:14
  happened
• 24:14
  with
• 24:15
  that
• 24:15
  situation.
• 24:15
  But
• 24:16
  yeah,
• 24:16
  I
• 24:16
  have
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  say,
• 24:18
  right
• 24:18
  time,
• 24:18
  right
• 24:18
  place
• 24:19
  in
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  right
• 24:19
  school.
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  went
• 24:20
  to
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  school
• 24:21
  that's
• 24:22
  still
• 24:22
  considered
• 24:23
  like
• 24:23
  one
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  better
• 24:24
  academic
• 24:25
  schools
• 24:25
  in.
• 24:25
  In
• 24:26
  Brooklyn,
• 24:27
  in
• 24:27
  New
• 24:27
  York,
• 24:27
  actually,
• 24:28
  in
• 24:28
  high
• 24:28
  school.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:30
  we
• 24:30
  had
• 24:30
  just
• 24:30
  phenomenal
• 24:31
  musicians.
• 24:31
  So
• 24:32
  some
• 24:32
  of
• 24:32
  them
• 24:32
  took
• 24:33
  me
• 24:33
  under
• 24:33
  their
• 24:33
  wing
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  brought
• 24:34
  me
• 24:34
  along
• 24:35
  and.
• 24:35
  Yeah,
• 24:36
  that's
• 24:36
  cool.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:37
  it's.
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  think,
• 24:38
  unfortunately,
• 24:40
  that
• 24:40
  happens
• 24:42
  more
• 24:42
  than
• 24:42
  people
• 24:42
  like
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  talk
• 24:43
  about.
• 24:44
  Right.
• 24:44
  Like
• 24:44
  once
• 24:45
  ego's
• 24:46
  getting
• 24:46
  involved
• 24:46
  and
• 24:47
  once
• 24:48
  money
• 24:48
  becomes
• 24:48
  a
• 24:49
  part
• 24:49
  of
• 24:49
  it
• 24:49
  and
• 24:50
  songwriting
• 24:50
  credits
• 24:51
  and
• 24:52
  all
• 24:52
  of
• 24:52
  that
• 24:53
  stuff.
• 24:53
  Right.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  think
• 24:55
  that
• 24:55
  takes
• 24:55
  away
• 24:56
  from
• 24:57
  like
• 24:58
  our
• 24:58
  root
• 24:58
  cause
• 24:58
  of
• 24:59
  getting
• 24:59
  involved
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  first
• 25:00
  place.
• 25:01
  Not
• 25:01
  taking
• 25:02
  it
• 25:02
  back
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  funking
• 25:03
  hardcore
• 25:03
  too
• 25:03
  much,
• 25:04
  but
• 25:04
  what
• 25:04
  wasn't
• 25:05
  it?
• 25:05
  Rabies
• 25:06
  from
• 25:06
  Warzone.
• 25:06
  Don't
• 25:06
  forget
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  struggle,
• 25:07
  don't
• 25:07
  forget
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  streets.
• 25:08
  Right.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  once
• 25:10
  all
• 25:10
  that
• 25:10
  other
• 25:10
  stuff
• 25:11
  gets
• 25:11
  involved,
• 25:11
  we
• 25:11
  forget
• 25:12
  that
• 25:12
  real
• 25:12
  quick.
• 25:13
  Yeah.
• 25:13
  What's
• 25:14
  he
• 25:14
  said
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  the
• 25:16
  last
• 25:16
  hardcore
• 25:17
  show
• 25:17
  I
• 25:17
  went
• 25:17
  to
• 25:18
  New
• 25:18
  Year's
• 25:18
  Eve,
• 25:18
  1999.
• 25:19
  I
• 25:20
  said,
• 25:20
  if
• 25:20
  I'm
• 25:20
  gonna
• 25:20
  go
• 25:20
  down,
• 25:21
  I'm
• 25:21
  gonna
• 25:21
  go
• 25:21
  down
• 25:21
  in
• 25:21
  this
• 25:22
  ship.
• 25:23
  And
• 25:23
  I
• 25:23
  went
• 25:23
  to
• 25:24
  see
• 25:24
  Murphy's
• 25:24
  Law
• 25:24
  at
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  Pyramid
• 25:25
  in
• 25:25
  New
• 25:26
  York.
• 25:26
  Pyramid
• 25:26
  was
• 25:26
  like
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  legendary
• 25:27
  spot
• 25:28
  for
• 25:28
  us.
• 25:29
  And
• 25:29
  I
• 25:29
  remember
• 25:29
  it
• 25:30
  was
• 25:30
  99.
• 25:30
  We're
• 25:30
  all
• 25:30
  worried
• 25:31
  about
• 25:31
  2k
• 25:31
  happening
• 25:32
  and
• 25:32
  everything
• 25:33
  going
• 25:33
  kaput
• 25:34
  at
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  turn
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  century.
• 25:35
  And
• 25:36
  I
• 25:36
  remember
• 25:36
  Jimmy
• 25:37
  Gestapo,
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  singer
• 25:38
  goes,
• 25:39
  don't
• 25:39
  worry
• 25:39
  if
• 25:40
  everything
• 25:40
  up.
• 25:41
  I
• 25:41
  got
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  van
• 25:41
  outside.
• 25:41
  I'm
• 25:42
  taking
• 25:42
  us
• 25:42
  all
• 25:42
  back
• 25:42
  to
• 25:42
  Queens,
• 25:45
  all
• 25:45
  of
• 25:45
  you.
• 25:46
  But
• 25:46
  still,
• 25:46
  it
• 25:47
  was
• 25:47
  still
• 25:47
  that
• 25:47
  sense
• 25:48
  of
• 25:48
  we're
• 25:48
  here,
• 25:49
  this
• 25:49
  is
• 25:50
  still
• 25:50
  may
• 25:50
  have.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:52
  things
• 25:53
  are
• 25:53
  completely
• 25:53
  different
• 25:54
  in
• 25:54
  2000
• 25:54
  than
• 25:55
  they
• 25:55
  were
• 25:55
  in
• 25:55
  the
• 25:55
  90s.
• 25:56
  But
• 25:57
  we're
• 25:57
  still
• 25:57
  here.
• 25:58
  Yeah,
• 25:58
  we're
• 25:58
  still
• 25:58
  all.
• 25:58
  You
• 25:59
  know
• 25:59
  what
• 25:59
  I
• 25:59
  mean?
• 25:59
  And
• 25:59
  that
• 26:00
  any.
• 26:00
  It
• 26:00
  was
• 26:01
  funny
• 26:01
  to
• 26:01
  see
• 26:01
  them
• 26:01
  with
• 26:01
  tuxes.
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  played
• 26:02
  with
• 26:02
  them
• 26:03
  when
• 26:03
  I
• 26:03
  was
• 26:03
  like
• 26:03
  15,
• 26:04
  16.
• 26:04
  He
• 26:05
  didn't
• 26:05
  remember
• 26:05
  me.
• 26:06
  But
• 26:07
  yeah,
• 26:07
  that
• 26:07
  was
• 26:07
  the
• 26:08
  last
• 26:08
  true
• 26:09
  hardcore
• 26:10
  punk.
• 26:10
  I
• 26:10
  forget
• 26:10
  who
• 26:11
  else
• 26:11
  played,
• 26:11
  but
• 26:12
  Murphy's
• 26:12
  Love
• 26:13
  was
• 26:13
  phenomenal.
• 26:13
  They
• 26:13
  were
• 26:14
  awesome.
• 26:14
  Yeah.
• 26:15
  So
• 26:15
  just
• 26:15
  going
• 26:15
  back
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  that.
• 26:16
  Your
• 26:17
  early
• 26:18
  foundational
• 26:18
  music
• 26:19
  days
• 26:19
  coming
• 26:20
  up.
• 26:21
  What
• 26:22
  like,
• 26:22
  do
• 26:23
  you.
• 26:24
  Is
• 26:24
  there
• 26:24
  anything
• 26:24
  that
• 26:25
  sticks
• 26:25
  out
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  like,
• 26:27
  you
• 26:27
  still
• 26:28
  carry
• 26:28
  with
• 26:28
  you
• 26:28
  to
• 26:29
  today?
• 26:29
  Like,
• 26:29
  any
• 26:31
  ideas,
• 26:31
  ethos?
• 26:32
  Absolutely.
• 26:33
  I
• 26:33
  had
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  pleasure
• 26:34
  in
• 26:34
  the.
• 26:34
  In
• 26:35
  my
• 26:35
  early
• 26:35
  20s
• 26:36
  to
• 26:36
  meet
• 26:36
  Ari
• 26:37
  up
• 26:37
  from
• 26:37
  the
• 26:37
  Slits.
• 26:38
  She
• 26:38
  actually
• 26:39
  lived
• 26:39
  in
• 26:39
  Brooklyn
• 26:39
  for
• 26:40
  years
• 26:40
  and
• 26:40
  she
• 26:41
  lived
• 26:41
  in
• 26:41
  my
• 26:41
  neighborhood
• 26:42
  and
• 26:42
  we
• 26:42
  had
• 26:43
  mutual
• 26:43
  friends
• 26:43
  and
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  bass
• 26:45
  player
• 26:45
  in
• 26:45
  my
• 26:45
  band
• 26:45
  would
• 26:46
  always
• 26:46
  go,
• 26:46
  yeah,
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  got
• 26:47
  this
• 26:47
  friend,
• 26:47
  Ariana,
• 26:48
  and
• 26:48
  she
• 26:49
  sang
• 26:49
  in
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  Slits.
• 26:49
  And
• 26:49
  I'd
• 26:50
  heard
• 26:50
  of
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  Slits,
• 26:51
  never
• 26:51
  heard
• 26:51
  any
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  their
• 26:52
  music.
• 26:52
  But
• 26:53
  he
• 26:53
  kept
• 26:53
  bragging
• 26:53
  about
• 26:54
  her,
• 26:54
  for
• 26:54
  a
• 26:54
  good
• 26:54
  year,
• 26:55
  she's
• 26:55
  trying
• 26:55
  to
• 26:56
  get
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  band
• 26:56
  back
• 26:56
  together.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:58
  she's
• 26:58
  in
• 26:58
  the.
• 26:59
  She's
• 26:59
  in
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  history
• 26:59
  of
• 26:59
  rock
• 27:00
  and
• 27:00
  roll
• 27:01
  documentary.
• 27:01
  So
• 27:02
  he
• 27:02
  was
• 27:02
  blown
• 27:02
  away
• 27:02
  by
• 27:02
  this.
• 27:03
  Again,
• 27:03
  I'd
• 27:04
  never
• 27:04
  heard.
• 27:04
  Yeah,
• 27:05
  she
• 27:05
  actually
• 27:05
  comes
• 27:06
  down
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  jam
• 27:06
  with
• 27:06
  us
• 27:07
  at
• 27:07
  a
• 27:07
  studio
• 27:08
  session.
• 27:08
  And
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  meet
• 27:09
  her.
• 27:09
  She's
• 27:09
  got
• 27:09
  long
• 27:10
  dreadlocks.
• 27:10
  She
• 27:10
  had
• 27:10
  dreadlocks
• 27:11
  down
• 27:11
  to
• 27:12
  her.
• 27:12
  Way
• 27:13
  past
• 27:13
  her,
• 27:13
  like,
• 27:14
  down
• 27:14
  to
• 27:14
  her
• 27:14
  knees,
• 27:14
  basically.
• 27:15
  And
• 27:15
  she
• 27:15
  was
• 27:15
  really
• 27:15
  tall.
• 27:16
  She.
• 27:16
  The
• 27:17
  Slits
• 27:17
  came
• 27:17
  up
• 27:18
  with
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  Clash
• 27:19
  and
• 27:19
  Pistols.
• 27:20
  They
• 27:20
  were
• 27:20
  from
• 27:20
  that
• 27:20
  era.
• 27:21
  They
• 27:21
  came
• 27:21
  up
• 27:21
  late
• 27:22
  70s,
• 27:22
  early
• 27:22
  80s.
• 27:23
  Joe
• 27:23
  Strummer
• 27:24
  taught
• 27:24
  her
• 27:24
  to
• 27:24
  play
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  guitar.
• 27:26
  There
• 27:26
  were
• 27:26
  a
• 27:27
  couple
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  songs
• 27:27
  and
• 27:27
  a
• 27:27
  couple
• 27:27
  of
• 27:28
  bands
• 27:28
  that
• 27:28
  were
• 27:28
  becoming
• 27:29
  acceptable
• 27:29
  to.
• 27:30
  To
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  wider
• 27:31
  community
• 27:31
  because
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  think.
• 27:32
  I
• 27:33
  think
• 27:33
  just
• 27:33
  things
• 27:33
  were
• 27:33
  changing,
• 27:33
  you
• 27:34
  know,
• 27:34
  I
• 27:35
  remember
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  Beastie
• 27:35
  Boys,
• 27:35
  Check
• 27:36
  your
• 27:36
  Head
• 27:36
  album
• 27:36
  being
• 27:36
  a
• 27:37
  big
• 27:37
  game
• 27:37
  changer
• 27:38
  where
• 27:39
  we
• 27:39
  kind
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  bridged
• 27:40
  a
• 27:40
  gap
• 27:40
  Judgment
• 27:41
  Night
• 27:41
  soundtrack.
• 27:42
  So
• 27:42
  all
• 27:42
  that
• 27:42
  stuff
• 27:43
  started
• 27:43
  to
• 27:44
  kind
• 27:44
  of
• 27:44
  change
• 27:44
  people's
• 27:45
  minds.
• 27:45
  But
• 27:46
  ultimately,
• 27:47
  I
• 27:47
  had
• 27:47
  to
• 27:48
  make
• 27:48
  a
• 27:48
  decision
• 27:48
  somewhere
• 27:49
  in
• 27:49
  the
• 27:49
  middle
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  high
• 27:50
  school.
• 27:50
  Like,
• 27:51
  am
• 27:51
  I
• 27:51
  trying
• 27:51
  to
• 27:52
  please
• 27:52
  everybody
• 27:52
  or
• 27:53
  trying
• 27:53
  to
• 27:53
  please
• 27:53
  myself?
• 27:54
  And
• 27:54
  at
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  end
• 27:54
  of
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  day,
• 27:55
  I'm
• 27:55
  much
• 27:55
  more.
• 27:56
  I
• 27:56
  was
• 27:57
  much
• 27:57
  more.
• 27:58
  I'm
• 27:58
  gonna
• 27:59
  be
• 27:59
  who
• 27:59
  I
• 27:59
  am.
• 27:59
  I'm
• 28:00
  gonna
• 28:00
  get
• 28:00
  into
• 28:00
  what
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  like.
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  don't
• 28:02
  care
• 28:02
  who
• 28:02
  likes
• 28:03
  it,
• 28:03
  who
• 28:03
  cares
• 28:03
  about
• 28:03
  it
• 28:03
  if
• 28:04
  kids
• 28:04
  want
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  beat
• 28:04
  me
• 28:04
  up.
• 28:04
  Because
• 28:04
  I
• 28:05
  listen
• 28:05
  to,
• 28:05
  you
• 28:05
  know,
• 28:05
  Metallica
• 28:06
  and,
• 28:06
  you
• 28:07
  know,
• 28:07
  Big
• 28:07
  Daddy
• 28:07
  Kane
• 28:08
  or
• 28:08
  whoever
• 28:08
  they
• 28:08
  wanted
• 28:09
  me
• 28:09
  to.
• 28:09
  And
• 28:09
  the
• 28:09
  funny
• 28:09
  thing
• 28:09
  is,
• 28:10
  I
• 28:10
  listen
• 28:10
  to
• 28:10
  everything.
• 28:11
  You
• 28:11
  know
• 28:11
  what
• 28:11
  I
• 28:11
  mean?
• 28:11
  I
• 28:12
  listened
• 28:12
  to
• 28:12
  50s
• 28:12
  jazz
• 28:13
  at
• 28:13
  the
• 28:13
  same
• 28:13
  time
• 28:13
  that
• 28:13
  I
• 28:14
  was
• 28:14
  listening
• 28:14
  to,
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  know,
• 28:14
  PE
• 28:15
  and
• 28:15
  Anthrax
• 28:16
  and
• 28:16
  Metallica
• 28:17
  and
• 28:17
  guns
• 28:17
  and,
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  know,
• 28:17
  and
• 28:18
  all
• 28:18
  that
• 28:18
  stuff.
• 28:18
  High
• 28:19
  school
• 28:19
  was
• 28:19
  it.
• 28:19
  It
• 28:20
  was
• 28:20
  a
• 28:20
  little
• 28:20
  bit
• 28:20
  of
• 28:20
  a
• 28:21
  problem,
• 28:21
  but
• 28:21
  not.
• 28:22
  No
• 28:22
  one
• 28:22
  ever
• 28:23
  tried
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  beat
• 28:23
  me
• 28:23
  up.
• 28:24
  But
• 28:24
  there
• 28:25
  were
• 28:25
  definitely
• 28:25
  threats
• 28:26
  made
• 28:26
  here
• 28:27
  and
• 28:27
  there,
• 28:28
  but
• 28:28
  you're
• 28:28
  not
• 28:28
  supposed
• 28:29
  to
• 28:29
  be
• 28:29
  listening
• 28:29
  to
• 28:29
  that.
• 28:30
  Who
• 28:30
  says
• 28:31
  I'm
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  kind
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  personality.
• 28:33
  If
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  tell
• 28:33
  me
• 28:33
  that
• 28:33
  I'm
• 28:34
  not
• 28:34
  supposed
• 28:34
  to,
• 28:34
  I'll
• 28:35
  lean
• 28:35
  into
• 28:35
  it
• 28:35
  even
• 28:35
  further.
• 28:36
  So
• 28:36
  it
• 28:36
  never.
• 28:37
  I
• 28:37
  didn't
• 28:38
  let
• 28:38
  that
• 28:38
  bother
• 28:38
  me
• 28:38
  for
• 28:39
  one
• 28:39
  second
• 28:40
  again.
• 28:40
  The
• 28:40
  people
• 28:41
  in
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  community
• 28:42
  were
• 28:43
  pretty
• 28:43
  accepting
• 28:43
  of
• 28:43
  me.
• 28:44
  And
• 28:44
  I
• 28:44
  still
• 28:44
  notice
• 28:45
  this
• 28:45
  to
• 28:45
  this
• 28:45
  day.
• 28:46
  I
• 28:46
  don't
• 28:46
  know
• 28:46
  if
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  get
• 28:46
  it.
• 28:47
  I'll
• 28:48
  do
• 28:48
  a
• 28:48
  show,
• 28:48
  I'll
• 28:49
  come
• 28:49
  off
• 28:49
  stage
• 28:49
  and
• 28:50
  I'll
• 28:50
  get,
• 28:51
  you
• 28:51
  know,
• 28:51
  you
• 28:52
  get
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  congratulations,
• 28:52
  all
• 28:52
  good
• 28:53
  shit,
• 28:53
  whatever,
• 28:53
  you
• 28:53
  know,
• 28:53
  that
• 28:53
  was
• 28:54
  great.
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  liked
• 28:54
  what
• 28:54
  you
• 28:54
  did.
• 28:54
  But
• 28:55
  then
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  largely
• 28:55
  get
• 28:56
  like,
• 28:56
  you
• 28:56
  know,
• 28:56
  no
• 28:56
  one's
• 28:56
  talking
• 28:57
  to
• 28:57
  me
• 28:57
  out
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  these
• 28:57
  shows.
• 28:58
  So
• 28:59
  I've
• 28:59
  never
• 28:59
  been
• 28:59
  able
• 28:59
  to
• 28:59
  figure
• 29:00
  out,
• 29:00
  is
• 29:00
  it
• 29:00
  because
• 29:00
  people
• 29:01
  don't
• 29:01
  want
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  approach
• 29:01
  me,
• 29:02
  is
• 29:02
  it,
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  don't
• 29:03
  know
• 29:03
  what
• 29:03
  that
• 29:03
  is.
• 29:04
  But
• 29:05
  again,
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:06
  always
• 29:06
  been
• 29:06
  a
• 29:06
  little
• 29:06
  weird
• 29:06
  for
• 29:06
  me
• 29:06
  because
• 29:07
  I
• 29:07
  never,
• 29:07
  never
• 29:08
  really
• 29:08
  had
• 29:08
  the
• 29:08
  experience
• 29:08
  of
• 29:09
  sitting
• 29:09
  and
• 29:09
  watching
• 29:10
  these
• 29:10
  shows
• 29:10
  as
• 29:10
  much
• 29:10
  as
• 29:10
  being
• 29:11
  a
• 29:11
  participant
• 29:11
  in
• 29:11
  them.
• 29:12
  So
• 29:12
  you're
• 29:12
  seeing
• 29:12
  it
• 29:13
  a
• 29:13
  little
• 29:13
  bit
• 29:13
  differently
• 29:14
  than
• 29:14
  I'm
• 29:15
  just
• 29:15
  a
• 29:15
  person
• 29:15
  in
• 29:15
  this
• 29:16
  community.
• 29:16
  I'm
• 29:16
  a
• 29:16
  performer,
• 29:17
  so
• 29:17
  I'm
• 29:17
  kind
• 29:17
  of,
• 29:18
  I
• 29:18
  don't
• 29:18
  know
• 29:18
  if
• 29:18
  I'm
• 29:18
  making
• 29:19
  sense,
• 29:19
  but
• 29:19
  I,
• 29:19
  I
• 29:19
  kind
• 29:19
  of
• 29:20
  came
• 29:20
  in
• 29:20
  a
• 29:20
  different
• 29:20
  way
• 29:21
  than
• 29:21
  most
• 29:22
  people.
• 29:22
  You're
• 29:22
  coming
• 29:22
  up
• 29:23
  getting
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  certain
• 29:23
  level
• 29:24
  of
• 29:24
  attention
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  you
• 29:26
  wouldn't
• 29:26
  normally
• 29:26
  get
• 29:27
  just
• 29:27
  as
• 29:27
  a
• 29:27
  fan,
• 29:27
  just
• 29:28
  sitting
• 29:28
  there.
• 29:30
  So
• 29:30
  I've
• 29:30
  never,
• 29:31
  I
• 29:31
  don't
• 29:31
  know
• 29:31
  that
• 29:31
  I'm
• 29:34
  any
• 29:35
  opposition
• 29:35
  to
• 29:35
  what
• 29:35
  I
• 29:35
  was
• 29:36
  doing
• 29:36
  or
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  vibe
• 29:38
  or
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  music
• 29:38
  that
• 29:39
  I
• 29:39
  was
• 29:39
  into.
• 29:39
  Again,
• 29:40
  when
• 29:41
  it
• 29:41
  did
• 29:41
  present
• 29:41
  itself
• 29:42
  as
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  problem,
• 29:42
  I
• 29:42
  beat
• 29:42
  it
• 29:43
  back.
• 29:43
  It
• 29:43
  was
• 29:43
  not
• 29:43
  something
• 29:44
  that
• 29:44
  I
• 29:44
  paid
• 29:44
  much
• 29:45
  mind
• 29:45
  to.
• 29:48
  I,
• 29:48
  I,
• 29:48
  it
• 29:49
  just,
• 29:49
  I'm
• 29:50
  not
• 29:50
  sure
• 29:50
  I
• 29:51
  started
• 29:51
  touching
• 29:51
  on
• 29:51
  it
• 29:52
  with,
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  know,
• 29:52
  like
• 29:52
  the
• 29:52
  Beastie
• 29:53
  Boys
• 29:53
  and
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  Anthrax
• 29:54
  coming
• 29:54
  out
• 29:54
  and
• 29:54
  music
• 29:55
  started
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  change
• 29:55
  when
• 29:55
  people
• 29:55
  started
• 29:56
  becoming
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  little
• 29:56
  more
• 29:56
  open
• 29:57
  minded.
• 29:57
  You
• 29:58
  had
• 29:58
  this
• 29:58
  whole
• 29:58
  alternative
• 29:58
  thing
• 29:59
  where
• 29:59
  now
• 29:59
  it's
• 29:59
  not
• 29:59
  even,
• 30:00
  it's,
• 30:00
  it's
• 30:00
  a
• 30:00
  rock
• 30:00
  based
• 30:01
  thing,
• 30:01
  but
• 30:01
  there's
• 30:01
  other
• 30:02
  genres
• 30:02
  involved.
• 30:02
  So
• 30:02
  now
• 30:03
  it's,
• 30:03
  it's
• 30:03
  kind
• 30:03
  of
• 30:03
  softening
• 30:04
  people
• 30:04
  up
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  the
• 30:04
  idea.
• 30:05
  I
• 30:05
  mean,
• 30:05
  yeah,
• 30:05
  games
• 30:05
  like
• 30:05
  Fishbone
• 30:06
  too,
• 30:06
  which
• 30:06
  were
• 30:07
  all
• 30:07
  over
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  place,
• 30:07
  right?
• 30:08
  Yes.
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  mean,
• 30:08
  just
• 30:09
  musically
• 30:09
  and
• 30:09
  what
• 30:09
  they're
• 30:09
  putting
• 30:09
  out
• 30:10
  there,
• 30:10
  I
• 30:10
  mean,
• 30:10
  just
• 30:10
  all
• 30:10
  over
• 30:10
  the
• 30:11
  place
• 30:11
  and
• 30:11
  just
• 30:11
  amazing
• 30:11
  stuff.
• 30:12
  But
• 30:12
  like
• 30:12
  going,
• 30:13
  you
• 30:13
  know,
• 30:13
  going
• 30:13
  back
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  your
• 30:13
  point
• 30:14
  and
• 30:14
  again,
• 30:14
  this
• 30:14
  is,
• 30:14
  you
• 30:14
  know,
• 30:14
  I'm
• 30:15
  obviously
• 30:15
  white
• 30:16
  person,
• 30:16
  so
• 30:16
  my
• 30:16
  experience
• 30:16
  is,
• 30:17
  is
• 30:17
  different,
• 30:18
  is
• 30:18
  I
• 30:18
  never
• 30:19
  really
• 30:19
  understood
• 30:19
  like
• 30:20
  the,
• 30:21
  well,
• 30:21
  this
• 30:21
  is
• 30:22
  like
• 30:22
  white
• 30:23
  music
• 30:23
  and
• 30:23
  this
• 30:23
  is
• 30:24
  black
• 30:24
  music
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  this
• 30:24
  is
• 30:25
  whatever,
• 30:25
  like,
• 30:26
  you
• 30:26
  know,
• 30:26
  it
• 30:26
  just
• 30:26
  never
• 30:27
  made
• 30:27
  sense
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  me
• 30:29
  again.
• 30:30
  I
• 30:30
  realize
• 30:30
  I,
• 30:31
  I'm
• 30:31
  white
• 30:31
  and
• 30:32
  saying
• 30:32
  that
• 30:33
  but,
• 30:33
  but
• 30:34
  you
• 30:34
  know,
• 30:34
  just
• 30:35
  looking,
• 30:35
  looking
• 30:35
  at
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  history
• 30:36
  of
• 30:36
  music.
• 30:36
  Right.
• 30:37
  So,
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  know,
• 30:38
  you,
• 30:38
  we've
• 30:38
  both
• 30:38
  mentioned
• 30:39
  Public
• 30:39
  Enemy
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  couple
• 30:40
  times.
• 30:41
  You
• 30:42
  know,
• 30:42
  a
• 30:42
  couple
• 30:42
  years
• 30:42
  ago
• 30:44
  there
• 30:44
  was
• 30:44
  a
• 30:44
  podcast
• 30:45
  that
• 30:45
  came
• 30:45
  out
• 30:45
  about
• 30:45
  the
• 30:45
  Clash
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  Chuck
• 30:46
  D
• 30:47
  narrated
• 30:48
  that
• 30:48
  podcast.
• 30:48
  Really?
• 30:49
  Okay.
• 30:50
  And
• 30:50
  in
• 30:50
  the
• 30:50
  podcast,
• 30:51
  you
• 30:51
  know,
• 30:51
  first
• 30:51
  or
• 30:52
  second,
• 30:52
  you
• 30:52
  know,
• 30:52
  episode
• 30:53
  of
• 30:53
  it,
• 30:53
  he's
• 30:53
  saying,
• 30:53
  you
• 30:54
  Know,
• 30:54
  without.
• 30:55
  Without
• 30:55
  the
• 30:55
  Clash,
• 30:56
  without
• 30:56
  his
• 30:56
  love
• 30:57
  for
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  Clash,
• 30:57
  there
• 30:57
  wouldn't
• 30:58
  be
• 30:58
  a
• 30:58
  Public
• 30:59
  Enemy.
• 30:59
  Yeah.
• 31:00
  Which.
• 31:01
  Which
• 31:01
  is
• 31:01
  interesting
• 31:02
  because
• 31:02
  without,
• 31:03
  like,
• 31:03
  reggae
• 31:04
  and
• 31:04
  ska.
• 31:05
  Yeah.
• 31:06
  For
• 31:06
  sure.
• 31:06
  There'd
• 31:07
  be
• 31:07
  no
• 31:07
  Clash,
• 31:08
  you
• 31:08
  know,
• 31:08
  so.
• 31:08
  So
• 31:09
  it's,
• 31:09
  It's.
• 31:09
  This
• 31:10
  is
• 31:10
  cool.
• 31:11
  You
• 31:11
  know,
• 31:12
  it's
• 31:12
  this
• 31:12
  cultural
• 31:13
  back
• 31:13
  and
• 31:13
  forth.
• 31:13
  So
• 31:14
  at
• 31:14
  what
• 31:14
  point
• 31:14
  in
• 31:14
  time,
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  know,
• 31:15
  just
• 31:15
  really
• 31:16
  music
• 31:16
  belong
• 31:16
  to.
• 31:17
  I
• 31:17
  think
• 31:17
  it's.
• 31:18
  It's
• 31:18
  just
• 31:18
  like
• 31:19
  Aria
• 31:19
  told
• 31:20
  me,
• 31:20
  it's
• 31:20
  a
• 31:20
  media
• 31:21
  thing.
• 31:21
  It's.
• 31:21
  It's.
• 31:22
  It's
• 31:22
  more
• 31:23
  how
• 31:23
  people
• 31:23
  are
• 31:24
  marketing
• 31:24
  things
• 31:25
  than
• 31:25
  what,
• 31:25
  the
• 31:26
  crowds,
• 31:26
  actually.
• 31:27
  Obviously,
• 31:28
  a
• 31:28
  guy
• 31:28
  like
• 31:28
  Chuck
• 31:28
  D
• 31:29
  can
• 31:29
  hear
• 31:29
  something,
• 31:30
  be
• 31:30
  influenced
• 31:30
  by
• 31:31
  and
• 31:31
  tell
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  about
• 31:32
  it,
• 31:32
  but
• 31:33
  if
• 31:34
  you
• 31:34
  read
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  paper
• 31:35
  that
• 31:35
  you
• 31:35
  don't
• 31:36
  know
• 31:36
  necessarily,
• 31:37
  you
• 31:37
  wouldn't
• 31:38
  necessarily
• 31:38
  be
• 31:38
  led
• 31:38
  to
• 31:39
  believe
• 31:39
  that
• 31:39
  that's
• 31:40
  happening
• 31:40
  at
• 31:40
  all.
• 31:40
  You
• 31:41
  know
• 31:41
  what
• 31:41
  I
• 31:41
  mean?
• 31:43
  Right.
• 31:43
  I
• 31:44
  think
• 31:44
  it's
• 31:44
  much
• 31:45
  more
• 31:45
  acceptable
• 31:46
  now
• 31:46
  for
• 31:47
  these
• 31:47
  guys
• 31:47
  to
• 31:47
  genre
• 31:48
  hop
• 31:48
  the
• 31:48
  way
• 31:48
  they
• 31:48
  do
• 31:49
  than
• 31:49
  in
• 31:49
  our
• 31:50
  time.
• 31:50
  It
• 31:50
  was.
• 31:50
  Judgment
• 31:51
  Night
• 31:51
  was
• 31:51
  a
• 31:51
  complete
• 31:52
  departure
• 31:52
  from
• 31:53
  everything.
• 31:55
  Just
• 31:55
  these
• 31:55
  guys
• 31:55
  working
• 31:56
  side
• 31:56
  by
• 31:56
  side.
• 31:56
  Equal
• 31:57
  billing
• 31:57
  was
• 31:57
  a
• 31:57
  big,
• 31:58
  huge
• 31:58
  deal.
• 31:59
  And
• 31:59
  now
• 32:00
  it's
• 32:00
  kind
• 32:00
  of
• 32:00
  like
• 32:00
  normal.
• 32:01
  Jay
• 32:01
  Z
• 32:01
  did
• 32:01
  a
• 32:02
  whole
• 32:02
  album
• 32:02
  with
• 32:02
  Lincoln
• 32:02
  Park.
• 32:03
  You
• 32:03
  know
• 32:03
  what
• 32:03
  I
• 32:03
  mean?
• 32:05
  You
• 32:05
  know
• 32:05
  what
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  mean?
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  didn't
• 32:06
  even
• 32:06
  hear
• 32:06
  the
• 32:07
  album.
• 32:09
  Well,
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  then
• 32:10
  even,
• 32:10
  you
• 32:10
  know,
• 32:10
  even
• 32:10
  with,
• 32:11
  like,
• 32:11
  punk
• 32:11
  hardcore,
• 32:12
  you
• 32:12
  had
• 32:12
  bad
• 32:12
  brains,
• 32:13
  right?
• 32:14
  Yes.
• 32:14
  I
• 32:15
  mean,
• 32:15
  they
• 32:15
  were
• 32:15
  doing
• 32:16
  stuff.
• 32:16
  247
• 32:17
  buys.
• 32:18
  Yeah,
• 32:18
  yeah.
• 32:19
  You
• 32:19
  know,
• 32:19
  they
• 32:20
  were
• 32:20
  doing
• 32:20
  stuff
• 32:20
  before,
• 32:21
  you
• 32:21
  know,
• 32:21
  before
• 32:22
  anybody
• 32:22
  was
• 32:22
  thinking
• 32:22
  about
• 32:23
  it.
• 32:23
  Yeah.
• 32:25
  You
• 32:25
  know,
• 32:25
  just.
• 32:26
  Just
• 32:26
  the
• 32:26
  speed
• 32:27
  and
• 32:27
  the
• 32:27
  ferocity
• 32:28
  and
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  lyrical
• 32:30
  delivery
• 32:30
  and
• 32:31
  it's
• 32:31
  just
• 32:32
  100,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:33
  know,
• 32:33
  and
• 32:34
  they
• 32:34
  were
• 32:34
  sort
• 32:34
  of
• 32:34
  all
• 32:34
  over
• 32:34
  the
• 32:35
  place
• 32:35
  as
• 32:35
  well,
• 32:35
  because,
• 32:35
  you
• 32:36
  know,
• 32:36
  that
• 32:36
  you'd
• 32:36
  be,
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  know,
• 32:37
  listening
• 32:37
  to
• 32:38
  that
• 32:38
  album
• 32:38
  just
• 32:38
  like,
• 32:39
  you
• 32:39
  know,
• 32:39
  all
• 32:39
  this,
• 32:39
  and
• 32:40
  then
• 32:40
  all
• 32:40
  of
• 32:40
  a
• 32:40
  sudden
• 32:40
  there's,
• 32:41
  you
• 32:41
  know,
• 32:41
  this,
• 32:42
  you
• 32:42
  know,
• 32:42
  real
• 32:42
  chill,
• 32:43
  laid
• 32:43
  back,
• 32:43
  like,
• 32:44
  reggae
• 32:45
  song.
• 32:45
  Yeah,
• 32:46
  yeah,
• 32:48
  yeah.
• 32:48
  I
• 32:49
  think
• 32:49
  I'm
• 32:50
  going
• 32:50
  to
• 32:50
  attribute
• 32:50
  this
• 32:51
  quote
• 32:51
  to
• 32:52
  Louis
• 32:52
  Armstrong,
• 32:53
  but
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  believe
• 32:54
  he
• 32:54
  was.
• 32:54
  He
• 32:55
  was
• 32:55
  being
• 32:55
  interviewed
• 32:56
  because
• 32:57
  he
• 32:57
  was
• 32:58
  playing
• 32:59
  the
• 32:59
  Newsport
• 32:59
  Jazz
• 33:00
  Fest
• 33:00
  or
• 33:00
  the
• 33:01
  Newport
• 33:02
  Folk
• 33:03
  Fest.
• 33:03
  Okay.
• 33:04
  And
• 33:05
  they
• 33:05
  were,
• 33:05
  you
• 33:06
  know,
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  interviewer
• 33:06
  was
• 33:07
  asking
• 33:07
  him,
• 33:07
  why
• 33:08
  are
• 33:08
  you
• 33:08
  playing
• 33:09
  a
• 33:10
  folk
• 33:10
  festival?
• 33:10
  You're
• 33:11
  not
• 33:11
  a
• 33:11
  folk
• 33:12
  music
• 33:12
  musician.
• 33:13
  You're
• 33:13
  a
• 33:13
  jazz
• 33:14
  musician.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:15
  his.
• 33:16
  His
• 33:16
  response
• 33:17
  was,
• 33:18
  you
• 33:18
  know,
• 33:18
  all
• 33:19
  music
• 33:19
  is
• 33:19
  folk
• 33:20
  music.
• 33:20
  I've
• 33:20
  never
• 33:21
  heard
• 33:21
  a
• 33:21
  horse
• 33:21
  sing
• 33:22
  a
• 33:22
  song
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  that,
• 33:27
  you
• 33:28
  know,
• 33:28
  I
• 33:28
  may
• 33:28
  have
• 33:28
  taken
• 33:29
  that,
• 33:29
  you
• 33:29
  know,
• 33:29
  out
• 33:29
  of
• 33:29
  context
• 33:30
  somewhat
• 33:30
  or
• 33:31
  whatever,
• 33:32
  but.
• 33:32
  But
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  remember
• 33:33
  very
• 33:34
  clearly
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  first
• 33:34
  time
• 33:35
  I
• 33:35
  read
• 33:35
  that
• 33:35
  quote
• 33:36
  from
• 33:36
  him.
• 33:36
  And
• 33:36
  I
• 33:36
  was
• 33:36
  in
• 33:37
  high
• 33:37
  school.
• 33:37
  I
• 33:37
  was
• 33:37
  like
• 33:38
  16,
• 33:38
  17
• 33:39
  at
• 33:39
  the
• 33:39
  time
• 33:39
  when
• 33:39
  I.
• 33:39
  When
• 33:39
  I
• 33:40
  read
• 33:40
  that
• 33:40
  quote
• 33:40
  from
• 33:40
  him,
• 33:41
  and
• 33:41
  that
• 33:41
  was
• 33:41
  from
• 33:41
  obviously
• 33:42
  a
• 33:42
  very
• 33:43
  much
• 33:43
  earlier
• 33:43
  interview
• 33:44
  than
• 33:44
  that
• 33:45
  or
• 33:45
  time
• 33:45
  than
• 33:46
  that,
• 33:47
  and
• 33:47
  it
• 33:47
  just
• 33:48
  struck
• 33:48
  me
• 33:48
  because,
• 33:49
  like,
• 33:49
  my
• 33:49
  musical
• 33:50
  influences,
• 33:50
  my
• 33:51
  musical
• 33:51
  tastes
• 33:51
  are
• 33:52
  all
• 33:52
  all
• 33:52
  over
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  place
• 33:53
  as
• 33:53
  well.
• 33:54
  You
• 33:54
  know,
• 33:54
  I
• 33:55
  love.
• 33:55
  I
• 33:56
  love
• 33:56
  jazz,
• 33:56
  I
• 33:56
  love
• 33:56
  hip
• 33:57
  hop,
• 33:57
  I
• 33:57
  love
• 33:57
  punk,
• 33:57
  I
• 33:58
  love
• 33:58
  metal,
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  love
• 33:58
  folk,
• 33:59
  I
• 33:59
  love
• 33:59
  Americana,
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  love
• 34:01
  all
• 34:01
  over
• 34:01
  the
• 34:01
  place,
• 34:02
  you
• 34:02
  know,
• 34:02
  And.
• 34:03
  And
• 34:03
  for
• 34:03
  me,
• 34:04
  when
• 34:04
  I'm
• 34:05
  listening
• 34:06
  to
• 34:06
  music,
• 34:07
  all
• 34:07
  I'm
• 34:08
  looking
• 34:08
  for
• 34:08
  is
• 34:08
  for.
• 34:09
  For
• 34:09
  something
• 34:09
  that
• 34:10
  makes.
• 34:10
  That
• 34:10
  makes
• 34:11
  me
• 34:11
  feel
• 34:11
  something
• 34:12
  right.
• 34:13
  I
• 34:13
  just
• 34:13
  want.
• 34:13
  I
• 34:14
  just
• 34:14
  want
• 34:14
  to
• 34:14
  feel.
• 34:15
  And
• 34:16
  there's
• 34:16
  plenty
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  music
• 34:16
  out
• 34:17
  there
• 34:17
  from
• 34:17
  all
• 34:17
  those
• 34:17
  genres
• 34:18
  that
• 34:18
  doesn't
• 34:18
  make
• 34:19
  me
• 34:19
  feel,
• 34:19
  you
• 34:19
  know,
• 34:20
  but
• 34:20
  it
• 34:20
  doesn't
• 34:20
  matter
• 34:21
  what
• 34:21
  instruments
• 34:21
  are
• 34:21
  being
• 34:22
  played
• 34:22
  or
• 34:22
  what's
• 34:22
  not
• 34:22
  being
• 34:22
  played
• 34:23
  or
• 34:23
  how
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  person
• 34:23
  is
• 34:24
  singing
• 34:24
  or
• 34:24
  speaking
• 34:25
  or
• 34:25
  yelling
• 34:25
  or
• 34:26
  rhyming
• 34:27
  or
• 34:28
  whatever.
• 34:28
  Just
• 34:29
  like,
• 34:30
  I
• 34:30
  just
• 34:30
  want
• 34:30
  to
• 34:30
  feel
• 34:31
  for
• 34:31
  sure.
• 34:32
  I
• 34:32
  think
• 34:33
  what
• 34:33
  struck
• 34:33
  with
• 34:34
  me
• 34:34
  as
• 34:34
  a
• 34:34
  kid
• 34:35
  was
• 34:35
  everything
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  was
• 34:36
  listening
• 34:37
  to
• 34:37
  had
• 34:37
  kind
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  rebellious
• 34:39
  aspect
• 34:40
  to
• 34:40
  it.
• 34:40
  So
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  could
• 34:41
  find
• 34:41
  that
• 34:41
  in
• 34:42
  rap.
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  could
• 34:42
  find
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  Iraq,
• 34:44
  and
• 34:44
  it
• 34:44
  was
• 34:44
  equal
• 34:45
  down
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  middle
• 34:46
  at
• 34:46
  that
• 34:46
  point.
• 34:46
  I
• 34:46
  think
• 34:47
  both
• 34:47
  of
• 34:47
  those
• 34:47
  genres
• 34:48
  have
• 34:48
  lost
• 34:48
  some
• 34:48
  teeth
• 34:49
  over
• 34:49
  the
• 34:49
  years,
• 34:50
  obviously,
• 34:50
  but
• 34:51
  the
• 34:51
  more
• 34:52
  money
• 34:52
  they
• 34:52
  started
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  make.
• 34:53
  But,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:54
  we
• 34:54
  were
• 34:55
  fortunate
• 34:55
  enough
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  have
• 34:55
  grown
• 34:56
  up
• 34:56
  around
• 34:56
  the
• 34:56
  time,
• 34:56
  it
• 34:56
  was
• 34:57
  still
• 34:57
  like,
• 34:58
  it
• 34:58
  was
• 34:58
  a
• 34:58
  big
• 34:58
  deal
• 34:59
  to
• 34:59
  see
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  rap
• 34:59
  act
• 35:00
  on
• 35:00
  national
• 35:00
  tv.
• 35:01
  It
• 35:01
  was
• 35:02
  a
• 35:02
  big
• 35:02
  deal.
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  remember
• 35:04
  watching
• 35:04
  Guns
• 35:05
  and
• 35:05
  Roses
• 35:05
  on
• 35:05
  live
• 35:05
  tv.
• 35:06
  They
• 35:06
  come
• 35:06
  up
• 35:06
  smashed
• 35:07
  and
• 35:07
  slash
• 35:07
  curses
• 35:08
  twice
• 35:09
  in
• 35:09
  live
• 35:09
  tv.
• 35:11
  He's
• 35:11
  still
• 35:11
  kind
• 35:11
  of,
• 35:11
  you
• 35:12
  know,
• 35:12
  I
• 35:12
  had
• 35:12
  a
• 35:12
  little
• 35:12
  bit
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  that
• 35:13
  going
• 35:13
  on.
• 35:13
  So
• 35:14
  I
• 35:14
  think
• 35:15
  within
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
  mainstream,
• 35:16
  you're.
• 35:17
  You're
• 35:17
  100%
• 35:18
  dead
• 35:18
  on.
• 35:18
  You
• 35:19
  know,
• 35:19
  a
• 35:19
  lot
• 35:19
  of
• 35:19
  those
• 35:19
  people
• 35:20
  have
• 35:20
  lost
• 35:21
  their
• 35:22
  edge.
• 35:23
  But
• 35:23
  I
• 35:24
  think
• 35:24
  within,
• 35:24
  like
• 35:25
  the.
• 35:25
  Still,
• 35:25
  like
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  underground
• 35:26
  DIY
• 35:27
  places
• 35:29
  like
• 35:30
  that
• 35:30
  edge
• 35:30
  and
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  anger
• 35:31
  and
• 35:31
  that
• 35:32
  rebelliousness
• 35:32
  is
• 35:33
  still
• 35:33
  there.
• 35:34
  Okay.
• 35:35
  Like
• 35:35
  I
• 35:36
  said,
• 35:36
  I.
• 35:36
  I
• 35:36
  mean,
• 35:36
  I
• 35:36
  took
• 35:36
  my
• 35:37
  son
• 35:37
  to
• 35:37
  see
• 35:37
  this
• 35:37
  band
• 35:38
  two
• 35:38
  years
• 35:38
  ago.
• 35:39
  They.
• 35:41
  And
• 35:41
  like
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  said,
• 35:42
  they
• 35:42
  were
• 35:42
  described
• 35:42
  as
• 35:42
  trap
• 35:43
  metal.
• 35:43
  So
• 35:44
  I
• 35:44
  don't
• 35:44
  know
• 35:44
  if
• 35:44
  you've
• 35:45
  ever
• 35:46
  right
• 35:46
  that
• 35:47
  you
• 35:47
  were
• 35:47
  talking
• 35:47
  about
• 35:47
  City
• 35:47
  Morgue.
• 35:48
  Yeah,
• 35:48
  yeah,
• 35:48
  yeah.
• 35:48
  Okay.
• 35:49
  City
• 35:49
  More.
• 35:49
  They're
• 35:50
  playing
• 35:50
  like
• 35:50
  old
• 35:51
  school
• 35:51
  metal
• 35:51
  and
• 35:52
  punk
• 35:52
  in
• 35:52
  between
• 35:53
  sets.
• 35:53
  That's
• 35:54
  what.
• 35:54
  That's
• 35:54
  what
• 35:54
  also
• 35:55
  kind
• 35:55
  of
• 35:55
  made
• 35:56
  me
• 35:56
  feel
• 35:56
  good
• 35:56
  too,
• 35:57
  because
• 35:57
  they
• 35:57
  know
• 35:57
  that
• 35:58
  what
• 35:58
  they're
• 35:58
  doing
• 35:58
  now
• 35:59
  stands
• 35:59
  on
• 35:59
  the
• 36:00
  back
• 36:00
  of
• 36:00
  all
• 36:00
  that
• 36:00
  stuff.
• 36:00
  So
• 36:01
  there's
• 36:01
  Slayer
• 36:01
  in
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  middle
• 36:02
  of
• 36:02
  stuff,
• 36:02
  there's
• 36:02
  AC
• 36:02
  DC
• 36:03
  in
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  middle
• 36:03
  of
• 36:03
  stuff,
• 36:04
  and
• 36:04
  then
• 36:05
  they're
• 36:05
  playing
• 36:05
  their
• 36:05
  original
• 36:06
  songs.
• 36:06
  The
• 36:07
  diversity
• 36:07
  struck
• 36:08
  me.
• 36:08
  The
• 36:08
  Pit
• 36:09
  struck
• 36:10
  Because
• 36:10
  that
• 36:10
  was
• 36:10
  like.
• 36:10
  That
• 36:11
  was
• 36:11
  one
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  the
• 36:11
  gnarliest
• 36:12
  but
• 36:12
  safest
• 36:12
  pits
• 36:13
  I've
• 36:13
  ever
• 36:13
  seen.
• 36:13
  There's
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  bunch
• 36:14
  of
• 36:14
  kids
• 36:15
  that
• 36:15
  are
• 36:15
  like,
• 36:15
  my
• 36:15
  son
• 36:16
  dated,
• 36:16
  you
• 36:16
  know,
• 36:16
  all
• 36:17
  17,
• 36:17
  18
• 36:18
  at
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  time,
• 36:20
  but
• 36:20
  they're
• 36:20
  all
• 36:20
  like
• 36:21
  teenagers,
• 36:21
  and
• 36:21
  they're
• 36:21
  actually
• 36:22
  like,
• 36:22
  it.
• 36:23
  It
• 36:23
  made
• 36:23
  me
• 36:24
  feel
• 36:24
  good,
• 36:24
  like
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  old
• 36:25
  man,
• 36:25
  because
• 36:25
  I'm
• 36:25
  there
• 36:25
  with
• 36:26
  the
• 36:26
  parents.
• 36:27
  Even
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  club,
• 36:29
  it
• 36:29
  was
• 36:29
  under
• 36:30
  21.
• 36:30
  They
• 36:31
  all
• 36:31
  had
• 36:31
  wrist.
• 36:31
  If
• 36:32
  you
• 36:32
  were
• 36:32
  over
• 36:32
  21,
• 36:33
  you
• 36:33
  had
• 36:33
  a
• 36:33
  wristband.
• 36:33
  There
• 36:34
  was
• 36:34
  barely
• 36:34
  any
• 36:34
  wristbands
• 36:35
  in
• 36:35
  that
• 36:35
  place.
• 36:35
  It
• 36:36
  was
• 36:36
  all
• 36:36
  kids.
• 36:37
  They
• 36:37
  had
• 36:37
  their
• 36:38
  own
• 36:38
  venue.
• 36:39
  I
• 36:39
  knew
• 36:39
  some
• 36:39
  of
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  security
• 36:40
  in
• 36:40
  there.
• 36:41
  I
• 36:41
  didn't
• 36:41
  see
• 36:42
  there
• 36:43
  was
• 36:43
  some
• 36:43
  kids
• 36:43
  smoking
• 36:43
  pot
• 36:43
  because
• 36:44
  it's
• 36:44
  legal
• 36:44
  up
• 36:44
  here,
• 36:45
  but
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  didn't
• 36:45
  see
• 36:46
  anybody
• 36:46
  doing
• 36:47
  anything
• 36:47
  crazy
• 36:47
  like
• 36:48
  in
• 36:49
  our
• 36:49
  time.
• 36:51
  Right.
• 36:52
  Any
• 36:52
  kids
• 36:53
  that
• 36:53
  passed
• 36:53
  out,
• 36:54
  there
• 36:54
  was
• 36:54
  a
• 36:54
  section
• 36:54
  for
• 36:55
  them.
• 36:55
  They
• 36:55
  were
• 36:56
  pulling
• 36:56
  kids
• 36:56
  out
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  crowd.
• 36:57
  They
• 36:57
  had
• 36:57
  a
• 36:57
  little
• 36:58
  triage,
• 36:59
  a
• 36:59
  little
• 37:00
  section
• 37:00
  over
• 37:00
  there
• 37:00
  for
• 37:01
  them
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  sit
• 37:01
  down.
• 37:02
  They
• 37:02
  needed
• 37:02
  some
• 37:02
  oxygen,
• 37:03
  some
• 37:03
  water.
• 37:03
  They're
• 37:04
  there.
• 37:04
  You
• 37:04
  got
• 37:04
  a
• 37:05
  phone.
• 37:05
  You
• 37:05
  can
• 37:05
  call
• 37:05
  your
• 37:05
  parents
• 37:06
  if
• 37:06
  you
• 37:06
  need
• 37:06
  somebody
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  pick.
• 37:07
  It
• 37:07
  was.
• 37:08
  That
• 37:08
  was
• 37:08
  like
• 37:08
  this
• 37:09
  tightest
• 37:09
  thing
• 37:09
  I've
• 37:10
  ever
• 37:10
  seen
• 37:10
  in
• 37:10
  like,
• 37:10
  the
• 37:11
  2000s
• 37:11
  in
• 37:12
  terms
• 37:12
  of,
• 37:12
  like
• 37:12
  a
• 37:13
  punk
• 37:13
  rock
• 37:13
  thing.
• 37:13
  That
• 37:13
  was
• 37:14
  still
• 37:14
  kind
• 37:14
  of
• 37:14
  old
• 37:14
  school,
• 37:15
  but
• 37:15
  with.
• 37:16
  To
• 37:17
  date.
• 37:17
  And
• 37:18
  I
• 37:18
  was
• 37:19
  proud
• 37:19
  of
• 37:19
  those
• 37:19
  kids.
• 37:19
  They
• 37:20
  were
• 37:20
  much
• 37:21
  better
• 37:21
  human
• 37:22
  beings
• 37:22
  in
• 37:22
  that
• 37:22
  setting
• 37:23
  than
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  remember
• 37:23
  being
• 37:24
  in
• 37:24
  that
• 37:24
  at
• 37:24
  that
• 37:25
  age.
• 37:25
  That's
• 37:26
  awesome.
• 37:27
  Yes.
• 37:28
  You
• 37:28
  know,
• 37:28
  going
• 37:28
  along
• 37:28
  all
• 37:29
  the
• 37:29
  same
• 37:29
  lines.
• 37:29
  That
• 37:30
  is
• 37:30
  what
• 37:31
  I'm
• 37:31
  starting
• 37:31
  to
• 37:31
  see
• 37:31
  more
• 37:32
  at
• 37:32
  shows
• 37:33
  is
• 37:33
  bands
• 37:34
  having,
• 37:35
  like,
• 37:35
  Narcan
• 37:36
  and
• 37:37
  like,
• 37:37
  feminine
• 37:38
  health
• 37:38
  products,
• 37:39
  like,
• 37:39
  on
• 37:39
  their,
• 37:40
  you
• 37:41
  know,
• 37:41
  on
• 37:41
  their
• 37:41
  merch
• 37:41
  tables
• 37:42
  for
• 37:42
  free.
• 37:43
  Yeah,
• 37:44
  we
• 37:44
  joked
• 37:45
  about
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  years
• 37:45
  ago,
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  now
• 37:47
  it's
• 37:47
  a
• 37:47
  thing.
• 37:48
  Yeah.
• 37:49
  Again,
• 37:50
  you
• 37:50
  know,
• 37:50
  you're
• 37:50
  not
• 37:50
  going
• 37:50
  to
• 37:50
  go
• 37:51
  see,
• 37:51
  you
• 37:51
  know,
• 37:52
  Blink
• 37:52
  182
• 37:52
  and
• 37:53
  find
• 37:53
  that
• 37:53
  on
• 37:53
  their,
• 37:53
  you
• 37:54
  know.
• 37:54
  Right,
• 37:55
  right.
• 37:55
  But.
• 37:56
  But
• 37:56
  the
• 37:56
  more
• 37:57
  local,
• 37:57
  the
• 37:57
  more
• 37:57
  independent
• 37:58
  stuff,
• 37:59
  you
• 37:59
  know,
• 37:59
  that.
• 38:00
  That
• 38:00
  belief
• 38:00
  in
• 38:00
  taking
• 38:01
  care
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  each
• 38:01
  other
• 38:02
  is
• 38:02
  still,
• 38:03
  you
• 38:03
  know,
• 38:04
  very
• 38:04
  much
• 38:04
  there
• 38:04
  and
• 38:05
  very
• 38:05
  much
• 38:06
  a
• 38:06
  part
• 38:07
  of
• 38:07
  the
• 38:08
  ethos.
• 38:09
  That's
• 38:09
  awesome.
• 38:10
  That's
• 38:10
  awesome.
• 38:10
  I
• 38:11
  mean,
• 38:11
  I've
• 38:11
  got.
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  don't
• 38:12
  even
• 38:12
  know
• 38:12
  what
• 38:13
  the
• 38:13
  venues
• 38:13
  are
• 38:13
  anymore.
• 38:15
  Once
• 38:16
  upon
• 38:16
  a
• 38:16
  time,
• 38:17
  growing
• 38:18
  up
• 38:18
  in
• 38:18
  Brooklyn
• 38:19
  and
• 38:19
  being
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  Brooklyn
• 38:20
  band,
• 38:20
  we
• 38:20
  would
• 38:20
  have
• 38:20
  to
• 38:21
  travel
• 38:21
  into
• 38:21
  Manhattan.
• 38:22
  There
• 38:22
  weren't
• 38:23
  many
• 38:23
  clubs
• 38:24
  in
• 38:24
  Brooklyn.
• 38:24
  I
• 38:24
  played
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  few
• 38:25
  of
• 38:25
  the
• 38:25
  clubs
• 38:25
  that
• 38:25
  were
• 38:26
  in
• 38:26
  Brooklyn,
• 38:26
  but
• 38:26
  they
• 38:26
  were
• 38:26
  like.
• 38:27
  They
• 38:27
  were
• 38:27
  more
• 38:27
  local
• 38:28
  bars
• 38:28
  with
• 38:28
  a
• 38:28
  stage.
• 38:30
  They
• 38:30
  weren't
• 38:30
  set
• 38:31
  up
• 38:31
  for
• 38:31
  live
• 38:32
  acts.
• 38:32
  They
• 38:32
  just
• 38:33
  happened
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  have
• 38:33
  an
• 38:33
  area
• 38:34
  and
• 38:34
  they
• 38:35
  get
• 38:35
  a
• 38:35
  couple
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  kids
• 38:36
  from
• 38:36
  local
• 38:36
  bands
• 38:36
  to
• 38:37
  come
• 38:37
  by
• 38:37
  and
• 38:37
  play
• 38:37
  for
• 38:37
  a
• 38:38
  few
• 38:38
  bucks,
• 38:38
  if
• 38:38
  they
• 38:38
  could
• 38:38
  pack
• 38:39
  the
• 38:39
  park.
• 38:39
  But
• 38:40
  then
• 38:40
  Manhattan,
• 38:41
  we
• 38:41
  had
• 38:41
  CBGBs,
• 38:42
  we
• 38:42
  had
• 38:42
  the
• 38:42
  pyramid,
• 38:43
  we
• 38:43
  had
• 38:43
  Brownies,
• 38:44
  we
• 38:44
  had
• 38:44
  all
• 38:44
  these
• 38:45
  spots
• 38:45
  that,
• 38:45
  you
• 38:46
  know,
• 38:46
  were
• 38:46
  known
• 38:47
  and
• 38:47
  now
• 38:47
  it's,
• 38:47
  you
• 38:48
  know,
• 38:48
  fast
• 38:48
  forward.
• 38:48
  How
• 38:49
  many
• 38:49
  years
• 38:49
  later
• 38:49
  it
• 38:49
  shifted
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  other
• 38:50
  way
• 38:50
  around
• 38:50
  where
• 38:50
  all
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  spots
• 38:51
  in
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  city
• 38:51
  that
• 38:51
  were
• 38:52
  the
• 38:52
  legendary
• 38:52
  punk
• 38:53
  spots
• 38:53
  are
• 38:53
  gone.
• 38:53
  CBG
• 38:54
  along
• 38:55
  with
• 38:55
  it.
• 38:56
  Right.
• 38:57
  And
• 38:57
  now
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  spots
• 38:57
  are
• 38:58
  in
• 38:58
  Brooklyn.
• 38:58
  So
• 38:58
  that's
• 38:59
  even
• 38:59
  strange
• 38:59
  to
• 39:00
  me.
• 39:00
  So
• 39:00
  that's
• 39:00
  also
• 39:00
  a
• 39:01
  reason
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  haven't
• 39:01
  been
• 39:01
  able
• 39:02
  to
• 39:02
  really
• 39:03
  check
• 39:03
  it.
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  just
• 39:03
  moved
• 39:04
  back
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  Brooklyn
• 39:04
  a
• 39:04
  few
• 39:05
  years
• 39:05
  back.
• 39:05
  I
• 39:05
  had
• 39:05
  left
• 39:06
  Brooklyn
• 39:06
  for
• 39:06
  about
• 39:07
  12
• 39:07
  or
• 39:07
  13
• 39:08
  years.
• 39:08
  I
• 39:09
  was
• 39:09
  living
• 39:09
  further
• 39:10
  north.
• 39:10
  Yeah,
• 39:10
  the
• 39:11
  venues
• 39:11
  have
• 39:11
  changed.
• 39:13
  I,
• 39:13
  I
• 39:13
  need
• 39:14
  to
• 39:14
  just
• 39:14
  get,
• 39:14
  stick
• 39:15
  my
• 39:15
  head
• 39:15
  back
• 39:15
  into
• 39:16
  the,
• 39:16
  into
• 39:16
  the,
• 39:16
  into
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  world
• 39:17
  and
• 39:17
  see
• 39:17
  what's
• 39:18
  out
• 39:18
  there
• 39:18
  because
• 39:18
  the
• 39:19
  spots
• 39:19
  are
• 39:19
  actually
• 39:19
  close
• 39:19
  by
• 39:20
  now.
• 39:20
  Yeah,
• 39:21
  you
• 39:21
  know,
• 39:21
  we
• 39:21
  would,
• 39:21
  we
• 39:21
  would
• 39:22
  have
• 39:22
  to
• 39:22
  Trek
• 39:22
  into
• 39:22
  Manhattan
• 39:23
  45
• 39:24
  minutes
• 39:25
  on
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  subway
• 39:26
  or,
• 39:26
  you
• 39:27
  know,
• 39:27
  if
• 39:27
  somebody
• 39:27
  had
• 39:27
  a
• 39:27
  van,
• 39:27
  they'd
• 39:28
  drive
• 39:28
  us
• 39:28
  in
• 39:28
  or
• 39:28
  whatever.
• 39:30
  Now
• 39:31
  stuff
• 39:31
  is
• 39:31
  in
• 39:32
  five
• 39:32
  minute
• 39:33
  driving
• 39:33
  distance,
• 39:33
  like
• 39:34
  venues.
• 39:34
  And
• 39:34
  I'm
• 39:34
  like,
• 39:35
  okay,
• 39:35
  this
• 39:36
  is,
• 39:36
  this
• 39:36
  is
• 39:36
  new.
• 39:36
  I
• 39:36
  gotta,
• 39:37
  you
• 39:37
  know,
• 39:37
  now
• 39:37
  that
• 39:37
  I'm
• 39:37
  back
• 39:38
  in
• 39:38
  Brooklyn,
• 39:38
  I
• 39:38
  gotta
• 39:38
  get
• 39:39
  into
• 39:39
  it
• 39:39
  and
• 39:39
  see
• 39:39
  what's
• 39:40
  out
• 39:40
  there.
• 39:40
  Yeah,
• 39:41
  you
• 39:41
  should,
• 39:41
  you
• 39:41
  know,
• 39:42
  because
• 39:42
  there's,
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  know,
• 39:42
  there's
• 39:43
  some
• 39:43
  stuff
• 39:43
  out
• 39:43
  there
• 39:44
  that
• 39:44
  I'm
• 39:44
  just,
• 39:44
  you
• 39:44
  know,
• 39:44
  not
• 39:45
  into.
• 39:45
  I'm
• 39:45
  not,
• 39:45
  you
• 39:46
  know,
• 39:46
  I'm
• 39:46
  not
• 39:46
  a
• 39:46
  big
• 39:46
  fan
• 39:46
  of
• 39:47
  like
• 39:47
  the
• 39:47
  beat
• 39:47
  down
• 39:47
  stuff,
• 39:49
  but
• 39:49
  there's,
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  mean,
• 39:50
  there's
• 39:50
  a
• 39:51
  lot
• 39:51
  of
• 39:51
  really
• 39:52
  good
• 39:52
  up
• 39:52
  and
• 39:53
  coming
• 39:53
  bands
• 39:53
  out
• 39:53
  there
• 39:54
  right
• 39:54
  now
• 39:55
  that
• 39:55
  are
• 39:55
  just
• 39:55
  doing
• 39:56
  amazing
• 39:57
  stuff.
• 39:58
  Yeah,
• 39:58
  I
• 39:59
  would,
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  would,
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  would
• 39:59
  recommend
• 40:00
  sticking,
• 40:01
  sticking
• 40:01
  your
• 40:01
  head
• 40:01
  back
• 40:02
  in
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  just,
• 40:02
  just
• 40:03
  seeing
• 40:03
  what's
• 40:03
  going
• 40:03
  on.
• 40:04
  Hey
• 40:04
  man,
• 40:05
  send
• 40:05
  me
• 40:05
  some
• 40:05
  links
• 40:05
  to
• 40:06
  some
• 40:06
  stuff
• 40:06
  that
• 40:06
  you
• 40:06
  like,
• 40:06
  you
• 40:07
  know,
• 40:07
  and
• 40:07
  I'll
• 40:07
  start
• 40:07
  from
• 40:08
  there.
• 40:08
  Yeah,
• 40:09
  yeah.
• 40:09
  Next
• 40:09
  time
• 40:10
  we
• 40:10
  see
• 40:10
  each
• 40:10
  other,
• 40:10
  we'll
• 40:10
  compare
• 40:11
  notes
• 40:13
  and
• 40:13
  we'll
• 40:13
  get
• 40:13
  into
• 40:13
  that
• 40:13
  in
• 40:14
  a
• 40:14
  minute.
• 40:14
  But
• 40:14
  you
• 40:15
  know,
• 40:15
  to
• 40:15
  be
• 40:15
  respectful
• 40:15
  of
• 40:16
  your
• 40:16
  time,
• 40:16
  you
• 40:16
  know,
• 40:16
  we've
• 40:16
  been
• 40:16
  talking
• 40:17
  a
• 40:17
  good
• 40:17
  bit,
• 40:17
  so
• 40:18
  I'm
• 40:18
  gonna
• 40:18
  start
• 40:18
  wrapping
• 40:19
  this.
• 40:20
  So
• 40:21
  a
• 40:21
  couple
• 40:21
  questions
• 40:21
  left.
• 40:22
  The
• 40:22
  first
• 40:22
  one
• 40:23
  is
• 40:24
  currently
• 40:25
  in
• 40:25
  the
• 40:25
  crazy
• 40:26
  world
• 40:26
  we
• 40:26
  live
• 40:27
  in.
• 40:27
  What
• 40:28
  gives
• 40:28
  you
• 40:28
  hope?
• 40:29
  Believe
• 40:29
  it
• 40:30
  or
• 40:30
  not,
• 40:30
  the
• 40:30
  kids,
• 40:31
  at
• 40:31
  one
• 40:31
  point
• 40:32
  or
• 40:32
  another,
• 40:32
  we
• 40:32
  were
• 40:32
  those
• 40:32
  kids
• 40:33
  that
• 40:33
  they
• 40:33
  doubted
• 40:34
  that
• 40:34
  they
• 40:34
  had
• 40:34
  no
• 40:35
  faith
• 40:35
  in.
• 40:37
  And
• 40:37
  here
• 40:37
  we
• 40:37
  are,
• 40:39
  30
• 40:39
  something
• 40:40
  years
• 40:40
  later,
• 40:41
  somehow
• 40:41
  landed
• 40:42
  on
• 40:42
  our
• 40:42
  feet.
• 40:42
  So
• 40:43
  some
• 40:44
  of
• 40:44
  these
• 40:44
  kids,
• 40:44
  I,
• 40:44
  I,
• 40:44
  I
• 40:45
  remember
• 40:45
  maybe
• 40:45
  two
• 40:45
  years
• 40:46
  ago,
• 40:46
  I'm
• 40:46
  doing
• 40:46
  laundry
• 40:47
  at
• 40:47
  a
• 40:47
  laundromat.
• 40:49
  So
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  got
• 40:49
  the
• 40:49
  big
• 40:49
  laundry
• 40:50
  bags
• 40:50
  I'm
• 40:50
  headed
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  car,
• 40:51
  and
• 40:51
  this
• 40:51
  kid
• 40:52
  walks
• 40:52
  into
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  laundromat.
• 40:53
  I'm
• 40:53
  looking
• 40:53
  at
• 40:54
  his
• 40:54
  outfit,
• 40:54
  and
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  shouldn't
• 40:55
  have
• 40:55
  done
• 40:55
  that,
• 40:55
  but
• 40:56
  I'm
• 40:56
  looking
• 40:56
  at
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  outfit.
• 40:57
  The
• 40:58
  underwear
• 40:58
  is
• 40:58
  showing
• 40:59
  because
• 40:59
  the
• 40:59
  pants
• 40:59
  are
• 40:59
  really
• 40:59
  low.
• 41:00
  It's
• 41:00
  got
• 41:01
  this
• 41:01
  huge
• 41:01
  belt
• 41:01
  buckle
• 41:02
  on,
• 41:02
  and
• 41:02
  the
• 41:02
  belt's
• 41:03
  got
• 41:03
  like,
• 41:03
  you
• 41:03
  know,
• 41:03
  rhinestones
• 41:04
  and
• 41:04
  bullets
• 41:05
  on
• 41:05
  the
• 41:05
  side
• 41:05
  of
• 41:05
  it.
• 41:06
  It's
• 41:06
  got
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  gold
• 41:07
  fronts
• 41:07
  in.
• 41:07
  And
• 41:07
  this
• 41:08
  is
• 41:08
  not
• 41:08
  a
• 41:08
  look
• 41:08
  that
• 41:08
  turned
• 41:09
  me
• 41:09
  off,
• 41:09
  per
• 41:09
  se,
• 41:10
  but
• 41:10
  it
• 41:10
  just.
• 41:10
  I
• 41:11
  had
• 41:11
  an
• 41:11
  idea
• 41:12
  in
• 41:12
  my
• 41:12
  mind
• 41:13
  of
• 41:13
  how
• 41:14
  this
• 41:14
  kid
• 41:14
  would
• 41:14
  be
• 41:15
  based
• 41:15
  on
• 41:15
  how
• 41:15
  he
• 41:16
  looked,
• 41:16
  which,
• 41:17
  God
• 41:17
  forbid
• 41:17
  someone
• 41:17
  did
• 41:17
  that
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  me
• 41:18
  when
• 41:18
  I
• 41:18
  was
• 41:18
  a
• 41:18
  kid,
• 41:18
  I'd
• 41:18
  have
• 41:19
  been
• 41:19
  pissed.
• 41:19
  But
• 41:20
  here
• 41:20
  I
• 41:20
  am
• 41:20
  as
• 41:20
  an
• 41:21
  older
• 41:21
  guy
• 41:21
  doing
• 41:21
  it
• 41:22
  in
• 41:22
  my
• 41:22
  mind,
• 41:22
  not
• 41:23
  saying
• 41:23
  anything
• 41:23
  to
• 41:23
  this
• 41:24
  kid
• 41:24
  or
• 41:24
  anything.
• 41:24
  The
• 41:25
  kid
• 41:25
  comes
• 41:25
  up
• 41:25
  and
• 41:26
  throws
• 41:26
  me,
• 41:26
  excuse
• 41:27
  me,
• 41:27
  sir,
• 41:27
  can
• 41:27
  you
• 41:28
  smell
• 41:28
  those
• 41:28
  bags?
• 41:29
  Oh.
• 41:30
  Grabs
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  bag
• 41:31
  from
• 41:31
  me,
• 41:31
  walks
• 41:31
  me
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  the
• 41:32
  car,
• 41:32
  like
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  type
• 41:33
  of
• 41:33
  deal,
• 41:33
  totally
• 41:34
  respectful,
• 41:34
  held
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  door
• 41:35
  for
• 41:35
  me,
• 41:36
  wished
• 41:36
  me
• 41:37
  a
• 41:37
  good
• 41:37
  day,
• 41:37
  and
• 41:37
  I'm
• 41:38
  like,
• 41:38
  here
• 41:38
  I
• 41:38
  am
• 41:39
  being
• 41:39
  one
• 41:40
  of
• 41:40
  those
• 41:40
  old
• 41:40
  people
• 41:42
  that
• 41:43
  used
• 41:43
  to
• 41:43
  look
• 41:43
  at
• 41:43
  me
• 41:44
  when
• 41:44
  I
• 41:44
  was
• 41:44
  that
• 41:44
  age
• 41:44
  and
• 41:45
  do
• 41:45
  the
• 41:45
  same
• 41:45
  damn
• 41:46
  thing.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:46
  what
• 41:47
  place
• 41:47
  do
• 41:47
  I
• 41:48
  have
• 41:48
  to
• 41:48
  do
• 41:49
  that?
• 41:49
  You
• 41:49
  know
• 41:49
  what
• 41:49
  I
• 41:49
  mean?
• 41:50
  This
• 41:50
  kid
• 41:50
  was
• 41:50
  so
• 41:51
  respectful
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  so
• 41:52
  cool.
• 41:52
  And
• 41:53
  thankfully,
• 41:54
  I
• 41:54
  don't
• 41:54
  know
• 41:54
  if
• 41:54
  it's
• 41:54
  me
• 41:54
  or
• 41:54
  just
• 41:55
  my
• 41:55
  good
• 41:55
  luck
• 41:56
  that
• 41:56
  when
• 41:57
  I've
• 41:57
  had
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  have
• 41:57
  interaction
• 41:58
  with
• 41:58
  people,
• 41:59
  teenagers,
• 42:00
  young
• 42:00
  adults
• 42:01
  in
• 42:02
  New
• 42:02
  York,
• 42:02
  at
• 42:02
  least
• 42:03
  from
• 42:04
  my
• 42:04
  little
• 42:04
  limited
• 42:05
  area
• 42:05
  in
• 42:05
  Brooklyn,
• 42:06
  they've
• 42:06
  all
• 42:07
  been
• 42:07
  pretty
• 42:07
  respectful.
• 42:07
  You
• 42:08
  see
• 42:08
  some
• 42:08
  crazy
• 42:08
  stuff
• 42:08
  too,
• 42:09
  but
• 42:09
  then
• 42:09
  it
• 42:09
  kills,
• 42:10
  so.
• 42:10
  But
• 42:11
  when
• 42:11
  I
• 42:11
  do
• 42:11
  see
• 42:11
  one
• 42:11
  that's
• 42:12
  well
• 42:12
  spoken,
• 42:12
  regardless
• 42:13
  of
• 42:13
  how
• 42:13
  crazy
• 42:13
  I
• 42:13
  might
• 42:14
  think
• 42:14
  they're
• 42:14
  dressed,
• 42:15
  they're
• 42:15
  well
• 42:15
  spoken
• 42:15
  and
• 42:15
  polite
• 42:16
  and
• 42:16
  respectful.
• 42:16
  That
• 42:17
  gives
• 42:17
  me
• 42:17
  a
• 42:17
  lot
• 42:17
  of
• 42:17
  hope.
• 42:18
  Yeah.
• 42:18
  You
• 42:18
  know
• 42:19
  what
• 42:19
  I
• 42:19
  mean?
• 42:21
  We're
• 42:21
  not
• 42:21
  in
• 42:21
  good
• 42:21
  hands
• 42:22
  or
• 42:22
  these
• 42:22
  kids
• 42:22
  are
• 42:23
  completely
• 42:24
  warped
• 42:24
  from
• 42:24
  the
• 42:25
  smartphones,
• 42:25
  but
• 42:26
  some
• 42:27
  of
• 42:27
  them
• 42:27
  will
• 42:27
  be
• 42:27
  okay.
• 42:29
  What
• 42:29
  are
• 42:29
  you
• 42:29
  listening
• 42:29
  to
• 42:30
  right
• 42:30
  now?
• 42:30
  Listening
• 42:31
  to
• 42:31
  right
• 42:31
  now?
• 42:32
  Old
• 42:32
  stuff.
• 42:35
  Old
• 42:36
  stuff.
• 42:38
  I'm
• 42:38
  trying
• 42:38
  to
• 42:38
  think
• 42:38
  of
• 42:39
  something
• 42:39
  that's
• 42:40
  not.
• 42:40
  I've
• 42:41
  been
• 42:41
  going
• 42:41
  deep
• 42:41
  diving
• 42:42
  into
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  70s
• 42:43
  stuff,
• 42:44
  okay?
• 42:44
  So
• 42:45
  I.
• 42:45
  And
• 42:46
  sometimes,
• 42:46
  you
• 42:46
  know,
• 42:47
  you're
• 42:47
  on
• 42:47
  YouTube
• 42:47
  and
• 42:48
  you,
• 42:48
  you
• 42:48
  like
• 42:48
  certain
• 42:48
  things,
• 42:49
  and
• 42:49
  other
• 42:49
  things
• 42:50
  pop
• 42:50
  up
• 42:50
  in
• 42:50
  your
• 42:50
  feed.
• 42:51
  There's
• 42:51
  this
• 42:52
  group
• 42:52
  that
• 42:53
  I.
• 42:53
  I
• 42:53
  never
• 42:53
  knew
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  name
• 42:54
  of
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  group.
• 42:55
  I
• 42:55
  grew
• 42:55
  up
• 42:55
  listening
• 42:56
  to
• 42:56
  this
• 42:56
  song.
• 42:56
  This
• 42:57
  is
• 42:57
  a
• 42:57
  70s
• 42:57
  song,
• 42:58
  and
• 42:58
  I
• 42:58
  thought
• 42:59
  it
• 42:59
  was
• 42:59
  Jackson
• 42:59
  5
• 43:00
  song
• 43:00
  because
• 43:01
  the
• 43:01
  singer's
• 43:01
  got
• 43:01
  this
• 43:02
  very
• 43:02
  high
• 43:03
  kid
• 43:04
  voice.
• 43:04
  And
• 43:04
  it
• 43:05
  was,
• 43:05
  it
• 43:05
  was,
• 43:05
  it
• 43:05
  was,
• 43:05
  it
• 43:06
  was
• 43:06
  a
• 43:06
  young.
• 43:06
  The
• 43:07
  group's
• 43:07
  called
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  Silvers
• 43:08
  S
• 43:08
  Y
• 43:09
  L
• 43:09
  V
• 43:10
  E
• 43:10
  R
• 43:10
  S.
• 43:10
  But
• 43:10
  it
• 43:11
  was
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  family
• 43:11
  group,
• 43:12
  R
• 43:13
  B
• 43:13
  band.
• 43:14
  This
• 43:14
  is
• 43:14
  like
• 43:14
  the
• 43:14
  last
• 43:15
  two,
• 43:15
  three
• 43:15
  days.
• 43:15
  I'm
• 43:16
  just
• 43:16
  going
• 43:16
  into
• 43:16
  a
• 43:16
  deep
• 43:17
  dive
• 43:17
  of
• 43:17
  this
• 43:17
  bit
• 43:17
  because
• 43:18
  the
• 43:18
  guy
• 43:18
  sounded
• 43:19
  so
• 43:19
  much
• 43:19
  like
• 43:19
  Michael
• 43:19
  Jackson
• 43:20
  as
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  kid.
• 43:20
  And
• 43:21
  the
• 43:21
  production
• 43:21
  quality
• 43:22
  of
• 43:22
  it
• 43:22
  too.
• 43:22
  And
• 43:23
  just
• 43:23
  the
• 43:23
  bass
• 43:23
  lines
• 43:24
  to
• 43:24
  the
• 43:24
  music
• 43:24
  is
• 43:25
  awesome.
• 43:26
  Listening
• 43:27
  to
• 43:27
  a
• 43:27
  lot
• 43:27
  of
• 43:27
  the
• 43:27
  Ferv
• 43:29
  Jazz
• 43:30
  Masters
• 43:31
  compilations
• 43:31
  lately.
• 43:32
  So
• 43:32
  I've
• 43:32
  listened
• 43:32
  to
• 43:33
  a
• 43:33
  lot
• 43:33
  of
• 43:33
  Louie,
• 43:34
  a
• 43:34
  lot
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  Dizzy
• 43:35
  in
• 43:36
  terms
• 43:36
  of
• 43:36
  rock
• 43:36
  based
• 43:37
  stuff.
• 43:37
  Who
• 43:38
  was
• 43:38
  it
• 43:38
  this
• 43:38
  week?
• 43:40
  This
• 43:40
  is
• 43:41
  Mozzie.
• 43:42
  Okay.
• 43:44
  I
• 43:44
  always
• 43:44
  go
• 43:44
  back
• 43:45
  in
• 43:45
  time
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  go
• 43:45
  forward
• 43:47
  again.
• 43:47
  I'm
• 43:47
  always
• 43:47
  open
• 43:48
  to
• 43:48
  new
• 43:48
  music.
• 43:48
  The
• 43:49
  problem
• 43:49
  is
• 43:50
  I.
• 43:50
  And
• 43:50
  I've
• 43:51
  come
• 43:51
  to
• 43:51
  this
• 43:51
  conclusion.
• 43:52
  Our
• 43:52
  ears
• 43:53
  mature
• 43:53
  and
• 43:54
  then
• 43:54
  they
• 43:54
  kind
• 43:54
  of
• 43:54
  sit
• 43:54
  in
• 43:55
  a
• 43:55
  particular
• 43:55
  place.
• 43:56
  Not
• 43:56
  that
• 43:57
  we're
• 43:57
  not
• 43:57
  into
• 43:57
  new
• 43:58
  stuff,
• 43:58
  but
• 43:58
  we
• 43:58
  are.
• 43:59
  We're
• 43:59
  now
• 43:59
  listening
• 43:59
  to
• 44:00
  it
• 44:00
  with
• 44:00
  older
• 44:00
  ears.
• 44:01
  Right.
• 44:01
  You're
• 44:02
  now
• 44:02
  hearing
• 44:02
  what.
• 44:03
  What
• 44:03
  it
• 44:03
  reminds
• 44:04
  you
• 44:04
  of
• 44:05
  instead
• 44:05
  of
• 44:05
  just
• 44:05
  listening
• 44:06
  to
• 44:06
  this
• 44:06
  group
• 44:06
  on
• 44:07
  its
• 44:07
  own
• 44:07
  merit.
• 44:08
  At
• 44:08
  least
• 44:08
  my
• 44:08
  brain
• 44:09
  works
• 44:09
  that
• 44:09
  way.
• 44:09
  I
• 44:10
  start
• 44:10
  taking
• 44:10
  the
• 44:10
  music
• 44:10
  apart.
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  start
• 44:11
  going,
• 44:12
  oh,
• 44:12
  it
• 44:12
  kind
• 44:12
  of
• 44:13
  has
• 44:13
  a
• 44:13
  Black
• 44:13
  Sabbath
• 44:13
  thing
• 44:14
  going
• 44:14
  on.
• 44:14
  And
• 44:14
  it
• 44:14
  kind
• 44:14
  of
• 44:15
  has
• 44:15
  a
• 44:15
  little
• 44:15
  clash
• 44:16
  thing
• 44:16
  going
• 44:16
  on.
• 44:16
  Or
• 44:16
  it
• 44:17
  has
• 44:17
  a
• 44:17
  list
• 44:17
  going
• 44:17
  on.
• 44:17
  And
• 44:18
  I
• 44:18
  do
• 44:18
  that.
• 44:18
  I
• 44:18
  still
• 44:18
  enjoy
• 44:19
  it,
• 44:19
  but
• 44:20
  I
• 44:20
  can't
• 44:20
  help
• 44:20
  but
• 44:21
  pull
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  music
• 44:22
  apart
• 44:22
  in
• 44:22
  that
• 44:23
  fashion.
• 44:23
  But
• 44:24
  my.
• 44:25
  My
• 44:26
  taste
• 44:26
  will
• 44:26
  change
• 44:26
  in
• 44:27
  a
• 44:27
  day.
• 44:27
  Yeah,
• 44:28
  I'll
• 44:28
  go
• 44:28
  from
• 44:28
  Bob
• 44:28
  Marley
• 44:29
  to
• 44:29
  like
• 44:29
  Metallica
• 44:30
  real
• 44:30
  quick
• 44:32
  and
• 44:32
  then
• 44:32
  back
• 44:32
  to
• 44:33
  like
• 44:33
  De
• 44:34
  La
• 44:34
  Soul
• 44:34
  or
• 44:34
  something.
• 44:35
  De
• 44:35
  La
• 44:35
  Soul's
• 44:35
  got
• 44:35
  a
• 44:36
  new
• 44:36
  album
• 44:36
  out
• 44:36
  that's
• 44:36
  pretty
• 44:36
  cool.
• 44:37
  Yeah,
• 44:37
  I
• 44:37
  haven't
• 44:37
  heard
• 44:37
  it
• 44:37
  yet,
• 44:38
  but
• 44:38
  it's
• 44:38
  pretty
• 44:39
  cool.
• 44:39
  Yeah,
• 44:40
  I
• 44:40
  didn't.
• 44:40
  I.
• 44:41
  I
• 44:41
  had
• 44:41
  reservations
• 44:42
  about
• 44:42
  them
• 44:42
  even
• 44:42
  doing
• 44:43
  one
• 44:44
  now
• 44:44
  that
• 44:45
  you
• 44:45
  know
• 44:46
  two
• 44:46
  past.
• 44:47
  But
• 44:48
  they
• 44:48
  did
• 44:48
  it
• 44:48
  justice.
• 44:49
  It's
• 44:49
  like
• 44:49
  when
• 44:49
  Tribe
• 44:49
  Called
• 44:49
  Quest
• 44:50
  did
• 44:50
  that
• 44:50
  last
• 44:51
  album
• 44:51
  and
• 44:51
  Fife
• 44:51
  had
• 44:52
  just
• 44:52
  passed
• 44:52
  away.
• 44:52
  It
• 44:52
  was
• 44:52
  similar
• 44:53
  situation.
• 44:54
  They.
• 44:54
  They
• 44:54
  did
• 44:55
  it.
• 44:55
  They.
• 44:55
  It's
• 44:56
  like
• 44:56
  Soundgard
• 44:57
  or
• 44:58
  like
• 44:58
  Faith
• 44:58
  no
• 44:58
  More.
• 44:58
  These
• 44:58
  bands
• 44:59
  don't.
• 44:59
  These
• 44:59
  certain
• 44:59
  groups
• 45:00
  don't
• 45:00
  put
• 45:00
  out
• 45:00
  really
• 45:00
  bad
• 45:01
  albums
• 45:01
  or
• 45:01
  anything.
• 45:02
  You
• 45:03
  may
• 45:03
  like
• 45:03
  it,
• 45:03
  you
• 45:03
  may
• 45:03
  not
• 45:03
  like
• 45:03
  it,
• 45:04
  but
• 45:04
  it's
• 45:04
  not.
• 45:04
  It's
• 45:04
  not
• 45:04
  terrible.
• 45:05
  Give
• 45:06
  that
• 45:07
  a
• 45:07
  good
• 45:07
  list.
• 45:08
  It's
• 45:08
  pretty
• 45:08
  solid.
• 45:09
  Okay,
• 45:10
  last
• 45:10
  question.
• 45:11
  And
• 45:11
  it
• 45:12
  doesn't
• 45:12
  have
• 45:12
  to
• 45:12
  be
• 45:12
  punk
• 45:13
  umbrella
• 45:13
  related
• 45:13
  at
• 45:14
  all,
• 45:14
  but
• 45:15
  what
• 45:15
  do
• 45:15
  you
• 45:15
  think
• 45:15
  people
• 45:16
  should
• 45:17
  be
• 45:17
  listening
• 45:17
  to
• 45:17
  right
• 45:18
  now?
• 45:19
  Well,
• 45:20
  I'll
• 45:20
  preface
• 45:20
  this
• 45:21
  by
• 45:21
  I
• 45:22
  have
• 45:22
  an
• 45:22
  old
• 45:22
  belief.
• 45:23
  I've
• 45:23
  been
• 45:23
  saying
• 45:23
  this
• 45:23
  one
• 45:24
  for
• 45:24
  years.
• 45:24
  People
• 45:24
  are
• 45:24
  in
• 45:24
  a
• 45:25
  bad
• 45:25
  mood.
• 45:25
  I'm
• 45:25
  like,
• 45:25
  you
• 45:25
  can't
• 45:26
  ever
• 45:26
  go
• 45:26
  wrong
• 45:27
  listening
• 45:28
  to
• 45:28
  Bob
• 45:28
  Marley.
• 45:28
  I've
• 45:29
  never
• 45:29
  heard
• 45:29
  anybody
• 45:30
  stay
• 45:30
  upset
• 45:31
  listening
• 45:31
  to
• 45:31
  Bob.
• 45:32
  If
• 45:32
  you're
• 45:32
  in
• 45:32
  a
• 45:32
  bad
• 45:32
  mood,
• 45:33
  put
• 45:33
  on
• 45:33
  some
• 45:33
  Bob
• 45:33
  Marley.
• 45:34
  If
• 45:34
  it
• 45:34
  doesn't
• 45:34
  cheer
• 45:34
  you
• 45:34
  up,
• 45:34
  something's
• 45:35
  wrong
• 45:35
  with
• 45:35
  you.
• 45:37
  I
• 45:37
  can
• 45:37
  back
• 45:38
  that
• 45:38
  statement
• 45:38
  up.
• 45:39
  I
• 45:39
  can
• 45:40
  back
• 45:40
  up
• 45:40
  that
• 45:40
  emotion,
• 45:41
  you
• 45:41
  know
• 45:41
  what
• 45:41
  I
• 45:41
  mean?
• 45:43
  There's
• 45:44
  timeless
• 45:45
  music
• 45:46
  is
• 45:46
  what
• 45:46
  I've
• 45:46
  always
• 45:47
  looked
• 45:47
  for.
• 45:48
  Going
• 45:48
  back
• 45:49
  to
• 45:49
  being
• 45:49
  in
• 45:50
  Catholic
• 45:50
  school
• 45:50
  and
• 45:51
  seeing
• 45:51
  the
• 45:51
  name
• 45:51
  Black
• 45:51
  Sabbath
• 45:52
  on
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  desk
• 45:53
  and
• 45:53
  not
• 45:53
  realizing
• 45:54
  who
• 45:54
  Black
• 45:54
  Sabbath
• 45:55
  was
• 45:55
  or
• 45:55
  what
• 45:55
  they
• 45:55
  meant,
• 45:56
  what,
• 45:56
  what
• 45:56
  was
• 45:57
  built
• 45:57
  on
• 45:57
  that.
• 45:58
  When
• 45:58
  I
• 45:58
  did
• 45:59
  get
• 45:59
  into
• 45:59
  Black
• 45:59
  Sabbath,
• 46:00
  I
• 46:00
  realized
• 46:00
  I'm
• 46:01
  listening
• 46:01
  to
• 46:01
  like
• 46:02
  a
• 46:02
  building
• 46:02
  block
• 46:03
  of
• 46:03
  a
• 46:03
  genre.
• 46:04
  So
• 46:04
  I
• 46:04
  would
• 46:04
  always
• 46:05
  tell,
• 46:05
  like,
• 46:06
  my
• 46:06
  son's
• 46:06
  a
• 46:06
  musician
• 46:07
  now,
• 46:07
  he
• 46:07
  plays
• 46:07
  guitar.
• 46:07
  I
• 46:08
  always,
• 46:08
  I
• 46:08
  always
• 46:09
  recommend
• 46:10
  the
• 46:10
  Root.
• 46:10
  Whatever
• 46:11
  he's
• 46:11
  listening
• 46:11
  to.
• 46:12
  I
• 46:12
  listen
• 46:12
  for
• 46:12
  where
• 46:12
  their
• 46:13
  influences
• 46:13
  are.
• 46:13
  And
• 46:13
  I
• 46:14
  tell
• 46:14
  the
• 46:14
  kids
• 46:14
  to
• 46:14
  go
• 46:15
  back,
• 46:15
  go
• 46:15
  back
• 46:16
  in
• 46:16
  time.
• 46:16
  Where
• 46:17
  did
• 46:17
  so
• 46:17
  and
• 46:17
  so
• 46:18
  get
• 46:18
  this
• 46:18
  sound
• 46:18
  from
• 46:18
  that
• 46:19
  you
• 46:19
  like
• 46:19
  the
• 46:19
  Chili
• 46:19
  Peppers?
• 46:20
  Where
• 46:20
  did,
• 46:20
  where
• 46:20
  did
• 46:20
  that
• 46:20
  guitar
• 46:21
  sound
• 46:21
  come
• 46:21
  from?
• 46:21
  It
• 46:22
  comes
• 46:22
  from
• 46:22
  Jimi
• 46:22
  Hendrix.
• 46:23
  Where
• 46:23
  did
• 46:23
  Jimi
• 46:23
  Hendrix
• 46:24
  get
• 46:24
  his
• 46:24
  sound
• 46:24
  from?
• 46:25
  So
• 46:25
  I
• 46:26
  like
• 46:26
  go
• 46:26
  to
• 46:27
  the
• 46:27
  classic
• 46:28
  people
• 46:28
  of
• 46:29
  every
• 46:29
  genre
• 46:29
  and
• 46:29
  listen
• 46:30
  to
• 46:30
  them
• 46:30
  and
• 46:30
  you'll
• 46:30
  have
• 46:30
  a
• 46:31
  pretty
• 46:31
  good
• 46:31
  understanding
• 46:32
  of
• 46:33
  most
• 46:33
  genres
• 46:33
  of
• 46:34
  music
• 46:34
  you're
• 46:34
  going
• 46:34
  to
• 46:34
  listen
• 46:35
  to.
• 46:35
  To
• 46:35
  folk
• 46:36
  or
• 46:36
  something.
• 46:36
  Go
• 46:36
  Dylan,
• 46:37
  you
• 46:37
  know,
• 46:37
  you're
• 46:37
  going
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  heavy
• 46:38
  metal.
• 46:39
  Go
• 46:39
  Zeppelin,
• 46:39
  you
• 46:39
  know,
• 46:40
  that
• 46:41
  kind
• 46:41
  of
• 46:41
  thing,
• 46:42
  you
• 46:42
  know.
• 46:42
  Cool.
• 46:43
  Well,
• 46:43
  I'm
• 46:43
  going
• 46:43
  to
• 46:44
  make
• 46:44
  a
• 46:44
  recommendation
• 46:44
  here.
• 46:45
  So
• 46:45
  new
• 46:45
  band
• 46:46
  out
• 46:47
  of
• 46:47
  TC
• 46:48
  called
• 46:48
  Loose
• 46:49
  Leash,
• 46:50
  really
• 46:50
  good
• 46:51
  younger
• 46:51
  band.
• 46:53
  Just
• 46:53
  released
• 46:54
  an
• 46:54
  EP
• 46:55
  and
• 46:55
  I've
• 46:56
  been
• 46:56
  playing
• 46:56
  it,
• 46:56
  you
• 46:57
  know,
• 46:57
  probably
• 46:57
  non
• 46:57
  stop
• 46:58
  for
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  last
• 46:58
  week
• 46:58
  or
• 46:58
  so.
• 46:59
  Just
• 46:59
  really,
• 47:00
  really
• 47:00
  digging
• 47:01
  it.
• 47:01
  If
• 47:02
  they
• 47:02
  have
• 47:02
  any
• 47:03
  YouTube
• 47:04
  or
• 47:04
  a
• 47:04
  website
• 47:05
  or
• 47:05
  anything,
• 47:05
  just
• 47:05
  text
• 47:06
  it
• 47:06
  to
• 47:06
  me.
• 47:06
  I'll
• 47:07
  check
• 47:07
  it
• 47:07
  out
• 47:07
  as
• 47:07
  soon
• 47:07
  as
• 47:07
  we're
• 47:07
  done.
• 47:08
  Yeah,
• 47:09
  yeah,
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  will.
• 47:09
  Is
• 47:10
  there
• 47:10
  any
• 47:10
  place
• 47:10
  anybody
• 47:11
  can
• 47:11
  go
• 47:11
  to
• 47:11
  like
• 47:12
  find
• 47:12
  your
• 47:12
  music
• 47:13
  if
• 47:13
  they
• 47:13
  want
• 47:13
  to,
• 47:13
  if
• 47:14
  they
• 47:14
  want
• 47:14
  to
• 47:14
  look
• 47:14
  up
• 47:15
  stuff?
• 47:17
  No.
• 47:18
  So
• 47:18
  this
• 47:18
  is
• 47:18
  another,
• 47:19
  this
• 47:19
  is
• 47:20
  a
• 47:20
  conversation
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  mean,
• 47:21
  to
• 47:21
  have
• 47:21
  with
• 47:21
  you
• 47:21
  offline.
• 47:22
  Because
• 47:23
  one
• 47:24
  of
• 47:24
  my
• 47:24
  little
• 47:24
  struggles
• 47:25
  now
• 47:25
  is,
• 47:26
  you
• 47:26
  know,
• 47:26
  time
• 47:26
  has
• 47:27
  passed,
• 47:27
  we're
• 47:28
  older,
• 47:28
  you
• 47:29
  kind
• 47:29
  of
• 47:29
  struggle
• 47:29
  with
• 47:29
  yourself.
• 47:30
  At
• 47:30
  least
• 47:30
  I
• 47:31
  do
• 47:31
  with
• 47:32
  who's
• 47:32
  going
• 47:32
  to
• 47:32
  listen
• 47:32
  to
• 47:32
  this.
• 47:33
  Does
• 47:33
  anybody
• 47:33
  want
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  hear
• 47:34
  it?
• 47:34
  Is
• 47:34
  it
• 47:34
  still
• 47:35
  any
• 47:35
  good?
• 47:35
  Is
• 47:36
  it?
• 47:36
  You
• 47:36
  know
• 47:36
  what
• 47:36
  I
• 47:36
  mean?
• 47:36
  So
• 47:36
  I,
• 47:37
  I
• 47:37
  do
• 47:37
  go
• 47:37
  through
• 47:38
  that
• 47:38
  and
• 47:39
  not
• 47:39
  having
• 47:40
  a
• 47:40
  band,
• 47:40
  I've
• 47:41
  got
• 47:41
  tons
• 47:41
  of
• 47:42
  stuff
• 47:42
  that
• 47:42
  I
• 47:42
  haven't
• 47:43
  put
• 47:43
  out.
• 47:44
  So
• 47:44
  it's
• 47:44
  like,
• 47:44
  I
• 47:45
  think
• 47:45
  Cardi
• 47:45
  B
• 47:45
  is
• 47:46
  the
• 47:46
  like
• 47:46
  most
• 47:47
  prominent
• 47:48
  new
• 47:48
  artist
• 47:48
  or
• 47:50
  she
• 47:50
  took
• 47:50
  like
• 47:50
  six
• 47:50
  years
• 47:51
  to
• 47:51
  put
• 47:51
  out
• 47:51
  a
• 47:51
  second
• 47:52
  album
• 47:52
  and
• 47:52
  it
• 47:52
  was
• 47:52
  kind
• 47:53
  of
• 47:53
  when
• 47:53
  I
• 47:53
  heard
• 47:53
  her
• 47:54
  do
• 47:54
  an
• 47:54
  interview
• 47:54
  it
• 47:54
  was
• 47:54
  the
• 47:55
  same
• 47:55
  reasons
• 47:55
  that
• 47:55
  I
• 47:55
  had.
• 47:56
  We
• 47:56
  were
• 47:56
  all.
• 47:56
  We
• 47:56
  were
• 47:56
  all
• 47:57
  kind
• 47:57
  of,
• 47:57
  you
• 47:58
  know,
• 47:58
  have
• 47:58
  these
• 47:58
  security
• 47:58
  issues
• 47:59
  and
• 47:59
  stuff
• 47:59
  like
• 48:00
  that.
• 48:00
  But
• 48:01
  no,
• 48:01
  for
• 48:02
  the
• 48:02
  time
• 48:02
  being,
• 48:02
  not
• 48:03
  really,
• 48:04
  I
• 48:04
  do
• 48:04
  have
• 48:04
  some
• 48:04
  stuff
• 48:05
  I'm
• 48:05
  going
• 48:05
  to
• 48:05
  be
• 48:05
  putting
• 48:05
  out
• 48:06
  soon.
• 48:07
  But
• 48:07
  again,
• 48:08
  sometimes
• 48:08
  some
• 48:09
  of
• 48:09
  us
• 48:09
  need
• 48:09
  a
• 48:09
  little
• 48:09
  push
• 48:10
  over
• 48:10
  the
• 48:10
  edge
• 48:10
  to
• 48:11
  just
• 48:11
  say,
• 48:11
  you
• 48:11
  know
• 48:11
  what?
• 48:12
  Let
• 48:12
  the
• 48:12
  world
• 48:12
  hear
• 48:13
  it.
• 48:13
  So
• 48:13
  that's
• 48:14
  kind
• 48:14
  of
• 48:14
  where
• 48:14
  I'm
• 48:14
  at,
• 48:14
  to
• 48:15
  be
• 48:15
  honest.
• 48:15
  Gotcha.
• 48:16
  Cool.
• 48:17
  Okay,
• 48:17
  my
• 48:18
  friend.
• 48:18
  Well,
• 48:18
  thank
• 48:19
  you
• 48:20
  so
• 48:20
  much
• 48:20
  for.
• 48:21
  Thank
• 48:22
  you
• 48:22
  for
• 48:22
  having
• 48:22
  me
• 48:23
  doing
• 48:23
  this.
• 48:24
  I
• 48:24
  really
• 48:24
  appreciate
• 48:25
  your
• 48:25
  time.
• 48:26
  For
• 48:26
  all
• 48:26
  those
• 48:26
  who
• 48:27
  listen
• 48:27
  to
• 48:27
  this,
• 48:27
  thank
• 48:28
  you
• 48:28
  as
• 48:28
  well.
• 48:28
  I
• 48:29
  appreciate
• 48:29
  y'.
• 48:29
  All.
• 48:30
  I
• 48:30
  have
• 48:30
  social
• 48:31
  media.
• 48:31
  I'm
• 48:32
  not
• 48:32
  good
• 48:32
  at
• 48:32
  it.
• 48:33
  Instagram
• 48:33
  is
• 48:33
  the
• 48:33
  best
• 48:34
  one.
• 48:34
  It's.
• 48:35
  Yeah.
• 48:35
  So
• 48:36
  punk,
• 48:36
  love,
• 48:36
  compassion,
• 48:36
  yahoo.com
• 48:37
  if
• 48:37
  you
• 48:37
  want
• 48:37
  to.
• 48:38
  Email
• 48:38
  me
• 48:38
  if
• 48:38
  you
• 48:38
  want
• 48:39
  to.
• 48:39
  Come
• 48:39
  on.
• 48:39
  You
• 48:39
  think
• 48:39
  somebody
• 48:40
  else
• 48:41
  should?
• 48:41
  Come
• 48:41
  on.
• 48:42
  You
• 48:42
  have
• 48:42
  connections
• 48:43
  to,
• 48:43
  you
• 48:44
  know,
• 48:44
  reach
• 48:44
  out
• 48:44
  to
• 48:44
  me
• 48:44
  as
• 48:45
  well.
• 48:45
  I'd
• 48:45
  love
• 48:45
  to
• 48:45
  hear
• 48:45
  from
• 48:45
  you.
• 48:45
  And
• 48:46
  until
• 48:46
  next
• 48:47
  time,
• 48:47
  my
• 48:47
  friends
• 48:48
  have
• 48:48
  hope.
• 48:49
  And
• 48:49
  we'll
• 48:50
  talk
• 48:50
  to
• 48:50
  you
• 48:50
  all
• 48:50
  later.
• 48:51
  Thanks
• 48:51
  so
• 48:51
  much,
• 48:51
  man.