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S2 E24: Legacy of Terror - A Clone Wars Rewatch · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  It's Most Things Kenobi, an elegant podcast for a more
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  civilized fandom. Hello everyone, welcome to
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  another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan
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  Kenobi and all things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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  And I'm your host, Lauren. And this episode is all about
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  the third of four installments of the Return to Geonosis arc on
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  The Clone Wars. And this one, we're going
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  underground. Thank God, because it is.
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  Yeah, 105° here and 100% humidity, so I'm ready to go
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  underground. I feel like we live 5 miles from
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  the sun here right now. So that.
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  Sounds like me. Underground to a cave please.
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  With Obi Wan and Anakin in the in the and the clones, yeah.
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  I don't think it gets better than that, except for the bugs
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  and the zombies. It's true this episode is called
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  Legacy of Terror, but according to Lauren, she's already living
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  it so. Honestly, Legacy of Terror is
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  accurate. It's fucking terrifying.
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  It is. It really is.
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  Humidity is the worst thing ever.
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  Oh, I meant the episode. Yeah, I was talking about Clone
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  Wars, but yes, it's yes, Midwestern summer is a legacy of
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  terror. It really is because it always
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  returns makes itself known. And if it's not a drought or
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  500°, there's tornadoes. And, you know, it doesn't get
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  much scarier than that, so. False.
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  You don't have worms crawling up your nose.
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  True, true, but if you just drive about an hour out into
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  farm country it could happen. I speak from experience where I
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  went to college. Oh.
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  My God. I'm not kidding.
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  I've never seen bigger worms in my life.
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  I don't know how we got so sidetracked.
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  I'm. Sorry, I was just trying to
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  introduce the episode. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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  Oh, I love it. I love it.
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  Yeah. This this episode is about worms
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  and we're going underground. And that's what that's what
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  started this whole thing. Oh my God, I'm sorry.
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  Please don't be. Where do we even start now?
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  Can I? OK I have a question.
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  So the fortune cookie for this episode is sometimes accepting
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  help is harder than offering. It feels unrelated.
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  Gotta gotta stay. Well, is it from the point of
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  view of Luminara, 'cause she's technically being helped and
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  yet. I guess, yeah.
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  Maybe. It's really, I don't know,
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  oblique it it's just doesn't. It barely seems related
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  considering this is all about, you know, a hive mind and
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  zombies. Yeah, but I'm trying to, I'm
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  trying to think of it peripherally, like usually
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  they're more pointed than that, you know, a little bit more
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  specific. Can you read it again?
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  Sometimes accepting help is harder than offering it.
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  Accepting help is harder than offering it.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Like the whole episode, Luminara is rejecting help or advice from
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  everybody. Everybody's trying to give her
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  their two cents, and she seems very stubborn, but that's no
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  different than anybody else in Star Wars.
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  Literally, Anakin is like, we have to do something, and
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  everyone else in the room is like, no, no, Anakin, we have to
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  wait until the storm is over. So it's not just her I guess.
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  But that's very true. She I don't consider her the
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  focal point of this episode either.
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  No, no, it's very split to be honest.
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  It's which is nice because it's some of the greatest Obi Wan
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  Anakin interactions ever. I couldn't agree more.
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  But there's also a focus on the clones and the trusting of each
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  other and kind of this, there's also the queen bug, You know,
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  she's kind of a focal point and they're not helping her so.
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  No, no, no, they're not. Yeah.
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  I mean, it's I don't know, the the thing that really struck me
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  about her is that she is such a good Jedi, or at least she's
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  portrayed that way, but she's extremely stubborn.
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  And right from the beginning she tells Obi Wan like, no, I'm
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  going to go do this. But you know, she tries to keep
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  it light and says, like, leave some strategic planning for me
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  or I'd hate to feel left out, but.
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  Sure. She does seem like this, really,
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  especially after the last episode we recorded about
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  Weapons Factory and how quick she was to write off Paris and
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  Ahsoka, and now she's going off into the wilderness by herself
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  with one clone trooper. She ignores Anakin's warning
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  about a sandstorm. It kind of feels a little like
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  she's quick to dismiss life. Yeah, yes.
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  And not just her own, but she's willing to risk everyone around
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  her. I don't know, is that too harsh
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  of me to say? But it was really kind of
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  sticking out to me this time. No, it's not too harsh.
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  I mean, there's a reason there's an undercurrent why I've never
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  really liked her or never took a strong liking to her and it's
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  because of her. She's kind of like off putting.
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  She is in her own world kind of a lot and she has that right.
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  I mean, that's her leadership style, I guess, and she's not
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  going to take it. I mean, I if I was the clone
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  that went with her, I'd be upset.
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  Like, why not? Why are we disregarding the
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  weather forecast? I was excited to talk to you
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  about this. Do you know what a dust storm's
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  official name is? Yes.
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  A haboob. Just a little bit weird it is.
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  Do you know where that came from?
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  I. I I don't, I don't.
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  I should, but I don't. Have you ever been in one?
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  No, but my Co worker who is originally from Phoenix is in
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  them all the time. Yeah, 'cause that's where I was
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  in them, was in Arizona, and I guess I actually, I drove
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  through one in Nevada as well, 'cause on the way.
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  Nothing to fuck with. You do not fuck with them.
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  You pull over and you wait till it's over.
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  Luminara. Like it will take the paint
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  right off your car. So what do you think it will do
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  to your skin? I don't.
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  Isn't she on a speeder? She is.
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  Get the hell out of here. At least he's got, you know,
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  body armor. She's got nothing.
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  So that's just not realistic at. All she could do like a force
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  Dome over her, you know, I guess.
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  But there are easier ways to get from point A to point B in the
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  desert during a dust storm. And that's A don't go and B
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  don't bring a speeder. Yeah, I mean, Obi Wan saying the
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  the the ships can't handle it and she's out there on a little
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  motorcycle. Yeah, like.
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  It would. It would.
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  Fill the engines with crap and you wouldn't be able to drive at
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  all like I've seen one. It's amazing to see them in the
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  desert because I was up on a mountain pass driving down into
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  Phoenix and you can see it coming.
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  Yeah, it's like a giant bubbly wall.
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  It's not. It's like fingers almost.
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  Yes, it's really cool. It's very cool.
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  It's like a wall coming at you. I'm just you're like, is the
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  world ending? It looks like it might be.
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  Well, Luminar didn't think so, so she went.
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  Kudos to my boy Anakin for trying to give her the forecast
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  and tell her to heed, take heed, And she didn't.
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  He did his best. He did his best again, she just
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  had to ignore everybody's advice.
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  But. Well, it's no wonder she got
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  ended up strung up down in the in the basement there.
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  And you know, I guess the most the most subtle way that Obi Wan
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  could. He wanted to run an experiment
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  on it. Again, my favorite scene of Obi
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  Wan, my favorite back and forth of him and Anakin.
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  The clones represent well in this episode.
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  And not only that, it's spooky as shit and the lighting, like
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  when they're they're looking around right and you can't, you
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  can't see where the bugs are. And I hate that it's.
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  True. It's like the they really play
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  on the whole childhood feeling of being afraid of the dark
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  because the thing that's scary is just at a sight.
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  And even though they don't really show it, at least not at
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  first, eventually they do show them like all up on the ceiling
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  and everything. That's so much.
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  Terrifying. But to begin with there's
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  nothing. There's just the texture of the
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  walls, which is creepy in and of itself, and then they're little
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  dirty headlamps so you can't really see anything.
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  It's a very good psychological use of negative space.
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  Yeah, yeah. And the lighting is something
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  that's always stuck with me in that episode because it's not
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  something you really get from animation, but it's done really
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  well in this episode, to the point where I'm always creeped
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  out. It doesn't matter how many times
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  I watch it, I always get that's crawly skin sensation.
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  Yes, you know what I mean? Multiple times, yeah.
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  There's a bunch of shots where it's so creepy.
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  There's even one shot that I never noticed before.
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  Oh, what is it? It's when Luminar is trying to
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  fight back, when they're kind of like dragging her through the
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  tunnel and she wakes up all of a sudden.
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  She looks up and all you see are eyes glowing in the darkness as
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  they move forward. And then the bugs appear like
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  around these glowing eyes. I was like, that's fucking
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  creepy. It's so creepy, but it's really
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  beautifully done. It's really well done.
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  Like when I always wonder the the process of how they made
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  that happen. Like how do they sit around and
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  think like we need more shadow or we need more eyeballs?
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  Only, you know, we need more chattering.
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  The clacking sound of their wings.
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  It's the great like opportunity. It's, it's a great opportunity
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  to do a lot of horror techniques and they use quite a few.
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  They have, you know, high tension lighting.
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  They have the people vanishing off screen.
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  Yeah, I hate that they have. Hive mind Walking Dead, they
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  have not being able to kill the enemy, like no matter what they
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  do, you know, it's like all these great horror elements.
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  And they have to make decisions on the spot because they're
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  dealing with like a species, you know?
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  And when they don't die right away, it presents a new problem.
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  Which luckily Anakin figures out a good technique for for dealing
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  with it, but. Go figure.
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  It felt a little helpless there for a little while in the
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  earlier part of the episode when.
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  And meanwhile, Obi Wan has his little mental notebook and
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  mental pencil. Do you defend him wanting to
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  take a sample back or not? How do we feel about the sample?
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  Was he wasting their time? Was he a little off track?
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  Was he a little sidetracked? You know what I mean?
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  Or did he have a point? Like, I get why he would want
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  to, but I also feel like this is a nod to Alien and like the
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  Alien franchise. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which I mean, it's kind of
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  cool because the original Alien by Ridley Scott is a not it was
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  inspired by Star Wars. Like when Ridley Scott started
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  Star Wars he was like holy shit I want to do something like that
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  but scary. Mission accomplished.
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  Yeah, and like when he came back to it in Prometheus, I feel like
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  there's stuff actually very similar to this episode in that,
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  although I have to admit I haven't seen all of the Alien
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  movies, but there are scenes of like, first of all, like not
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  taking samples back because it's actually dangerous.
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  There's all this stuff in sci-fi where you find a species or you
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  take a sample, you bring it back to Earth and it becomes this
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  plague or chimera that like takes over and can kill all
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  mankind, which is a an actual fear and a concern of
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  astrobiologists. I believe that because we don't
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  know, we know what it's like in this, in their situation and
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  their. Environments.
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  Yeah, but if you put it in a new environment, we don't know what
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  it's going to do. Because chemistry is a thing.
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  And when you. Yeah, I mean, one of the
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  weirdest, coolest things ever was when I went to the
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  astrobiology conference held by NASA here in Chicago and.
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  I'm jealous. It was fucking awesome.
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  I'm so glad I got to go and I learned so much.
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  And part of what makes astrobiology interesting but
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  dangerous is that microbes interact with air and water.
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  And the minute that you scoop up a sample, you are introducing
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  microbes from Earth. Even if you've sent it through
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  like a autoclave or something like that to sterilize, you
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  still can't guarantee that you are sterile.
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  So you can be creating a super bug or a super dangerous
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  scenario by taking samples back. And I do feel like it was an
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  unnecessary risk for Moby 1 to grab it, even with his hands.
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  I'd be like fuck that shit, no thank you.
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  This is the Jedi who fucking hates Geonosis.
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  When he's taking like this hive minded parasite.
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  Suddenly myself a souvenir that he'd like to bring back with
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  him. It's like Sir, think a little
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  bit, but I get it. I, I also, I'm like you.
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  He had an opportunity. He's curious by nature, what
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  could we learn from such a thing, etcetera.
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  Yes, I'm in Anakin's camp of he's like study the bottom of my
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  boot. Yes, get the fuck out.
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  No, thank you. I always take time during these
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  moments when it's Anakin and Obi Wan being the the old married
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  couple that we usually refer to them as.
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  And I think this is Darth Vader, you know what I mean?
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  Do you ever just pause and think like this Is that guy the guy in
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  Rogue One who's just slaying folks left and right in the
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  hallway? I forget sometimes when he's
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  like this. I forget that about him, yeah.
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  That's why it's so fucking phenomenal.
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  But like, it just, it's hard for me to think like study the
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  bottom of my boot and slicing people in half on the ceiling.
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  There's a there's a very wide gap between the two.
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  Yeah, How do we? How do we?
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  We get there. It just in this point, in this
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  episode, I have a hard time seeing it, but you know.
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  Yeah, there's something really special, though, about both Matt
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  and James's performance in this episode in particular.
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  They must have had a ball, honestly, because you can hear
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  it. They're jovial, almost.
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  Well, and like, there's something special too about
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  James finally pitches his voice down a little bit.
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  In this one. Which he he even said like
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  Season 1, he was trying to, you know, emulate Ewan McGregor a
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  little bit more. And then by this point, James,
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  I'm sorry, Dave Filoni would say, no, not like, how would you
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  do it? Not how would you and do it.
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  And so you can hear his voice drop down a little deeper in
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  this episode, which I really love 'cause he's getting to say
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  really different and interesting lines about he actually, Obi Wan
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  actually says the word zombies, which I never would have thought
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  would hear that. Well, here we are down in the
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  basement of Geonosis. It's so.
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  Really bizarre, but. It's really full.
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  It's really full circle from where we're at in Attack of the
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  Clones. You know what I mean?
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  Obi Wan and Attack of the Clones and then Obi Wan here in the
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  basement, you know, with Anakin and the boys just trying to save
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  Luminara. It's really something.
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  And Luminara was, she was also an Attack of the Clones in that
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  fight. Yeah.
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  They've actually showed live action Luminara.
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  Yeah. I think.
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  So yeah, and this is like OG Geonosis crew.
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  So it's it's kind of cute if you if you keep that in mind and
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  they're all like the gang's all back, so.
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  You know, yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess Cody's there, which he was
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  not in in Attack of the Clones, which it's kind of interesting.
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  It's Cody in this episode instead of Rex.
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  I'm glad though, because. Yeah.
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  I think it would have been too messy with Rex.
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  Now. God bless Rex, we love him for
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  everything that he is, but we need the stability of Cody.
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  It's when when when we have Obi Wan and Anakin bickering.
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  Yes, it's so funny you say that because in landing at point
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  Rain, Anakin and Ahsoka are bickering and Rex, you can just
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  feel the tension and Rex like we just fucking get on with it.
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  And then this is different. It's the Anakin Obi Wan
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  bickering. Cody's just having none of it.
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  He's just always ready. He's always like in kill mode.
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  I love what's the common denominator here, Anakin, You
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  think with your lightsaber, right?
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  It's not. That's not code for something
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  either. That's not it's not.
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  It's actual like like he means it literally.
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  He really means it in the literal sense.
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  Like you already, he's in kill mode, which does track with
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  Darth Vader. That's true.
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  He is always just kind of ready to jump in with action.
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  And I do love that they take a moment in this episode for Obi
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  Wan to be more of, I hate to use the term diplomatic because
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  like, what he's doing here is actually gross colonialism.
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  And it is. Though it really is.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it's, it's struck me a lot 'cause because I've been
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  listening to a history podcast lately and, and it's all been
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  about this colonial era in British history and how like
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  super gross it is. And this has that flavour to it.
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  Not honestly, not just British. There is also discussion about
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  like Spanish colonialism as well in South America and.
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  It's like you show up and someone else's house and say you
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  are no longer queen of the Bugs and now you must submit to
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  Republic law. And something about that has
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  always gotten under my skin. Cause OK, yeah.
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  So she is telling Pagal what to do when they're working with the
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  Separatists. So that's like the only way I
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  can excuse it, but. Yeah.
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  They're this culture that exists already, and now you're telling
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  them that they have to do what you say just because you say so.
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  Not only that, they are a non human, like not even humanoid
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  species, which I have a hard time with as well because first
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  of all, like colonization in and of itself is a difficult topic
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  because it's never, it never goes well, like never not right.
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  I mean, it is, it happens, but it never usually goes well.
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  For someone is always brutalized into it.
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  Yeah, but then if you add an animal element, which I struggle
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  with because not that bugs are animals, but you know what I
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  mean, it's not human. Yeah.
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  And a lot of the times when you take into consideration like a
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  species that isn't human or humanoid, they are already
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  coming from a vulnerable position.
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  Like they have far less say in the matter because they don't
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  speak the same as you. They don't act the same as you,
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  you know what I mean? It's we're not the same breed.
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  Because humans will always come at it with a superiority
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  complex. Right.
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  And more often than not, humans, at least in an earthly sense,
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  humans can overpower an animal. And in this case, it's kind of
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  the same thing. We got clones, we got weapons,
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  We have this, that. The other thing now the bugs
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  have weapons, they have troops, but it's obviously intellect
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  versus like the intellect of Obi Wan, Anakin, Jedi clones versus
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  this what appears to be a more basic form of living.
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  You know, that's like, we'll say the Europeans coming over and
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  then just mowing down the Native Americans because they had a
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  more quote primitive and it wasn't.
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  But compared to like the weapon, which is a gun versus the weapon
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  of a bow and arrow, one is gonna win.
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  Right, they use. I hate it.
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  It's what Star Wars talks about in Return of the Jedi.
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  The technological quote of, quote, superiority over the,
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  like, the Ewoks was a great example.
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  Yeah. And even that interaction of
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  like, Han with the Ewoks, assuming that they were less
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  than and they turned out to save his ass.
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  You think so? So it's like not giving that
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  culture the benefit of the doubt of exactly like maybe they're
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  fine the way they are, you know? Maybe we don't need to come in
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  and and just kill them all. Yeah, and then tell them how to
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  live. The ones that are left.
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  I mean, this queen is, is ancient.
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  They refer to her as an ancient being.
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  And her name, she actually has a name, which I didn't know.
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  I have it here. I took a note of it 'cause I was
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  like, wow, I didn't know she had a name.
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  Her name is Queen Karina the Great and she is voiced by AD
• 23:35
  Bradley Baker. Just in case.
• 23:45
  D Bradley Baker is the voice of the Queen.
• 23:48
  I never knew that. Yeah, he does.
• 23:51
  And like, I don't think they do much to change his voice.
• 23:55
  I think that's him like doing all the vibrations and
• 23:59
  everything that she. Has I just these voice actors
• 24:04
  and actresses? I can't.
• 24:06
  I don't know why I'm even surprised.
• 24:08
  He's so damn good as it is. But so she has a fabulous name.
• 24:14
  Yes. Karina the Great.
• 24:16
  Karina the Great. Yeah, wow.
• 24:19
  Well, that's a shame. Yeah, leave her on her giant
• 24:24
  throne to be the big disgusting bug that she's.
• 24:27
  So gross. It really is gross.
• 24:30
  It's so gross. And she's like laying her little
• 24:34
  eggs. It's I just hate it so much.
• 24:37
  I don't do larva very well in in any.
• 24:42
  It vomited on myself that. Was very lifelike.
• 24:48
  I could do better, but I won't because.
• 24:50
  Oh no, you did. You did just fine.
• 24:53
  Can we talk about something real quick that's like cinematography
• 24:58
  adjacent? Oh, I love when you get
• 25:00
  cinematograph. What?
• 25:05
  Cinemagraphic. Cinematographic.
• 25:11
  I'm not gonna try. Yes, go ahead, talk about it.
• 25:15
  Please, they they use this in other episodes, but this is a
• 25:19
  great example of I gotta get a butcher.
• 25:22
  This the Kiaroscuro. Kiaroscuro, the technique.
• 25:27
  It's like an Italian painting technique that was invented
• 25:29
  actually by Leonardo da Vinci of all people.
• 25:33
  Of course. And it was during his painting
• 25:36
  The Adoration of the Magi from 1481, he started using this
• 25:42
  technique where he uses negative space.
• 25:44
  So it's a lot of black and highlight.
• 25:47
  So like a lot of high contrast. And it created like a three
• 25:51
  dimensionalism. And so it was like kind of
• 25:54
  invented during the Renaissance, but it was really used during
• 25:57
  the Baroque period by like Caravaggio and Rembrandt and
• 26:02
  Vermeer actually, like Rembrandt and Caravaggio had a tendency to
• 26:06
  use it in a way that was like heightened tension.
• 26:11
  So if you look up their paintings, you'll see a lot of
• 26:13
  motion that is deeply emotional and very high intensity.
• 26:18
  But like Vermeer was a Dutch painter and his are emotional,
• 26:22
  but in a more sedate way. And I, I love his paintings.
• 26:25
  They're gorgeous. But there's so much black space
• 26:30
  used in this episode and then high contrast, like on the faces
• 26:34
  or just like using the headlamps.
• 26:36
  And it has this Baroque tendency in the cinematography, which I
• 26:43
  just love because Dave Filoni I've read, but I can't find this
• 26:47
  anywhere. I know I've heard this, that he
• 26:49
  studied like Baroque paintings in college and like Caravaggio
• 26:53
  in particular. We've talked about that on the
• 26:55
  show before. Yeah, I can't seem to find it
• 26:58
  now that we have talked about it in the past, but I just love the
• 27:03
  depth that it creates because so much of like it's a sci-fi, so,
• 27:09
  so much of sci-fi, especially from like the 1950s will have
• 27:15
  this flat, flashy kind of look to it.
• 27:19
  And this is a good opportunity because it has this horror
• 27:24
  element to incorporate a lot of this negative space, which you
• 27:28
  see in like Alien is a great example.
• 27:30
  There's a lot of it filmed in darkness and like, slight will
• 27:33
  like flash on and scare the shit out of you.
• 27:35
  You'll realize there's something terrifying right there.
• 27:38
  But I I love it. This episode to me looks like
• 27:42
  baroque painting, especially right when they're down in the
• 27:48
  throne room and Obi Wan Anakin and not Rex Cody appeared.
• 27:54
  Like. All in a line, which is the part
• 27:57
  that our Obi Wan logo is based on.
• 28:01
  Yeah, it's the screenshot that our logo is a painting from so.
• 28:05
  So cool. And it was an actual piece of
• 28:07
  art that then we had turned into digital art.
• 28:10
  So it's just been reinvented a few times, but.
• 28:13
  So are we the legacy of terror? I think so it might be.
• 28:21
  In some way. But no, you you bring up
• 28:24
  excellent points. I just think it's a great use of
• 28:28
  very timeless traditional art to bring more art in new forms, new
• 28:35
  media forms to the people. Yeah, and it it is used in all
• 28:42
  media format now. It's not just a painting
• 28:44
  technique, it's photography and videography and all of that, and
• 28:47
  now animation. And I think it's really cool
• 28:51
  because they could choose to make things flat and easy, and
• 28:57
  Clone Wars never did that. They always choose something
• 29:01
  that's more dynamic and beautiful because George Lucas
• 29:06
  wanted that himself. He wants to push the envelope
• 29:10
  and all animation before that was really quite well.
• 29:14
  I mean, then they said it was 2 dimensional versus the 3D show.
• 29:17
  You know, this is 3D animation. But they go beyond that.
• 29:22
  You know, they, they don't just make it 3 dimensional, they make
• 29:24
  it beautiful on purpose. That's what sets the show apart.
• 29:29
  I think it's really effective in a way that it engages someone
• 29:35
  visually, even if there's no dialogue.
• 29:37
  There's no big battle, there's no big anything going on, but
• 29:40
  you're still watching, you're paying attention, you're in it.
• 29:44
  And I think that's more difficult to do with animation
• 29:48
  because there isn't a living human, there isn't a living
• 29:51
  being with the subtleties of their facial movements or the
• 29:54
  way they're breathing or you know what I mean?
• 29:57
  Just the actual live action Ness of it all.
• 30:01
  So it's I think it's fantastic and it makes the show way more
• 30:05
  engaging for a viewer. Yeah, and it's also part of why
• 30:10
  we can watch it over and over and it it holds up and it
• 30:14
  doesn't get. Boring.
• 30:16
  And oftentimes I sit there thinking like, this is
• 30:18
  beautiful. It's fucking terrifying, but
• 30:21
  it's beautiful. It's true.
• 30:24
  I mean, there's so many shots you could pull out and say like
• 30:28
  this looks like a painting. That looks like a painting.
• 30:30
  Just the standalone screenshots so.
• 30:32
  Well, the actual shot of of Obi Wan studying like, you know,
• 30:37
  come now Anakin, will it go up the nose or in the mouth or
• 30:39
  whatever he says. And Anna, it's like their
• 30:42
  profiles and their slight height difference and the actual like
• 30:49
  disbelief on Anakin's face versus the absolute curiosity
• 30:54
  that's seething from Obi Wan. You know, he's like unfazed by
• 30:59
  the fact that they're underground in these creepy ass
• 31:02
  tunnels with this ancient bug queen, you know, zombies
• 31:07
  everywhere. Luminar is not very happy.
• 31:11
  I I don't know. And he's just like, I'm just
• 31:13
  look, this is nothing you should see the other guy.
• 31:17
  But like, you know, he just doesn't faze him.
• 31:20
  He's been through too much shit. It's kind of awesome that he's
• 31:24
  such a bad ass. It is, yeah.
• 31:26
  Yeah, very much. Although to give Luminara some
• 31:31
  credit, I would have been way more, way more afraid, scared,
• 31:37
  creeped out. I would have been protesting
• 31:39
  more, you know, violently if you will, about something crawling
• 31:44
  up my nose. But she's, she is a Jedi and she
• 31:46
  is duty driven. So I give her kudos for just
• 31:50
  rolling with the punches cause no thank you.
• 31:55
  That's true. You would have seen me in my
• 31:56
  worst meltdown phase that I have.
• 31:59
  Like set your phase phase gun to highest level possible.
• 32:06
  Yeah. It's a really effective manner
• 32:08
  of creeping people out is by having anything go up someone's
• 32:11
  nose. And then, of course, there's the
• 32:13
  next episode. I was just going to say it's
• 32:15
  going to ramp up in the next episode.
• 32:17
  So gross, but yay. All right, join us back next
• 32:26
  time for more gross shit. Like it's way grosser.
• 32:32
  It's going to go up up noses and it's going to be disgusting for
• 32:36
  brain invaders, which I think is the last episode in this this
• 32:41
  arc. So it is.
• 32:42
  We will move on to something else after that, but and for
• 32:45
  now, one more Gin Ocean episode with bugs up your nose, so come
• 32:50
  back next time for that. Thank you so much for joining us
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