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#15 - World according to Nemesis · The Chris and Mike Show

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  But like, like what I'm trying to find right now, for those you
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  don't know, I'm Chrissy's Mike. This is the Chris and Mike Show.
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  We like to talk about everything as it relates to our lives, the
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  ups and downs and the rock'n'roll, the creativity
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  thing. I want to do a show one time in
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  the near future where you and I work on a song like, that's just
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  a show. Like I'll have one of your riffs
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  and we will. We'll build a song, construct a
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  song to our listening audience. That'd be awesome, man.
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  You know what's cool about the lyrics, man?
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  When I find shit, you know what's cool?
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  This is, this is, this is what's cool about me, OK?
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  Fucking egotistical motherfucker.
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  This is what's cool about me. I can turn your preamp up just a
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  little bit. And OK, which one's the preamp,
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  the second or first? First or second?
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  Check, check, check, check. Preamp is up.
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  Is that one better? Way.
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  There you go. Now I can hear you.
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  What do you think? Much better.
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  Way better. OK.
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  All right, so the cool thing like, I can pull out.
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  I I was telling Mike the other day, I have, I have a crate of
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  lyrics, like one of those storage crates of lyrics.
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  But this is what I found was just I would take this to all
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  the practices. This is my bag.
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  I stole it from my wife. This is what he showed up with
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  at the very first time we met him.
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  Right. He's like, I got a little bit of
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  material. So I have a giant everything
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  since. Yeah.
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  So this was everything that I've ever written in my in my crate
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  since since I started writing in high school.
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  So it's everything from poetry to short stories to to what's
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  evolved in the music. But the cool thing, what I was,
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  what I was going towards. I can look at lyrics that I
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  wrote like this. I don't remember if this is
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  Nemesis or not but I can look at that and and automatically the
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  melody. Just reading the words, the
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  melody comes in my brain. Alone I sit my my sorrow was
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  spent. I watched alone I sit.
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  My sorrows spent. I watch as the shadow stills
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  This guy. Tomorrow came yesterday's past.
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  Tomorrow will soon be over. Memories past.
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  Can't you see and just lie. I'm the whisper on the breeze.
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  So shit like that there's another one that that I came off
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  that I fucking love. That we, you and I worked on.
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  That was a terrible example of this one, though.
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  The chorus on this one. I can always pull out this one.
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  See if you remember this one. Pain, a whisper.
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  I'm a shadow dream of you. Dream of tomorrow.
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  Pain, a whisper. I'm a shadow dream.
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  Dream of tomorrow. I lie awake.
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  I lie awake. Don't question why I can't get
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  you off my mind. I see your face When I close my
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  eyes. I feel your heart.
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  Internal lines. Pain, a whisper.
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  All my shadow. Dream of Sour Row.
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  Dream of Tomorrow. I love that song by the way.
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  I did too. The title of that pain.
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  A Whisper Came from a Rockette. Came from a rockette.
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  Remember the rock rock set? The the, the, the pop duo from
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  Australia or something, Or Sweden.
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  Oh, the rock Sette. Yes, they have a lyric in one of
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  their songs that says pain, a whisper.
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  And I'm like, that's a fucking cool line.
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  That's a great. Song whisper right.
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  And that's how that's and that's right.
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  And that's how that song came out, was just because I like
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  that lyric. Oh, what was that?
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  It could have been love, but it's over now.
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  Yes, yes. That's a.
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  Great song and here's one of your favorites.
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  This is. She died, unfortunately.
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  Here's one of your favorites. Which is kind of cool.
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  She did. You're.
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  Not going to be able to see this.
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  This is the original scribing of Intervention Divine.
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  No, that's awesome. That should be in A-frame
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  somewhere. That's.
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  The original lyric The original original lyrics Man of
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  Intervention Divine. I would need a legitimate
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  producer to actually put that song together now.
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  Yeah, all three pages, man. And this same thing.
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  I can. I see those lyrics and I know
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  exactly the melody. It just it just hits me.
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  That one I remember. I remember the melody of that I
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  just Can't Sing. I sing it in my head all the
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  time. Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Display your face of Galleries Hall that was that was fucking.
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  That was just that was fucking. That's a.
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  Good. Those are some of the best
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  lyrics I've ever read from anyone in my life.
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  Ever. Thank you.
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  Thank you. You know what I mean?
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  That too. Yeah.
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  Intervention Divine. Oh I knew I do Window a hell
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  couple ones that never put music to king of Israel.
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  You and I worked on on pain and whisper silhouette of an
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  outcast. I love these lyrics.
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  This was came off an improv jam session that I I totally this
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  would be. I still have the melody in my
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  head. But when I'm standing around
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  with nothing to do and got no thoughts in my head it's true.
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  I watch the people staring back at me wonder if they can really
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  see reality. I never speak about what's in my
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  mind. Tomorrow's answers will be
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  sublime. And of course I am the forgotten
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  one. The lonely thought left for last
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  is a silhouette. The silhouette.
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  The silhouette of an outcast silhouette of the podcast.
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  I love that fucking lyric. Thank you.
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  Thank you, Mr. Mike Michaels. We're going to put that to
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  music. Losing all the madness.
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  Remember losing all the madness. That was a great tune too.
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  Yes, I do. Oh fuck.
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  That was this was, this is relevant today, dude.
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  Losing all the madness. Government says we got to
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  believe. Government says we got to see.
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  Government says it's all lies. Government says we will deny
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  Topical, irrelevant. This is fucking 20 years old.
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  The course losing all the madness.
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  It's older than that. Deep.
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  Within our minds, Losing all the sadness.
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  Killing. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. I'm.
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  Sorry, it's almost 30 years old. Probably.
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  Yeah, yeah. So of course losing all the
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  madness deep within our minds. Losing all the madness.
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  Killing our kind. That's a twice of those that
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  course. And then I love this part.
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  I we've talked about this on the show actually Preacher man is is
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  speaking about the coming times. Preacher Man we're paying for
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  your soul and mine. Fatherhood demons choosing right
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  and wrong. Killed my 2 year old daughter
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  just the other night. No, I ain't got no reason man.
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  I ain't got no rhyme, just a can full of gasoline.
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  And I committed my crime. That was, I don't know if you
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  remember that or not. There's a fucking asshole during
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  our heyday that took his little girl out to the desert, remember
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  that and set her on the fire. Told her she was they were going
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  to go see Santa Claus. Yeah, that's where that came
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  from. Just the concept of that
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  motherfucker. And then I I course goes on this
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  again. This is just, it is losing the
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  man, his 13 year old daughter. She got Johnny inside nine
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  months. A week later she strangled her
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  child. Same same time frame.
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  There was somebody that that fucking killed their baby and
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  and left it a toilet and. That was such a great song.
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  Dude, thank you. Well, we're going to, we're
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  going to put it back together. Daddy is sleeping, so the story
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  goes, took her mommy away, then changed his clothes.
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  No one really knows the reasons why.
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  We had a great nation that we're destined to die.
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  I just. I get fucking chills when I read
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  that shit. That's, you know, some of the
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  shit that I wrote, man. It's just so that it's still
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  relevant today. I mean still relevant.
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  That's the thing that always impressed me, is the way that
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  you could put a relevant topic that still remained abstract.
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  Because I remember the day that you told Scott and I what that
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  song was about. And I just remember a moment of
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  silence and all of a sudden I don't remember who said it
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  first. But it was just like, wow, dude,
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  that's heavy. It's like really heavy.
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  Yeah. So we knew we had to do that
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  justice as far as the music went, which is why I remember
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  that song so much, because it just made people sit up and pay
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  attention, you know? Yeah, none of our.
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  And I always kind of pride in myself in our heyday and just in
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  our general in the generalization of Nemesis.
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  I'm not going to say heyday, because we were all in our prime
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  at the time, but I never wrote songs really about partying and
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  getting laid and going out and shit like that.
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  Because to me it's been there, done that.
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  Like we weren't Van Halen, correct?
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  Van Halen. The early years of Van Halen was
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  all about partying and fucking and drinking.
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  I never wanted to be, I never wanted to change the world.
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  But same time I wanted to write something that was relevant at
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  the time and never realizing that some of this shit could
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  still be like, listen to your sin.
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  Like, holy God. Holy shit, man.
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  Like those lyrics? So let me ask you a question.
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  Yeah. Let me ask you a question before
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  you move on because you hit on. Listen to your sin, OK?
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  Have you ever tripped? Ever?
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  Right. No, no.
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  Now read everyone the lyrics to to that song.
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  Nope. To listen to your sin, OK?
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  Because now hold on before you start, before you start.
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  OK, OK. When I listen, I actually have a
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  recording of this because he sent it to me and I play it in
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  my car all the time because I love this song and I've never
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  asked him this question. So I just got the answer to it
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  right here live on the Chris and Mike Show podcast.
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  Amazing. I thought that he had had some
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  kind of experience at in his life with hallucinogens, because
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  when you listen to the lyrics of the song, someone who has never
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  been there, done that, described exactly what you feel when
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  you're under the influence of hallucinogen.
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  So read everyone the lyrics to listen to your sin, my friend.
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  Did not know that. OK, so here you go.
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  I got a dream and I it's hard to it's hard to read these without
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  singing it. I got a.
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  Dream for the common man. You got to fight until the end.
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  I got a dream. And it's quite clear.
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  We're going to fly and diss up here to drop the tablets.
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  Go insane. Feel the juice flow through your
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  veins On your journey. Take it slow.
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  Choose the place where you will go.
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  Take the trip behind your eyes. Feel the sorrow beneath your
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  cries. Take a moment.
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  Take away. Oh shit, I forgot about that
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  part. Take a moment.
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  Listen to your sin. Fight the battle that you must
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  win. Fight the battle that you must
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  win. Oh, listen, baby, to your sin.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now your journey has come to an
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  end. You haven't found some less to
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  your sin. You keep on fighting, Waiting
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  for the day. When you close your eyes in, it
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  fades away. It's weird to sing that without
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  music right there. You ain't no preacher in a
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  praying man. You turned your back on the
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  Almighty's hand. You got a dream in your life to
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  keep our soul in. Every night We'll take a trip
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  behind your eyes. We'll feel the sorrow
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  revolutionize. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. Take them home now.
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  Listen to your sin. We'll fight the battle that you
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  must win. We'll fight the battle that you
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  must win. One, listen, baby, Two, Y'all
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  said. Yeah, something like that.
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  Something like that. So yeah, you.
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  Can do that song justice. I apologize.
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  It's hard to do that song justice without the music.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna look, the music builds, and I'm
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  in no way comparing myself to fuck cashmere.
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  But the music builds in a way that cashmere builds.
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  It kind of leads you into the IT kind of leads you to believe
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  it's going somewhere, and it kind of never really does, other
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  than one moment where there's a different guitar solo.
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  There's one moment in that song where the whole vibe of the song
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  changes. And now that I listen to the
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  lyrics again, the first half really describes A
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  hallucinogenic trip to AT. And I used to take the second
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  verse personally in that we were trying to do what we all loved
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  night after night after night, right?
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  That's how I always played that song.
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  Every night. In front of the crowd was the
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  second-half of that song. To me was a very personal this
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  is what we're trying to do, to get ahead, you know, and do what
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  we want to do every day. Yeah, yeah, Yep.
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  So I just found Freeman. Oh, I love playing that one too.
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  I love playing now. Your mom's.
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  Your mom's favorite vision. Your.
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  Mom's. Oh, she loves that.
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  That was her. Favorite Never again.
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  Yep, I don't know why. And again that's the one with
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  Rod about Rodger Klein and the and when he was in when he was
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  in the refreshments that's the one that Scott was like like
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  dude, you say, I don't know why it's way too much.
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  I'm like, dude, you can't say. I don't know why I weigh too
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  much or satisfied. No, no, wait.
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  Yeah. I don't know why was.
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  I don't know why. Will you ever be with him?
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  There was something in there that annoyed him.
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  He said he's like, dude, you say, I don't know why Too much,
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  Yeah. Right, Just play.
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  The drums, man. Yeah, right.
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  But that was pretty good, you know, in all those years, that
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  was his only complaint ever. Right, right.
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  Yeah. This is cool, man.
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  This is cool that I found that. I knew it where it was.
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  I just doesn't. I wasn't sure what what crate it
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  was in because I have like 4 crates out there.
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  I have stuff. So I guess title I guess we
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  should say for the people who are not watching the video, he's
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  leafing through his lyrics that he's been saving forever.
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  So sometimes we got to describe things to people because not
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  everybody watches the video. A lot of people are just got
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  their phone in their pocket or whatever.
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  I got to get better about describing things that we're
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  doing that are visuals, right? But I would say what else do you
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  got there? Refresh my memory.
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  I had, I had. I got to go back in the bag.
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  I think I have in the lyric bag I found.
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  I had told you I found. What is it?
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  Where to go? Remember full full circle spin.
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  I remember the title, it's. Kind of cool.
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  Because we have there's notes. I would write, yeah, I would
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  write. I would write notes along the
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  sides of them as we were structuring the song.
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  Because I would, as we've talked about before, I'd I'd bring in
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  lyrics. I hope there's.
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  Chords. Sometimes I would just.
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  I'd bring my notebook. There's not not on that one.
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  Oh shit. That's not good.
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  See. That's what was in my folder.
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  I would bring my notebook in, right?
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  Yeah, I'd bring my notebook in and and see if this is the
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  notebook or not. Yes, one of those boxes of, I
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  guess what was considered fucking junk had everything that
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  you're holding in your hand. Only it was music in my
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  language, because I don't read music.
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  But I had a very I had a very good system for making it make
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  sense to me, just like you have right there.
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  That's awesome. Yeah.
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  But I don't have This is the beautiful thing about our show.
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  It's completely unscripted for those of you, for those of you
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  watching, you know, I mean, only in America would somebody be
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  digging. This is a this is such a big no
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  no when it comes to any type of media, TV, radio, shit, digging
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  through stuff and. Well, let me tell you one of one
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  of the biggest compliments. That so much fucking shit, dude.
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  One of the biggest compliments that Jake gave us was that it
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  was real. You know, It felt like you were
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  just having a conversation, which is supposed to be the
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  point of this podcast, because one of my favorite things about
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  being in a band, or probably the most cool thing about being in a
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  band other than playing the show, which is obviously the
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  coolest thing for me, was hanging out with all you guys
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  and all the other musicians and the sound men and the light men.
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  You know, I was into the whole scene, like a lot of people are
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  in it for chicks. And that's fine.
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  But I was in it for the power, the volume, the show.
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  And then afterwards, I love the conversations that we used to
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  have about life and just esoteric things, you know?
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  Shit that people didn't talk about every day.
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  Yep. What's the meaning of life?
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  Why are we here? You know?
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  Yeah. Only get high.
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  I mean, what's the meaning of life?
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  Great. What?
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  The fuck was that? Oh shit.
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  The storm is finally coming. So we're getting this river of
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  rain. And I've heard.
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  In Arizona for the next 2-3 days and it's finally here.
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  It's finally here and I just heard something slam shut so I
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  think my back door slam shut or? This is a big deal in Arizona,
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  folks. I lived there for 20 years.
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  When it rains, people get excited.
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  Yeah, it's going to fucking be. But if it rains too long, then
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  people get pissed because then it floods.
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  Yeah, Yep, Yep. It's going to flood.
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  So yeah, this is, this is another notebook with just
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  lyrics, man. Just this.
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  And this is one of those things where you, I'd come into
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  practice, you guys would be jamming on something and I would
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  start, I'd pull out my notebook. I'm like, oh, oh, I wonder what
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  this would fit, you know? So what I will say is, for all
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  the future up and coming singer songwriters, the reason that
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  Chris got the gig so quick is he showed up prepared and that's
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  90% of the battle right there. You know, obviously you have to
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  know how to sing to be a singer in a band that just seems like a
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  given. You know, if you want to be a
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  plumber, it's a good idea to know how to plum.
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  But the reason that we said yes to him in a nanosecond was he
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  showed up with all this stuff. He was prepared, he had lyrics
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  ready to go. And then he wrote.
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  Probably, I don't know, 30-40 Fifty more songs while he was in
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  the band. So not only did he bring 100
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  songs with him, he wrote a bunch of songs while he was still in
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  the band. So if you want to be in a band,
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  the best advice I can give you is be prepared.
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  If you're a singer, write songs. If you're a guitar player, play
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  everything you have 1000 times and then play it 1000 more and
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  you might be ready to get on a stage.
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  Because when you step on that stage, that's worth about a
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  year's worth of practices every time you do it.
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  Oh yeah. Absolutely.
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  It's a whole different. Planer.
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  Planer show Live because you? Yeah.
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  No, Because you fuck up live. You don't.
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  The only the only people that know you fuck up live is is the
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  band, the audience. What they're hearing for the
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  first time, they don't know. They don't realize that.
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  Holy shit they don't. They don't realize that that
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  what you did for the fuck up, this is, this is my cover art
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  because when I used to push, when I used to push the Mike
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  Michaels band. You And he was still pushing.
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  That the CD was called. The CD was called Losing the
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  Madness, which is very fitting. Hold on.
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  I got to get my fucking readers on because I'm old now.
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  Yeah, I got to have those too. So I appreciate you knowing
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  that. I can't.
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  See anything? So this was the this, right.
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  So this is how I laid it out for the Mike Michaels band titled
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  Losing the Madness. Our our thank you was the Mike
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  Michaels band would like to thank the following for their
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  support in in the production of this album.
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  Doctor John Daniels which was Jack because he and I were on a
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  speaking name. Mr. Marlon Burrow.
• 21:57
  Who's Mr. Marlon Burrow? Marble.
• 22:00
  Oh marble. Because you smoke marbles.
• 22:02
  Like they're going out of style. Fucking hilarious.
• 22:07
  So here is the order. Listen to your sin vision,
• 22:10
  Freeman. Nothing, man.
• 22:12
  I don't know why. Killing Mary Under Open Skies
• 22:16
  Intervention, Divine Black September, and Losing the
• 22:18
  Madness. Dude, I remember every title,
• 22:21
  but I don't remember all the. I remember every title.
• 22:25
  I don't remember. All the I don't remember
• 22:27
  killing. Yeah, I don't remember this.
• 22:30
  I don't remember the song Killing Mare or something.
• 22:32
  Look that up. I remember that.
• 22:34
  I vaguely remember Under Open Skies, and I don't remember
• 22:37
  September, Black September. So I have to look those up and
• 22:39
  see if they're in this folder again.
• 22:41
  I'm going through this folder ladies and gentlemen.
• 22:44
  Hey, what's the What's the White Zombie?
• 22:47
  And illusion dog marketing. Black, oh black sunshine.
• 22:51
  It's a black September. I know, yeah.
• 22:54
  I'm just thinking. We had Black September before
• 22:56
  Rob Zombie had Black Sunshine, just for the record.
• 23:02
  Yeah, we were. We were ahead of our time.
• 23:04
  There's no question about that. We were told that all the time.
• 23:07
  OK, here you go. Oh, you're going to live with
• 23:09
  this Wednesday, October 9th at 9:00 PM.
• 23:13
  Desperate Angel at the Mason Jar.
• 23:15
  So that would have been one of the first gigs you played with
• 23:17
  us? Yep.
• 23:21
  And then here's here's another one where we were.
• 23:24
  We got really classy, man. We got, we got, we went into the
• 23:27
  A game, we got a stamp with our name on it.
• 23:30
  Yeah, because Scott and I got tired of writing Desperate Angel
• 23:33
  April 2nd at 9:00 PM five, 100 times.
• 23:37
  Yeah, right. That was the electric volume.
• 23:41
  That was the, that was the electric volume.
• 23:42
  That's where you and I met, right.
• 23:44
  Yeah, that's where we. Met.
• 23:45
  Yeah. We met at the Candlebox show at
• 23:46
  The Electric. Volume the music voice I think I
• 23:50
  I think I just found. I think I just found the the
• 23:53
  review the music voice. I don't know why I would say
• 23:57
  this if if because remember we got reviewed one time.
• 24:00
  Yeah, that was always AI wonder. If this is the one which it's
• 24:03
  pretty stellar to be to be reviewed where where the whole
• 24:08
  the whole issue is based on Rush and if we got reviewed that'd be
• 24:11
  pretty fucking cool. We got reviewed quite a few
• 24:15
  times in music, voice, New Times.
• 24:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 24:22
  What was, what was the publication that Scott
• 24:26
  questioned you as to whether you actually wrote the first one?
• 24:31
  Do you remember that? I have no idea.
• 24:33
  I don't remember now. I remember reversing me and I'm.
• 24:36
  Like, yeah, the very first time we got written up, he was like,
• 24:41
  I wonder if Chris wrote. This.
• 24:46
  Yeah. No, I didn't have that kind of
• 24:48
  creative, you know, outside of the box thinking back then, I
• 24:53
  would do it now. Do it now.
• 24:56
  What's your name? I remember looking at him and
• 24:59
  saying if. He did.
• 25:00
  It was how I think. Genius.
• 25:04
  It was just very well written. I think if if I think what it
• 25:09
  yeah I think well-being being when I when I worked for the
• 25:12
  newspapers and shit we would edit anything that came in.
• 25:15
  So it's not like we would keep what what somebody sent.
• 25:20
  You know? We we you keep their idea and
• 25:24
  you edit the fuck out of it because sure, you have to make
• 25:27
  it readable. You know?
• 25:31
  Got to be able to read it. Oh fuck dude.
• 25:37
  It's a desperate Angel flyer. Where was that for?
• 25:41
  October 8th that was so we did back to that was Mason Jar.
• 25:46
  We're doing back-to-back shows we did well.
• 25:48
  No, we did the ballroom October. I'm sorry we did ballroom
• 25:51
  October 8th, Jason Mason Jar October 9th.
• 25:55
  So we did back-to-back nights for more.
• 25:58
  For more information, please contact Mike Michaels 94319350.
• 26:01
  I found our set list. You ready?
• 26:03
  Hold on one second. Our set list so.
• 26:06
  Two things. OK, I never knew we played the
• 26:09
  Mason jar. OK, two things.
• 26:11
  I made balloons come up by doing that.
• 26:14
  Two things anyway. Really.
• 26:18
  Yeah, balloons just came up. Either that or I Yeah.
• 26:21
  Anyway. Interesting.
• 26:24
  So I never knew we played the Mason jar as Desperate Angel,
• 26:27
  Yeah. We played the Mason jar.
• 26:29
  And for the folks listening at home, the Electric Ballroom was
• 26:33
  a big deal. That's where Chris and I met.
• 26:35
  Candlebox played there. Vince Neil played there.
• 26:39
  Cinderella played there. L.A.
• 26:41
  Guns played there. We opened for the Romantics
• 26:44
  there. Marshall Tucker Band.
• 26:46
  Marshall Tucker Band. The Romantics.
• 26:49
  You know, talking in your sleep? Yep.
• 26:52
  I think that no. Oh.
• 26:52
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 26:53
  Is that the romantics? Yeah.
• 26:56
  Yeah. Anyway, whatever band sings that
• 26:58
  song, we open. What I like about you, what I
• 26:59
  like about you. Yeah.
• 27:01
  And. And yeah.
• 27:02
  And what I like about you. What I like about you.
• 27:04
  Yes, you keep it warm at night. So we open for them on singing
• 27:08
  drummer. Never mind.
• 27:10
  Let you go though. Yep.
• 27:11
  We open for them on the big stage and then we open for the
• 27:14
  Marshall Tucker Band on the small stage.
• 27:16
  This club was so big, ladies and gentlemen, it had two clubs and
• 27:21
  one. One side held about 1000 people,
• 27:23
  maybe 800, and the other side probably held a good 3325.
• 27:29
  That's where the Fender showcase room was, which is where Chris
• 27:33
  got mentioned as doing the best version of Roadhouse Blues that
• 27:36
  person had ever seen that wrote for the newspaper.
• 27:41
  Unfortunately, Mike Michaels was not on guitar.
• 27:43
  The Mighty Ray Stone was. Mighty, mighty Raystone.
• 27:50
  But I What was it? I think that was more I can.
• 27:54
  I can do Jim Morrison like I'm like I can do Jim Morrison like
• 27:57
  I'm not. Holy shit.
• 27:59
  Did you just fucking mention the romantics?
• 28:04
  Romantics kick and one O 6.3 FM presents the romantics what it
• 28:08
  like about you and talking to in your sleep.
• 28:09
  Good job, Mike. Yeah.
• 28:13
  Marshall Tucker Band, yeah. Yeah, we opened for them too.
• 28:16
  We did the ballroom. Yep, there we are.
• 28:23
  Marshall Tucker Band. Holy shit, dude.
• 28:25
  Marshall Tucker Band with the Voodoo Dudes.
• 28:31
  Desperate Angel Breeds, breeds the breeds the terrifying.
• 28:41
  What was the last? One fucking genius.
• 28:43
  I am Breed Z. You know, Terrifying.
• 28:47
  Dude, I remember those two bands.
• 28:50
  Never heard them. See, here's the cool like we
• 28:53
  were around when the Funk Junkies were around.
• 28:55
  Yeah, they were amazing. I.
• 28:56
  Remember them? They were cool bags.
• 28:59
  Zig Zag. Zig zag black I.
• 29:01
  Didn't realize at the time, but I went to high school and I went
• 29:03
  to elementary. Yeah, I went to elementary
• 29:05
  school with one of those dudes in Zig Zag Black, which I never
• 29:08
  realized the time until later. If I could have been in any
• 29:11
  other band at that time, I would have wanted to have been in that
• 29:14
  band. They were fucking cool as hell.
• 29:17
  They just kicked ass, man. They reminded me of crows and
• 29:20
  conformity Shaker Wright. Open for them probably, I don't
• 29:25
  know, 100 or 200 times. Fucking this dude dude.
• 29:31
  Pagers pagers 1995 get your pager.
• 29:34
  Get your pager here and you can get really advanced the the the
• 29:38
  Bravo Flex pager for 2995. I had a pager.
• 29:41
  Expires June 12th, 1996. So did I the handwritten the
• 29:48
  handwritten set list because I started handwriting them and
• 29:51
  then I evolved and I started printing them and then dating
• 29:55
  them on the bottom. OK, what's that set?
• 29:57
  So that's what's that date show. Freeman Vision Roadhouse, June
• 30:02
  9th, 1996 Freeman Vision Roadhouse Blues Never Again
• 30:07
  Under Open Skies Nothing Man Cat Scratch Fever as sung by Mike
• 30:11
  Michaels. And then we close the show with
• 30:13
  Listen to Your Sin. And then we would always
• 30:16
  Intervention divine it if we had room for one more, because that
• 30:19
  was our our estranged. Song.
• 30:23
  OK, so we played this under Open Skies live.
• 30:29
  Uh huh. Did the song not last long?
• 30:32
  Because I don't remember that one.
• 30:34
  I remember the title, I just don't remember the.
• 30:36
  Song at all. We may have changed.
• 30:38
  Yeah, I'll. Have to have that flyer.
• 30:40
  I'll have to. Look it up, I'll I'll through.
• 30:42
  There's so much, yeah. There's so much more of this
• 30:44
  stuff, dude. I'll have to go through it all
• 30:46
  and see if I can find that lyric.
• 30:48
  That's my friend Todd Smith. Every, every song we had, I
• 30:51
  ended up right on shout out to Todd Smith.
• 30:55
  I ended up writing everything on the Yeah, on on the computer.
• 31:01
  Oh fuck yeah, that's a cool one right there.
• 31:05
  That's a good one at the Ming's Rock venue that was a Chinese
• 31:08
  restaurant. Yeah.
• 31:11
  They had a rock club on one side and a Chinese restaurant on the
• 31:14
  other. Yep, nothing wrong with that.
• 31:22
  Yeah, this is a trip, man. This is like going back in time.
• 31:29
  A lot of the stuff I have is is magazines from from announcing
• 31:33
  the shows and shit. What's cool is this shit lasted
• 31:36
  like the beautiful thing about giant Tupperware containers,
• 31:39
  man, this shit's been outside in one of my barns since we moved
• 31:42
  in over here. So the fact that it's still
• 31:46
  like, legible and you know, just, you know, good what you
• 31:58
  just said, oh, fuck. In the back of an addendum, OK,
• 32:00
  in the back of a real estate addendum, I wrote a song.
• 32:05
  That's some funny shit. There's some stuff in here in
• 32:10
  the back of it. The back of MLS listings, man.
• 32:14
  Because we would they would, they would go too far.
• 32:18
  That's another song I wrote. Oh yeah, Looking for tomorrow.
• 32:24
  There's a whole fucking. There's a whole set of more shit
• 32:28
  in here, dude. Crazy man.
• 32:31
  Music by Connors. And Michaels take me now, baby.
• 32:36
  As I am simple and free. A crazy man.
• 32:38
  I got no thoughts to think, no memory courses.
• 32:42
  The rhythms in my mind voice is called loud.
• 32:44
  I got a heart of stone. I'm standing on my knees
• 32:47
  beckoned to my vengement, my vengeance.
• 32:49
  So take me now. Take me now in this world, man.
• 32:55
  It's filled with pain. I got to find my claim to fame.
• 32:57
  I got to be. I got to be.
• 33:01
  Don't, don't, don't you close your eyes on me, baby.
• 33:06
  Don't, baby, don't. So take me now as I am simple
• 33:08
  and free. I think that that evolved into
• 33:10
  something more. But that was the original.
• 33:11
  That was the original describing of that song.
• 33:14
  Did that become Freeman? I don't.
• 33:19
  I don't know. Possibly.
• 33:20
  You ought to look up, Freeman, and compare it.
• 33:24
  Listen, my friends, I got a story to tell.
• 33:26
  It's a tart. It's a tale of darkness.
• 33:28
  So listen very well. There's a man.
• 33:29
  Man escaping from within my mind.
• 33:31
  Molecules of trap like a moment in time of tomorrow are haunting
• 33:35
  me Yesterday. Pain of misery.
• 33:37
  This is a rap song. Madman's Diaries.
• 33:40
  And haunting me. Yesterday's pain, my reality.
• 33:42
  Well, I'm on my way. I got to find the place or I can
• 33:46
  be free. And then then a lot of our shit.
• 33:48
  I had improv because then you guys would let me just fucking
• 33:52
  take off on stage vocally. That's a cool song too.
• 33:57
  Biography. There's never again.
• 34:01
  That was a dark song. Nothing.
• 34:04
  There's nothing, man. What can I say?
• 34:08
  What can I say? I had a bad day sipping on a
• 34:11
  bottle, Just wasting time away because I don't know what I've
• 34:15
  been told. And I don't know just where I'll
• 34:17
  go. I live my life.
• 34:19
  I take it day by day, Share my time.
• 34:22
  It'll never fade away. Because I ain't perfect.
• 34:24
  Ain't the chosen one. I find my piece underneath the
• 34:27
  sun. Yeah, Guitar solo.
• 34:31
  This is how this is what happened.
• 34:32
  This is the crazy man part. So take me now, baby, how I am.
• 34:36
  Leave the rest. Separation of sin.
• 34:38
  Oh, it. Became nothing, man.
• 34:41
  I chose my soul and eternity, right?
• 34:43
  Yeah. Now I lay 6 feet to rest.
• 34:46
  I got no regrets, man. Nothing left.
• 34:49
  Just a time that was spinning Lane.
• 34:51
  Just a show crying out of shape because I don't believe in the
• 34:55
  afterlife. You hated this line.
• 34:57
  And I don't believe in Jesus Christ.
• 34:59
  I don't believe in the common man, and I don't believe in the
• 35:03
  government's plan. I don't believe in yesterday's.
• 35:07
  I don't believe in social praise, and I don't believe in
• 35:10
  histories. I don't believe in societies.
• 35:13
  Yeah. Now I believe every lyric of
• 35:16
  that. Nothing, man.
• 35:18
  It's all I am. It's all I am, huh?
• 35:21
  Now I believe every lyric of that.
• 35:23
  Say again? I said now I believe every lyric
• 35:26
  of that. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:29
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Now I want yeah, Here's the
• 35:33
  here's the end of it. Now I want to apologize for my
• 35:35
  life. I want to apologize for damaged
• 35:38
  lies. I live my life the only way I
• 35:40
  could. I gave my soul last.
• 35:43
  No other would. Took my times eternally.
• 35:46
  And man, I'm grateful for my misery.
• 35:48
  It taught me well about my history.
• 35:51
  It taught me well about my insanity.
• 35:54
  That's that journey we would take people on.
• 35:55
  Then it got so fucking high and just rock'n'roll, man.
• 35:59
  But the chorus is badass. I don't believe in the
• 36:01
  afterlife. I don't believe in Jesus Christ,
• 36:04
  which I do. For the record, I don't believe
• 36:06
  in the common man, and I don't believe in the government's
• 36:08
  plan. I don't believe in yesterday's.
• 36:11
  I don't believe in social praise.
• 36:13
  I don't believe in histories and I don't believe in societies.
• 36:16
  Because I'm nothing. I'm a nothing man or nothing
• 36:19
  man. That's all that I am.
• 36:20
  Because I'm a nothing man. Nothing man.
• 36:23
  But there's plenty of people out there that.
• 36:27
  There's plenty of people out there today that still feel that
• 36:29
  exact same way. Yep, that's what I'm saying,
• 36:34
  dude. Relevant.
• 36:35
  Do I have a date on this fucking thing?
• 36:36
  Because that would be bad ass. Yes, April 1996 Mr. Michaels.
• 36:42
  Fuck 1996 and it's still relevant today.
• 36:45
  Topical. Topical.
• 36:47
  Relevant. This song has no name.
• 36:50
  But I, I. You're gonna recognize it?
• 36:52
  Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah.
• 36:55
  Dude. The drums on this thing.
• 36:57
  Everybody. Da na na na na.
• 36:58
  No, listen to me, Right. Yeah.
• 37:03
  I'm going to. That's the one I had him do that
• 37:04
  tribal beat to. Yeah.
• 37:07
  Those lyrics are awesome. Yes, Freeman Freeman.
• 37:11
  Fuck yeah. I'm going to be a free man.
• 37:13
  I'm going to fight until the end.
• 37:14
  This is the original scribing, so this was written at practice
• 37:18
  probably. That's the very first song we
• 37:20
  all wrote together. So everybody listen, All right
• 37:26
  on and there's a note on the side. 5th song harmonica.
• 37:29
  I don't. So we had harmonica in this
• 37:30
  thing somewhere. Oh, it was the 5th song on the
• 37:36
  demo. Tell me where.
• 37:37
  And you always wanted me to keep the original harmonica that Mike
• 37:42
  Hagstrom played on the original recording.
• 37:45
  It was ghosted in the background of the track and I was going to
• 37:49
  cut it off and you were like, no, leave it in there, man, It's
• 37:52
  cool. I dig it.
• 37:57
  That's what that note's from. I can't.
• 38:00
  I can hear shit when I'm writing it.
• 38:01
  Yeah. Oh, gotcha.
• 38:02
  OK, yeah. So at the time, this song has no
• 38:05
  name because they had no name at the time.
• 38:08
  So with everybody listen to me. I'm going to tell you how it's
• 38:10
  supposed to be. I'm going to be a free man.
• 38:13
  I'm going to fight until the end.
• 38:15
  I'm going to find the answer here.
• 38:16
  I'm going to make it all quite clear in this world.
• 38:19
  Today, we all get betrayed like a brother of mine.
• 38:23
  He's got a brainless mind. I'm going to choose the road I
• 38:26
  take. I'm going to be the one to
• 38:29
  escape. I'm going to fly to the heavens
• 38:31
  above. Fuck, I love this.
• 38:32
  Singing this song, dude, I'm going to be the.
• 38:35
  This is such a badass song, man. Like I can just, I can feel.
• 38:39
  I can feel the stage presence. You know, people tell me how to
• 38:43
  live my life. Preachers tell me about the
• 38:45
  afterlife. I'm going to make it if I can.
• 38:48
  I'm going to beat down the man. I'm going to fly with the Eagles
• 38:51
  above. I'm going to be with the
• 38:54
  Lonesome Dove. I'm going to ask the questions
• 38:57
  why, why everybody's. I'm going to ask the questions
• 39:00
  here why everybody's got to disappear.
• 39:03
  Listen, children, to my mind, I'm a victim of senseless crime.
• 39:07
  I'm going to tell you about the afterlife.
• 39:09
  I'm going to tell you what happened last night.
• 39:11
  I'm going to tell you about my insanity.
• 39:12
  I'm going to tell you about my misery.
• 39:15
  That was such a fucking great song, dude.
• 39:17
  And not just lyrically, just everything that we did with
• 39:20
  that, that, that just fucking just reading that dude.
• 39:23
  It's like, fuck, that was a good song.
• 39:26
  Such a good song. There's the original fucking pan
• 39:29
  of listen to your sin, man. Yeah, so when we were.
• 39:32
  Fucking thing of Listen to your sin.
• 39:35
  Freeman. That's the time that Scott told
• 39:38
  me that nobody ever asked him to play more drums.
• 39:42
  I told him to hit him harder and play a lot more.
• 39:44
  I didn't know. I didn't know.
• 39:46
  I didn't know the word tribal yet.
• 39:48
  You know, I was fucking stupid. You know, I grew up in the
• 39:52
  middle of a. Corner because it wasn't a thing
• 39:53
  I. Didn't know anything about
• 39:54
  Tribal, so all I knew to tell him was, I need you to hit those
• 39:58
  drums right there. A lot more and a lot harder.
• 40:01
  And he just started laughing. He's like, nobody ever told me
• 40:04
  to play more or hit him harder, but I can do that.
• 40:07
  So he started playing that rhythm that you know and love
• 40:10
  and I was like, yeah, that's it. That's what I want to hear.
• 40:14
  Because there's not a lot of guitar in that song.
• 40:16
  It's the same three chords. It's like ACDC.
• 40:23
  Yeah, but fucking what a song, dude.
• 40:25
  What? A.
• 40:25
  Oh, and kicked ass. No question.
• 40:27
  I agree with you. A.
• 40:28
  Million on his. It was so much fun to play.
• 40:32
  So here is the first dude, all that shit was fun to play.
• 40:38
  Here's the very first poem I ever had published in high
• 40:41
  school. That's when everybody's like,
• 40:45
  holy shit, Chris has a soul, man.
• 40:47
  That's awesome. They just thought it was this
• 40:49
  dude. Want to hear it?
• 40:51
  It's pretty. Cool touch of Gray in the early
• 40:54
  morning mist as the in the early morning mist as the sunrise
• 40:58
  steals the sky. We see a gentle person walking
• 41:01
  slowly by. Her kindness and caring fills
• 41:04
  the sky with life with no need for sunlight.
• 41:08
  For her love is oh so bright. Living her life, taking it day
• 41:11
  by day for all the friends she's made makes her wealthier every
• 41:14
  day. As this day goes on the sunsets
• 41:17
  far below. We all know she's leaving, as
• 41:18
  time has told us so I had no idea who that was fucking about,
• 41:22
  but that was a hell of a that was a hell of a home.
• 41:25
  That's awesome. Holy shit, this is the fucking.
• 41:29
  OK, so this is the entire welcome to my mind catalog that
• 41:35
  I wrote. Fuck.
• 41:36
  Welcome my mind one and two. That's crazy, man.
• 41:42
  So that is fucking crazy. When you and I first met, that
• 41:48
  was one of the first things you wanted to do.
• 41:51
  When we got up and rolling as a band.
• 41:54
  He shows up at my apartment, Part 2.
• 41:56
  I want to write Part 2 of this epilogue that I have and I want
• 42:02
  like. Crazy, and I have it right
• 42:04
  there. Music in the background.
• 42:07
  It's going to be a spoken word. And I was totally down for it.
• 42:10
  But I had never like, really dove into anything like that.
• 42:14
  I didn't understand it. So you kind of walk me through
• 42:16
  what it was, what your vision of it was like.
• 42:19
  You had an amazing ability to put into words for me to
• 42:27
  visualize it as music, and I don't know any other way to
• 42:30
  describe it other than that, other than you could speak a
• 42:33
  language that I could understand.
• 42:37
  I could not understand it, I could translate it into music
• 42:40
  it. Was just right.
• 42:43
  Yeah, I know I. And I've told you that before,
• 42:47
  that of everybody I've ever worked with, musically, you're
• 42:50
  the one person I could walk into the room and say here, here, I
• 42:53
  wrote this song last night. And by either the end of
• 42:56
  practice or the next time we had practice, you'd have music for
• 42:59
  it. And then we would bring it to
• 43:00
  Scott and Rick and and then all of a sudden we had a song.
• 43:04
  Nobody else has ever been able to do that in in all of my years
• 43:07
  of of writing music. And you know, that's the one
• 43:11
  thing we just we just had that man.
• 43:13
  It's just I don't know what it was about us.
• 43:16
  So to answer a question that. That you know.
• 43:21
  To answer a question that I get asked a lot, which is if you
• 43:26
  love it so much, why don't you still do it?
• 43:29
  To Chris's point, it's not that easy.
• 43:34
  A lot of things have to happen in the right order, at the right
• 43:39
  time, or it never will happen because it's not enough to be a
• 43:46
  good singer, It's not enough to be a good guitar player.
• 43:49
  You have to have an X Factor that nobody else has that makes
• 43:54
  you stand out from the crowd. And I'll tell you what mine was,
• 43:58
  he just described it. If you ask me to describe an
• 44:03
  emotion in words, I used to be tongue tied.
• 44:07
  So this podcast has helped a lot with my being able to convey
• 44:11
  into words what I'm actually hearing in my mind, which I
• 44:14
  didn't do a lot and I was bad at it.
• 44:16
  So I got misunderstood a lot because I'm not angry, I'm not a
• 44:20
  mad person, but if you ask me to describe an emotion musically,
• 44:26
  I'll do it right now. Ask me how I feel, I'll play how
• 44:29
  I feel. If I'm sad, it's going to sound
• 44:32
  sad. If I'm happy, it's going to
• 44:34
  sound happy. I know how to convey things
• 44:36
  musically, and that was my gift when we wrote a song called
• 44:40
  Window of Hell. It's just such an intense song
• 44:45
  because it's a guy evaluating his life at the end of it and
• 44:49
  realizing that he's fucked and this is where he's going.
• 44:54
  And Chris describes it in a way that just blew my mind.
• 44:57
  And I thought when this solo comes up, I have to take over
• 45:01
  for what he's conveying to the audience right now.
• 45:06
  And the best compliment I ever got was from a guy named Toby.
• 45:10
  I can't remember his last name. He was a guitar player for a
• 45:14
  band called the Diesel Dogs. We opened up for him at Joe's
• 45:17
  Grotto. He came up when we got done
• 45:20
  playing that song that night. And he's like, dude, when you
• 45:23
  hit that solo, all I saw was like bones crushing.
• 45:26
  And I don't know any other way to describe it other than all I
• 45:30
  saw was just bone shattering all over and I hugged him.
• 45:34
  That's all I knew to do. I just grabbed onto him.
• 45:36
  And I'm like, I love you right now because that was the biggest
• 45:42
  compliment I had ever gotten as a musician from somebody I
• 45:46
  didn't know. Like, I love you right now, man.
• 45:49
  That's awesome, dude. It was that's that's.
• 45:52
  Fucking awesome. That's when I knew that I was
• 45:56
  actually. Why don't you say window of hell
• 45:58
  And I want to oh, there it is. I found it.
• 46:00
  That's when I knew I was actually a composer, not just a
• 46:03
  Flayer. Yeah, well, we were all composed
• 46:09
  because we we created music and that's what what's a composing?
• 46:12
  Composing. I keep looking away from the
• 46:14
  screen. You're good, just make sure you
• 46:16
  don't hell microphone because you don't have a condenser
• 46:19
  microphone this time. Right, right.
• 46:24
  I I I got I found this is my mic.
• 46:25
  This is my stage mic man. So window a hell.
• 46:29
  I got a feeling within my mind. It makes my soul withered and
• 46:32
  tired when the days are long and the night stands still.
• 46:37
  My soul was lost in a window of hell with all the daggers thrown
• 46:41
  at me. And then I scribbled out and
• 46:44
  wrote something. It's hard to see my misery.
• 46:50
  I still feel the pain inside. It takes me on a a different
• 46:54
  ride. I got a feeling that I'm good.
• 46:55
  This is the course. I got a feeling that I'm going
• 46:57
  to die. I got a feeling, and I'm not
• 46:59
  sure why. I got a feeling that I'm going
• 47:01
  to die. I got a feeling that I'm losing
• 47:03
  my life. As I sit alone and drink the
• 47:06
  wine, I unlock the chemicals within my mind.
• 47:11
  Yeah. I look into the mirror of
• 47:14
  mankind. I question everything.
• 47:16
  The answers are sublime and I don't know if I make it all
• 47:21
  night and I'm not sure if I'll make it through the night.
• 47:25
  My soul is lost in the window of hell.
• 47:27
  I repeat that twice. I got a feeling that I'm going
• 47:30
  to die. I got a feeling, and I'm not
• 47:32
  sure why. I got a feeling I'm going to
• 47:34
  die. I got a feeling I'm losing my
• 47:36
  life. Then there's a solo.
• 47:38
  My soul is lost in the window of hell, and that's why I think I
• 47:41
  would just improv that on live. Just my soul is lost in the
• 47:44
  window of hell while you were jamming out and shit.
• 47:46
  Yeah, so that's where I had to take over was that that guy's
• 47:49
  most girls desperate moment. You know, you read those last
• 47:53
  two lines again. That's where I took over with
• 47:56
  the solo and I'm like, there, this has to be impactful.
• 47:59
  It can't just be a wanking contest, you know?
• 48:02
  It has to mean something, because this guy just reached,
• 48:05
  hit hit the point where he knew he's fucked.
• 48:11
  Yeah, I got a feeling that I'm going to die.
• 48:13
  I got a feeling, and I'm not sure why.
• 48:16
  I got a feeling that I'm going to die.
• 48:17
  I got a feeling that I'm losing my life and then the solo comes
• 48:20
  in. Yeah.
• 48:22
  And that's the one cool thing I will say.
• 48:24
  And that when I would, when I would write shit right it, you
• 48:29
  would think it was going to be the same words, but they weren't
• 48:31
  always the same words. In the course they would rhyme,
• 48:35
  but a lot of times they'd be different words on different
• 48:38
  phrases just because of the concept I was trying to get
• 48:40
  across. So yeah, I was as long as it
• 48:43
  fit. I dug that about your writing.
• 48:45
  Out of pocket, it worked. Oh, thank you.
• 48:49
  Those are things that I picked up on, I wasn't big on.
• 48:52
  That's the one thing. I you know what?
• 48:56
  I always say that I wasn't big on lyrics back then, but I
• 49:00
  remember almost every lyric to every song you ever wrote.
• 49:03
  So they apparently meant something to me, and I don't
• 49:06
  really remember a lot of lyrics to to a lot of other songs.
• 49:10
  Of I've I yeah, I will say, aside from the council, I
• 49:15
  remember everything we wrote once, Especially like like you
• 49:20
  just saw some of those songs. I just pulled up the lyrics and
• 49:22
  the melody boom right away and I can hear the music.
• 49:25
  Too bad I can't describe it, but I mean just the opening line of
• 49:30
  some of those, all of all of them really.
• 49:33
  It's just the melody's still there, which just tells you how
• 49:36
  much we put in it and how how many times we played it and
• 49:40
  grinded it out. And we still, I think we still
• 49:43
  always played show like it was the first time we ever played
• 49:46
  those songs, even though we got better and better every every
• 49:49
  time, because it was that mindset that we.
• 49:52
  Have that was always. Fans, every show we have to win
• 49:54
  over. Fans we got to, yeah, we got to.
• 49:57
  We got to build our following. We got to build their More
• 50:01
  tickets we sell. The more shows we get, the
• 50:02
  bigger venues we play, because that's how it worked back then.
• 50:05
  Boys and girls, it wasn't oh, let's go home and get a computer
• 50:10
  thing, garage band, whatever the fuck, Technologies.
• 50:12
  And like Billie Eilish, let's build this entire thing in our
• 50:15
  basement with our brother and then release it.
• 50:18
  We did not. Have to actually go out and play
• 50:21
  to get better and get better and get better, no.
• 50:24
  We did not have this technology, so music nowadays, to Chris's
• 50:29
  point, the nice thing about this technology is we can write and
• 50:36
  record a song for you right here.
• 50:40
  But the reason that ours will hopefully be better is because
• 50:43
  we played thousands of times together.
• 50:49
  We played at least 1000 shows and the thing that I cannot
• 50:53
  impress, impress upon people enough is we were not weekend
• 50:56
  warriors. So if we didn't have a gig that
• 50:58
  night, we had practice. There was no ifs, ands or buts.
• 51:01
  There were no days off. We all took the week between
• 51:03
  Christmas and New Year's off, and that was our vacation every
• 51:07
  year. The other every other day of the
• 51:10
  year we were either at practice or we were playing a gig.
• 51:13
  So that went on for years. You can imagine how many times
• 51:16
  we played these songs. That's why he's able to just rip
• 51:19
  off a melody like it's nothing. But you have to be that
• 51:22
  prepared. And that's why we got to open
• 51:25
  for the Romantics and the Marshall Tucker Band and L.A.
• 51:29
  Guns and Sevendust and Sacred Reich so many times we can't
• 51:34
  count them. Enough's enough.
• 51:36
  Pat Travers. Yeah, that was my that was my
• 51:42
  horrible experience. Because he was one of my guitar
• 51:47
  heroes. No, I got to meet him before we
• 51:53
  played, and he was so coked up that he he was just a total
• 51:57
  Dick. And it broke my fucking heart.
• 52:00
  So that's my Pat Travers story. I don't hold it against him
• 52:04
  because I've been there and don't do drugs, kids and turns
• 52:07
  you into a Dick. Well, you have to define what
• 52:10
  drugs are. Don't do cocaine.
• 52:12
  Don't do methamphetamines. Don't do heroin.
• 52:15
  Don't do pills. Right.
• 52:17
  Don't do heroin. Don't do fentanyl.
• 52:18
  Right. You can mess with the legal
• 52:20
  marijuana. You can mess with the mushrooms.
• 52:23
  They won't hurt you. Try and stay away from the acid,
• 52:25
  because that's a you got to know what you're doing.
• 52:28
  Because it's legal, man, you know?
• 52:30
  The weed in the mushrooms will not hurt you at all.
• 52:33
  They will not kill you. You may wish you were dead if
• 52:36
  you do too many mushrooms, but they will not kill you.
• 52:42
  Yeah, and if anybody needs a guide.
• 52:44
  And nothing. But you know, I'm your guy.
• 52:49
  I can't stress that. Give you some lyrics to songs
• 52:51
  and you can read it and take a so that's a trip that listens to
• 52:54
  your sin. Knowing that I never did any
• 52:57
  type of hallucinogen that that encapsulated your journey with
• 53:02
  with acid, that's a trip. Dump dump it does.
• 53:07
  I can't stress that enough. That's why I listen to that song
• 53:10
  so much. Because for anybody, who's ever,
• 53:16
  anybody who's ever tripped good or bad, and they listen to the
• 53:22
  lyrics to that song with the landscape of the music behind
• 53:26
  it, it totally captures what you're thinking for surely on
• 53:31
  your first trip, if you have any kind of conscience.
• 53:35
  Because for me, the first time I did it, to your point with I
• 53:39
  didn't like the line that you sang back then.
• 53:43
  I was pretty indoctrinated into the church.
• 53:46
  Yeah, I was very indoctrinated into the church back then
• 53:50
  because that was how we were raised, and there's nothing
• 53:53
  wrong with that. Part of the reason that I'll
• 53:59
  back up one second, I just had a three hour conversation with a
• 54:01
  very good friend of mine who needed to talk.
• 54:05
  And one of the things that I couldn't impress upon him enough
• 54:10
  was I wanted to figure out life so bad for myself that I moved
• 54:15
  2000 miles away from everyone I loved.
• 54:19
  It's not because I didn't love them anymore.
• 54:21
  It's because I didn't want to be influenced by anyone for any
• 54:26
  reason. That's how important it was to
• 54:28
  me to figure out life for myself.
• 54:30
  Because I'm a, you know, you don't find a more independent
• 54:33
  person than me. So it wasn't that I didn't care
• 54:37
  about him or I didn't want to be with him anymore.
• 54:40
  And you know, I know they had their own questions.
• 54:43
  So I'm answering it right here. I just needed to figure life out
• 54:46
  for myself and what it meant to me.
• 54:48
  So Fast forward to my first hallucinogen experience.
• 54:53
  The only part that freaked me out was you do feel like there's
• 54:58
  something wrong with what you're doing until you get there.
• 55:02
  And I can't stress that enough. If you've never been there,
• 55:06
  don't talk about it other than it's freaky for someone of your
• 55:11
  skill set as a songwriter and a poet lyricist to be able to
• 55:18
  capture something that you've never done, that just that's
• 55:24
  amazing. Well, you know.
• 55:28
  That song would be a hit today. Oh, I did.
• 55:33
  There's I there's, I think, I think six of our Yeah.
• 55:37
  Vision Freeman. Nothing.
• 55:39
  Man, listen to your sin. Intervention.
• 55:41
  Divine window of hell. I don't know why all those, all
• 55:47
  those had hooks, all those had great riffs in them.
• 55:49
  All of them had just a really big fat Sound of Music behind
• 55:53
  it. And and I think all of them, I
• 55:56
  think our debut album would have would have been one of those
• 56:00
  things that if it if it got picked up by the right radio
• 56:03
  station ship, because that's a big if.
• 56:04
  But if it was played, I think it would have took off.
• 56:09
  And well, we would have been. Right now.
• 56:13
  Unfortunately, right about the time that Metal Blade had
• 56:16
  expressed their interest, things came to a abrupt halt.
• 56:23
  And I guess, yeah, I guess in hindsight, you know, we probably
• 56:34
  should have done things entirely differently.
• 56:36
  Because my answer to the person that asked me why it ended was
• 56:43
  the same as it always is, right? For whatever reason, that we
• 56:48
  decided to go in that direction at that moment in time and not
• 56:52
  give you the time to take care of whatever you were dealing
• 56:54
  with was the biggest mistake we ever made.
• 56:57
  Because everything got worse from that point forward.
• 57:01
  You know, we got better gigs for a short time, right?
• 57:06
  But had you still been there? But Rick, Rick and nothing to.
• 57:10
  That whole rocket ship was ready to take off.
• 57:12
  Rick would if he was here right now in the middle of us having a
• 57:15
  three-way conversation, and I hope to do that one of these
• 57:18
  days. Get him on here, he would admit.
• 57:20
  Man he did the best. He.
• 57:22
  Could with what he had. You were.
• 57:25
  The way I described it to the person that asked the question
• 57:27
  was you were a force to be reckoned with man.
• 57:30
  You commanded a stage the way a front man needed to, and you
• 57:35
  can't just replace that even with even if Rick had been the
• 57:38
  greatest singer on the planet, it's not going to replace the
• 57:41
  charisma, right? If we were failing in any way,
• 57:48
  you knew how to draw a crowd back.
• 57:53
  Yeah, that's just because I'm stubborn, man.
• 57:57
  Well, and that can. But see, a part of that too is
• 57:59
  because I didn't. It was a lot of it was what I
• 58:03
  did before. Before I found before we found
• 58:06
  each other at at the ballroom when I was and for those of you
• 58:09
  who don't know the story, I was, the Candlebox was playing and I
• 58:12
  was singing along with Kevin Martin.
• 58:14
  And after every song this long haired hippie dude would turn
• 58:17
  around and look at me like and give me a look like shut the
• 58:19
  fuck up. And then like we'd kind of
• 58:20
  chuckle whatever. And then the next song would
• 58:22
  come on and I would, I would sing it verbatim and he'd
• 58:24
  fucking. Soon as the song was over, he'd
• 58:26
  turn fucking back around, like really what he was doing I more
• 58:31
  now looking back on it was like, holy shit, this dude behind me
• 58:33
  can sing. He's.
• 58:34
  Singing. Yeah, I wasn't pissed at all.
• 58:35
  I was. Pissed.
• 58:36
  That's not a fucking easy feat, right?
• 58:39
  That wasn't an easy feat by any way, shape or form.
• 58:41
  Cause back in the day, Kevin Martin was the fucking shit,
• 58:44
  man. He had great.
• 58:45
  Voice. So half the stage goes out with
• 58:48
  electrical issues, right, And Mike turns around again and
• 58:50
  hands me this business card to you, a singer.
• 58:52
  And I'm like, I don't know. And that's how we met and
• 58:55
  that's. And then I think I called you a
• 58:57
  couple days later and then like you said, I went to practice
• 59:00
  with my bag of lyrics and that's like, fucking game on.
• 59:03
  So yeah, I came prepared, but there was no apprehension from
• 59:07
  me because I already, quote, UN quote auditioned for you without
• 59:11
  realizing that I was auditioning for you because I was just
• 59:13
  having a good time singing along with Kevin Candlebox, you know?
• 59:18
  So it'd be a little bit different, I think, if if I
• 59:22
  showed up at the practice pad and fucking you never heard me
• 59:27
  sing before, you had no idea what my range was, You had no
• 59:29
  idea what I was capable of. And then, well, here's my bag of
• 59:31
  lyrics, man, you know what I mean?
• 59:34
  It would have been a different. It would have been a different
• 59:35
  thing. Because thinking back on it.
• 59:38
  But I already I already in. When I went to Scott's The night
• 59:45
  after the candle box concert, I think my exact words were very
• 59:50
  close to my exact words. Whether our prayers have been
• 59:54
  answered, like no more looking for a singer.
• 59:59
  That's why we met you at the bar.
• 1:00:01
  All he cared about was that you guys vibe together and that you
• 1:00:05
  didn't give him a creeper vibe. Because we had auditioned so
• 1:00:08
  many singers and so many bass players and so many of these
• 1:00:12
  guys, you could tell we're living out of the fucking trunk
• 1:00:15
  of their car. You know they stunk.
• 1:00:18
  And we had like probably, I don't know, $15,000 worth of
• 1:00:23
  gear in there. You know, vintage Marshall amps
• 1:00:25
  and Fender amps. And sure, eventually Scott was
• 1:00:30
  actually playing Eric Singer's drum kit.
• 1:00:34
  For those of you at home that don't know who Eric Singer is,
• 1:00:36
  he's currently the drummer and KISS and has been for, you know,
• 1:00:40
  30 some years. So, not the original, but he's a
• 1:00:44
  big deal. So Scott actually bought his
• 1:00:47
  drums. He left them at Jason Rainey's
• 1:00:49
  apartment, and Jason said for 600 bucks, just get them out of
• 1:00:52
  my apartment. Brand new, double bass,
• 1:00:55
  beautiful. Probably a $2000 kit back then,
• 1:00:58
  you know? So that's awesome.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, I would say that you had the gig from the get go.
• 1:01:09
  We just needed to get drunk with you once and that didn't take
• 1:01:13
  long. And I think we went back and
• 1:01:15
  wrote Freeman that first day. I think, yeah, yeah, I remember.
• 1:01:20
  I don't remember. I don't remember meeting at the
• 1:01:21
  bar, to be honest with you, but I remember the first practice
• 1:01:24
  going in. That's because we got drunk.
• 1:01:26
  Like, OK, this is cool, you know?
• 1:01:28
  And yeah, and I always liked, I always liked when we would jam
• 1:01:32
  and then we'd take breaks and we'd sit on his, his stoop.
• 1:01:35
  If you want to call it a stoop and we'd bullshit.
• 1:01:37
  You guys would smoke and you know, I'd.
• 1:01:40
  I'd read shit. And hey, I got this, I got that.
• 1:01:42
  What do you think about this? We talked about what we just
• 1:01:45
  played and, you know, game plan and shit and we'd go back in and
• 1:01:48
  jam again, you know? Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  And so Kerry told us to fucking stop, I think, for the most
• 1:01:54
  part. Yeah, we got cut off when the
• 1:01:56
  kids had to go to bed, Yeah. Yeah, which work to get would
• 1:02:01
  because we had just had, we had either we just had Sky or we
• 1:02:04
  were about to have Sky, my daughter.
• 1:02:07
  So, you know, that always kind of worked out well, because then
• 1:02:10
  I wouldn't get too much shit from Nikki.
• 1:02:12
  Well, I can tell you one thing. And the truth be told, our very
• 1:02:16
  Yeah. I can tell you one thing about
• 1:02:18
  those kids. Not one of them was afraid of
• 1:02:20
  loud noises. No, and they shouldn't be.
• 1:02:26
  They had a heavy metal band or a rock band in their living room
• 1:02:29
  from birth. Right.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, yeah. Well, so you were going down the
• 1:02:42
  path of of the the end of Nemesis.
• 1:02:47
  Well, that's eventually why it ended was there was nowhere left
• 1:02:51
  to go without the vision that I had in my head.
• 1:02:56
  You know, once again, I'm no Jimmy Page, but I stole a lot of
• 1:03:00
  ideas from him and right. Led Zeppelin was something that
• 1:03:04
  he saw in his head, but he. Steals everything from everyone.
• 1:03:07
  So and the only concept that I stole from him was it's all for
• 1:03:12
  one you know there without you there was no Nemesis.
• 1:03:17
  Without me there was no Nemesis Without Scott there was no you
• 1:03:20
  there. We were not interchangeable
• 1:03:22
  parts because to quotes the mighty James Hetfield, who just
• 1:03:26
  quoted this recently, independently.
• 1:03:29
  We are not that great of musicians, you know, we're
• 1:03:32
  average players. So are we.
• 1:03:36
  But together we were fucking magical.
• 1:03:38
  But together? We were magical, and that's
• 1:03:42
  exactly what metallic is, he said.
• 1:03:44
  We go in there and we hammer it out and something happens that I
• 1:03:47
  can't tell you in words what it is.
• 1:03:50
  I couldn't tell you what it was. For us.
• 1:03:53
  It just worked. And it was beautiful because
• 1:03:56
  there were no egos. There was no argument arguing
• 1:04:01
  there was no, I think, you know, I should be able to do this that
• 1:04:06
  way, or why can't I do whatever? There was none of that.
• 1:04:09
  There was. Do you think this would benefit
• 1:04:12
  this section of the song, you know?
• 1:04:15
  Or occasionally, Chris would say, I like this part for my
• 1:04:20
  verse and I like this part for my chorus.
• 1:04:22
  But you guys are calling in the opposite.
• 1:04:25
  And Scott and I would be like, we don't care.
• 1:04:27
  What the fuck would I call it? Just, you know, you call it what
• 1:04:30
  you need to call it and we'll just play the music.
• 1:04:32
  Do you want us to play it in the same order, different order?
• 1:04:34
  What do you want? We just want to jam, man, you
• 1:04:38
  know? Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  And that. Yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Yep. We were true musicians.
• 1:04:41
  The problem? The problem with a lot of bands,
• 1:04:45
  to put this into more psychology terms, is somebody wants to be
• 1:04:53
  what somebody else already is. So we didn't have anyone that
• 1:04:59
  wanted to be you. Nobody wanted to be Scott.
• 1:05:03
  No. You know, I know Rick wanted to
• 1:05:06
  be a guitar player, but he was super happy being a bass player
• 1:05:09
  in a working band, so he never bitched about that.
• 1:05:13
  Yeah, yeah. And I I think the other thing
• 1:05:16
  too is you know, we you from from a band standpoint, you have
• 1:05:21
  to know, you have to, you have to know your language, you have
• 1:05:24
  to know you have to have a a a bit of a bit of an ego with you.
• 1:05:29
  Because, like, like, I know I'm not the greatest thing in the
• 1:05:32
  world, but I also know nobody can do what I do.
• 1:05:35
  Correct. You know, nobody sounds like I
• 1:05:37
  sound like, you know. So it's the same concept.
• 1:05:40
  Nobody could do what you do as a guitar player and nobody sounds
• 1:05:43
  like you sound like because you had your own unique tones, you
• 1:05:45
  had your own unique ways to approach writing a song and the
• 1:05:49
  different effects you use. The same with Scott.
• 1:05:51
  It's all right here. How Rick played like like we
• 1:05:53
  talked about before, right? It's all that you're talking
• 1:05:56
  about before. Once Rick came in the band, it
• 1:05:58
  it changed, right? And it and some of the shit that
• 1:06:01
  that Rick played changed what we had already written without a
• 1:06:04
  bass player. Yes, I did.
• 1:06:06
  And then? All of a sudden it's like, holy
• 1:06:07
  shit, there's a bass, there's a underlying.
• 1:06:09
  So that was the beauty. That's the beauty of the bands
• 1:06:12
  that stand the test of time, like the Metallica's and EU
• 1:06:15
  Twos. And fuck, I can't even like
• 1:06:18
  Rush. They they.
• 1:06:20
  And I'm not comparing us to any of those bands and Led Zeppelin
• 1:06:22
  until John Bottom died, but everybody knows their role.
• 1:06:26
  The uniqueness. You don't go in.
• 1:06:28
  We never went into the right. We never went into it thinking,
• 1:06:31
  oh, we're going to, we're going to be, you know, we're going to
• 1:06:33
  be Van Halen Ish. No, we're going to be Nemesis.
• 1:06:36
  We're going to be desperate Angel.
• 1:06:37
  And until I watched a video of Pearl Jam and I saw Nemesis on
• 1:06:41
  the screen, like, oh dude, we're changing our name to Nemesis.
• 1:06:43
  Thankfully. But that's just it.
• 1:06:45
  We're just we're just, we're just, we're just the band.
• 1:06:48
  We're just, you know, we just wherever it took us, it took us
• 1:06:52
  and yeah it was taken to somewhere and I had shit to deal
• 1:06:55
  with and it's. So I parted ways and perfect.
• 1:06:58
  Perfect scenario is is like you said you would have told the
• 1:07:01
  metal blades, dude. Hey man.
• 1:07:03
  Chris needs six months like reel it in six months.
• 1:07:07
  Let's, you know let's circle back around, you know, but and I
• 1:07:12
  said but true to form too. I could have came back to you in
• 1:07:14
  six months and say hey dude, I'm ready.
• 1:07:15
  Let's go. Let's do this correct.
• 1:07:18
  For whatever reason. It's just like, you know to me
• 1:07:21
  the door was shut and it wasn't it wasn't shut like fuck you
• 1:07:24
  shut. But Rick stepped into the role
• 1:07:26
  and that was it. You know.
• 1:07:28
  So then, you know six months later I would have been like,
• 1:07:31
  hey, I know you guys are playing with Rick now but I want to come
• 1:07:34
  back and that would have been awkward for Rick And you know,
• 1:07:36
  and it's one of those things. It's one of those musical
• 1:07:40
  there's not very many things that were there's not very many
• 1:07:42
  things that grit in my life. But this is the one.
• 1:07:46
  Looking back and knowing what we did as I read lyrics and shit,
• 1:07:49
  knowing what we had accomplished.
• 1:07:51
  This is just such a short amount of time that we would have
• 1:07:55
  filled a space in the music industry that was filled by
• 1:07:59
  another band that we were just as good as, if not better.
• 1:08:05
  Vocally I had a better range than than the band I'm referring
• 1:08:07
  to, but we would have filled that that gap right there
• 1:08:12
  because it was the same time that when Creed exploded on the
• 1:08:16
  scene that was that was like our thing.
• 1:08:18
  Like that's when we were that was the round the metal blades
• 1:08:22
  introduction I think and you know short time after that.
• 1:08:25
  We had that idea. And I always quit us to Creed
• 1:08:27
  because. Right, right.
• 1:08:30
  And and that's the only reason I ever compare.
• 1:08:32
  I don't. I don't compare us to Creed I I,
• 1:08:34
  I, I kind of. I put us in the same category.
• 1:08:37
  Because staff writes the way I write.
• 1:08:41
  You know it's about life. It's about it's about going
• 1:08:44
  through struggles and it's it's, it's real life shit.
• 1:08:46
  It's not. Never Again is about the
• 1:08:48
  fractured relationship with my brother and I.
• 1:08:52
  You know Nothing man is and the and the personas that I would
• 1:08:55
  take when I wrote the songs like like the lyric and Nothing man.
• 1:08:58
  I don't believe in Jesus Christ. Me personally, no.
• 1:09:01
  But the nothing man doesn't believe in shit.
• 1:09:03
  He doesn't believe in anything. He's just a motherfucker going
• 1:09:06
  through life with not a care in the world.
• 1:09:07
  And he's stepping on everybody he comes across.
• 1:09:09
  Think of the Unabomber, right? Exactly.
• 1:09:15
  The Unabomber was another. Man said I had when I wrote that
• 1:09:19
  exactly checked out. That's The thing is it's it's
• 1:09:24
  yeah, totally. Window of hell was probably
• 1:09:27
  pulled because all all insanely creative people have doubts with
• 1:09:32
  who they are and where they're going.
• 1:09:33
  And boy, out the insecurities and things.
• 1:09:36
  We've talked about it before, the vulnerability of a lyricist,
• 1:09:39
  you know, coming into a room and saying here's my soul.
• 1:09:43
  And it's the same for a musician.
• 1:09:45
  My soul, on paper, you're going to have to.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, exactly. Because the difference.
• 1:09:50
  Being. It is the difference between a
• 1:09:55
  Weekend Warrior and a cover band, or even if you're a
• 1:09:59
  touring cover band. Yeah, the difference between
• 1:10:02
  somebody who's playing somebody else's music and having the
• 1:10:07
  balls and the ego and the I'm good enough to sit in a room and
• 1:10:14
  create music with other musicians who are good enough to
• 1:10:19
  play on a stage with a national act is a whole different level.
• 1:10:26
  Then I'm going to go jam with my friends in the basement.
• 1:10:29
  And at one time that was scary enough.
• 1:10:31
  You know, I can remember going to my first jam session here in
• 1:10:34
  the town that I live in now with a couple of my buddies that I
• 1:10:38
  went to school with. And I realized that I really
• 1:10:40
  sucked really fucking bad, because they probably weren't
• 1:10:43
  that great either, but they were a hell of a lot better than I
• 1:10:46
  was, you know, I couldn't keep time and I didn't know where the
• 1:10:48
  chord changes were. And I'm like, fuck, I got a lot
• 1:10:50
  to learn to play with other people.
• 1:10:52
  You know, this isn't as easy as it looks now.
• 1:10:54
  Fast forward to I think I'm good enough to put a band together
• 1:10:58
  and write my own songs and get on a stage with people who have
• 1:11:03
  not only done that but sold millions of records.
• 1:11:08
  That takes a hell of an ego. Right, right.
• 1:11:11
  And then you got to keep that ego.
• 1:11:12
  In check and and that's the one right.
• 1:11:16
  And that's one cool thing about what we did as a band like I
• 1:11:19
  don't back in the day you know playing on the same stage as
• 1:11:23
  Marshall Tucker Band. I didn't it didn't even strike
• 1:11:26
  me as anything odd. And now looking back at the now,
• 1:11:28
  it's like, holy shit, that was fucking Marshall Tucker Band.
• 1:11:31
  Yeah, you know. And then playing with playing in
• 1:11:34
  the Mason, right? Playing in the Mason jar and
• 1:11:37
  standing on stage where so many fucking amazing acts came
• 1:11:41
  through and, you know, just mind boggling.
• 1:11:46
  There's no history like that anymore, man.
• 1:11:48
  There's like, there's no fucking clubs that have like the Mason
• 1:11:51
  jar had that history. The wall, the pictures of all
• 1:11:53
  the artists and shit, You know the.
• 1:11:55
  Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots Green Day.
• 1:11:58
  To them, right? Right.
• 1:12:01
  Nemesis. Sacred, right?
• 1:12:02
  Everybody that was anybody had had, right?
• 1:12:06
  Everybody that was anybody. At some point in time before
• 1:12:09
  they were somebody, they came through the Mason jar or they
• 1:12:12
  came when the Tempe music scene was doing what it was doing.
• 1:12:15
  That was, it was the Mason jar. It was, it was Chuy's On Mill
• 1:12:18
  Ave. was that open air auditorium.
• 1:12:21
  Creed played there. Pearl Jam played this weird
• 1:12:24
  little outdoor venue between Chuy's and and a couple other
• 1:12:27
  restaurants. And I know I can see it in my
• 1:12:29
  head. Like, you know, 200 people could
• 1:12:32
  get there and you just pop a band on the concrete stage and
• 1:12:36
  which is really just a a staircase going up to a
• 1:12:39
  platform. That was a great place.
• 1:12:41
  To show national act in the 90s. That right, That's where they
• 1:12:45
  all had to come through to pay their dues.
• 1:12:47
  And if they did good there and drew there, then they would go
• 1:12:50
  inside to the jar. They'd go inside to Chuy's or
• 1:12:52
  they go inside the bar and they do good there.
• 1:12:54
  Then they come back three months later, and then they're playing
• 1:12:56
  the Mesa Amphitheater and then they do good.
• 1:12:58
  You know what I mean? It's like this stepping stone,
• 1:13:00
  and the city had these stepping stones and all.
• 1:13:02
  These real quick stones. That that that Phoenix Tempe had
• 1:13:05
  where, yeah, yeah. All you're kind of describing,
• 1:13:09
  it's going to help people that know me now and only know me
• 1:13:13
  from moving back here. They can't believe how many
• 1:13:16
  concerts I've seen in my life. OK, So what you just described
• 1:13:20
  to them, right, was all within Max 40 minutes from where I
• 1:13:27
  lived. So really, a lot of the venues
• 1:13:30
  that he just described were like 25 minutes from my apartment.
• 1:13:33
  So to his point, if Pearl Jam was going to be at this place, I
• 1:13:39
  would just buy a ticket and go by myself.
• 1:13:41
  That's How I Met him. I bought a ticket to Candlebox,
• 1:13:43
  'cause they were playing at a club right down the road from
• 1:13:45
  ASU, right? I didn't have anybody to go
• 1:13:48
  with. I just bought a ticket, 'cause I
• 1:13:50
  wanted to see them. I dug their music.
• 1:13:51
  That first album I still listen to on repeat to this day, so
• 1:13:55
  it's like I want to see them. I saw, I saw literally hundreds
• 1:14:00
  of shows by myself. There were so many venues right
• 1:14:06
  in Arizona at that time. I'm sure that's not the case
• 1:14:10
  now. Oh, there was.
• 1:14:11
  There's a ton of venues. No, I don't know what the case
• 1:14:15
  is. Now.
• 1:14:15
  Somebody's on my door. Hold on, I don't fucking know
• 1:14:26
  who that is. Some weird dude tried to
• 1:14:28
  interrupt my podcast. He knows it's podcast.
• 1:14:31
  Walking around in the rain, I don't know why.
• 1:14:36
  The funny thing is, is that's the second fucking person that's
• 1:14:39
  been walking around the neighborhood today and obviously
• 1:14:41
  heard me talking, but because my side door window is open now,
• 1:14:45
  he's going across the street. So.
• 1:14:48
  Fucking weird solicitors, man. With everything that we just
• 1:14:51
  said today, let me say before I forget because I think about
• 1:14:56
  this a lot, It means more to me than you could ever know to be
• 1:15:02
  sitting here talking to you doing this podcast.
• 1:15:04
  It's a fucking blast. I'm glad that we're able to
• 1:15:09
  reconnect on a level that we were able to when we were being
• 1:15:13
  creative. And not saying we're not going
• 1:15:15
  to be creative musically, but it's just been fun to kick start
• 1:15:19
  that, you know, It's really to your point.
• 1:15:22
  When we were talking through text messages, it's really
• 1:15:24
  triggered the left side of my brain.
• 1:15:26
  I've wrote a lot of really cool riffs here, at least recently,
• 1:15:28
  so I look forward to this day every week.
• 1:15:32
  And we are. We're going to.
• 1:15:33
  We're going to. I do too.
• 1:15:36
  And we have to. I mean we we talk about it.
• 1:15:38
  We we really do need to put, we need to put some of our original
• 1:15:41
  shit back together. It's going to be hard without
• 1:15:43
  Scott, but we need to get Rick back involved.
• 1:15:46
  Yes. Because I'm sure Rick remembers
• 1:15:48
  some of those baselines and and you know, I know, I know I, I
• 1:15:54
  know a drummer here, Jesse that played in the council.
• 1:15:56
  That's if he'd be willing to kind of jump on board.
• 1:15:59
  Well, he's a. Fucking great drummer.
• 1:16:01
  I think Rick would be an asset to you recording wise too.
• 1:16:05
  If you get, if one of us gets back in touch with him, you know
• 1:16:09
  you guys still live in the same vicinity.
• 1:16:11
  So Rick knows a little bit. Oh yeah, maybe more than a
• 1:16:14
  little bit about recording software and stuff like that.
• 1:16:17
  So if I was sent, if I were to send files to you, he might be
• 1:16:21
  able to be of help to you getting your vocals down.
• 1:16:25
  OK, I'll poke at him. I'll I'll track down William
• 1:16:29
  Rich Carr the 3rd and see what I can accomplish.
• 1:16:31
  And I could use his services in the bass playing department.
• 1:16:34
  So yes, I can play bass if I have to, but I am not the
• 1:16:43
  greatest. Yeah, I'm passing, you know my
• 1:16:48
  Lane, man. I sing the songs, I write the
• 1:16:50
  songs and I sing the songs. I can play bass.
• 1:16:53
  I mean, I do. But a real bass player would be
• 1:16:56
  like, that's a fucking guitar player playing bass.
• 1:16:58
  Come on now. And I get it.
• 1:17:04
  They're entitled to their opinion and they're they're
• 1:17:06
  accurate. So I can't argue that.
• 1:17:08
  It's just funny. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:15
  This is a good show man. I liked.
• 1:17:16
  I like, I'm glad I found my bag. It was good to open that up on
• 1:17:20
  on the show and fucking go, go down, go down that line of of
• 1:17:25
  musical the musical journey you. Know well.
• 1:17:29
  And maybe that's what we'll dub these particular sessions
• 1:17:32
  because I I can't, I can't express enough how much that
• 1:17:38
  was. One of my favorite parts about
• 1:17:40
  being in a band was just a hang afterwards.
• 1:17:42
  You know, talking about the show and music and life.
• 1:17:47
  And you know, we were. I know a lot of it had to do
• 1:17:51
  with the fact we were all 22 years old, but.
• 1:17:57
  Sure. It's still the same, you know.
• 1:17:59
  It's still it's a different conversation with a musician
• 1:18:02
  than it is with a mere mortal. It's just different, you know?
• 1:18:09
  Well, and the fact that that we're able, I mean, you know, I
• 1:18:14
  can't speak for me. I mean I can speak for me, I
• 1:18:17
  can't speak for you. But I think it's you'll agree
• 1:18:19
  with it that it's, you know, aside before this podcast we,
• 1:18:23
  you know, we connected a few times a year, you know, but
• 1:18:27
  correct. It's almost like we just picked
• 1:18:28
  right up where we left off even though we're being you know,
• 1:18:32
  Illinois and Arizona. It doesn't to me, it doesn't
• 1:18:35
  feel like there's there's ever been a gap in time because we we
• 1:18:40
  spent so much time together in practice and on stage and
• 1:18:43
  playing music and creating that you just fall back in love.
• 1:18:47
  Like, I don't have that with council.
• 1:18:48
  Like I there's no way in hell I ever would have.
• 1:18:52
  I would have this ability to pick up where I left off with
• 1:18:55
  any other guitar player to play with.
• 1:18:56
  There's only been three or four of them.
• 1:18:59
  But Council being, you know, the Hollow Council being the one
• 1:19:02
  band that, you know, actually tried to go somewhere.
• 1:19:06
  It's not that we didn't, but you know what I mean?
• 1:19:08
  We had that opportunity. And if it wasn't for the one guy
• 1:19:10
  that fucked it all up with his ego and shit, but I couldn't.
• 1:19:14
  I couldn't sit down a room with him right now to save my life.
• 1:19:16
  Like if my life depended on it, might as well just fucking kill
• 1:19:18
  me, you know? Jesse, I could, you know, the
• 1:19:21
  drummer. Drummer.
• 1:19:22
  Jesse, the drummer. I could, you know.
• 1:19:24
  I literally just had this conversation with.
• 1:19:26
  Josh Absolutely. Different people in the last
• 1:19:32
  week, once you just. Yeah.
• 1:19:34
  And I said verbatim, I was like, it was like we never, you know,
• 1:19:39
  we we didn't sit down and talk for two hours before we did the
• 1:19:43
  first podcast, you know, it was like we just started talking
• 1:19:46
  again like the first time. We ever met through.
• 1:19:49
  The last time we ever talked, you know, and I, I described it
• 1:19:53
  just like you did. I said we talked a couple times
• 1:19:56
  a year. He'd call me up or text me or
• 1:19:57
  whatever. How you doing?
• 1:19:58
  Make sure you're still alive. So we've always been in touch
• 1:20:02
  but to. Talk to, get you to write.
• 1:20:04
  Trying to get you to write some music.
• 1:20:06
  Cuz hey, yeah, yeah, cuz like. Hey and I just.
• 1:20:09
  Sung Let's come up with some music and then.
• 1:20:11
  I just wasn't ready yet. I hadn't worked out all my shit
• 1:20:17
  in my head yet. It is what it is now you are.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah, yeah. Look, I'm sitting in.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah, I'm sitting in my. Studio here's the change.
• 1:20:26
  And here's The funny thing about technology now, man.
• 1:20:30
  All my songs I write, come on, fucking phone.
• 1:20:33
  Even the book I wrote though, even the book I wrote, Legend of
• 1:20:35
  Charles Lee's Lang, I wrote it on my notes on my Mac or my
• 1:20:39
  iPad. But on my notes section of my
• 1:20:42
  phone is is my songs. Like, I just got to scroll
• 1:20:46
  through them and then and I'll see a song like, Oh yeah, I
• 1:20:50
  wrote that song, you know? Yeah, for those of you that
• 1:20:54
  don't know in the listening audience.
• 1:20:56
  I wrote you. Chris is a published author, and
• 1:20:59
  I'm saving that book for the next time the power goes out and
• 1:21:01
  I don't have a fucking thing to do, because it'll happen.
• 1:21:07
  It's an easy read from what I've been told, but this is this is
• 1:21:11
  one I sent you. It's called Trigger.
• 1:21:13
  Just another day. Just another Monday.
• 1:21:14
  Routine is the same. I'm the only one to blame.
• 1:21:18
  Stepped inside the space to to power through the rage.
• 1:21:22
  Keep my thoughts at Bay till this till this fucker got in my
• 1:21:26
  way. She didn't hear what I had to
• 1:21:30
  say in the wrong spot. Frustration turns the rage.
• 1:21:34
  And then the chorus was Listen to what I say.
• 1:21:37
  Open your ears today. Listen to what I say.
• 1:21:39
  Get the fuck out of my way back to the verse.
• 1:21:42
  My life is a habit. It seldomly changes if you
• 1:21:45
  wanted to kill me. No need to be creative.
• 1:21:47
  That's the truest statement I've ever written in my life and.
• 1:21:50
  I like. That same spot every day, same
• 1:21:52
  time, Never change. I have my routine.
• 1:21:54
  Don't take that away from me, you stupid fucking peasant.
• 1:21:57
  Do you realize what you did to me?
• 1:21:59
  This is my solace. This is how I am free.
• 1:22:01
  My daily grind and pushing keeps me in peace and it goes back to
• 1:22:05
  the course I was fucking angry ass song and the whole reason
• 1:22:09
  that came up, this is this is how I write.
• 1:22:11
  Something happens and it triggers me and then my outlet
• 1:22:16
  is to write about it. So that was a motherfucker at
• 1:22:19
  Orangetheory I went to work out. I was still in my boot because I
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  broke my foot. So I could only stay in one
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  spot, the entire workout. For those of you who don't know
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  Orangetheory, it's interval training. 60 minutes you have,
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  you have in my studio, there's there's 15 treadmills, there's
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  15 rowers and there's 15 spots on the floor.
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  So you spend 23 minutes on the treadmill and then 23 minutes
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  going either weight, room, row, machine, back and forth.
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  One is my boot. I could only do upper body and
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  core because I was in a boot. I couldn't run, I couldn't
• 1:22:50
  treadmill, I couldn't row. So I would go spit.
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  I'd I'd go into my spot, station 10 or 11, because it was a
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  corner and it was out of everybody's way, cuz I'd be
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  there for the hour. And I would grab, you know, four
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  or five different weights because I would do all kinds of
• 1:23:06
  core work, shoulder work, you know, whatever.
• 1:23:08
  I would do, what Orangetheory had to be doing in the weight
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  room. But then I'd have another, you
• 1:23:13
  know, half an hour to come up with shit.
• 1:23:16
  So I set, I went in #10 dude wrote it down #10 and I said all
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  the way down, meaning that I'm on #10 rower, treadmill and
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  weight room. So I go put my gear in in the
• 1:23:29
  weight room spot I go to, I think I go to the bath or
• 1:23:32
  something. I come back out.
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  Everybody had gotten off the rowers and moved to the weight
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  room. When doing so.
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  There was somebody standing in 10.
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  So I went and looked at the sheet.
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  The motherfucker didn't block down 10 all the way.
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  So that fucking triggered me, because we've talked about it
• 1:23:46
  before. Working out is how I deal with
• 1:23:49
  my addiction, and it's how I it's how I find my happiness and
• 1:23:52
  my peace on a daily basis. So if I don't work out every day
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  in some level, and to me, dealing with my yard for two
• 1:23:59
  hours is a workout too, 'cause I'm out to sweat and grinding
• 1:24:01
  and stuff, but it's. Serious for your mental but.
• 1:24:04
  That motherfucker triggered me, and I Exactly.
• 1:24:07
  And when I as soon as I wrote that, I sent it to you, I texted
• 1:24:10
  it to you. I'm like, hey dude, I wrote this
• 1:24:13
  song, 'cause there's nobody else for me to say my shit to.
• 1:24:15
  Like, I won't send it like, legitimate.
• 1:24:17
  There's no other guitar player on this planet that I've worked
• 1:24:19
  with that. Number one, I'm still in contact
• 1:24:22
  with #2 that I I don't have any fear sending you anything.
• 1:24:26
  I write at any given time, regardless of what it's about,
• 1:24:29
  and you don't know what it's about.
• 1:24:30
  You don't know the background behind it.
• 1:24:32
  It's just here, dude. I wrote the song.
• 1:24:34
  But you know that had you. Not you've always just embraced
• 1:24:36
  that and accepted it. You know that had you not told
• 1:24:39
  me that story, you would have got some angry ass guitar riffs
• 1:24:41
  for those lyrics? Absolutely, now that you told
• 1:24:46
  me. Dynamic that we have you can
• 1:24:47
  yeah. I mean, now that you told me the
• 1:24:49
  story, it just reinforces in my mind that I was thinking in the
• 1:24:53
  right direction. You know, I don't take credit
• 1:24:57
  for being. The one thing that I also pride
• 1:25:01
  myself on is I don't take credit for being a good guitar player.
• 1:25:05
  I am actually probably the most self deprecating musician that
• 1:25:08
  ever lived that's been playing as long as I have.
• 1:25:11
  Because a true master of the guitar understands one important
• 1:25:18
  lesson. You're never done learning.
• 1:25:21
  You can't master it. You're you're a master.
• 1:25:25
  When you give up the fact that you will never be a master.
• 1:25:28
  Said by Jimmy Page, Said by Les Paul, said by Jimi Hendrix.
• 1:25:33
  There's no figuring the guitar out.
• 1:25:35
  It's a lifetime of exploration. So the way that I have fun with
• 1:25:41
  it is somebody like you who can put into you can paint words
• 1:25:48
  that creates an emotion in me that I can spit out into music.
• 1:25:53
  It's a beautiful thing. It really is.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah, I like that paint. I like that paint.
• 1:25:59
  Words, painting words, painting words.
• 1:26:03
  Let's call this a day. I got AP.
• 1:26:05
  Let's call this a show. It's whatever We call it a show.
• 1:26:07
  It's usually because I have to pee, ladies.
• 1:26:09
  Well, I'm just saying. Today we didn't.
• 1:26:11
  Prepare a top 11 list today. So we're.
• 1:26:12
  Just going to leave you hanging. Oh man, go ahead.
• 1:26:16
  No Top 11 list today. What I didn't have, I didn't do
• 1:26:21
  one. We didn't talk about it.
• 1:26:22
  It was, you know, we just didn't do it.
• 1:26:24
  I thought your reason, I don't know why, pop in with a surprise
• 1:26:28
  or something. No, I didn't.
• 1:26:33
  I just, I mean, we talked about it a couple weeks ago about all
• 1:26:35
  these different ones that related to to music and stuff,
• 1:26:38
  but we just, for whatever reason, it dawned on me like, oh
• 1:26:40
  shit, we didn't do one. I'm.
• 1:26:41
  Going to red flag this show as you know the one without the top
• 1:26:44
  11 list. And without the top 11, you
• 1:26:49
  know, I mean, we could go, we could go top 11, our favorite
• 1:26:52
  Nemesis songs, you know, But that would be kind of hard, you
• 1:26:56
  know? No, they don't have to be in any
• 1:26:59
  specific order. Yeah, yeah, this is true.
• 1:27:03
  So you got to have listen to your sin.
• 1:27:07
  Nothing, man. Freeman.
• 1:27:12
  Intervention. Intervention obviously is in
• 1:27:13
  there in the top 11, you know. I don't know why.
• 1:27:18
  I fucking. I can't, dude.
• 1:27:19
  There's even white out on this. There's white out on this
• 1:27:22
  fucking thing. I you can't see that.
• 1:27:23
  But there's white out on it. I'll scan this and put it on the
• 1:27:26
  page. I don't know why, absolutely.
• 1:27:30
  Vision. Vision.
• 1:27:34
  I love the vision. Yeah.
• 1:27:35
  And I don't know. I don't know the name of this
• 1:27:38
  song. But alone I sit.
• 1:27:39
  My sorrow was spent. But it's, you know, it's a cool
• 1:27:42
  song. What else we fucking got?
• 1:27:49
  Let's see. Window of hell, Freeman.
• 1:27:54
  Nothing, man. Vision.
• 1:27:58
  Never again. I don't know why.
• 1:28:04
  That's a fucking good song too, man.
• 1:28:08
  I like the the thing I like about.
• 1:28:09
  I don't know why I like. I like the melody they came up
• 1:28:12
  with because it's so catchy. It was.
• 1:28:14
  And sinful evolved into nothing. Man, it took it.
• 1:28:17
  It took its own little thing. One of our later, later songs,
• 1:28:24
  Americans, I want to be, I want to be.
• 1:28:26
  I want to be an American. It's a more government.
• 1:28:29
  I don't remember. I don't really remember that one
• 1:28:31
  too much, but I know it was something we were working on.
• 1:28:39
  There's so many, dude. Yeah, Alex.
• 1:28:47
  Alex away I got to find. Remember that one?
• 1:28:50
  I got to find a way to make it through another goddamn day.
• 1:28:54
  To. Make it through.
• 1:28:57
  Make it through another day. See the photos on the TV screen?
• 1:29:03
  Anchorman talking about the obscene. 2 little kids lost
• 1:29:07
  their way. Man in the mass took them away.
• 1:29:10
  I got to find a way to make it through another goddamn day.
• 1:29:15
  I think it's pretty evident that we were broke and times were
• 1:29:18
  tough. Yeah, read the news about the
• 1:29:25
  master plan. Took his shots.
• 1:29:27
  Erase the man. City of fear.
• 1:29:30
  No one, no time to pray. Man with a gun.
• 1:29:34
  Got to, got to take him away. Got to find a way to make it
• 1:29:38
  through. And a God damn day.
• 1:29:40
  I remember that course. And I'm not a big believer in
• 1:29:43
  saying, yeah, I'm not a big believer in saying God damn.
• 1:29:46
  Because I've always been taught that it's, it's taking the
• 1:29:48
  Lord's name in vain, but it just, it calls for it, but it
• 1:29:54
  calls for it. Certain things just call for it.
• 1:29:56
  You know, it's it's and it's not.
• 1:29:59
  It's not out of anything other than just it kind of calls for
• 1:30:03
  it. You know, some things just have
• 1:30:05
  to be said a certain way for them to have the impact that you
• 1:30:08
  want them to have. Yes.
• 1:30:10
  You know, yeah, So, so, yeah, so I don't know that's, you know,
• 1:30:17
  that's what I got for the day. That's.
• 1:30:20
  What? I got mighty fine job on the
• 1:30:25
  YouTube page, so for those of you who don't know.
• 1:30:29
  Oh yes, boys and girls. New YouTube page that I'll let
• 1:30:32
  Chris tout because he did a fantastic job on it.
• 1:30:35
  I love it looks very professional so all the boys and
• 1:30:39
  girls about the. YouTube page.
• 1:30:40
  It's it's at Chris and it's at Chris and Mike's show on
• 1:30:45
  YouTube. Just go search at Chris and
• 1:30:46
  Mike's show. We'll pop up.
• 1:30:47
  You'll see our fun little caricature that I had created
• 1:30:53
  and all the videos are on there. I'm gonna been uploading some
• 1:30:56
  shorts. So after the shows, MM puts the
• 1:30:59
  episode together and then he does a couple of little shorts.
• 1:31:02
  So you'll see those pop up. You know, we do have I think 8
• 1:31:06
  subscribers now, which is cool, yeah.
• 1:31:08
  So go subscribe to that, like some videos, things like that,
• 1:31:13
  you know? And you can release.
• 1:31:15
  Episode 14 at YouTube. That's it.
• 1:31:19
  Yes, I'll do that. I'll do that.
• 1:31:23
  So yeah, there you go. It's, it's at Chris and Mike
• 1:31:26
  Show on YouTube. There's there's another Chris
• 1:31:27
  and Mike show, but they're not as cool as us and they haven't
• 1:31:29
  done anything for several years. It's two dads, I think, doing
• 1:31:32
  something for their kids, which is cool, but it's they're not as
• 1:31:36
  cool as we are because. And we're here every week.
• 1:31:39
  Hey, it's me. It's Chris.
• 1:31:40
  And that's the guitar. And that's the guitar guy.
• 1:31:42
  So there you go. All right.
• 1:31:45
  So I'm going to go. I really got to pee.
• 1:31:48
  So boys and girls, thank you for listening to us today.
• 1:31:50
  Remember, you're not alone. So you're struggling.
• 1:31:54
  Get out of your head and go find somebody to talk to you,
• 1:31:56
  regardless of who it is. And next time that we have our
• 1:31:59
  show, I will have eclipsed my 19 years sober.
• 1:32:02
  Congratulations, your chip. Every year I thank you.
• 1:32:06
  Every year I get a new chip. I give the old chip the previous
• 1:32:09
  year's chip to Nikki. So that's why I have my 19 year
• 1:32:12
  chip, because it came earlier than it was supposed to.
• 1:32:15
  So she has my 18 year. Now I have my 19.
• 1:32:17
  Year. So there you go.
• 1:32:18
  Congratulations. That's amazing.
• 1:32:20
  Without any bouge, man. It is amazing.
• 1:32:24
  Thank you, Michael. Thank you very much.
• 1:32:25
  Love you. Love you, love.
• 1:32:27
  You brother. Anything else you want to add?
• 1:32:30
  That's it. Love you too, man.
• 1:32:32
  It's always a blast. It's always fun talking to you.
• 1:32:34
  I enjoy it. I enjoy it.
• 1:32:35
  All the friends out there, thank you for listening.
• 1:32:37
  I keep telling Jake, Oh yeah, And I found this thing that I
• 1:32:41
  found this thing I'm not going to read on the air because it'll
• 1:32:43
  embarrass him. But in my notebook, I found this
• 1:32:45
  note that Jake wrote to mom and dad August 15th, 2008.
• 1:32:50
  So I'm going to share that with him.
• 1:32:53
  I'm like, holy shit, it's in my lyric books because I I stole
• 1:32:56
  his booklet, man. I stole his book and I started
• 1:32:58
  writing fucking songs in it like some reason.
• 1:33:02
  Either he or either that or he took it and then I used it for
• 1:33:05
  lyrics, man. Did I tell you?
• 1:33:07
  I reached out to. About lyrics This man, we'll
• 1:33:09
  fucking grab anything. No.
• 1:33:13
  OK, so real quick, here's my conversation, I said.
• 1:33:16
  Do tell. I said, hey, Jake, hope you made
• 1:33:20
  it back safely, which was my major concern.
• 1:33:23
  I said our Japanese contingent is still at 1%.
• 1:33:29
  You're supposed to be spreading the word of the Chris and Mike
• 1:33:31
  show over there. Don't let me down, Maureen.
• 1:33:34
  So his response was. Hey.
• 1:33:37
  Thanks for reaching out or or thanks for getting a hold of me
• 1:33:40
  or something. Good to hear from you brother.
• 1:33:43
  I told him he was welcome back on the pod, you know welcome on
• 1:33:46
  the podcast. So he said that he's currently
• 1:33:50
  making us legendary, I think was his word over over there.
• 1:33:54
  So I expect to see a surge in the numbers if he's listening to
• 1:33:59
  this. So far I have not seen that
• 1:34:01
  surge. There you go.
• 1:34:02
  Don't let me down, Maureen. Yeah, I'll poke at him again.
• 1:34:05
  I'll remind him. I'll remind him.
• 1:34:07
  I told me the other day, man. I told me the other day, like,
• 1:34:10
  subscribe to my YouTube channel, son.
• 1:34:11
  Like, come on, man. All right.
• 1:34:12
  But seriously, I have to pee. I'm going to pee my pants.
• 1:34:14
  So right on, girls. This is the lead singer stepping
• 1:34:17
  Exit. Stage left.
• 1:34:18
  Peace. We'll see ya.
• 1:34:20
  We're out. Let me up.
• 1:35:13
  The None.