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Speaker 1: Kid, he's the Report.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm James Macpherson.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight. A senior labor minister insists the government
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be too heavy handed in its response to antisemitism,
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Speaker 2: just weeks after a synagogue was firebombed. Alex Ritchan joins
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Speaker 2: me shortly. Also tonight, the Melbourne street sweeper who cleaned
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Speaker 2: up a woke council has decided to put a broom
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Speaker 2: through Canberra Rowan Deane will join me to talk about
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Speaker 2: a schoolgirl punished for wearing her national flag and Quantuslink
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Speaker 2: pilots offered counseling after being told they need to get
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Speaker 2: rid of their facial hair. My panel are going to
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Speaker 2: have fun with that one. But first, Anthony Albaneze has
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Speaker 2: convinced his visit to China is already a roaring success.
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Speaker 2: Not because the Chinese have promised to never again stage
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Speaker 2: live FI ring exercises off Sydney. They haven't. And not
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Speaker 2: because the Chinese have promised to release Australian writer Yanghanguan. Nope,
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Speaker 2: he's still behind bars. But seriously, the visit is going really,
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Speaker 2: really really well. Not because the Chinese have said they're
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Speaker 2: happy to hand back the Port of Darwin. Quite the opposite,
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Speaker 2: and not because the Chinese are okay about us having
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Speaker 2: a few more submarines.
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Speaker 1: They're not.
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Speaker 2: But hey, none of that means the Chinese don't respect us.
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Speaker 2: He is the PM, flushed with success, explaining just why
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Speaker 2: the trip is going so very well.
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Speaker 3: The fact that President she didn't just have a meeting,
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Speaker 3: but we had a lunch where presidents she as well
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Speaker 3: invited Jody to attend that lunch was a sign of
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Speaker 3: respect to Australia, to our country.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, Jody was invited to lunch. Nothing
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Speaker 2: screams diplomatic triumph quite like an invitation for the PM
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Speaker 2: plus one to nibble on dumplings with the leader of
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Speaker 2: the CCP. By the way, I'm glad the PM has
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Speaker 2: his fiancee with him, and I'm glad she's at lunch.
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Speaker 2: But if Chairman g paying for spring rolls is now
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Speaker 2: the benchmark for international respect, then wear one chopstick away
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Speaker 2: from becoming a client state. But with really good catering.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being too harsh, After all, there was dinner
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: Just as the dinner last night that was attended by
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Speaker 3: all of the businesspeople leaders from Australia as well as
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Speaker 3: business leaders here in China was a wonderful event.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, if you're looking to convince those of us at
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Speaker 2: home already skeptical that the CCP respect our leader rather
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Speaker 2: than regard him as a useful idiot in their strategy
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Speaker 2: to wedge the USA, we need something better than lunch
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Speaker 2: with Jody and a wonderful dinner with Tiggy Forest in attendance,
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Speaker 2: Low Anthony Albinezer to bring it home with the pistia
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Speaker 2: resistance of foreign policy achievements. A Chinese military band playing
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Speaker 2: Paul Kelly covers.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say.
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Speaker 3: That the band there in the Great Hall played a
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Speaker 3: different version of Paul Kelly's to Her Door, of Midnight,
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Speaker 3: Earl's Power and the passion of a range.
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Speaker 1: Of songs as well.
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Speaker 3: That obviously took them a long period of time. And
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Speaker 3: those gestures matter, respect matters between countries, and I think
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Speaker 3: I took that as being a very warm gesture indeed,
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Speaker 3: and they did.
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Speaker 4: It very well.
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Speaker 2: You give us support of Darwin and we'll give you
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Speaker 2: a Paul Kelly rendition is hardly a diplomatic win. By
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Speaker 2: the way, I'm not so sure that the band playing
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Speaker 2: Midnight Oil's The Power and the Passion was a gesture
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Speaker 2: of respect so much as the Chinese taking the mickey
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Speaker 2: out of our PM. You can't tell me there weren't
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Speaker 2: smiles all round from those sitting at Jijingping's table when
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Speaker 2: they got to the song's climax. If the CCP had
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Speaker 2: tossed Elbow or fortune Cookie that said you will be played,
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Speaker 2: it couldn't have been clearer. Speaking of things that couldn't
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Speaker 2: be clearer, Ji's top advisor politely but firmly reminded Elbow
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Speaker 2: to be nice to Chinese companies in Australia, especially the
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Speaker 2: major ones, you know leasing strategic assets, like say, I
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Speaker 2: don't know the Port of Darwin. China's Premier Li Kwong
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Speaker 2: told our PM, and I quote, we hope that the
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Speaker 2: Australian side will treat Chinese enterprises visiting Australia fairly and properly,
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Speaker 2: solve the problems encountered by enterprises in market access, investment
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Speaker 2: review and other aspects. In other words, leave the Port
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Speaker 2: of Darwin under Chinese control, or JODI's not invited to
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Speaker 2: lunch next time. Chinese newspaper The Global Times didn't miss
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Speaker 2: the reference. They wrote they quote at present, there are
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Speaker 2: specific issues between China and Australia that need to be discussed,
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Speaker 2: such as the lease of Darwin Port. This was the
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Speaker 2: issue our PM promised to bring up, but only if
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Speaker 2: the Chinese brought it up first, if.
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Speaker 3: It raised our positions very clear, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 3: the presidents are very clear and is knowledgeable of that.
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Speaker 2: And then our Prime Minister got terribly defensive when asked
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Speaker 2: why it wasn't brought up, you know, before lunch or
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Speaker 2: dinner or midnight oil covers?
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Speaker 5: Did the President express any objection to your plans about
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Speaker 5: bringing the Port of Darwin back into Australian hands or
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Speaker 5: any potential response that China might take to that.
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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Rose.
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Speaker 6: You didn't use the opportunity meeting him to explain your
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Speaker 6: policy on that.
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Speaker 2: I don't need to know.
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Speaker 3: I've had the same position for a decade.
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Speaker 2: H How does that midnight oil song go again? Better
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Speaker 2: to die on your feet than to live on your knees, unless,
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Speaker 2: of course, you're in China, in which case past the dumplings,
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Speaker 2: turn up the cover band and don't mention the port
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Speaker 2: or anything else.
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Speaker 1: Got it?
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Speaker 2: Now, dumpling, let's get straight into the power and the
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Speaker 2: passion with my panel forming New South Wales Labor Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Michael,
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Speaker 2: am I being too hard on the PM. I mean
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Speaker 2: it was nice of the CCP to play and covers
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Speaker 2: of an Australian band protesting authoritarianism.
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Speaker 7: I think you've been very weak on him. I thought
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Speaker 7: that was a pathetic analysis. Look, the timing of this
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Speaker 7: was appalling. I mean, you know, I have no problem
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Speaker 7: with you Prime Minister meeting our trading parts and our
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Speaker 7: largest trading partner, but the timing is the key here.
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Speaker 7: We've got our key defense relationship under review and this
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Speaker 7: blokes over there talking about, as you rightly said, dim
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Speaker 7: sims and what was on the menu, and you know
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Speaker 7: how nice they were to let him sit down to dinner.
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Speaker 7: I mean the fact of the matter is all of
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Speaker 7: the key issues that we need to be worried about
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Speaker 7: are still on the table. I mean, if we lose
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Speaker 7: our nuclear submarines and the relationship with the Americans is
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Speaker 7: undermined because of our lack of commitment, we have real
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Speaker 7: troubles in this country. We can't defend ourselves, and I
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Speaker 7: found it extraordinary that these issues were not really raised.
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Speaker 7: I mean, let's remember, China is supporting our enemies across
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Speaker 7: the globe, including ones that we're helping to support. Ukraine.
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Speaker 7: China is the key funder of the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
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Speaker 7: and we know that and we're supporting Ukraine. Yet the
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Speaker 7: confused messages we're getting from Albo is absolutely pathetic. The
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Speaker 7: Chinese trade with us because it's in their interest. The
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Speaker 7: Chinese economy's facing problems at the moment. The iron ore
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Speaker 7: price is going down, and in fact, our terms are
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Speaker 7: trade with China are getting worse, not better, and he
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Speaker 7: is undermining our relationship with the Americans. I find this
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Speaker 7: quite extraordinary. The timing is everything, and the timing is
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Speaker 7: really bad.
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Speaker 2: James Ashby, do you think the Chinese respect the PM
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Speaker 2: or are they playing him?
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Speaker 1: You're certainly playing him, that's for sure.
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Speaker 8: The golden haired boy or what's their official term, a
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Speaker 8: handsome man, handsome boy, hands and ondearing terms there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're an insult, that's what they are.
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Speaker 8: And I've spoken of plenty of Chinese who are conservative,
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Speaker 8: who will never go back to China and they've all
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Speaker 8: said the same thing.
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Speaker 1: They've said it is a pure insult.
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Speaker 8: I'm still trying to work out whether he and Jardi elopes,
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Speaker 8: because this seems to be more of a opportunity for
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Speaker 8: them to go and travel around China than what it
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Speaker 8: is to build relationships.
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Speaker 1: I've seen sales reps do a better job on the road.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 8: They go and meet their clients once every six months,
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Speaker 8: taken de lunche or dinner, just to make sure the
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Speaker 8: relationship's fine, and then toddle off back home with a
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Speaker 8: fresh contract.
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Speaker 1: That's how this feels. I don't think anything's really been achieved.
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Speaker 2: All right, well let's leave elbow in China and come
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Speaker 2: back home to Australia. Gentlemen, do you remember this?
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Speaker 8: There will be no carbon tax under the government high lead.
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Speaker 2: And then, of course, having won the election, Julia Gillard
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Speaker 2: came out with this.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
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Speaker 8: Get hung up on word games about how you describe
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Speaker 8: various pricing mechanisms, and I've been very upfront with people.
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Speaker 2: With a fixed price, it's effectively like a tax. Now
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Speaker 2: we all know Tony Abbott won the next election by
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Speaker 2: scrapping the carbon tax. But guess what mining giant Rio
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Speaker 2: Tinto is urging labor to reimpose it. Michael. The call
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Speaker 2: for a carbon tax is part of Rio Tinto's submission
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Speaker 2: to the Productivity Commission. Help me understand how an economy
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Speaker 2: wide tax aids and assists productivity.
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Speaker 7: It only assists that if you've got something worse, and
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Speaker 7: you know what, we've got worse taxes all over the
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Speaker 7: place that are not consistent subsidies going to you know,
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Speaker 7: the doomsday cult that underpins all of this, and riotendo
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Speaker 7: causes one of those companies that's claiming it's making a
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Speaker 7: transition to growing energy, whatever that is, and they're they're
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Speaker 7: like everybody else. They're rent seekers, grifters looking for subsidies.
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Speaker 7: You know, the carbon tax when it's compared and I
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Speaker 7: didn't support the carbon tax, but the carbon tax when
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Speaker 7: it's compared to the rag bag of taxes and incentives
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Speaker 7: and subsidies and everything else that's going on at the moment,
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Speaker 7: you know, could seem to be in Havana compared to
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Speaker 7: the mess we've got ourselves in. And you know who's
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Speaker 7: paying for that mess, to domestic power consumer. So look,
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Speaker 7: they're grifters in this industry. They're part of the doomsday cult.
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Speaker 7: Nothing surprise.
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Speaker 2: Gee, when things are so bad, you're telling me the
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Speaker 2: carbon tax looks like it's a good thing. We're in
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Speaker 2: real trouble, James. At the same time that Rio Tinto
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Speaker 2: are asking for a carbon tax on all Australians, they're
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Speaker 2: calling for increased government subsidies for renewable energy companies such
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Speaker 2: as you know themselves.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's right they are. They're looking for massive, big,
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Speaker 8: billion dollar handouts. Not million dollar handouts, billion dollar handouts.
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Speaker 8: These are something that mum and dad businesses would dearly
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Speaker 8: loved from government, but they get no support. The reality
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Speaker 8: is we lost the carbon tax, then we got the
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Speaker 8: safeguard mechanism which they're included in one hundred thousand tons
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Speaker 8: of carbon dioxide, which every year that limit goes down
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Speaker 8: before they start having to buy carbon credits. You know
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Speaker 8: what this productivity round table discussion has brought about is
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Speaker 8: one common denominator. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about
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Speaker 8: the Business Council of Australia or you know, small business,
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Speaker 8: large business in general, they're all saying that net zero
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Speaker 8: is hurting them because everyone's come up with these hairbrain
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Speaker 8: schemes that haven't worked very well. They've cost the economy.
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Speaker 8: Everybody has seen price increases. Why is that because we
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Speaker 8: are being charged through one mechanism or another, through these subsidies,
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Speaker 8: through safeguard mechanisms, carbon taxes, carbon credits, all these things
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Speaker 8: are being added to the weekly grocery bill, our power bills,
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Speaker 8: in every part of daily life. And that is what
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Speaker 8: has come out of this productivity review. But what has
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Speaker 8: nobody said other than one nation, let's scrap net zero.
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Speaker 8: That would just do away with all these hassles that
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Speaker 8: everyone's talking about, and we'd just be like China. We'd
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Speaker 8: be able to get on with business, get rid of
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Speaker 8: half of the red tape that we've had imposed on us.
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Speaker 8: But no one's talking about that. Just one nation get
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Speaker 8: rid of net zero. You say, have a lot of
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Speaker 8: the issues that businesses are struggling with right now, Well.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. The Center for Independent Studies has
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Speaker 2: found in Australia green energy crusade has cost taxpayers twenty
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Speaker 2: nine billion dollars over the past decade. And for what
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Speaker 2: the latest data from the Energy Institute shows we have
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Speaker 2: lowered emissions by six percent. But here's the part I love.
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Speaker 2: While We've reduced our missions by twenty two point six
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Speaker 2: million tons. China's increased its emissions by one nine hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy million tons. Michael I got to ask, would
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Speaker 2: you say that twenty nine billion dollars we've spent subsidizing
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Speaker 2: green energy has been money well spent?
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Speaker 7: Of course it hasn't. But I think it's more than
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Speaker 7: that because you haven't well, that study didn't include all
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Speaker 7: the indirect costs, you know, the increasive just general consumer
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Speaker 7: cares to everybody, So it's I think it's probably a
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Speaker 7: factor of at least three times higher than that when
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Speaker 7: you look at the overall costs. And that also doesn't
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Speaker 7: include the impact on the economy in terms of productivity,
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Speaker 7: in our declining productivity, so it hasn't included those dead
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Speaker 7: weight costs. So look, I think it's more than that.
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Speaker 7: But it's good that it's out there to show that
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Speaker 7: you know, there is a cost to this climate madness,
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Speaker 7: and that cost is being born. The problem we all
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Speaker 7: face is that doesn't matter what Australia does, doesn't matter
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Speaker 7: what any of the development countries do. It's not just China,
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Speaker 7: it's India, it's all the developing well they've got a
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Speaker 7: right to increase their industrial base. We did it, and
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Speaker 7: here we are moralizing to them that they can't do it.
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Speaker 7: And more importantly, we're being taken for a ride at
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Speaker 7: these climate conferences that we've got to subsidize their development,
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Speaker 7: and then they use that to compete against our own industries,
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Speaker 7: and in China's case, they actually use it to build
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Speaker 7: up their military against us. So the whole thing's a
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Speaker 7: disaster for the West and we do need to review it.
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Speaker 2: You may have seen the tale of Sean Turner, the
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Speaker 2: Melbourne street sweeper who was sacked when he dared to
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Speaker 2: ask why an acknowledgment of country was being performed for
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Speaker 2: a group of blokes with brooms. Well, in a plot
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Speaker 2: twist no diversity consultant ever saw coming. Turner is now
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Speaker 2: considering a run for parliament, James. If nothing else, at
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Speaker 2: least this guy knows how to spot rubbish when he
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Speaker 2: sees that he might do quite well in Canberra.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, we need to clean out some of that parliament too,
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Speaker 8: So maybe he's the ideal person.
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Speaker 1: He certainly lives in the real world.
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Speaker 8: As he said, I took on a job as a
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Speaker 8: street sweeper, not somebody that recites the Welcome to countries
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Speaker 8: every day when he goes to work, so he'd fit
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Speaker 8: in really well with One Nation.
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Speaker 1: I think he's had enough of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 8: I did note his comments in today's paper that he
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Speaker 8: wasn't impressed with Susan Lee, who did the welcome to
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Speaker 8: country in one of the more recent addresses to the
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Speaker 8: press club. So I'd welcome a phone call from him
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Speaker 8: any day. Victoria needs more common sense people, and by
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Speaker 8: the sounds of it, he listens to the grasspreads people
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Speaker 8: of that state.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. He's got options. He's been touted
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Speaker 2: live on air by One Nation before I let you go,
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa, any advice for Sean the street sweeper as
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Speaker 2: he embarks on a career in politics.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, My advice for Room is to stay streets relieving.
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Speaker 7: At least that's an honest profession that adds some value
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Speaker 7: to the country. Finding camera is just, you know, a
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Speaker 7: dead end.
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa and James Ashby, appreciate your time. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: Labor MP ed Husick has warned that we shouldn't be
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Speaker 2: too heavy handed in our response to anti semitism. Here
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Speaker 2: he was on ABC Radio this morning, warning the government
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Speaker 2: to tread carefully before adopting any part of Gillian Siegel's
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism plan.
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Speaker 4: I would be very careful. I would much prefer us
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Speaker 4: finding ways to bring people together rather than being heavy
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Speaker 4: handed in response.
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Speaker 2: Well, given that we recently had a synagogue set on
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Speaker 2: fire while people were inside, I'm curious to learn just
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Speaker 2: how careful the response should be. Sure, a man allegedly
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Speaker 2: fire bombed a synagogue in East Melbourne a few weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: and someone else did the same thing at the Adess
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Speaker 2: Nagogue in December, but let's not overreact. After all, we
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Speaker 2: wouldn't want anyone to get hurt. I like Ed Who's
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Speaker 2: siks idea of bringing people together, although I'd caution him
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Speaker 2: not to try in a synagogue flammable. Those things more
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Speaker 2: kumbay are less crackdown is charming unless you happen to
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Speaker 2: be one of the people in the building they're setting
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Speaker 2: fire to. In that case, you might prefer something a
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Speaker 2: little more heavy handed. The Labor MP's response to the
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism Report was as predictable as it was lame.
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Speaker 2: You couldn't even address the recommendations in the report before
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Speaker 2: first pointing out that Islamophobia. Well, that's a problem too. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: I thought we were past all of that, but apparently not.
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Speaker 4: The issue of hate and fear confronting Jewish and Muslim
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Speaker 4: astrains is predated October seventh and not being particularly focused
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Speaker 4: on both anti Semitism and Islamophobia. For example, in the
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Speaker 4: Aftermath of christ Church and the Rise of a far
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Speaker 4: right and far right extremism.
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Speaker 2: Textbook, what about a reminding everyone that while Jews in
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Speaker 2: Australia are currently being terrorized, six years ago Muslims were
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Speaker 2: attacked in another country. Asked what he thought about the
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Speaker 2: government adopting recommendations in the report he is how ed,
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Speaker 2: Huseik replied.
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Speaker 4: I'd be so we're going through it right, I'd get
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Speaker 4: careful about at this early stage us taking positions straight
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Speaker 4: away on this. Let's take the time to think it through.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot of thoughts put into.
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Speaker 2: It this early stage. Australian Jews have been targeted in
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Speaker 2: the streets, in their homes, in their workplaces, and in
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Speaker 2: their synagogues since October seven, twenty twenty three, but hey,
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Speaker 2: the government hasn't been in a rush to do much
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Speaker 2: of anything about it, so yeah, why be in a
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Speaker 2: hurry now? Joining me is Executive Council of Australian Jury
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Speaker 2: CEO or co CEO. I should say, Alex Ritchin, Alex,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. Ed Husik specifically criticized on antisemitism
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Speaker 2: on a couple of levels. I want to run them
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Speaker 2: by you first, he said, the statement that there's a
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Speaker 2: rise in antisemitism among young Australians is not true. Young
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Speaker 2: people are just generally moved by what they're seeing in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. How do you respond to that.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, he's just dead wrong and look ed who's
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Speaker 5: sick and put forward his opinions in his commentary. But
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Speaker 5: he's not entitled to invent his own facts. And the
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Speaker 5: statement by Jillian Siegel and her report about antisemitism being
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Speaker 5: at risk of becoming particularly entrenched among younger Australians, it's
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Speaker 5: not based on nothing. It's not based on speculation. It's
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Speaker 5: based on hard data and research that the Special Envoys
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Speaker 5: Office conducted and also the ADL on the United States
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Speaker 5: has shown that the generation under thirty five, up to
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Speaker 5: forty percent of them, hold a series of antisemitic conspiracy
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Speaker 5: theories and views and stereotypes. So this is based on hard,
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Speaker 5: empirical data, and it's not surprising when you look at
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Speaker 5: that generation. That age group raised almost exclusively on social
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Speaker 5: media as the means of gathering information and forming opinions
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Speaker 5: on topical issues, and social media for the most part,
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Speaker 5: is a sewer on these things. So there's no surprise here.
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Speaker 5: And why at Husick would seek to challenge that aspect
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Speaker 5: of the report, it's really beyond me. And I found
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Speaker 5: much of what he said quite manipulative because he's trying
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Speaker 5: to take the moral high ground. He's trying to present
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Speaker 5: himself as a unifier, but really what he's doing is,
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Speaker 5: in subtle ways, he's undermining the credibility of the report
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Speaker 5: and overall the fight against anti Semitism. When he talks
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Speaker 5: about not being heavy handed, again that panned is to
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Speaker 5: a particular audience. But heavy handed to me is daubing
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Speaker 5: cars with f the Jews and burning synagogues and people's
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Speaker 5: homes and childcare centers and storming restaurants. That to me
20:45
Speaker 5: is heavy handed. And now the response to combating anti
20:48
Speaker 5: Semitism and presented by Jillian Siege on her report is
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Speaker 5: anything but heavy handed. It's thought through, its comprehensive education
20:56
Speaker 5: is at the very hard and soul of that plan.
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Speaker 5: So I really reject what he said, and I think
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Speaker 5: we need to question his motivation for saying those things.
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Speaker 2: He also said he didn't agree that university funding, for instance,
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Speaker 2: should be threatened if they platformed anti semitism. He said
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Speaker 2: he didn't like the big stick approach.
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Speaker 5: Well, again, that's a distortion of what the report says,
21:21
Speaker 5: and there have been so many distortions and mistruths and
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Speaker 5: outright wives because those who are seeking to undermine the
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Speaker 5: report of the same ones who are seeking to undermine
21:32
Speaker 5: the fighting against anti semitism generally. Now, Gillian Siegel, who
21:36
Speaker 5: was appointed by the government, doesn't have the power in
21:38
Speaker 5: order she seek the power to defund universities. But what
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Speaker 5: she's seeking to do is to engage with the universities
21:45
Speaker 5: to propose better policies to address anti semitism, and then
21:49
Speaker 5: to judge them on that basis. How are they actually
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Speaker 5: combating this threat a situation in which Jewish students and
21:55
Speaker 5: academics were frequently told to stay off campus because their
21:58
Speaker 5: safety could not be ensured. So no one's talking about
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Speaker 5: defunding organizations. But we need to understand the public institutions
22:05
Speaker 5: that receive public funds, whether they be charities, religious groups, broadcasters, universities,
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Speaker 5: they have a special duty. They have a statutory duty
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Speaker 5: to behave in a certain fashion. And if they're purveyors
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Speaker 5: of hatred, if they're entrenching this problem and not doing
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Speaker 5: anything to combat it, then there need to be consequences
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Speaker 5: levied against them. But again, the way that ed Cusick
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Speaker 5: has sought to characterize it is not about holding institutions
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Speaker 5: to account and seeking to stamp out antisemitism where it
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Speaker 5: is most pervasive. But to him, it's about an aggressive,
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Speaker 5: heavy handed, confrontational way. If he can think of a
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Speaker 5: better way to root out this problem, I think he
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Speaker 5: should offer it.
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Speaker 2: Just one more thing, Edhusick took issue that there was
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Speaker 2: any need at all to define anti semitism just quickly,
22:50
Speaker 2: Is he right about that? Or does antisemitism need to
22:53
Speaker 2: be defined? Talk me through that just quickly.
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Speaker 5: Look, it needs to be defined. I mean, it's common
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Speaker 5: sense that we're trying to a problem. It helps to
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Speaker 5: understand what that problem is. But anti Semitism, as we understand,
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Speaker 5: is a unique form of hatred in the sense that
23:07
Speaker 5: it shifts over time, in the way that it presents,
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Speaker 5: it targets the Jewish religion, the Jews is a racial group,
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Speaker 5: an ethnic group, and as a state. And the definition
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Speaker 5: that Gillian Siegles proposed, which is uncontroversial Tohira definition of
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Speaker 5: anti Semitism. It makes clear that if you criticize Israel
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Speaker 5: in the way that you would other countries, that cannot
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Speaker 5: be deemed antisemitic. But if you take classic antisemitic characterizations
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Speaker 5: of Jews bloodthirsty, malevolent, all powerful, all controlling, and merely
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Speaker 5: shifted to ZIONUS or Israel, it removes that cloak and
23:39
Speaker 5: that veneer of legitimacy, and it reveals it for what
23:41
Speaker 5: it is. So people who want to genuinely criticize Israeli
23:45
Speaker 5: policy and politicians, as that Husik has done, should welcome
23:49
Speaker 5: this decision because it draws that very clear distinction between
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Speaker 5: legitimate criticism and something far more malevolent, which is antisemitism.
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Speaker 2: Alex Richin, So as a joy to talk to you.
24:00
Speaker 2: Thanks for being with manager Well coming up after the
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Speaker 2: break the Epstein file saga continues to divide the Republican Party,
24:07
Speaker 2: but one high ranking Republican has decided to break away
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Speaker 2: from Donald Trump on the subject Koshergada will bring us
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Speaker 2: the details, plus the twelve year old girl who was
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Speaker 2: barred from a cultural event at her school for wearing
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Speaker 2: the national flag. I can't wait to hear what Rowan
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Speaker 2: Dean has to say on that. Next Welcome back to
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Speaker 2: the program. Well, I've got to tell you about a
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Speaker 2: school in the UK that last week hosted what they
24:33
Speaker 2: called Culture Day. Kids are invited to wear their family's
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Speaker 2: national dress and make a speech about the culture of
24:39
Speaker 2: their family came from. Sounds very inclusive, doesn't it. So
24:44
Speaker 2: twelve year old Courtney Wright arrived at school wearing a
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Speaker 2: union jack and armed with a speech she prepared about
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Speaker 2: how great it is to be a brit Well, she
24:53
Speaker 2: was told to get changed and her father was called
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Speaker 2: to come and pick her up. Culture Day wasn't for
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Speaker 2: her culture.
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Speaker 9: The first teacher I saw she straight away just took
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Speaker 9: me to go get changed. She didn't want to hear
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Speaker 9: about my dress or see it. Another teacher try to
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Speaker 9: stop me and said you can't be in that it's
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Speaker 9: your nationality and not your culture. They asked me to
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Speaker 9: come with them and to change into second hand school uniform.
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Speaker 9: They said that I didn't sign a form when the
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Speaker 9: head of you did bring my mom and she said
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Speaker 9: she did sign it, yet they still didn't want.
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Speaker 2: Me to wear it. Now. Of course, when this story
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Speaker 2: hit the media, the school apologized and promised more staff training,
25:36
Speaker 2: presumably and how to spot and suppressed patriotism before it
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Speaker 2: infects the student body. Let's bring in Scott and news
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Speaker 2: host Rowan. Dean Rowan, I was going to ask, can
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Speaker 2: you believe this? But sadly it's all too believable.
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Speaker 10: Well, it is, James, But this is the end result
25:53
Speaker 10: of a five decades long project the hard left in
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Speaker 10: Australia and America, in Britain, in New Zealand, throughout the
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Speaker 10: anglosphere to delegitimize Anglo culture. And there was a telling
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Speaker 10: phrase that the young girl used there where she said
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Speaker 10: that the flag, the union jack represented her nationality, but
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Speaker 10: not her culture. And this is what the teacher told
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Speaker 10: the girl. You can't wear a union jack because that's
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Speaker 10: your nationality, not your culture. And so there's this idea
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Speaker 10: that any celebration of Anglo culture in whatever guise is racist.
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Speaker 10: And the word racist is the most poisonous word in
26:34
Speaker 10: the English language. It has been weaponized to a kind
26:37
Speaker 10: of nuclear degree where any suggestion that you celebrate Englishness, australianness,
26:45
Speaker 10: americanness is automatically conflated with colonialism, which is now the
26:51
Speaker 10: great sin in the in the Western academia and Western education.
26:56
Speaker 10: And therefore any celebration of Anglo Anglo culture is racist
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Speaker 10: and therefore colonial men and therefore bad. And what is
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Speaker 10: so depressing, James, is that when you think of what
27:07
Speaker 10: the English culture has brought to the world, I mean,
27:11
Speaker 10: it is beyond something worth celebrating. It is astonishing. England,
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Speaker 10: back in the twelve hundreds was this little island off
27:19
Speaker 10: way off the coast of Europe, a few Robert barons
27:23
Speaker 10: and people wandering around. It has grown over over a
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Speaker 10: few hundred years to be one of the great and
27:28
Speaker 10: most amazing cultures on the planet. We celebrate Chinese culture,
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Speaker 10: we celebrate all sorts of cultures from all around the world.
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Speaker 10: But the Anglo culture has given so much, and yet
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Speaker 10: people are now being told in our schools to be
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Speaker 10: ashamed of it. That is not a genuine, official, realistic,
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Speaker 10: credible culture as such. And the tragedy of this is
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Speaker 10: that children, We've seen this one example, but this happens, James,
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Speaker 10: every day, in every school throughout the so called Anglo sphere.
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Speaker 10: It happens every day in Australian schools. Kids are being
28:05
Speaker 10: taught that the indigenous culture in Australia is more important
28:08
Speaker 10: than the British culture. We are in America, it's something different.
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Speaker 10: In England, it's different again, but always it's the same.
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Speaker 10: You are not permitted to celebrate Anglo culture. And it
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Speaker 10: is so sad to see kids like this, who should
28:25
Speaker 10: be so proud of their culture now ashamed of it.
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Speaker 2: It's an all too familiar story. I want to go
28:33
Speaker 2: to another thing that's made news. Just over the last
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. A federal court judge has rejected a
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Speaker 2: claim by two Torres Strait Islander men that Australia should
28:42
Speaker 2: pay them compensation for climate change. After the decision, one
28:46
Speaker 2: of the men told journalists quote, I thought the decision
28:49
Speaker 2: would be in our favor and I'm in shock. What
28:52
Speaker 2: do any of us say to our families now, Well, Rowan,
28:55
Speaker 2: I would have thought they could say thanks, you know,
28:57
Speaker 2: for electricity and plumbing and automobiles and clothing and medicine.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And the astonishing thing of this court case, Jane,
29:07
Speaker 10: is the reason that these two characters are astonished, is
29:11
Speaker 10: because the judge was so clearly on their side in
29:14
Speaker 10: terms of the climate cult, in terms of this idea
29:18
Speaker 10: that the planet is being ravaged, it's doomsday scenario, climate
29:24
Speaker 10: emissions are killing us all. So the judge is full on.
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Speaker 10: If you read the you know, his summation of the case,
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Speaker 10: he say, oh, it's terrible. What's happening to the torrest
29:36
Speaker 10: Right ISNs. They are the victims of this terrible climate
29:38
Speaker 10: change in Australia hasn't done anything. He then goes into
29:41
Speaker 10: the reason why the Commonwealth needn't pay them any conversations.
29:45
Speaker 10: But the joke is this judge is lock Stock and Barrel,
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Speaker 10: fully on there fully believing that the Torres Right Islands
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Speaker 10: have been completely destroyed to whatever extent by climate change
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Speaker 10: and emissions, and that successive governments haven't done enough to
30:04
Speaker 10: solve those emissions problems. And he goes into the IPCC
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Speaker 10: and all this, and this is really James so scary
30:12
Speaker 10: because when you don't have it, I'm going to label it.
30:14
Speaker 10: I don't think this bloke's very bright, this particular judge,
30:17
Speaker 10: But anyway, that's my opinion. When you have judges putting
30:21
Speaker 10: their own personal dogma or ideology into the law. It
30:27
Speaker 10: can get very tricky. In this case, he didn't award
30:29
Speaker 10: them damages. But what's going to happen further down the
30:32
Speaker 10: track when more and more judges buy into the whole
30:35
Speaker 10: climate agenda and start twisting the law to what is
30:39
Speaker 10: basically an ideology. We sort that in the inquisition back
30:42
Speaker 10: in the dark, dark ages, and that is where we're
30:45
Speaker 10: heading to, where judges believe the climate ideology. In my opinion,
30:51
Speaker 10: this is really dangerous stuff.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And of course I can't understand why they're suing
30:57
Speaker 2: Australia for climate change and not suing want to go
31:01
Speaker 2: to America for a moment. In California has some of
31:04
Speaker 2: the craziest laws in the world when it comes to
31:06
Speaker 2: children and gender identity. Schools aren't required to tell parents
31:10
Speaker 2: their children have started identifying as the opposite gender, and
31:13
Speaker 2: parents who object risk having their children removed by the state.
31:16
Speaker 2: They're sum of California's crazy laws. But maybe common sense
31:21
Speaker 2: is not completely lost. He is California Governor Gavin Newsom
31:25
Speaker 2: talking about gender care for children. Have listen, what.
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Speaker 11: About for your values?
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Speaker 10: I mean, is eight years old too young?
31:32
Speaker 12: Yeah? I mean, look now that I have a nine
31:36
Speaker 12: year old just became nine. Come on, man, I get it.
31:41
Speaker 12: The transisue for me is also novel. It's over the
31:45
Speaker 12: last few years. I'm trying to understand as much as
31:48
Speaker 12: anyone else, whole pronoun thing, try and understand all of that. Well,
31:53
Speaker 12: you know that was like the hell, I mean, all
31:55
Speaker 12: that stuff, I get it roll.
31:57
Speaker 2: And there's a bit too unpack there. But what got
31:59
Speaker 2: my attention? He says he realizes sex changes for kids
32:03
Speaker 2: might not be such a great idea. Now he's got
32:06
Speaker 2: a nine year old. What he didn't know that before exactly.
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Speaker 10: Now, We're going to see a lot more of this
32:11
Speaker 10: character over the next couple of years because he fancies
32:13
Speaker 10: himself as the Democrat candidate to take on jd. Vance
32:18
Speaker 10: at the next American election. He's big on the hand gestures,
32:21
Speaker 10: even more so. I'm accused of using hand gestures a lot,
32:24
Speaker 10: but this bloke's really big on them.
32:26
Speaker 1: And it's this and it's that and.
32:27
Speaker 10: I feel your pain and all that. So he's got
32:29
Speaker 10: to walk away from the fact, James, that he has
32:32
Speaker 10: been one of the major pushes an activist in pushing
32:36
Speaker 10: the whole transagenda through California, where he's been the governor
32:40
Speaker 10: of and he knows there's no way the American people
32:44
Speaker 10: will elect someone who's onto the transgender thing. So he's
32:46
Speaker 10: finding a way, a convenient way of stepping back. I'm
32:50
Speaker 10: using the hand gestue, see that governs some hand jesters.
32:52
Speaker 10: He's stepping back, and how can he walk away from
32:55
Speaker 10: this political position that has got him to where he is?
32:57
Speaker 10: The whole transgender community in l in California, San Francisco. Oh,
33:02
Speaker 10: he's discovered he's got a nine year old child. He
33:05
Speaker 10: looked around the room and thought, Ehi, there's a kid
33:06
Speaker 10: over there. I know, hey, come and sit here. Now
33:09
Speaker 10: I've got the kid here, I can go to the
33:11
Speaker 10: American people and say, I now understand. And of course
33:14
Speaker 10: you can't transition young children from boy to girl or
33:17
Speaker 10: girl the boy. I get it, man, I get it,
33:19
Speaker 10: hands out, hands this and all this, and it is disgusting.
33:24
Speaker 10: It is disgraceful. And any politician who uses the excuse
33:29
Speaker 10: now I get it, because I've got kids of my own,
33:32
Speaker 10: should never have been in any position of authority ever
33:36
Speaker 10: in any place, because, let's face it, if you don't
33:39
Speaker 10: have the intellectual capacity to understand how families live how
33:43
Speaker 10: children grow up. If you don't, you don't have to
33:45
Speaker 10: experience it yourself, but you have to have the intellect
33:47
Speaker 10: to understand it and to try and pretend that somehow. Oh,
33:51
Speaker 10: I just woke up today and saw my kid and thought,
33:53
Speaker 10: maybe maybe sex changes for kids aren't a great idea.
33:56
Speaker 10: The guys either a moron or soulating and so deceptive
34:02
Speaker 10: that he should be run right out of American politics
34:06
Speaker 10: because it is disgraceful in kids.
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Rowland, Look, Rowan Deane, it's been great
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Speaker 2: to have you on the program. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Coming up in just a moment, how artificial intelligence is
34:19
Speaker 2: making our kids dumber. Plus, the secrecy around the Epstein
34:23
Speaker 2: files is only making the public want to know more.
34:26
Speaker 2: Kosher Gata is next.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 2: The Jeffrey Epstein file saga is causing an even deeper divide,
34:35
Speaker 2: especially within the Megabase and Republican Party. We've seen today
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Speaker 2: US House Speaker Mike Johnson break from Donald Trump saying, quote,
34:43
Speaker 2: they should put everything out there.
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Speaker 13: It's a very delicate subject, but we should. We should
34:49
Speaker 13: put everything out there and let the people decide it.
34:51
Speaker 13: I mean the White House and the White House team
34:53
Speaker 13: are private to facts that I don't know. I mean,
34:55
Speaker 13: this isn't my lane. Haven't been involved in that, but
34:59
Speaker 13: I agree with the centerment that we need to we
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Speaker 13: need to put it out there.
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Speaker 2: Well, the more the administration tries to say nothing to
35:08
Speaker 2: see here, more questions the public and media have. Trump
35:12
Speaker 2: was pressed on this again today. This time he blamed Obama.
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Speaker 6: I would say that you know, these files were made
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Speaker 6: up by Komi.
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Speaker 1: They were made up by Obama.
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Speaker 6: They were made up by the maiden it from you know,
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Speaker 6: uh we and we went through years of that with
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Speaker 6: the Russia, Russia, Russia hopes, with all of the different
35:32
Speaker 6: things that.
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Speaker 1: We had to go through. We've gone through years of it.
35:35
Speaker 2: For more on this, I'm joined by Skyne his contributor
35:37
Speaker 2: Kosher Gata Kosher. The Trump administration is trying to make
35:40
Speaker 2: this go away, but it seems they're only making it
35:43
Speaker 2: worse by being so secretive about it.
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Speaker 11: Indeed, there are great to be with there. This is
35:50
Speaker 11: just you know, one of the few examples, James, where
35:53
Speaker 11: Trump doesn't seem to have his finger on the polls.
35:56
Speaker 11: He's somebody who's very instinctive, very in tune with his
35:59
Speaker 11: bas what the public wants. I do believe he'll get
36:02
Speaker 11: there because he's clearly seeing what we're seeing and the
36:05
Speaker 11: demand for more. But out of the gate he's looking
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Speaker 11: at this is who cares? He was a disgusting person, Epstein,
36:12
Speaker 11: He's long been dead. Let's move on. I've got a
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Speaker 11: country to save. And what that's doing, though, is it'
36:16
Speaker 11: sweeping under the rug. The real reason why people care
36:19
Speaker 11: about this, and certainly his base, it's not so much
36:21
Speaker 11: about Epstein and his disgusting proclivities, but it's really about
36:25
Speaker 11: transparency and justice and not believing official narratives that are
36:30
Speaker 11: coming down from the government. Trump inherited this. He really
36:33
Speaker 11: had nothing to do with the files and everything that's
36:36
Speaker 11: happened after that, But now sweeping it under the rug
36:38
Speaker 11: is not playing well for him, and this is far
36:40
Speaker 11: from over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. It's one of the
36:44
Speaker 2: few instances where Trump seems completely out of step with
36:48
Speaker 2: the general popular mood. Speaking of Donald Trump, he's being
36:52
Speaker 2: urged to sue Democrat Congresswoman Alexandria Occasio Cortez over a
36:57
Speaker 2: highly defamatory tweet. AOC wrote, Wow, who would have thought
37:02
Speaker 2: that electing a rapist would have complicated the release of
37:05
Speaker 2: the Epstein files. Classy stuff, but as always, Trump couldn't
37:10
Speaker 2: let her have the last laugh. Here he was when
37:12
Speaker 2: asked about it earlier today.
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Speaker 6: You know, AOC, look, I think she's very nice, but
37:19
Speaker 6: she's very low IQ, and we really don't need low
37:22
Speaker 6: IQ between her and Crockett. We're going to give her
37:26
Speaker 6: both an IQ test to see who comes.
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Speaker 2: Out best kosher. It's not likely Trump is going to
37:32
Speaker 2: take legal action, but it's quite the statement to be
37:35
Speaker 2: making about the President, which begs the question, does AOC
37:38
Speaker 2: just think she's untouchable?
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Speaker 11: Certainly, maybe there's something to the low IQ thing, although
37:45
Speaker 11: I do always say under estimate AOC at your own peril.
37:49
Speaker 11: I actually think she's smarter than people give her give
37:51
Speaker 11: her credit for. She's certainly savvy politically. It is highly defametory,
37:55
Speaker 11: and know it's very difficult in the US to get
37:58
Speaker 11: a judgment in terms of libel laws against public figures
38:01
Speaker 11: because the First Amendment. However, the reason people are pointing
38:04
Speaker 11: towards that is because George Stephanopolis of ABC News did
38:08
Speaker 11: the same thing, kept using that word, which is legally
38:10
Speaker 11: incorrect because the case they're talking about, the EG and
38:13
Speaker 11: Carol case. They found him guilty of sexual abuse, which
38:16
Speaker 11: is legally very different from rape, and he was throwing
38:18
Speaker 11: that out some ten fifteen times. George Stephanopolis, Trump sued
38:22
Speaker 11: ABC settled for fifteen million dollars and some other public
38:26
Speaker 11: apology and covering his legal fees. And that's why there's
38:30
Speaker 11: interest in this to go on offense just in general
38:33
Speaker 11: against all these people and the lawfair that they subjected
38:35
Speaker 11: Trump to. But I think it's interesting that politically he's
38:38
Speaker 11: deciding not to give her comments more oxygen and instead
38:40
Speaker 11: just dismissing her as low IQ. I think politically that's
38:43
Speaker 11: probably the wiser thing, and that's why for now Trump
38:46
Speaker 11: is not wielding his legal sword, though we know he's
38:49
Speaker 11: certainly not shy to do that when he wants to.
38:53
Speaker 2: Well, the other person Trump accused of being low IQ
38:56
Speaker 2: was Jasmine Crockett. So let's hear from the Democrat congresswoman
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Speaker 2: leaves her.
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Speaker 14: Texas has always been found to be intentionally discriminatory. What
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Speaker 14: this legislature historically has done is what they plan to
39:08
Speaker 14: do again, is to dilute the voices of people of
39:11
Speaker 14: color in order to make sure that they can get
39:15
Speaker 14: to where they're trying to go. I need people of
39:17
Speaker 14: color to understand that the scheme of the Republicans has
39:21
Speaker 14: consistently been to make sure that they mute our voices.
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Speaker 2: Kosher Jasmine Crockett has been labeled a gift for the Republicans.
39:30
Speaker 2: I can't imagine why, And never forget the time she
39:33
Speaker 2: made fun of Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who was paralyzed
39:37
Speaker 2: from the waist down after an accident when he was
39:39
Speaker 2: twenty six. She made fun of him for being in
39:41
Speaker 2: a wheelchair.
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Speaker 14: Have a look we in these hot ass Texas streets, Honey,
39:49
Speaker 14: y'all know we got governor high wheels down there. Come
39:52
Speaker 14: on now, and the only thing hot about him is
39:57
Speaker 14: that he is a hot ass mess.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The tolerant left don't get much
40:03
Speaker 2: better than that, do they? Kosher?
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Speaker 11: They certainly don't. She is considered to be a gift
40:10
Speaker 11: for the Republicans because she's sort of all of a sudden,
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Speaker 11: her stars is rising in terms of airtime that she's getting.
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Speaker 11: She's all over the place. She's weighing in on different issues.
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Speaker 11: She's eyeing potentially a run for Senate, which would be
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Speaker 11: higher office in Texas. So she hasn't declared that officially,
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Speaker 11: and she's definitely ambitious and she's putting herself out there.
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Speaker 11: But those comments do not go well, did not run well, will.
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Speaker 2: Not age well.
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Speaker 11: Certainly what she did to said about the governor there
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Speaker 11: and in terms of redistricting and all that, that's the playbook.
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Speaker 11: When all else fails, go for the R word racism,
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Speaker 11: and so that's what obviously she's going to run on
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Speaker 11: if she decides to pursue her higher office ambitions.
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Speaker 2: Well, she's certainly got plenty of friends in the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 2: If that's the standard. Kosher Gardner always great to talk
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Speaker 2: to you. We'll stick around after the break. Experts of
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Speaker 2: warning that AI tools are giving our kids digital amnesia.
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Speaker 2: That's coming up in just a moment. Well, as we
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Speaker 2: navigate the rise of artificial technology, there are concerns about
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Speaker 2: how and where it's being used. Experts now warn that
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Speaker 2: AI tools are dumbing down Australian kids, impacting their memory
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Speaker 2: and giving them what they call digital amnesia. To discuss
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Speaker 2: this and the rest of the day's top stories, I'm
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Speaker 2: joined by GT Communications founder Gema Tognini and PR Council
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Speaker 2: Managing director Christy McSweeney. Students are using these tools more
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Speaker 2: and more to check grammar, spelling, write essays. How do
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Speaker 2: we harness this technology but make sure it doesn't hurt us,
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Speaker 2: especially our kids who are trying to learn.
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Speaker 15: Well, James, it's really important that we say, and I
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Speaker 15: think a less is more approach to AI is really critical.
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Speaker 15: And it's interesting that this story has come out because
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Speaker 15: last month MIT in the United States released the results
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Speaker 15: of a study into the impact of chat, GPT and
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Speaker 15: other AI tools on this very cohort of people, and
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Speaker 15: it found that there was a significant and measurable negative
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Speaker 15: impact on brain development, particularly for young people. It also
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Speaker 15: found that it was eroding their ability to critical to
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Speaker 15: think critically. Now, this study is in the process of
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Speaker 15: being peer reviewed, but the authors say it has clear
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Speaker 15: evidence and compelling evidence at this early stage that these
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Speaker 15: AI tools should not be used by the young because
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Speaker 15: they're still developing their brains. And I know in my
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Speaker 15: own firm, we have very strict processes around what AI
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Speaker 15: can and can't be used for. We don't use it
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Speaker 15: for any kind of writing. And look, I've been around,
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Speaker 15: old James, I've been around for a little while. I
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Speaker 15: get something that's been written by AI, and you can
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Speaker 15: spot it a mile. I'll be interested to hear what
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Speaker 15: Christie thinks, because you can read something and go no
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Speaker 15: way a human wrote that, not a chance?
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Christy? The schools need to BANAI
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Speaker 2: tools altogether.
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Speaker 16: Look, it's just one of the things that we're seeing
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Speaker 16: the effects of technology on kids in schools. Everybody's worried
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Speaker 16: about social media, video games, and now AI, and as
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Speaker 16: Jemma said, all of these things have effects on the
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Speaker 16: developmental progression and or probably delay of young people, and
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Speaker 16: particularly younger children, but teenagers as well. And of course
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Speaker 16: there's been a lot of talk around AI is going
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Speaker 16: to take the jobs that juniors usually did after they
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Speaker 16: graduated in banking or in law or in general ice field,
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Speaker 16: which is public relations and communications and marketing. But the
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Speaker 16: less they are trying to think critically and actually develop
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Speaker 16: their own skill set, the less competitive they become in
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Speaker 16: terms of getting those jobs that are available to them.
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Speaker 16: So it really makes their career progression really unsustainable. And
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Speaker 16: that is something that teachers have to be aware of
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Speaker 16: when they're looking at these tools as things that can
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Speaker 16: help children when I don't actually think they can. It's
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Speaker 16: not best preparing them for the future.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, you're quite right. All right. Let's talk
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Speaker 2: about Quantus for a second. This is an interesting story.
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Speaker 2: They have for some time banned their pilots from having
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Speaker 2: beards because facial hair could potentially compromise the seal of
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Speaker 2: oxygen masks. Okay, but now pilots of the airline's regional outfit, Quantuslink, well,
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Speaker 2: they've been told to shave as well. But this is
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Speaker 2: what caught my attention, ladies. Pilots were encouraged to fill
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Speaker 2: out a form in response to the change before August twelve,
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Speaker 2: and were advised they could seek confidential counseling support if needed.
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Speaker 2: Jim or I get that some blokes might not want
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Speaker 2: to part with their beards, but counseling at this rate
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Speaker 2: Quantus so soon off support groups for pilots triggered by turbulence.
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Speaker 15: Have you seen my nineteen ninety five publicity shot from
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Speaker 15: Channel seven.
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Speaker 10: It's not good.
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Speaker 15: It's not good at all, and no one offered me
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Speaker 15: counseling for that. This is a really strange kind of
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Speaker 15: turn of events. It sort of speaks to sort of
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Speaker 15: like HR overreach and perhaps backside covering. I don't know,
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Speaker 15: I have never had grown a beard, so I cannot
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Speaker 15: really speak to the emotional attachment that one may or
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Speaker 15: may not have.
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Speaker 2: With said beard.
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Speaker 15: But it does speak to a strange sort of culture
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Speaker 15: in which, you know, counseling is offered for a move
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Speaker 15: that is, according to the airline, strictly about safety and
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Speaker 15: in the unlikely event of an emergency, being able to
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Speaker 15: survive that emergency.
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Speaker 2: Christy, needing to get counseling in order to remove some
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Speaker 2: fluff from your chin doesn't exactly scream top gun, does it.
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Speaker 16: Look I've never heard of this, And I was once
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Speaker 16: in charge of the Quantus Human resources manuals and Quantus
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Speaker 16: crew training, and I've learned how to do the little
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Speaker 16: French role, and I've learned how to do the quantious
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Speaker 16: grooming process under the tutelage of the people who trained
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Speaker 16: our cabin crew. I have never heard of this beard
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Speaker 16: issue before. Look, a lot of young guys having a
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Speaker 16: resurgence in beard is coming back into fashion, so maybe
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Speaker 16: the young pilots want to keep it. But as for
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Speaker 16: offering counseling, isn't that a bit of a waste of
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Speaker 16: money considering the things that happened to cabin crew when
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Speaker 16: they face the public UTI maybe the ground pre checking desks.
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Speaker 16: I think the pilots are the last people who probably
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Speaker 16: need counseling around such a trivial public facing issue.
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Speaker 2: We thought so all right, we haven't got much time left.
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Speaker 2: But I just want to get a quick thought about
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Speaker 2: junk food advertisements, which have been banned in Australia and
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Speaker 2: now have the backing of a leading health body. But
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Speaker 2: we're just not talking about a ban on ads for
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Speaker 2: chocolate or ice cream. They're going after processed meats as well,
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Speaker 2: like ham. The Australian Association of National Advertisers is pushing
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Speaker 2: hard against this, saying, as it stands, this policy bands
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Speaker 2: all processed meats, which means a simple ham salad sandwich
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Speaker 2: can't be advertised. Jemma, are we just becoming too much
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Speaker 2: of a nanny state?
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Speaker 15: Oh my god? Does this apply to Proscuto and Brazala
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Speaker 15: and spec and Copy and all of the good process meat?
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Speaker 1: Does it?
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Speaker 15: I mean we are already an embarrassing nanny state in
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Speaker 15: this country. It's a phata complay. We passed that milestone
47:37
Speaker 15: significant time, a significant time ago. Look, James, I have
47:41
Speaker 15: a different view on these things because I grew up
47:43
Speaker 15: in an environ family environment in which there was alcohol addiction,
47:46
Speaker 15: and I understand that advertising plays are role, but it
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Speaker 15: is not the only thing. People have to have agency
47:51
Speaker 15: over their choices. And if we're banning ham sandwiches, we
47:55
Speaker 15: really need to stop and check ourselves. This is not
47:57
Speaker 15: the country I want to live in.
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Speaker 2: It really isn't I reckon. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And
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Speaker 2: there's this little thing called parents who are always able
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Speaker 2: to say no. They should try it sometime. Jemma Tognini,
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Speaker 2: Christy McSweeney, thank you so much for your time. Well
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Speaker 2: that's all the time I've got tonight. I'll be back tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: But right now, Denika de Giorgio is filling in for
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Speaker 2: Charry markson good Night