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#385 - For Azeroth!: “The Context of Keystones" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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So finally, when it came time around for I was like, you know
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what I want? I want the 3400.
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I want to get this mount that required a bit of work and that
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there were dungeons. I mean, again, pugging where
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groups just didn't time some of those sixteens.
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It took me about like a a reset week, really playing a few hours
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throughout throughout the week here and there to work on it
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gradually and then and then eventually time those and get
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it. It wasn't just a go in one shot.
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Hey, we're done. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria.
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For calendar. To the burning region, for
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Gilnaeus, for hath not done, for the Lynch King, for the
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Sindorai, for the Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of the hosts, Manny AKA Truman.
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Manny and I am joined again by a special guest.
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So we do not have Lex, we do not have Sean, but we have Lyria.
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Lyria, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating
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you this week? Hi, I'm doing very well.
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I'm absolutely loving midnight. I've been telling people like I
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really enjoyed the War Within, like enjoyed it, it was
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fantastic. But midnight for me has been
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even better. I I've absolutely loved it so
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far. What's been, what's been the
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high point for midnight that's been putting at that next level?
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Oh gosh, I think so. I told myself going into this
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season that it was going to be the season of ALTS for me
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because going back to probably like Legion and BFA, I, I used
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to have a lot of alts. Like I had my main and it would
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raid. It would do all, you know, all
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the weekly things. But I, I used to just, I feel
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like be known for playing alts and I moved away from that a
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little bit. And so this season, going to the
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expansion, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to slow down a
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bit, like still do all the things I normally do, but carve
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out time every week to make sure that I'm, I'm actually doing
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the, the delve season journey or I'm actually working on renown
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for cosmetics. And like just things like that,
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that make you really appreciate the smaller things in the game
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that aren't like the, the bigger like rating and, and chasing IO
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and, and mythic plus and things like that.
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I just really wanted to slow it down.
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And so far I've managed to accomplish that.
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And I think, I think that's helped a lot.
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That's amazing. That honestly sounds like the
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inverse of my journey. I got to ask you, when you're
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saying you're re re enlisted this army of alts, how many alts
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are we talking about here? Oh gosh.
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Well, so I have 5 characters total.
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One of them is technically my main, but I I still, I suppose
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that's still 5 characters. I used to play one of every
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healer and over the last couple of expansions that's kind of
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just been like my main and maybe one other healer.
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It has not been all of them. So what I've been trying to do,
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I should also say it's, it's excluding shaman.
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I'm, I'm so sorry for anyone who plays a shaman.
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I've never I'm so sorry. I it's the totems.
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I just I have such a hard time with the totems and I know
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everyone has told me that they've those are just kind of
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like scaled back on the totems. They're on it nearly as many as
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there used to be, you know, looking back at like Mop.
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But I that is still on my list because technically I can't say
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I play all the healers until shaman's leveled, but Hunter's
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also on my list. I finally learned how to play
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survival in the war within. Do you remember legion when they
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they turned it into a melee spec?
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I, the most I played in Legion as survival with that new spec
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was the mage tower. And even then I just pressed
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buttons that lit up and just kind of like hoped that
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everything would be fine. And then I finished the mage
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tower and I didn't touch it again.
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So anyway, Hunter's on my list though, because last expansion I
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actually sat down and learned how to play survival and it's so
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much fun. So that's, that's on my list
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coming up. But for now, for now it's it's 5
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characters. 5 characters OK honestly, because the buzzword,
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the word that has lost all meaning on this show is average.
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We have Sean who'll be like, Oh yeah, I'm, you know, I'm at
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average item level and that'll be like 280 something.
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And then Lex will be I'm at average item level or other
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people. And like what averages is of
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course different for all of us. So it's average.
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You're playing with a few alts and that happens to be 5.
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What when you said you're doing like, you know, the, the
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journey, your dungeon journey and everything.
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What item level are these? How are you playing?
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Do you have like separate roles for each of them?
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So my my rest or druid is the one I do.
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I do cutting edge rating on the rest or druid.
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I I made it every tier, every expansion.
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That's that's just my go to. That's always my main that I
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believe at the time of this recording, it's 283.
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It's but again, that's the character that it goes with the
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great every week. So that's the one that has the
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most gear. The other alts I try to do at
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least one key on them so that the very least, even if I end up
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taking a socket or whatever, I have one myth slot option in the
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vault every week. If I have, you know, if it's the
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weekend and we're coming down to the, you know, the heading
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toward Tuesday basically for reset, if I have more time, I
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will do, I'll pick maybe one or two alt healers and do more keys
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on them at least maybe like 4 because because then you want
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unlock 2 ball slots. They're all around 27270,
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something like maybe the low two 70s.
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So there I would say that there's about a 10 item level
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difference with the main and the alts.
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What I, what I used to do in, in BFA and it was a little bit
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easier because, you know, that was the COVID days, if a lot of,
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you know, most people were kind of at home and, you know, work
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schedules I think were a little bit different.
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So I had a lot more time back then.
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And what I tried to do was have my alts ready to step into
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mythic rating because that was always my focus for many years.
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And my Guild knew that, you know, if we for some reason lost
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a healer, they quit rating or we got to a boss fight on mythic
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and it needed a particular healer.
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You know, like for for example, like mythic mythic paladins
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right now in, in Voyd's Fire that a lot of most, most groups,
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I think bring a misweaver so that you can revival off the,
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the spell off the whole group, you know, situations like that.
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And so I like to have my alts very gradually, not a ton of
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pressure every week, but get to a point where if I needed to put
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a little bit, you know, 110% into 1 alt for a week, it could
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step into mythic at any point. I haven't had to do that, but
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you know, it's fun to switch it up.
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OK, that's very cool that you are both specialized in healing,
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but also a Swiss army knife where you can like pop any of
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those things out of your roster when needed.
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OK, so then you of course have done Mythic plus at one point.
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You were pushing really hard. For those who don't know you,
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that are just having introduction to you, what's your
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history with Mythic Plus and Keystones?
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I guess my more immediate history is that I I made a
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wrestler dirt and I I push relatively high mythic.
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Plus I have achieved the 0.1% title one time one season and
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that was season 3 of Dragonflights fairly recently in
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a way the a season immediately after that.
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I was exactly 50 points off of title that season and that was
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unfortunate and I'm sure we'll get to it at some point.
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I, I often pug my keys, you know, so I whenever I talk about
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high mythic plus it's not like I have a, a pre made group ready,
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ready and waiting to go. It's I, I for the last several
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years have always pugged a tank, for example, always and I've
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always pugged usually one DPS. So it kind of, it kind of
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depends. Before that though, I I should
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also mention that up until Dragonflight I used to only do
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whatever the weekly key would be.
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So weekly key meaning like the lowest key level you need to do
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to unlock the highest item level from your vault.
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So in this case, right now in midnight season one, that would
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be a 10. It unlocks A myth myth level
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gear from your vault. I used to only do that and then
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in Dragonflight that's when things shifted a little bit and
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I started to do higher, higher and higher keys.
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OK, so let's focus in on that. Like what was involved in making
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that shift from going and saying like, OK, I'm going to get the
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highest reward and since nothing I don't get anything extra from
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from going beyond to I'm going to be in the top .1% and push
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and push on that. And I, I also do want to say I'm
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really sorry for missing the point 1% by 50.
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That's that's got to hurt. That took that, that was
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painful. That took a little while to get
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Oh, and and it it was, it was painful, I think because when
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you're pugging it, it just, I mean, a, a friend and I were
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pugging together. It was a it was DPS and I were,
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were queuing up in LFG, the season 4 Dragonflight.
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And it got to the point where even just listing it wasn't even
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like we were playing that queue simulator that people talk about
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where you, you know, you, you go up for a key D list, D list, D
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decline, D list, you know, decline.
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It wasn't it wasn't even that we would list our own key.
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We would try to push our and we were not finding people with
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comparable experience. And, and what I mean by that,
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because it's not meant to come across as a oh, we're excluding
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people. It's more like when you, for
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example, right now, the time of this recording, I believe title
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range is right around plus A + 19.
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At the time when we were, we missed it by 50 points.
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It would be like if you were putting up a + 19 key into LFG,
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but having people with a + 14 + 14 experience queuing up.
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There's a big difference. There's a big jump between a +
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15 and a + 19. The damage itself, just the
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numbers are quite different and there's a little bit of, there's
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a bit more understanding involved when you're kind of
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jumping out, You know, I don't, I don't even, I wouldn't even
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jump from like a 14 to a 16. You know, I would, I would jump
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into a 15 instead, personally. And so at the time, and those
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numbers I'm throwing out are just an example, at the time it
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was just really difficult to find somebody who knew the
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dungeons because my friend and I had been pucking and pucking and
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pucking till for like 2 weeks straight.
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We sit up till, oh gosh, do I tell you this, We stayed up to
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about 3 or 4 in the morning for two weeks straight.
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I had some time off of work and we were like, you know what,
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this is the big push. We're just going to go and and
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attempt to get title. It's toward the end of the
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season. And we had seen the dungeons
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over and over and over and over again.
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We knew the routes, we knew the polls.
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And so part of pugging and I might be getting a little bit
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off topic of your original. No, no, this is all wonderful.
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Part of pugging is you. You don't know who you're going
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to get, like what their experience level is.
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And so again, going back to those numbers where when you see
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somebody in their highest key is, you know, couple key levels
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below what you're trying to do, there is that there's that gap
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in experience where it gets a little bit tricky.
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And when you only have X amount of hours a day to attempt
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something, it becomes this question where like, OK, well,
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do you, do you try to team up with somebody and you know,
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maybe they're going to stay. They, they might not even want
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to stay in your group. You know, they already have a
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group, but maybe they're, they're queuing up because they
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have an hour to kill. And then, you know, we ran into
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that a lot as well, where people couldn't commit to our group,
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but just wanted to do a key here and there.
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You, you just, you never know what people's experience levels
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are going to be. And it just, it made it really
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tricky to kind of match up that experience level.
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And I think in general, I should also mention, because I, again,
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I'm not trying to come come across it as, you know, you have
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to has to be the same, you know, experience level has to be the
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exact same IO, because that's, that's not the case either.
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I have, I've brought in DPS friends before who didn't really
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have a ton of experience, but needed to see the dungeons, knew
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their class really well and just needed to know, Oh, this is when
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I pop a defensive or this is when, you know, they kind of
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learn, you know, you spend a few days, a week or two, you know,
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and, and they kind of get into this rhythm.
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We've tried that before, but I think sometimes you fall into a
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little bit of a time crunch where you're just kind of
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looking for somebody who has approximately, you know, a key
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level or two difference than what you're trying to to time.
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OK, No, that is that's a lot of things that you touched on there
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that I was going to hopefully get to in the future.
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But I do love that. So I bear with me.
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I want to pick apart just just some of that so.
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I tend to keep going. I love talking about Mythic
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plus. No, this is wonderful.
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This is great. I mean like that's just front
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loaded information. I hope all the people listening
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to this are are thankful that they are getting all this
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because I'm enjoying this a lot. But again, you were pugging it
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to get to that point and you have gone into the point 1%
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through this mean. So it is possible as you said,
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obviously as you're pugging the confidence that you have in what
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in who you're bringing is like different because you haven't
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worked with these people. What I would like to ask you
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about is as you are preparing yourself, or if you are looking
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for other people to prepare, what are the things that they
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could do to like give themselves the best chance of not being the
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person where that confidence was betrayed, I guess.
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So that, that reminds me, because I think I've answered
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part of your question before, and I think part of your
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question a moment ago was how do you, how do you go from doing a
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+ 10, for example, like just trying to fill up your vault and
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to the 0.1% range or, or possibly just under like 50
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points? I had just joined a Guild and
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this is connected to the confidence piece.
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I just joined a new rating Guild.
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I had taken the first couple of Ray tears off in Dragonflight
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and in this new rating Guild, there was a Windwalker monk And,
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and they were, he was very, he's very, I'm still friends with
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him. He's very nice.
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And he had reached out to me pretty, pretty early on when I
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joined the Guild and he said, hey, beginning of the season,
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are you interested in pushing keys?
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I asked the Guild every season, hey, does anyone want to push
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keys? I'm never going to need takers.
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You're new. Would you like to do this?
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And I had never had anyone asked me that before.
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And I was like, you know what? Sure, why not?
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Because if this person also doesn't have a ton of experience
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pushing keys and I don't have a ton of experience, then at least
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that confidence level, it made me feel it was a little bit more
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comforting knowing that if I make a mistake, this person
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isn't, they don't have high, super high expectations for me
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because they're also learning it in a way.
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I think they had a little bit more experience than I did
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because they had tried to push higher before, not at the title
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range, but it it felt nice one knowing that it was someone in
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the Guild, someone that yes, well, I had just met them a
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little bit. They had been in the Guild for a
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long time. Obviously the Guild, the Guild,
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trust them. They have a ton of friends
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there. It's always nice, you know, when
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someone sticks around for a while.
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And then it was also nice to be asked to want to do this, want
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to learn, want to just have fun. There were no goals from the
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beginning to, to hit title or even even the, the 1% range.
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It was, hey, let's just do this for fun in our free time.
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We'll push keys, we'll see what we can do.
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And so the confidence piece, it took me a long time to get that,
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even even with playing with somebody who I knew.
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I remember the first key I did that season by myself without
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this Windwalker monk who was there to kind of like not quite
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hold my hand, but you to be there as like a comforting
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person that you know. And I was terrified.
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I remember, oh gosh, it was, it was dark heart thicket.
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I remember that. And that dungeon in particular,
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if anybody else played that season or you remember it from
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Legion, there are cats at the beginning of that dungeon as
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you're, you're kind of going down this very windy road and
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the cats leap and they and they, they do a bleed.
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You know, there's also birds there.
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The birds screech. There's, there's a ton of a weed
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damage. And I remember signing up for
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this key level and it was a, it was a score key for me.
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Like I hadn't timed it at that level.
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And I was terrified. I remember sitting here in this
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chair with my heart racing. It's kind of like when you're
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watching a scary movie and you know something bad is about to
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happen and your heart just starts racing and racing.
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And then you can feel your like your face is like getting kind
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of hot and you're like, what is the best, you know, And you're
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still on the edge of your seat. That's how I felt going into
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this key. And on that pull on that winding
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Rd. we, we basically bricked the key in a way.
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I mean, it was a high enough key where we just kept wiping over
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and over a week where we're not getting past those packs.
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And the, the person whose key it was, was like, all right, Gigi,
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nice try, but nobody yelled, nobody said anything.
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Nobody. They just said, you know, Gigi,
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you know, NT a nice try. And then and then everybody
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left. And I think some of the
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confidence comes from the confidence piece is knowing
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that, telling myself that this is this is the Internet, yes,
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it's an MMO, yes, you're playing with other people.
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Yes, I'm going to make mistakes. You're going to make people
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watching this are going to make this.
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Everybody makes mistakes and the people.
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And again, I think this is easier to maybe say or maybe
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easier to hear than it is to kind of like take it to heart
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and actually like, you know, remember it, including myself
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when there are people who maybe do make comments like for at the
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end of that poll, for example, if that group had kind of gone
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off on me and been like, where are the heels?
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You know, like tanks and healers are always blamed for things or
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hunter pets, you know, and even if they had done that, I think
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the more important thing to remember is why, why did the
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pole fail? Because it's not just a oh,
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healer didn't press buttons kind of issue.
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It's OK. Well, when the screech went off,
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did the hunter use a defensive? Did the mage pop mass barrier?
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Was somebody sitting on a healthstone available to use and
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didn't and then bled out to a bleed?
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You know, there are a lot of things.
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Did the tank lose aggro on a mob and it went and one shot the
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rogue? You know, something like that.
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I try to remember those moments and I try to not focus on the
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negativity because I think if it's if somebody who is going to
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kind of fly off the handle like that, it's someone who's not
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looking at the key in an analytical way, trying to figure
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out why it wiped. They're just throwing out
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insults because they're ticked off, you know.
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So another long winded answer of explaining, you know, the, the
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confidence piece takes time, but it also kind of takes this
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mindset where you kind of do need a little bit of thick skin
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on the Internet. You know, whether you're whether
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it's on a pocket, you know, or you're streaming or, or you're
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just playing, playing a key, right?
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And you're, you know, it's not even broadcasted or anything.
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You're just, you're logging in. It's just your character knowing
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that, you know, even if you did make a mistake, you forgot to,
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you forgot to iron bark the tank or, or whatever it was, it's
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just a mistake. And now you know, hey, the in
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the next key, the tank needs iron bark on the pole or, or
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whatever it might be. Even in those negative moments,
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it's always a learning experience.
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The negativity that can come from from pug groups and such,
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focusing on the analytics, focusing on trying to improve.
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I like that When you are moving to these higher key levels, are
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there like things that people should be on the lookout for?
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Are there like points where you're like, hey, now that
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you're here, maybe you should be paying attention to this more
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than you were before? Yeah, actually there's a dungeon
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this season at midnight that comes to mind, and it's Win
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Runner Spire, the very last boss in that dungeon.
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There are, I always call them feathers.
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I don't know if they're they're they're the little feathers that
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drop on the ground. I don't know what else to call
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them. I think it's a feather because
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it, it kind of boosts you up into the air.
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So you get everybody gets a debuff at some point and it,
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it's, it's ticking damage on you unless you go and grab one of
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those again, we'll call it a feather and it, it kind of
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throws you up into the air. It gets it gets rid of that dot
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though. I think on on lower keys people
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don't notice the damage as much, but on higher keys that ticks a
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lot. And let's say the entire group
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does not clear it. That's a lot of extra healing
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stress on your healer while they're also dealing with other
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other mechanics that are that are going on on that fight.
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My hunter that I play with did them.
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I am not a numbers person by the way.
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I was an English undergrad, so I have not fact checked if I have
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not done the numbers myself. But he did the numbers one day
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and it was roughly at, at a particular key level, something
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like 6060, something extra percent of healing that the the
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healer has to do on people. If you don't clear that on a, on
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a high enough key, because I guess there's a couple different
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ways of thinking about it. Let's say you have two out of
21:30
your three DPS or melee. Or let's say even all three,
21:33
maybe all three are are melee. There's this one argument where
21:37
you know you're having melee, run away from the boss, grab it,
21:41
get thrown up in the air. That's DPS that's not on the
21:44
boss. You're not DPS ING the boss at
21:45
that point. But also it's a little bit of a
21:51
of a trade off because you also risk people dying.
21:54
The healer might not be able to heal.
21:56
I mean, we're talking like high like hierarchies.
21:58
I'd say anything above like a like a 13, maybe 13 or 14.
22:01
I think it's when you really should start considering
22:04
clearing it. It depends is, is somebody going
22:08
to die to that they're going to get too low it, you know, you
22:10
just run into these risks and now and now someone might be
22:13
dead because they didn't, they didn't clear it, you know, So
22:16
it's that's one example that comes to mind because I think
22:20
when, when you're entering and for a long time, I didn't know
22:22
that again until I got to a hierarchy and realized, oh,
22:25
we're supposed to be clearing this.
22:26
You know, I have people who watch my stream, you know,
22:29
sometimes if I'm doing that dungeon and they ask me, hey,
22:32
why, why are you having everyone clear that?
22:33
Because they also don't know. It's those little things.
22:36
I think there might be mechanics in certain dungeons, either on
22:40
the trash or on certain fights where you don't notice it as
22:43
much on like a a 10/11/12, maybe even sometimes a 13 until you
22:50
get to the the higher keys. And you also start to see
22:53
overlaps maybe. And you start to see, OK, if
22:55
there's two mechanics happening at the same time, there's two
22:58
overlaps. This this one that I thought
23:02
wasn't really anything actually does hurt a lot.
23:04
You know, like in their example in Winrunner is the the bird
23:08
boss, right? The firebird boss.
23:10
Well, the fire swirls, I'm sure, you know, like you're.
23:11
Yeah, you're not. You're like, Oh yeah, I know the
23:13
boss people. When you run out a swirl, the
23:17
boss selects 2 people. You have to run it out.
23:19
It drops a tornado basically that does a lot of damage to
23:24
people. And if you're playing a healer
23:27
and you're and you're the one who gets it, you're running,
23:29
which means that you're not healing yourself and you're not
23:31
healing the other person who gets it.
23:33
And you'll notice really quickly that, oh man, this, this
23:36
particular mechanic, this hurts. This is a this is a dot.
23:40
This is damage that I didn't notice before because it was
23:43
lower key. So I think it it really just
23:46
comes with repetition and and seeing it because there are
23:49
certain spells, debuffs, mechanics, fights, even overall
23:54
dungeons that are easier on some healers than there than there
23:57
are others. OK, so I think a lot of this is
24:04
actually getting into the dungeons, doing those dungeons,
24:06
pushing yourself, not only just because you learn and you can
24:12
like, I guess ingrain that information into your head.
24:16
It the example you gave is actually kind of perfect.
24:19
Because I, when I ran my first 13 in Windrunner Spire, I had
24:25
two, two people who mentioned me and said you may not be ready
24:28
for a 13. You weren't paying attention to
24:30
this and this. And so, like I, I know that you
24:34
may not be ready for a 13 is a harsh thing.
24:38
And so I, I had to like, you know, have that thick skin
24:41
you're, you're saying, but the fact that they pointed out
24:43
exactly what the things that I had missed was was incredibly
24:47
helpful. So one, removing that dot it
24:51
from like just being shot up from I think it's arrows on that
24:54
last boss, but whatever, we'll call them feathers.
24:57
And yeah, the fire plumes or the fact that the undead boss, that
25:02
is a curse. So as a shaman, I can get rid of
25:05
that in my DPS spec and not have to worry about it being chased.
25:08
All those little things that like once you've played it and
25:12
then you know what you and in your particular specs slash cost
25:16
can handle uniquely means that you're just that much better
25:21
prepared as things become way closer.
25:24
And I think you gave that a great example of the fire
25:28
tornadoes because the fire tornado may not kill you on its
25:31
own, but it may leave you so vulnerable to at the point that
25:35
it combines with something else and just ends you.
25:38
And so like, the issue wasn't what exactly killed you, but
25:41
what you could have done to put yourself in a position where you
25:44
wouldn't have been killed by that.
25:45
And I love, I love that you're giving all these examples that
25:49
just sort of meld in this season in particular, we have the new
25:57
3400 rating to get a saddle. We also have aside from the
26:04
point 1% title push, we have a 1% new milestone to hit.
26:09
Do you think that these are needed to bridge that gap from
26:14
just doing doing what you needed for your vault to like getting
26:18
people to go higher at what do you think that this is like a
26:22
good thing overall? But what are you?
26:24
What's your take on this? I've seen a couple of different
26:27
takes. My mine personally is I think
26:31
having more incentives for people to continue to push past
26:35
the Keystone Legends, which is which is all I believe all or
26:38
three 3K rather, which is mostly twelves.
26:42
I think it's really good to have incentives like that.
26:44
However, I have seen other takes where people are saying, well,
26:47
now there's FOMO. I don't do plus sixteens.
26:51
And for the most part you, you need mostly sixteens or, or all
26:54
sixteens to get 3400. And that's, I'm not going to
27:00
lie, because I, I just got that at the time of this recording, a
27:03
couple weeks prior to this, I, I kind of took the first couple
27:06
weeks off and I didn't remember the 55 volts.
27:08
So I focused on, on, you know, the plus 10's and, and gearing
27:11
those up. So finally when it came time
27:13
around for, I was like, you know what, I want, I want the 3400.
27:15
I want to get this mount that required a bit of work and that
27:19
there were dungeons. I mean, again, pugging where
27:22
groups just didn't time some of those sixteens.
27:24
It took me about like a a reset week, really playing a few hours
27:28
throughout throughout the week here and there to work on it
27:31
gradually and then and then eventually time those and get
27:33
it. It wasn't just a go in one shot.
27:36
Hey, we're done. And so I understand that take as
27:40
well where people are saying, hey, I don't normally do
27:44
sixteens. Now I have to spend all this
27:46
extra time this season working toward that.
27:50
But I also think, you know, I guess, I guess that same
27:54
argument or similar argument maybe is that usually the last
28:01
boss of a Mythic Ray tier will drop a mount.
28:04
Now it's not every tier, but several mounts usually drop off
28:08
a final mythic boss every every expansion.
28:11
And yes, while that mount is still technically there, it just
28:14
drops down in percent usually. You know, instead of having like
28:18
3 guaranteed drop it I I think it's like a 1% or or maybe even
28:22
lower. It's somewhere around in that
28:24
range. You know, I think having all
28:27
season to work toward a + 16, I think A+ plus sixteens are much
28:31
different than finding a group of 20 people and then rating
28:34
every single week for two to three nights a week every week.
28:38
You know, it's, it's a lot different.
28:39
I think the plus 16 is a little bit more accessible because you,
28:42
you can puck it. It is only for other people in
28:45
addition to yourself. And I think you, you just, you
28:49
have the entire season to work for that.
28:51
So I do think it's good. I do hear both takes.
28:54
I think for many years, people who were already kind of in that
28:58
range were already saying, Hey, I, I don't, I'm not quite at the
29:02
point 1% range, but I also don't get anything for doing this.
29:05
Like I like the challenge of pushing keys, but I don't get
29:09
anything from it. The only thing I get is this
29:10
like personal satisfaction that I'm doing challenging content
29:13
either with pugs or with friends and it's fun.
29:15
You know that, that difficulty, I think I think it's good and I
29:22
think it's an interesting concept that they have.
29:24
You know, you, you basically get a token, it's this currency
29:27
token and you can go and you can spend it on, I believe it's past
29:32
KSM mounts from previous expansions.
29:34
But then they also have 6 new mounts that you can get.
29:39
So I guess the one, the one piece of feedback I do have
29:41
about it is that like for me, I have 6 different mounts to
29:44
choose from and I just, I always freeze up in general when it
29:48
comes to a decision like that where I'm like, I can only pick
29:50
one. You know, I remember back in
29:52
Mop, if, if you, if you played Mop back in the challenge mode
29:56
dungeons, when you timed them all on silver, right, there was
30:00
like the bronze, silver and the gold.
30:03
When you timed them all on a silver, you got access to the
30:06
mounts and they were these gorgeous phoenixes.
30:08
And you could only pick one unless you did it on multiple
30:12
characters. And then the next character
30:14
could pick a different color and then the third one would pick
30:15
the third color, you know, and so on.
30:17
And then eventually they just, they unlocked all four colors if
30:19
you, if you unlocked it at the time.
30:20
But even back then I remember thinking, oh, no, OK, I have to
30:23
pick wisely. I feel that now.
30:25
So the one piece of advice I have is, Oh my gosh, why do we
30:27
have six options? I mean, I think three of them
30:32
are shredder mounts of different huge so but yeah, I I get that.
30:39
And I, I remember so little bit of deep lore before I was doing
30:45
any podcasting or anything. I was also working on those
30:48
those challenge modes back in Mr. Pandaria.
30:50
That was I was actually healing on Resto Shaman, the one that.
30:54
You don't like, I'm so sorry. Oh, it's OK.
30:58
I actually have not healed in many years.
31:02
Definitely not main healing. I love pushing and getting those
31:06
rewards. And even though they gave all of
31:09
the mounts, you only get the transmog on characters that had
31:13
done that and that, that's another thing that's unique.
31:16
So I always hated that. I was like, oh man, I'm missing
31:18
out. And I don't want to like go
31:21
through all the effort of like creating a different character
31:24
of each class just so I can get that trans blog.
31:26
I guess I'm missing out. I understand.
31:30
I'm always a person who doesn't feel FOMO in that same way.
31:36
I like, yes, it's like, oh, I guess I'm missing out.
31:39
But also isn't it cool that as a shaman, man, I have that thing
31:44
and that's for shamans. It's not just I did it on any
31:47
character. So I I like that prestige as a
31:53
relative quality to the exclusiveness.
31:57
But yeah, I feel like the amounts that they added, the new
32:03
ones that they did, they're recolors of previous ones.
32:07
I want to see how quickly they rotate the selection.
32:12
Like if we get into next season and those six mounts completely
32:16
change, I'm going to like call foul on that.
32:20
But if they stick around so that we get through like let's say
32:24
three seasons of this and we can pick up half of them, that would
32:29
feel OK before they wrote. And I wouldn't want them to
32:31
rotate them all. I they rotate some of them and
32:34
then you're like, OK, great. Like I can eventually get all of
32:37
these. So it is a it is a matter of
32:40
like how quickly, how quickly they stuff these back in the
32:44
Disney vault. It's a Disney vault.
32:47
I love that. Oh, yeah, no, every time, Every
32:51
time I think about artificial scarcity, it is the Disney vault
32:55
that I think of as the paradigm. So we're looking for these
32:58
things. Therefore, there is a bit of
32:59
FOMO involved. But when I am going, because I
33:05
am at the situation where you're at, I did my like twelves.
33:09
I wanted to get my KSL so that I got everything.
33:12
And now there's more things that are out there that I want to
33:16
get. And So what resources could I or
33:18
people like me look at to say like, OK, now that I'm making
33:22
this shift, what can I, what can I do to like, give myself the
33:26
most I can without just beating my head against the wall until I
33:29
get it? The advice I have it's, it's the
33:32
same advice I gave. You know it again.
33:33
I, I keep going to back to dragonflakes.
33:35
That's when I started and and I I streamed the progress really
33:40
it's when I came back to streaming and I just so happened
33:42
to kind of start doing mythic plus and then people kind of
33:44
started watching and then it. So anyways, the advice that I
33:48
have always given this is this is exactly what I followed back
33:51
in Dragonflight is so I when I'm not streaming, I usually have a
33:58
stream up. It's it's, it's often why I see
34:00
even Cory stream right. And you know, we're in and other
34:03
streams as well. I always have a stream up,
34:05
whether I'm like actively sitting here and talking in chat
34:07
or I have it up in the background.
34:08
I'm working on something else. But I that also means that I'm
34:11
always watching other other restaurants who are doing
34:14
similar key levels as B or higher.
34:17
And I, even if, again, I'm not sitting here for hours on end
34:22
watching every single key, I might TuneIn or I might see that
34:26
let's say they're doing winrunner.
34:27
Let's say I'm having a difficult time in winrunner.
34:28
And I see that they're doing that because it's live and most
34:32
people streaming they're, they're going to, they, they
34:34
want questions, right? They're going to interact.
34:35
I, I don't know why else you would be streaming it if you
34:38
didn't actually want to be interacting with people, right?
34:40
So it, what I've always done. I ask questions, I ask a ton of
34:45
questions. I, you know, I think back to a
34:48
tall Dizar, which was Abfa dungeon and then they, they
34:51
brought it back and there were some mobs.
34:53
Oh gosh, was this, I think this was also maybe it was a
34:57
dragonflight. I think it's when they brought
34:58
it back. There were some mobs that had an
35:00
enrage. And I asked another rester
35:03
druid. I said, I noticed that you're
35:04
not soothing those mobs as, as a rester druid, Why?
35:08
Why are you not soothing them at this point?
35:11
1% key level? Like wouldn't when they leap at
35:13
you, they're in rage. That leap is going to do a ton
35:17
of damage. And at the at the time this
35:19
person said, well, if it's just not worth the the GCD, you know,
35:23
we have these triants. You can drop a triant, go back
35:25
into melee. The triant will and this
35:27
involves a little bit of tech, but the mobs would jump to the
35:30
triant that you dropped outside of melee instead of at the
35:33
players. So that frees up, you know, you
35:35
don't have to use a GCD soothing all these different mobs.
35:37
And there were things like that, just little things like that.
35:42
I remember something else. I, I don't know if I had
35:46
mentioned this in season 4 of Dragonfly.
35:48
It was, it was very last season of that expansion.
35:50
I participated in team, Team Liquid E sports organization.
35:56
They offered a mythic plus tournament for marginalized
36:02
genders. And I, my team came in second
36:04
place in that tournament, which was super, super exciting.
36:08
But I remember spending weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks
36:13
training, training like like this is football practicing,
36:17
practicing these key levels. Because of the time the the
36:19
tournament realm was open, the Blizzard had, I think it must
36:23
have been MDI that maybe was, was coming up soon.
36:26
And even if we weren't participating MDI, we were able
36:28
to log on to the the tournament realm.
36:31
So you get to create your key level, you get to decide the
36:34
affix you want to practice and all this stuff.
36:37
I would do that. And and we were practicing Ruby
36:39
life pulls. So here's another example and
36:41
Ruby life pulls. I believe it was an 18 or a 19
36:43
that we were practicing and that season nineteens and some 20s,
36:48
if I remember correctly, were title range.
36:50
So it was a really high key. The damage was really high.
36:54
And that very first boss, the boss at, Oh gosh, the very, the
36:59
very first boss of, of Ruby life poles there, there's a cadence
37:03
to it. It's a very like rinse and
37:04
repeat. But you have to know how to
37:05
handle all those mechanics because it's like 1 hard hitting
37:08
mechanic into the next hard hitting mechanic.
37:11
And you are going to run out of defenses if you use them, if you
37:14
try to use them for everything back-to-back to back.
37:16
You had to space everything out. And I was having a hard time
37:21
healing that successfully, like consistently, you know, we would
37:25
go and we killed that boss. Everything's great.
37:26
The next time we practice that dungeon, oh, we all flop over.
37:29
We have to reset the dungeon because I couldn't heal through
37:31
it. And so I remember reaching out
37:32
to another wrestler, Druid at the time, who on the live
37:35
servers had already timed that key.
37:37
And I said, hey, here's our cop. This is what we're running for
37:40
this for this tournament. What do you do with your healing
37:44
cooldowns and with the available externals and group defensives
37:48
in your group? Those are the kinds of questions
37:50
that if someone is looking to get into higher keys, Those are
37:55
the questions I think you should be asking if you see that there
37:57
is a pain point in either a particular dungeon or a
38:01
particular fight or a particular trash pole in a dungeon talking
38:06
to other people because they basically sent me at the time it
38:09
was method raid tools or Exorsus raid tools for those who used it
38:12
back and wand Exorsus and he sent me his basically his
38:17
cooldown list. Hey, I use convoke at this
38:19
point. We you, you know, the warlock
38:22
uses unending resolve for this one with the timestamps of the
38:25
fight. It was very similar to it felt
38:26
like rating in a way where you're mapping out this like 8
38:29
minute fight, you know, and, and whose cooldowns are being used
38:31
where. And obviously this level of, of,
38:36
of detail is much different than when you're trying to go, let's
38:40
say from like a 12 + 12 to like plus 13 or plus 14 range.
38:45
But it's this idea that you're reaching out to other people,
38:48
you're watching people stream. And again, long winded answer,
38:51
but something else following this up that I that I did 'cause
38:55
I one day I was like, who, who do I watch?
38:57
Like, where do I find these people who are doing these keys?
38:59
I got Larry is over there telling me to like, you know, go
39:03
and watch another major's time or whatever class you play.
39:06
Where do you find those people? I found them on Raider IOI just
39:09
stumbled across this. So that season that I was like,
39:13
oh, hey, we're pushing, we're pushing higher keys now.
39:14
I have no idea what I'm doing. I went to Raider IO and they you
39:18
can sort, there's a list of of players.
39:22
Basically it's based on their score and you can organize it by
39:25
spec and class. So obviously I went into the
39:29
rest or Druids and I looked at the long, long list of people
39:31
and in that long list it will you can.
39:36
I'm trying to remember now because this is a couple years
39:38
ago. Either in that list immediately
39:40
it will show you if they stream, it'll have like a little icon or
39:45
honestly, just start clicking on random names.
39:46
Click on I I don't know. It doesn't even have to be the
39:48
top 10 if you don't get, you know, or click on, though it
39:50
could be halfway down the list or at the bottom part of the
39:53
list. Click on some names, go to their
39:56
radar IO profile and the people who link their twitch to their
40:00
profile, you can just click on that and it'll bring you right
40:03
to their twitch page. So again, this is a little bit
40:05
of research. I should mention I'm also a
40:08
librarian. I, I do a lot of information
40:10
organization and, and maybe this is this is what gave me the
40:13
idea, but I just remember spending an afternoon going
40:17
through following all these different restor druids and that
40:20
way I could get the notifications when they were
40:22
live on twitch. Go and watch them.
40:24
And then from there you start, you start asking them questions.
40:28
Even if you're maybe a little trepidatious about asking the
40:31
questions, just watching what they're doing, maybe you can
40:33
glean something from that. And as you said, these are
40:36
streamers. They want to interact with the
40:38
audience. So like, they they not only
40:43
value your question, they're almost like begging for it
40:47
without actually asking. So like, yeah, I I do love that.
40:51
So you've got the radar IO to find people that you can use as
40:55
resources. And like, I also think that one
40:59
thing to highlight from what you were saying is that like knowing
41:03
where your pain point is and be like, OK, this is a pain point.
41:06
So you can focus on that rather than be like, how do I deal with
41:09
this dungeon? Which is not a good question to
41:12
bring to anybody, let alone a streamer in the middle of
41:14
things. Knowing like what how do you
41:16
handle this fight? That is that's a big thing as
41:18
well. I love that.
41:21
Has being a librarian helped you in other things in Warcraft just
41:25
because you brought that up? I, I think so I, I've always
41:30
been pretty good about research and just sorting through
41:33
information. I'm a pretty organized person to
41:35
begin with and it's kind of why my content on, you know, on
41:40
stream, but also the other projects that I do like I, I
41:43
edit the, the raid guides on mythic trap, for example.
41:46
Mythic trap is now managed by Warcraft logs.
41:49
It was started by somebody who, and now they kind of like
41:52
partnered up basically like Warcraft Logs took over.
41:54
I, I, I go through and I edit those.
41:57
So there's a guide writer I go through, I make sure everything
41:59
is consistent, succinct, etcetera.
42:05
I think it's helped me with that.
42:06
It's helped me with my own content on YouTube.
42:09
I started, I started making YouTube content originally.
42:13
I wasn't a streamer. That was not where I started and
42:16
it was because I was again, pre, pre mythic plus, really, I was
42:22
a, a cutting edge Raider and at the time for a long time restor
42:26
druid. I feel like if you count the
42:27
seasons, like restor Druid has been meta for many, many, many
42:30
seasons across the expansions. And at the at this time, I could
42:35
really only find restor Druid content that was from mythic
42:38
plus. So I was like, Oh well, OK, I'll
42:39
just make, I'm doing all this research myself.
42:42
Why don't I put it into a video and try to convey that
42:45
information that way. I, I try to rephrase information
42:51
maybe or, or kind of frame it in a way that might be a bit
42:56
different than how it shows up in, in blue post from Blizzard
42:59
or how it might show up in the, in a dungeon journal or things
43:02
like that. I if, if you can't tell, I, I
43:04
try to use a lot of anecdotes and a lot of personal
43:07
experiences because for me personally, when I'm learning
43:10
something, I can't just, you know, if someone, if someone
43:14
copy paste their talent build and they go here, here you go
43:16
Laria, take this. I take, I, I can take that
43:20
talent build, but then I go, OK, but why do I take this?
43:23
And what about this one? And why?
43:25
Like why? What's the why behind that?
43:27
So I guess to answer your question, I think not only do I
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do the research, I try to provide the answers as to why
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because I think that will help people.
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I don't know if absorb the information is the right word,
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but maybe help help it stick a little bit better.
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As a person who is very much about why being able to
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contextualize information, what is, is so important that that is
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the why. It's like, OK, I've got AB and
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C. It's like, well, why A?
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And then why B? Like, yeah.
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And then that'll help me make decisions like, oh, I've moved
44:00
and I can't do C. It's like, should I go back to
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A? No, no, no, you do C next
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because B gave a buff towards C or something along those lines.
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And yeah, I, I do think that being able to contextualize
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information is big on everything.
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Take that for not just mythic plus or as we're saying, but
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like just in general if you want to understand your class better.
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So then along those lines, are there any pointers, let's say
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last pointers that you would give to people who are just
44:28
trying to improve in general or specifically for improving A
44:31
mythic plus? For healers in particular, I
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guess I'll speak to healers because that's because that's
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primarily what I play. That's what I mean, all right,
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and this is this is going to bring up a topic that I I feel
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like the the wow community in general was very split over for
44:47
for many, many, many months. I'm going to start by saying I
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overall I am team no add-ons and I will I will link this to what
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I'm going to say in a moment about healers and and tips.
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And with that said, while I try to have AUI that doesn't use a
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ton of add-ons, there are a couple that I think are
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necessary. And I think it's having really
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good party and raid frames as a healer.
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That is really the bones that like hold holds everything else
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up as a healer, especially the higher up that you get in in key
45:26
level, key level range. Right now, I think at the time
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of this video, the default raid frames and party frames are not
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customizable enough, or at least on, at least for restor Druids
45:42
in particular. Restor Druids have a lot of hot
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Hots that you need to track. And then there's a way that it
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interacts with your mastery. The more Hots you have on a
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person, it, it, it works for your mastery cause the more
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healing that those Hots are going to do, the more you have
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on one person, if that makes sense.
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So exactly, yes. So it, it just gets really
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tricky for a class that can very easily have 5 Hots on one
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person. And so with that said, my 1 tip
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is to make sure that you use party frames.
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If we're talking about Mythic plus, for example, that work for
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you. I am going to shout out grid 2
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because I started using grid two last summer, summer 2025 and it
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has been incredible. It's been a super solid add on
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and I've been using it basically since I think week one or two of
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midnight. I should also say the experience
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I'm talking about is in the pre patch of of the war within
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leading up to midnight. So those those six weeks or so
46:46
that we had, I used zero add-ons.
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I continued to to get cutting, cutting it.
46:53
I don't know if it was cutting edge at that point.
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Mythic with mythic grade clearing the raid on mythic,
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we'll say, because it was technically pre patch with, with
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0 add-ons, just using the base raid frames and the base party
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frames for my keys every week. And so I'm kind of comparing it
47:06
to that experience. I wanted to get enough
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experience using no add-ons that I could say, all right, this is
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working for me in the content that I do regularly.
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This is not working. And raid frames.
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That was really a like a pain point.
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I am the only healer on my raid team right now with the raid
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team that has not had any issues tracking dispels.
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I think that was a really big topic that came up in the
47:31
community when Blizzard was posting updates about, again, I
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think leading up to the war within or midnight pre patch
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rather toward the end of that expansion when they were making
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tweaks and changes to the default UI and things like that.
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I've never had any issues with dispels.
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Grid 2 tracks it beautifully. My hots show up, there's there's
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no issue. And so I just think whether you
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use grid 2 or, or something else that works for you, I've heard
47:57
Dander's kind of thrown around a little bit.
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If you use that, you know, it's, it's whatever you end up using.
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Just make sure that it works for you.
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You see the information that you need personally to track.
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Because I'm going to go slightly off topic again real quick that
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I'll link back. It reminds me of weak auras.
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And obviously we don't have weak auras anymore.
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But when we did, I feel like a lot, a lot of people would just
48:19
kind of import these massive beck weak aura packs, tracking
48:26
every every buff you could and and ability you can possibly
48:29
imagine. And they would like plop it
48:31
right in the middle of their screen or off to the side of the
48:32
screen or wherever you put it. And and if that's you, totally
48:36
fine. But when I did that, I was it
48:39
was like information overload because I didn't need to track
48:43
all those things. So I realized that there were
48:45
certain buffs sold the forest, for example, as a rest or dirt.
48:49
I want to know when I have that I need to make it super clear
48:51
when I have that, you know, another one might be my abundant
48:56
stacks. How many rejuice do I have out?
48:57
What is that? You know, a caps at 12, AM I at
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8 or am I at 10? You know, what am I at 2?
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Do I need to put out more rejuice?
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So tracking those kinds of things are really helpful.
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And so I think when it comes to raid and party frames as a
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healer, just make sure that it has the information that you
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personally as a player need to track, because I don't, I don't
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think like many like what you track as let's say you're
49:21
playing restoration, What you decide to track might be
49:24
different than what I need to track.
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And I might track something that you're like, oh, what, why does
49:28
Larry need to track that? I know all the time when I have
49:30
that, you know, I think we just our attention is a little bit,
49:34
we everybody plays differently and we're able to keep track of
49:37
different things. Again, it's all it all comes
49:39
down to information organization, I think, but
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that's the biggest thing. No matter what your stance is on
49:45
the add-ons, whether you're like, Nope, I want an add-ons
49:47
free UI. I think that's great.
49:49
But really as a healer, it comes down to having really, really
49:52
good party frames. You calling it out as a
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customization thing is big because of like the difference
49:59
between how you would play as a rest of Druid versus anybody
50:02
else in that same spec and dungeon and so forth.
50:04
That's a big thing if people want to find like your work and
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what what you do, where can we find you around the Internet?
50:12
I am primarily on Twitch. I I guess you'd call me a part
50:16
time streamer. I, I stream two to three days a
50:17
week, usually in the evenings Eastern Time zone, although
50:21
occasionally you'll see me on the weekends.
50:23
I what I've started doing over the last few months is leaning
50:27
more into a more general informational content on YouTube
50:32
where it's not only healing content, but it's just
50:36
information in general, whether that is summing up blue posts
50:40
or, you know, housing content, what's changing and things like
50:42
that. Just trying to share information
50:45
with the community, but framing it in a little bit of a
50:48
different way so that it's more either more accessible or, you
50:51
know, whatever it might be. And then I'm also on socials.
50:54
I try really hard to post different forms of content that
50:58
is not just like taking clips and just posting, you know,
51:01
because people who see stream, yeah, while they might want to
51:03
re, I don't know, revisit maybe some funny moments.
51:06
I try to make sure that each of my platforms has its own content
51:10
in a way. So primarily Twitch, but I'm
51:14
also elsewhere. I'm really glad that we got to
51:19
you get some of the information that you're putting out over
51:21
here. Of course, I've been in a few of
51:23
your streams. I think I really I followed you
51:27
on Instagram. I'm not sure the fit of the day
51:29
is exactly helping me, but it looks amazing.
51:32
So thank you for that. But again, thank you for coming
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on the show today. And until next time guys, may
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all your hits be good.