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Steve Price | 23 August · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. We're going to Friday Nights
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  Speaker 1: Steve Price with you. A huge day today, of course
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  Speaker 1: in US politics, the official endorsement of Kamala Harris as
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  Speaker 1: the Democrat candidate to take on Donald Trump, all the
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  Speaker 1: usual American style hoopla to take you to Chicago shortly
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  Speaker 1: for a full update on that, but coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Also a big day in union politics right here at home,
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  Speaker 1: with the Labor government in Canberra finally moving on the
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  Speaker 1: millet and Construction arm of the CFNU, the Attorney General
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  Speaker 1: Mark Dreyfus appointing administrators and what's that mean for the
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  Speaker 1: Australian building industry. We'll find out later in the program.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a gambler. I'm not a gambler. I should
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  Speaker 1: say I have a tab account. I use it once
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  Speaker 1: a year. I can't even remember the pin number. But
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  Speaker 1: problem gambling is, we are told, a national problem, a
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  Speaker 1: national cancer. But is banning advertising of online gambling the answer?
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  Speaker 1: Or should there be another way? One academic thinks the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that question is yes. Sinclair Davidson will join
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  Speaker 1: us up next and Friday Laughs with Herald Sun cartoons.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Knight with his cartoons of the week, plus our
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  Speaker 1: panel on the work from Home case that finally showed
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  Speaker 1: some common sense. But first, talking of common sense, where
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  Speaker 1: is it when you need it? In our tortured debate
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  Speaker 1: surrounding renewable energy and Australia's future. Needs to keep the
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  Speaker 1: lights on now. Obviously we have the debate around nuclear
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  Speaker 1: energy that will be front and center during the upcoming
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  Speaker 1: federal election campaign. There is a clear difference in our
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  Speaker 1: two parties, with Federal Labor Anti nuke and Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 1: all in on our nuclear future. Now. Just this week
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  Speaker 1: we saw Labor endorse the end of a mining lease
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  Speaker 1: for mining uranium in the Northern Territory at a mine
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of Kakadu National Park. It seems it's
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  Speaker 1: okay to dig it up elsewhere loaded onto ships to
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  Speaker 1: power foreign nuclear power plants, but on the other side
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  Speaker 1: of the world not here. Now, tell me in what
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  Speaker 1: universe that makes any sense? Now the Northern Territory mind Jabaluka,
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  Speaker 1: which is not operating, but the lease was there in place,
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  Speaker 1: and it had been there and they were seeking a
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  Speaker 1: ten year lease extension that was denied. Now, the ABC
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  Speaker 1: reporting on this said it was a great win for
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  Speaker 1: the local Mara people. These are the ABC words quote,
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  Speaker 1: shielding them from any future expanded uranium mining under the
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  Speaker 1: coalition's nuclear power policy. We see where this is going.
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  Speaker 1: It's politics. I presume that also shields them from any
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  Speaker 1: of the potential hundreds of jobs that might have come
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  Speaker 1: with the mine in a remote place where there are
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  Speaker 1: not many jobs. One thought for a moment that federal
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  Speaker 1: labor might have been keen on jobs for remote Indigenous communities,
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  Speaker 1: but clearly not if they support anything to do with
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  Speaker 1: the new clear industry. Now, what's their slogan made in Australia?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it their slogan easier just to dig the stuff
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  Speaker 1: up export a lot of it doesn't suit your political agenda.
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  Speaker 1: It's pathetic really. Also this week Environment Minister Tanya Pliboset
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  Speaker 1: was out of again. She overruled a local indigenous community
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  Speaker 1: near Orange in New South Wales, on the say of
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  Speaker 1: one woman, to cancel a billion dollar gold mine because
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  Speaker 1: the region it's claimed was the scene of some territory
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  Speaker 1: wars between Aboriginal tribes and early settlers. A kid, you
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  Speaker 1: not so. In the space of a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of multimillion dollar projects blown up despite locals
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  Speaker 1: being largely in favor of them going ahead. Tanya's federal seat,
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  Speaker 1: of course, as we know, is based around King's Cross
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  Speaker 1: and Darlinghurst in Sydney, perfect place for an environment minister
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  Speaker 1: ruling on remote lines to hang about. Then this and
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  Speaker 1: compare this with what I've just told you. Yan Coal
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  Speaker 1: is a Chinese back coal miner, and it's aiming to
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  Speaker 1: make an offer for Anglo Americans Australian local coal division
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  Speaker 1: with a price tag of around seven point four billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars that would make this Chinese outfit one of the
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  Speaker 1: big top three still making coal producers in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that for a second. We are tying ourselves
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  Speaker 1: in knots over climate change, and yet China just keeps
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  Speaker 1: burning coal twenty four hours a day, making steel and
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  Speaker 1: selling it back to us. Are we stupid? Seriously? We
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  Speaker 1: want to shut every coal fired power station in the
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  Speaker 1: nation and allow a China back company to buy Anglo,
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  Speaker 1: which on the latest figures produces fifteen million ton of
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  Speaker 1: coal a year with plans to get to twenty million
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  Speaker 1: ton in two years. We shut coal fired power stations,
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  Speaker 1: Anglo digs up twenty million ton to sell to the
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  Speaker 1: Chinese crazy stuff. Now, just before I get into the
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  Speaker 1: gambling ad debate. And I really don't want to spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time on the US election tonight, but
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  Speaker 1: I watched the Kamala Harris acceptance speech at the Democrat convention,
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  Speaker 1: well most of it anyway. Now, if she wins, she
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  Speaker 1: might be an okay president, but we don't know because
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  Speaker 1: she basically did nothing during the four years as vice president,
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  Speaker 1: including trying to fix the southern border, which was her job. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe she will surprise us all. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, today's big speech started, of course, with the
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  Speaker 1: normal lefty endorsement. She started had she had a musician
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  Speaker 1: pink there, and then appeared with the annoying toothy smile
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  Speaker 1: and the finger pointing at well, who knows who she's
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  Speaker 1: pointing out, have a look. We then had the typical
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  Speaker 1: American hokey. I was a happy child. My mum and
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  Speaker 1: dad split up, and mum rented a little cottage in
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  Speaker 1: a suburb full of fireman and policeman thanking. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: President Joe Biden, who wasn't even in the room, have
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  Speaker 1: let me start.
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  Speaker 2: By thanking my most incredible husband to our President Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 2: When I think about the path that we have traveled together, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I am filled with gratitude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't point it Joe because he wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: Then of course came the Trump slap, calling him not
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  Speaker 1: a serious person.
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  Speaker 2: In many ways, Donald Trump is an unserious man. But
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  Speaker 2: the consequences, but the consequences of putting Donald Trump back
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  Speaker 2: in the White House are extremely serious.
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  Speaker 1: And the promises came thick and fast, including a promise
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  Speaker 1: to fix America's housing crisis.
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  Speaker 2: We will end America's housing shortage.
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  Speaker 1: What hasn't she been in with the Biden Democrats. Haven't
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  Speaker 1: they been in charge for the last four years? Why
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  Speaker 1: didn't she fix it while she was the second most
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  Speaker 1: powerful American on the planet. I'll get us correspondent Adam
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  Speaker 1: Crichton's view from Chicago shortly as I said, Australia's having
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  Speaker 1: a debate right now about sports betting and advertising. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton's got a policy to look at a ban.
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  Speaker 1: The Commath government is being pushed by the Teals and
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  Speaker 1: anti gambling advocates to ban gambling ads completely. Now look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not one for bands and no one that I
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  Speaker 1: have seen is talking about what happens, for example, to
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  Speaker 1: junior sport in this country if gaming sponsorship completely disappears,
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  Speaker 1: and what sort of bomb would go off in media
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  Speaker 1: companies with the job losses that would follow. In my view,
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  Speaker 1: there needs to be some sort of middle ground. Professor
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  Speaker 1: of economics at r MIT, Sinclair Davison, who has consulted
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  Speaker 1: to Responsible Wagering Australia and wrote a piece in the
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  Speaker 1: Financial Review, joins me, thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: What's the evidence that advertising of gambling is driving a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous habit for kids? Children?
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  Speaker 4: I would say wishful thinking. We always hear whenever there
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  Speaker 4: is something that sort of skulls and kill joys don't
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  Speaker 4: want and don't like, is think of the children. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I have been thinking of the children. And do you
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  Speaker 4: know children gamble all the time. They play board games
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  Speaker 4: with dice now, and if you're throwing a dice, you're gambling.
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  Speaker 4: If you are trading cards, you're gambling. If you're playing
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  Speaker 4: computer games with loot boxes in them, you're gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they're not gambling for money, but nonetheless these are
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  Speaker 4: games of chance, and gambling is already normalized throughout our
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  Speaker 4: entire society gambling.
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  Speaker 3: We as a species have been gambling for centuries.
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  Speaker 4: So this whole think of the children is sort of
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  Speaker 4: a tug at our heartstrings, you know, sort of be
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  Speaker 4: irresponsible adult, But in actual fact, it's just silliness. It's
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  Speaker 4: the kind of silliness we always see.
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  Speaker 1: The critics are saying, Sinclair that gaming ads during the
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  Speaker 1: time of live sport is what they're most concerned about.
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  Speaker 1: That younger children are looking at that and not concentrating
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  Speaker 1: on the game itself, but worrying about whether they've had
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  Speaker 1: a bet, whether it's going to come to fruition or not.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen that in my experience. But is there
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  Speaker 1: any evidence to show that that's happening.
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  Speaker 4: Not that I'm aware of, not that I've seen. After all,
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  Speaker 4: children are not allowed to gamble on e gambling platforms,
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  Speaker 4: they're not allowed to go into casinos.
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  Speaker 3: So we actually have.
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  Speaker 4: Pretty strict laws about all of these things, and to
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  Speaker 4: the best of my knowledge, they have been enforced. So
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  Speaker 4: it's a scare campaign, the kind of scare campaign we
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  Speaker 4: normally see up I've seen no real evidence at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned a middle ground. I mean, would you allow
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  Speaker 1: open slaver advertising or would you wind it back? Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe there's some sort of middle area here.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we don't have open slather advertising even now. So
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  Speaker 4: at the end of every single gambling ad you will
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  Speaker 4: see a disclaimer how much are you losing?
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  Speaker 3: Think about this.
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  Speaker 4: The ANTIQ gambling lobby run their own ads, so in
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  Speaker 4: actual fact we have a healthy exchange of views, debates
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  Speaker 4: and the gambling edge themselves are already truncated. So I
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  Speaker 4: don't actually see that we have openslaver. I don't see
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  Speaker 4: there's anything wrong with advertising. I don't ever at any time, because,
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  Speaker 4: as you say, media companies rely on those advertising I
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  Speaker 4: watch a lot of football on KO. Now, if they
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  Speaker 4: were to take off all those gambling adverts, I'd have
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  Speaker 4: to pay more for watching sports on KO. Now we've
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  Speaker 4: got a cost of living crisis. Why are we saying
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  Speaker 4: to people you should pay more? Why are we saying
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  Speaker 4: to media companies when the economy is already tanking?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, you're going to earn less.
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  Speaker 4: What are we going to say to all those people
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  Speaker 4: who are unemployed because of some sort of scare campaign
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  Speaker 4: around thinking about the children?
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  Speaker 1: We ban smoking advertising, but we don't ban advertising a
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  Speaker 1: fast food. We don't ban advertising of alcohol. We don't
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  Speaker 1: ban advertising of fast cars. Now, when I looked like
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  Speaker 1: there are more people dying from eating too much fast food,
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  Speaker 1: drinking and driving, being involved in domestic bonds, whatever it
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  Speaker 1: might be. So how far do you go when you
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  Speaker 1: start talking about banning things.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you've got to think where does this actually end?
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  Speaker 4: Because it's easy to say, well, okay, we're going to
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  Speaker 4: ban smoking. We all know smoking is really bad for you.
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  Speaker 4: And then we say, well, should we really be promoting
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  Speaker 4: fast food at a sporting event?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 4: When I go to the football, I see a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people drinking beer and eating fish and chirps and
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  Speaker 4: hamburgers and things like this. These are the things that
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  Speaker 4: people who go to the football consume. And if you're
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  Speaker 4: an advertiser, you want to be aiming your product at
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  Speaker 4: customers who are going to buy it. So we're just
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  Speaker 4: going to have health foods, We're just going to have
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  Speaker 4: vitamins being advertised at the football.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense of it.
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  Speaker 1: You seem like a lonely voice, though. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: is every teal in the Federal Parliament, for example, is
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  Speaker 1: on board this. I was driving up the Nepean Highway today,
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  Speaker 1: Zoe's annuals, the local memory of that area had a
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  Speaker 1: very expensive flashing billboard that is costing a huge amount
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  Speaker 1: of money saying ban sports gambling.
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  Speaker 3: So I hope she's using renewable energy for.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I doubt that somehow. So why do you think
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  Speaker 1: that all of these tals have got involved in.
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  Speaker 4: They've been in the Parliament for nearly three years. They've
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  Speaker 4: got to show something. I can't honestly put my hand
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  Speaker 4: on my heart and say they've made any contribution to
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  Speaker 4: the economy or democracy in Australia. So coming up to
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  Speaker 4: an election, no doubt in the next six months or so,
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  Speaker 4: and Zobe Daniel's going to have to say, well, here's
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  Speaker 4: an achievement. Well, the achievement is actually going to be
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  Speaker 4: crowding out young kids playing junior sports. I think back
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  Speaker 4: to the days when we band tobacco advertising. All those
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  Speaker 4: major sports that used to have tobacco advertising very quickly
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  Speaker 4: got other advertising. Yes, but what about the sports that those.
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  Speaker 3: People were previously sponsoring.
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  Speaker 4: So it's all very well saying kids should play the
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  Speaker 4: game and not play the odds, But if you're a
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  Speaker 4: kid who's playing an unpopular sport or not an elite
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  Speaker 4: sport or in a lower league. Where's the sponsorship for
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  Speaker 4: you going to come from? Just think of netball. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I was horrified to think that a sport like netball,
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  Speaker 4: a woman's netball is huge, huge, was struggling for sponsorship.
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  Speaker 4: And at the same time, you know, Gina Reinhardt really
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  Speaker 4: stepped up there and she does a great job in
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  Speaker 4: all sports in Australia. We shouldn't be relying on one
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  Speaker 4: single billionaire's charity and kindness to be sponsoring sport in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: We're a sporting nation.
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  Speaker 1: What about the impact on media, Well.
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought that advertising is the lifeblood of
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  Speaker 4: media when we live in a world where you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of media is going offline, it's going online,
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  Speaker 4: where advertising is becoming harder and harder. Media needs those
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  Speaker 4: each and every single one of those advertising dollars. And
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  Speaker 4: you kind of think Zobe Daniel worked for the ABC.
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  Speaker 4: She's never had to earn an advertising dollar in her
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  Speaker 4: whole life, whereas everybody else who actually does media that
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  Speaker 4: people want to watch is struggling.
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  Speaker 1: And why should just finally, do you think there is
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  Speaker 1: a solution in the middle somewhere because obviously the Coalition
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  Speaker 1: are talking about a ban of some sort the government
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  Speaker 1: is keen to embrace it. Might we limit the amount
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  Speaker 1: of advertising during the actual televising of live sport, or
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  Speaker 1: would we take it out of television viewing times when
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  Speaker 1: young people might be watching.
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  Speaker 3: Actually no, I would do none of those.
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  Speaker 4: I would actually say to all our politicians stop picking
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  Speaker 4: on the little people. People gamble on sports as a
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  Speaker 4: form of entertainment. They're actually enhancing their enjoyment.
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  Speaker 1: And just on that, I mean, they can't stop you
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  Speaker 1: getting onto an international gambling.
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  Speaker 4: You're not so you actually want to be gambling if
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  Speaker 4: you are gambling with reputable people, people who advertise in
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  Speaker 4: Australian media, who are more likely to be reputable than not. So,
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  Speaker 4: I would say to our friends in camera, actually do
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  Speaker 4: your jobs. Focus on the economy, do something about inflation,
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  Speaker 4: do something about housing, and leave the little people to
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  Speaker 4: enjoy their lives the way they want to.
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  Speaker 1: Sin Claire very much, thank you for coming in. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much, Cleia Davison. Well, as we've seen a
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  Speaker 1: huge week in American politics. We've had the Democrats in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago at their national convention. They wrapped up today, I
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  Speaker 1: watched most of Kamala Kamala Harris's speech. Throughout the week,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen the likes of President Joe Biden, Barack and
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  Speaker 1: Michelle Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, even had Oprah Winfrey
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  Speaker 1: take to the stage. But today it was all about
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  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris for more. I'm joined now by The Australian's
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  Speaker 1: Washington correspondent's traveled to Chicago, Adam Crichton. Adam, what did
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  Speaker 1: you make of all the hoopla? Was it as exciting
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  Speaker 1: and as dynamic as it looked from a distance.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, it was a very slick operation. I think
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  Speaker 5: Democrats would be very happy with it, I must say.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't as exciting, at least for me
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  Speaker 5: as the Republican Convention a few weeks ago, which of
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  Speaker 5: course happened in the wake of the near assassination of
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump. But nevertheless, it was very smooth, lots of
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  Speaker 5: good speed, and I'd have to say Kamala Harris's speech
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  Speaker 5: was pretty good, I thought tonight.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's hard to fault a rhetorical level. She
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  Speaker 6: delivered it well.
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  Speaker 5: It was a good length, about forty minutes, certainly much
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  Speaker 5: less than the ninety minutes that the Trump droned on
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  Speaker 5: for it is so journalists were grateful that they could
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  Speaker 5: get home before midnight.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, she hit all the right notes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the criticism I would have is that there,
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's very little policy in the Democratic Party platform,
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  Speaker 5: and I thought she may have released something in the speech,
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  Speaker 5: but she didn't. You know, she stuck to the very
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  Speaker 5: well shod path for Democrats of talking about the lack
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  Speaker 5: of abortion rights in the US and the supposed assault
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  Speaker 5: on women by the Republican Party. She talked a bit
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  Speaker 5: about housing. You know, she threw a bone to the
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  Speaker 5: left of.
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  Speaker 6: The party, the left of the Democrat Party on Israel.
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  Speaker 5: She called for a sea spy and now immediate ceaspire,
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  Speaker 5: and she dwelt a little on.
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  Speaker 6: The devastation in Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's unlikely to satisfy the left of the party,
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  Speaker 5: but at least it was something. But really the speech
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  Speaker 5: was more of the same, but with a much fresher,
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  Speaker 5: younger face. You know, she clearly looked very happy. She
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  Speaker 5: spoke well, she looked good. I mean, it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to fault from you know, from a political
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  Speaker 5: theatrics perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing Oprah there, you just wonder why they didn't choose her.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she'd win in a candor. But look, you've
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  Speaker 1: been in the US for a while a while now.
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  Speaker 1: I said at the top of the show that as
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  Speaker 1: an Australian watching it in an Australian context back here,
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  Speaker 1: you do feel a bit cringe worthy with They always
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  Speaker 1: go back to, you know, we lived in a small
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  Speaker 1: house mum had to rent. You know, we're in a
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  Speaker 1: little neighborhood with fireman so she could mention firemen and
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  Speaker 1: then police officers and mowing the lawn. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 1: got all that stuff. Does that Does that sell well
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  Speaker 1: in the heartland of America where this election Adam is
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  Speaker 1: actually going to be fought.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I mean it's a good point.
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking the same thing today actually, because I
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: think she said, or at least someone said, that she
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: had a working class.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Background, which is pretty ridiculous.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, her father is a professor of economics at Stanford,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: which is extremely elite, and her mother was an Indian scientist.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: And don't quote me on this, but I think Brahman
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: cast Indian, which is not a low class.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: Position in India. So you know, she went to good
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: schools and things.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: So I mean, I think the notion that she's working
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: class is somewhat ridiculous. You know, you'd certainly say middle class,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: but she but certainly the speech dwelt a lot on that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really see anything in her upbringing
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: that was you know, particularly you know, particularly bad or anything,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: or any great kind of adversity that she faced. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe people will buy it. And certainly, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: compared to Donald Trump, there's no question she know she
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: had a higher upbringing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Compared to that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: But yeah, look, it's all about the vibe. It's all
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: about abstract nouns freedom and joy. I mean, you know
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: we saw with Obama he had you know, he had
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: hope and change in two thousand and eight, and that
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: worked for him. You know, he got eight years in
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: the White House. Well this time it's freedom and joy.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: So let's see if that works for Harris.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to talk about a tough upbringing,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: read jd Vance's book, because I know you have, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: so I and that's what you talk about being a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: tough upbringing. I mean, she's got to lay off that
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: stuff a bit. I was a bit intrigued where she
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: started talking about housing and said that, oh, well, we're
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: going to fix America's housing crisis. Hasn't she been vice
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: president for the last three and a half years.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, it's worth pointing here.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, the level of house price appreciation of the
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: US has been extraordinary in the last three or four years,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I think thirty something percent in just that short period
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: of time, and so a lot of them, a lot
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: of Americans are very angry about that. As you can imagine,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: the average house prime median house price rather has gone
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: up to something like five hundred thousand US dollars, which
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: is a lot of money for the typical American.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: And of course that's that's been.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: The result of, you know, the hundreds of billions of
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: new dollars that have been injected into the economy by
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the Biden administration, which, of course, as you say, she's
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: part of, I mean, the whole inflationary experience that has
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: been so damaging to ordinary people in this country was
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: really the result in large part of her administration.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: And I think Americans.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Would you know, would observe Joe Biden, and they probably
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: thought that for a vice president, she probably had a
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: greater role in those policies than that most Vice presidents
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: would have given, you know, given his obvious cognitive declient.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: So the challenge for the Party is to try to
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: separate her from that, and you know, that's what they're
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: trying to do. They're trying to blame inflation on big,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: greedy corporations, and that's why they've introduced this so called
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: price gouging policy, which is a bit of a thought
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: bubble really and you know, of course will ever happen,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: So they've tried to blame others on that. There's very
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: little substance to the campaign. I mean, it's really, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: more of the same, and we're not Donald Trump.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: That's pretty much it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Anything to read into the fact Joe Biden wasn't there, well.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: I know, his staff posted a pick of him looking at.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: The debate saying that he can't wait to watch it,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: although I think that's that's probably false because I mean
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: he'd obviously be very upset about the whole episode. But look,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, of course he spoke on the first night,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: but I mean his prominence at the four day convention
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: was basically zero by today.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, he was hardly mentioned at all.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, of course, Kamala Harris mentioned him very fleetingly
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: at the start. You know, she had to really morally
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: of course, because she you know, because he has created her.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: I mean remember she you know, she did really badly
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen when she herself ran for president.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: She didn't win a single state, It dropped out very early.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: And all this is the complete result of the fact
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: that he chose her for vice president. And now she's
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: you know, she's in this position and she could well
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: be the president in a few months.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Sitting there in Chicago, when you look at the polls,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: what does your experience tell you, Adam, about how accurate
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they are and or are they going to change radically
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: between now polling dat.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: The average of most reputable national polls is she's on
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: forty seven. I'm on forty three something, so about three
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: percentage points.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: That's pretty close.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we'll have a better read on
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: the outlook actually tomorrow when Robert F. Kennedy gives his
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: big press conference where the rumor is that he's going
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: to drop.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Out and back Donald Trump.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Now, the interesting question there is is he going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: campaign with Donald Trump? And I think if he does
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: campaign with Donald Trump, then that's a big problem for
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: the Democrats because he has, although it's small, he has
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: about five percentage points of support, and if three or
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: four of those went to.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Trump, that would be a big problem for Democrats.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Just finally, Springer, Donald Trump, we know that he watched
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the convention. His reaction was a little bit like mine.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Why didn't Kamala do more when she was in the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: White House? Have a quick listen to what he had
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to say after all of these things that she talked about,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to do this, we're going to do that,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: We're going to do everything.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: But she didn't do any of it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: She could have done it three and a half years ago,
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: She could do it tonight.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: She didn't talk about Shana, she didn't talk about cracking,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: she didn't talk about crime.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: Look, she's a Marxist, she always was, she always will be.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So obviously the mainstream media are going to report it differently.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: What was your interpretation on what Donald said after.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean I think he's right to make
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: the political point that you know that she's been part
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: of this administration, you know, so why hasn't she done
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: these things already?
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: I think it's a very very fair point. I think.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: You know, her next big test is obviously going to
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: be the first press conference she gives. You know, she's
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: she's been in this position now for four weeks or
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: so and she hasn't given one.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: She hasn't given one sit down interview. That's going to
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: be difficult.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: But she has reversed, she has reversed her positions on
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: all those crucial issues that Trump just said, and she's
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: going to have to explain that, which is going to
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: be difficult, especially on fracking because she was diametrically opposed
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: to it and the state of Pennsylvania is heavily dependent
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: on fracking and she needs to win that state. So
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: she's going to have to have a very good answer
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: for that, you know, for that one eighty she's taken.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing your coverage in the weekend Australian tomorrow.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Adam Briton, thanks a lot for joining us from Chicago.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Steve Bubbo.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Coming up on the program. Parts of the CFMU have
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: been forced into administration today. What the government's new laws
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: mean for the wider construction industry we will find out.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And calls for Queensland to be split into two again,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: still with North Queensland to become a separate state. Former
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Premier Campbell Newman sorts on that proposal. Up next, welcome
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: back to Steve Price with you. Don't forget Sky's coverage
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night of that election in the territory, in the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Let's bring in my Friday Night regular, former
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Queensland Premier. I'll make Campbell Newman great to see you again.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: The Bush Summit was on today. Career Mail sponsored it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It was in Townsville, a lot of it on Sky
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: News earlier PM. Was there, Peter Dutton was there. Interestingly,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Matt Canavan wrote a piece in the Career Today Campbell
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and I know for Queenslanders and you, this is an
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: old argument suggesting that North Queensland become a separate state.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Have you heard that line before? Do you think somewhere Campbell?
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, and indeed one of my former colleagues, a terrific
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: bloke by Sam Cox, who was one of the members
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: for the Townsville area, has been a strong advocate for this.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Look.
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: I'm not entirely sure, Steve, but I can tend now
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: this summer there are some good arguments for it. I mean, look,
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: just for who's to think about this, The distance as
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: an aircraft flies from Brisbane to Melbourne is exactly the
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: same as the distance from Brisbane to Cannes. So Queensland's
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: a very big place and geographically they've always felt up
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: north that they're not being listened to by Brisbane. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: they also feel that they contributed a huge amount to
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: the gross state product economically and that they're not getting
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: their share of the loot. So you know, I know
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: it might sound like more politicians and more government, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: actually I think the people in the north see it
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: as liberating themselves from the constraints of the people in
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: the south. And frankly, when I look around these days
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: at the sort of woke in a city sort of
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: viewpoints in Brisbane, I feel like I've got far more
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: affinity to the people in Townsville and Cans and Mackay
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: than living my local neighborhood.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you that, Yeah, given the size,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and given that example you give of the distance between
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Brisbane and Cans, it probably makes some sense. And then
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you look at Western Australia, they have a similar argument
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: now talking about and you brought it up woke inner
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: city people. The Environment Minister Tunya plibosect this week has
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: come under fire. She's jumped in and blocked. Can you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: believe this a billion dollar gold mine in central West
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: New South Wales. It's near Orange because of an indigenous
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: protection order. But apparently it's only one woman who's actually
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: complained about this. The local wor Adjuri elders say they
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: approved of the project. They've got no idea who made
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the complaint. Then we find out this morning the woman
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: who made the complaint likened central western New South Wales
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: with Gallipoli in terms of its historical importance because tribal
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: wars happened there between indigenous Aboriginal tribes and colonial settlers.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, can we not understand that the country
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is in a fair bit of economic mess and a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: billion dollar gold mine with the jobs attracted to it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be a bad idea.
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: Well, I think the decision itself needs a whole lot
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: of scrutiny. I'm not sure if these things in this
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: particular piece of legislation can be subject to judicial review,
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: but I think that should be looked at if it's possible.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: I also question whether perhaps it's one for the Anti Corruption.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Commission to have a look at as well.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: Not that I I know of anything specifically, but when
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: you've got a decision like this coming from left field,
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: it is very strange. But the thing I'd like to
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: say to Steve is the total inconsistency.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: I mean, there are renewable so called renewables.
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: Projects that are ramping up across Australia that had really
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: big environmental impacts, and yet they get way through. I mean,
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: my colleagues in the Libertarian Party, who's standing for the Senate,
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: Jim will moodel Block lay to pointing out to people
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: that in a few years time, if you get in
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: a boat and sail up the Queensland Case from Brisbane
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: to cans which I referred to before, at night, you
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: will just see on the mountaintops of the Ranges to
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: the west Inland from the coast, just the red lights
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: of all these wind farms, the flashing lights of these
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: massive towers two hundred and fifty three hundred meters tall.
• 28:53
  Speaker 9: That's environmental destruction, Steve. Biodiversity, scenic amenity being swept away
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: because somehow we've got to go net zero. And yet
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: the small impact of this gold mine is somehow now
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: a federal issue, Like it's really sus the way these
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: laws are being administered.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I agree, And I mean the same week that Plymouth's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: done this, she's ticked off on a I couldn't believe it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I had to do the numbers myselves because I don't
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: quite understand hectares. But a thirty thousand acre solar farm
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: on a dis used cattle station near Dartwell, long way
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: away from Darwin, that's going to have to be connected
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: with eight hundred kilometers of transmission lines that just gets
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: thrown wave through. I mean, who's to say what's along
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that eight hundred kilometer transmission line route that might not
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: need incur some complaint from Indigenous Australians. And the two
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: things just don't add up to do that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they don't add up. And there was a very
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: interesting graphic in the Australian newspaper and just to picture
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: it for people, the Australian Newspaper show the footprint of
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: this and compared it to the south side of Sydney
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: from the CBD down to Botany Bay east to the
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: Cliff Line from say Var Clues down to Maroubra and West,
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: probably towards Marrickville. You know, it's a massive, sort of
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: sized development. And then there's going to be a cable
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: going to Singapore and under sea cable. What about sort
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: of this songline issue we saw for yous to disrupt.
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: I know it's a different part of Australia, different aboriginal groups,
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: but like again, it's just the inconsistency. I mean, surely
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: this country is going to be irrevocably changed by this
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: solar project.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And I mean you make a very
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: good point about I'd never thought of going up the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: coast at night and looking at those lights on those
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Queensland hilltops. I mean that just sends shivers down just
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: bline Cam when you have and it was great to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: catch up. You have a very good weekend, won't. I'll
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: speak to you next Friday. Campbell joins us each Friday afternoon.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Now the Federal government, speaking of federal politics, past laws
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: finally forcing the construction and general divisions of the CFMAU
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: into administration that happened this morning, announced this morning, following
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: those allegations of intimidation and bullying, links to criminal gangs
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and motorcycle motorcycle gangs as well. The CFMAU is claiming
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: today they've discovered the union bosses were out of a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: job via the media. You can't imagine the rank and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: file are going to take this without some sort of
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: protest and what it will actually mean on building sites.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Let's find out from the executive director of the Master
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Builders Association at New South Wales, Brian Sidlerbrian, thank you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: for joining us on this Friday. What will this actually
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: mean on building sites?
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: In practice hard to say whether or not the removal
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: of the current regime will actually result in some sort
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: of protests on Sydney sites. However, what we have seen
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: is an extraordinary, I guess issue that has come up
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: in our industry that we have not seen over almost.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: A forty year period.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: So to put in an administrator to take over control
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: of the union's assets, to terminate the positions of two
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: hundred and seventy union delegates and officers across Australia is terribly,
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: terribly significant.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Potentially and I was trying to think this through today
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: when I heard what Drapus had done, and I'm still
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: surprised the Labor government did it, but they have potentially,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: does it make it harder perhaps to solve some disputes
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: on site. I mean members of your organization would I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: presume have had some good relationships with some senior union figures.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Those relationships now have disappeared. Does it make it a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: bit hard.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: Look, it's a really interesting point, Steve. Unfortunately, I can
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: say that the industry in New South Wales has been
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: subjected to some pretty horrific times in the last let's
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: say six months, where the CFMAU in New South Wales
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: has been pushing a particular patent enterprise agreement which prescribes
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: certain conditions and there was no negotiation. It was simply
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: if you don't comply, you'll have stoppages or we'll visit
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: jobs and will certainly make it difficult for you. Now
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: that's not a new tactic, that's.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Been with us for years.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: But earlier in twenty twenty two, the Australian Building and
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: Construction Commission was removed A significant piece of procurement policy,
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: such as the Building Code was removed, and so builders
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: in particularly New South Wales had nowhere to go. And
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: so for the first time, i'm in thirty five years,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: we had no regulator, whether it be a national regulator
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: or a state based regulator, and we had no code
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: of practice which was aimed at the behavior of contractors fundamentally,
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: and so the position was that they had no one
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: to back them up, so they simply had to acquiesce
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: to the approach by the union, which unfortunately has a
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: number of clauses, which says the union has the sole
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: right to veto whichever subcontractor a builder wishes to use.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: Simply says no, that contractor does not have an enterprise
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: agreement with the union, so they are unacceptable. So that's
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: at the heart of the problems with our enterprise bargaining system.
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: It was done under coercion. It was certainly signed under duress.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: I don't know too many contractors who would be happy
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: to say they signed their agreements without any problems. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: certainly what is happening is that builders are saying we
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: want to revisit our agreement. Now, that's not something that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: suddenly come up this morning as a result of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: administration being enacted. This has been around for some time
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: and saying that the clauses in the agreement are not
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: workable for business. They're not talking about removing wage rates
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: or lowering wage rates and conditions. They're talking about removing
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: a number of clauses and giving employees a right to
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: choose where their redundancy moneys go. That's what they want
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: to revisit. And indeed, we will have a game.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, I wouldn't want to be
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: one of those administrators. Just finally, we've seen a lot
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of builders that are going broke. Talking to a big
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: player in the game yesterday, he says there'll be more.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Just briefly, do you fear that might be the case?
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  Speaker 1: Look out?
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  Speaker 8: Unfortunately, the the reasons for builders going into liquidation are varied,
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: and there are many small business unfortunately, are on the
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: taking the brunt of this. And it's about capitalization, it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: about contracts, and it's also about margins, and historically the
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: builders are on very slim margins. Regardless of what people think,
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: builders are doing a lot of work on hardly any margin.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: And of course that will we only need a couple
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: of problems which will tip them over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian, great to catch up with you, Thank you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: very much. That's Brian's Sidler. There now still to come.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Employees still fighting to work from home permanently. My panel
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: sorts on a Fair Work Commission's latest ruling that's coming
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: up soon. But up next cartoonist Mark Knight with his
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: unique take in cartoons on the week's news. Welcome back
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to Price with you, Danika de Giorgio as usual, coming
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: up from after US with prime Time. Another massive week
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of news at home and overseas. Who better to go
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: through it than our favorite cartoon Australia's favorite cartoon is
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Smart Night. Great to see you, Pricey, Donald Trump. Kamala Harris,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: She's going to give you so much someone new to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: draw for the next few weeks. What have you driven on?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Drawn on Kamala? This Camela this week?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: The big thing the other day was when Joe got on.
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: Stage and he basically handed the baton over. But can
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: you imagine a relay with Joe, you know, coming towards you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It's got the walking frame. Yeah, I'll be sad.
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: To lose the frame, but I'll have to retire the
• 37:44
  Speaker 10: frame and we'll have to find some sort of you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: template for Kamela.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Are you happy with your Kamala? It builds?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Is she going to change a bit as we get
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: going along here? We'll just see what happens.
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: You know, something will happen and it'll sort of start
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: to define her and so the carricature will build.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: We're waiting. She hasn't been tested yet. She hasn't really
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: then you're tested. Now. We lost a great Australian this week, Cavia. Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: what did we see with? What did you draw on? Back?
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: Well, I must I drew so many cartoon I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: that's The Queen was Black Caviar's number one fan. Remember
• 38:23
  Speaker 10: when she went to Well, Black Cavier raced at Royal
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: Ascot and won the Diamond Jubilee Stakes in front of it,
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: and the Queen asked for an audience.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So after the race she.
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: Went down to the to the yard and you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: Peter Moody was the trainer and she sort of pushed
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: everybody out of the way and wanted to.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Meet Black Caviar, the superstar.
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: So yeah, so you know, I thought it'd be nice
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: they meet again up there at.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: The Pearly Gates. The tobacco wars continued. This is a
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: very serious issue. I can't remember a day where you
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: wake up where someone hasn't driven a car into a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: tobacco shop and set it on fire. We be in
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the game. Surely it's just anyway.
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: I thought, you know, there are so many tobacco shops
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: on fire in Victoria's.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: What's Chris Barone got, Well.
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: It's threatening our next zero emissions victorious victorious tobacco stores
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: are going to destroy our zero emissions the way they're
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: going up.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I love the way you draw Bowen. Now we were
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: just talking there about the CFMU. They all the bosses,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy of them been thrown out the door.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: They're gone. So that might give you a fresh cartoon
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for next week. But you have had a look at
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Johnny second. He had a tattoo around his neck. The tattoo.
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: I was dying to get into that tattoo and tattoo.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: They're very brave.
• 39:40
  Speaker 10: I wonder if john will asked me to do the
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: next tattoo.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they had.
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: You know, God forgives, but the cfmmy you won't. But
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: I thought I would just adjust a little bit, because,
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: let's face it, the taxpayers in Victoria have been paying.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Let me over in a bar, we give you a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: tip if he rings up mons original say yes, now,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: very seriously, you the Herald Son I write once a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: week for your their star cartoonist. Yes, tragically and sadly
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they lost a very bright young reporter this week in
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Sam Landsberg now for our national audience. He wrote about
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: AFL and he had a tragic accident. There you are,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you're paying tribute to him in the media box at
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the MCG.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: Look, I you know, I had to pay tribute to
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: I'll tell you what to Dave it was.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I was actually, you know, I was.
• 40:32
  Speaker 10: I was tearing up actually drawing it because you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: we all knew Sam in the office and a great fellow,
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: and the outpouring for him has just been unanimous that
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: he was a great journalist and a great people person
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: and a huge loss for us. And so I said
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: to my editor Sam, we you know, can I pay
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: tribute to Sam and tomorrow's paper? He said, yeah, we
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: love you too. So there he is in the press
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: box at the MCG.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: That's a really touching thing to do. And I'm sure
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: his family will thank you, I hope.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: So well, all the best.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Good on you, mate, I'll see your cartoon on my
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: column tomorrow, come up next to the pandemics. Well and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: truly over but corporate staff around the country guess what
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: they're still fighting to work from home. We'll have more
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: with the panel after this steep price with you Friday
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Panel Times. Small Businesswoman of Australia founder and CEO Amanda
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Rose increasingly and a social media influencer, I might say,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and Sky News contributor and legendary Queenslander Gary Hargrave. Great
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to see you both like the jacket, Garry. Very classy,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: very classy. Now you're both going to love this, particularly Amanda.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: We've got an employee of the A and Z Bank
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: commander she's lost her bid to work from home permanently
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: five days a week. She went to the Fair Work
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Commission and she said, look, I'm scared of going back
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to the office because I might get COVID. She's a
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: project business analyst names debraah Lloyd. She went took A
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and Z to the Fair Work after the bank refused
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to let it work from home full time. Any sympathy
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: for our at home worker.
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  Speaker 11: Amanda, Well, look, some people do take advantage of the
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: whole work from home, you know, and they're trying to,
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: you know, some leverage it. And I know that do that,
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: but you can to understand this particular person right was
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: petrified that they'd catch COVID. Now, let's look at the
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: reason why. Because the government used the media to essentially
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: brainwash people on a daily basis into fear that they
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: were going to drop dead if they stood near anyone
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: at all, breathe near anyone didn't wear a mask. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: this person obviously believed it because it's all you saw
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: on TV twenty four hours a day for a very
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: long time. They even locked everyone down. She's petrified, So
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: maybe this is more of a how can we help
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: her come back to doing things and meeting with people
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: because they've done some serious damage to people's mental health.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Garret, I presume she doesn't go to the supermarket
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: or catch a train or go anywhere on a plane. Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: I think of Mata Rosa's point, though there might be
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: some real claim about PTSD against government, and the reality
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: is they scared the tripe out of everybody. I've got
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: to say, mate, in all the broadcasting I did during
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: the period, I just said, just calm it down, take
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: your usual precautions. But look, I mean, look, if you're
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: a barista, you can't exactly set up the coffee shop
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: in the garage and have people come to you if
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: you lay bricks, you can't bring the slab, you know
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: what I mean. So in the end, I'm an AIDS
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: customer and I actually want to see more people working
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: in the bank. So I think if she can't cope,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: then I'm really sad for her. She can go and
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: keep one of the other people actually working in the bank.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I think Seela, you and I are the only people
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: who still go to bank branches. I think no one
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: else does. Now we talked to the top of the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: show about banning gambling ads. Now I think there's got
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to be a middle ground here. Look, none of us
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: want to see young peop will get sucked into online gambling,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to gamble when you're under age anyway, Amanda,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: this is looking like a very strong campaign from both
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: sides of politics. Do we need to step in here
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and either I don't like banning things. Do we need
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to perhaps just limit the amount of ads shown, perhaps
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: during the televising of Live Sport? Well?
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: I do because do you know, Australia gamble more than
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: any other country in the world, and that is a problem, right,
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: especially because we're so tiny and out of sight, out
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: of mind, So that would mean that if people wanted
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: to gamble, they would actively have to go and sort
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: it out instead of it coming past their screen all
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: the time and getting hyped up. And don't forget, when
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: people are watching sport, they're often drinking. So maybe after
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: a few these ads seem okay and I want to
• 44:49
  Speaker 11: make a bit of money or I'm going to have
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: a bet, and then before you know it, they can't
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: pay their rent, they can't pay their mortgage.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And I've seen people.
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: Over the years working in charities that are you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: one or two mistakes like that, they become addicted or
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: they can't cope and they end up on the street.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Carry you a gambler, what do you think?
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: No, mate, the how to gamble I take is driving
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: a car on any given day of the week. We
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: did buy a lot of ticket last night. Say we
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: fell for the advertising. But look, I'm not a gambler.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: I'm immune to it. They annoy me greatly. But you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: in principle, I think lawfully provided services and goods should
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: be allowed to advertise. And having worked a lot of
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: my life in commercial media, that is the lifeblood of
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: what keeps things going. It's the grease that runs everything, frankly,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: and I don't want to turn ourselves into the Soviet
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: Union or to some sort of staliness organization where everything
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: is banned. So it's a balance. But you know, you've
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: got to think with your head, not over it. And
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: I think they need to have the proximity of these
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: ads perhaps distanced a bit. The repetition makes me want
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: to do exactly the opposite, and that is I don't
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: want to put any money on any sport whenever.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: They advertise on it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: That's how I feel.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, and I think Amanda, you know they put
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: on the back of the ads, you know, gamble responsibly.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: You'll lose more than you're going to win. I mean,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that anyone takes any notice of that anymore,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: because it's there every time.
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, but don't forget, they're half full when they're gambling,
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: so I don't think they're reading.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: Much at all.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we bet on just talk about the ABC.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Talk about the ABC Gary, ABC Radio, particularly Breakfast in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Sydy and Melbourne. Their ratings are now down around five percent.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was running a radio network, ABC
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Breakfast was rating more like twelve thirteen and quite a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: threat to the commercial competitors. David Anderson, the boss has quit.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: He's bailed on a five year contract. Obviously, Kim Williams,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the new chairman's having some impact in there.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: And I know Ken Williams and I said when he
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: was appointed he will know how to set this thing
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: up for what it should be, and that is a
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: subscription based organization. It is not as it is not
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: the national broadcast. It's one of a number of national broadcasters.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: The world has.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: Changed since the nineteen twenties when the ABC was created,
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: and organizations like this alone is a perfect example of that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: But you've got five TV channels attached to all of
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: the old legacy freeedom air channels. You've got multiple radio
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: station networks attached to everybody the ABC. He's got about
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: six radio stations in every market. I mean, fairdengam it
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: costs us an absolute bomb. They sent their breakfast team
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: off to Adelaide for the Olympics. Spare me, I mean really,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: subscription service like Sky and Ken Williams is the bloke
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: who can set it up.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: That's what I reckon, Amanda. Do you use the ABC
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: Look sometimes, and I think the issue here is when
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: money just comes into your hands and you don't have
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: to commercialize or work for it, or be strategic and
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: read reports and make decisions on it. Then these things happen.
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: It's the same with government. They have taxpayer money and
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: that is said, well buy this, we'll pay for that,
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: we'll do this, and then leave. So the same happens
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: to the ABC. It needs to be commercially minded with
• 48:07
  Speaker 11: a community heart and then.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: That's see absolutely, absolutely.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely right Amanda Rose Or was great to see you
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: on a Friday. Gary Hargrave Or was great to see
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you on a Friday. A reminder, of course, there is
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: an election on in Australia this weekend in the Northern
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Territory and Sky's going to have full coverage on that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night, so it's going to be fascinating to see
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: what result in the Northern Territory is tomorrow night with
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that election coming up. Next to Niko de Giorgio, see
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you next Friday.