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- 0:00Host 1: Imagine, uh, backing the family car into a brick wall.
- 0:03Host 1: Handing your parents the keys and, like, telling them they should actually be thanking you
- 0:08Host 1: for the custom body modification.
- 0:10Host 2: I mean, it takes a massive amount of audacity to pull that off.
- 0:14Host 1: Right.
- 0:15Host 1: But that is precisely the defense strategy being deployed today, Wednesday, July 29, 2026,
- 0:20Host 1: by Portugal's Minister of Internal Administration, Luís Neves.
- 0:24Host 2: It really is something else.
- 0:26Host 1: And if you look at the major Portuguese front pages this morning,
- 0:30Host 1: every single one of them is just dominated by this, uh, this masterclass in political rebranding.
- 0:35Host 1: So, welcome to your daily frontpage.pt deep dive.
- 0:38Host 2: It's a remarkable case study in narrative control, honestly.
- 0:41Host 1: Oh, totally.
- 0:42Host 1: A minister is essentially attempting to take a severe political liability
- 0:47Host 1: and, you know, turn it into evidence of his own efficiency.
- 0:51Host 1: Let's break down the mechanics of what he's actually doing here because it's wild.
- 0:55Host 1: For those catching up, Neves is under intense fire over two main issues right now.
- 0:59Host 1: First, there's some highly questionable construction works on his rural property in the Alentejo region,
- 1:03Host 1: and second, the transfer of a trailer to the company of his own contractor.
- 1:08Host 2: Yeah, which is normally a huge red flag.
- 1:11Host 1: Exactly.
- 1:12Host 1: In a standard political scandal, this is the point where a minister deflects,
- 1:17Host 1: or, you know, blames a subordinate or just quietly steps down.
- 1:21Host 2: But not here.
- 1:22Host 1: No, not here.
- 1:24Host 1: Instead, Neves calls a press conference and declares to the country
- 1:29Host 1: that he is, quote, "totally legitimized and empowered."
- 1:32Host 2: Yeah, that use of the word empowered—empoderado in Portuguese—that is a very deliberate provocation.
- 1:38Host 1: Oh, so. Well, he isn't merely surviving the scandal, right?
- 1:41Host 1: He's attempting to signal to his base that the controversy itself actually proves he's disrupting the status quo.
- 1:45Host 2: Oh wow, and I mean, he didn't stop there.
- 1:49Host 2: He claimed that handing over the trailer to his contractor actually, quote, "saved the state money."
- 1:54Host 1: Right, spinning it as a cost-cutting measure.
- 1:56Host 2: Yeah.
- 1:58Host 2: But the soundbite that is going to be printed on t-shirts by the end of the week is about his unapproved swimming pool.
- 2:03Host 1: Oh, the pool comment.
- 2:05Host 2: Yes.
- 2:06Host 2: When pressed by journalists about building a leisure pool without proper permits,
- 2:11Host 2: his defense was literally: "the pool will be a tank again."
- 2:15Host 1: Right. A piscina voltará a ser um tanque.
- 2:18Host 2: Just incredible.
- 2:20Host 1: You know, in the context of rural Alentejo, a tank is just a functional, agricultural water reservoir.
- 2:25Host 1: Okay.
- 2:27Host 1: So by making that statement, he is trying to visually erase the luxury of a swimming pool
- 2:32Host 1: and, you know, replace it with this rugged rural utility.
- 2:35Host 1: It's entirely an optics game.
- 2:38Host 2: I have to push back on the viability of that strategy, though.
- 2:41Host 1: Sure.
- 2:43Host 2: Like, how can a sitting minister admit to irregularities?
- 2:46Host 2: I mean, he literally said he erred on the side of the good.
- 2:50Host 1: Right.
- 2:51Host 2: And simultaneously declare he completely refuses to resign or even be made an arguido, a formal suspect.
- 2:56Host 2: It seems contradictory.
- 2:59Host 1: Doesn't the opposition see right through this?
- 3:01Host 2: Oh, they absolutely see through it, which is why the political reaction is so vicious today.
- 3:06Host 1: Right.
- 3:07Host 2: I mean, the Socialist Party leader Seguro has publicly warned Prime Minister Montenegro that Neves is heavily fragilized.
- 3:13Host 1: And what about the right?
- 3:15Host 2: On the populist right, you have Chega's leader, André Ventura, attacking from the other flank,
- 3:20Host 2: claiming Seguro himself must be shivering.
- 3:24Host 1: So everyone smells blood in the water.
- 3:27Host 2: Exactly. The opposition senses weakness.
- 3:30Host 1: But, you know, Neves is making a very specific, calculated bet here.
- 3:34Host 2: Which is what?
- 3:35Host 1: He is betting that the average Portuguese voter is so exhausted and, frankly, cynical about slow, suffocating bureaucratic rules
- 3:41Host 1: that they will actually forgive a minister who bypasses them.
- 3:45Host 2: As long as he claims he was trying to save money or, like, get things done.
- 3:49Host 1: Exactly.
- 3:50Host 1: He's basically using the public's hatred of red tape as a shield for his own actions.
- 3:56Host 2: 100%.
- 3:57Host 2: But here is the irony.
- 3:59Host 2: That exact same bureaucratic chaos, the red tape he claims he was just trying to cut through,
- 4:05Host 2: is the very thing that is actively bleeding billions of euros from the country's economy.
- 4:09Host 1: It's a huge issue.
- 4:11Host 2: Which, you know, takes us away from the political spin and straight into a massive, flashing economic warning light
- 4:16Host 2: on the front page of Público today.
- 4:19Host 1: Yeah, this is where the domestic political theater really collides with global economic reality.
- 4:24Host 1: The same sluggish, complicated systems that a minister tries to bypass for a swimming pool
- 4:30Host 1: are currently paralyzing foreign direct investment in the country.
- 4:34Host 2: Público is actually highlighting a major new study from CIP, the Confederation of Portuguese Business.
- 4:40Host 2: And this isn't, you know, just your standard industry white paper.
- 4:44Host 1: No, it's pretty heavy-hitting.
- 4:46Host 2: Yeah.
- 4:47Host 2: It was commissioned by the Nobel laureate in economics, James A. Robinson.
- 4:52Host 2: And his standout proposal to shock the Portuguese economy back into growth...
- 4:58Host 2: creating courts that decide cases in exactly 90 days.
- 5:01Host 1: Which is a radical shift.
- 5:04Host 1: And to drive the point home, the president of CIP, Armindo Monteiro, delivered a really brutal assessment.
- 5:10Host 1: He stated, on the record, "We grow below potential. We are poor because we want to be."
- 5:15Host 2: Poor because we want to be.
- 5:18Host 2: I mean, that phrase is a direct challenge to the entire political establishment.
- 5:22Host 1: It really is.
- 5:24Host 1: It shifts the blame from external factors like, uh, global inflation or supply chains,
- 5:30Host 1: straight onto domestic institutional choices.
- 5:33Host 2: But, okay, if you are listening to this right now and you've ever dealt with the Portuguese justice system,
- 5:39Host 2: you hear "90-day court turnarounds" and you are probably rolling your eyes.
- 5:43Host 1: Oh, absolutely.
- 5:45Host 1: Like, it takes longer than that to resolve a dispute over a scratched fender.
- 5:50Host 1: The idea of a 90-day turnaround feels like driving a sports car in a city with no traffic lights.
- 5:55Host 2: It's a good analogy.
- 5:57Host 1: Right, it doesn't matter how powerful the economic engine wants to be,
- 6:03Host 1: the systemic bottlenecks just force everyone to sit in gridlock.
- 6:06Host 2: Yeah, exactly.
- 6:08Host 2: So how does a Nobel laureate even propose "we engineer this bypass"?
- 6:13Host 2: Are we talking about, like, AI judges? Or just total deregulation?
- 6:17Host 1: Well, no.
- 6:19Host 1: Robinson's academic background is entirely focused on how institutions create or destroy prosperity.
- 6:24Host 1: Okay.
- 6:25Host 1: So he isn't suggesting we just ask the current judges to, you know, type faster.
- 6:30Host 1: The mechanics behind a 90-day turnaround require entirely new infrastructure.
- 6:36Host 2: What does that look like?
- 6:38Host 1: We're talking about creating specialized, fast-track commercial tribunals.
- 6:42Host 1: It means ruthlessly streamlining evidentiary rules.
- 6:46Host 1: Wow.
- 6:47Host 1: And, uh, removing the endless layers of appeals that currently exist just for, you know, basic administrative delays.
- 6:53Host 2: But why is the 90-day mark the magic number for unlocking the economy? Like, why not a year?
- 6:58Host 1: Think about the mechanics of risk.
- 7:01Host 1: If you're an international company, or even a local entrepreneur listening to this who wants to scale a business,
- 7:06Host 1: your entire operation is built on contracts.
- 7:09Host 2: Sure.
- 7:10Host 1: If a supplier breaches a contract, or a municipality suddenly halts your building permit,
- 7:15Host 1: and you know it will take seven to ten years to resolve that dispute in a Portuguese civil court...
- 7:20Host 2: Your capital is just trapped.
- 7:22Host 1: Exactly.
- 7:24Host 1: You essentially have dead money sitting in legal purgatory for a decade.
- 7:28Host 2: That's terrifying for an investor.
- 7:31Host 1: Precisely.
- 7:33Host 1: The risk profile becomes astronomically high.
- 7:36Host 1: So capital goes elsewhere.
- 7:38Host 1: It goes to jurisdictions where disputes are settled in weeks, not decades.
- 7:43Host 1: Wow.
- 7:45Host 1: When Monteiro says Portugal is "poor by choice," he means the country is actively choosing
- 7:50Host 1: to maintain a judicial labyrinth that repels wealth.
- 7:54Host 2: Rather than doing the painful, politically costly work of upgrading the operating system of the state.
- 7:59Host 1: Exactly that.
- 8:02Host 2: And, you know, if you want glaring evidence that the state refuses to optimize its own operating system,
- 8:07Host 2: we just have to look at how the government is managing its own checkbook today.
- 8:12Host 1: Yeah, the contrast is stark.
- 8:14Host 1: The juxtaposition on the front pages is giving me severe whiplash.
- 8:18Host 2: It is a perfect study in macro-level ambition versus micro-level collapse.
- 8:23Host 1: Okay, so let's look at the macro first. We have these massive, high-stakes state business moves happening right now.
- 8:28Host 2: Right. The big privatizations.
- 8:30Host 1: Yeah. Diário de Notícias is reporting that aviation giants Air France and Lufthansa
- 8:35Host 1: have officially submitted their proposals to buy TAP, the national airline.
- 8:40Host 1: We are talking about billions of euros on the line.
- 8:43Host 2: Huge amounts of money.
- 8:45Host 2: Meanwhile, Público notes that the state bank, Caixa Geral de Depósitos, has finally found a buyer for its Brazilian operations,
- 8:50Host 2: which marks the official, historic exit of Portuguese banking from Brazil.
- 8:56Host 1: And I mean, these are highly complex structural negotiations playing out on the international stage.
- 9:01Host 2: Right. They require immense financial precision.
- 9:04Host 1: But then you pivot to the ground level, and that precision just evaporates completely.
- 9:08Host 2: It really does.
- 9:11Host 2: Correio da Manhã highlights that wait times for the SNS 24 health line have skyrocketed tenfold.
- 9:16Host 2: Ten times.
- 9:17Host 1: It's unmanageable.
- 9:20Host 1: People are just giving up and going to the emergency rooms, clogging the system even further.
- 9:25Host 1: And even worse, Público reveals that the ULS Algarve hospital system simply forgot,
- 9:30Host 1: or failed, to charge 1.2 million euros to foreign patients.
- 9:33Host 2: Yeah, they treated the patients, the patients went back to their home countries,
- 9:38Host 2: and the invoices were just never sent.
- 9:41Host 1: Never sent.
- 9:42Host 1: Over a million euros just left in the wind.
- 9:46Host 2: When I see a multi-million euro poker game with Lufthansa happening in the VIP room,
- 9:50Host 2: while somebody leaves the cash register wide open down in the lobby of a regional hospital...
- 9:55Host 1: That's a great image.
- 9:57Host 2: My instinct is that the government is just addicted to headline-grabbing events.
- 1:00:02Host 2: Is this a complete collapse of middle management, or is the government simply ignoring the boring stuff?
- 1:00:07Host 1: It's really an issue of political capital and attention misallocation.
- 1:00:12Host 1: That makes sense to me.
- 1:00:14Host 2: Well, macro-level privatizations like selling TAP are treated as existential political events.
- 1:00:18Host 2: They get dedicated task forces.
- 1:00:20Host 1: Right, the big guns.
- 1:00:22Host 2: Yeah, they get teams of international consultants from McKinsey or Deloitte.
- 1:00:27Host 2: They get extreme daily scrutiny from the Ministry of Finance because the political survival of the cabinet
- 1:00:32Host 2: depends on those deals closing smoothly.
- 1:00:35Host 1: Because saving TAP wins elections.
- 1:00:37Host 1: Nobody wins an election by upgrading regional hospital billing software.
- 1:00:41Host 2: Exactly.
- 1:00:43Host 2: That is the tragic reality of how modern bureaucracy allocates attention.
- 1:00:48Host 1: It's still frustrating.
- 1:00:50Host 2: It is.
- 1:00:51Host 2: Structural daily public services, like the SNS 24 hotline or a regional hospital's billing department in the Algarve,
- 1:00:56Host 2: they suffer from chronic, invisible bloat.
- 1:00:59Host 1: Yeah.
- 1:01:01Host 1: There is no international task force ensuring a foreign tourist pays their emergency room bill.
- 1:01:06Host 1: It relies on a fractured chain of underpaid local administrators trying to use fragmented, outdated software systems.
- 1:01:11Host 2: Systems that probably don't even interface with international health registries.
- 1:01:15Host 1: Very likely.
- 1:01:17Host 1: The state has the capacity to negotiate with Air France, but it lacks the basic agility to send a PDF invoice to a tourist.
- 1:01:23Host 2: It perfectly proves Armindo Monteiro's point from the CIP study.
- 1:01:27Host 1: If you are bleeding 1.2 million euros in a single regional hospital purely because of a clerical failure,
- 1:01:32Host 1: you are poor by choice.
- 1:01:34Host 2: You're actively choosing not to fix the leak.
- 1:01:37Host 1: Right.
- 1:01:38Host 1: But, you know, it's easy to look at a 1.2 million euro billing error as just an abstract number on a spreadsheet.
- 1:01:44Host 2: True.
- 1:01:45Host 2: When this exact same institutional negligence trickles down to physical, everyday life,
- 1:01:51Host 2: the consequences go from financially embarrassing to genuinely dangerous.
- 1:01:55Host 1: Oh, absolutely.
- 1:01:57Host 1: The gap between the laws on the books and the reality on the ground becomes a matter of public safety.
- 1:02:02Host 2: If we look at the remaining front pages, there are three stories today that expose exactly how dangerous
- 1:02:07Host 2: this regulatory blind spot is.
- 1:02:09Host 1: Yeah, these are intense.
- 1:02:11Host 1: Let's look at the sheer absurdity first.
- 1:02:14Host 1: Diário de Notícias reports that in the Alto Alentejo region, a brand new shooting range is currently awaiting defense opinions.
- 1:02:19Host 2: Right. Why?
- 1:02:20Host 2: Because the municipality allowed it to be built directly on top of a high-pressure gas pipeline.
- 1:02:26Host 1: I mean, live ammunition and a high-pressure gas infrastructure. It sounds like a bad cartoon.
- 1:02:30Host 2: Seriously.
- 1:02:32Host 2: How does that physically happen?
- 1:02:34Host 2: Does a local mayor just point at a field and say "build it there," without anyone checking a map?
- 1:02:39Host 1: Well, it happens because municipal databases and national infrastructure grids in Portugal
- 1:02:44Host 1: often just do not communicate.
- 1:02:47Host 2: They don't talk to each other.
- 1:02:49Host 1: Right.
- 1:02:51Host 1: You have a local council eager for the revenue of a new facility.
- 1:02:54Host 1: They look at a municipal zoning map from 20 years ago that doesn't reflect the national pipeline extension built 10 years ago.
- 1:03:00Host 2: Oh my god.
- 1:03:02Host 1: The licensing department doesn't cross-reference with the National Energy Grid until the concrete is already poured.
- 1:03:06Host 2: That's insane.
- 1:03:08Host 2: The laws for safety exist on paper, but the mechanism for checking them is completely broken.
- 1:03:13Host 1: Which brings me to the second story, from Correio da Manhã. A heart-stopping drama on the A2 highway.
- 1:03:17Host 2: This one is terrifying.
- 1:03:19Host 2: A bus driver failed to do a basic passenger headcount at a rest stop and drove off,
- 1:03:25Host 2: leaving an 11-year-old child completely abandoned at a service area.
- 1:03:28Host 1: Just awful.
- 1:03:30Host 1: Her father had to drive 200 kilometers down the highway to rescue her.
- 1:03:35Host 1: Again, it's a failure of basic, manual compliance.
- 1:03:38Host 2: The bus company certainly has a safety manual dictating headcounts, but reality doesn't match the manual.
- 1:03:43Host 2: It is the collapse of enforcement.
- 1:03:45Host 2: A rule without enforcement is just a suggestion.
- 1:03:48Host 1: Yeah.
- 1:03:49Host 1: And when we look at the third story today, we see the absolute darkest consequence of that collapse.
- 1:03:54Host 2: Yes, the tone shifts dramatically in Jornal de Notícias. They are covering the B-Sports football academy human trafficking ring.
- 1:03:59Host 1: Such a heavy story.
- 1:04:01Host 1: It has been three full years since the initial operation by SEF, the immigration and border service.
- 1:04:06Host 1: Three years.
- 1:04:08Host 2: Right.
- 1:04:09Host 2: And only now, the investigation has uncovered 20 more youths who were tricked by the academy.
- 1:04:14Host 2: This brings the total number of victims to 120.
- 1:04:17Host 1: 120 vulnerable young people, lured with the promise of a professional football career,
- 1:04:22Host 1: trapped in an exploitative system.
- 1:04:24Host 2: I look at a case like B-Sports, and it feels intrinsically linked to the Nobel laureate's warning about our 90-day courts.
- 1:04:30Host 1: Tell me more.
- 1:04:32Host 2: Well, the slow wheels of the state aren't just repelling foreign investment, you know?
- 1:04:36Host 2: They are leaving 120 kids vulnerable to trafficking.
- 1:04:39Host 2: Like, why does it take three years to find 20 more victims in a known trafficking ring?
- 1:04:44Host 1: Because predators exploit the exact systemic lag we have been talking about all morning.
- 1:04:49Host 2: Wow.
- 1:04:50Host 1: Human trafficking rings in sports academies operate in the blind spots between labor laws, immigration laws, and sports regulations.
- 1:04:56Host 2: They slip through the cracks.
- 1:04:58Host 1: Exactly.
- 1:04:59Host 1: On paper, Portugal has robust frameworks to protect minors.
- 1:05:03Host 1: But when the local oversight is hollowed out, when the state apparatus is too slow, too fragmented,
- 1:05:08Host 1: and too bogged down in paperwork to audit these academies in real-time...
- 1:05:12Host 2: The delay itself becomes a weapon.
- 1:05:14Host 1: Yes.
- 1:05:16Host 1: The delay becomes the weapon used against the victims.
- 1:05:19Host 1: Because the perpetrators know the state is too slow to catch them before the damage is done.
- 1:05:24Host 2: Yes.
- 1:05:25Host 2: Three years for an investigation to uncover the full scope of victims means three years of evidence getting lost,
- 1:05:31Host 2: three years of trauma for those youths.
- 1:05:33Host 1: That's devastating.
- 1:05:35Host 1: When the justice system is slow, it isn't just an economic abstract.
- 1:05:38Host 1: The administrative failure translates directly into a profound human failure.
- 1:05:43Host 2: It is incredibly heavy.
- 1:05:45Host 2: I mean, we've spent this entire deep dive looking at the terrestrial chaos we've created for ourselves.
- 1:05:50Host 1: We really have.
- 1:05:52Host 1: We have ministers playing semantic games with swimming pools to avoid accountability.
- 1:05:57Host 1: We have Nobel laureates warning us that we are choosing to be poor by keeping our courts in the dark ages.
- 1:06:02Host 2: Right.
- 1:06:04Host 2: We have municipalities building shooting ranges on gas pipelines because their databases don't talk to each other.
- 1:06:09Host 1: I think you, me, and everyone listening could use a reason to just step back and take a breath.
- 1:06:14Host 2: A shift in perspective is definitely required today.
- 1:06:17Host 1: Let's do a hard pivot from the messy, deeply flawed, agonizingly slow operations of human society down here on Earth,
- 1:06:23Host 1: to the perfect, predictable, unbreakable mechanics of the cosmos.
- 1:06:27Host 2: I love this pivot.
- 1:06:29Host 1: For all the structural chaos we've discussed today, Jornal de Notícias has a breathtaking piece of news
- 1:06:33Host 1: on their front page.
- 1:06:35Host 1: Mark your calendars for August 12th.
- 1:06:38Host 2: August 12th.
- 1:06:39Host 1: Portugal is going to witness a rare celestial event visible across the entire country.
- 1:06:44Host 2: They're calling it the eclipse of our lives.
- 1:06:47Host 1: The eclipse of our lives.
- 1:06:49Host 1: Because this specific phenomenon, with this exact trajectory, casting this exact shadow over the country,
- 1:06:54Host 1: will not happen again until the year 2144.
- 1:06:57Host 2: The year 2144.
- 1:06:59Host 2: I mean, just saying that year out loud forces a complete reset of our current anxieties.
- 1:07:03Host 1: It really does.
- 1:07:05Host 1: We spend our mornings, and rightfully so, you know, deeply stressed about the things we discussed today.
- 1:07:09Host 2: Yeah.
- 1:07:11Host 2: We're in the weeds worrying about hospital billing software, whether a bus driver is going to do a head count,
- 1:07:16Host 2: or how long it takes a judge to read a contract.
- 1:07:19Host 1: We are entirely consumed by the friction of the systems we built.
- 1:07:23Host 2: Exactly.
- 1:07:24Host 2: But the universe operates on a completely different scale.
- 1:07:28Host 2: The orbital mechanics of the solar system don't care about our 90-day court proposals.
- 1:07:32Host 1: No, they don't.
- 1:07:34Host 2: They don't care about the wait times on the SNS 24 hotline.
- 1:07:37Host 2: The cosmos runs perfectly on time, every single time.
- 1:07:41Host 1: So as we wrap up today's frontpage.pt deep dive, how should we internalize that contrast?
- 1:07:46Host 1: Like, what does an eclipse in 2144 mean for us dealing with the headlines of 2026?
- 1:07:51Host 2: Well, it offers a fascinating, almost haunting lens to view our own society.
- 1:07:55Host 1: I like that.
- 1:07:56Host 2: I want to leave you, the listener, with this thought to mull over today as you go about your work.
- 1:08:01Host 2: In the year 2144, when the mechanics of the solar system align perfectly to give Portugal this exact eclipse again,
- 1:08:07Host 2: the people looking up at the sky will be living in a world we can't even comprehend.
- 1:08:11Host 1: Mind-blowing.
- 1:08:13Host 2: And if they want to understand what it was like back in 2026, they will look at history books built from the exact front pages we just unpacked.
- 1:08:18Host 1: That is a wild thought.
- 1:08:20Host 1: What will they think of us?
- 1:08:22Host 1: Will they look back at a minister's pool tank and laugh at the absurdity of our political theater?
- 1:08:27Host 2: Probably.
- 1:08:29Host 1: Will they be utterly bewildered that a 21st-century society built shooting ranges on top of explosive gas pipelines?
- 1:08:34Host 2: I'm bewildered now.
- 1:08:36Host 1: Or will they read Armindo Monteiro's warning that we were "poor by choice" and wonder why we refused to fix the broken systems
- 1:08:42Host 1: that held us back when we had every chance to do so?
- 1:08:45Host 2: It makes the daily friction feel a lot less permanent.
- 1:08:48Host 1: But, uh, the choices we make today feel so much more consequential.
- 1:08:52Host 2: Exactly.
- 1:08:53Host 2: The cosmos will do what it does, perfectly on schedule, without our input.
- 1:08:58Host 2: But the society we build down here between now and 2144, that is entirely up to us.
- 1:09:03Host 1: We have to choose to fix the machinery.
- 1:09:05Host 2: That is a deeply humbling, necessary thought to carry with us today.
- 1:09:08Host 1: It really puts the political spin and the bureaucratic headaches into their proper place.
- 1:09:12Host 2: It does.
- 1:09:14Host 2: That wraps up today's frontpage.pt deep dive.
- 1:09:17Host 2: Thank you for tuning in to navigate the complexities with us.
- 1:09:20Host 2: We will be back tomorrow to help you extract the signal from the noise of the Portuguese front pages.
- 1:09:25Host 2: Until then, stay curious and keep looking up.