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Fighting relentless cancer #4 Daniel F. Baranowski · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  I've been with you on a journey now for a few years.
• 0:27
  And uh boy, it has been a journey.
• 0:30
  And but this is this is something I wanted to capture.
• 0:33
  I don't know.
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  There was something driving me to capture this because your story is not only a compelling story, but it is it is one that I think is uh is so inspirational to people.
• 0:45
  I mean, when they hear this story and you scratch your head and say, Wow, like how it you really defy, I guess I could say you defy science or you defy uh logic, really, with what's going on.
• 0:59
  So it let's I mean listen, let me come back.
• 1:03
  I here's a big point.
• 1:05
  I always think about this, like the first time you hear the C word, the C word.
• 1:12
  I that's the way I reference it, the C word.
• 1:15
  And what is you know, I wonder what that feeling is in somebody's mind, or when you first hear that, like, is it desperation?
• 1:25
  Is it you know, am I gonna live?
• 1:27
  Is it uh I'll kick its ass.
• 1:29
  Uh, what comes through your mind?
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  The the very first time you hear the C word.
• 1:34
  Tell us about that.
• 1:35
  Where was you?
• 1:36
  What happened?
• 1:37
  Well, it it was mixed.
• 1:39
  There's no no two ways about it.
• 1:41
  As you know, I've been a clinician for a number of years.
• 1:44
  My wife's a nurse.
• 1:45
  We we've been in health care for 50 years together, right?
• 1:48
  Um, and uh I took care of a lot of pediatric patients with cancer, right?
• 1:55
  Uh, in terms of their respiratory care needs and the like, especially lung cancer, which is very rare in children, but so you were around people who had cancer all the time.
• 2:04
  Okay, and uh but it wasn't but it wasn't you, Dan, it wasn't you.
• 2:08
  No, it wasn't me.
• 2:09
  No, it wasn't me.
• 2:10
  And uh you never think of cancer with yourself, and I suppose you know the C word is something that still devastates a lot of people, and it's getting your head around what it is.
• 2:24
  When I was told I had leukemia, right?
• 2:27
  It it was it it wasn't I couldn't compute it.
• 2:30
  I mean, I couldn't understand what they were talking about, but I got brought into it in a very uh shocking kind of way, Malcolm.
• 2:38
  I um I needed to move from Cincinnati to Florida.
• 2:43
  My wife was already down here in Florida working at a Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital in a very special role, and um she came to Cincinnati.
• 2:54
  We had the big moving trucks and everything.
• 2:56
  We packed up and moved.
• 2:57
  I'd been in Cincinnati for about five years, rehabbing our house, getting it ready for the market.
• 3:02
  We were under water at that time in the market, like everybody's neighborhood was.
• 3:06
  What year was this then?
• 3:07
  What year was this?
• 3:08
  This was 2013, 14.
• 3:10
  Okay.
• 3:11
  In 2014, we moved up here, and I knew I needed back surgery.
• 3:15
  I had terrible pain and needed to get uh L4 L5 fusion done.
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  And so when I got here, and we knew we weren't gonna do this in Cincinnati, we do it here.
• 3:25
  I got here and I got a hold of a uh primary care doctor for the first time, and I wanted to go through one of these normal examinations, uh, pre uh you know, pre-surgical, they want to make sure EKG is okay and everything else.
• 3:39
  And uh, my primary care guy says, I can't sign you off on this, uh, because uh you have terrible heart rhythm, and I'm really afraid that you could be a left heart failure, and so I'll say I'm a left heart failure.
• 3:53
  No wonder I've been so damned exhausted all the time.
• 3:56
  And so I said, I'm gonna send you an emergency.
• 3:59
  We get in the car, go right over to see the cardiologist that I've uh uh scheduled for you.
• 4:05
  So we drove over there.
• 4:07
  I picked up Shelley, and we both went over, and the cardiologist said, Well, yeah, it does sound like left heart failure, but we need to do a bilateral catheterization on you to see what's going on.
• 4:19
  We don't really know, and so we a couple of days later we got hooked up in St.
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  Anthony's big Bay Care Hospital down here, and we um went in for a bilateral catheterization.
• 4:30
  He said, you know, well, uh, it's not your arteries, they're they're patent.
• 4:35
  You mean you got really good arteries and veins, but uh yeah, for some reason you've got terrible left heart ventricular heart failure, and to give you an idea how bad it is, they they measure this with the something called an ejection fraction.
• 4:51
  It measures how much your left heart muscle can pump blood through your system, and the higher the better, of course.
• 4:59
  Well, the normal for my age group is about 0.65.
• 5:04
  Mine was about uh 30.
• 5:07
  So I didn't even have half of what I should have for that, and we couldn't figure out why I wasn't heart failure.
• 5:14
  I mean, I'm not a drinker, I'm not a smoker, I don't you know, do a lot.
• 5:18
  I eat too many carbs on occasion, but you know, nothing out of the usual.
• 5:23
  Um too many carbs, yeah.
• 5:24
  Uh it was that the tail tale sign, one of the telltale signs of the cancer.
• 5:28
  No, no, this was separate.
• 5:30
  Yeah, the cardiologist says to me, he says, Well, I'm gonna send you right over to an oncologist, right?
• 5:36
  Because your white cell count, which is supposed to be about 5,000, is 55,000.
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  And so I asked her, what does that mean?
• 5:44
  He says, I'm sending you to an oncologist.
• 5:47
  So I said, okay, you know, things are getting it's gone from bad to worse.
• 5:53
  Now, had you not been in there and found that out.
• 5:55
  Well, I mean, a lot of times I hear people they go through something and they find out from something else or accidentally or some other reason, and it kind of I've heard those stories where it saves their life.
• 6:05
  Was that the case in this case?
• 6:07
  Absolutely.
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  But just total serendipity that I needed to have back surgery.
• 6:12
  Okay, and had I not gone in, I it eventually would have gotten so bad I'd either have died at home from left heart failure, uh, or eventually the leukemia would have caught up with me that it was silent basically, but I was so exhausted.
• 6:27
  Daniel, was this caught early?
• 6:29
  Was this how early did they say this was caught early this first round?
• 6:33
  When this first happened, no.
• 6:35
  No, the first round, I mean, I got there, and then I went to to see the oncologist who I've been with now for 12 years, right?
• 6:42
  Incredible physicians here.
• 6:44
  Uh and um, she said, Well, yeah, you have something called chronic lymphocytic leukemia, and you know, there are so many damn types of leukemia trying to come up to speed on what what that meant, and it was typical for my for males, although females get it too, but there's only about 23,000 of us that get it every year.
• 7:05
  It that's you know, sort of what the incident says.
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  There's new uh uh leukemics coming on board with this disease, it's almost an orphan disease, if you will.
• 7:14
  And uh uh women, 40 percent of the uh leukemics in this category are women, and the other 60 percent are men, so it's not just a men's disease, yeah.
• 7:24
  Um and so she said, Well, I don't know what to do.
• 7:28
  You need to get your heart figured out before we start treatment on the cancer because the cancer could wait, and we'll just monitor it and hope things went well.
• 7:37
  Well, they got all set.
• 7:38
  We wanted to see a whole bunch of specialists about implanting a um cardiac uh stimulator and you know, defibrillator in my body, along with something that was going to uh help me get out of the uh premature ventricular contractions that were going on, it helped my heart pump better, and we followed that once we got that up, it would be okay, and we could move forward with the leukemia.
• 8:05
  Well, look, leukemia didn't wait for heart business.
• 8:09
  All right, it went to 11,000 from 55,000 in about a couple of months, and so all the cardiologists said you gotta go take care of the leukemia first before we can deal with your heart disease.
• 8:22
  So the whole thing, the whole thing flipped at that point.
• 8:24
  The whole thing flipped.
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  And of course, Shelly and I who have access to all kinds of information and databases.
• 8:31
  Uh, you know, we've learned everything you could possibly learn about this disease, and we've all right but but let's but let's come back before you go too far down the disease and the medical part of it.
• 8:42
  I still want to know what's the feelings that come to your mind when you when you hear this.
• 8:48
  I mean, I I always wonder how I would feel or uh someone else would feel when they first hear that.
• 8:54
  It what comes to your mind right then?
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  Is it that is it a desperation mode?
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  Is it something that uh you feel like you're not gonna make it?
• 9:02
  Is it I'm gonna kick uh you know, like I said earlier, you know I'm gonna kick its ass.
• 9:05
  I'm gonna you know what comes to your mind?
• 9:07
  It was it was disturbing because I couldn't understand why, but I wasn't troubled, and that might be Malcolm because of my uh background in and hospitals and healthcare systems.
• 9:19
  I was wondering about that if that prepared you for it, you know.
• 9:22
  And it did bias me in that respect.
• 9:24
  I mean, I've I've watched a lot of people get this cold turkey, and it they don't hear anything after you said cancer.
• 9:32
  They get home and and their spouses is saying, I didn't I didn't I can't comprehend this either.
• 9:37
  We have to go back.
• 9:38
  I don't know what he said.
• 9:39
  So that didn't happen to you though.
• 9:40
  That didn't happen to you.
• 9:41
  No, and I would I I wonder how I would react to that.
• 9:45
  And I almost think I have to tell you, I I don't have that background and experience in cancer that you've seen patients and people and all that.
• 9:53
  I probably would have been what you just described.
• 9:56
  That probably would have been the last word I heard before.
• 10:00
  I started thinking like, oh shit, you know, what happens next?
• 10:04
  You know, what do we do?
• 10:06
  Uh, you know, what uh how do I fix this thing?
• 10:08
  Uh, what are the what are the chances?
• 10:09
  I would start asking like the real the the question I would drive the doc crazy right there, you know.
• 10:13
  Okay, what do we got?
• 10:14
  How do we tackle it?
• 10:15
  How aggressive can we be?
• 10:17
  You know, and you'd be lucky if you got home and remembered half of it, right?
• 10:21
  I know, you know, because you your brain doesn't even want to start processing.
• 10:24
  You ask no, but I'd have my wife with me like you, I'd have my wife, and she'd be taking the notes on and the stuff, but yeah, but you you'd sort of start to get, I guess it's sort of like Dan.
• 10:33
  I'm guessing you sort of get into survival mode, probably, you know, survival mode, and probably like, okay, what are the steps we got to do?
• 10:41
  So, but what's interesting about you is that, and and people don't know yet how many times this has happened to you and what you've experienced with this.
• 10:49
  And well, hold on, this gets real interesting in a moment here, and and and I don't want to go too deep in every single one, but I just want to give a broad picture because there's so much to really discuss with you.
• 10:58
  But you know, you've got all this going on, and one of the things I found about you over these years is that no matter what the circumstances are, no matter how difficult things are, you have an optimistic attitude.
• 11:14
  You're very pro-life, very pro-life, I guess is the way I would look at it in every regard, and I don't mean that from the political sense of that, I mean you just are you love life, you embrace life in such a way that like more than others that I've seen, like that are in difficult situations, so you're kind of different that way, and so then you like you like make a task list, and you and Shelly, your wife get by serious as two people could seriously be, right?
• 11:42
  Right, is that is that right?
• 11:44
  Make sense.
• 11:45
  Well, that's that's the other thing, Malcolm.
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  The fact that my wife is a pediatric nurse, but she's well respected in adult medicine.
• 11:53
  Uh, and her being able to be the anchor of information, and because things get really complicated, as you'll see, going on.
• 12:03
  Well, that's another thing I thought of actually with you previously.
• 12:06
  I I really did think about this with Shelly.
• 12:08
  I thought there were so many times, Dan over the years that you defied odds, and I thought, what the hell is it with this guy?
• 12:15
  He's super freaking human.
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  I mean, what is going on?
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  And and of course, I tried to be there for a year and try to give you encouragement to push forward.
• 12:23
  But look, we'll get into that.
• 12:25
  I mean, on the flip side, I was always worried, seriously.
• 12:28
  I never wanted to get that call or message from Shelly that you know, I didn't want to hear that, but BS, you know, and so I I was selfishly trying to keep you here as well.
• 12:38
  And uh, I mean, and yet I it's so when that would always come up, Daniel.
• 12:42
  I I would think uh, you know, I wonder how much of this has to do not only with your background, like the whole thing when you're sick is I'm guessing, Daniel.
• 12:51
  I'm thinking it's information, it's information overload, too.
• 12:55
  It's informative, but if you don't have the if you don't have the right information, if you don't have the right details, I mean I think you're screwed, and I see a lot of people that way that go down the road, and then it's like, oh my god, we're in the wrong path, man, and we got to get over here, or this was the wrong meds, or because you know, people don't really understand the healthcare medicine is still is not perfect at all.
• 13:16
  These people, these doctors and these people, they're guessing most of the time.
• 13:19
  Correct me, correct?
• 13:20
  Absolutely.
• 13:20
  They're guessing educated guess, educated guess, right?
• 13:23
  Medicine is an art as much as it is a science.
• 13:26
  There's no two ways about it.
• 13:28
  Okay, and you've got you've got to find people you trust, yeah, and you test what they know.
• 13:34
  I mean, your disease will eventually get you to trust what they know, but after that, it comes down to their faith in working with you in a partnership that you you can't describe in any other relationship.
• 13:48
  That's cool.
• 13:48
  That's cool.
• 13:49
  There's something that that this is gonna go on for 11 or 12 years.
• 13:52
  Well, that's cool.
• 13:53
  You call it a partnership, is really a very very good interesting way to put it that I wish a lot of people would look at it that way.
• 14:00
  But I always I wanted to finish that thought.
• 14:02
  I always think when you're going through these things, and I think you know, you get through you've gotten through so much, and I think is it because your background, is it because you know how to ask the right questions?
• 14:14
  Is it because you know, you because Shelly knows to ask the right questions?
• 14:20
  Is it because you demand from the health care certain things because it is so damn easy to get lost adrift in this healthcare business?
• 14:31
  It is so easy to get totally bonkers on it and be down the wrong path.
• 14:36
  And and then sometimes you know that you're compromising your life, and it's it's too late, it's too late, you know.
• 14:43
  No, no, absolutely.
• 14:44
  And the other thing that I've talked to so many people now in the last 11 years with cancers, yeah.
• 14:50
  And um, the one thing I I try to encourage them to do is to ask their physicians what questions should I be asking of you.
• 15:00
  Oh, ask the physician that ask the physician that yeah, tell tell me what I should be asking you.
• 15:07
  Okay, okay.
• 15:08
  That now that's cool.
• 15:08
  Hold on, that is great.
• 15:10
  That is that is really so.
• 15:11
  What did he say back when you asked that question?
• 15:13
  What does he say?
• 15:15
  Well, the the physicians that I've had are top notch with that.
• 15:18
  They say, I'd want to know this, I'd want to know that.
• 15:20
  I'd want to know, I'd look over here.
• 15:23
  If you want a second opinion, I can give you someone that doesn't like me.
• 15:27
  And uh you know, and and the other kind, those are the people that are so confident, yeah in who they are, knowing that nobody knows it all.
• 15:37
  And that they're up with the literature, they're up there connected into the protocols at the NIH and everything else, and you're on this journey together.
• 15:46
  Because this is the kind of journey I started with because this kind of leukemia is chronic, it never goes away.
• 15:51
  It oh, so you have once you have this, you've got it for the whole journey.
• 15:55
  That's right.
• 15:56
  It goes into remission, it goes into remission, right?
• 15:59
  But it's gotta come back.
• 16:01
  I see that.
• 16:02
  I didn't recognize that that first one was is now it not is every leukemia that way, or just this particular one.
• 16:08
  No, some leukemia just plain kill you, and no, but we'll can some no, I I understand that now because can some will some go away?
• 16:15
  Can you defeat that leukemia?
• 16:17
  Yeah, some of those you can, some of the other ones you can, but it's what I thought so.
• 16:20
  I think they have to go through some extremes.
• 16:23
  There's you know, um you need to get graphs and all kinds of other things, but the kind of leukemia I had, you know, there's there's this back and forth, Malcolm, between having heart disease and having uh this leukemia.
• 16:38
  So the um, excuse me here.
• 16:41
  Well, I uh yeah, I'm uh worrying about this leukemia now because we're gonna get admitted to the hospital, and this is back in 2000 almost 15.
• 16:53
  It's still late 2014.
• 16:56
  Right, I'm admitted to the hospital for seven days.
• 16:59
  They do these infusions, and there was no pill taking or anything else with this stuff, it was all chemicals that were you know, these immunolies and and akemotherapies as well.
• 17:11
  It's a mixed bag, and um, when they started these, we had everybody in the room.
• 17:16
  The the crash card team was there, and I nearly arrested uh right there in the hospital room.
• 17:22
  Now, this is the first round you're talking, Daniel.
• 17:24
  First round, because this infusion killed so many of these cells, they call it cell lysis.
• 17:30
  Yeah, and the the problem with this kind of leukemia, many people don't understand quick quick tutorial on that.
• 17:37
  White blood cells carry your immunity, right?
• 17:41
  And if you have leukemia, it starts producing cells that crowd out everything else, they just produce white cells, you know, galore.
• 17:51
  And before you know it, the white cell count keeps rising and rising and rising, it crowds out everything else in your bloodstream, and you have no immunity, they're immature white cells, so you end up with no immunity, your hemoglobin goes down, your oxygen carry capacity goes down.
• 18:08
  There's all kinds of other sequelli that happen with this, but the thing is to get that white count down, and you can deal with the immunity problems through other kinds of uh drugs.
• 18:19
  So uh I got I'm in this hospital bed and they put these chemicals in me, and I thought I'd bought the farm at that at that point.
• 18:29
  Um, but I didn't.
• 18:30
  We stayed on.
• 18:31
  They they admitted me to intensive care.
• 18:34
  I was in there for four days, and uh, we continued the infusions all the way through.
• 18:39
  Okay, got out that every month I had to come back for infusions.
• 18:42
  Now, in the meantime, I'm having bone marrow uh biopsies because they want to know that the genetic composition, it's not enough just to have it.
• 18:51
  There's different genetic pieces to this that change over time.
• 18:56
  I've had three different occurrences with this leukemia.
• 19:00
  Well, uh, we haven't even gone there yet.
• 19:02
  How long does this go on for, please?
• 19:03
  This first round, how long does it go on for?
• 19:05
  It goes on for six months.
• 19:07
  Okay, six months.
• 19:08
  Let's call let's call this cancer one in number one, okay?
• 19:10
  Cancer number one.
• 19:12
  All right, so that's six months.
• 19:14
  This goes on for okay, and you're battling through it now.
• 19:17
  Do you have the heart?
• 19:18
  What happens to the heart at that point?
• 19:20
  Is that still asking?
• 19:21
  It's the damned.
• 19:22
  Well, I know you have a heart, Dan.
• 19:24
  So come on, I know you've got a heart.
• 19:25
  So, what's happening to the heart?
• 19:27
  The heart they can't believe it.
• 19:30
  The heart disease completely vanished, completely vanished.
• 19:35
  The cardiologist doesn't know what to tell me.
• 19:38
  The oncologist is laughing her tail off because she now thinks she can solve heart disease by treating cancer.
• 19:46
  Dan, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:48
  Dan, I told you, I told you you were superhuman.
• 19:52
  I told you, man.
• 19:53
  I told you.
• 19:53
  It is there.
• 19:54
  It is so weird.
• 19:56
  So the heart thing blows up that goes away.
• 19:59
  See, yeah.
• 19:59
  Well.
• 20:00
  Well, probably because the goodness of your heart scared it.
• 20:02
  I don't know.
• 20:02
  But you you have a good heart.
• 20:03
  So all right.
• 20:04
  So you get through that.
• 20:05
  So six months.
• 20:07
  Six months.
• 20:07
  So when's the when's the next one happen?
• 20:09
  How far from that point that that hold on?
• 20:12
  Sick, you're six months after cancer number one.
• 20:15
  Yeah, the heart thing goes away.
• 20:16
  Well, I'm trying to get a big picture here, please.
• 20:18
  What happens how long before this next thing happens, please?
• 20:21
  Well, then I go on something called uh intravenous immunoglobulin therapy.
• 20:27
  Every month I gotta go in for seven hours and having I have to get other things to deal with my immunity.
• 20:34
  I don't have any.
• 20:35
  And so I'm I'm seeing my uh oncologist every month, sometimes twice a month, right?
• 20:41
  Uh all the way through, and then uh strange thing happens right around 2019.
• 20:49
  I have a hellacious car accident to where I'm hit from behind, it tails it spins my car across two other lanes that are going in the same direction, and it puts it into the oncoming traffic.
• 21:08
  I get hit head on by a pickup truck, and I'm unconscious, and I come to cons you know, the airbag is everything else, and I get rushed at the trauma center because they thought I had torn my aorta because of the uh, even though I had an airbag, this is a 2005 scion, Toyota Scion, uh that I've driven forever, and um the um airbag went off, but they're afraid that the belt uh seat belt strap across my chest may have sheared my aorta.
• 21:43
  So I go there, I've got bumps on my head, and I'm bleeding more than uh the that I was actually damaged.
• 21:51
  Well, they stay overnight and I'm fine.
• 21:53
  I walk away from that, yeah.
• 21:55
  Uh just fine, but nobody can believe I walked away from the accident that I got thrown into another lane, and the other lane had no time to stop, they just hit me at 35 miles an hour head on.
• 22:09
  Yeah, and uh that was that was yeah, when that happens, it's a rude awakening.
• 22:14
  It happened to my wife, uh just you know, it it a similar story, Dan, but uh yeah, yeah, it was a head-on collision.
• 22:21
  Somebody came across the two lanes, right?
• 22:23
  And hit her in a head on collision, uh, her and my son, and put them in a ditch.
• 22:27
  And by the way, this was just weeks before COVID 19, the Delta variant struck our family, uh struck D and I, and uh D got very, very sick.
• 22:40
  She almost died from it all.
• 22:41
  I know and uh really, really ill, yeah.
• 22:43
  And uh Dan, what year?
• 22:45
  I don't remember when you came on the network and we did that show.
• 22:47
  No, what year did we meet?
• 22:48
  How when was it?
• 22:49
  Do you remember?
• 22:50
  I think it was sometime in late 2018.
• 22:53
  Six years, we've known each other for six really okay.
• 22:56
  Fantastic.
• 22:57
  Wow.
• 22:58
  Well, you know, Malcolm, you've been uh we'll get into this later, but just to stop here, you have been everything in my life.
• 23:06
  Oh my wife is um every she doesn't hate me, does she?
• 23:12
  No, no.
• 23:13
  Every time I we talk, you know, I come down, she says, I know you talk to Malcolm.
• 23:17
  You're you know, I gotta bring you down off the ceiling, you know.
• 23:21
  He says, You lift he lifts your spirits.
• 23:23
  He says, I love you, I take care of you, everything else, and I can't do what Malcolm does.
• 23:28
  So it's hilarious.
• 23:31
  Yeah, this can become a family joke almost now.
• 23:34
  She's ah she rolls her eyes and everything else.
• 23:36
  I love it.
• 23:37
  I gotta meet Shelly.
• 23:38
  I haven't met her in person, but we've done you've called me at times when I thought it was it was uh gonna be over.
• 23:50
  But uh yeah, and those times I could feel I could feel your energy being really low.
• 23:55
  But there was still, but but but there was still some sort of a sparkle in you, Daniel, that I I did recognize, and it is that thirst for life that you have, like it's like no other.
• 24:06
  It's like it's like a secret, just like that thing that Superman takes, you know.
• 24:09
  What is that called?
• 24:10
  That stuff he takes that he, you know, yeah, flies buildings or stuff.
• 24:13
  That's probably you.
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  I don't know, but you there's that sense in there, but there were those times you were pretty pretty low.
• 24:20
  Yeah, and I felt really um that I had to try to raise you up a little bit, buddy.
• 24:25
  As we as we go on, you'll get the stories really get incredibly bizarre.
• 24:30
  Yeah, well, they do, and this happened in such a short period of time, and I didn't recognize uh, frankly, I was trying to remember how short of a period of time it was.
• 24:37
  This all happened a relatively short period of time, Daniel.
• 24:40
  Well, yeah, and it uh yeah, from 2004.
• 24:44
  Well, it's been it started in 2014, it's still going on to well.
• 24:48
  Hello, what you've been through in 10 10 years is like 10 is like 10 lifetimes for somebody, but you know it I just let life come at me because I know there's other uh there's higher powers that are watching out for me, they always have to take you on a short um those higher powers, those not to change your subject, those higher powers you're talking about and what they're given to you and send it to you.
• 25:16
  Uh this is my emergency button.
• 25:18
  You press it twice, yeah, and you don't worry after that, you know.
• 25:23
  The uh I know I'm in good hands, and um the um it's really important.
• 25:30
  My faith is very important, it always has been.
• 25:32
  I was raised Catholic in a Polish community in Indiana when I first growing up and moved to Arizona very early, but it's great.
• 25:40
  I want to tell you a story about Arizona.
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  When I was uh seven years old, my parents took a trip to Arizona on a family vacation.
• 25:48
  We drove out there with a trailer behind us, and we were going to go visit the Grand Canyon from Flagstaff.
• 25:54
  So we're driving toward Flagstaff.
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  We have to go up a huge incline, right?
• 25:59
  And it's like 40 feet, you know, embankments down, uh, at this big wedge we're driving up along the way, and uh like uh my three sisters at the time.
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  We had more sisters after that, but three sisters at the time, and and I'm there, and of course, we're doing what all kids do, uh not getting along and teasing each other and everything else.
• 26:21
  And the next thing I know, I'm on the desert floor, right?
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  40 40 foot embankment, down thrown out of the car, all of us were thrown out of the car, and a person behind us tried to pass in a no-passing situation, couldn't couldn't make it, swerved back in, hit the trailer, and it flipped everything over, and all of us were ejected from the car.
• 26:47
  Yeah, and I woke up on the desert floor, and all I could see what I could get my eyes focused was a light, and it was the sun, but I couldn't make any sense out of what happened to me.
• 27:01
  Now, all of us eventually walked away from that.
• 27:04
  My mother was brutally uh damaged with her back.
• 27:08
  I had a sister that had to stay in a hospital for almost four months in Flagstaff and had broken her bones and too many places to count.
• 27:18
  But I always look back at that to say, God, that was really miraculous.
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  We walked away from that.
• 27:25
  Daniel, when was that?
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  Do you remember when that was?
• 27:28
  Yeah, there was uh 1950 56, 1956.
• 27:32
  I was I wasn't here, brother.
• 27:34
  Yeah, I hear you.
• 27:35
  And uh I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying I wasn't I've always I've always held on to that as sort of a uh a special event, and then I come up with a car accident in 2019, and it's the same kind of stuff, and and I I thank my lucky uh my lucky stars for for that, but it it fits into this journey, and uh I'll tell you later how it does fit in.
• 27:59
  So, anyways, 2019, I get out of the hospital, and my white count starts to go up again, and so now we're into the 60,000 or up to 70,000 or up to 85,000.
• 28:13
  And the oncologist says, Well, it's time we're gonna have to treat this again, and it's been uh almost four years it went into revision, so now I've relapsed and I'm gonna have to go on treatment.
• 28:25
  But things have advanced so much, especially for a disease that it there's not that many of us.
• 28:32
  It came in pill form, and they'd repurposed a lot of drugs they found out work very well with uh combating this disease, and after six months of this therapy and the IV injections all along and other kinds of drugs they put in me.
• 28:49
  Um I came through uh that we went into remission, and so that moved along right up to uh Janiel.
• 28:57
  Let me ask you a question.
• 28:58
  If this had happened, let's say uh um you you just made me think of something here.
• 29:02
  This had happened, I don't know, uh 20 years prior.
• 29:06
  Because a lot of these drugs, your meds, you're right.
• 29:09
  The repurposing of meds is a really big deal, a really big deal.
• 29:13
  It really is.
• 29:13
  And I'm seeing it in all walks of life on the network and things we I talk about with the doctors with the MDs and what have you, and it's amazing.
• 29:21
  And and we try to get this information out to our listeners and all, so they know informed this information.
• 29:27
  So if this had been 20 years earlier, whatever the case, it's safe to say those meds wouldn't be here, and you probably wouldn't be here.
• 29:34
  No one was gonna develop a drug for this disease because there's not enough of us, exactly.
• 29:38
  But if they could pull something off the shelf and figure out how they can you know put it in uh a deliverable form, and this saved me all kinds of time and headaches and everything else.
• 29:50
  Um you know, you get stuck so many times with IVs, and even if you they stick a port in your chest and uh to have immediate access.
• 30:00
  uh to your bigger veins after it's just being a pincushion is is a real pain but uh it's it's a lot better than the alternatives so i i went through that and i went into remission again so we're in uh 2021 20 to 22 no that was the second that was the second time second second yeah round and uh a lot of people have have this relapse lot that's pretty pretty common okay but uh but but but but that relapse let me make sure of something daniel that relapse that second time that was still from the remission from the first time it's not a different cancer right the same cancer well no it's not a different cancer but here's the strange part we don't we have moffitt cancer uh center here very fortunate we do in the Tampa area yeah and uh I was up there for a major consultations it turned out the genetics of this second about with leuka the genetics were different and they gave me a 20 survivability at five years 20 percent 20 percent for this this is a whole different ball game i mean this isn't just the same old CLL coming back this was the CLL with a punch okay and the genetics are remarkable in terms of how they can map these genes out now so we said well this you know we can't really change it all we can do is treat it and hope for the best and so I'm going around in remission and things seem to be fine and we're in 2022 now and um I begin to notice on my left side uh right off of you know my uh center of my uh uh left chest there's a lump and when I pressed on the lump it really hurts and it's like something I never really noticed before but then of course I'm pushing the hell out of it all the time trying to figure out what this could possibly be that I that I hit myself in in the chest with some of the pipes or something else I've been moving around and uh this one I remember by the way this one I remember totally yeah yeah we went in for mammograms those are a lot of fun if you're a male let me tell you you gotta find enough breast to put in these uh mammogram uh things and it then it looked very cancerous and then they did a biopsy and it turns out that I had breast cancer well this is not so usual in patients with CL are it's not that usual in men period uh to have breast cancer um and it turns out wait a minute it is unusual it is unusual for men to have it is so it's very unusual what right that's your rear that's what yeah yeah right what are the stats uh on that like it's one in what because Ian what is it oh compared to females I mean there's the one in one hundredth compared to what females are going through I mean it's just it and this is not just my mine I had to go through all kinds of genetic tests they had a punk pump do pumps of punctures of my skin to get those genetics and uh the uh keep the tears out of the way the uh uh it turns out I had lymph node involvement but genetically I had no connections to any genetics it's like it out of the clear blue I got breast cancer it's does this have anything to do with the did this have anything to do with the other cancers no totally unrelated exactly had nothing to do with it yeah yeah yeah in fact if you you know I've i i've uh I use chat gpt at the higher levels of chat gpt and and uh you you run the probabilities and you know there are fewer than about uh two thousand people uh and that's all combined that have CLL and breast cancer and then it's it's you know it's a pittance of that all right I I remember the call we had on the breast cancer yeah and I remember how how odd how strange it was and how you were sort of like you couldn't even still believe it when we talked you were like wow what are the chances of this and you but you but but hold on but when we were talking you still on that call you still laughed about the whole thing you still had optimism and you laughed about it.
• 34:34
  You did yeah yeah and you say what are the chances Malcolm you know and and you had this that's what I'm talking about even though your energy has sort of been hit you've been you've been hit pretty hard there's still that measure there's there's still that spark in you that says okay I'm gonna kick its ass I'm gonna do something here there's still that there somewhere but you you weren't defeated yet but you you were um recognizing there would be another bet and in fact you actually started to say well all right I gotta prepare I got to do this I gotta do that I got to do this I got to do that but I think the chances are pretty good if we do this this and this and you know Malcolm I I think we have a good shot and by the way the other one is still a remission so you know what hey I've got some time on my hands we'll just fight this one sure right right well and I I wasn't um unaware of the things that I had to make sure we're put in place for my family we revisited the wills and all those kinds of things yeah but uh if I go I go I mean I've never I've never been worried about that I've never been worried about my place in I wonder if that has something to do with it whereas I I don't know I'm just thinking about this here now most people have a fear of dying and but everybody does and they don't want to die and I don't think anybody I know wants to die specifically but some people have a higher fear than other people oh sure whatever could not knowing what is on the other side of that thing.
• 35:54
  And let's face it Daniel I mean we we have faith we have we feel good we do this we do that but nobody has come back and told us yet what's really over there you understand we keep waiting for somebody to do that to tell us you know but it never happens it never happens right it won't be it won't be me but you know every time I have those every time I have those fears Malcolm I walk outside on a dark night and I look up at the heavens and I go somebody did all this you know that you know yeah it yeah you know you get your grounding to figure out that I can intellectualize this and a lot of people with an IQ above 80 again to worry about there's nothing there on the other side there is there no but but but but it would be nice um you know making fun of that situation but it would be awfully nice to have that proof wouldn't it you know yeah I get it in writing would be uh helpful and uh have your have your lawyer you know sign on and to the testimonial but um this is just another bizarre thing just totally bizarre you know and at first thing you think well how could it be related to the leukemia well it's not genetically it's not there's no reason for it and we can't even think of why this could happen other than I was in Poland the the day Chernobyl went off in in Russia but we don't you know we joke about that we don't think that that had anything to do with um with so I I get this then I get a surgeon well then you got to learn all about this and of course they have a big uh breast cancer thing here in in uh clear water at uh at uh uh Bay care and uh they are a whole bevy of surgeons really outstanding surgeons it's a big female population I go in a waiting room my wife and I go in the waiting room and they're all they all want to talk to her because they think she's the one with the breast cancer obviously yeah she says no I'm here my husband he's got the breast cancer and they all go I didn't know men could get breast cancer you know wow uh well you know and I've I've been uh on X at a lot of other places you know signaling that yeah gosh guys you can get breast cancer so you get you get this feeling somewhere go get it checked out no matter how stupid it is well and I was wondering back to that like if it were yeah I was wondering where it was when you said it hurt a lot if that I was wondering to myself if that was a bonus versus in other words if it was more hidden in the breast or something you might not feel that a lot of them a lot of it is and what happens it gets way downstream before the the big concern about breast cancer is getting it before it has lymph 100% 100% so that was another blessing though in your life if you think about it the fact that you felt it and you felt the pain was another blessing just like some of these accidents or some of these other things that happened Daniel that was another blessing right a little because another ladder in the way I did have lymph node involvement and had I waited another two or three months it would have gone and metastasize in all different parts of my body all right so we went in for this went in for the surgery yeah it is simple radical it cut out everything cut out on you know my lymph nodes on this side and that was a big problem because having your lymph nodes go causes other kinds of problems and people can read about it but I didn't have those problems and I recovered from the surgery very well um and uh then we scheduled 25 sessions of radiation therapy right that's right uh that's then you got to learn all about the rate irradiation that's well I want to talk about that but but I I need to give me a couple of minutes if you can here okay okay uh I I need to talk to listeners here and our viewers here just a moment here please okay and we'll talk more about what Daniel's talking about here in just a moment here but you know um as you know we talk about with project out loud now we don't have specific ads and things we run or any of that it's a little different the program is but what I am here
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  Hey, we're back with you here on Project Out Loud.
• 44:52
  Talking of Daniel Baronowski, uh affectionately known as Brother Daniel.
• 44:56
  You you had to have vaccines.
• 44:57
  I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but did you have the vaccine?
• 44:59
  Oh, I did.
• 45:00
  I did.
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  I took the COVID vaccine.
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  One, two, three boosters.
• 45:04
  I did I did one, I did one and then two.
• 45:08
  I after that, I got COVID.
• 45:10
  I got hospitalized for that.
• 45:12
  Well, everybody who took them got COVID, by the way.
• 45:14
  The people who didn't get COVID are the people who didn't have the vaccines.
• 45:17
  Yeah, think about that for a moment.
• 45:18
  Think about that.
• 45:19
  I didn't fight and Fauci on all the social media through the whole time as a respiratory therapist.
• 45:24
  Anybody knew that no matter how many masks you had on, even if you didn't breathe, yeah, you were getting this stuff was infectious.
• 45:34
  Uh, but that's that's another well, it is another story, but it's but it's a real story.
• 45:38
  Um terrible story.
• 45:40
  What happened to our country?
• 45:42
  One time we'll talk about it more.
• 45:43
  But yeah, you know, it's um it changed us in ways.
• 45:47
  It changed it changed people, Daniel, in ways that I think people uh appreciate their health more now.
• 45:54
  We become, I want to say to you, we become a more health conscious country.
• 46:00
  We become a more health conscious people.
• 46:02
  Uh I find it and you know, it's become sort of I think, and I know I think you believe you know this, but it's become sort of the gravity, uh, the center point, the gravity of America Out Loud, even and it was that from the early days because we helped millions of people fight with the COVID fight, doing the QA's, doing all the things we do.
• 46:20
  I mean, we did it on a big scale.
• 46:22
  And and I think we become very much more health conscious as a people.
• 46:26
  And so we take care of our health more.
• 46:28
  Uh for me, the cat's words are your immune system.
• 46:30
  If you have a healthy immune system, you're in better position to fight these things when you get these pathogens or problems that enter into your body.
• 46:39
  And there are things you can do to stop that off, but you have to be uh you have to be uh aware of it.
• 46:45
  And you know what I often say, brother.
• 46:46
  Um, and and uh I think you agree with me here.
• 46:49
  And I tell Peter that Peter McCullough this, uh Dr.
• 46:52
  McCullough all the time.
• 46:53
  This you have to play offense with your health and your life, not defense.
• 46:57
  You got to play offense.
• 46:58
  Okay, right.
• 46:58
  If you stay on offense and do like the things I take, I do them to be offense.
• 47:03
  I'm very, very particular about this stuff.
• 47:05
  And the things I take, I play offense all the time.
• 47:08
  Uh, and that puts you ahead of the game.
• 47:10
  All right.
• 47:10
  I want to get I there's a lot of things I want to talk about in the big picture of life here with you.
• 47:14
  So let me move.
• 47:14
  No, I want to jump ahead here a little bit here.
• 47:17
  Now, right now, as it is, let's bring people up to each.
• 47:20
  So you've had you've had one, two.
• 47:21
  If we put this in a capsule, how many how many cancers?
• 47:25
  One, two, three, four.
• 47:27
  Uh three uh occurrences of LL.
• 47:32
  Which the probability of that puts me in a clasp of about 500 people in the country that have made it to three of these.
• 47:41
  In a breast cancer thing, put you in the accident case, there's only one on the planet, by the way.
• 47:45
  Yeah, that's about it.
• 47:46
  Yeah, with stage four, stage four cancer.
• 47:51
  You're a walk-in miracle.
• 47:52
  Yeah, and so I'm going, well, that's just you know, so we got through the 25 sessions of radiation, and that will really that that's like you can't even imagine how tired that makes you.
• 48:05
  And then you have to worry about your skin too, because you know, it's talk about a tanning, but this is another whole experience.
• 48:12
  So, anyway, we get through that.
• 48:14
  We think everything's gonna be fine.
• 48:16
  Let me pause this.
• 48:17
  I want to ask you something about radiation, please.
• 48:19
  I I I'll forget this if I don't.
• 48:22
  So you um you you had all that radiation with the breast cancer, right?
• 48:26
  Yeah, and I was worried, I was uh uh how many doses again?
• 48:29
  20, 20 something, 25?
• 48:31
  25, 25 sessions.
• 48:32
  Sessions, okay.
• 48:33
  All right.
• 48:34
  When you told me this, I was really concerned for you because uh I've become uh just because I've seen other people and the experiences of what they've gone through.
• 48:44
  And I could I could be totally wrong here, and please tell me that I am or not, but I've become uh kind of anti-radiation and anti-chemotherapy a bit when I see the harm it does to bodies.
• 48:56
  Well, I'm just saying here.
• 48:57
  I I've see people that take it and it uh they they it actually kills you from the chemotherapy and radiation kill.
• 49:05
  You're not the problem you started with.
• 49:06
  And I've seen this happen in multiple times of my life.
• 49:10
  And I so I've become sort of if a doctor tells me that and I got this problem.
• 49:14
  I'm I I initially want to think into myself.
• 49:16
  First of all, I want to talk to all my natural health doctors.
• 49:19
  I want to talk to about my natural healers.
• 49:21
  I want to talk to some of the trusted uh allopathic, the MDs I know and love and trust.
• 49:25
  Uh I've got a whole bunch of them on the platform here.
• 49:28
  I can certainly get their advice and thoughts on things, but then I want to step back.
• 49:31
  I don't want to, I'm not gonna be a guinea pig and just walk into somebody's office and say, okay, uh, you know, we're gonna give you 25, 26 rounds of radiation, and we're gonna give you chemotherapy up to yin yang.
• 49:41
  And I'm gonna say, hey, doc, I don't want that shit.
• 49:43
  You know, I just don't want that, you know.
• 49:45
  So what am how wrong am I for for having that kind of an attitude?
• 49:49
  I'm wondering.
• 49:49
  I don't know.
• 49:50
  You're you're wrong.
• 49:51
  You're wrong, Malcolm.
• 49:52
  I I thought you'd tell me that.
• 49:54
  That's why I put it out there.
• 49:55
  They and it depends on where you're at, place and time.
• 49:59
  You know, all
• 50:00
  Once again, over here and in the Baycare system on this particular campus that I go to just down the street from us.
• 50:06
  Right.
• 50:07
  The uh uh Moffat has a radiation uh center.
• 50:11
  It's incredible facility.
• 50:14
  These people really know what they're doing.
• 50:16
  And for some things, you you can't treat it any other way.
• 50:20
  Well, how hard was it to go through?
• 50:22
  Let me ask how hard was it to go through those 25 sessions of radiation, but how hard was it?
• 50:27
  Yeah, it was tough.
• 50:28
  It was it wasn't life excruciating because you know, you just you just have to get to the end.
• 50:35
  All right, anyway.
• 50:36
  So you you tell yourself you got to get to the end, you got all this going.
• 50:39
  It's hard, it's tough, it pulls you down.
• 50:41
  It it you're you got all kinds of uh uh what what do you call it?
• 50:45
  Um side effects, right?
• 50:46
  Side effects of that stuff.
• 50:47
  There's g laws, side effects galore.
• 50:50
  I mean, you you're not living your life in any kind of capacity, but you have but the thing about you, you have your mind on the end goal.
• 50:57
  You're you're you are like a dog with a bone like no other, and you have your mind on the end goal.
• 51:02
  And when because when I'm talking to you, and you're saying, you know, yeah, I got this, I get this.
• 51:06
  I'm I'm pushing through it, Malcolm.
• 51:07
  And I say, okay, I say let me know.
• 51:09
  And then sometimes when I don't, and you know, I gotta tell you honestly.
• 51:12
  Sometimes when I didn't hear from you for uh a week or two or whatever, I would um get um a little edgy, a little edgy, you know.
• 51:22
  That's something that happened.
• 51:23
  And and Dee would say to me, and she'll hear this, by the way.
• 51:26
  And she would say to me, she she would say to me, Have you heard from Daniel?
• 51:31
  And I I said, 'Not in the last week or two, I don't know.' I said, Uh, but I'm sure everything'd be okay.
• 51:38
  Shelley would let me know if things were rough or something was happening here, you know.
• 51:41
  Well, she's asking me, have you talked to Malcolm recently?
• 51:46
  So you know, it's never you're always on my mind.
• 51:50
  I mean, it's a funny thing, and you know, then you would call at times and I'd go, uh, you know, I've any time you text, I have a uh uh uh a thing that lets me know that it's a notification, notification.
• 52:08
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:08
  It's a dog barking.
• 52:10
  And you sucker, you oh man, a dog market I love it.
• 52:16
  And every time it goes off at Shelley here, she says, Oh, it's Malcolm.
• 52:20
  Okay, it should have been an elephant sound with the Republic, right?
• 52:25
  Put an elephant sound on there, man.
• 52:27
  So it's not a jackass.
• 52:28
  Now we're not a jackass, we don't do the time.
• 52:37
  Like somebody signaled you and said, This is the time to call.
• 52:41
  And you would call and I just come up off the ground wherever I was, placing time, and then the rest of the day, I I'm just walking on air.
• 52:50
  Wow, uh, no matter what what was going on.
• 52:52
  I mean, you pulled my bacon out of the fire so many times.
• 52:56
  Well, there was it, you know, Daniel.
• 52:58
  Let's explain that somehow.
• 52:59
  There, you know, people are here on this wondering what is it.
• 53:01
  There was some kind of a synergy connection uh with our uh lives, I guess, in some way, Daniel.
• 53:07
  It's hard to say, and it just happened.
• 53:10
  These things are not made up, they just don't, you know, you can't force that stuff.
• 53:13
  Yeah, yeah.
• 53:14
  You can't force that stuff.
• 53:15
  It just is very genuine and very real.
• 53:18
  Uh, it's the way I love to live my life, buddy.
• 53:20
  Uh you know, in every aspect of it.
• 53:22
  I mean, the good, the bad, the ugly, whatever, you know, we're all human, right?
• 53:26
  All right, we do the best we can every day.
• 53:28
  Uh, but there was a connection with us somewhere in all of that.
• 53:31
  And uh, you know, you I just seen you as somebody different, uh, early, early on, early in the fight.
• 53:37
  I'm saying, early in the fight.
• 53:38
  And you had the show you were doing.
• 53:40
  You were you were you had a show at one point early on.
• 53:42
  This is before everything we did two years ago.
• 53:46
  You had a phenomenal show.
• 53:47
  The free and I had listeners who asked what the what happened to Daniel.
• 53:51
  Oh man, they wanted to know what happened.
• 53:53
  They loved hearing you at nine in the morning before Viewpoint this Sunday.
• 53:57
  You were on on Sunday, and then Sandy as well.
• 53:59
  And it was, and it was called, and I remember it right here on my mind, The Frankly Daniel Show.
• 54:04
  Is that right?
• 54:05
  Yes, yes, that's what it was.
• 54:06
  I met my middle name as Francis.
• 54:08
  So I play all the time.
• 54:10
  So I was hoping at some point you'd come back, and and I know you wanted to, man.
• 54:14
  I know you wanted to.
• 54:15
  You wanted to do it in a big way, but you weren't in a position at that time.
• 54:19
  The energy has been taxing, and I've continued on as a as a columnist with you.
• 54:24
  You've been very clear.
• 54:24
  Yeah, you're a writer, you're a writer for the network.
• 54:26
  Yeah, yeah.
• 54:27
  Yeah, you're you're in fact.
• 54:28
  If you go to authors and hosts, let me tell folks, if you go up to authors and hosts on the menu and look for Daniel Baronowski, or look for look for superhuman.
• 54:36
  I have to put that up on the menu now.
• 54:38
  And Daniel Superhuman Baronowski.
• 54:41
  It's a little long.
• 54:42
  Could you shorten up your last name a little bit, please?
• 54:44
  Daniel Superhuman B period.
• 54:48
  Like, you know, Dale or No.
• 54:51
  We'll do we'll do we'll do we'll do Daniel, uh, superhuman in quotes there and B period.
• 54:57
  B period.
• 54:58
  Yeah.
• 54:58
  Anyways, anyways.
• 55:00
  Uh, but go and look at some of his writings or some of the things he's done, you know.
• 55:03
  So yeah, it's got some good stuff up there.
• 55:06
  No, I mean, you you know, it's funny because we've shared stuff with each other that I would never share with anybody except I was gonna say, don't be repeating all that stuff here, Daniel, please.
• 55:17
  No, no, I mean, no, you get me in trouble.
• 55:20
  And uh, and you've been uh as open as if you know uh we grew up out of grade school together.
• 55:27
  I mean, it's just um it's uh it's wonderful, and I I revel in it and I depend on it.
• 55:33
  Well, all right.
• 55:34
  Now that you're on this topic, this is one of the things uh, you know, it's what why I just so wanted to uh well okay.
• 55:40
  Let me confess something here to you, please.
• 55:42
  Okay, because that's what I do.
• 55:43
  You know, I'm always uh I'm always uh I'm always in confession, Daniel.
• 55:48
  So uh but uh I well uh I'm just saying that um you know uh this conversation today and having with you, and and I want to talk about big picture here in just a moment, please.
• 56:02
  I want to I want to turn the corner here and take really uh advantage of the time, please.
• 56:06
  Okay, and here's the thing.
• 56:07
  Um I it was so important to me personally, I have to share with you to document this story.
• 56:14
  Uh I didn't want something, I I just did not want something to happen to you where I did not have this down.
• 56:21
  I there was something compelling in me, and I s I don't know what you call this, but I just needed to document this story.
• 56:29
  I needed to have it historically, and I'll tell you why another one thing here.
• 56:33
  There was another special man.
• 56:35
  I have to share this with you now.
• 56:36
  There was another special man on our platform years back, and I and let me just get the story out.
• 56:41
  This is a hard one.
• 56:42
  It's brief, it's brief.
• 56:42
  So bear with and you'll remember the name, you'll remember the name.
• 56:46
  Dr.
• 56:46
  J.
• 56:47
  Lear.
• 56:47
  Yeah you remember Dr.
• 56:48
  J.
• 56:49
  Lear.
• 56:49
  Oh, yeah.
• 56:50
  L E H R.
• 56:51
  Remember he he wrote, he was a big writer, he was on a lot of the shows, everything.
• 56:54
  All right, yeah.
• 56:55
  So Dr.
• 56:56
  J.
• 56:56
  Lear was a marvelous, marvelous man.
• 56:59
  And those of you who've listened to him or know him over the years, uh, he was on the platform phenomenal writer, couldn't do enough for Malcolm, couldn't do enough for America out loud.
• 57:08
  There was a fondness and a connection with him I truly admired.
• 57:11
  And uh I had never met him in person, as I had not met you in person.
• 57:15
  Yeah, and a lot of people on this network have not met in person.
• 57:18
  That will change your head.
• 57:19
  That's gonna change your head.
• 57:20
  And I can't tell you today why that's gonna change your head, but there's something special happening on the network that I'll be sharing with you very soon, my friends.
• 57:29
  I'm telling you, and we will have a chance to meet all of us.
• 57:32
  How's that?
• 57:33
  So just just leave it there.
• 57:34
  I can't stand anything more, but something's going on.
• 57:37
  All right.
• 57:37
  Now, so I I Dr.
• 57:40
  Jay Lear wanted to, there was a Thanksgiving that came up, and there was, and I again I'd never met him.
• 57:45
  There was a mutual person we knew that he was invited to their house for Thanksgiving that was not too far off from where I'm at.
• 57:54
  And he asked me to come down and share the holiday with him.
• 57:57
  He won, he's so he said to me, he this is what he said to me.
• 58:00
  You know, Malcolm, I've met a lot of he he was a very successful man uh in every aspect of his life, scientist, brilliant, brilliant man, and uh work with some very esteemed people.
• 58:10
  And um uh yeah, he he would say to me, you know, uh, I've met a lot of people, done a lot of things.
• 58:17
  Uh, but there's one person I want to meet before I pass away, it's gonna be you.
• 58:23
  And that's what he said to me one time.
• 58:25
  And we had all these experiences on here all the time.
• 58:27
  I had them on radio all the time.
• 58:29
  We did he did articles, everything else, it was marvelous, and it was such an incredible voice, incredible human being, and it was a joy to have him here.
• 58:36
  And then uh he wanted me to get together for the Thanksgiving.
• 58:40
  And of course, my wife had already had plans and couldn't.
• 58:42
  We couldn't arrange that.
• 58:44
  And the the mutual friend who arranged this wanted me to come there and do this, and I wanted to, but could not.
• 58:52
  And so I and that was the chance I had to meet him, and I blew it.
• 58:56
  I blew it, and uh he passed away unexpectedly, totally unexpectedly, out of the blue one day, never had the cancers, never had any of that, never had any warnings, never signs.
• 59:06
  Yeah, he got up one day, and while she was out of the house, his wife is amazing wife, by the way, was outside doing some things.
• 59:13
  He fell down, had a heart attack, passed off, and that was it, done over with.
• 59:18
  Just lost or lost him from a heart attack, massive heart attack.
• 59:21
  And um, just out of the blue, so totally healthy.
• 59:23
  He was a marathon.
• 59:24
  The guy was a marathon.
• 59:25
  Uh, it was on many, many marathons.
• 59:27
  I was so healthy, and that's it took his life at that point.
• 59:31
  So I never had a chance to meet him in person.
• 59:33
  I never had a chance to document his life.
• 59:35
  People still today message me and email me on the platform asking me if I could bring some of Dr.
• 59:40
  J.
• 59:40
  Lear's uh stuff out, his uh write-ins, his voices, other things that's how successful he was.
• 59:46
  So I in the same regard, I hold you in that same high uh thank you know, regard and that highest, highest regard.
• 59:53
  So for my own selfish reasons, um I could I I you were somebody I had to document this story with.
• 1:00:00
  And it was so important to me to have you on as a friend as a very dear friend and somebody.
• 1:00:05
  And I wanted the world to know what an inspiration you are, no matter what happens.
• 1:00:09
  And I wanted them to know big picture.
• 1:00:10
  So let's talk big picture 30,000 feet.
• 1:00:13
  So right now, to give us uh only give us a minute here and tell us how are you doing right now, please.
• 1:00:19
  So listeners know how you're doing right now.
• 1:00:21
  Gotta know.
• 1:00:21
  Gotta know.
• 1:00:22
  Well, I'm doing pretty good.
• 1:00:24
  Um, in fact, I probably feel better now than I have felt at a stretch of time.
• 1:00:30
  And it's only happened in about the last three weeks.
• 1:00:33
  It took it, we gotta get to the rest of the story because large things get even more bizarre.
• 1:00:40
  Uh, and let me finish up with that.
• 1:00:42
  It'll get to why it's taken so long to resurface on the other end.
• 1:00:47
  Um, thanks to your support, and certainly my wife's and the physicians.
• 1:00:53
  Uh this earlier, uh, this year, is a very early in January.
• 1:01:00
  I came down with the third relapse of leukemia, that's the third CLL.
• 1:01:06
  And we knew we had to wanted to hold off because now the medication I'm on is no longer a six-month deal, it's for the rest of my life.
• 1:01:14
  I have to be on this medication, and it's very expensive.
• 1:01:17
  But if the drug companies weren't supporting me because of my case, you're you hate to have your identity turn in to be Mr.
• 1:01:25
  Cancer.
• 1:01:26
  But um they're supporting it, and so um we we knew we had to treat this again coming up, and my oncologists want to wait as long as possible because of um because of of just having to do this a third time is really serious.
• 1:01:44
  So I got really sick at the end of January and had to be hospitalized.
• 1:01:49
  I had uh plurally fusions.
• 1:01:52
  I you know, I had all kinds of things going wrong systematically with me.
• 1:01:56
  So they put me in the hospital for six days, patch me up, and my physician.
• 1:02:01
  Every time we'd go back on some medication for the CLL, she would do a uh radioisotope examination called a pet scan, and they put radioisotopes into your blood system, and these isotopes will aggregate around high metabolic areas, and cancer cells are reproducing four or five, six times faster than your normal cell metabolism goes on.
• 1:02:26
  So all these things congregate in an area where there's very high metabolic activity.
• 1:02:32
  Well, mine came back, it was my liver, and so I'm going can't have liver cancer now.
• 1:02:39
  My nerves, what intardation's going on, and yeah, I had liver cancer.
• 1:02:44
  Uh and did you even did you even know it at the time?
• 1:02:48
  No, no, I because I never heard I never heard you say this.
• 1:02:52
  That's why I'm asking.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah, no, no, it it it's so bizarre, and uh wow, and so it it took to May to where we really began to explore what to do about this cancer.
• 1:03:05
  We had to first identify it, so I have liver biopsies.
• 1:03:10
  That's not a fun experience.
• 1:03:11
  And this is a different cancer, it's not connected to the other again.
• 1:03:14
  Is that right?
• 1:03:15
  It is, and here's here's the really strange thing.
• 1:03:18
  Okay, all right.
• 1:03:19
  We thought we'd killed the breast cancer.
• 1:03:22
  Okay, you know, we cut it all out, we radiated it to death.
• 1:03:26
  Yep, I know what you're gonna say.
• 1:03:27
  Yep, yeah.
• 1:03:28
  So it metastasized to my liver.
• 1:03:30
  I hear this a lot from people, so I'm not supposed to be that Malcolm.
• 1:03:34
  The CLL joined it.
• 1:03:36
  So in these two liver tumors that I have, one big one, a relatively big one, and one not so big.
• 1:03:43
  Wow, they have both cells, both CL and the uh breast cancer.
• 1:03:50
  So now I have stage four liver cancer, too.
• 1:03:53
  Right now, right now, right now.
• 1:03:55
  Okay, and so uh they uh wow so this should be how many so it's this five, is this five now?
• 1:04:02
  Number five.
• 1:04:03
  Uh well it yeah, there's three three CLLs, three breast cancer now twice, but one in my liver.
• 1:04:11
  Five sister six they took up real estate, you know, talk about housing needs.
• 1:04:17
  So but do we consider this number six?
• 1:04:19
  I mean, is that fair?
• 1:04:20
  I don't even count like that.
• 1:04:21
  But I am I don't you know, I just whatever.
• 1:04:24
  All right, and so what how do you but what's the what's the prognosis right now?
• 1:04:29
  Well they don't know and you laugh about it every time.
• 1:04:34
  I I I question question uh chat GPT, and we have a very uh uh strange relationship that AI and I do, but uh they uh they do good work for me, and they said I we uh we can't we don't have any probabilities.
• 1:04:47
  We can't we have access to every database.
• 1:04:50
  I've written several codes for you.
• 1:04:52
  We've examined all this.
• 1:04:53
  We can't even come up with it.
• 1:04:55
  So you're going down the road with this AI stuff, huh?
• 1:04:57
  You're really studying it.
• 1:04:58
  You're well, yeah.
• 1:04:59
  I I've learned I learned that if you asked the right question, did you?
• 1:05:03
  Oh, yeah, yes, yes, it's the same, and you know, you do the same technique, by the way, Malcolm.
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:07
  I ask AI what I should be asking them.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah, you it's all how you ask the question.
• 1:05:12
  It's all how you ask the question.
• 1:05:13
  And so they'll tell you the question.
• 1:05:14
  Just don't ask them a Republican or Democrat question because that'll be loaded on that side of the deal.
• 1:05:19
  No, that forget about it.
• 1:05:21
  Forget about it.
• 1:05:22
  No, you so all right.
• 1:05:23
  So, Daniel, uh with all this now.
• 1:05:25
  Um but you so you feel really good right now.
• 1:05:28
  You sound great.
• 1:05:29
  I did something, we did something about it, Malcolm.
• 1:05:32
  Okay, the uh they scratched their heads, so my my oncologist went ahead and found a new drug for me to be on, and now I take well I'm treating now this exacerbation again of the CL.
• 1:05:46
  I just this has just gone out uh it went up to 155,000.
• 1:05:50
  She said, Well, I'm gonna go ahead and start.
• 1:05:52
  So we started on that.
• 1:05:53
  Well, we know we got this uh liver cancer business to deal with at the same time.
• 1:05:59
  So I start this new medication, and it's pretty toxic.
• 1:06:03
  Uh, and then she comes up with one for my breast cancer in my liver, and it's expensive and very toxic.
• 1:06:11
  And the drug companies say god they've been helping out, it's a bit wonderful.
• 1:06:15
  Uh, but uh I'm taking both of these, and they're just knocking my socks off.
• 1:06:20
  I mean, I can't right now, right now.
• 1:06:22
  Well, they were.
• 1:06:23
  No, they were.
• 1:06:24
  I'm fine now.
• 1:06:25
  Are you done with that?
• 1:06:26
  No, I the rest of my life I have to be on both of these.
• 1:06:29
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:06:30
  So, but you said they were knocking your they were they well, they they leveled me.
• 1:06:34
  I mean, I I I couldn't but but they're not doing that now.
• 1:06:36
  You're saying you you can take them now, okay.
• 1:06:38
  All right, well, I've I've learned it apparently about your body eventually, and so we turned around and did more radiation.
• 1:06:44
  Okay, and so 15 sessions of very specialized radiation to target these tumors.
• 1:06:50
  Wow, wow, and it after that, this radiation was much more toxic than the first sort of wow.
• 1:06:59
  See, I'd go back to the breast cancer radiation.
• 1:07:01
  That was that was a walk in the park.
• 1:07:04
  This uh, this stuff really knocked me for a loop.
• 1:07:07
  And there's no, and there was no way to avoid all this radiation.
• 1:07:09
  Uh, you wouldn't have made it through to the no, because you surgically you couldn't you couldn't go into the liver and get this.
• 1:07:15
  So, so much for my attitude that uh I'm anti-radiation and chemo, I guess.
• 1:07:19
  Well, if if I didn't have this, it it it just would have happened.
• 1:07:23
  Uh you know, it eventually just kind of catch up with you and metastasize someplace else.
• 1:07:28
  So what we had to do is isolate it and kill it the best we could.
• 1:07:33
  No, I know.
• 1:07:33
  So the drugs were helping, and the radiation, uh, which was very toxic.
• 1:07:38
  But what about those other people that it that it ends up killing because of the radiation and chemo?
• 1:07:43
  It's so their body just can't sustain it, and it really you said something earlier on that's really important, and the sooner you get a hold of this stuff, the better.
• 1:07:56
  I would not have known I had this liver cancer had I not had leukemia, uh, because my physician would always do this test before we'd start a treatment for leukemia.
• 1:08:08
  So a lot of serendipity bounces along.
• 1:08:11
  Well, your whole life is serendipity.
• 1:08:13
  I mean, your whole darn life is.
• 1:08:14
  I mean, come on, you know, really.
• 1:08:16
  Uh uh, you are definitely uh superhuman or freak of nature, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:08:20
  It could be a little uh freak, I've been but anyway.
• 1:08:23
  Um so that's where I'm at now.
• 1:08:26
  I you know, we've it's shrunk the tumors down, they look like you know, just shriveled up little things because we have all these pictures of uh stuff.
• 1:08:35
  So so right now, uh do they think that I mean, like they don't give you months or years anymore.
• 1:08:40
  You've surpassed all of those things, yeah.
• 1:08:42
  So do you like well?
• 1:08:44
  How do you look at I mean you look at life every day by day, I'm sure, like I do.
• 1:08:48
  We every day is a blessing.
• 1:08:49
  I look at life that way, it is a blessing.
• 1:08:51
  You have to embrace it in ways that you can.
• 1:08:53
  Oh, we always say, Daniel, celebrate the moment, celebrate the moment.
• 1:08:56
  Oh, yeah, and make it special.
• 1:08:58
  And I always say that.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, and I always do that in my life.
• 1:09:01
  And if I'm with certain people, certain things going on, make it the best moment it can be, you know, make that really special because and I've done that in my life in a lot of different ways.
• 1:09:10
  Uh that comes back, uh, very, very helpful to me.
• 1:09:13
  Um, but uh so do they say they don't say anything more with time or anything?
• 1:09:17
  So you feel like you you're just uh I mean you've already defied all the odds.
• 1:09:21
  So I mean, uh basically there are no odds for this.
• 1:09:24
  They even you know, with no matter how you ask chat GPT, that it comes right back and tell me.
• 1:09:29
  Well, yeah, forget the AI, but what about the doctors?
• 1:09:32
  They don't say, My God, with all this competing each other, you'll be lucky if you get another five years from this thing, you'd be enough to get a five months you five days or or or or ten years, you know.
• 1:09:40
  I mean, you don't really know.
• 1:09:42
  There's no roadmap for this.
• 1:09:44
  No, there isn't.
• 1:09:44
  There isn't.
• 1:09:45
  All right, right.
• 1:09:45
  So let's let's step back now together here.
• 1:09:47
  You and I let's uh step back from all of this, leave that word is here.
• 1:09:51
  So let's talk about Daniel this life.
• 1:09:54
  Um, how does one um stay positive come?
• 1:10:00
  Through these sort of uh adversity.
• 1:10:03
  I mean, how does one even keep their brain and the functionality of uh of life?
• 1:10:10
  And um, how do you how do you keep you like moments ago?
• 1:10:14
  We talk about life and you were laughing again, which is what you do all the time when we're on the phone.
• 1:10:18
  You say, Oh Malcolm, I got another cancer, and you're laughing about it.
• 1:10:21
  I say, You are just too much.
• 1:10:23
  You're just but you know, but you tackle it in such a way, and I guess humor is a big part of you.
• 1:10:28
  It's humor is a big always has yeah, it always has been.
• 1:10:31
  Sometimes twisted, but you know, humor.
• 1:10:33
  Well, no, you have this you know, you have a sense of humor that is uh very different, it's very dirt different, and you have to know people which I find very admirable.
• 1:10:41
  People have to know how to take that and stuff, and um and I appreciate you today.
• 1:10:45
  You're using it more sparingly when we were having serious conversation, you know.
• 1:10:48
  Uh was good, was good because sometimes people were looking you say, is this guy for real?
• 1:10:53
  I mean, he's like has this outlook and he's laughing and everything else, and he's got that.
• 1:10:57
  So what do you what do you but bottom line?
• 1:10:59
  What do you attribute this all to?
• 1:11:01
  What what what how do you keep the glue man?
• 1:11:04
  What is the driving force?
• 1:11:06
  Well, I I really do believe I have a purpose, and I've always believed that I've had a purpose.
• 1:11:15
  Trying to figure out what that is has always been a challenge, but but things come up and they present themselves.
• 1:11:22
  And for instance, you know, we ended up meeting each other in a very strange kind of way.
• 1:11:28
  I mean, somebody recommended me to you through X.
• 1:11:32
  We we texted back and forth a couple of times, and before you know it, we were off to the races.
• 1:11:38
  And you you took me under your wing, you mentored me.
• 1:11:41
  I'm trying to figure out you know, this guy is really been a friend, a mentor, and everything else as if we'd known each other for a hundred years, and and and I'm the older guy, you're the younger guy, and you're the big brother in so many ways.
• 1:12:00
  And uh, and I find out that it's not just me, you do this with a lot of people, but I'm happy that I can share that space with so many other people that have benefited from you taking the time to lift the phone up and make a call to say this.
• 1:12:18
  No, you can do this.
• 1:12:19
  Let me show you how to do this, and it and you'd actually go through the steps and everything else, and and you'd get honest feedback.
• 1:12:26
  I mean, feedback sometimes that a lot of other people could it's go, ah, well, heck with this guy.
• 1:12:32
  But it was honest feedback, and you take it in and you try to change these things around the margin and stuff, but it's always an inspiration.
• 1:12:41
  Write, speak, write, speak, tell your stories, see what's on your mind.
• 1:12:45
  And it's why out loud is the perfect place to me.
• 1:12:49
  Yeah, out loud is what it's all about.
• 1:12:52
  Well, out loud is being real, it's being real, you know.
• 1:12:55
  Well, everybody wants to be out loud, but they can't find a place to do it.
• 1:12:59
  No, and and not just everybody.
• 1:13:01
  I mean, it there's a lot of kooks out there, god we know.
• 1:13:04
  But you know, especially in the conservative world, yeah, you know, that come out with with well, Daniel.
• 1:13:10
  I I always called it, I always call it the out loud truth, the out loud truth.
• 1:13:14
  You know that, yeah.
• 1:13:15
  The out loud truth.
• 1:13:16
  And to me, to me, you can still have these conversations.
• 1:13:20
  You can still have dialogue, you can still have people in from different aspects of life and the other side of the political aisle or other things in life, and still be ladies and gentlemen, Daniel.
• 1:13:29
  You're still you don't have to be an ass.
• 1:13:31
  And people today, when you watch, I'll tell you, just in the past uh couple of few weeks.
• 1:13:36
  I've learned learned so much from jumping into the video aspect of things.
• 1:13:39
  And I see so much garbage out there, Daniel.
• 1:13:42
  I'm I mean, it's a record amount of garbage.
• 1:13:44
  And I went through and I listened to a lot of the shows and a lot of the different things, little bits of them, little bits, little bits, little bits of this and that, and none of it impressed me.
• 1:13:52
  It was all garbage, and they all muck it up for the camera.
• 1:13:54
  There's no genuineness there, there's no anything.
• 1:13:57
  There's no plan authenticity, it's just about likes and followers and whatever they're doing, which is the part I don't like.
• 1:14:04
  I don't do the likes and followers are that's uh I just don't get my endorphins from X or Facebook or whatever.
• 1:14:10
  It's not my high of the day at all.
• 1:14:13
  My high of the day is people dealing with people, real people.
• 1:14:16
  One of the blessings of this network for me personally, Daniel, is absolutely the people.
• 1:14:21
  The it's been a blessing of a lifetime working with such incredible people.
• 1:14:25
  I mean, the gift for you and I, the gift in this for me for us was was for me.
• 1:14:31
  Uh to be able to have you part of this mission and this uh America Out Loud experiment, this uh this out loud deal, which we're now gonna be 10 years old in 2026 here.
• 1:14:42
  Yeah, um, you know, has been you know, I feel this like the selfish one.
• 1:14:48
  Uh the the blessings um that uh I get to work with such incredible people.
• 1:14:52
  I mean it's this has been the gift of a lifetime, Daniel, the gift of a lifetime for me.
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, what a group of people, and it gets it is really we've got some really exciting new ones too, is what you're saying.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  The honest salt of the earth people, and they've got important things to say, and and it's it really is family, but it's because our value system is so connected all the way through, and it's deep, and it's from old conjures like myself and the young whoopers.
• 1:15:27
  Well, you know why, Daniel?
• 1:15:28
  You know why, Daniel?
• 1:15:29
  Everything you just said is accurately true, but it's the fight of good and evil.
• 1:15:33
  That's what it is, the fight of good and evil.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, and that's what that's what birthed America Rout loud and this whole thing in Project Out Loud.
• 1:15:39
  It's that fight of good and evil, and we seem to magnify and we resonate with people who fight the good fight, the good fight, you know, positive energy, positive energy, not negative energy, positive energy.
• 1:15:50
  That's where we sit, and that's what we want to build on.
• 1:15:53
  So we don't do you know, F bombs and we don't do the horrible language, and we don't do the uh you know the nasty stuff and the extremist garbage and all of that.
• 1:16:02
  I can't stand that stuff.
• 1:16:03
  It drives me crazy.
• 1:16:04
  Uh, but there's more to life than that kind of stuff.
• 1:16:07
  So all right, so here you are.
• 1:16:08
  You you you've uh you know, you've got this uh incredible energy and incredible aspiration of life, like no other in that I've seen.
• 1:16:18
  Uh you know, to come through the trials and tribulations you've come through with each of these episodes you've been through, and to still be able to laugh at the world, laugh at yourself, laugh at the world, and to be able to let it blow off your shoulder.
• 1:16:32
  That is not an easy thing to do, brother.
• 1:16:35
  And you do it with such dignity and respect, like no other out there.
• 1:16:39
  You really do.
• 1:16:40
  You're just really know how to do it any other way.
• 1:16:43
  Uh well, you don't.
• 1:16:45
  It just it's who I am, and my wife is so important in my life.
• 1:16:50
  Uh for 44 years we've been married, we've knew each other professionally for four years and worked together before we ever got married.
• 1:16:58
  And uh because we met at the John at the John's Hopkins Hospital and uh worked together, and we've been uh she she's she's your best friend, really.
• 1:17:08
  Uh Shelly has been.
• 1:17:10
  Um maybe I'm your second best friend, I don't know, but uh but Shelly has been just remarkable, you know.
• 1:17:16
  She's not even jealous, she knows she knows, you know, that yeah that we're glued together.
• 1:17:22
  We're both Scorpios, we both come from large families, we're both in charge all the time, you know.
• 1:17:28
  It's really not the case.
• 1:17:30
  Well, in life, there's leaders and followers, right?
• 1:17:32
  Leaders and followers.
• 1:17:33
  I've I've never been a follower in my life, Daniel.
• 1:17:36
  From the time I was 10 years old to 14 to 15.
• 1:17:38
  When I was a kid, when I was a kid in the playgrounds, I would uh I would like we play school, I was the teacher.
• 1:17:44
  We'd have multiple classes, I was the principal.
• 1:17:46
  We'd have multiple schools, I'd be the mayor.
• 1:17:48
  There was Mother Lee Joe and I was the governor, we'd have different tents of things in the forest.
• 1:17:55
  Daniel, Daniel.
• 1:17:56
  I used to I used to open up the bulkhead of our of our home as a kid, as a kid now.
• 1:18:01
  Yeah, 10 10 years old, and I would go to the department store.
• 1:18:04
  I still remember it, Atlantic Department store, no longer in business, long gone, but it was the old-fashioned apartment store, and I'd go into Atlantic Department store, and you'd buy the 45 RPMs.
• 1:18:14
  I'd buy them like 10 to a package or things like that.
• 1:18:17
  Then I'd come back and sell them in the bulkheads one at a time to the kids in the neighborhoods and stuff.
• 1:18:23
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:18:23
  And I used to sell things going down the boulevard.
• 1:18:25
  I'd I my grandmother used to make things, and I'd go knocking on doors and sell them down the boulevard.
• 1:18:30
  And so it was all about relationships, you know, it was all about relationships and meeting people and uh, you know, having that thirst for life.
• 1:18:37
  Um, huh?
• 1:18:38
  Sure, you know, right?
• 1:18:39
  Yep.
• 1:18:40
  But when you sold them, no one ever walked away feeling they got took.
• 1:18:43
  No, no, that's no that's no, because I I gave them I gave them conversation.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah, and I know I know the D in your life is so much about who you are.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah, my wife has been uh incredible.
• 1:19:00
  Um, she's been, and we've been together uh about as long as you and Shelly, that many years, believe it or not, and uh we we were shot childhood sweethearts, uh young.
• 1:19:09
  We were very young.
• 1:19:10
  We met in school at uh the 15, 16, 16, so it was something like that.
• 1:19:15
  Um I think I'm an hour and I think I'm uh an hour and a half.
• 1:19:18
  I think I'm a year and a half, an hour and a half.
• 1:19:22
  Uh I think I'll be a year and a half or two years, right in between there, somewhere uh older than she is.
• 1:19:28
  Um so you know, it it uh kind of works out, I guess.
• 1:19:31
  You know, she's she's good, she's good, and you know, she is um she you know, it's weird, Daniel.
• 1:19:39
  If her I just share with you here privately here, it's just you and I.
• 1:19:43
  Uh she she is so funny.
• 1:19:45
  She thinks I walk on water somehow.
• 1:19:47
  She really thinks I can do anything all our lives.
• 1:19:49
  She has thought that she thinks, you know, he can handle he'll I'll get it done.
• 1:19:53
  She has that much confidence in me to know that I will get it done, whatever that is.
• 1:19:59
  I know.
• 1:20:00
  And so sometimes that overloads my uh to do list amongst other things, you know.
• 1:20:05
  But uh she has we've always had that sort of ability to she knows her strengths, I know my strengths, I know my weaknesses, she knows her weaknesses.
• 1:20:14
  You have to sort of counterbalance that, right?
• 1:20:16
  Right.
• 1:20:17
  That's yeah, right what it is.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah, it's a relationship, and you build on that.
• 1:20:20
  She's been remarkable.
• 1:20:22
  Uh it's been a life with her, a journey with her, just incredible.
• 1:20:25
  Um precious, that's so precious that I'm so happy for you.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah, we my my wife and I have one one major area of conflict.
• 1:20:34
  I was raised Catholic, and uh, she was raised Methodist, yeah.
• 1:20:38
  And uh I'm for getting buried, not cremated, and she's for cremating people, not burying it.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah, so I had to put it in my will and everything else.
• 1:20:50
  But you want to be buried, you want to be buried, not of course, like every week I get one of these circulars from you know, Neptune, the people that want to cremate you.
• 1:21:00
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:00
  He's cremate houses all you know for 299 week we can turn you into Ash.
• 1:21:06
  So but that's about the only conflict we have.
• 1:21:08
  So, all right.
• 1:21:09
  So, well, it's funny because uh I grew up in the the the Church of the Nazarene.
• 1:21:15
  I'm a Protestant young man in the Sunday school went through yeah.
• 1:21:18
  Um D is a Catholic, by the way, so we're reverse in that way.
• 1:21:21
  Okay, now uh I not only want to be cremated, I don't want to be any bodies around.
• 1:21:26
  I don't want any any evidence left, Daniel.
• 1:21:28
  No evidence left.
• 1:21:29
  I'm I'm with uh uh I'm I'm with uh you know yeah, I'm not with you on that.
• 1:21:34
  Uh I'm with Shelly.
• 1:21:36
  But you know, and actually better than even cremation is I'd rather just go in some massive explosion so that it's all over and done with right there.
• 1:21:42
  You know what I mean?
• 1:21:43
  Yeah, just done, period.
• 1:21:45
  Nothing, nothing left.
• 1:21:46
  Thank you very much.
• 1:21:46
  Have a good day.
• 1:21:47
  You know what the cartoon, the looney tune.
• 1:21:50
  No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm right.
• 1:21:54
  That'll be that.
• 1:21:55
  That's it.
• 1:21:55
  He's gone 30,000 feet.
• 1:21:57
  There he is.
• 1:21:57
  Hello there, you know.
• 1:21:59
  I don't know.
• 1:21:59
  There's something about that, that just the instant of being just done with it and then moving on to whatever that is.
• 1:22:05
  We have to talk about that next time.
• 1:22:07
  What happens next, what happens next in life, and uh, you know, what's what's there's just a lot to the story.
• 1:22:13
  And and I look at that in life, Daniel, and um, you know, um, this big beautiful life we have, and how do we max it out?
• 1:22:21
  Um, and you're doing that.
• 1:22:23
  My golly, you're doing that, and uh, I hope I'm doing it.
• 1:22:26
  I'm trying.
• 1:22:26
  You are Malcolm, you are.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah, I hope so.
• 1:22:30
  And and let this be a testimonial that you have made such a difference in my life.
• 1:22:36
  That is from damn sure.
• 1:22:37
  You really have, Malcolm.
• 1:22:39
  And uh, and it's not been small because you you got so much on your plate for you to pick up the phone when you can squeeze it, you know, and you never talk for three minutes.
• 1:22:50
  We always have 20 minute conversations, and I I the time just flies like this time, it's just evaporated.
• 1:22:57
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:58
  And uh, and I go, where did this guy get 20 minutes to talk to me?
• 1:23:02
  You know, he's got all this stuff on his plate, and this organization is growing.
• 1:23:06
  And and I just thank my lucky stars, you know.
• 1:23:09
  I just this is a blessing, and I and I need it.
• 1:23:13
  I need I need your medicine, Malcolm.
• 1:23:15
  Well, I'll tell you what, and I'm medicine I've taken.
• 1:23:18
  And this new project here, I need your help to uh this is all new.
• 1:23:22
  This project out loud.
• 1:23:23
  This was a experiment of a lifetime, really, to get back to the camera and bring this forward a little bit to make it more personal, interactive with people, a little different, I hope, than anything else out there.
• 1:23:34
  I pray.
• 1:23:34
  That's my goal, Daniel, is to make this totally different.
• 1:23:37
  So good on camera.
• 1:23:38
  You first off, you got the the golden vocal cords that everybody wish they had.
• 1:23:42
  Okay, and we've heard those for years.
• 1:23:44
  But you know, you look marvelous.
• 1:23:45
  Thanks.
• 1:23:46
  So I'm really glad you're doing video.
• 1:23:48
  Well, I hope so.
• 1:23:48
  The video podcast is a thing we've been talking about, and I've just gotten back to it now.
• 1:23:54
  I think if we can do something marvelous with it and impact people's lives.
• 1:23:57
  I think at the end of the day, if we can just help some people out, impact their lives, Daniel.
• 1:24:01
  That would be the ultimate goal of this program, Project Out Loud, you know, make a difference out there.
• 1:24:05
  Oh the more the better, honest to gosh.
• 1:24:08
  I mean, I'm first off, I'm very thankful for this time today.
• 1:24:12
  I am privileged and I have and I know what a gift this is, and and I am so thankful that you've taken the time that you've wanted to tell this story, yeah.
• 1:24:24
  And and I encourage everybody, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:27
  And I talk to people all the time about how to handle what they're dealing with.
• 1:24:32
  I mean, I I don't like my identity being all about cancer, but it is exactly exactly my life, and so you know well, no, but you can you can take that and use it as a tool now.
• 1:24:43
  And the next time the next time we meet on here, I want to talk about that inspiration more and maximizing that uh to the fullest to benefit people when you talk about that inspiration and where we go with it and 30,000 feet, and also our country where we're at.
• 1:24:57
  We you and I have a lot to talk about in politics world.
• 1:24:59
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:00
  So we have so much to talk about.
• 1:25:02
  We'll do that another time as well.
• 1:25:04
  I seen your footnotes on this.
• 1:25:05
  I said, Oh my golly, you had some interesting footnotes for this.
• 1:25:09
  You gave to Joe, and I thought, well, but I really want to make this about Daniel today, not about uh Washington, DC.
• 1:25:15
  Or what they're doing, yeah.
• 1:25:16
  That was my goal, actually, is to keep it real, keep it about us.
• 1:25:19
  So uh Daniel Baronowski, thank you for uh being here, Project Out Loud.
• 1:25:24
  And you know, I'll tell you what, brother.
• 1:25:25
  I uh absolutely I absolutely love you, brother.
• 1:25:28
  Absolutely love you.
• 1:25:29
  You're an inspiration, you're marvelous.
• 1:25:32
  Uh you give so much to life and so much to people, and uh appreciate everything you bring.
• 1:25:37
  You've been a blessing to my life all the way through.
• 1:25:39
  Well, let's keep it going.
• 1:25:40
  Let's keep it going.
• 1:25:41
  Promise.
• 1:25:42
  Promise.
• 1:25:43
  You know that that purpose that I'm still alive for, I think has a lot to do with meeting you.
• 1:25:50
  Yeah, amen.
• 1:25:51
  And uh and I I know that.
• 1:25:54
  And by the way, if I if I get there before you do, I will be at the gates to welcome you.
• 1:26:00
  Oh, no, that's already talked.
• 1:26:02
  I've already talked to Peter, and it'll all get smoothed out.
• 1:26:05
  All right, now that's good.
• 1:26:06
  That I need to know that.
• 1:26:07
  Thank you for saying that.
• 1:26:08
  That I needed to know that.
• 1:26:10
  And I hope right near you would be Dr.
• 1:26:12
  J.
• 1:26:13
  Lear, by the way.
• 1:26:14
  That would be like he would he will do that for me.
• 1:26:16
  I know he would, just like you.
• 1:26:17
  I know he would.
• 1:26:19
  So if I had Dr.
• 1:26:20
  Jay Lear there and Dr.
• 1:26:21
  Daniel Baronowski, I'm my friend, I would be very happy to go out into the sunset with that.
• 1:26:26
  Let me tell you, right?
• 1:26:26
  It's gonna be a crowd.
• 1:26:27
  There'll be a crowd there, Malcolm.
• 1:26:29
  There'll be a crowd there, Daniel Baranowski.
• 1:26:31
  Uh, you gotta love him, uh, friends.
• 1:26:33
  Uh what a what a program.
• 1:26:35
  Uh, and so inspirational and emotional here.
• 1:26:37
  It's as always, friends.
• 1:26:39
  It's time to get involved and get loud.
• 1:26:42
  Um, thank you, Malcolm.