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Collapse Aware Not Black Pilled Christian from Unshadowed-IAF on Food Water and Control · SpaceTomatoes

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  We see it now and we can accept that this is part of all of us actually at the end of the day
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  and we just need to own our own stuff and then make sure that we're on a daily basis
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  authoring the tomorrow that we want to experience and that we want our children to experience
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  rather than reacting out of fear or just building the prison because they're paying us
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  and we've got to get by so I'm just going to go try and ignore this.
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  that's the like what is it the Howard Beale like stay in your rooms and your rooms get smaller and
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  smaller until I'm not going to take it anymore that really doesn't um that's all in the world
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  that they control whereas if we if we say okay let's rise to the challenge and I think the more
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  and I see more and more people operating from that radical acceptance space where they say yeah
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  it's collapse awareness but not black pill
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  all right everybody welcome back to another episode of the space tomatoes podcast i'm one
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  your host havoc i'm the other guy lx hello welcome back all that stuff that other guy
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  today we're best we are joined by a very special guest christian from unshadowed.org
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  formerly the ice age farmer thank you very much for giving some giving some giving some of your
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  time to us christian i appreciate it it's a pleasure and honor to be here thanks for the invite
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  Awesome. Awesome. So, um, I guess first things first, right? So you, you took a little hiatus
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  there and, uh, you know, there were some, some definite reasons for that hiatus, uh, from Ice
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  Age Farmer. You were extremely active and, you know, kind of shocked quite a lot of people. And,
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  and, and I think there was some really, you know, understandable and really solid reasons for that.
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  And then you came back and rebranded yourself as Unshadowed.
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  Can you maybe tell us a little bit about what happened and why the rebrand and, you know, how that's going?
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  Sure. So there were a series of things that all sort of conspired to make me take a step back for a bit there.
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  There was some, you know, the superficial stories that there was, I think I had mentioned this in the broadcast back then.
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  And there was some friction with the broadcast in terms of attracting unwanted attention or attention from the wrong parties.
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  And it manifested as getting locked out of financial accounts and being called a security risk in other areas of life and stuff that flowed, you know, not from just to me, but to my family.
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  And so that's sort of a different like, like, I'm willing to go to bat, let's save humanity.
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  And then like when it starts affecting, you know, your children, you're like, wait a minute, this is like I'm fighting for them.
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  But if they're getting immediately hurt by this, then maybe I've missed the boat somehow here.
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  And so that friction was a problem.
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  And then the deeper reason, and I've since come out and spoken more about this, was that I had an interaction with an antibiotic.
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  It turns out to be, so it's an antibiotic called levofloxacin, which is in the family of fluoroquinolones.
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  And it turns out there's a lot of people that react quite poorly to these.
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  And I'm among those people. And so that has had, that took me a year to figure out really what
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  the heck had happened. And then a year of trying to overcome it really like, okay, if I can just
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  find the right doctor, if I can take the right supplement, or if I can do the right, what it's
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  just a little bit more something, then surely I'll be able to somehow get over this and put this
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  behind me. And that turns out not to have been the case. But, and part of the reason I'm public
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  about this whole, you know, medical issues, usually people just, it's better not to talk
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  about these things. But A, I want people to know that this is possible. And so if anybody out there
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  is on their way to taking a fluoroquinolone and then thinks about this conversation,
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  any of the thousands of other stories that are out there, then, you know, that's a great thing
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  to save them that experience. But also because that experience kind of mirrored what happened
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  with Ice Age Farmer, where I, you know, perceived that there were things in the world that weren't
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  quite to my liking. And I said, well, I need to start a garden and start prepping. And I got to
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  get the word out about this. Everyone's trying to get the word and wake up humanity. And if I can
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  just prep harder, and if I can just broadcast louder, and if I can just reach that many more
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  people, right, there was always this, this reaching for something more that in the end turns out not
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  to be attainable. The bigger your broadcast, it's just, it didn't, there's never a moment where you
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  can save the world, no matter how big that YouTube channel gets, right? And so one of the things that
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  I've learned, I've already gotten sort of too long in this initial question, but like, was that this
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  was the same experience and that I needed to figure out how to really accept things instead of trying
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  to react to them and break them and enforce reality to conform to the way I thought it should
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  be. I was mad at God for a while there, and that's just not, you know, if you've spent any time there,
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  that doesn't work very well. And so, it really became sort of a spiritual process in trying to
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  figure out how to work in a way that didn't fight the reality, that didn't fight the system,
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  that didn't fight the condition, but says, okay, so here's how things are. What can we still do
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  within this, right? How can I still be the person that I want to be, or the father that I want to be,
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  or have the garden that I want to have, even as everything is collapsing, right?
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  Let's, let's, let's, these two things can be true at the same time.
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  And so in, in trying to find the silver lining of the cloud that hit with all those things,
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  it really was that I think I look at everything with a bit of a different aperture now.
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  Yeah.
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  Very interesting.
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  Yeah, it's amazing how often people autopilot on medicines, right?
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  The doctor said so, so must be fine.
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  And it's one of the things we've talked about many, many times.
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  It's like you need to really understand what that medicine is, what it's doing, and what the potential for side effects are, right?
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  because they're usually, they usually carry some pretty severe side effects there.
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  And some of them can be lifelong and lasting, right?
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  They just never go away.
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  And that's, you know, it's an unfortunate thing.
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  I don't know how people take any medications.
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  I mean, you see these advertisements for them and the side effects they rattle off at the end can be like frightening.
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  It's crazy.
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  than the ones they don't even tell you about.
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  Just the normal, everyday medications.
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  I mean, even, you know, ibuprofen and Tylenol have side effects.
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  And, you know, people don't really talk about that.
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  Yeah, and I was, you know, even back then,
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  I was able to rattle off all the risks
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  and different problems associated with Gardasil
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  or, of course, the COVID vaccines or even cancer treatments.
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  But then just it seemed like this was a tiny infection
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  and it needed a tiny antibiotic.
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  and it was not the right one that he reached for.
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  So you're absolutely right.
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  People should be very aware of what they put in their body.
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  If you don't mind me asking,
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  what kind of side effects did you personally experience from this?
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  So it causes a mitochondrial injury,
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  and that means that basically every cell other than red blood cells has mitochondria,
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  and that means it's really hard to pinpoint.
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  I think that's part of the reason why this is so poorly understood is there's a number of people
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  out there who think that who will take these antibiotics and they don't have an initial
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  reaction to it so they can go six or eight weeks and then they'll tear their ACL or something.
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  There's a lot of tendon issues associated with this because it causes issues with soft tissues
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  and that was the first black box warning that this drug earned, this family of antibiotics earned.
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  but then the mitochondria means yeah that we can be talking about the the neurons that sort of like
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  run out of juice and you just start having brain fog or any muscle weakness anywhere standing just
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  standing somewhere or driving a long distance and using your foot on the pedal can cause problems
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  the list is a long one i did write a piece at unshadowed.org that's called prescribed poisons
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  and it's a two-parter. The first part is sort of the history of the drug and this,
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  the explanation of its mechanism and why it's so damaging and affects so many systems.
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  And then I did a second part a good while later, once I sort of had written it all down of,
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  again, there's no cure to it, but sort of managing it, how to manage the symptoms and sort of
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  the mindset to take about how to live with this now.
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  So, once that damage is done, is that pretty much it or is there a recovery? It's just long.
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  There's different thoughts on this. The bottom line from what I've read, it seems to be that
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  because the drug damages your MTDNA, your mitochondrial DNA, that you can cause all the
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  mitophagy and mitoregenesis that you want. They're just going to regenerate equally damaged.
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  and so that's not a terribly biologically yeah it doesn't it doesn't seem like there's actually a
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  full recovery possible but but again with with some supplementation that that is a constant
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  trying to scrub out all reactive oxygen species all the oxidative damage before it happens if you
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  can sort of constantly flush it there's different people different different things work for different
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  people. So if it's CBD, or just any other like vitamin C, NAC, there's a long list of antioxidants,
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  and I've probably tried them, most of them by now. But yeah, if you find yourself in this position,
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  then you're going to have to sort of step through some of those things. Of course, work with your
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  doctor to figure out if you can take, we were just saying, make sure you know everything you
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  put in your body. But the process may be like, just take this for a bit and see how it plays out,
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  How does it help? And then keep looking.
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  I'm by far not an expert, but I know that much about red light therapy.
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  I know that affects your mitochondria, and I use a small light myself,
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  and it seems to be effective for things.
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  I don't know if you've looked into that at all.
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  It is. Yeah, it's definitely good.
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  And even just sunlight, like making sure you get some healthy sun
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  can sort of prompt your mitochondrial to get back in gear.
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  a lot of people try methylene blue because that is a like a mitochondrial short circuit thing
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  i'm a little skeptical of i can't really put my finger on why i can't explain why but it's
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  just something about like the fact that it was a synthetic dye i don't know i really like to find
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  the natural solutions and so if i could if i could find those before we go taking really blue
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  synthetic dyes that are heavily pushed by alt media lately, then that's sort of my preference.
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  Yeah. Have you looked into DMSO at all? I did. That stuff is super slimy. I didn't
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  experience much benefit from it for this set of circumstances, but I definitely know plenty of
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  folks who swear by it. Yeah. What does that have? I'm not familiar with that.
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  Uh, what is it? Dimethyl sulfoxide or something like that. It's, it's a, it's an interesting
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  thing that, that you would think, yeah, don't ever ingest that. But, uh, apparently it,
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  it has some amazing benefits and, and has been known to really, uh, assist with, uh,
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  you know, even some very life-threatening type of illnesses or, you know, problems.
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  I'm not an expert in it, but I've done some minor studying on it, and I've known some people that
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  have taken it and have had pretty amazing recoveries from things that, you know, were terminal,
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  honestly So you know again shying away from any kind of advice for anyone but you know the advice would be go look into these things go look into things and do research and make sure you get as much knowledge from as many places as you can
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  And when you see inconsistencies in that, make sure you look into those, right?
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  Why are there inconsistencies?
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  Who's saying there's inconsistencies?
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  And look for practical guidance, right?
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  and we can't just ask chat gpt no please please don't do that please the all-knowing oracle that
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  doesn't work likely to get a narrative laced response than anything else number one and number
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  two yeah it's just you know it's wrong enough of the time to be problematic and potentially dangerous
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  So fair enough.
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  So on unshadowed, you know, you've kind of been going through a whole series on, you know, the food security stuff and, you know, not just, you know, plants spontaneously erupting in flames or exploding food plants, mind you, but also, you know, the fuel crisis.
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  Right. And a lot of people don't understand this, but fertilizers, a lot of them are byproducts of the create the refining process for fuels.
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  Right. Or the extraction process for fuels. But primarily, I think it's refining.
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  And so, you know, a lot of people are worried about transportation. Can I get here? My goods are going to cost more.
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  But I think one of the canaries in the coal mine that's that's a lot more problematic is, you know, the fertilizers. Right.
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  And, you know, myself, I don't really use any, but, you know, I use compost for my livestock and, you know, leaves from the wooded areas and grass clippings and chicken poop and bedding and all that good stuff.
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  But the majority of the world is fed on fertilized crops.
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  What do you, I mean, are you seeing a solid pattern from this or do you think that there's just kind of a lot of isolated events that are occurring?
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  They're, you know, kind of, for some reason, driving down the same road.
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  I'm seeing more than a pattern.
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  I would say there's a stated agenda for many decades now to take over food, water and energy and that has really gone into hyperdrive this year.
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  And right exactly like you said, right in March when they closed the strait, the IEA was already out there with a bunch of talking points and policy recommendations about this energy crisis.
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  We've been warning and here it finally is.
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  And that's why we now need to take these emergency powers.
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  And it was only three or four weeks later that the FAO came out and said, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN said, oh, there's going to be a food crisis now because we can't get fertilizer and all of these things.
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  And here's our again, here's our policy recommendations.
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  which align completely with the stated agenda that we've been talking about for decades.
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  But now that we have a crisis here, we're going to take the opportunity to roll it out.
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  They'll often even say this is an opportunity.
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  And then the third one, which was a little more stunning, actually, was that the UN's water bankruptcy that they declared this year,
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  where they just said, we're now past the point of a water crisis.
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  It's a full-fledged water bankruptcy.
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  and that means we just need to cancel all water rights,
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  whatever you thought you owned when you bought your farm
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  or whatever was historically there, the creek,
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  that's all gone now because it's unsustainable.
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  We just can't afford to do that anymore, right?
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  So we're going to restructure everything
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  and make sure that based on equity,
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  we have equitable access to water resources
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  and these sorts of redistributing the wealth kinds of phrases.
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  And really, we need to track and trace
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  and put enforceable limits on water was the bottom line recommendation.
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  And so these three things that have really been formally announced this year
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  have sort of been percolating there in the background.
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  And you saw some of the governments start to sort of test the waters.
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  A couple of European governments put in rationing of fuel.
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  And they tried to, in Sri Lanka, they had QR codes that you needed to scan to get your fuel ration.
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  But it was really like testing the waters.
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  And what I've been saying the whole summer is that because they didn't actually, because they kept, you know, Trump kept saying the straits over now and the war is over.
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  And so there was no, the price of oil kept getting hammering, hammered down.
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  And that meant that there was no opportunity for the real price discovery to happen in the market, which means there was no demand destruction.
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  So people just kept burning through supplies as if everything was fine.
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  But of course, it hasn't been.
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  And so now we're at the point where the IEA prescribed record releases of all of these reserves have tidied us over through a weird sort of in-between liminal space during this summer and fall.
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  And now we're hitting, you know, tank bottoms, as they say, operational limits of many countries and many facilities.
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  And it's going to be, I think, a harder landing than it had to be because of this.
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  and what's you know well i don't know how fast you guys publish but we'll date stamp this is the day
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  before halloween and it's definitely feeling spooky to me right now because in the last week
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  the number of governments across the world that have been warning their citizens to stockpile and
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  get ready for for something has just been like it's been two two or three a day for the last week
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  and you know you could just say that's a fear campaign they're trying to get people off balance
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  and keep them in their reactive mode and not making long-term plans.
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  And there may be some truth to that.
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  It also feels, frankly, like something is about to happen.
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  And this is sort of a CYA, like a cover your ass for the future.
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  So if anything, you know, people say, well, you didn't warn us.
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  They can say, actually, we did.
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  We gave you the 72-hour warning.
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  Have your kit together.
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  and um so it's yeah lots of people are sort of like waiting for the the next shoe to drop right
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  now and i don't know that it will or when it will but the the timing right now certainly feels weird
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  that's why i thought this was actually a great time for such as you described it a let's gather
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  around the campfire and just sort of like talk about what's going on because this is to me this
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  isn't a moment where we say it's time to report on this one thing that we can study it we can
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  spread the knowledge. It's like, whoa, it's getting a little out of control, right? This is
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  everything we've been talking about has really gone into hyperdrive. They're telling us the
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  situation with security. I wanted to actually get y'all's thoughts on this, but I've instead
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  spilling over into this other thing, which has been on my mind. And that's the ridiculous number
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  of vulnerabilities. In my long past, I have a history with software and IT. And so it caught
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  my eye that there were literally a historical level of vulnerabilities in the space of the last
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  two weeks released. And it's not in itself unprecedented that such a critical vulnerability
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  as this one in PHP that has such a wide attack possibility vector. There was the log watch one,
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  but this is the first time where so much of the internet has at the same time been
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  instantly dubbed insecure at the end at the same time we're we're learning about we've been learning
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  for months now it's been clearly a talking point in the mainstream media that oh there's ai bots
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  and ai assisted hackers like this and they can scan through hosts like this and so the combination
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  of this massive attack surface and by some estimates it's like 40 to 70 percent of the
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  internet that have that at least have php on their servers or wordpress or jumas or you know all the
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  whole everything that's downstream of php um at the same time there's these automated swarms of
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  bots just going and trying to hit everything so it is conceivable that the internet's been made
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  a very different place just in the space of the last two weeks and of course that brings to mind
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  the the cyber pandemic that klaus schwab referenced years ago at this point but um
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  and then that happening at the same time as these freezers being hacked in europe and then the
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  And the military, I think just yesterday or the day before, was confirming the Pentagon was like, yeah, some of our freezers have been overheating too.
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  So it's kind of like the rumblings of everything are taking off right now.
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  And that's why I feel like this is a perfect Halloween show right now.
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  It's kind of interesting, you know, and I put on my little tinfoil hat for a little bit.
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  And you start looking at, okay, so we're going through the Ukraine thing, right?
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  And Ukraine is, you know, Ukraine and Russia are both major agricultural producers and, you know, fertilizer production from Russia, etc.
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  Right. So you've got kind of a breadbasket area right there.
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  Iran being another. And then you see that, you know, they tried and I don't remember what the first one was, but, you know, oh, no, new pandemic.
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  It's coming, you know, and everyone went, oh, yeah, right. And it just kind of fizzled. Right.
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  And then the pneumonia one recently that apparently was gripping Russia and people were dying in the streets and, you know, and everyone again went, uh-huh, yeah, whatever.
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  And, you know, apparently, you know, my brain goes, okay, well, they're trying to get back to, let's get this control, let's lock people down, let's restrict movement, let's restrict purchasing,
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  Let's kind of start to really control things in my head.
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  And then you start to see some of the escalation with these other things, right?
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  And then the continuation of the Iran war and then the escalation from Yemen and Saudi Arabia, shutting off the, you know, Bab al-Dum.
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  Is that right?
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  Al-Dum.
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  Yeah.
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  That strayed as well and further choking out fertilizer, right?
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  I mean, yeah, fuel's necessary.
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  OK, again, but you can you can take fertilizer on, you know, horse, the horse driven cart.
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  Right. The Amish do it. But you cannot take fertilizer if there is none.
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  And the vast majority of the world is fed off of heavily fertilized, you know, crops.
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  And and I start looking at this and I'm wondering if, you know, yes, you know, the whole, you know, global initiatives, agenda 2030 and all that.
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  playing out, but they've got to have a way to control as opposed to incite the population.
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  And I'm wondering if it's like, well, the virus things, you know, pandemic's not going to work
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  again, guys. We're busted. We're not going to get that through. But food scarcity, maybe.
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  Yeah, it's perfect. It's exactly what Kissinger told us. If you control food,
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  you control people and yeah i mean the the digital passports for the vaccine passports just didn't
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  didn't quite get there they were open about that being a test run right so they they have something
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  that's even even a bigger lever and i think it's exactly what you're suggesting yeah
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  i have seen some of those stories on youtube the uh the they're suggesting people stockpile what
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  three days of food now but but there's no reason to panic and there's no reason that anything's
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  going to happen they say you know just just in case i guess i don't know i mean governments
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  usually tell you that everything's fine nothing to worry about we're from the government we're
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  here to help right they want they want you to to need them so they usually tell you that we've got
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  everything under control uh so this is definitely a um a change in their script and that's why i
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  think it looks more like a well we need to do something so that it looks so we can say we did
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  something once whatever rolls forward is rolling forward. Yeah. And with the government, our
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  government, at least the United States, uh, putting in a mandate for 90 days of self-sufficient
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  power, water, food, you know, et cetera. Uh, you know, no more civilian infrastructure,
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  you know, reliance, things of that nature, as well as the messaging come across, coming across
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  to the public, you know, stockpile food, you know, water, you know, medical supplies,
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  whatever you need, because we may not be able to get to you and help, right?
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  It's an interesting thing where it's no longer we're from the government.
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  We're here to help.
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  We from the government and we fine over here but you need to figure it out on your own Yeah Now that we got our bunkers done Did they actually say what they expect to happen or are they just kind of leaving it vague for people to make up their own kind of
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  imaginations of what's going to happen every country sort of has their own tongue-in-cheek
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  way of saying you know this is for supply chain i mean the as having just said that the u.s didn't
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  i don't think really well there is a standing like sort of generic fema recommendation but the
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  The latest thing that happened in the US was the orders to, and it was within the continental
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  United States that they told bases to be ready to operate without supply chains and grid power.
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  So it wasn't like, you know, you can imagine if it was mid-east bases, it's like, okay,
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  well, they've probably evacuated most of those or they've been destroyed or whatever by now anyway.
• 26:44
  But no, it's actually in the US, they're saying, you guys need to be prepared to operate for three
• 26:49
  months. And they were talking about portable nuclear power and other ways to just be independent
• 26:55
  of grid power and of the civilian supply chain. And that, because that was an advice to, or an
• 27:02
  order to the military, didn't come with a public explanation on it. But in the UK and other places,
• 27:09
  it's just sort of, you know, Putin is a scary guy and you never know. And so make sure you've got
• 27:15
  some tins in your wardrobe or whatever. It's phrased a little bit differently. Japan has
• 27:22
  an even more sort of subtle way of saying it. But, yeah. But no, no one actually said,
• 27:30
  you know, war's coming. There was no, there was no, no one dropped the big reveal.
• 27:35
  And it may not be necessarily war that they're concerned about, right? If you look, what was it
• 27:41
  about a month ago, they put out an order and, you know, a national defense order for the power grid
• 27:47
  and, you know, water plants and, you know, natural gas, etc., right?
• 27:53
  Because, I mean, let's face it, they're running like 1980s technology.
• 27:58
  You could probably hack them with a, you know, Pringles can and a Wi-Fi antenna set up
• 28:03
  and a really cruddy laptop with Linux on it.
• 28:07
  And so, you know, there's a lot of technical debt in our infrastructure.
• 28:13
  So it could be a cyber attack.
• 28:15
  But then you start looking at, you know, the ramp up from Europe and the, you know, the narrative they're spouting and Russia's kind of bristling like a porcupine going, look, we don't want war.
• 28:27
  We're not looking for war with you guys.
• 28:28
  But, you know, if you do this, it's going to be really bad.
• 28:32
  And, you know, we start hearing rumblings of potential tactical nuclear, you know, use in Iran.
• 28:39
  and, you know, all of this, you know, the problem with nukes nowadays is there's enough people,
• 28:46
  enough regional powers with nukes that even a tactical nuke has an extremely high risk of bleeding over
• 28:54
  and causing something really bad to happen, right?
• 29:01
  You mean just in terms of escalation?
• 29:03
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:04
  We nuke Iran and next thing you know, Pakistan goes, you know what?
• 29:09
  we're not doing this. And, you know, they light one off and, you know, uh, you know, then, you know,
• 29:17
  ally number, you know, three comes up and goes, well, we're going to, and then, you know what I
• 29:21
  mean? This cascade effect, which is one of the, the big driving, you know, factors around mutually
• 29:27
  assured destruction. It's not necessarily, Oh, Russia could attack us and we'll attack them.
• 29:32
  We'll both be destroyed. It's no, you start to get into that exchange. And next thing you know,
• 29:37
  all the allies and other countries and allies of the, you know, enemies or whatever you want to call them, you know, everyone starts firing these things off, you know, and I'm not in Australia.
• 29:48
  So, you know, or New Zealand, which are supposedly two places you might be OK, although I don't know that that's correct at all either.
• 29:58
  So there's quite a lot of things coming through, but if you look at it, at least with enough of a critical eye, it makes no sense to control a population that is going to disappear.
• 30:13
  No sense. It just doesn't matter.
• 30:16
  So, you know, I think, at least in my eyes, it makes more sense that they're trying to enforce a stricter, tighter control grid, you know, more hands-on into, you know, the daily goings-on or minutely goings-on of the human beings on the planet.
• 30:38
  I don't know. What do you think?
• 30:40
  so by saying it doesn't make sense to control people if you're going to kill them anyway is
• 30:47
  that sort of what you're putting down yeah yeah but you also might need to break a few eggs to
• 30:53
  make the omelet so uh i mean we did see you know the georgia guide stones were pretty explicit about
• 30:57
  let's keep let's keep the population down there in a nice maintainable uh 500 million so uh
• 31:04
  we can only really speculate and even then i kind of wonder like if even they know what they're doing
• 31:09
  or if it just ends up being whatever their Ouija board
• 31:12
  or now their AI tells them at the end of the day,
• 31:15
  the Illuminati AI that probably hallucinates too.
• 31:19
  So I think they're very much just slaves to their own process,
• 31:24
  their own masters.
• 31:25
  And I don't know how much even they...
• 31:30
  This is also the way to get out of they
• 31:32
  is just to say this is an archetypal evil.
• 31:34
  It is not one mastermind at the top.
• 31:36
  with this you know there are many such masterminds but all of them are really just slaves to this
• 31:41
  this energy that is that is if we want to get into this that is the result of a failed worldview a
• 31:48
  failed ontology that sees reality as something that is solid and material and that we're stuck
• 31:55
  in these you know meat suits we're just a by consciousness being a byproduct of the electrons
• 31:59
  or whatever that's going on the neuron there's there's no me other than just this meat suit and
• 32:04
  some electricity up here and that I think is is we just know like intuitively to be wrong uh most
• 32:10
  of us and um throughout most of human history that was not the ideas that that that people
• 32:15
  had there was more understanding that this was a um something special right that we were a part of
• 32:21
  uh this that we had a relationship to it we could interact with animals in ways that the textbooks
• 32:26
  say and plants for that matter this is why gardening is so much fun is you really I do
• 32:32
  feel like you get to have a relationship with plants and like get to understand them and sort
• 32:36
  of you know when I see when I see a now I'm going off but when I see like a little plant coming up
• 32:42
  out from between two slabs of concrete I'm just like that's it right there like you get it like
• 32:48
  you're gonna grow it doesn't matter how bad it is you're just here I am well you gotta bloom where
• 32:52
  you're the Texas expression you gotta bloom where you're planted and here I am and I'm just gonna do
• 32:56
  exactly what I can and that's that comes back to that whole thing about acceptance but um
• 33:02
  But yeah, if you view reality as something solid and material, then necessarily you're going to want to try and control it all.
• 33:10
  And because you're scared, right? You want to eliminate pain and control everything.
• 33:15
  And then once I own everything and control everyone and kill off the rest or whatever the plan is, then the goal is achieved.
• 33:24
  Matthias Desmet, the author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism, put it very well.
• 33:30
  And he just said, this is, you know, technocratic totalitarianism is the only, it is the necessary
• 33:37
  endpoint of this worldview that has been adopted, this scientism, this materialism.
• 33:45
  And yeah, I think that's part of, you know, like if we talk about solutions, I still love
• 33:51
  more than anything talking about compost and like getting our hands dirty and this kind
• 33:54
  of very practical, like ways to build a better world and make tomorrow better and raise your
• 33:59
  kids and have their hands in the dirt too but then i think there is actually a need to have this
• 34:03
  ontological discussion and say hey if you're still like stuck in a meat suit and trying to control
• 34:09
  i mean this was the problem when i was trying to broadcast harder prep harder grow my garden a
• 34:14
  little bit bigger i was still trying to control reality instead of saying here i like the blade
• 34:20
  of grass here i am let's do what i can today and and that's really where that's all i can do right
• 34:26
  Just trust God with the rest.
• 34:30
  You said something, Christian, that I haven't thought about in a while,
• 34:32
  is that you brought up the Georgia Guidestones.
• 34:34
  They kind of blew up.
• 34:36
  They scooped them up, cleaned them up, and you never really heard anything about them again.
• 34:40
  I haven't looked up about them, but I thought that was pretty interesting.
• 34:44
  You would think they would have found somebody being on video surveillance like that,
• 34:48
  and they can find people a day or so, but you never heard anything about those.
• 34:55
  it's there with the Pentagon 9-11 footage
• 34:57
  and the Zapruder film somewhere yeah
• 34:59
  I don't know
• 35:00
  you've got to consider the fact that the people that would be
• 35:03
  looking at the footage are beholden to the
• 35:05
  people that are beholden to the people that are
• 35:07
  beholden to the people etc
• 35:09
  is your tinfoil hat too tight
• 35:11
  mine?
• 35:13
  no it's just fine
• 35:14
  but I mean
• 35:17
  I hadn't thought about those in a long time
• 35:19
  yeah I mean it's a reality
• 35:21
  right you can look at this stuff
• 35:23
  You know, ostensibly, the United States is not beholden ostensibly to any other outside entity. But you can see those forces coming into play with policies and things that are coming about that make no sense from, you know, our founding ideals. Right. But they're being shoved down our throats and it's, you know, full steam ahead.
• 35:46
  So, you know, it doesn't take much critical thinking to go. There are external forces at play that we don't fully understand or know who they are. Now, we can point to certain families, you know, oddly enough, both start with an R that most people are familiar with. Right. The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds.
• 36:05
  But I don't even think that's the, you know, crux of it, the top of that pyramid, or as Derek Rose would say, the pyramid of power, right? There's something up there that is, it stays in the shadows. It stays outside of the view. It's not monitored. It's not watched. It's not, you know, and by it, I mean this entity of people.
• 36:32
  It would imagine is people, but, you know, we'll stick with people.
• 36:36
  Powers and principalities.
• 36:37
  Exactly.
• 36:39
  Exactly.
• 36:40
  Right.
• 36:40
  And so, you know, we know that that's there.
• 36:42
  Those forces are there and they are applying force across the board.
• 36:46
  And you can see countries fall in line.
• 36:48
  You can see sometimes, you know, you'll see Australia used as testing ground and they'll
• 36:53
  test an idea.
• 36:55
  And the next thing you know, it's bleeding over to, you know, Eurasia or something.
• 36:59
  And then it gets stopped.
• 37:00
  Right.
• 37:01
  It gets to like a more very westernized country and the people go, yeah, no, we're not. No, nope. And then it gets stopped and you'll see another one come out and a little testing ground and the ones that make it a little bit further, you know, maybe, oh, let's tweak that, etc.
• 37:15
  But, you know, it's one of those things. There is, you know, at least in my mind, without question, there is a group, an entity, a cabal, whatever you want to call it, that sits way over and above and dictates what happens, you know?
• 37:36
  for sure and i think i mean we've still seen some of that from you know the uh the folks at the un
• 37:44
  dedicating their to the lucius trust right the lucifer it was the lucifer trust before it was
• 37:48
  the lucius trust there was open work with the real society and some of the theosophists and
• 37:54
  you can go pretty deep into all that stuff but the bottom line is they absolutely believe in and
• 38:00
  interact with otherworldly entities that seem to be of a darker orientation and um
• 38:06
  I think that's why I sort of just stop at archetypal evil.
• 38:10
  Like it's more than, and it's more important than any one person or group or ethnicity or anything you could tell me I'm paid by because I'm not blaming them in this conversation.
• 38:23
  Like I'm sure they're responsible for a lot of bad stuff.
• 38:25
  But at the end of the day, it is something that is, I think, you know, you actually said Havoc, the shadow, that they live in the shadow.
• 38:32
  I think in Jungian terms, it is the shadow.
• 38:35
  It is the shadow.
• 38:36
  in the collective consciousness of humanity that we have for too long just sort of like repressed
• 38:41
  and i don't really want to that's nasty i don't want to think about that oh i don't want to talk
• 38:45
  about imposing scarcity to achieve an agenda that's mean and i would never do that put that
• 38:50
  over there oh child trafficking no i don't even want to hear about that that's totally and now
• 38:54
  it like sorry guys you gonna have to pop this it right you gonna have to spiritually pop this it and like look at the shadow and deal with this here the epstein here this it all in your face they taking control of the food water and energy all at the same time and uh the the reset of the currency and you either like i said it a really special
• 39:14
  time for humanity to put it uh sort of euphemistically and um a make or break moment
• 39:21
  i would say in terms of do we have what it takes as a species to do that work collectively and uh
• 39:27
  try and level up, you know. Yeah. And that's, you know, honestly, here's a good little segue.
• 39:34
  For those of you that are interested in solutions, right, there are still Ice Age farmer groups out
• 39:43
  there and they are solutions oriented. They're very topical, you know, gardening, livestock,
• 39:49
  uh, you know, poultry and birds, you know, homeschooling, you know, uh, home crafts,
• 39:56
  construction, communications, all of these things. And they're very large groups of people that
• 40:01
  discuss solutions, you know, help each other out with growing things. And, you know, a lot of it,
• 40:08
  you know, gears towards, you know, familial, but also local resilience. Right. And, uh, you know,
• 40:15
  that's, that's a wonderful thing. And, and I've gotten to be, uh, you know, a small part of,
• 40:20
  of those groups over time. And, and, uh, I, I think that's an amazing, you know, thing that
• 40:26
  you brought to bear with, you know, originally from the ice age farmer days and, and it's still
• 40:31
  there. Right. And, and obviously you, you, uh, you know, are the, are the decision maker at the,
• 40:38
  at the top of that, that pyramid, but it's a good pyramid. I like this pyramid.
• 40:43
  don't sell yourself
• 40:44
  sounds like a good place to me
• 40:45
  yeah Havoc you are an integral part of it
• 40:47
  and my hat's off to you
• 40:48
  thank you so much for
• 40:49
  for all you've done over the years
• 40:50
  to keep those groups
• 40:51
  yeah
• 40:52
  yeah there's a bunch of us
• 40:54
  and I just am one
• 40:56
  so you know
• 40:57
  I don't want to take any
• 40:58
  any undue credit
• 40:59
  because there's quite a
• 41:01
  number of really good people
• 41:03
  it's amazing
• 41:03
  yeah it's amazing
• 41:04
  and the groups are also
• 41:07
  as you say amazing
• 41:08
  there's now there's years
• 41:09
  of history of people
• 41:10
  coming in and saying
• 41:11
  you know my chick
• 41:12
  has splayed legs and I tried with toothpicks, but this, you gotta be kidding me. This doesn't work.
• 41:16
  And you can see all these different people say, yeah, that didn't work for me or here's what did
• 41:20
  and blah, blah, blah, and back and forth. And, uh, you know, I feel, sometimes I feel like there
• 41:25
  should be, um, yeah, it's just, it's a little limiting sometimes to have to go through the
• 41:31
  telegrams search, but, um, but it can be worth it. There's a lot of knowledge that's,
• 41:35
  it's in those message histories there. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a big fan. I absolutely love it. You know,
• 41:42
  they've helped me out quite a bit as well, you know, and I'm no, you know, new person to,
• 41:48
  you know, raising livestock or growing a garden or fruit trees or berries, et cetera, and,
• 41:54
  you know, have some land and do all of those things. But, you know, the amount of knowledge
• 42:00
  in the groups is quite amazing. And it's one of my, it's my daily white pill. I get to go in there
• 42:06
  And it's just this, you know, overwhelming sense of, of, you know, of positivity, you know, what, even when someone's coming with a big problem, right? They ask for a problem and everyone's like, oh, you know what? Hey, here, we did this and this is what worked for us. You know, it's just this very helpful group. It feels like, you know, a very large family coming together and everyone wants to help everyone.
• 42:31
  And that, you know, again, that's my daily white pill.
• 42:34
  Every morning I log on, I'm like, yeah, every once in a while, it's like, not another one of these.
• 42:40
  You know, so you're saying it's not like Facebook at all.
• 42:44
  Oh, no, no, it's, it's very tightly controlled.
• 42:47
  The moderators, myself included, are, are, are extremely strict in that, you know, the, the topic is the topic of the group.
• 42:56
  And if we get outside that topic, if it's, you know, something that's on topic for another group, we just suggest, hey, you know, take this as a group for that particular topic.
• 43:05
  But if it happens to be, you know, something of the doom scrolling nature, which quite often happens, right?
• 43:12
  It's, you know, if it's on topic and completely related, sure, a little bit.
• 43:18
  but when it starts doom scrolling and you know that that constant like everyone starts feeding
• 43:24
  into the bad energy of that and it moves away from solutions focus that's when we come in and
• 43:31
  we say okay it's enough and you know if you don't want to agree to that or get along with that then
• 43:37
  you know bye yeah that's that's i think the magic of it is that it is a claps aware group
• 43:45
  but the focus is on solutions. And so to the extent that, um, any of the news that usually
• 43:52
  belongs in Ice Age Farmer videos, like, I mean, that was the point of Ice Age Farmer too. That's
• 43:55
  why there's a flower growing out of a snowflake is because it's like, okay, this is kind of
• 43:58
  getting crazy. How do we turn this into something good, right? How do we grow from this anyway?
• 44:03
  And the groups are like the, the, the best manifestation of that because, uh, in, you know,
• 44:09
  in my daily life often, and certainly the decade ago when all this was the genesis of all this,
• 44:14
  I would just look around and feel like very alone.
• 44:16
  Like here I can perceive that humanity is completely like,
• 44:20
  you know,
• 44:21
  life or death battle with some proverbs and principalities,
• 44:24
  as you said,
• 44:24
  Alex.
• 44:25
  And,
• 44:26
  and if you're in a middle of a war and you're on the front and you look to
• 44:29
  your left and right and like,
• 44:30
  you just see like people just like not,
• 44:33
  not even aware that you're in a battle together,
• 44:35
  that doesn't feel very good.
• 44:36
  And so the groups is where you go and there's your,
• 44:38
  your daily white pill.
• 44:39
  You're like,
• 44:40
  you're there,
• 44:40
  there's claps of aware people,
• 44:42
  but they're not just endless.
• 44:44
  doom scrolling about it. They're like, okay, let's, let's grow the plants. Let's get the chickens.
• 44:48
  Let's make the world a better place. And, uh, those, those are the kind of people I want to be
• 44:52
  with. Yeah. I've learned quite a lot in, in a number of those groups too. The canning and,
• 44:58
  and preserve food preservation group is, has been huge for me, uh, you know, bolstering my,
• 45:04
  my ability to save food and, you know, the, uh, the herbal group has been really, really super
• 45:11
  helpful and i cannot i mean say that enough it's a you know again just great great groups of people
• 45:18
  yeah so if you want to check those out check those out i think it's it's just a wonderful
• 45:22
  group of people i will warn you the test isn't isn't super easy you have to actually put some
• 45:28
  brain work in but it's it look everyone you can get through it i promise it's not difficult and
• 45:34
  you can use google so how do you find these groups they are at t.me slash iaf underscore resources
• 45:42
  there's a big list of those there and you can link through to it has the list of them to canning and
• 45:48
  baking and there's quite a few nice yeah i'm kind of curious christian what do you got going on in
• 45:57
  your garden i know we've just harvested a bunch of butternut squash that uh for volunteers we
• 46:03
  weren't even looking forward to it we got a ton of green beans so i'm just kind of curious what
• 46:08
  you're uh growing in yours you you're missing a significant portion of information there uh this
• 46:13
  is butternut squash that i believe was somehow uh cross-pollinated with seminal pumpkin but it's got
• 46:22
  all the characteristics of butternut squash except some of the seminal pumpkin ridges on it
• 46:26
  and alexa's in florida butternut squash florida and it survived the onslaught of uh caterpillars
• 46:36
  that ate they skeletonized the leaves but the the squash itself was perfect so i i mean we've
• 46:43
  never grown them like this we i think we harvested almost 30 of them and we're i'm only on a little
• 46:47
  quarter acre you know right in the middle of city so we have our little you know garden of eden in
• 46:53
  the backyard we try to do our best so very cool yeah i've been spending the the thing that's
• 46:58
  sucking up my time right now from the garden side is uh amaranth so the it just has um it always
• 47:04
  takes off and then when you it's one of those wonderful uh virtuous cycles where you go off to
• 47:09
  collect the seeds and of course you're dropping them all over the place and so next year they're
• 47:12
  coming up where they're not supposed to be and um uh that's that's a fun part of it and i actually
• 47:18
  recently learned that um you can take these things and sort of like just sort of popcorn with them
• 47:22
  Like amaranth will sort of puff up and pop into a very, like a nutty kind of a taste.
• 47:27
  So that was the latest learning on the amaranth front, you know.
• 47:32
  Well, I just learned something new as well.
• 47:33
  I guess what I'm growing next year.
• 47:37
  It's prolific, so be careful where you put it.
• 47:39
  It's like mint, right?
• 47:40
  If you're going to put it somewhere, you got to keep an eye on it, you know.
• 47:44
  And this is a hilarious thing.
• 47:45
  We were, we were actually in the garden group a week ago or so.
• 47:50
  And, and, you know, someone was, was, you know, having issues growing, uh, uh, time
• 47:56
  or having issues growing time.
• 47:58
  And I'm like, I, you know, that stuff's just bulletproof for me.
• 48:01
  I just ignore it and it just keeps growing and getting bigger and bigger.
• 48:05
  Um, and you know, it hit me at one point and I'm like, you know what though?
• 48:09
  I've planted multiple, multiple starts for mint and it's all dying off for some reason.
• 48:17
  And what's funny is every experience I've ever had with mint was that it just, it's uncontainable, you know?
• 48:25
  So it's an interesting thing, but that's, you know, one of those permaculture lessons, right?
• 48:30
  You know, if it doesn't like where it is and doesn't want to grow there, try somewhere else, try something different, you know?
• 48:36
  find what does want to be there because you know plants are plants are people too all right so
• 48:42
  they're not people but you know what i mean they have desires and needs and wants and you know my
• 48:47
  rosemary plant may sit there and go i don't want anything i don't need anything from you i'm just
• 48:51
  going to do my thing and be happy uh my mint plants said no not here yeah we're constantly
• 48:59
  trying to figure it out like because florida is different than anywhere else i mean we have a very
• 49:05
  you know limited growing season and it's pretty much opposite of everybody else because in the
• 49:11
  summer we can't grow much at all so it's kind of weird yeah a really interesting conversation with
• 49:17
  david the good about his garden experiences in uh in florida which were yeah which were
• 49:23
  according to like subtropical very very different um i kind of want to kick to what you were saying
• 49:29
  havoc of like um if you can grow mint or it was time you can grow and she can grow time but she
• 49:35
  can't grow mint this is the where like this is a special time i think when all these crises are
• 49:41
  being talked about and when the governments are saying okay get ready everybody then like right
• 49:46
  now has to be that moment where we are finally ready to just walk outside and instead of only
• 49:51
  online in awesome groups but now it's like we just got to go have conversations offline and there's
• 49:57
  plenty of data like the ash conformity experiments that suggests that there are lots and lots of
• 50:02
  people out there who are also aware of what's going on but they just can't overcome the it's
• 50:08
  just the way like i'm not judging them right it's just the way that the experiments statistically
• 50:13
  show humanity lots of us are aware of something but don't have the uh the the tendency to overcome
• 50:22
  the social and cultural pressures to actually stand on a limb and say it. So for those of us
• 50:29
  that do, right, that are willing to go out and be the different one, that actually gives them
• 50:34
  permission to change. And those experiments, I don't know if you guys have seen those, but it's
• 50:39
  like, they did something really like super obvious. It was like three lines on a paper,
• 50:44
  and like one is short and two are long, and they're like, which one's long? And like everybody
• 50:47
  in the room there was only actually one person that was the subject everyone else in the room was
• 50:53
  uh they were told that they were a subject but they were in on what was going on and so everyone
• 50:57
  in the room gives the wrong answer and like nine times out of ten by the time the answer gets back
• 51:02
  to the person like which line is longer they give the wrong answer because they don't want to be the
• 51:08
  odd man like the only they just maybe they didn't understand right or maybe they just something they
• 51:15
  can't overcome it and they question their own judgment whatever's going on for them um takes
• 51:22
  control and so it's only once the uh one more person it doesn't take half the group or like
• 51:28
  you know a popularity contest just one other person has to come in the room and say you guys
• 51:33
  are tripping this line is the short one and then the person's like yeah of course what's wrong so
• 51:38
  when the those of us who are able to speak out go out and do it now or wear crazy shirts or do
• 51:44
  like different strokes for different folks
• 51:46
  and it's going to take all of these different strokes
• 51:49
  right now, that actually is freeing,
• 51:52
  it's liberating to the other people around us
• 51:55
  who perhaps through no fault of their own
• 51:58
  just are waiting, they're just waiting for us
• 52:00
  to have that conversation.
• 52:03
  So if nothing else, when you see governments
• 52:04
  saying stuff like that, that's what I think we should take from it.
• 52:07
  It's like, okay, it's time to, again, to up our game
• 52:11
  and to rise to the challenge here.
• 52:14
  That's a great point.
• 52:15
  The pressure to socially conform is very high amongst,
• 52:20
  I would say, most people.
• 52:22
  Nobody wants to be the weirdo that talks about the fringe subjects,
• 52:27
  especially, and I guess you take that risk
• 52:31
  to kind of be put in that category,
• 52:34
  But I mean, some people just don't mind being the weirdo a little bit.
• 52:39
  With the ASH experiments, you can also piggyback on that with the Milgram experiments as well as the Stanford Prison Experiment, right?
• 52:46
  These are all well-documented and there's videos on them and everything else.
• 52:51
  So you can actually go, oh, look, this isn't kooky.
• 52:54
  This was an actual scientific experiment.
• 52:56
  You know, and here on the Milgram, there's people literally shocking people.
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  And the only direction they're given is a guy in a white lab coat.
• 53:05
  He's just pretending like he has authority over you to tell you to keep shocking this person that's gone unresponsive or in the ash.
• 53:12
  Again, like you're being fed information and you're being put in a social experiment where nine of your peers out of group of 10 people total are saying the wrong answer.
• 53:26
  And you don't want to look like the buffoon going, well, that's not right.
• 53:29
  I mean, it's right there, you know?
• 53:32
  So you look at these things and it becomes a little bit more palatable to have that conversation
• 53:38
  if you can actually show that information and show someone, look, it's not, this isn't
• 53:43
  kookiness.
• 53:44
  This is just an actual experiment that went on on human nature.
• 53:48
  It doesn't say you're bad.
• 53:49
  It doesn't mean anything like that.
• 53:51
  It's more to just show what human nature is, right?
• 53:56
  Yeah, Milgram is one of the scariest studies I think you can find.
• 53:59
  yes and I think there's another thing going on which is that like
• 54:06
  more so than ever before and this has been sort of like the general they popularize the concept
• 54:12
  of the generation gap and like oh my parents don't understand me and that was kind of like
• 54:16
  70s 80s programming MTV like oh the parents are you know but now it's like in hyperdrive with
• 54:22
  with new terms and oh and openly blaming boomers and stuff like that right they have the generations
• 54:29
  and of course the genders for a long time now at war with each other and when we've got all this
• 54:34
  craziness going on uh we just gotta like put that aside and one of the stories that that um
• 54:41
  in the ice age front by the way i didn't intentionally rebrand i would say that's a
• 54:45
  failed rebrand everyone still calls me ice age farmer it's just when i came back and i tried to
• 54:49
  get ice age farmer back they just banned it right away so i had to like i had to do something i just
• 54:54
  sort of sneak in the back door there but um one of the ice age farmer in interviews was with a young
• 55:00
  man who uh again became collapse aware is one way to say it and said i gotta grow some stuff but
• 55:07
  again i don't have land i certainly don't have resources to go buy land like and instead of just
• 55:12
  freaking out or doom scrolling about it he went out and he found that at the end of his block there
• 55:19
  was a little old lady that had a self-described little old lady that had a garden that had just
• 55:25
  been fallow for many years because she was you know her husband had died and she was indoors now
• 55:29
  and it's just sort of the way it happens and he said hey I'd love to I see you got a garden I'd
• 55:35
  love to to work on that garden with you you know can I do that and I can give you some of the
• 55:39
  vegetables and she's like are you kidding of course right and she was elated and he found a couple
• 55:44
  like another man down the street and did the same thing and grew it up and not only did he produce
• 55:50
  food not having any land to himself in doing this but um but once this woman's garden was growing
• 55:59
  like like i said before there's something magic about the plants there's something special and
• 56:03
  of course she was out there once it was there and he was there he would come out and do a little bit
• 56:08
  out there and she didn't have enough um mobility to do the whole thing herself and like hollow
• 56:15
  compost but when it's growing you can sort of come out and tend the weeds and sort of be a part of it
• 56:19
  so it got her out of the house and doing and working in the garden again which i think is a
• 56:22
  beautiful uh side effect of it as well but all this to say like this is spanning the generations
• 56:30
  and also the economic opportunities right there like some people have the land but they don't
• 56:36
  have the physical capabilities to work it anymore. Some people are plenty spry, but they don't have
• 56:41
  the resource to do it. And when we go have these conversations, and this is another reason I'm
• 56:47
  saying it's time, let's just go out and start talking about it, then you can bridge these
• 56:52
  gaps. And I think they're artificial, you know, like old people are cool. Old people have really
• 56:58
  cool experiences and stories. And like, I really value learning stuff from them. And so I reject
• 57:04
  this whole idea that they're old and antiquated and don't don't get it um and then also i was
• 57:09
  going to say alex to your point like i don't even think that it's that outlandish i don't think
• 57:14
  these conversations i think it's it's like it's there's the concept of the overton window right
• 57:19
  which is like how far can you go before people are like that's not normal like we don't talk
• 57:25
  about that here it's like that's taboo and and i think the overton window has been rapidly moving
• 57:31
  towards a point where we can go out and say, yeah, there's an agenda to take over food. I mean,
• 57:36
  there's like, look at Monsanto and things like this. People have been sort of hearing it for
• 57:40
  long enough that if you just sort of speak about it now, they kind of get it. If not having studied
• 57:45
  it, then even just at the intuitive level and after COVID and like, there's just a growth in
• 57:53
  awareness and resulting movement in the Overton window that maybe you don't even need to have a
• 57:58
  tinfoil hat anymore we just need to go out and start the conversation and then we'll find out
• 58:02
  oh my gosh everybody's been thinking this yeah i think the whole covid thing changed a lot of
• 58:08
  people's perspective on on a lot of things it to me it kind of seems like like i'd like a whole
• 58:14
  shift in in and how people think about things and you know i don't know no i mean it certainly has
• 58:21
  it's had a huge impact to the medical industry right i mean they you know a little bit of panic
• 58:27
  in that industry because people are like, you know what I mean? Uh, which, which is new. Right.
• 58:34
  And, and I think it's okay to talk about that. Right. And like you were saying, right, it's okay
• 58:38
  to talk about these things with people. And, and, you know, I, I think, you know, I try and do this
• 58:44
  in a way that's, you know, a soft landing, right. Let's, let's, let's test the waters, right. Let's
• 58:50
  see where this person's at. And so far, you know, most people are like, yeah, you know, they, they
• 58:57
  get it right. But maybe they aren't willing to bring it up. They're not willing to be the first
• 59:03
  to engage. They're not willing to openly admit it until they're with someone that they're comfortable
• 59:09
  with that, you know, feels the same way. Uh, and, and it's a great time to, you know, just like in
• 59:15
  COVID, you know, we saw, uh, an explosion of people looking for solutions. Like what, what can I do?
• 59:22
  You know I need to be you know okay I need I need a garden I need to know you know how to mend clothes I need to know how to build stuff uh et cetera And and it okay to you know to help them along with solutions as well and and point that And I actually make a habit out of telling pretty much everybody that I meet to grow their own vegetables
• 59:45
  You know, I live in an apartment.
• 59:47
  Oh yeah, it's great.
• 59:49
  I grow the most amazing cherry tomatoes in five gallon buckets.
• 59:53
  Do you have a balcony that'll fit a five gallon bucket?
• 59:56
  Man, you could grow the most amazing cherry tomatoes.
• 59:59
  And, you know, it seems like a very small thing, but you're, you're introducing food for yourself. You're hopefully going to plant a bug in them once they start eating that fruit and they start going, wow, this is amazing. And they're going to want more of it.
• 1:00:12
  And the piece to that that I think is really, really the biggest foundation for it is even that little teeny bit takes something away from that centralized distribution network.
• 1:00:30
  right so if everyone took a little bit away you know and over time made that a little bit more
• 1:00:38
  and a little bit more that power center starts to collapse in under on itself because it no longer
• 1:00:44
  has the the control over people you know and you know back to the time and the and the mint thing
• 1:00:51
  you know my first reaction is like well you know if you can grow mint and i can grow time
• 1:00:55
  you know i'll grow time for you you grow meant for me you know and and that's that's the kicker
• 1:01:01
  right you find neighbors you're like hey i'm growing cherry tomatoes and they're like oh i'm
• 1:01:05
  growing eggplant do you like eggplant yeah like eggplant well i have so many i can't eat them
• 1:01:09
  oh my gosh same with the cherry let's trade and now you've got eggplant and cherry tomatoes you
• 1:01:14
  know it's a beautiful i think for a lot of people i mean they they obviously know how vegetables grow
• 1:01:19
  But in practical application, it's a mystery.
• 1:01:24
  They think vegetables grow on a store shelf, and that's where they come from.
• 1:01:29
  They've never actually tried it.
• 1:01:31
  And, I mean, obviously we know they taste better, but, I mean, there's a little bit of joy that goes into it knowing, you know, that you planted that seed or, you know, that slip or whatever, and it grew into a full plant.
• 1:01:43
  And, you know, you get to harvest the fruits of your labor, so to say.
• 1:01:47
  Yeah. And, and a big warning to everyone that may be watching this at any point in time that has this, you know, seed bank that they got that's sealed in mylar bags and everything else. And you've never grown a garden. I've got really bad news for you.
• 1:02:05
  if you don't start growing a garden now and figuring out how to do this,
• 1:02:10
  you're going to starve.
• 1:02:11
  Because if you're banking on planting seeds to feed yourself,
• 1:02:16
  you're not going to make it.
• 1:02:18
  I'm sorry.
• 1:02:20
  You know, it takes a lot of skill.
• 1:02:21
  It takes a lot of knowledge.
• 1:02:22
  And that's where, you know, groups like the Ice Age Farmer groups come in,
• 1:02:26
  where there's just tons of people and a lot of new people come in.
• 1:02:30
  And, you know, in short order, they're like, man, thank you so much.
• 1:02:33
  And fixing problems with plants and, you know, helping them identify issues and helping them, you know, how do I get rid of pests without spraying this, you know, wildly toxic stuff, you know.
• 1:02:46
  And, you know, that's all in there.
• 1:02:47
  It's a lot of knowledge and a lot of friendly and helpful people.
• 1:02:51
  Sorry, I keep plugging that.
• 1:02:52
  But I enjoy the groups.
• 1:02:54
  To say there's a learning curve would probably be an understatement, I would say.
• 1:02:59
  Well, yeah.
• 1:02:59
  I mean, I've been doing it for decades now and I still learn.
• 1:03:03
  you still fail right i've failed a lot all of which underscores what you said just if it's just
• 1:03:09
  on your balcony with a five gallon pot uh or bucket and some tomatoes um that is still you
• 1:03:15
  getting the experience seeing the plant throughout the season the sun oh the sun moves from different
• 1:03:20
  places to put i never even knew right people there is a learning curve as you as you get to see
• 1:03:24
  um how the seasons work and and uh everything everything changes and uh and there's more to
• 1:03:31
  learn in these in any you know for any of those rooms there's more to learn than any one person
• 1:03:36
  can learn in a lifetime so we don't have to be like ashamed like oh a lot of people have this
• 1:03:40
  like yeah the shame around like well i should know more before i ask the question or i'm embarrassed
• 1:03:46
  that i know how to do this like we really have time for that right now like we just need to
• 1:03:50
  connect with people and walk outside or walk into an online group and say hey here's where i am
• 1:03:55
  how can i get to the next what's the next step for me here and and how do i grow from here
• 1:04:00
  yeah absolutely ask for help people believe it or not more people than more people will be willing
• 1:04:08
  to help than those that would not you know and in these groups everyone's going to be jumping in to
• 1:04:14
  try and help you know so but in general in life i at least in my experience and you know i've been
• 1:04:20
  around for a little while uh you know people are generally willing to help if if they know how if
• 1:04:25
  they can, right? So ask for help. Ask the stupid questions because everyone has to start there.
• 1:04:33
  You know, it'd be neat if we were all born with all of the intrinsic knowledge of the universe,
• 1:04:38
  but then why would we need a body?
• 1:04:44
  Yep, that's what the adventure, exactly. That's the adventure. That's what it's all about.
• 1:04:49
  And it's going to take everybody that's, you know, like you were saying about the herbal group,
• 1:04:53
  there's a whole and especially given Alex what you were saying about the the um the newfound but
• 1:04:59
  mercifully the the new uh distrust of the medical field like there's a bunch of new interest or
• 1:05:05
  renewed interest in herbal medicine and alternative treatments and stuff like that and there is I mean
• 1:05:11
  that is something where you could spend the rest of your life reading and growing and trying and
• 1:05:16
  looking at Ayurveda versus the American herbalists and all these different things and still never
• 1:05:23
  catch up with, I think, I don't know what there is to catch up with, but there's always be more
• 1:05:29
  to learn there. It's just a tremendous depth of herbs to work with there and their uses.
• 1:05:36
  So if it's vegetables that you like, great, you can go with that. If you don't have much space,
• 1:05:39
  you can grow meaningful amounts of herbs and medicinal things in a small space,
• 1:05:45
  or just go with the rabbits if you want to go with meat. There's plenty of opportunities for
• 1:05:51
  to get involved with the food system or with any of these other alternatives if it's alternative
• 1:05:55
  herbal medicines or you can be if you're a lawyer right you can be involved in spearheading
• 1:06:00
  a new local currency or something like this that your community can can use or making sure that the
• 1:06:07
  laws are set in a way for your neighborhood so that you can have a a seed swap or a farmer's
• 1:06:13
  market without having to go through the red tape like there's ways to to sort of make things happen
• 1:06:18
  No matter what your background and experience are, I think all of us should be hearing the call right now and should be rising to it.
• 1:06:28
  Indeed.
• 1:06:29
  Yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:06:30
  And build your local resilience group, right?
• 1:06:33
  Find people around you.
• 1:06:36
  They're there, right?
• 1:06:37
  And I would, you know, you mentioned earlier that there was a point where you were like, I feel alone.
• 1:06:43
  Like, I noticed, right?
• 1:06:46
  and but nobody else notices it's like there are tons of people and and I
• 1:06:53
  remember feeling that same thing and coming upon like my very first group at
• 1:06:57
  one point it was on Facebook way way back and I was like oh my gosh there's
• 1:07:03
  people like I not alone you know what I mean and it was such an uplifting experience just to have other people that you know saw things the way I did and and or you know
• 1:07:15
  I would say the way they actually are. Right. Um, and, and to have that community where you can
• 1:07:22
  bounce ideas and listen to other ideas and, you know, have, have some support when you feel kind
• 1:07:28
  of like, you know, am I just crazy here? Am I off? You know, um, it's a really good thing.
• 1:07:35
  And the same with, you know, if you are going to start gardening, you know, find a group of
• 1:07:40
  gardeners, go look for a community garden, find the old person on your street. It's almost a
• 1:07:46
  guarantee that they've grown vegetable gardens and they will have knowledge that is amazing.
• 1:07:53
  right and they'll get you out of hard spots pretty quickly you know and and that's just an amazing
• 1:08:00
  thing you know it might even have some nice uh gritty heirloom seeds that they've been
• 1:08:06
  growing and you can't find those anymore so yeah definitely worth connecting with with uh
• 1:08:12
  with master gardeners with the folks down the street with all your neighbors that are growing
• 1:08:17
  host a seed swap is a great way to meet people and to get new varieties for yourself as well so
• 1:08:25
  yeah plenty plenty plenty of things to do i didn't mention mechanics mechanics are also a huge
• 1:08:30
  like a huge need like if we're moving into a place where fuel is at a higher premium or perhaps not
• 1:08:37
  available for times then then everyone's going to be like breaking out their bike and if you know
• 1:08:43
  how to repair bikes then that makes you a huge asset to your community so maybe you spend your
• 1:08:47
  time doing that and then you just take the mint and the time from your friends down the street
• 1:08:51
  um i really do think no matter what your life path has has brought you through like there's
• 1:08:58
  there's a call for it right now yeah i totally agree so what what right now gives you the most
• 1:09:06
  hope like what what what is one thing you look at and you just go it's you know we're gonna be okay
• 1:09:13
  because of X, Y, or Z?
• 1:09:18
  It's a good question.
• 1:09:20
  Perhaps a difficult one
• 1:09:22
  because I got to choose.
• 1:09:24
  I think trusting God
• 1:09:28
  has to be at the top of the list.
• 1:09:30
  It just has to.
• 1:09:31
  And then that's informed also by,
• 1:09:33
  it's not just sort of a naive faith,
• 1:09:35
  it's also informed by
• 1:09:36
  what we said earlier,
• 1:09:38
  which is that what's going on
• 1:09:40
  has to happen.
• 1:09:42
  It is the necessary end point
• 1:09:43
  of us having sort of collectively wandered down the wrong conclusion about reality.
• 1:09:49
  And that's got a limited run, right?
• 1:09:53
  I think it's not going to be one person who finally broadcasts hard enough or any activism.
• 1:10:02
  I don't think we're going to vote our way out of it, right?
• 1:10:04
  I think they are going to fail under the weight of their own failed ontology and their hubris.
• 1:10:11
  and I don't pretend for a moment that that's going to be a painless process. I think we're
• 1:10:18
  definitely going to be in for some rough times but it's going to be as exactly as rough as it
• 1:10:22
  has to be for us to do that work that we said humanity has to do of like okay this was our
• 1:10:28
  shadow and we see it now and we can accept that we're this is part of all of us actually at the
• 1:10:35
  end of the day and we just need to own our own stuff and then make sure that we're on a daily
• 1:10:41
  basis authoring the tomorrow that we want to experience and that we want our children to
• 1:10:47
  experience rather than reacting out of fear or or or just building the prison because they're
• 1:10:54
  paying us and you know we've got to get by so i'm just going to go try and ignore this we that's the
• 1:10:59
  like what is it the howard beale like stay in your rooms and your rooms get smaller and smaller until
• 1:11:04
  I'm not going to take it anymore. That really doesn't, that's all in the world that they control.
• 1:11:11
  Whereas if we say, okay, let's rise to the challenge. And I see more and more people
• 1:11:16
  operating from that radical acceptance space where they say, yeah, it's collapse awareness,
• 1:11:23
  but not black pill. It's how do we grow even though we were blooming out of two pieces of
• 1:11:31
  cement grown together right now. It's just, it's a, it's a crazy time, but what else can you do
• 1:11:36
  except for shine and trusting God to take care of the rest? Yeah. And one, one of the things like,
• 1:11:43
  you know, and you're, you're aware of this because I've, I've been fairly clear about this
• 1:11:49
  at specific points. Like for me, you know, I have a great deal of, of, you know, appreciation and
• 1:11:58
  respect for people that, you know, do the type of work that you do, right? With the, you know,
• 1:12:05
  putting together the, the articles and the, and the, you know, videos and everything else, they're,
• 1:12:10
  you know, kind of, you know, exposing what, what is happening, you know, potentially why it's going
• 1:12:17
  on, things, things of that nature, right? And one of the things for me though, is those types of
• 1:12:23
  things, I have to be very, very cautious with them because after a brief, you know, amount of
• 1:12:30
  time spent in that lane, I start to feel like, I'm just going to sound a little hooey, but I feel
• 1:12:40
  like a darkness coming over me. Right. And, and it starts to impact my, my psyche and my, my ego
• 1:12:47
  and my relationships even.
• 1:12:51
  And one of the things I would love to hear your take on is
• 1:12:54
  how do you kind of clear that from yourself
• 1:12:58
  and reground yourself and find kind of that light again, right?
• 1:13:04
  And I imagine obviously God is a big part of that
• 1:13:07
  and it is for me as well, right?
• 1:13:10
  But I don't delve into it as regularly as you do.
• 1:13:15
  And I think for me, I'd have a really difficult time with that.
• 1:13:20
  So how do you kind of step back and reclaim your energy,
• 1:13:24
  that positive light and all that?
• 1:13:30
  Garden is a big part of it.
• 1:13:32
  So just doing the disconnecting and connecting instead with the soil
• 1:13:37
  and like you said, with God.
• 1:13:38
  But broadcasting actually itself is like how I exorcise it.
• 1:13:43
  So if I'm going to take in this data, then the least I can do is at least try and put it together into a way that other people can get it and understand it too.
• 1:13:54
  And that way I'm not just downloading it and accumulating it.
• 1:13:59
  I'm actually metabolizing it and trying to turn it into something that's understandable, but then actually also actionable for other people.
• 1:14:07
  Because if all this information just keeps landing on people, if you're just doom scrolling, there's the darkness.
• 1:14:12
  It is the darkness.
• 1:14:12
  It's why they call it the black pill, right?
• 1:14:14
  It looks hopeless.
• 1:14:16
  And if you're only operating from a, you know,
• 1:14:20
  if you're looking for a political solution to this problem,
• 1:14:23
  then it is going to be hopeless.
• 1:14:24
  I think that's not where we're going to find it.
• 1:14:26
  So it's understandable.
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, so it's understandable that people get to that place.
• 1:14:30
  But yeah, that's why I have always been so careful
• 1:14:34
  to end every video every article with and go grow food right And here how we reclaim the sovereignty right And this is what we take from this It not we screwed at the end Blah blah blah blah blah
• 1:14:46
  You mentioned that they're genetically modifying plants
• 1:14:50
  and the microbiome of the entire planet right now
• 1:14:53
  and spraying this across millions of acres.
• 1:14:56
  And then period, like that's,
• 1:14:58
  you can't end an article there
• 1:14:59
  and then have people like, oh, crap.
• 1:15:02
  Even if I grow food, it's just-
• 1:15:04
  We're screwed.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah.
• 1:15:04
  it's not helpful
• 1:15:07
  it's informative but not helpful
• 1:15:09
  and I try
• 1:15:11
  really hard to be helpful
• 1:15:13
  both because it's helpful
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  and because that's
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  I forget what you said but
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  yeah reclaiming the light is the way you said it
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  yeah yeah
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  it's purging that darkness and getting
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  that light back in where
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  you know
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  because I feel like when I get into those dark places
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  I'm not of any use to anyone
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  Yeah, really. In fact, I'm a detriment to most people around me. So awesome, man. Hey, you know what? I really, really want to thank you for giving us some of your time. I think this, you know, time is our most precious commodity by far. And, you know, I very much appreciate that.
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  I think it's probably a great place to wrap up.
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  We just had some good positive, you know, notes there.
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  And one question we like to ask all of our guests is throughout our lives,
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  there's a figure that had a lasting and massive impact on our lives.
• 1:16:08
  And this could be, you know, an author, a historical figure,
• 1:16:11
  could be a sixth grade science teacher, could be mom, could be anyone.
• 1:16:16
  Who would you like to kind of give a shout out to for that impact?
• 1:16:23
  If you'll allow me to sneak into, I think I would probably say that I think Carl Jung has been hugely influential and has helped me in exactly the process we were talking about tonight.
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  And like trying to figure out what the heck's going on out there.
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  It was he who said, whatever you don't integrate, whatever you don't want to accept will come at you in the outside world until you do.
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  And that's, I think that is the process that's happening to us as a collective right now.
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  So that's really like fundamental and influential in the way that my whole worldview has constructed.
• 1:17:01
  And I would also, and I might surprise you here, I would also say Bill W.
• 1:17:05
  Because I think AA has, and all of the 12-step programs have done a different, sort of like codified in a different way.
• 1:17:14
  But it's that same radical acceptance.
• 1:17:16
  You find that the only way that you can be victorious here is to surrender to it.
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  and so I think a lot of humanity I think actually that's this one of the how do I say this I think
• 1:17:31
  a lot of people would benefit from understanding the 12-step principles in exactly the problems
• 1:17:37
  we're facing today because it's this trying to fight and and use self-will to control the reality
• 1:17:43
  and that's not the way I like it so I'm going to go do stuff until it is the way I like it and it's
• 1:17:47
  not working because that's really just not how reality responds to us. And if we could get people
• 1:17:52
  to say, okay, whoa, I don't really have control over this. And I may never. And I just got to
• 1:18:02
  go to God and say, you're in control and you just give me the power and put me in the place you need
• 1:18:08
  me today. Put me in coach and give me the strength to do whatever your will is. And I think if,
• 1:18:14
  whether you think that's God or spirit or universe or whatever word or concept works for you. It's
• 1:18:21
  kind of like exactly, you know, I don't think there's one diet that works for people. Like if
• 1:18:26
  you're vegan, that's okay. Maybe if you eat meat only, great. I think different people use different
• 1:18:33
  food sources and they can use different sources of spiritual inspiration as well. But I think we
• 1:18:39
  need to draw closer to those sources right now of spirit and um and uh and that will help us
• 1:18:47
  through this without just getting lost in the doom scrolling fog so those would be my two
• 1:18:51
  awesome you gotta give a side shout out to dr bob as well sure just saying
• 1:18:58
  so yeah no awesome i that's awesome and i i've always i've always i've always you know
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  really enjoyed Jung
• 1:19:06
  and really despised
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  Freud.
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  I just, like,
• 1:19:13
  come on with the mommy issues, alright?
• 1:19:15
  I'm sorry, man. Not everything's that.
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  But, again,
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  and also, not to mention his,
• 1:19:21
  you know, was his nephew?
• 1:19:24
  His uncle.
• 1:19:25
  You're right, it was his nephew, yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Yeah. Bernays, right?
• 1:19:29
  Yeah. Wasn't his nephew?
• 1:19:31
  I think it was his nephew, yeah.
• 1:19:33
  Great guy.
• 1:19:34
  not. Anyway,
• 1:19:37
  hey, thank you so much for giving us some of your time.
• 1:19:39
  Where can people... Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say it's been an absolute
• 1:19:43
  pleasure to be here. I've really enjoyed the... genuinely enjoyed the conversation, so thank you.
• 1:19:48
  Awesome, awesome. So where can people
• 1:19:50
  find you? What do you got coming up? What are you working on?
• 1:19:56
  You can find the
• 1:19:58
  site at unshadowed.org, and there's still... we mentioned
• 1:20:02
  the telegram at t.me slash ice age farmer, which also has links to t.me slash iaf underscore
• 1:20:11
  resources. That's the menu of all the wonderful ice age farmer groups that are there with solutions
• 1:20:17
  oriented people. And of course on YouTube as well. But yeah, I'll probably be continuing to
• 1:20:26
  so this
• 1:20:28
  I was working on a video
• 1:20:31
  about the cyber pandemic
• 1:20:33
  has started perhaps because of this
• 1:20:35
  huge attack surface
• 1:20:37
  versus the AI is constantly scanning for things
• 1:20:39
  and all the things that have been telegraphed
• 1:20:42
  by Bill Gates and so forth
• 1:20:45
  but again and this is sort of
• 1:20:47
  I've held off for a few days and I was looking forward to this conversation
• 1:20:50
  because I do think like it's just
• 1:20:51
  it feels late in the game to just talk about
• 1:20:55
  problems right now. And so I think it's time to renew the focus on hope and on solutions.
• 1:21:03
  And at the end of the day, if the electronic devices go away, guess what? We lived for a
• 1:21:10
  very long time without them. We did just fine. So you'll be okay. Awesome. Well, thank you very
• 1:21:18
  much again for giving us some of your time. And thank you for giving us some of your time.
• 1:21:23
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• 1:21:27
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• 1:21:30
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• 1:21:35
  So look us up, find us, and remember, wherever you are, whenever you're watching this, have an amazing day.
• 1:21:47
  Thanks for coming by, Christian.
• 1:21:48
  See you, everybody.
• 1:21:49
  Thank you again.
• 1:21:53
  We'll see you next time.