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Episode #50: Premium Podcast & Become Food & Health Independent with Joel & Sina · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: All of these folks who are farming today in Israel do not have a background in farming.
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  SPEAKER_01: In AD 70, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, and the Jews fled to all corners of the of the planet for 2,000 years, since you know AD 70, for 2,000 years, the Jews have tried to carry their vocation on their back.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, they needed to be ready to flee from pilgrims and from from uh persecution um in different areas of the world.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your co-host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stephen McCullough, and I'm here with Joel Salatin, everybody's favorite farmer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And before we begin today's show, we have a quick announcement.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's a big announcement.
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  SPEAKER_00: As everybody knows, we have decided to move toward a subscription service.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Joel and I have um just made a big change to what the service will provide.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think you're gonna be quite surprised and pleased with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here to introduce that change is none other than Joel himself.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, thanks, Cena.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this has been quite a process.
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  SPEAKER_01: So C and I and our editor Nolan have wrestled now for a month with this, you know, the ins and outs of Beyond Labels moving to a subscription service.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't been easy.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: And this transition allows us to provide better content because we can speak freely and won't need to self-censor any longer, which opens us up for discussing more controversial topics and those topics in greater depth.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have no intention of getting rich, but we do have services that need to be paid for.
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  SPEAKER_01: And neither Cena nor I have deep enough pockets to subsidize these expenses from our own large S.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not independently wealthy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now, we're negative each month.
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  SPEAKER_01: As you know, the orthodox answer to this issue is advertising, but neither of us wants to be beholden to anyone, nor do we want to introduce bias into our opinions.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's been really difficult to think and try to imagine sponsors that that completely fit uh, you know, that don't have some rough edge somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, besides, why would we want to be orthodox?
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  SPEAKER_01: The next opinion, of course, uh or option is a flat rate subscription.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we make it high enough to guarantee all our expenses are paid and we get a little something for our time, some folks will feel economically alienated, alienated, and we get that.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, in true, voluntary libertarian contrariness, here's what we're going to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: We realize times are tough with inflation and this volatile market, and we don't want our subscription service to be a barrier for people.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Consequently, we're standing firm in our principle of a libertarian free market approach by offering, listen to this, an open-ended pricing system where you have the freedom to pay what you think the podcast is worth.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not trying to create an elitist platform.
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  SPEAKER_01: We want this content to be accessible to everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Therefore, we set an extremely low hurdle of only one dollar per month, which only covers the cost of the subscription service transaction fees.
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  SPEAKER_01: Folks who value it more and can afford a couple extra bucks can tithe, tip, donate, whatever you want to call it, to what you think it's worth.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if one dollar is all you can afford, then great.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome aboard.
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  SPEAKER_01: No coercion, no judgment.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going forth in faith and hoping that most, if not all, of you, will join us in this new adventure.
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  SPEAKER_01: We will respond to the market.
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  SPEAKER_01: If demand for our services are high, we'll expand our offering beyond a weekly podcast to include additional content, such as you know, behind the scenes uh with me, health hacks from Cena, uh, videos from on the farm, cooking and herbal videos, live QA's, farming tips, and health hacks and different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But at any rate, we cast our fortunes to grace and complete dependence on your blessing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today is the last free episode of Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_01: Please subscribe by clicking on the link that is located in the description box of this podcast episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening, for encouraging, and for enabling us to visit with you each week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's go boldly into tomorrow together.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was beautiful, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't have said that better myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited for this new adventure.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: And as our subscribers are going to learn, one of the reasons I am so excited about this is because this frees us up to talk about many more topics that would otherwise give us get us censored.
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  SPEAKER_00: And next week, we're going to start with one of those big topics.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to dive into the Inflation Reduction Act and talk about how that's going to affect farmers and every citizen in the United States.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: But we're going to put that behind the paywall so we don't get censored.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for today's episode, we have a we have a great podcast for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have um Joel is going to be basically featured in this episode, and he's going to start us out by talking about his new adventure that's involving farming in Israel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Sina, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so I've just just literally uh this morning um been on the phone with an organization called Ha Yovel, uh H-A-Y-O-V-E-L, Ha Yovel in uh Israel.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've been there for about 15 years, Americans working there uh to help the is Israeli farmers be successful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um you know it's hard for us in America to imagine living as a tiny country surrounded by hostile people who would like to destroy you, and that that's Israel's situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're good friends with the Canadians, we're good friends with the Mexicans, we're a great big country, you know, but uh, but Israel is is um uh is in a is in a tight spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that they realize is food independence is really important.
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  SPEAKER_01: They need to be able to feed themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't they can't rely on on airplanes coming in, they can't reply uh rely on ships coming in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so they need to feed themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they've had a very uh since 1947 when they when they the country was uh uh developed or redeveloped, I should say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh they've they've had a an active farming thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I've learned from these folks, and I I didn't it is one of these things, you know, you kind of know that it's there, but you you gotta connect some dots to make it real.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that that all of these folks who are farming today in Israel do not have a background in farming.
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  SPEAKER_01: In AD 70, when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the Jews fled to all corners of the of the planet um for 2,000 years, since you know AD 70, for 2,000 years, the Jews have tried to carry their vocation on their back.
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  SPEAKER_01: In other words, they needed to be ready to to flee from pilgrims and from from uh persecution um in different areas of the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why they became bankers and jewelers and um and and fixers of clocks and watches and and um uh uh uh you know traders in gemstones and things, because the tools of all those trades, you you can put it in a little bag, you know, uh um whether it's whether it's uh banking, jewelry, clock fixing, those kinds of things, those artisanal trades, all the tools can be packed in a little a little bag and you can flee for your life easily.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so for 2,000 years, the the Israelites, uh Israelis have never farmed.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've they've they've just not been farmer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, you know, certainly they they have some gardening and obviously they have their food culture, but but they've not been farmers because they didn't want to get tied to land that was hard to, you know, that that they couldn't uh take with them anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so here when all these Jews began coming back to the homeland to Israel, um, we have we have uh diamond dealers and bankers and jewelers out there you know trying to plant vineyard and you know handle sheep and and all that.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so they have unfortunately, um, while they're extremely clever, uh, they've been fairly much at the at the mercy, if you will, of the orthodox information.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and and they're struggling, they're really struggling.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so anyway, uh it's gonna be exciting to go over.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll go over uh next February, it looks like, uh, and spend about a week.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna be learning the first three or four days, and then I'll be uh encouraging and doing some seminars uh the last couple of days with farmers there to uh help them to um to be able to do their controlled grazing better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now they're feeding, they're they're feeding their cows a lot of chicken manure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um they're they're using a lot of grain, which is uh imported from other countries.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh they're not doing any managed grazing really.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's all uh you know, it's it's uh it's a it's a feedlot at night and let them wander where they can uh during the daytime.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so one of the things that this High Ul uh group is doing is they're trying to plant 20,000 trees a year to create sylvo pasture to add um add evapotranspiration and uh and and the bacterial uh the bacterially condensing particles in the atmosphere to stimulate a better hydrology cycle.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so um using the principles of permaculture, you know, uh uh Allen Savory and and what we do here, I've been friends with these folks for a long time.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh this will be my first trip to Israel, and I'm just really excited to be able to go over there and learn uh from them what their you know what their hurdles are, and uh if I can if I can offer some encouragement and some help, um I'll be excited to do that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: I wish uh do you need like a bad girl?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I can I will volunteer.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's uh uh I I've been I've been looking forward to this.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh interestingly, interestingly, uh if you've watched the news, you know that um Israel has been one of the leading um you know vaccination requirement uh places.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've kind of led that effort.
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  SPEAKER_01: And nobody in this in this uh outfit who lives there has been vaccinated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so they have been able to uh to stay under the radar and you know and and not be vaccinated from day one.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's well now you just you just outed them.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well there there are others, there are others, but but it was but you know, when when they first asked me to come, I said, look, you know, I'm not getting the vaccine to come, you know, period.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh and they said, Oh, no problem, you know, we we've been able to navigate under the radar the whole time too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm excited that they that we share, we also share that, you know, that uh whatever, that that mentality.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um uh good people.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm really I'm really looking forward to it and uh to be a part of that um that blossoming of the land that the old testament Isaiah uh prophesied, you know, that the that the desert would bloom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's gonna be a fun, a fun thing to see and be a part of.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um the whole thing of wanting to basically wear their professions on their back, you know, be able to pack it up and flee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, my first thought was just um how scary that must be to just live in that type of fear for you know a lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we got a little taste of that fear, just a little taste of it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We didn't know we're gonna be run out of the state with all this um the stuff that you know transpired in the last three years.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have a little bit of ability to relate to that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And even that was that was really stressful, very stressful situation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, my question for you is if you know already, so now it seems like the people who you're interacting with over there in Israel, they're laying down roots, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can't pack up your farm on your back, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So are they no longer afraid that they're gonna be run out of the country and they're gonna have to flee?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is it just not not no, uh not not not the ones who are there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the ones who don't live in Israel, yes, they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and they're not farming.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but it but it's these it's the Israelite, who is the Israelis who have returned to Israel who are yes, absolutely are putting down roots.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as you know, these are these are ancient roots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this was the promised land, and they're putting down ancient roots in that land.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, they ain't going anywhere.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: They uh and and I I've got news for the world.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh you think Israel's in trouble?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, uh, Israel isn't in trouble.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Israel Israel has uh has a general that um that's bigger than you and I.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and they're they're gonna be just fine.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: There and and so it it's a it's a privilege for me to be able to go, um to be able to go and encourage and love on um on these people.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's gonna be it's gonna be great.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Most of the farmers you're dealing with are orthodox, uh orthodox Jews, and um, and so you know there'll be uh translation, it'll be a different thing.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, uh Cena, that that is a that is a a just uh an interesting um uh uh a microcosm of as you mentioned, you know, through COVID and everything else, and and and we're being told now by the World Economic Forum, um, you know, Claude Schwab, as well as uh President Biden, be prepared for famine, the shelves are gonna be empty, and and uh we're being told this.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: And if there's one thing that we need to understand now, it is that when these big uh world leaders say things, when Putin says, I'm gonna invade, when um you know, when uh uh um when the World Economic Forum draws a dry run of a global pandemic, and and the and the language is exactly what we ended up seeing two years later on the news.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Thinking people need to understand when these people, you know, whether it's Bill Gates or or Klaus Schwab or or um you know uh um Joe Biden, when they say these things, they're not just blowing smoke.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're there this is a um uh well in literature we call it a foreshadowing.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a foreshadowing of people who know things, and so there is a burgeoning.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I just talked about Israel and their whole thing.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what's happening here in this country and a lot of places in the world is a new desire to create an independent foods near where we live, where to to to create for ourselves an independent foodscape.
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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, that's where we in the book Beyond Labels, that's where you and I ended up.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we started with with what's the best you can do at a supermarket?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, is there a different market?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then is there a better market?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, and we gradually walk people through this continuum to where uh by the end we were talking about how to grow your grow your own herbs on your on your front porch, right?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and that is a part of this of this independent foods, and so um so while while while you uncover uh everything from you know from corruption to uh abuse within the system, um and the reports of nutrition and all that, and we arm people with that, um I'm gonna bring this this whole independent foodscape idea to um you know uh to our listeners.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and and and and I see it in several compartments.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is production.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're gonna have an independent foodscape, first of all, you need to produce something, you know, whether it's tomato, you know, uh uh an egg from a chicken, whatever.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got we got the production in, which is kind of plants and animals, and then and and then you've got you've got to prepare that somehow.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, few people want to just crack an egg and you know, and and swallow it down.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can, but um, you know, that it it generally tastes better if it's poached or poached or fried or you know, scrambled or something.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so so preparations.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So then you get into cooking, uh uh butchery, you know, uh processing and preparing stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the third area is is preservation.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got this food.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it does it doesn't grow all the time.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so how do we how do we preserve from freezing to dehydrating, canning, fermenting, and there's a there's a lot of um there's a lot of techniques, approaches, and uh so we you know we dig into all that.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: But this this independent foodscape is uh is a is a great is a great issue uh for us as we go into you know uh disturbing times.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that I love that and my whole I love the whole wording of it, the independent foodscape.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: It just captures what we're trying to do so perfectly.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I'm gonna piggyback on that.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: So what Joel's saying is that in upcoming um episodes, he's gonna walk us through how to create our own independent foodscape, right?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: How to become food independent.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so that's part of his contribution to our new subscription service.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna be continuing to dive into the corruption so that we're all aware of what's happening here and kind of break it down um and connect the dots so we all are on the same page and we're we're not like no one's gonna pull the rug from under us, right?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're prepared.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we're also gonna help you to become more independent in terms of your health.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you can be food independent, you know, so first of all, you'll be aware of what's going on, so you're prepared.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you can be food independent and you can be health independent, you've got a pretty good shot of making it out there, right?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what happens.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so these are things that we're gonna try to provide under this new subscription service.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And now we have the ability to do it because we're not afraid to get censored there.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and one thing I wanted to piggyback on that is that one of the for me, I didn't talk much about this previously, but in my quest to become more independent in all these areas, um, that's a big reason why we moved.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: As you know, we this is my first podcast recording in northern Georgia.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: We made it woohoo!
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm I just it looks like it it looks like all the uh all the dog beds, all the dog beds uh were were um appropriated for the new location and they have adapted very, very well.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: They have, yes.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you've seen, if you're watching this on the video, you can see all my numerous dog beds hanging out around us.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they um they love it here because I'm well obviously because I'm here, but they're ready.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: We're renting right now as we look for land, and my dogs are so ready to be out of this rental and be run free again on the land.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, um, so we're adapting.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: But but one of the big reasons why we moved is because um, you know, I kept praying about what are we?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: I feel very unsettled.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I kept praying about what do you want me to do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where am I gonna go?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: What and the answer I kept getting was you need to build your local tribe.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like you and I are building this online tribe, which is fantastic, so that we don't feel alone, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're not the we're not the only people on the fringe out here, we're not crazy by ourselves, right?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we can support each other through through knowledge and um you know emotional support.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also great to have that local tribe, you know, for obvious reasons.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And um now that we moved here, I can tell you that I feel a lot calmer, uh, like just this sense of peace that's come about.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And um just a just a real quick example.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've been welcomed with open arms in the community here.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um it the community is so rich, and my kids have friends now, we've got friends.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to my first homesteader meeting with my girlfriend Mandy.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she's the one that helped with the cooking demo.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: At our last summit.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it, I tell you, Joel, it's amazing when you get together with these homesteading groups.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's a type of camaraderie and community that I've never experienced before.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're all so helpful.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's like, there's no judgment, nothing like that.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're all just there to help each other.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they were talking about starting a seed exchange, right?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because they do seed saving.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, okay, first of all, I don't even know how to save seeds, but I'm sure I can Google it and learn, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: But then I thought, well, I don't, I just moved here.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have any plants.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: So how am I going to participate in the seed saving?
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so I said to them, can I just buy some seeds from you so I can start my own garden?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, absolutely not.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: We are just going to give you the seeds that you need to start your garden.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we'll give you all the seeds you need.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I almost just started crying because I've never had that type of just generosity and love, like this outpouring of love.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, these are just really great.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love these homes, homesteaders in general, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a different mentality.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I just love it.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyhow, my point is um that might be part of you becoming in more independent, is trying to find this local tribe.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't necessarily mean you have to move to find that local tribe.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: You can plug into um, like Weston Price has those chapters, right?
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: You can plug into the chapter meetings, like they have them all over the place, like all over the country.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you can tap into go onto their website and tap into one of their local meetings and just plug in with those like-minded people.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: But that would be my my first tip for somebody to start with as independence is find your local tribe as local as possible.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that Weston Price, um, those chapters might be a good start since they're already widely distributed.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and you know, if you if you're not a if you're not afraid to just uh talk about these things, you you will find you will find people whose uh ears perk up.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, sure, that there'll be people that oh you know, you're a bit of a wacko, but there will be people who whose ears perk up, and there have been lots of uh you know of relationships like this started just because you're share your heart, share your don't be afraid to share your heart.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Some people will laugh at you, but there will be others who totally embrace it and say to you, I've been wanting to say this all my life.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when I wrote the book Marvelous Pignus of Pigs, um you know, basically a you know, uh, a faith-based uh view of of creation stewardship, that book had been in me for a long, long time.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, I I I didn't say a whole lot about it, but I can tell you I I can't tell you how many people have come up to me and said I have thought this way all my life, but I didn't have the words to say it, and I and I was afraid to say it, and and you gave me voice.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you each of us can be a voice for somebody else that's intimidated, intimidated by society, by expectations, by perceptions, by things.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: And uh a lot of times that quiet person in the work room is actually screaming inside, why doesn't somebody say something about you know uh uh being responsible for your own health or not trusting the government to fix all your problems?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Why doesn't somebody say that?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And and and when you just mention it, there's this, there's this, you know, the angel saying it's a it's a it's a good thing.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so um and so don't be intimidated and don't back up.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just uh speak your truth into people you encounter, and pretty soon that will that will bring to your uh doorstep, it'll bring to your doorstep um the kind of people that you wanna uh you know that you want to hold hands with.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, no nobody wants to go through crisis alone.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody wants to go through crisis alone.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot easier going through crisis holding hands with somebody.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so think of it that way.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um if there's gonna be crisis, if there's gonna be crazy times, who do I want to hold hands with?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if I don't have that person, help me find that person.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you're not gonna find that person by sitting on your hands, being quiet, and being intimidated.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna find that person by uh speaking your truth into the community, and you'll and you'll find that person.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Every community is full of people that are ready to run with this, and you just need to find them.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we even have a good friend um up in um the New York area who he has found a tribe of like-minded people that he has connected together.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he he he's like that keystone uh, you know, in that group.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: And of all places, if he could do it of all places, right?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Then the rest of us can do it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he's got a large group that's pulled together.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can even go to like your local farmers market and just start talking to the farmers there and find, you know, some like-minded people there.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because it really does make a difference.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's much easier to be, you know, self-sustain, self-sufficient if you have a local tribe to help you do it, right?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because like like the group here, they exchange foods.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like if one person's growing this, the other person will grow that, and they'll exchange things together.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: They'll get milk from each other.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what I mean?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a little bit daunting to think.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, like someone like me who hasn't done this before, it's a little overwhelming to think, okay, on top of my my daily schedule, now I'm gonna try to grow all this food for my family.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it just sounds exhausting.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I've tried gardens before and I over and over again, and I rarely make it through the whole season because I get so overwhelmed with you know the kids and the work and everything.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it's much easier if you think about it.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm going into it with this group of people who can help me and I can help them.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to grow everything myself, right?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: What if I just pick a couple things this season, like two plants that I'm gonna start with and I'm gonna grow a little extra and I'll swap with them for something, and then they can swap with me and I'll have more, right?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it multiplies that way.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think I love that perspective that you even though we're trying to be self-sufficient, it doesn't mean you're isolated.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I like I like the I like the term mutually interdependent.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh mutually interdependent is what people ask me, why don't you grow all your feed for the chickens or your pigs or whatever, you know?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we've had questions here.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll dive into some of these in the future about you know all this.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and um and the truth is uh you're not good at everything and you don't enjoy everything.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: So so um and it's time consuming.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it's very time consuming.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and you and experimentation learning is expensive.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's expensive emotionally, it's expensive economically.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and and so uh so I'm a big believer in uh in incrementally doing what what you really want to do, um, and and then and then develop relationships with people who do what you don't like to do.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there there are people that the thing that you wake