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- 0:01OK. Good morning.
- 0:02We are on. We're continuing with Gilua
- 0:06shaving her haircuts. OK.
- 0:09We are in Simoncuf PE Olive today.
- 0:13We're continuing with Sif Dalid. I'll just wanted to point out a
- 0:17couple sources real quick. I think it's quite interesting.
- 0:22So we learned in Gilmel that there are two shurim.
- 0:27Then the Ikaradin is you can cut off your PES as long as you can
- 0:31get it as short as you want with a scissor, just not with a razor
- 0:36blade. However, yeesh ousrim yeesh.
- 0:39Allah hushad Ibrahim. So really that's the halakhala
- 0:42Maisa is clearly we do not get a haircut below even Musparian
- 0:52Keintar. So what is that?
- 0:54What's the sheer? How short can it go?
- 0:57So I will just point out right. So we did mention the R2
- 1:01opinions. Someone asked about shaving the
- 1:04head. But the two opinion that there's
- 1:08three opinions mentioned in Nida Pergvav you'd Allah your base.
- 1:14It says mission on your base. There are stesaro to have more
- 1:20of a power of anagayan. It's talking about two hairs.
- 1:25And in general it's again it depends how you interpret the
- 1:29mishnah. How far do you take it?
- 1:31What is bikomakom? But here are the three opinions
- 1:34and how long it needs to be kadela kof Roshan Li ikaran.
- 1:39That has to be long enough that you can take each hair and fold
- 1:42it on itself. OK, And sats will be Ishmael or
- 1:46be Lazar said. It's could be Lee Krotz
- 1:48Batziporin has to be long enough that you can grab it with your
- 1:53nails. It would be a Kiev Omar
- 1:56Khadeishi Nitalot Bizug. And it has to be long enough
- 2:00that you can you hold it with your nails and then you'll be
- 2:04able to still cut it with a scissor anyways as long as you
- 2:08can. So the two extremes is as long
- 2:11as you can grab on to it or as long as you can it's foldable
- 2:16and mish the Gemara in neither Bayes says the halacha is like
- 2:24the most Mahmar opinion. So depending on the halacha you
- 2:28go by the most Mahmoud opinion. So in the Rambam when it gets to
- 2:32it's interesting, it's not brought down here in the but the
- 2:34Rambam writes and he'll close Nizirut Parikhay alaka yud
- 2:40aleph. So there it's talking also about
- 2:43Nazir Shigeliah Sarah and it's the same expression and he like
- 2:53you would expect he applies it to Nazir and presumably that's
- 2:57the same over here. And that is the, that is the
- 3:01generally accepted halacha that here also as well.
- 3:05And he writes De la coof rosha le ikara Enoloka Shenzhen ke Ain
- 3:12Tar. So that's the that would be the
- 3:14sheer. So most say it's, I believe half
- 3:17a centimetre, 5 millimetres, some go for six.
- 3:22And I did ask, just, I asked a local Barber, you can ask Yarav,
- 3:28see, he told me yes. So he generally uses a number 2
- 3:32when it comes to trimming or greater because that's like 6mm
- 3:35as Gershon pointed out. But he says if a person really
- 3:39wants, he will do a number 1 1/2 because that's 4.5.
- 3:45And that's again, there is no halakhala Moshe Musini of 5mm.
- 3:50It's enough that you could bend it over.
- 3:52So using normal rounding. And it doesn't make sense.
- 3:57So that's what he does. Let's let's read inside.
- 4:03OK? Galid Gam Hanikov Khayev.
- 4:08Even if a person's getting his hair cut right, IMCE abidavar
- 4:13shamateh atsma a love lakifo, you have to help him out.
- 4:19That means you have to sit down and tilt your head.
- 4:22You have to put your arm out for a tattoo.
- 4:25As we discussed whatever you have to do a little bit of a
- 4:28misa in order to make it easy for him.
- 4:32If you're asleep or presumably you just sit down, sit up
- 4:36straight and close your eyes and don't move.
- 4:40Presumably that's not called Messiah.
- 4:43It's not clear to me how close the Messiah needs to be.
- 4:47Maybe, maybe not how close your physical act needs to be to the
- 4:52person cutting. I don't have an exact shear how,
- 4:55but it needs to be where you're doing a mice to help him out.
- 4:58Exactly. There's a fine line that's not
- 5:01so clear to me, however, of Alisura Ika.
- 5:05But you know what? It doesn't really matter if
- 5:07you're Mr. Yeah or not. They're still in Isur.
- 5:11And if you look in the base Yosef and the GRA, I love the
- 5:15GRA. You look in Dalid, for example.
- 5:16This is one of those examples. He says I antosos Baba Metsia,
- 5:20and that's it. He says nothing else, but I wish
- 5:23you would have added a couple more words.
- 5:25Sometimes you get so much, but you just have to look up the
- 5:27sources. He just points out, I mean, this
- 5:29is in the base Yosef. There is still an Isura de
- 5:34Araita. Sometimes when you see ICA
- 5:36Isura, sometimes that's an Isura Isa, sometimes it's an Isura
- 5:40banana. You need to know you get to
- 5:41look. You can't, you can't assume.
- 5:43So the here happens to be it's also an Isura Isa.
- 5:47The only difference if Miss you're Miss Sayea or not is
- 5:51Malchus exactly OK about Isura. It's still a Sir to let him do
- 5:58it for you. So you can't go to a non Jewish
- 6:05Barber, sit down and sit still and let him do and ask him to do
- 6:10it for you. That would be still in.
- 6:14OK, let's go on. Hey, Hamakif ET akatan.
- 6:21That's where we are. Yeah.
- 6:22Hamakif ET akatan Hayav. If an adult does a shaves off as
- 6:28this, the Piotr Roche, that's where we're still at.
- 6:33It's haya of a mutual hockey feta goi Taisha.
- 6:38But there's no answer for a goi to get his head shaved and
- 6:41there's no answer for a woman to shave her head right.
- 6:43Some of us do that when they get married.
- 6:45So that's 100% what's there for the man to do the yesh mestapkin
- 6:52with the var. But it's not so clear that
- 6:56you're allowed to and therefore no for the goy for the katta.
- 7:05Wait, which case? Anisha's for sure.
- 7:07OK Anisha is for sure OK. I think he's referring to.
- 7:21Yeah. What's he going to wait?
- 7:26No, no, I think it's going the carton.
- 7:27Maybe the carton. Motorola, Nikov, Minha, Goi and
- 7:31a boy. The carton.
- 7:35Who? The shark takes it out.
- 7:40Everyone takes it out. OK, very good.
- 7:44It's called right. No one agrees.
- 7:47Fine, let's go on. So we left it that right the
- 7:54katan mutar liyo nikov minha goi.
- 7:57And so therefore a katan is permitted to get a haircut by a
- 8:03goi because the katan doesn't have to worry about it.
- 8:08Wait is this what everyone disagrees with or this?
- 8:10Can you have a katan go to a non Jewish haircut?
- 8:16Boy, what does he say? Right, right, right.
- 8:22So exactly the whole the whole line is where everyone just
- 8:25doesn't understand. How could you bring a cut then?
- 8:33Yeah, yeah, let's yeah, right. So everyone does not allow you
- 8:39bringing a cut then. OK, fine.
- 8:42A cut then cannot get a he can't go to a go and have his pair
- 8:46shaved off. Fine, right.
- 8:51Piscaychuva as well, right? Points that out.
- 8:53Fine. So let's go on to Vav.
- 8:56We'll just keep you scratch that.
- 8:58Ramallah, Vav isha Ena, the mitzvahs hakafa.
- 9:06A woman, she has not involved in the mitzvah of pedos Hirosh.
- 9:11She doesn't apply to her and she's allowed to.
- 9:18And wait, let me, we'll keep reading.
- 9:20We'll come back to this. The yeesh omrim shafa
- 9:23bishamutera la kif pehat rosha asura la kif pehat rosha ish the
- 9:28afilu who katan So the first opinion says that she is what
- 9:35she's a right. She can even cut a man's peyote
- 9:40Roche off now. The man can't let, can't, can't
- 9:44let her, and there might even be there.
- 9:48Kyweger points out there could even be a leaf naiver problem of
- 9:52the woman and there's there's no issue of payout to Roche for her
- 9:56to do it, but she is could be over leaf naiver, but it's for
- 10:00the husband. It's asser.
- 10:02But the Yeesh Almrim, right, So but the but the yeesh Almrim is
- 10:09that it's muteret, but she's not allowed to.
- 10:15So the first, the Stam and Aloka is like the Stam opinion that
- 10:18you're she's allowed to as long as there's no leaf naiver issues
- 10:22or that the man himself's not violating.
- 10:24But OK, that's fine. So that's the Ikrahalaka, the
- 10:30Filuhu Katan, right? So the right, so the Bachman
- 10:34opinion that you can't do it to a Katan, fine, That's that's
- 10:40fine. OK, let's go on to Zine.
- 10:44Avadim, khayevim bakafatarosh ka nashim.
- 10:48Now avadim, they convert, right? We're talking about certainly an
- 10:52avidivi. That's general.
- 10:53We never really, when we say avadim, it's keema never
- 10:56referring to an avidivi because they're 100% Jews and regular,
- 11:01just like us. They grew up with us fine.
- 11:05They avadim are avadi kananim who converted, and so now
- 11:09they're hayeven mitzvahs. Now it's true there are some
- 11:12similarities two women but not when it comes to pyatarosh.
- 11:16The halacha is equal and it applies to them right?
- 11:20It has to do with also the Shah. It's really it's the gemara that
- 11:24makes a heckish. It depends if they have as a
- 11:26Khan or not and has nothing to do with being a woman or not.
- 11:30It has to be doing with do they grow beards and all men grow
- 11:33beards in general. OK, let's go on khat tum tum the
- 11:41drogenous Suryam bhakafatarosh. So these are tum tum and an
- 11:47androgynous. What are they?
- 11:48They either have, you don't know what they have.
- 11:51It's all sealed right? Tum tum or androgynous is they
- 11:54apparently have both and you don't really know.
- 11:56We don't really know is it a boy or a girl right, whatever the
- 12:01situation is. So therefore they are Hayev
- 12:05because of either a Suffolk or vaade, whatever it is.
- 12:08But they have the Dun of a Suffolk and because of that they
- 12:13might be a man. And so therefore it's a Suffolk.
- 12:15Darisa le chomra. OK, so they're not allowed to.
- 12:21OK, Tete, let's go to tete SE AAR PE a Mika nagid SE AAR sha
- 12:30alpa dachto peros mitzko shiura peya.
- 12:36The the shiur is front of the peya the the edge of the hair,
- 12:41so it's from where the temple is, right?
- 12:43We said this before the adlamata Mina ozin to below the ear Maqam
- 12:49Shalaki attacked on Yotse Omid parej shop the call Rocha of
- 12:54maqamza l'otiga Bo yad. This whole area from the temple
- 13:00down to the top of the ear to the bottom of the ear, wherever
- 13:03the is, it's attached the TMJ and the entire width of that
- 13:09whole spread is. You can't just, you know, leave
- 13:13a line. I don't know the whole width.
- 13:15All of it is called Piotr Roche or Piotr Roche.
- 13:21And so we're. Not allowed to cut any hairs
- 13:29shorter than we'll say half a centimetre.
- 13:33And so that's the minimum and I don't, I didn't mention it
- 13:38before. I'll just mention the the famous
- 13:40Rambam sheer it's nice to know. I don't think it has any
- 13:44bearing. The halacha the Rambam writes is
- 13:47a masura that as long as you leave 40 hairs, that's OK.
- 13:53You can cut all of it. And 40 hairs is not that much
- 13:56because you'd be surprised how small the hairs are.
- 13:58But you're allowed to remove a fair amount of the Pyotr Roche.
- 14:03As long as you leave 40 hairs, then you're not high.
- 14:06That's interesting, Rama. You're allowed to even.
- 14:11Yeah. No, you're allowed to.
- 14:14Oh, and malchus versus allowed to.
- 14:18I'm not sure. I thought it was allowed to, but
- 14:20maybe it's malchus. OK, I have to see inside again.
- 14:23Harbor Share. Is anywhere, so the low of.
- 14:25The ear and even the lower draw of the memorable.
- 14:30Yeah, but the mandible, not the whole mandible, the TMJ portion
- 14:34of the mandible, which is that's the mandible's the lower jaw and
- 14:40it has what the condyle goes up to where me and the TMJ is
- 14:43really in the middle of the year I believe that's where it is.
- 14:49I don't think you have to go down to the bottom of your ear,
- 14:51the ear low. The bottom of the.
- 14:54Ear, well, adla Mata, you know, Ozin makom Shahlaki, I think he
- 14:58means the going down the ear to where the TMJ is.
- 15:06I do not believe he means the bottom of the ear.
- 15:11Definitely not the lower job. No one says the lower job.
- 15:14This is piata Roche we're talking about.
- 15:16It's only the TMJ area, exactly what you know, which part of the
- 15:21TMJ OK, but it's in the middle of the year is where the TMJ is
- 15:26and that's the port you have to go down to there.
- 15:28You do not have to go down to the bottom of the year.
- 15:34So to the bottom of the OK, could be OK, it's unclear.
- 15:50Well, unclear. Maybe I'll send out or someone
- 15:57else wants to send out a couple pictures.
- 16:00We'll we'll grade the charts, you know, we'll have different
- 16:03opinions of exactly where the year goes, where the TMJ is and
- 16:07how it applies. OK.
- 16:09Or the bottom of the mandible, the you know, that's getting you
- 16:13get the Ramos down there. That's way too.
- 16:16What, as a dentist you haven't noticed?
- 16:18Is there a relationship between the ear?
- 16:22And pain, maybe, but that's about it.
- 16:24I know they're close to each other.
- 16:26Pain radiates. Ringing can be caused from pain.
- 16:29OK, let's go on. Good.
- 16:33Ino kayev al ashkaat Peyote zakhan Ella betar.
- 16:39So you only have you Only of Alba misparayam mutter afilo
- 16:44keen tar. Now when it comes to payout
- 16:48Azakan with the beard those five points, you can go to the.
- 16:57OK yeah, OK. So it has to in order for it to
- 17:02be higher, it has to be Gilua Chieshba Ashkata.
- 17:05The gumarin says it has to be where there's an act of of
- 17:09cutting and there has to be where it's completely removed
- 17:14right down to the root to the to the to the skin or below the
- 17:16skin. OK, so that's when you're hive.
- 17:20But if you're using scissors, so here everyone knows it could be
- 17:24less than 5 millimetres that shear that we mentioned that's
- 17:29me sperankin tar here. You're allowed to do it when
- 17:33that was awesome, right? Depends the first two opinions
- 17:35in the in the shalkhanar here it's it can be really, really
- 17:42short as long as it's done with scissors, right.
- 17:46You have two scissors as close as you can get with a pair of
- 17:50scissors. That's going to be mutter
- 17:52haggah, whom you call makom Nizarin, Kisha Mustafri, the
- 17:57misperaim. She has a hecka fagilua, the
- 18:00heliot, the law, the tartan Penya say I call him play like a
- 18:07Taton Vavi Qatar. So I'm not exact.
- 18:10I don't understand that exactly. But the Rama is saying is when
- 18:14you use your scissors, make sure you're not using one of the
- 18:20scissor blades as a razor blade. Want to make sure that it's the
- 18:24scissors cutting against each other that are cutting the hair
- 18:28and that you're not having the blade of the scissor go along
- 18:32your face and cutting it with the scissor blade.
- 18:37OK, that'll be a problem. I have a Qatar me who near the
- 18:40Takata Garon in Lahouche Bazaar oil, the Eno E Carmacoma Piero.
- 18:45So we all agree that the throat, the neck, the neck is not a
- 18:51problem. Exactly how far you know, off
- 18:54the bone probably starts the neck and you know, there's
- 18:57different opinions. Again, where along the bone, the
- 19:00mandible, the jaw, so that we all stay away from with using a
- 19:05razor blade. But what about the neck?
- 19:07So it's a humra that we don't use.
- 19:10I believe it's the Rama brings it down.
- 19:12The Shokanarak does not mention this humra of using a razor
- 19:16blade on the neck. And I guess I don't know how far
- 19:20down do you take it? But anywhere.
- 19:24OK, so anyway, so that's there's a problem of using a razor
- 19:27blade. We're going to see that again in
- 19:29the next eve. But when using the scissors, he
- 19:32says, don't worry how you use your scissors when you're on
- 19:34your neck. Let's read you the olive
- 19:36continues on the back of the neck is for sure no problem.
- 19:43He's talking about the neck and below the the jaw, the the
- 19:47mandible below your your chin. That where that's where the
- 19:50problem. That's where this Homer of the
- 19:52RAM is. The scissors not considered a
- 19:55tie. No, I'm saying be careful that
- 19:58that it should not act like a tie.
- 20:00Right. But under the neck it's OK.
- 20:02Yeah, it's under the neck. You can use that not not on
- 20:05purpose, not on purpose. He's just saying don't worry
- 20:08about how you cut. You don't have to worry how you
- 20:11angle the your scissors. You don't have to worry
- 20:14yourself. You'd olive peyote has Zakan
- 20:17Hamish. There are 4 edges or corners or
- 20:21spots on the the they're only 5 and those are the only 5 that
- 20:26are really a problem. We just virabu Bahama diyot and
- 20:29as we mentioned before, there are many opinions in the
- 20:32rishonium and acronium what they are the fiqa Yeray shamayim,
- 20:37yeatsayat kulam veloya avirtaar alcohol, zakano klal and
- 20:43therefore Yeray shamayim should not take a blade and use it
- 20:48anywhere on his face, on his chin at all.
- 20:53Hagar Rafilu, Tahat Hagaram and the Rama again here he's he's
- 21:01he's Mahamar even for the neck again, how far down I don't
- 21:05know, but and the back. On said you'd often said, Let me
- 21:09be careful there. OK, now let's get to your bet.
- 21:14And I'm just going to mention something your bet Isha sheshala
- 21:18zakan muteret lashkito vadina bahashtat zakan aish kadina
- 21:23bakafat rosh aish. So whatever we woman, it's all
- 21:27permitted. And a couple details that we
- 21:29mentioned about a woman cutting a guy's hair or whatever it is,
- 21:33it applies the same for the face.
- 21:36OK, I just want to real quick couple points, you guys.
- 21:41There's all kinds of books or articles, but I'll just a couple
- 21:45points from Rabbi Schonberg. So he mentions and I'm sure
- 21:50we're all familiar electric shavers.
- 21:52So he says there is. He divides it into three basic
- 21:57categories. So in other words, is an
- 22:01electric shaver we consider that like a razor blade, like
- 22:05shaving, like a rate with a razor, though a blade or do we
- 22:08consider it like scissors or Yeah.
- 22:13So basically that's it. So the three approaches he has.
- 22:16So he quotes one opinion, says it's a mutter because you look
- 22:21at the the process at how it's being done.
- 22:26It's the it's the rotating blades that are cutting not
- 22:30against your face. Again, if your screen is broken
- 22:34and it's missing, I advise you not to use it.
- 22:37Besides, you might cut yourself and certainly don't press on it
- 22:41because you're not allowed to have the the razor blade go
- 22:45against your skin. But there's a screen over there
- 22:48and I don't care what shaver you're using.
- 22:50Generally speaking, your your blades are not touching your
- 22:54skin. They're going against doesn't
- 22:56matter, presses against the hair.
- 22:58Of the screen. Yeah, but the your razor blade
- 23:03is never right touching your skin.
- 23:04The hair is going through the screen and then that's why you
- 23:09might have to do it for a couple times to make sure the hair gets
- 23:11into the screen and then it cuts it against the screen.
- 23:16So it's a cutting motion of scissors.
- 23:19And they're all shavers are like that.
- 23:21And so therefore Rabbi Yosef Eliohanken, he quotes, I did not
- 23:25look at these sources inside, but he quotes him as saying it's
- 23:27permitted. And there's also a little bit of
- 23:30a separate. Well, he also say there's a
- 23:32separation obviously between the blade and the skin.
- 23:35And Rabbi TI Pesach Franck also says it's mutter fine.
- 23:40The other approach is you look at the outcome.
- 23:43Well, normally if you cut scissors with scissors on your
- 23:47face, you're going to have a little stubble.
- 23:48You're going to see something, can you grab onto it?
- 23:51Maybe, maybe not. OK, but you see it fine.
- 23:55So you look at the outcome. So however, I will cuts closer
- 24:02than scissors, a razor blade cuts closer than scissors and a
- 24:06shave electric shaver to the best of my knowledge.
- 24:10Do your own research. I believe it's somewhere in
- 24:12between. I think people who want a really
- 24:15clean shave can ask your local goy they'll go with the razor
- 24:18blade. It's not the same.
- 24:19That's what I believe. And so therefore, anyways, the
- 24:25Khazanish, the stifler of of Ron Cutler, he quotes as saying that
- 24:31it's it's usser because you look at the outcome and they say it's
- 24:37essentially the same. Again, I don't think it's the
- 24:39same, but the question is what, you know, what side do you fall
- 24:43on? It's obviously a lot closer than
- 24:46it's closer than than a scissors.
- 24:48So to them they consider you go after the outcome of the result
- 24:53and it's close enough. So they say it's they say it's
- 24:56asser And the only way it's a mutter is if you have a little
- 24:59bit of hair that you can that's there.
- 25:01But when you get a good shave with an electric shaver, you
- 25:04don't generally you don't see or feel it is the.
- 25:06Misfire getting tar means that it's not getting tar.
- 25:11It's just getting tar. OK.
- 25:13Depends how you look at it. The processor dash khata fine
- 25:16and then because to a naked eye a razor blade and a shaver can
- 25:22look the same. I mean it's to my naked eye.
- 25:24If you get a good electric shaver it could look the same.
- 25:27Obviously to an expert, might not you?
- 25:29Can cut right now. Thank you. 5 days, OK.
- 25:34Let me just get a couple points and we'll finish the quotes.
- 25:38The implement, he calls it implementation.
- 25:42In other words, what's the raiser of the day?
- 25:45So Ruben Feinstein explains his father's suck of Moshe Feinstein
- 25:51in he had 10 in one in 5769 gillion 10I and sham.
- 25:56I did not look it up and he says it depends.
- 25:59He says most non Jews are not going to use.
- 26:03So most non Jews are going to use a razor when they want a
- 26:07close shave. He asked Gananju what's
- 26:10considered. So it doesn't matter what the
- 26:13process or the outcome is. You go by what a guy calls a
- 26:16razor and therefore or he there. So therefore most non Jews who
- 26:23want to crochet, they're going to use razors and therefore it's
- 26:26permitted. But he says it's only permitted
- 26:28with two caveats. Again, it's a little bit of a
- 26:32contradiction maybe sort of it depends on how you interpret it.
- 26:36But he says it needs to be that the hair can't, the blade itself
- 26:42can't cut on its own. And how easily, I don't know.
- 26:46You can look it up. I don't know, just point it out
- 26:48there. And so therefore the blade needs
- 26:51to be a little bit dull. Obviously if you pull hard
- 26:55enough, everything cuts. But the point is it has to be
- 26:59more dull than a regular, than a regular blade and can't come in
- 27:06contact with the skin. Well, that's obvious.
- 27:07Everyone says that he points out that lift and cut Norelco is not
- 27:13an issue. It's a it's a joke when it comes
- 27:15to halacha. It makes no difference this this
- 27:19article. I mean, I think he's right
- 27:21whatever. But and the star K says it
- 27:25should all be. I think he writes the star K
- 27:27even addresses Norelco and says they should be treated like like
- 27:32other blades. But then he says that they need
- 27:35to be dulled though a little bit.
- 27:36Whatever. Yeah, they're electric shavers.
- 27:40But then he says it needs to be dulled a little bit.
- 27:41So I don't know with Star K Paskins, but he just points out
- 27:46there's also a couple different heck sharing that you can get
- 27:49out there and you have to pay attention.
- 27:51Each heck share is different. There's one heck share.
- 27:53I don't have to give the names, but one heck share might go
- 27:56after the smooth or the one criteria versus the other, the
- 28:02result versus the process. So not every heck share is the
- 28:05same. Just one last thing.
- 28:10I'm sure we all heard the the the Maru and Shara mitzvah,
- 28:14quotes the Arizal who says Senorota Shafa of Kedusha.
- 28:18They come through our our beards.
- 28:21So therefore he says it's very strongly advised never to cut it
- 28:27off completely. So maybe electric shavers is not
- 28:31recommended. It's probably very much not
- 28:33recommended according to the Arizo.
- 28:36Not because of halacha, just an inion.
- 28:38And the Rizal was a machar for himself not to trim his beard at
- 28:43all, anywhere on his face, even with a scissor.
- 28:46But that's again, the Rizal is not alacha, it's just OK.