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- 0:05Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:08Speaker 1: It's Thursday, November sixth, twenty twenty five. Mining bosses want
- 0:15Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians to grow their prosperity by claiming ownership of minds,
- 0:20Speaker 1: petroleum leases, processing facilities and infrastructure. It's no longer enough
- 0:25Speaker 1: to brag about Aboriginal companies winning contracts. They need to
- 0:29Speaker 1: be focusing on ownership, says the Minerals Council of Australia.
- 0:36Speaker 1: The worst he's ever seen. That's the assessment of Wednesday's
- 0:40Speaker 1: Question Time by our national editor Dennis Shanahan. He's been
- 0:44Speaker 1: covering politics for decades and says he's never seen a
- 0:47Speaker 1: federal opposition behave quite like this.
- 0:51Speaker 2: People who have been around Parliament almost as long as
- 0:54Speaker 2: I have are saying the same thing. This is a
- 0:58Speaker 2: diabolical situation.
- 1:00Speaker 1: You can read Dennis's full scathing assessment right now at
- 1:04Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot au. An ultra charismatic, self
- 1:11Speaker 1: proclaimed social democrat has just been elected Mayor of New
- 1:14Speaker 1: York and made himself a seriously formidable enemy in Donald J. Trump.
- 1:19Speaker 1: The ultimate New Yorker Zoran Mamdani is just thirty four
- 1:24Speaker 1: and he's been elected on a sweeping set of promises
- 1:27Speaker 1: to control rent, make childcarefree, and overhaul public transport. Is
- 1:32Speaker 1: he the future of the Democrats or a false dawn?
- 1:36Speaker 1: That's today's episode.
- 1:49Speaker 2: It is an historic rate here at Zoro Mamdani Head Corridors.
- 1:54Speaker 2: New York City has just elected its first Muslim, first
- 1:57Speaker 2: Indian American mayor.
- 1:59Speaker 3: Came from near obscurity sword to the top of the
- 2:04Speaker 3: list in the primary. We have seen a record turn
- 2:07Speaker 3: out in this election here in New York.
- 2:11Speaker 2: There you have it.
- 2:12Speaker 1: The news has reached the crowd. Soar own.
- 2:15Speaker 3: Mom Danny has been named the mayor eleact.
- 2:24Speaker 1: Karen Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent. He's also
- 2:27Speaker 1: an honorary New Yorker, having spent many years living in
- 2:31Speaker 1: the Big Apple Camp. New Yorkers have elected a new
- 2:34Speaker 1: mayor who's causing a lot of concern and a lot
- 2:37Speaker 1: of celebration, depending on your perspective. What's your take on
- 2:40Speaker 1: who zorain Mum Danny is.
- 2:43Speaker 2: He's an extraordinary character, Claire. He has emerged from pretty
- 2:46Speaker 2: much nowhere. He's only been in the New York State
- 2:50Speaker 2: Parliament for about two years. He hasn't got any real
- 2:54Speaker 2: management experience at all. He's a Muslim, He's thirty four
- 2:57Speaker 2: years old and extremely young for a mayor. He has
- 3:00Speaker 2: got a few controversies that swirl around him. For example,
- 3:04Speaker 2: he's described Israel as a genocidal state in its war
- 3:08Speaker 2: in Gaza, which is pretty remarkable given that New York
- 3:12Speaker 2: City has the largest Jewish population of any American city.
- 3:15Speaker 2: He's really come from nowhere to storm and take the
- 3:19Speaker 2: job as mayor of New York City, which is a
- 3:22Speaker 2: huge job in America. It's the biggest, most unwieldy, unmanageable
- 3:26Speaker 2: city you could ever imagine. And here's this guy at
- 3:29Speaker 2: thirty four years about you suddenly find yourself on the throne.
- 3:32Speaker 2: And it's a huge moment for a couple of reasons.
- 3:34Speaker 2: Because he basically is very left wing. He calls himself
- 3:39Speaker 2: a democratic socialist. That's very unusual for anyone in the
- 3:42Speaker 2: American politics to happily call themselves a democratic socialist. He's
- 3:47Speaker 2: got a very left wing agenda. His whole concept when
- 3:51Speaker 2: he signed himself to the voters of New York City
- 3:54Speaker 2: was to try and cut the cost of living in
- 3:56Speaker 2: New York and to appeal to immigrants, taxi dri uber
- 4:00Speaker 2: delivery people, et cetera, et cetera, that whole sort of,
- 4:03Speaker 2: if you like, underclass of New York City who he
- 4:06Speaker 2: felt were not getting a fair go, and so he
- 4:08Speaker 2: tailored all these policies very much towards them. We had
- 4:13Speaker 2: free buses, We've got rental freezers, two hundred thousand new
- 4:17Speaker 2: units being set up. We've got a whole raft of
- 4:20Speaker 2: things that he has done very much for the working man.
- 4:23Speaker 2: And he's going to pay for that by taxing corporates
- 4:26Speaker 2: more highly and also people who earn over a million dollars,
- 4:29Speaker 2: so increased actuation, higher spending, all aimed at the working man.
- 4:33Speaker 2: And this really resonated in New York City.
- 4:38Speaker 1: It's not just those people who have voted for him.
- 4:41Speaker 1: Of course, you can't get fifty percent of the vote
- 4:43Speaker 1: with just the workers. Many of the New Yorkers who
- 4:46Speaker 1: would have voted for mum Danni are people who someone
- 4:49Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, although he's also from New York City,
- 4:52Speaker 1: would describe as elites. You know, they are wealthy, highly
- 4:56Speaker 1: educated people who live in this city that often doesn't
- 4:59Speaker 1: really feel like part of the rest of America. What
- 5:02Speaker 1: do you think is appealing about mum Dani to those
- 5:05Speaker 1: voters who might themselves be very well off.
- 5:10Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean, New York City has
- 5:13Speaker 2: really been hit hard by the inflation rises of recent years.
- 5:17Speaker 2: He is an expensive place to live. There's a lot
- 5:20Speaker 2: of problems in New York City at the moment. There's
- 5:22Speaker 2: a fair bit of crime. Perhaps they see a more
- 5:24Speaker 2: radical approach to this as the way to go. I mean,
- 5:27Speaker 2: there really wasn't many other alternatives for the voters. The
- 5:31Speaker 2: main opponent for Mamdami was Andrew Cuimo. He of course
- 5:36Speaker 2: used to be the governor of New York State until
- 5:39Speaker 2: four years ago he had to resign in disgrace over
- 5:42Speaker 2: sexual harassment allegations. He then went up against Mamdani in
- 5:47Speaker 2: the Democratic primary, lost it comprehensively, and then ran as
- 5:50Speaker 2: a third party candidate. Now look, you know, he's sixty
- 5:53Speaker 2: seven years old, and I think that has just looked
- 5:55Speaker 2: and they just thought, we're just sick of the same
- 5:58Speaker 2: tied old Democrat stuff. He's this new, fresh faced guy.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Let's give him a go. And the thing about Ma'm
- 6:04Speaker 2: Danny Claire is he's got a very almost like a
- 6:07Speaker 2: Baraco Obama ability to campaign.
- 6:13Speaker 3: What's going on, everybody, It'saura Mamdani. It's next playoff season
- 6:16Speaker 3: out here. Let's see what New Yorkers are thinking. Right,
- 6:19Speaker 3: not right, we're outside because New York has deserve a
- 6:23Speaker 3: man that they can see, they can hear, they can
- 6:25Speaker 3: even yell at.
- 6:27Speaker 2: His folks see, he's articulate, his media friendly, He's got
- 6:30Speaker 2: a very savvy social media campaign.
- 6:34Speaker 3: I'm about to say something to you you've never heard
- 6:36Speaker 3: of politician, say please stop sending us money.
- 6:40Speaker 2: And you know this army of young voters just flocked
- 6:43Speaker 2: to him.
- 6:44Speaker 3: I've call him my African people.
- 6:46Speaker 4: First, thank you, my mother, because I know with you
- 6:49Speaker 4: the actually wait, thank you.
- 6:52Speaker 2: He's real superpower is the ability to attract young voters
- 6:57Speaker 2: to his cause.
- 7:01Speaker 1: The appeal of Mamdani probably depends on how old you are.
- 7:05Speaker 1: You know a lot of as you say, young New
- 7:07Speaker 1: Yorkers really like him, whereas perhaps their parents might not.
- 7:10Speaker 1: And that's also the same in Jewish families. Cam surveys
- 7:14Speaker 1: have shown that young Jewish voters are much more likely
- 7:18Speaker 1: to be open to Mandani than their parents are. He's
- 7:21Speaker 1: made some pretty staunch statements about Israel. He's been a
- 7:24Speaker 1: long campaigner against Israel. He at University, led a Palestinian
- 7:30Speaker 1: support group and has long supported the boycott, divestment, sanctions
- 7:34Speaker 1: movement against Israel. He's said that Benjamin Etna who should
- 7:38Speaker 1: be arrested. How do you think Jewish New Yorkers grapple
- 7:43Speaker 1: with this question of whether or not he is anti Semitic.
- 7:47Speaker 2: I think the Jewish community in New York is quite divided.
- 7:50Speaker 2: On the one hand, we have younger, more liberal Jewish
- 7:54Speaker 2: voters who, according to Poles, have been quite supportive of Mandani.
- 7:58Speaker 2: They are also unhappy with the actions of the Israeli
- 8:01Speaker 2: government and they don't see that as a reason not
- 8:06Speaker 2: to vote for him. However, older and more traditional Jewish voters,
- 8:10Speaker 2: I think a lot of them appear to be horrified
- 8:13Speaker 2: by the notion of having a mayor who effectively doesn't
- 8:17Speaker 2: agree with the existence of the state of Israel. And
- 8:20Speaker 2: this has played out in the broader politics. Claire of
- 8:24Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, I mean, you have the left wing
- 8:28Speaker 2: fire Browns if you like, like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and
- 8:33Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders saying Mandami is the best thing that's ever
- 8:37Speaker 2: happened to the Democratic Party. Then you have the more
- 8:39Speaker 2: traditional and more conservative Democrats who are wary of him.
- 8:44Speaker 2: They worry that he might if he succeeds. He's already
- 8:47Speaker 2: succeeded in getting elected, but if he succeeds, especially in
- 8:49Speaker 2: his mandate, that he will drag the Democratic Party further
- 8:53Speaker 2: to the left. And you have some of the party eldest,
- 8:55Speaker 2: most particularly the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who is
- 8:59Speaker 2: a Jewish New Yorker, and he's refused to endorse Man
- 9:02Speaker 2: Dami throughout the entire campaign, which is really quite extraordinary,
- 9:07Speaker 2: and it does show there is reluctance and reticence to
- 9:10Speaker 2: back him strongly from the more conservative traditional Democrats.
- 9:13Speaker 1: Promising a rent freeze was the way he really grabbed
- 9:17Speaker 1: international attention, because, of course, everybody's watched TV shows about
- 9:20Speaker 1: New York and what their apartments are like. Why is
- 9:24Speaker 1: day to day life in New York so hard and
- 9:26Speaker 1: so expensive? Why can't they grapple with the basic issues
- 9:29Speaker 1: of for example, sanitation. They've been fighting about how to
- 9:32Speaker 1: get rid of New York's rats for so centuries.
- 9:35Speaker 2: Now, look, New York is neca system to itself. I mean,
- 9:39Speaker 2: it is so crowded that just naturally, apartment prices are stratispheric,
- 9:44Speaker 2: and you know what happens is you see the poorer
- 9:46Speaker 2: people get more marginalized. I mean, Harlem used to be
- 9:50Speaker 2: a very poor place. Now it's quite upmarket. The gentrification
- 9:53Speaker 2: is moving out because the demand is so much in
- 9:56Speaker 2: the city of Manhattan. But regularly you get governments that
- 10:00Speaker 2: just cannot cope with this incredible mass of people and
- 10:04Speaker 2: the services required. I mean, how often have we seen
- 10:07Speaker 2: huge garbage strikes in New York. It's a very unionized
- 10:10Speaker 2: Democrat place as well, so you know when there are strikes,
- 10:13Speaker 2: they're very effective because they've got very strong unions and
- 10:16Speaker 2: it's a very tough place to manage. And I mean
- 10:18Speaker 2: that really goes in waves, and ma'am Daney has basically
- 10:22Speaker 2: tapped into a wave that people believe he can actually
- 10:25Speaker 2: improve the city from where it is now. And you know,
- 10:28Speaker 2: it's the story he's sold well to these voters, and
- 10:30Speaker 2: so they've given their trust to him.
- 10:38Speaker 1: Coming up Zoran versus Donald, ma'am Danney wouldn't be able
- 10:58Speaker 1: to run for president of the United States because he
- 11:00Speaker 1: was born overseas, So the Democrats still have the task
- 11:05Speaker 1: of finding candidates for presidential elections, who people actually want
- 11:09Speaker 1: to vote for. Do you think his election gives a
- 11:13Speaker 1: hint as to which way the Democrats might lean? Are
- 11:15Speaker 1: they going to lean hard left next time they're looking
- 11:19Speaker 1: at a candidate for the presidency. Given the success of Mamdani, left.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Wing Democrats will be hoping that his election is an
- 11:27Speaker 2: example of where the party should go. The Democrats are
- 11:31Speaker 2: really caught in the civil war right now between the
- 11:33Speaker 2: left wingers who support obviously Mamdani, and the conservatives as
- 11:37Speaker 2: to the direction of the party after Kamala Harris's defeat.
- 11:40Speaker 2: It's a battle royal between them to see which way
- 11:43Speaker 2: they go. So loo wingers will be hoping that this
- 11:46Speaker 2: is a sign that they're going to go left. I
- 11:48Speaker 2: think there'll be a lot of resistance to that. I
- 11:50Speaker 2: think that the lesser to the last election is that
- 11:53Speaker 2: the Democrats need a centrist in the mold of Bill
- 11:56Speaker 2: Clinton who can bring back and win back Middle America.
- 12:00Speaker 2: That's what they lost last time, and I think the
- 12:03Speaker 2: conservative wing of the Democrat Party is very fearful that
- 12:07Speaker 2: ma'am dne the victory and the left wing of the
- 12:09Speaker 2: Democrats could drag the party to a place which it's
- 12:12Speaker 2: really not electable from because it's not really representing Middle America,
- 12:17Speaker 2: and that's what they're concerned about. So, look, this could
- 12:19Speaker 2: be a booby trap for the Democrats. Certainly Donald Trump
- 12:22Speaker 2: thinks this could be a booby trap for the Democrats.
- 12:25Speaker 1: Zorhan Mundami thirty four year old Democratic socialist. He's the prime.
- 12:28Speaker 2: Minist, non socialist, communist are He's far worse than.
- 12:31Speaker 4: A sus Some people have compared him to a left
- 12:34Speaker 4: wing version of you, charismatic breaking the old rules. What
- 12:38Speaker 4: do you think about that?
- 12:39Speaker 2: Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him. Right,
- 12:42Speaker 2: he's already started a tack campaign and he said he's
- 12:46Speaker 2: threatened to not give federal funding or at least withdraw
- 12:49Speaker 2: a lot of federal funding to New York City as
- 12:51Speaker 2: a result of his victory. He's said it's going to
- 12:54Speaker 2: be a social and economic disaster. I mean, this is
- 12:57Speaker 2: Trump in full flight. So it's going to be a
- 12:59Speaker 2: spectacular battle between a young, new but hugely popular New
- 13:04Speaker 2: York mayor and Donald Trump.
- 13:11Speaker 4: So, Donald Trump, since I know you're watching, four words
- 13:18Speaker 4: for you, turn the volume up.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's Chief International correspondent. You can
- 13:38Speaker 1: read Cam's reporting and analysis right now at the Australian
- 13:42Speaker 1: dot com dot au