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Pearl vs Ana, play by play · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame Pearl
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  Speaker 2: versus Anna play by play, Allison, you actually said when
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  Speaker 2: you sent it to me, you didn't say pearl.
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  Speaker 1: You said something different. It was like I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, Yeah, you wrote you wrote, uh something else.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go back when I realized that it
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  Speaker 2: was a misspelling. I had to go back and change
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  Speaker 2: everything again.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's all right, you.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm curious what I actually.
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  Speaker 1: Said you wrote. Let me see, I'm gonna find it.
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  Speaker 1: You sent it to me peach Peach versus Anna.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually originally wrote peach versus Abba.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, wow, Yeah. I don't know where that came from.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fine, somewhere in the depths of my squarely brain.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to go through the anarchist Pearl debate, yes,
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  Speaker 5: as it were, and I use the term debate loosely,
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  Speaker 5: and we're gonna go buy it play by play and
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, that's let's do you want to just jump
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  Speaker 4: into it?
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  Speaker 1: Jump into it?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, my chords. So I have a
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  Speaker 2: few things here. I figured we could go through their
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  Speaker 2: best arguments. And then there's also points in the debate
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  Speaker 2: where Pearl is let's say she's kind of at a
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  Speaker 2: loss for words. Yeah, it would be because she's just
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  Speaker 2: like flabberg acid at the you know, at Anna's at
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  Speaker 2: the audacity, she's very aggressive and you know, yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: it could be that. But okay, so we could do that,
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  Speaker 2: we could do that. Let's see, I'm gonna look for
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  Speaker 2: my time codes here.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna wait till I'm no longer under
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  Speaker 5: attack by Kat.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I did want to point.
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  Speaker 5: Out one thing from the previous video that we did
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  Speaker 5: on this, and I was.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I made it really clear.
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  Speaker 5: But what Anna Knsparian does at the beginning of her
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  Speaker 5: section of the debate is she lists a whole bunch
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  Speaker 5: of ways that feminism has benefited a particular segment of women,
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  Speaker 5: Which is fine if you want to say that feminism
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  Speaker 5: that's the only people that feminism considers important to benefit
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  Speaker 5: or even bring into the equation of benefit, you know.
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  Speaker 5: So the real question is, how can she then claim
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  Speaker 5: that feminism benefits anybody else? And really, what she should
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  Speaker 5: be bringing is evidence that feminism benefits somebody other than well,
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  Speaker 5: not just women, but particular affluent group of women, a
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  Speaker 5: particular group like herself, in particular and affluent group of
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  Speaker 5: women who identify as feminists, you know, And if you
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  Speaker 5: know that really should be the challenge posed to Anna
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  Speaker 5: is not. You know, we know that feminism benefits affulent,
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  Speaker 5: mostly white, urban liberal women females, right, we know we
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  Speaker 5: know that it benefits them. What we're arguing is does
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  Speaker 5: it benefit or in fact harm anyone else? Are we
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  Speaker 5: allowed to actually look at the harms of anyone else?
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  Speaker 5: Are we allowed to actually consider them as important? And
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  Speaker 5: if the feminist framework only considers the harm and benefit
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  Speaker 5: to one very narrow segment of the population, even more
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  Speaker 5: narrow than women generally, if that's the only people it
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  Speaker 5: brings into its calculus of harm and benefit, is that
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  Speaker 5: a good thing? Or could that be concene as myopic
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  Speaker 5: and selfish? I mean, that's really like, that's where it is.
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  Speaker 5: And if Anna consparing, which no doubt she will, comes
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  Speaker 5: back with more evidence that feminism benefits this group of
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  Speaker 5: people that nobody argues use Like no one's saying that
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  Speaker 5: feminism doesn't benefit mostly affulent, mostly white, liberal urban women,
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  Speaker 5: Like nobody's arguing that. Nobody would argue that that they
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  Speaker 5: don't that feminism fails to benefit that, And that's not
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  Speaker 5: the argument. The argument is that it benefits nobody else.
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  Speaker 5: So in order to actually argue that point, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that's the real point that Pearl is trying to
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  Speaker 5: bring up, and I would have to actually demonstrate that
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  Speaker 5: feminism well, I mean, maybe uh actually benefiting another group
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  Speaker 5: of people is a little bit rich, but even considers
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  Speaker 5: another group of people in it's calculus. So uh, and
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  Speaker 5: not just intersectionality, which somehow is just reframing every single
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  Speaker 5: disadvantage that any human ever experienced is actually worse for
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  Speaker 5: white women, alf affulent liberal white women. So I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think that's uh. That was something I probably should
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  Speaker 5: have brought up last time, and I didn't, So I apologize.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I should have done that. Anyway. Did you
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  Speaker 4: figure out what she wanted to do? Brian?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you were just sort of going, so I
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  Speaker 1: was going, all right, So let's see. I think here.
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  Speaker 6: Percent of the time it's shared custody, which I think
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  Speaker 6: is the ideal situation, assuming that neither spouse is abusive.
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  Speaker 1: So are you talking about custody? Did we should we
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  Speaker 1: cover this ord for she believes.
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  Speaker 5: That it should be shared custody.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it isn't, and there's only a.
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  Speaker 2: Few No, No, she thinks that most of the time, like
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  Speaker 2: most of the time it is I think, or forty
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time.
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  Speaker 6: Let me see custody cases. That's wrong, you truly agreed
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  Speaker 6: upon outside of the courtroom, women get full custody forty
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  Speaker 6: percent of the time men do get full custody twenty
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  Speaker 6: percent of the time, and forty percent of the time
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  Speaker 6: it shared custody, which I think is the ideal situation
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  Speaker 6: where neither.
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  Speaker 3: Spouse is abusive.
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  Speaker 5: But then, okay, then shared custody is an aim that
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  Speaker 5: we should be aiming for. Fine, there's only a few
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  Speaker 5: states that enshrine that in law. There's only like I know,
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  Speaker 5: Kentucky does, and there's a few more coming on board,
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  Speaker 5: and they've seen great results from it. So why do
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  Speaker 5: feminist organizations consistently oppose shared parenting initiatives?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, this is a wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 5: That's great, Anna, you believe in shared parenting. Excellent, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: that's nice. What does that have to do with feminism?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that is an interesting point. But
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's basically Pearls laying out why what that
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  Speaker 2: feminism is an obstacle to for these equalities, these these
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  Speaker 2: issues that men are facing, and Anna is saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine, feminism is not to blame for this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or that's not a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Actually something like that.
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  Speaker 2: She's trying to downplay the severity of the issue by
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  Speaker 2: essentially giving these statistics to say, well, usually it works
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  Speaker 2: out just fine or something like that. Right, I did
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  Speaker 2: get a super child right at the top of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'll read it really quick before we get
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  Speaker 2: it further. Richard Bierre gave us five dollars, Thank you, Richard,
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  Speaker 2: and says, from what I've seen so far with this debate,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't like Anna is slash was engaging in gotcha
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  Speaker 2: journalism with how she addresses the points that Pearl was
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  Speaker 2: bringing up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Anna's thing.
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  Speaker 2: Is to sound like she's like more informed and more
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  Speaker 2: cool under pressure and like you know too, cause like
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  Speaker 2: it's not like the the only thing she has to
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  Speaker 2: do is defend the status quo, and so like to
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  Speaker 2: do that, you just have to like cite the statistics
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  Speaker 2: the status quo puts out there, and then you basically
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  Speaker 2: make the other person try to make them like flustered
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  Speaker 2: or frustrated or whatever. And I think that that's like
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  Speaker 2: the only approach he has to do. Pearls the one
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  Speaker 2: that's under the gun, because that's kind of like generally
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  Speaker 2: the position of someone that's pro men's issues is they
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  Speaker 2: have to like basically completely alter the paradigm of the audience.
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  Speaker 2: On seeing this in a different way, and the other
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  Speaker 2: person just has to maintain like the normal, you know,
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  Speaker 2: status quo like I said, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, thank you Richard for that. And Pearl,
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  Speaker 1: excuse before you respond. If you could take your microphone
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  Speaker 1: out and hold it, it would be easier to hear you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, shit, is there something wrong.
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  Speaker 1: The air conditioners turning on and it makes it hard
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  Speaker 1: for me to hear?
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  Speaker 7: Are not covered by that? So a lot of times
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  Speaker 7: it does. We'll go above fifty again.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, this was child support. They were having a discussion
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  Speaker 5: on child support. Yeah, and again, really if the if
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  Speaker 5: the framework, and it honestly should be like and nobody's
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  Speaker 5: going to debate Anakysparian and say, oh, yeah, feminism doesn't
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  Speaker 5: benefit affulent, liberal, affluent, mostly white.
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  Speaker 4: Liberal urban females.
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  Speaker 5: Where nobody's going to argue that you don't that that
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  Speaker 5: class of women is not benefited by feminism, especially if
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  Speaker 5: they are indeed feminists. Nobody's gonna argue that. The argument
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  Speaker 5: is does feminism care about any other group of people
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  Speaker 5: on the planet?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Does does does feminism help any other group of people
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  Speaker 5: on the planet?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 5: And of course you know that that is the argument
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  Speaker 5: and talking about shared custody in this way or child
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  Speaker 5: support in this way is essentially Anna saying, no, we don't.
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  Speaker 5: We don't care about anybody but our very narrow subset
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  Speaker 5: of the population. That's all we care about. And that's
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  Speaker 5: what she keeps repeating over and over again. So I
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  Speaker 5: mean the problem is that she's losing the argument just
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  Speaker 5: by definition, because nobody's going I don't think there's anybody
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  Speaker 5: in this audience who's going to argue that feminism doesn't
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  Speaker 5: benefit wealthy feminist women. Is there anybody?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 5: Elison, like, so what is she actually arguing?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Pearl doesn't bring that up. So that's why, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know, Anna looks good.
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  Speaker 5: So but yeah, I know it does because right from
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  Speaker 5: the bat, the Pearl has accepted a framing that allows
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  Speaker 5: Anna to continue the argument and look good. Wow, actually
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  Speaker 5: proving my point, my overall point, which is that she
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  Speaker 5: is presenting a feminism that doesn't care about anybody but
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  Speaker 5: a certain class of women, maybe women generally and people
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  Speaker 5: of intersectional identities as long as it comes back to women.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So there you go.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's what I just wanted to say, continue, hopefully your.
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  Speaker 7: Bstics and manipulate them any way that you want, conditioning Mill,
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  Speaker 7: there are one point six million men in this country.
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  Speaker 7: Men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after.
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  Speaker 6: A divorce compared to women.
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  Speaker 3: What's the number for women? It's lower?
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  Speaker 6: Really, what is it nine times less?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a ninth. It will be a ninth of that.
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  Speaker 6: M Comparative analysis is real difficult for you, isn't it.
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  Speaker 8: What the Pearl, this is the comparison between men committing
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  Speaker 8: suicide and women conditting suicide.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what's the number for what's the what's the proportion
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  Speaker 5: of women committing suicide? I don't know if Pearl is
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  Speaker 5: like just flummoxed by Anna actually not understanding what a
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  Speaker 5: comparative analysis is to the point where it's presented right
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  Speaker 5: in front of her and she's like, where's the comparative
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  Speaker 5: analysis right under your nose? Anna, Like I just just
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  Speaker 5: said it. I don't know if Pearl is so flummoxed
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  Speaker 5: by that.
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  Speaker 1: You might have missed it. She I think she missed it.
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  Speaker 1: She just said it's lower.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like right there in the statement. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean again, and Anna and Pearl and the audience
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  Speaker 2: all it all. It flew over everybody's head yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Have asserted that men shouldn't get married, that instead they
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  Speaker 6: should shack up. You did say that with Trent Horne.
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  Speaker 6: Word for word, you said, it makes more sense for
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  Speaker 6: them to shack up live with a girlfriend instead of
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  Speaker 6: getting married.
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  Speaker 5: Should name makes more sense? What should is not the
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  Speaker 5: same as makes more sense? Yes, because what should be
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  Speaker 5: happening is family formation. What's actually happening is a weaponized
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  Speaker 5: state that women can use against men.
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  Speaker 4: So what makes.
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  Speaker 5: Sense is a defensive position on the part of men,
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  Speaker 5: like should. Now we shall have a discussion if the
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  Speaker 5: meaning of the word should.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh yeah, No. There's definitely a manipulation going
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  Speaker 1: on there too.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, we already saw this part, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to jump ahead.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Eighteen forty six you're like right here.
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  Speaker 6: From her ex husband so she can raise the kids.
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  Speaker 7: Six sixty percent of kids under five have daycare.
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  Speaker 3: Daycare is an option. Now you wanted to be mad.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have a state on it. You want it
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  Speaker 3: to be men here, You know how much day care calls?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think it's free?
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  Speaker 1: Your answered?
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  Speaker 3: Let her answer a lot of things are expensive. Anna,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's not an answer. Women have eighty five
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  Speaker 3: percent of consumers spending. Women spend money all the time.
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  Speaker 7: You spend money on hair dye, you spend money on botox,
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  Speaker 7: you spend money.
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  Speaker 6: You should think about it on the.
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  Speaker 1: That got bit personal there where? Oh no, shit, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit, a little bit again not an argument,
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  Speaker 2: but Anna's trying to score points.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, well she doesn't even regard Pearl as probably human.
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  Speaker 4: She's what's really gross.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, she's been attacking Pearl's appearance since they started.
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  Speaker 1: Actually mm hmm, Well not.
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  Speaker 4: A surprise, because they all do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They The thing is that these individuals, they don't have
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  Speaker 5: any principles. They just have weapons and they want to
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  Speaker 5: restrict those weapons from anyone else using them. So they
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  Speaker 5: are racist, they're sexist, they are locasts, they are fat phobic,
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  Speaker 5: they're transphobic, they're ablests. Yeah, they're agists, they're everything they
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  Speaker 5: say everybody else is. It's just that they want to
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  Speaker 5: keep those weapons for themselves. And the reason why I
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  Speaker 5: say that is if you think about like police, police
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  Speaker 5: are held to a standard. You know, they make an oath,
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  Speaker 5: they're supposed to police crime. What is a policeman who
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  Speaker 5: just engages in crime when it's convenient for his or
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  Speaker 5: her power. It's not a policeman. Well, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 5: a corrupt cop, but it's not somebody we would consider
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  Speaker 5: the definition of a policeman. They aren't hold upholding a
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  Speaker 5: principle if it doesn't apply for them to themselves. And
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  Speaker 5: of course, yes, again, there are corrupt cops, but we
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  Speaker 5: see them as corrupt.
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  Speaker 1: We don't see them as cops, right, but we are.
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  Speaker 4: The very least.
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  Speaker 5: We see them as corrupt cops, right, somebody who is
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  Speaker 5: not fulfilling the principles that they are held to. But
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  Speaker 5: when leftists, liberals, what do you want to call when
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  Speaker 5: they start attacking the very groups that they say they protect,
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  Speaker 5: we don't say, hey, wait a second. That means you
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  Speaker 5: don't actually care about your principles because you abandon them
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  Speaker 5: as soon as it's inconvenient, or you see that that
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  Speaker 5: applying the opposite will get you further. So these people
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  Speaker 5: don't even have these these This is what I.
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  Speaker 4: Argue a while back.
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  Speaker 5: These people do not have these principles. The leftists don't
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  Speaker 5: have any of these principles. We have those principles, and
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  Speaker 5: the reason why these principles work is because the rest
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  Speaker 5: of society holds them. The left doesn't. They're perfectly happy
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  Speaker 5: to use them as weapons and abandon them whenever it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't serve their desired power or whatever does whatever aim
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  Speaker 5: they have in the moment. So, just like we wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: consider a police a policeman who didn't uphold the principle
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  Speaker 5: of law, we would get the very at least consider
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  Speaker 5: them corrupt, if not not a policeman at all. Why
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  Speaker 5: do we consider these people of even having these principles.
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  Speaker 4: Like they use them because we have them.
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  Speaker 5: There are principles, not theirs, and the principle, the essential
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  Speaker 5: principle of them is that people should be judged by
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  Speaker 5: their actions and their decisions through a meritocracy. That's the
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  Speaker 5: basis of all of this, and they have adopted it
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  Speaker 5: and corrupted it into a weapon. And it's it's it's
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  Speaker 5: sort of annoying. Okay, No, it's deeper than annoying. It
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  Speaker 5: is vexatious.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, fine.
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  Speaker 3: You spend money all of the time. Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be men here it is you're equal pay
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  Speaker 3: for daycare.
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  Speaker 6: Equality means that when you have a child or children,
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  Speaker 6: you're both responsible. So the idea that the woman should
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  Speaker 6: take one hundred percent of the costs on herself without she.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't wait a second, wait, wait a second, if she
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  Speaker 5: has a husband, that's really unlikely and it's none of
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  Speaker 5: your business. Yeah, it's like, really, are you no?
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  Speaker 4: That's not okay?
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  Speaker 5: First of all, it's none of your business, Anna, but
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  Speaker 5: also it's not likely, like if they have pooled finances,
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  Speaker 5: that's probably coming out of both their paychecks, if not
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  Speaker 5: his right, And what you mean is that when a
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  Speaker 5: woman unilaterally decides to have a child without a husband,
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  Speaker 5: that other people should pay for her daycare?
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  Speaker 6: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Why? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: And her ex husband is ridiculous. How is that fair?
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  Speaker 3: Well, how is it fair that he doesn't get fifty
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: to fifty custody? Well?
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: He First of all, why why are you asserting that
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: they don't?
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: It's because they don't get ship.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: So the argument is basically like, if you're up there,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: like on this little stupid glass podium and she starts
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: being a fucking creature, can you tell her that you're
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: being a dip shit?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I assume, I don't know, probably not really like you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: very let's say good form, but I can understand the temptation.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not good form. But she's here throwing extremely
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: low shots.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. That's true. That's true. But you don't have
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to dip to her level either. I mean, I don't know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I know, even.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Though I should be interrogating you, I'll answer your question.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Massive study out of Massachusetts that looked at twenty four
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: thousand divorces. In those twenty five divorces, they found that
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: in only eight percent of cases did men ask for
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: custody because the.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Average So she's trying to say that men don't want
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to raise these kids because only a small percentage ask
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: for custody, and they did a study of twenty four
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: thousand divorces. Okay, now I have I have my theory,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and I think I brought it up. I think it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: because lawyers usually tell them don't bother, or you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they they realize that fighting for custody is pointless because
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: they're not likely to get it and it's going to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: put them financially in.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: The hole paying for lawyers and stuff, so they don't bother.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: But anyway, American can't afford divorce.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, okayday Anna, this is really simple across the United States,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: and that includes states that actually have shared custody for fathers.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Fathers get custody thirty five percent or thirty five percent
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: of parenting time, which is what really matters. In states
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: where there's fifty to fifty or near equal shared custody,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: father's shares around fifty percent, all right, So if fathers
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: didn't want shared custody, it wouldn't matter if it was mandated,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: it would still remain at the thirty three percent because
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: it would be based on men's willingness.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: But it isn't.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: As soon as men are granted shared custody and law,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: they get half because they want half.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: End of argument.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what she would come back
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: with from that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see what she says, four.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Times raise a children by themselves without support from the
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: ex husband.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, why are we now on this freaking topic?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Like again, like this is pathological, and it's pathological because
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: she's demonstrating that the only people that feminism cares about
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: are women. Mm hmm, and nobody's gonna argue that like
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: this is this is what frustrates me about this argument.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: It's like Anisparians is like feminists only care about women,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: and Pearl is like, but what about these men and
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Anichysperians like, well, feminists only care about women. They're they're
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: arguing past each other.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you say?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear you.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: You're complaining about the costs while simultaneously arguing that a
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: woman should not get child support in order to raise
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: the children that the former couple had together.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Are you guys equal or not? You want to yes?
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Equality?
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Oh sorry, I think I'm going to joy this. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: think Pearl's going to get a hit. I can feel
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: it my bones.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: The children and that includes the quality.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: But not at the expense of men. Fifty to fifty custody.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: Fifty fifty, no child support, no alimony, that's equality.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: You don't alimony the woman you stay at home mother
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: and doesn't have a source of income. How else would
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: she take care of the kids following a divorce by
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: getting married, just like the men.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: So you're so you're saying equality.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So you're saying.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: So, you're saying equality.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think about that? Like pearls,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: She's absolutely right. Like, fifty to fifty custody. There you go,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: then it ends all the child support and alimony bullshit.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: If a man doesn't want to take care of his kids,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: he can pay money. I think most men will be
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: fine with that, honestly, all right, if he doesn't want
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: fifty to fifty custody, fifty to fifty time, oh, he
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: can pay for that, or she can pay for it
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: if she doesn't want fifty to fifty custody. Like, I
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: don't see the problem. The problem is that Anna can't
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: conceive of a universe in which anything isn't measured by
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: benefit to women and a very small subset of women, right,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: politically active women who know what women want, right.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Who define what women want? You know? So that's some
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: you know. I think it was good.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I think Pearl did a good job there. So far,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: Ana Kisparian has only really had low ball like hitting
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: below the belt and reiterating that feminism only cares about
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: a certain subset of the human race, which nobody's gonna argue.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: So, I mean Pearl did good.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I think here Quantum Katz said there's a family court
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: lawyer on YouTube who admitted that he'd only wreck men.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: A man go for custody if he has a chance
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of getting custody. So yeah, a lot of fathers don't
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: even try yeah likes unless the mother is abusive to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the child. That usually gives him the best chance of
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: winning custody. But even then he might not win because
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you guys remember Jeff Younger whose wife basically took his
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: son and forced him to transition against his father's will.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And a boy was like one years old or something,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So we're not talking about a kid who can make
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that decision. And he lost a kid in you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And I think that she's just transitioning his boy. This
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: man's yeah son, So great Indoors gives us a five
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: dollars super child. Thank you, Great Indoors, and says regarding
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: part one of the Anna versus Pearl debate, and it
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: took issue with Pearl citing the amount of false accusations
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: in one Midwestern city, eluding that what Pearl was citing
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: was in no way representative for the rest of the US.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And then Anna starts yapping about the romantic basis of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: her marriage with a guy she is portraying as a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: deadbeat at the start of their relationship, a guy who
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: in reality just had ended his professional career as a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: baseball player and was looking for a new career path,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and her choosing a guy who was totally beneath her,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: according to her description, is totally representative for the way.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Women act in the modern dating world. Yes, we did
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: talk about that last time, but thank you for the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: super chat or super child rather great indoors. So all right, yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the moderator of shit in this too.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just kind of like, I don't know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I guess he didn't want to come between a couple
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of women or something, so like Dave Rubin.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Guys, guys, guys. But anyway, let me see twenty let's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: hear some more of this.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: One saying that a woman who doesn't have recent job
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: history is just going to willing nearly enter the job force,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: and a workforce, i should say, usually get hired. Do you, guys,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: do you care about the children or not? Because you're
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: making this about like the oh.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: What are you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry?
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: The best option for the children is to have ample
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: access to their fathers. Best option for everyone. Actually, this
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: is the great irony. Anna Kasparian is arguing for the
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: worst outcome for everyone, men, women, and children, which is
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: this adversarial system which takes generally takes children away from
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: their fathers, the shared parenting system, which a presumption of
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: shared parenting is actually showing being shown to be best
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: for both the man, the woman and the children. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: right now she's arguing and this is why I like
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: hesitate when I say feminism just helps women generally. Right
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: now she's arguing for the position. Anna Casparian is arguing
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: for the position that benefits feminism and divorce lawyers, not
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: women or children or men.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Family courts. Yeah, And well, I don't know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: If family courts benefit.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe they get paid. It like justifies their existence. True,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: if we lived in a country, for example, that had
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: like a I mean, this is like pie in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: sky hypothetical. But if we lived in a country where
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: divorce just you know didn't happen, there.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Would be no family courts.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It just wouldn't unless you had, you know, something really extreme.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But even then it'd be so rare. So yeah, I mean,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I think the existence of and I was just thinking
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: about this, and again, I don't know if this is true,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: just the thought I'm having because I was looking at like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I think that it seems to me and I'd like
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to see data on this. This is the reason why
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I don't trust studies. By the way, because well, one
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of the reasons, because sometimes there are things that no
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: one has even thought to study because it didn't serve
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: some kind of conclusion and like a desired conclusion about
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like whatever the.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Results might be.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: So if I said, I'd like to see if there's
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: like a way to compare the primary reasons why women
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: get abortions and the primary reasons why women get divorces,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: because it seems like they are very similar in terms
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's just like a convenience thing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Like women who get divorces a lot of the time
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it's because well, you know, I feel like it's not
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like because it's an abusive partner. That's a very small percentage.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Most of the time it's because they're like, well, I
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: feel like I did it too soon. Well, I feel
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: like I didn't get to live my best life. Well
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I watched this Julia Roberts movie whatever it is, right,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But it's often like a just a it comes from
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: some kind of like emotional vacuum that they're looking to fill,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and the same thing seems to be the case for abortions.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: The overwhelming majority of abortions for women are abortions of convenience, Like, oh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I just didn't, you know, I didn't want to have
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a kid right now for whatever reason. And it's not
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: because of some you know, like a threat of life
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: to the mother or because it was a product of
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: rape or any anything like that. It's usually just like
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: on a whim. And in both of these cases, we
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: actually put into place an entire legal and legislative apparatus
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to support that that those these kinds of whims, right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And so when you even conceive of an idea that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a woman would have to like seriously consider whether or
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: not she wants to marry a man, because she has
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: to take those vows and it has to be you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: at least taken very seriously and not just thrown out
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: because oh I just didn't.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling it anymore.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And that we also have an apparatus in place to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: give those women all the support in the world if
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: they decide they're just gonna get a divorce. And so
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: we have alimony, we have child support, we have you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: all these other things.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That are already ready to go.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: And the divorce itself where women can just take half
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a man shit, And so like it's just funny because
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: that's like, what what I mean, the content sequences of
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: divorce seem to be like a let's say, a symptom
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: or a consequence of the root problem, which is that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: women are not taking marriage seriously, just like they're not
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: taking pregnancy seriously.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's what it seems like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm wrong about that, but let
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: me know in the comments or the chat if you
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: think I'm off base there.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: So, all right, anyway, let's see.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Child support doesn't want, you know, to take on any
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: of the responsibilities of having children in the first place.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Why is it that you seem to have a problem
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: with men.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Because you don't have a problem with the equivalent women,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: and a Kisparian like, maybe she does have a problem
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: with men like that, But does Anna have a problem
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: with women who don't want to have children, don't want
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: to be forced into having children, don't want to take
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: responsibility for children, even walk away from their children and
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: divorce or abandon them, or you know, completely refuse the
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: obligations of parenthood through all of the means available for
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: women to do so. Like, if you're gonna sit there
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: and say, hey, how can you how can you allow
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: that a man have such control over his life while
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: being the very political movement that demanded women have that
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: much control over their lives. Like, okay, fine, but you're
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: not for equality, Like yeah, we know, we know you
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: only advocate for women in Anna, we know. And I'm
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: curious how Pearl responded to this.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: That men are dying to care about their responsibilities.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: A part of their kids' lives.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: What's the empirical data on that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I don't need data.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: How many people in here have had a family or
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: a or a friend fight for their kid and not
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: be able to get it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: The reason, the reason.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: That this happens, Anna is because lawyers tell them not
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: to fight because it's so expensive and they won't win.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: What Okay, okay, Anna, it's based.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: On this, that's all Anna has. Where's the source? If
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't have a source, then it's then you're lying
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: or something. I'll say, go ahead, Alison, I'm sorry, Yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: there's a source.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Is simple.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: The amount of time fathers have across the US on
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: average thirty five percent.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: The amount of time they.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Have in those states that enshrine shared custody and law
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: fifty All right, if men didn't want it, that wouldn't happen. Okay, yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: it just wouldn't. No, like they would just they would
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: just continue to walk away. If that, if the thing
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: that men were doing was walking away from their kids,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: then giving them access to the kids would change nothing,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: because that's what they want to walk away from. Anna.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: But when they are actually allowed to be in their
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: kids' lives, guess what fifty to fifty I mean, there's
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: nowhere to go with that. There's no oh, show me
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the soors there are men really fighting. My idea of
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: men is that they are horrible people. That's the other
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: thing that I'd point out, Like, Anna argues from the
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: frame that men are awful, That the average man doesn't
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: want to have contact with his kids, right, the average
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: man wants to walk away from his parental responsibilities. That
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: the average man isn't responsible and doesn't care about his children. Okay,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: that's the framework that she's arguing from. So not only
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: is she basically repeatedly saying, oh, feminism only cares about
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: this group, and it willboy's gonna argue with that, Anna,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: nobody's gonna tell you that feminism doesn't that that feminism
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: actually does care about any other group of people than
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: a certain category of white, mostly white, affulent women. Right,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: nobody's gonna be like, oh no, that's not true. Nobody
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: at least on our side will. But then the other
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: thing she's doing is she's arguing from a position of
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: contempt towards men, like ingrained contempt towards men that she
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't even seem to realize she has, like this, Like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: her entire argument is, well, men are awful. And Pearl's like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: but I see men every day fighting for their children,
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: and she repeats with source, I mean I think that
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: because I think men are awful. I'm pretty sure that
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: doesn't happen. Source, Like, I'm sorry, I'm sucking all the
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: air out of the room here, Brian.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Okay, look, Pearl, I am open to be convinced, but
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I need more than anecdotes. I need more than vibes
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: and feelings, because we're talking about something serious here. We're
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: talking about raising children. We're talking about the shared responsibility
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: of raising children. That, of course, in ninety content.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: Of disputed custody goes to women. That's not equal ninety percent.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: That's a totally made up statistic.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Where are you citing that from? All?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Right, let's take a break there because their time actually
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: ran up.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: So this is tough because the audience wants to see
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: wants the source because Anna is perfect, don't they Well,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: they do, like I think people that are watching this,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: because look, Alison, it's not Most people who responded to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this said Pearl got absolutely demolished. And the reason is
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: because they were looking at this in terms of like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: how the frame was presented. And Anna was basically coming
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: in and sort of like acting like the adult in
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the room and becoming like a teacher, like saying I'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: open to learn, like you know, this whole kind of
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: good cop bad cop thing. And Pearl didn't, she like
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: froze up a few times. And that's I mean, it
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't look good. I'm not saying that Pearl is wrong.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I know that Pearl's right, but she doesn't She's not like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: you know, she's not good at this right. This is
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: like a weak spot. And the thing is, when it
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: comes to statistics, it's tough. So what you got to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: do is you you if you don't have the data,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: especially when you have people like this. And this isn't
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: like just an anath thing. This is what Vash does,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Destiny does, what you do is you bring logic instead,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: So you either have statistics or you have logic. You say,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: let's make a logical case for why men might not
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: get custody or even fight for custody, because you're making
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: an argument that is illogical, which is that by default,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the average man has no interest in, you know, being
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: involved with his chill. So if you believe that most
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: men are just pieces of shit, then that that's more.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That you see. That's how you counter it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: But Anna saying, well, the data shows X, and you're
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: she's putting you in the frame of present me data
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that that contradicts this, whereas we can do a comparative analysis,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: as she puts it, if Pearl doesn't have anything on hand,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: then she has to like fall back on using logic,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: which I think is it makes more sense because if
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: you want data for something, you can find it, like if.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It supports the sort of status quo. Right, if you're
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: looking for feminist arguments that are academically researched and peer reviewed,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: guess what, You're gonna find that everywhere because there it's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: all part of the same incestuous you know, cuthulhuish pile.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: But if you're looking for something that is uh not
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: researched because no one thought to do it, then you
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: have to use logic instead. And Pearl did really do that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: That's sort of like where her weakness is at. So anyway, Allison,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: did you want to are you doing something? What's going on?
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just doing a little bit of research while
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: you talk.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm I'm here.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: And you're absolutely right if you can't, if you can't
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: rattle off statistics off the top of your head, like
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: for me, shared Custody would probably I would also, I'd
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: hesitate to say that statistic because I also wouldn't be
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: able to source it off the top of my head.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And she's but if you were coming to a debate,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like I think that's I'd have like a I'd have
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a few if I was going to have a list
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: of specific data points that and and have everything that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: goes with it and come into a debate to debate
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: men's issues and feminism, Yeah, Custody would be right, It
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: would be right. Yeah, definitely would have that one. Right.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: If she had something weird like the rate of you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Know, male sodomized rape in like you know, some weird
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: bush country, I wouldn't have that data handy, but I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: doubt that that would come up, you know, So.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, yes, yes, definitely. If I knew that I
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: was going into a debate like this, I would, I would,
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: I would bone up in my stats because I know
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: that it would eventually go down to the weeds like this.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: But also, Brian's point is really good at logic. Bring
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: it down to logic. I mean, in this one, go
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: on the defense. I'll go on the offensive, because a
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: good offense is always a great defense. Ask Anna why
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: she thinks that men the average man doesn't want to
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: want to have time with his children, like do Let's
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: get it down to first principles.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: What is your attitude towards.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Men that makes you inclined to believe that in the
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: first place? And do you have statistics on that, not
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: not statistics on outcomes, but statistics on what men wanted,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: not just what happened, but what they wanted to have.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: And I'm guessing she doesn't. So she herself is operating
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: off of stereotype and assumptions about what men are that
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: are actually very.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Nasty and contemptuous.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: And she does that because that's how she fits them.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Into her framework.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: And yeah, so go for the logical argument, go for
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: the well, why wouldn't men be fighting wanting to fight
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: for custody? What makes you think that the average man
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to have access to his children? Where is
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: that coming from? Where is your stats on that? Like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: I'm a doubt that Anna Kasparian has any stats on
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: men not wanting custody, or men walking away from custody,
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: or men refusing custody.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: And that isn't captured by the outcomes.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: It's captured by asking them. And then you can also
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: buttress it with the shared custody. What we found with
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: shared custody initiatives, when her custody is in law, fifty
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: to fifty is the more likely outcome. When it isn't,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: it's thirty five percent. Okay, that disparity is is biased
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: in the courts, not men's willingness, because if it was
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: men's willingness to take care of their kids, that wouldn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: have budged.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: All right, let's keep going.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: All right, those opening interrogations are open. The second moment here, guys,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: when I grab the silp of water. All right, I'm
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: gonna jump ahead. That was the end of the opening interrogation.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Why they don't bring men's rights activists on here onto
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: these things. Yeah, like genuine men's rights activists. I don't
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: think Karen would travel to that, but.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, but Karen is. She's even pretty agreeable,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to be honest. So all right, I think let's see.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Who are you comparing her to?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Well, these days she is, she's kind of like she's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: kind of chilled out.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Mm hm all right, And.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: See, this is the problem with feminists. You want all
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: these freedoms, but you won't actually be equal.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: I do want equality.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: No, if you wanted to be equal, you would fight
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: for fifty to fifty child support, no alimony.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: No alimony.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: So I'm joking.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Woman decided to forgo what.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: That's really unfortunate, Like she has a nervous issue around
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: this debate.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well even Anna actually, like I don't know
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: if you heard, but she did say she misspoke a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: couple of times.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: So even Anna's a bit nervous.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But Anna's more experienced at speaking at like these big things.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think Pearl is as much.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, no, fair enough, Yeah, working decided to
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: stay home to raise the children and the marriage.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Doesn't decided that she's got decided.
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: That whatsoever, she doesn't deserve any am.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that was you. It's pearl. Hold on that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: Number one, that's not even a common women are not
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: staying home with the kids.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And number two, you have daycare.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: A lot of women do these days.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: You have daycare.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: The traditional women who want to stay home, they want
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: to be traditional wives, and you trash them all the time,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: which I don't understand. It seems like women can't do anything.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: They are no, they can't. They can't live with it,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: they can't get with it. They can't do anything right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Women can't do anything right. That is a possibility in
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: the universe.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Anna, let's sit with it for a second.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Let's not die. Let's not freaking melt like the wicked
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Witch of the East in oz just because of the
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: possibility that it might be true that women can't do it,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: can't do anything anything at all, nothing, that that is
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: an entirely like it is a corporeal possibility.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Let's entertain it. I can entertain it for a very
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: long period of time. But anyway, because that's that's that's
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: what's really now. She's getting into not only is she
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: arguing from a position that men are contemptible and that uh,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: feminists only benefit a certain group of women, which she
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: outlined at the beginning, But she's now adding, well, this
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: does this offends me emotionally, so stop it like this,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I feel offended as a woman by your conclusion. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: you should not you should know you should be quiet.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Now It's like, well, and again, Pearl's right. Shared custody
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: solves this entire thing the end. There's nowhere else to
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: go with it. Equality, ironically would solve this, but you
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: don't want it because even though it's good for women too, it's.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: It's not good for feminism.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, okay, all right.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Did you want to ask what No, I guess you
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: if you wanted to add you would something say something.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: Okay, I understand that you can personally attack me.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: That's I'm not personally attacking you. These are things that
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: you have said on the record multiple times.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So she totally has attacked Parole like multiple times already.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That's just delusional. Will be like, I'm not doing that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not hitting I'm not making fun of like what
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you look like, your height, your build. You know the
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: fact that you're not using botox and you probably should, which,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: by the way, is projection.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I think that means that Anna's using botox.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: But okay, all right, So but if you cared about equality,
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: you would care about false accusations.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: You I do care about false accusation.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: You don't know me.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: You don't know what I care about.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, men do not have.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: Men do not have the right to be enlisted in
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: selective service. You know, we have one hundred and twenty
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: five k men who are drafted and buried overseas. Think
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: about that over a second.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: She's reading off a script, which also doesn't look good either,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: just like another thing, like it would be better to
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: have bullet points prepared and maybe some memorization of that
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: so you don't have to say, you know, read it,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: because I think when you're reading off a script, like
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: people kind of zone out. So like people are probably
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: not even listening now because it's it's like a child
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that's asked to read for the class.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But what I would say is, men don't have.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: She framed it weird when she talked about the draft.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard it, but she said
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: it incorrectly, and I think that that that's bad.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: But here listen, Yeah I did hear it. Yeah, they
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: don't have the right to be enlisted in so of
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a selective service, which is weird. See what you should
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: do is you say men don't actually have bodily autonomy.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: That's what you say.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: They don't have bodily autonomy from birth because of circumcision
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and also because they can be drafted to fight and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: die in wars, which is something that women can vote for,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: and women like actually make up the majority of voters
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and they're more likely to go out and vote, so
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: they actually have an effect on men's fate. And if
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: you don't like the military industrial complex, well women are
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: voting for that. So what's the you know, like, this
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: is how I would frame it. But and that's using logic.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: You can you don't have to give the data the like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: you don't need sources for that because it's observable, it's reality.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, yes, the draft only applies to men, and
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: it literally creates two classes of people.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Women get the vote for free, men have to sign up.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not literal either.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Men had to serve in wartime before they were even
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: considered for the vote. It was a precondition, like and
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: it's still a condition. It's a condition for men just existing.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: In our society.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Honestly, they first whatever reason, societies believe they are absolutely
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: entitled to men's bodies and just throwing them in the
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: face of any kind of existential threat. I find that
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: astounding personally. But yes, it's it hasn't changed, and the
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: necessary groundwork for it to change hasn't happened because feminism
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: really impedes it. We have, yeah, well, poltical, but also
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: like the social we'd have to respect men's autonomy, bodily autonomy,
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: and them as people in order to even question the
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: whole issue of the draft on a fundamental level, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: feminism impedes that. Feminism is in fact the best cover
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: for male disposability in the modern era.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, you know we have.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: One hundred and twenty five k men who were drafted
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: and buried overseas. Think about that over a second. You
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: talk about the oppressions of the past, but how many
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: men died in World War One and World War Two
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: and had no choice?
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and about oppression.
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: Men do not have the right to face their accuser
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: in court when they have a false allegation and for
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: personal protection orders that strips constitutional rights away.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: From the man.
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: Women go before a judge and say they don't feel safe,
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: and more than likely a ppoor order will be issued.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: The man was not in court, had no say, has
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: no defense, and does not get to face his accuser.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: That is done en mass and many servicemen and first
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: responders lose their careers over this because it strips a
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: man's Second Amendment rights away based on no evidence. Raise
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: their children. Divorce is no fault, but when it comes
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: to child custody, it's always the man's fault. He loses
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: his children to the system ninety six hours a month
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: the father does not wake. Men have longer prison sentences
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: women get a third of the time for the same crime.
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: Where are the feminists fighting for equality on that issue?
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Good There has been.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Rampant discrimination against better qualified men in hiring across multiple industries.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Men pay more child support, and child support orders are
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: not enforced at the same rates between men and women.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Women are more like fascinating and are.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: Prosecuted for non payment at lower rates. Men cannot opt
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: out of parenthood. Men have very few domestic violence shelters
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: and are not He's.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Like, well, what are you talking about?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: But when men cannot optate out of parenthood, opt out
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: of parenthood means that if a woman gets pregnant, he can.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: She has complete control over her fertility and over whether
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: or not the baby lives or dies and what happens
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the man gets no, say, I mean, that's just obvious,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Like we know that already, right, The only feminists will argue, well,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: everything up until the point where he put his peep
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: in her was his choice, and after that, great, her choice. Right,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: that's not that that's that doesn't make sense. And also
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: there's sperm jacking and all this other.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Stuff and right right.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And rape yeah, and women rape men too, Yes, that
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: also happens.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Even just having the right to set as a as
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: a male who's been a rape victim not have to
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: take responsibility for the conceived rape baby would be an advantage,
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: like what would be an improvement over the situation today?
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Men absolutely do not have any defense about against the
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: expectation of their responsibilities as fathers, as citizens, as what anything,
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: as as husbands. There's no there is no evasion, not
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: even the fact that they didn't consent to the thing
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: like this the situation where they're they're protective orders and
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: they don't even get to efface their accusers. That the
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: entire body there is an entire body of law that
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: is specifically around treating women better than men or having
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: giving them more legal powers than men when it comes
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: to their relationships with men or their interactions with men,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: and it's it is crazy.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: But here is the really big thing about this.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if Pearl puts this out, points
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: this out, mm hmm. She's right, she's reading a list
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: of things that affect men, and Anna's is choked as
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: shortening to herself because it's ridiculous. Right, If feminism isn't
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: just a movement that benefits one small group of women,
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: why are these things.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: So absurd to her? Why is she laughing at them?
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: She's saying that she she is here to say that
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: feminism is something I don't I don't remember the be
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: it resolved.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: I guess they didn't have.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Resolves at the beginning. But it's essentially she's defending it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: She's defending feminism. But what is she defending. She's saying, well,
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: feminism benefits these people. Well that's not the problem. The
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: problem is that feminism doesn't benefit a whole, huge group
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: of people that are part of the society that feminism
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: chooses or demands power over. Right, that's the problem. So
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: the fact that she doesn't even have any awareness of
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: these issues, she apparently has no concern for them, she's
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: laughing at them, is all the proof you need to
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: know that feminism is illegitimate. Because there can't be a
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: political movement that has completely absolved all responsibility for the
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: harms it does, and the harm's done to half.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: The human race.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: That is an the illegitimate movement. Sorry sor right, I
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: shall meditate now in Colma.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: All right, this is where it's gonna get used here,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Taken seriously when they're domestic violence victims.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: I agree white men.
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: In particular are discriminated against when it comes to hiring
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: an educational attainment. The dluthe model is a model that
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: law enforcement, courts, and counselors use automatically that assumes men
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: are the aggressor. The tender years doctrine is a guideline
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: and divorce used to justify removing the father from the child's.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: She's gonna say that feminism helps with all of them.
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: That exists is institutional sexism that discriminates against.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Men in favor of women.
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: Furthermore, US courts do not require receipts to show how
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: that money is spent by the custodial parent unless there's
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: overwhelming evidence of starvation, malnutrition, or severe child abuse.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: There are NUSS reports in customs.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: So she's saying that like, there's no there's no, there's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: no so what women get this child support money and
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: there's no like way of trace saying if the woman
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: who's getting child support is spending it on the child.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: So like a lot of times we don't know what.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: The data is because there is there are no studies
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that are being done to figure this out. But we
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: do know that there are instances where a you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: a mother is spending the child support money on herself
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: and the child's being like mistreated as malnutrition or whatever
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: because the mom just sees it as like another basically
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: another avenue of money and she's just spending out on
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: herself instead of the child. And a lot of men
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: who give child support, they want the money they're giving
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: for child support at least to go to the child,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: right for there's whatever clothes school, supplies, you know, doctor's visits,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: whatever it needs to be. So she's saying that that
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: we don't even have a mechanism to like essentially figure
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: out whether or not this is correct, and Anna's interrupting
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: to try to make an argument.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: So here we go.
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: You want the government to check receipts, like, let's let
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: respond to some of that. Let's understand something. You want
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: government to be so big that you literally have the
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: government looking at receipts to see.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: What Asparian suddenly becomes an an cap suddenly cares about
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: the sides of the government. Guys, out of the blue,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: your full and cap, black and yellow.
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: All right, it's because it's because they're talking about men.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: I swear to God, there would be no liberals, there
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: would be no left there, there would be no communists,
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: there would be no socialists in society. If men's issues
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: were blast like we're as prevalent as feminism, there would
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: be none that they would just stop existing because they
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: they as soon as you start saying, well, we better
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: take care of men too, they're like, whah, bootstraps, do.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: You want the government to get that big?
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, spending the money that's insane.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: I want no child support, no alimony, fifty fifty.
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because you're crazy and you don't live in reality.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Okay, Uh sorry, Manna, Kentucky is reality, and they're finding
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: that reality is very good for children, fathers, even mothers,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: but not particularly good for feminists and divorce lawyers.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right, Less than.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: You, Anna, I say, if you want to vote, be
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: in selective service beyond the front lines, just like the
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: men are.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: You think gives birth to and raises those soldiers.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: You're not really giving birth like I have to do
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: with anything.
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: Because you assert that women shouldn't be allowed to vote
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: because they're not all in mandatory military service, I.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Say, be equal.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: You want to vote, do what the men do.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I want to get in on here. Also,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: we shouldn't leave it too long. But can we even
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: if we can't solve the issue of conscription of women,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: can we at least allow it to inform our political understanding? Like,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: can we can we allow the fact that this society
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: had to grind up several generations of men, not just
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: in war. War is just the extreme version of this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: of this resource acquisition.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: The other aspects of it are infrastructure projects with all
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: which also grind up men.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Can we can we.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Just acknowledge that this is a thing and stop pretending
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: that the past was oppressive to women, Like, even if
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: we can't solve it, can we can we just allow
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: it to inform.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Our understanding of reality? Right?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: You see what I'm.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Saying, Brian. You know, even if we can't conscript women,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: can we allow the draft and all of the other
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: ways that society has ground up men's bodies for its projects.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Can we allow allow that to.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Inform our understanding of the gender's roles throughout history. Like,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: I am good with that as a starting point, and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: then we can talk about solutions. Because this is what's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: infuriating is people bring this up and they say, well,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: do you have a solution for that? That's irrelevant. Okay,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: we need to bring this up so it informs our
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: understanding of history and that we stop pursuing policies or
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: justifying policies based on a false understanding of history. Whether
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: or not we can solve this conundrum if we do
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: conscription of women, we do conscription of women to healthcare
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: or any other demanding kind of job, but we don't
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: conscript them to the front lines. Whatever we do, whatever
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: the solution is. That's not the same argument as saying
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: this needs to inform our attitudes about the past and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: ourselves from the present.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: A recognition of this and what happens is people like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Anna say, if you don't can't solve it, you can't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: recognize it. That's bullshit. It's a bullshit framing. I can't
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: say the word bullshit. I couldn't say the world bullshit
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: up there. I'd be very tempted. I'd be very tempted.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, included in combat, yes, okay, do what
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: the man do. Fair, do what the men do? Yeah, fair, agreed?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: Next next, nothing, Okay.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, allow it to Okay, this is the pearl.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: This is where you tell her.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is where you tell Anna. Okay.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: If you believe that, then make it inform your understanding
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: of history, if you understand that this is a sacrifice
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: that has been uniquely male and it's not like again.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: War is the extreme version of it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Infrastructure projects, stress, drew to overwork industry, all of this stuff.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Maintain infrastructure, okay, create mining, creating all of this stuff
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: is the society grinding up men's bodies to get the
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: material it needs to run. If you understand that all
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: of this is a sacrifice and.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: War just exists as part of that.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: If you understand that, then let it inform your understanding
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: of history and the relationship between men and women now
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: and in the past. Okay, that's how you integrate it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: That's how you truly recognize it. And I would simply say, so, Anna,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: are you gonna let that inform your understanding of history,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: the fact that this was a sacrifice expected of men
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: and only men. And if you don't, then you don't
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: have a right to say that this is resolved at all,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: or that you actually believe it, that you actually believe
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: that this should be equal.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Well, she's just yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I mean I think she's just sort of like a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: like before she said that, oh, yeah, women, then women
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: should be drafted. Now I don't think that's the answer,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: but she just said that to make.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: You got a challenger when she's it's like, no, Anna,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: you can't just say that. You have to recognize it
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: was a sacrifice that men made, Okay, and that has
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: to inform your worldview. Otherwise you really don't understand the point. Yeah,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: you can't just let her sit with oh well, I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: just agreed that women should be drafted and then have
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: absolutely no political will to do anything about it at all, right,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: because she knows it's not really in.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: The cards and exactly so it's easy to agree to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: because it's.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: Like the real the real test where the skin meets
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: the rubber meets the road for women is if they let.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Their understanding of men and history.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Update based on recognition of this sacrifice, and that's that's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: the first step. Then we can start talking about solutions.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: But she can't.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: I don't. I wouldn't let her sit and say, oh, well,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: I guess that's okay, I guess you win that one
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: or something.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: I'd say, no, you don't.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: You don't actually understand it unless you let it inform
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: your worldview.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you are a traditional so she's saying,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: what what is your idea of an ideal woman?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So that's what she's asking.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: Pearl, conservative woman who's married, staying at home, raising kids,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: You trash them.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a traditional woman.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: Cannot they cannot be traditional in twenty twenty five because
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: women will always have the leverage.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: What does that mean? What does what does it mean
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: that women will always have the leverage.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: Women have child support to fall back on, women have alimony,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: So autumn.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: Ten percent of divorces and with alimony settlements, it doesn't matter.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: See again, if I was Pearl, I wouldn't have just
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: leaned on those statistics.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I would have just said.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: The entire government incentivizes women to not be traditional, like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: in every way. They can abort their children, they can
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: divorce the man, take out his stuff, they can ask for.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: The state to support them.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: There are safety nets on top of safety nets to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: like help them out and essentially incentivizing women to become
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: single mother welfare queens, and a lot of them do it.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: And so like those women, they can claim that they're
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: traditional if they want to, But the state does not
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: incentivize that. It incentivizes like their behavior, and they eat
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it up and men can't do anything about it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: They have all they have to do.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: All they can do is suck it up and pay
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: because that's what they're doing right. Taxes are redirected from
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: men to women. Men are the majority of the people
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: who pay into the taxes, and women are the majority
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: benefactors like in general.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: Right, So anyway, what was the framing here was Pearl.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Said, I mean, Anna asked Pearl what is the ideal woman?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: And then Pearl said and then and then it goes
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: on to expand on it, saying like, you know, a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: traditional conservative woman, and then Pearl says, there's no such thing.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: As okay, well, okay, Anna.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: If I were asked that what is the ideal woman,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: the ideal woman would be a woman who actually gives
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: cares about men as fellow citizens.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: M h yeah, but then she'll say she loves men
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: because she did try to make that claim.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Well, then you have caring about men as fellow citizensms citizens.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: Isn't caring about the men that you own. It's caring
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: about men's rights, citizens, their issues, their concerns, their universal
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: issues and concerns in particular in terms of their rights. Right.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: That's you can't just be like.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, well, you know, I don't know my my black
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: butler is a great guy, so you know, I appreciate
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: black people.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Benson Pension the only I can think of fresh Prince.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: It's not the judge, for that isn't what a woman
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: does with a man who's currently benefiting her. It's what
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: she does for men in the abstract as her fellow citizens. Okay,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: so that's uh, that's what I would say to her.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: It's not just about the men who are currently benefiting
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: you in whatever capacity or you or you have a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: personal relationship with. It's about men as your fellow citizens,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: which is a more abstract, abstract category, and it requires
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: thinking systemically, which I know a lot of women struggle with.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: All Right, all right, you just ignore.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: The stats the women. They go from men to women,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: billions of dollars.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: Women are paying alimony, billions of dollars.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: It's transferred from men to women through.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: Based on where you're getting that information from, you're just
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: making it up.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Look, it's the taxes. Mm hmm, it's taxes.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Eat dumbass, Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: It's the taxes. Come on the.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: Item you didn't want to submit.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Where are your sources?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: You didn't want to submit them?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: That the Census Bureau, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: That's pretty general.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: No, you didn't.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: Pull it up, Pearl. Oh god, I understand. Okay, Pearl's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: gonna trash women no matter what. That's fine.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: I've got nothing that trash women.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: Like you. Trash women once.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: Up to this point, the only person up there is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: trashed women or a woman?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Is you Anna?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: You trashed Pearl?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: This is infuriating. Now she's just doing the stupid Hocome dance.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna do the little dance that my partner, my
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: debate partner, is a misogynist, and hopefully nobody will notice
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: that Pearl is not actually trashed women at all. This
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: is infuriating, Like, oh my god, okay, okay, is your
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: discouraging people from entering marriages?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I don't tell man what to do.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: You advise men.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: To avoid marriage, sell me on marriage? What do men
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: get out of marriage?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: That's sad. It's sad that people think that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: It really it's sad that people think that. It's sad
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: that people think that. I'm not going to address why
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: they think that or give a plausible argument why they
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: shouldn't think that. I'm just gonna say it's sad. I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: don't give a.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Crap that you're sad. Anna. Nobody should care answer the question, does.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: She Let's see, teammate, you get to build a life together,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: and it's beautiful.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: And that person you build a life together can tear
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: it apart.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: At any point.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Well, no, not. She can do it to her husband,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: but the other way doesn't really happen.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: I feel like misery loves company in this.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, all right, Anna, Oh good lord, good lord?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: What the fuck is wrong with this woman?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: You know what you get out of marriage if you
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: haven't experienced marriage in the first place. I'm not wanting
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: to be married. I really hope.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: First of all, Pearl doesn't have to be married. She
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to have I don't know. She doesn't have
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: to have her life arranged in potic any particular order.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: She could even be a single mother and she could
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: still advocate for men's issues, understanding them as an important
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: party of the important part of the body politic. Okay,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: And that you can't have a functional society with half
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: of the people effectively silenced. It doesn't matter her social arrangements.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: What matters is what she's advocating for. Right now.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: I hate that fucking argument.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, you don't have the right living arrangements to advocate
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: for this position. No, it's just right, it's the right
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: thing to do. Okay, I can I say that, like,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: it's just the right.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Thing to do.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: And even if you're married, even if you're a traditional
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: woman married and you've never had another partner in your
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: life and you don't act well.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: You don't necessarily have to advocate. You might just be
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: living your life.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: But if you actively harm men and their rights, then
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: you are a bad person. Your lifestyle is irrelevant, it's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: just aesthetics.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, And so that argument is annoying.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: But then the other argument, Oh, it's sad, like who
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: cares about your emotions?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: But there was a third argument in there. What was it?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: I think I missed it. It wasn't an argument. It
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: was just female noise making.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Something something, we're building a life together. It was all
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: just romantic language. Yeah, yeah, what it was just romantic language.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: We're building a life together. Okay, But you get till.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Somebody just gets bored and decides that they The problem
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: is not like the potential good that could come out
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: of a marriage. The problem is that there are a
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: number of obstacles and there will be challenges, and women
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: are not incentivized to endure. They're incentivized to leave, to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: essentially only look at their situation and also to view
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: this whole thing is pretty transactional, like looking at Oh
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: what am I getting out of this? Is this like
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: the same thing that I would be. That's not what
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: love is, you know, like love is a sacrifice. So
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: like men recognize this, which is why, like Zoomer, men
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: what they want, like at the top of their list
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: is like I want children and a family and a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: wife and a job that I like, so all of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: these things that already exist to serve each other. That's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: my goal. And I think that those men understand that
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: that's not just like a gift on its own. It's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: something that you work to maintain. You raise your children,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: you support your family, you buy things like a house
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and whatnot with your money that you get from your job.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: If you have to do a job, you might as
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: well like the job. I mean that all.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Seems to make a lot of sense. But women, that's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: not their highest priority. It's like, you know, they just
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: want to have stuff, Like I think it's just like stuff.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: And that means that they see everything in a material
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: way and they don't really see that what they do
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: is something that could affect other people. It's like they're
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: divorced from the consequence of their actions. Somehow, does that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: make sense. Yes, And again I'm I'm saying that this
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: is what is incentivized.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I think that if it's discouraged, women won't do that.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: But that's not what we do. We reward them for
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: this behavior, right, so they act like it because we
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: allow it anyway we would you want.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: To build something?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: Would you want to build something with a partner who
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: could unilaterally just walk out of it all of their
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: commitments at the drop of a hat and you have
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: to continue to provide your half of the bargain. That's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: a terrible like nobody would say that you should go
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: into business on those terms. So it's not building something,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: it's building for something together, it's building something for her.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, let's uh okay, continue life.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: Were married, wh it's not about that. But you trash
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: it without really understanding what the benefits are.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: Ye Anna, She's not like it's cheaper to keep her Okay, Okay,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna deal with this. The you trash
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: it without even knowing the what the benefits are. You
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: mean the benefits to her as a woman, right, because
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: that's not what she's talking about. Because it's like Anna's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: basically ignoring the fact that the benefits for a relationship
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: for a woman are categorically different and far more insured
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: in law than the benefits, whatever they may.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Be, for a man.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: So Pearl can't know what the benefits are for a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: man because she is not a man. But she can
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: recognize the legal drawbacks and meat hook realities of men
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: getting into relationships because presumably she has a brain and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: the ability to walk through consequences and empathize with her
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: fellow male citizen. And so that like framing it in
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: that way that this is just Pearls one woman crusade
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: against marriage is ridiculous. You see what she's doing once again,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: attacking Pearl's right to say something because she can't address
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: the thing that she's saying. This is very This is
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: where thought goes to die. This is where argument goes
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: to just breathe its.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: Last and fall over.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Oh cany keep going, let me see, uh, just checking
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: and see if there's any more super chats.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, are we gonna go through all of her Pearl?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: Well, oh, did Pearl do something funny?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: Divorce is expensive and by the way, on purpose to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: discourage people from getting divorced in the first place.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: No it's not expensive on purpose.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: Because divorce isn't expensive on purpose.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: It's expensive.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: It is not expensive to prevent people from getting a divorce,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: you weird person. It's because it's everybody's incentive, incentivized to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: treat it combatively and then pay a lot to their
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: lawyers because lawyers like that, and divorce lawyers particularly like that,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: like making money off of misery.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see, m h, this is the the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: most of the meat is in this section. That's why
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I'm playing through this.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: So she said, why do they have sayings like happy,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: happy wife, happy life?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: And she said, because it's true. This is what Anna said.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: So she's just like leaning all the way into this
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: blue pill, thinking, Okay.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: Happy husband, happy life.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to come.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: They don't say that.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but nobody says that.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: But that's not a phrase.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: Do you have any other like catchphrase or slogan you
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: want to throw at me?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: What do men get out of marriage?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go back to the question that pounds.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: In the first five years.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: Men get pretty fat too. I don't know if you've
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: done a comparative analysis on that. They actually end up
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: gaining more weight than their wives do and who cares?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: Oh this is the this is now okay, so Anna,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: So I'm led to believe that I'm supposed to consider
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: you the paragon of virtue, like the paragon of policing lookism?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: When what what?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: Was one of the first things out of your mouth?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: Bring regards to Pearl and.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Continues to.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: Like, you don't you don't respect a policeman who commits crime?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: Why should we respect respect?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: What a uh?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: A leftist who uses every freaking ism that they say
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: they call out? Right? She that's what she's doing. She's
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: just being a massive hypocrite. But I'm saying what everybody
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: else knows.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, let me see.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: Like cat fighting, what you mean juicy? Isn't like their
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: cat fighting?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Who said? What did I say something?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: You said that this part was juicy?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well there was more. It was, yeah, more
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: cat fighting.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: But like, I guess, maybe, all right, there is another
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: mode we could analyze this on.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, No, I think there was. I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: thought there was something where Pearl said, why do you
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: why do we keep pivoting towards women?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: And then how can men and women be equal?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: Especially men and women be equal? When one is expected
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: to die for the other.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: I don't expect anyone to die for anyone else. I
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: don't know what that even comes from.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: The men are willing to die for you every day,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: the men in the police force, the men in the military.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: About the women in the police force, they're not They're
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: one They're ten percent, and they cost so much.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: Who can't look at the actual rate of death, Like,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: just just don't even bother with with you know, the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: percentage of the of the Look at who's.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Dying on the job.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: It's overwhelmingly men and police force and the military and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: firefighting EMT. I think I'm not sure if they die
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: very often on the job. But almost everything that keeps
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: women safe, protected and provided for requires male death right.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: And that's She's right, She's not acknowledging it. But this,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: this whole thing, this argument also takes place on the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: level of threat narrative too, And I mean we could,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: I could analyze it on that level. Unfortunately, I think
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: that Pearl might not be winning on that level. But
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: she has such a handicap going into this space. But
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: then again, the fact that Anna is so like I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: don't think Anna is a very good user of threat narratives.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: She's so witchy, witchy, witchy, yeah, like a witch.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Not the Glinda the good Witch of the South witch
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: or or glad You're ill witch.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: I think this is like, this is actually Pearl's a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: bit stronger here because she is just showing like that
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: we know like culturally that we just look at this.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: That's why the happy husband thing doesn't work because no
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: one says that, like she's basically putting a laser on that.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: It's not a massive.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Point, but I think the men in the audience, like
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: you can tell that they're getting she's getting more reactions
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: from them.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: So make up of the police force. They're in the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: police force. My sister laws a cop.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Actually they can't they can't do the same jobs.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: There's videos on the internet getting their guns taken because
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: they're not strong enough.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Are you just making things up?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: No, that's no, that's totally happening. But let let me
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: jump ahead to one more thing here and I think
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: we'll be done.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: So men women frequently quit male dominated, high paying jobs
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: due to workload and mental health issues. So they were
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: talking about jobs. It's like a minute or an hour
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: in let me see Okay.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the chat. I'm seeing if there's anything
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: interesting going on. They're all pretty quiet.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: What I'm curious about is whether or not the pick
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: me act ever resorted into anything positive for you.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: She's he just calls Pearl to pick me now.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: So I'm trying to figure out what this person sideling
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: clydeian Chech is, what their position is, because they said
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: Anna debated Ben Shapiro, Pearl just wasn't ready for it.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: This is so weak.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she like there, she could have been better prepared. Sure,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: this is like again, I think this is why they don't.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: I can't tell their.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Straw man argument. I don't know what you're just saying
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: straw man in the chat. I don't know what that means.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if you're arguing with someone or
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: you're just making noise, just having fun.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Straw man in the chat.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Everybody they're apparently in the in there somewhere, they're around here, somewhere.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: We're gonna find them. All right, let's go.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Are you done?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not all right? So I'm not either. Okay, keep
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: going out. The And the other thing is women fly planes.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: They crash them women are in CEOs.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: Okay, what all right?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: This is not feminists. They want stats that say water
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: is wet.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I want empirical evidence, but to back up your
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: arguments because.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: You want you want to be in control of telling
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: people what to think and how to feel.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: No, I want to be in reality. I want to
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: live in a fact based reality that requires empirical evidence,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: not your assertions.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Well, but you don't.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: You also have not This is really like, I don't know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: this is nobody's particularly good at threat narratives in this one.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: I hate to say it.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: I would honestly say that Pearl is doing a better
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: chomp than Anna. That's just that's really surprising. Like, is
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: Anna just not really doesn't have that particular female instinct.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I think Anna's trying to be a girl boss and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: a feminist at the same time. So m hmm, I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: have her cake any it too. But uh so there
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: was a point.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just look for it in the transcript and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: trying to find the exact point, because that's not really the.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Clip I wanted.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: All right, do you want me to.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Just no, it's fine, it's fine, Crash, I'm CEOs. I'll
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: poke the bulls Uh, yeah, go ahead.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: So oh so silent in Chech says, I feel really
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: bad for her.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: So I think I.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: Think that he is sympathetic to Pearl. Okay, and yeah, no,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: I think I think most people would agree that this
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: isn't the best effort.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: But then there.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: This is just spectacle. Honestly, it's not getting anything done.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what is the debate supposed to do?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess right.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I think I don't think it was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: meant to be like just like a mma of words,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: But I think that Pearl had an opportunity here to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: really like change some minds, and I think she may have,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: but I think that it may have.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Just done more harm overall, just.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Because I mean, Anna handles herself pretty well, even though
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: I know that Anna's wrong on a lot of this,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: or at least she has like a massive blind spot
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: and has really all Pearl had to do to like
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: win is just keep Anna focus on the blind spot
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: and say, Okay, you know these things, but what's the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: situation for men? What's the situation for men? What's the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: situation for men? You cannot solve an equation if you
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: don't have all the variables. You have some of the variables,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: but you don't have all of the variables. So how
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: do we solve this problem? If you're so sure everything
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: is fine, then why are things getting worse? Why do
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: we have a situation where money is worthless, people are
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: not having kids. And you could say, blame it on
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: the government, blame it on these other things. But like
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it always boils down
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: to two dups of people, men and women. Like nothing
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: else matters except those. That's where everything springs from. That's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: why when you know, when the Garden of En was made,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: he didn't put like Tyrone and like Mohammed and these. No,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: it was like Adam and Eve, man and woman. It
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't like a bunch of other shit, right, because that's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: where it all that don't if you just look at
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: it from a you know, a completely philosophical perspective, creation myth,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: you can call it that if you want to. It
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: is a man and a woman like like they look
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: like whatever you want, but they're not like it's not
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of you know, this guy's Egyptian, this
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: guy's from Papua New Guinea.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: No, it's just a man and a woman.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: So anyway, Well, I mean, because it's the basic economies,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: The basic negotiation is between men and women, and then
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: every other everything else sort of falls out of that.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, do you find your spot?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I found it. One five.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: They would provide for the men, they would.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: Sorry, if feminists cared.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: About equality, they would provide for the men. But yet
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 7: that is a small minority of women.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, provide for men. Okay, that's a personal choice. If
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: feminism cared about equality, it would actually talk about men's issues.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what she's kind of saying. She's saying they
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: would do something for men. They would provide something for men.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they would.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: They would advocate for men, not.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: Just say that we don't have to and that men's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: issues are a non starter. And honestly, academic feminism does
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: frame anybody who brings up men's issues, particularly when it
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: comes to domestic violence and sexual assault, as being anti feminist.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: So it doesn't matter what feminists like what I call myself.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: I am an anti feminist because I recognize that men
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: are equally likely to be abused in relationships and most
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: likely equally likely to be sexually assaulted as well, even
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: by women, Like, because I say these things, I am
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: an anti feminist by definition according to feminists, at least
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: feminist academia. Why is that? Like, why is feminism like
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: everybody's like, oh, oh, you're you meet you're an anti feminist.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: You don't. Well, feminists decided what I am even before
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: I knew because I was concerned about male victims, not
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: just female victims, and they consider that to be anti feminism.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: So it's like, it's not it's anyway.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: So but that's.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: To Pearl's point, why don't feminists provide for men if
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: they're about equality?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: So what does Anna say to that in her ineffable works.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: Stick is women should bend over backwards and do everything
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: they can for men. My argument.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Are in the audience, Sorry, go ahead, Alison, that's.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: So depressing depressing? Oh what well?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Men cheering for that, women betting over backwards to help men? Yeah?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: What, Well, maybe they're cheering that they think that that
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: actually should.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Happen by saying that it would be better if women.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all right, that makes me feel better.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: I thought.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: Very suggestion. Uh, and that that Anna is challenging her
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: that okay, So what like, can we can we live
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: with the idea that maybe women should bend over backwards
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: for men, because that is once again another corporeal reality
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: that could exist.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Love is sacrifice? Yeah, yeah, what are women sacrifice?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 5: Can?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Can?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: Can we just can that be okay? Can we be
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: okay with that outcome? If men bend over backwards for men?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Can we be okay with that? Can we be like that?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: That's something that doesn't that doesn't immediately make me melt
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: into a puddle like the wicked Witch of the East?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: All right, yeah?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Can can we do that?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: Like she's basically using the very conception of women bending
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: over backwards as men as a rod to beat peril with,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Like it's this concept that's so horrifyingly evil that you
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: could you can't possibly even entertain? Well, why don't we
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: entertain it?
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: I know, I don't think my brain is leaking out
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: my ears.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: Because I'm entertaining that seems like it's pretty pretty neutral,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: pretty non toxic. Well, men, women could bend over backwards
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: for men? They could, maybe they'd be happier. All right,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: let's keep going.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 6: All right, hold on, My argument is that men and
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: women are both tremendously important to a functioning society.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: But you don't want to treat it seriously. But you
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: don't want to seriously.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: You want to say this, You want to perform equality,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: but continue to do inequality. Because the thing is that
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: a person who believes this doesn't laugh as pearls talking
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: about these horrible things at men face, doesn't sneaker to herself.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: WHU, I can't believe this.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: This is like, this particular debate has very little threat
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: narrative in it, and that's really weird because it's there's
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of cattiness, but.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: That's not quite threat narrative, right.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: There seems to be more with the other debates that
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: we've seen, which included men.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Interesting, okay, let's keep going.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: All right, they both serve different jobs, different roles, and
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 6: in order for society to work, but.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Men women Right, Wait, men and women do different roles,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: different jobs, but women should have all access to men's
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: jobs and should have control over them. It doesn't make sense,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: you see, like she's saying men and women do different jobs,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: all right, What is the different job that men do
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: and why shouldn't they have preferential control over it? If
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: they're the ones responsible for that job.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: See what I'm saying.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that the rubber hits the road at
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: some point. An you can't just say he's.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Saying something that is so like, I don't know, like
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: you like you can't it's like a it's like a
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: sentiment you can't possibly disagree with. So it's like, well,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: what do you think you just did? You're saying something obvious.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: But of course, like everyone will not here, but like
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: in the comments on this video are totally like, oh
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: my god, she said that it's so awesome, like they're
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: just men and women should midwintery.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's men and women should be to have different
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: and should be respected. But women that like, you can
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: actually present the idea of women bending over backwards for
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: men as some horrible outcome that is unspeakable that you
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: can use, even conceiving of it as a rod to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: beat someone else with the you know, rhetorically. And the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: other thing that she said that seemed like she was like, oh,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: this is so horrifying is that men women can't do anything.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: I think that was the other the idea of recognizing
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: that women can be incompetent, so men and women have
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: you know, equal roles, equal respect, but we can't recognize
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: them women can be incompetent, or that women should have
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: responsibilities to men. She is just saying things in the moment.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: This makes me feel good right here. I feel like
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: it will make give me the opportunity to win. But
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: I don't really believe it because the actual components of
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: this belief I have undermined in previous parts of this debate.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: So it's like, Okay, that's a lovely performance of reason
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: there Anna, actually not particularly lovely, but it was a performance.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, last bit world population.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: You win.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Feminists wanted to fight against rape culture.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: You win.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: If a woman is raped, assaulted, or if she revokes
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 7: consent after the fact, she has the power to get
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: a man fired from his job, kicked out of school,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: or thrown in jail.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: You want.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: Feminists. Women want to be free of traditional gender roles.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: Fine.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: Men invented the dishwasher, the rumba, the air fryer, fast food,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: and uber eats. These there are meal prep services and
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: cheap restaurants.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: You win.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 7: Women wanted to have a career first and get married
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: later in life. Men allowed women to come into the
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: workforce and have millions of dollars in funding, pushing women
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: into male dominated fields and scholarships. And invented IVF to
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 7: give us another five years of fertility. The husband's pay
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: for the IVF and they are pushing to get it
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 7: taxpayer funded.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: You win.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 7: Women wanted to be sexually liberated instead of getting married.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 7: Men invented Tinder and hinge so random men can literally
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: come to your door. The men from your hometown are
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: not good enough. Men invented social media so you can
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 7: get flown out by the highest status men in the world.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: Men did not Women did not want to work labor jobs. Fine.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: Men invented social media so you can talk into a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: microphone and get paid.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: You can now work from.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: Home so you can have a family and be a mom.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: You can make money selling your nudes on the internet
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: and become a billionaire. Women did not want to give birth.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: Fine men invented surrogacy so another woman can do it
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: for you. Women wanted to be thin without working out.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: Now you have ozon pic you want to look younger.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: Fine.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: Men invented botox, hair ed eye filters on your phone,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: nose jobs and a nose plastic search, oh lash extensions,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: makeup and a.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: What you didn't catch that men invented jobs and then
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: said anna nose ouch.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: Oh man, you can now wait till forty to have
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 7: a baby. Freeze your face, work in an air conditioned office,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: earn a living, sitting on your ass, getting fat, spending
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: money you don't have.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: Marry someone to pay it off, Divorce him, put him
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: on alimony and child support.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: Get a room.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: B bort your kid, have unprotected sex on camera, get
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: paid for it. Order any cooked food to your door.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: Get a self driving cary.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: You might get hit by copyright.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Know this person, this this, this upload is by someone else.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: Oh god, the original debate so this isn't even their
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: content either, So.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Okay. Continue then to have ten abortions.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 7: Bang three hundred men take a DEI position that pays
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: three hundred k year hoober eats a plan B study
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 7: underwater basket weaving, and.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Get sympathy when your degree pays and o money.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: Feminists are spoiled liberal progressive women that have no idea
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: how good they have it. You guys will never be
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: happy until men are nothing but empty shells who are
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: slaves to the system fueled by feminists selfishness, spending habits,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: in poor choices. Feminists don't care about equality, because if
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: they did.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: There would be equal rights for men.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: There would be equal men's shelters, there would be equal
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: funding for men's cancer.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: There would be equal there would be real equality.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: I checked twenty different feminist websites and have not found
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: one that mentioned a single issue that asked for men
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: to be equal.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: It only asks for special treatment.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 7: Feminism has empowered women to destroy the death of a
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: thousand cuts. Feminism is not about equality, It's about insidious domination.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: It has been a slow creep to where women are
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 7: complaining about their no existent oppression. Men have figured this
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: out because they're highly adaptive and the math is not mathing.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: I am curious to know feminists plan when men refuse
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: to stop providing, protecting, and maintaining the civilization you enjoy.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: Corrupting feminists are about to fuck around and find out.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: Feminists feminists have won.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: You destroyed every single male group that used to be
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: strictly for men, like boy scouts. You can falsely accuse
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: men of rape, harassment, and endless lawsuits.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: Feminists have more political.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 7: Power, voting power, and spending power than any other group.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Everybody caters to you.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: Corporations cater to you because women are the primary purchasers.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: Politicians because they need the vote. Men have to pay
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: child support to a rapist. Men are not believed when
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: they're abused. Men have to die at work and at war.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: Men have to pay child support for eighteen to twenty
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: one years. Men have to register in selective service. Men
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: are not given additional consideration for college admissions, jobs, opportunities,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: and scholarships. Children are not tested at birth, leading to
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: paternity fraud, which is not prosecuted at all, and men
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: will more than likely deal with this in their lifetime. Metter,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: the majority of the homeless. Men are the majority of
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: the suicides. Women can hit men, and men can't hit back.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 7: Feminism has empowered women to destroy men, and congratulations, one
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: point six million men have commit committed suicide?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: What more do you want? Anna?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: That is okay?
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Whoa, Well, that was actually pretty devastating. Maybe she just
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: have started with that, could have you know, she could
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: have like there's nowhere to go from that.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: It's it is.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I'm not happy.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: I think feminists do have like they do have a
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: counter argument to most of those, if not all of
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: those but the counter argument is patriarchy did that.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like patriarchy.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: Somehow did all of that and every bit of it
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: benefits women, Like women are not liberated by feminism. They're
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: liberated by men creating the means, the technology to liberate them,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: liberate them which they never forgave men for this is
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: this is true, and and at this point the majority
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: of women still refuse to turn around and say, well,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: what do men need?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: Well, what could men use at this point?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 6: Like what what?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: What things do men need to be have addressed?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: And it's I think, I I have two possibilities. One
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: maybe they're worried that everything will implode if they do it,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: or two women's brains are incapable of it. And I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: resist the second possibility because that means that women aren't
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: really human like that, that they're incapable of stepping out
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: of how much they rely on men and realizing that
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: men actually sometimes need things to right that's I mean,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: what is the point of men dragging an existential weight
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: into the future like that? Like somebody who absolutely categorically
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: can't be a partner, not just refuses to be a partner, but.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: Can't be a partner can't. I don't know. I have
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: no answer for that.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: It really disturbs me. I'm glad that Pearl said all
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: that because it's true and it's something.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: That well, she probably didn't expect. Yeah what I what
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I suspect is that Pearl probably didn't expect that she
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: is going to be able to like really get these
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: points out, and so she saw it as an opportunity
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: this debate, rather to just say all of those things
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: at the end. It's like Warren.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Ferrell when we talked about that last week, where he
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: basically was like, Okay, I'm not gonna get a you know,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: to like make a really clear point, So I'm just
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: gonna use this opportunity to.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Drive people towards this thing.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: So she just said here's a bunch of issues, and
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: the men were listening were like, yeah, that's true, that's true.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: That's true. So and she's got the last word. So
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be what people take away, you know,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: so well they still have to.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Contend with it, so that's that's a win. I would say, Yeah,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: it was really rough. That was that was a rough
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: rough ride, rough road there to get to this point.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know why she didn't start with this, m h.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe she was keeping it for a closing statement.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: The other thing is that I I wanted to.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: Address something that was said Shaman King said, how in
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: the world is anyone supposed to respond to that? That's
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: the sort of thing you should lead with and then
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: unpack if you're going to do it at all. Yeah,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: I one hundred percent she should lead with it. And
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: and also it's gonna be very difficult to respond to.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: But that's yeah, there's a dish gallop. It's just like
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of talking points.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: So but they are actually, you know, they're they're real.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, but and the other thing is that she
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: the Anna keeps demanding some kind of evidence for stuff.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: So it's almost like you need a gish gallop to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: get to the point of making the overall point, which
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: is men have done so much for women, so much
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: for women, Like I can't think of one thing that
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: men that hasn't been requested by women that men haven't
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: done if it was conceivable for them to do it,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: Like they can't get rid of male rapists until they
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: get rid of single mothers. Like so if you want
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: to be single mothers you're gonna have to live with.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: That's the only thing that men can do is manage
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: the consequences of single motherhood.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: Yep, right, stuff like that.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Like it's so that men are bending over backwards to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: create a world for women to exist in. I can't
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: think of one thing that women haven't asked for that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: men haven't attempted to give them right, And the complaints
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: are never ending.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: The complaints are.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Never ending, and I think might it might be because
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: women only feel real I guess in this world when
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: they're demanding stuff from men, which is sad. It's sad
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: for men, it's sad for women, and it would be
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: great to move past that.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: Okay, So that's my final word. I don't I'll hand
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: it over to Brian.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean, like I already said what I
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to say about this. I think that the really
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: the tough.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Thing is is that, uh this isn't really pear strength
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: and it is an area where anna stronger pearl code
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: have won, but it would have required a little bit
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: more prep. I think that she need to do more
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: prep time. I think you should have opened with that
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: as their opening statement and been very specific like, like,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: because you when you're dealing with these people, you have
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: to like be you know, have all of your be
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: on your p's and q's, cross your t's, dot your
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: lowercase js, and have all of your ducks in a row,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: all of the all of the idioms that have to
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: do with being well prepared, and you basically go through
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: them one by one, and whenever they try to make
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: it about women, you remind them that they're pivoting towards
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: women and we're trying to look at men.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: And because like the data on women is everywhere, and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: you know, there's probably a lot of data that is
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: it would become called into question if it also accounted
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: for men. So when they try to pivot to women,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: you say, okay, so what's the situation for men here?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: Do you know?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: And it's probably a good idea.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: To be like well, they'll be like, well, you know,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: there's nothing about it in the study, and it's like, oh, well,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: why hasn't Why hasn't anyone done a study on men
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: in this particular area? Why do you think that no
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: one cares to look into that? You know, as an example,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: academia is run by women. Why aren't the women in
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: academia saying why don't we do why don't we look
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: at this data and see how the how men are affected,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and then like basically like let the audience.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Come to that conclusion if anything. So, if you don't
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: have the data, then fall back on logic. That's that's
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: what I would say.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: You know, so I gotta see what ch'aw from, Great indoors,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you, great Endorance gives us ten dollars and says
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: I think an argument can be made that says that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: political debates like these are relics of the past. I
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: do believe more people are convinced by what they see
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: happening in Minneapolis and by the subsequent self reports by
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: mostly women on social media because they cannot help themselves
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: spouting radicalized calls for domestic terrorism. Anyone who doesn't get
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: that the left has no moral ground will become one
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: of their radicals in future time. Well yeah, yeah, go ahead, Alison, No,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I think that is.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: It is radicalizing. In I've been sort of getting into
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: arguments with commentators. I've stepped away from that a bit
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: because that's some work to do. But honestly, what I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: hold too is the fact that all of this shouldn't
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: have happened in the first place. This is a direct
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: result of a bunch of thieving bureaucrats stirring up a conflict,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: an ideological conflict. And yes, there's the preconditions of the
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: ideological conflict, but it's.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: It is it is not.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: It's people getting away with theft is what it is.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: Right, And.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: The fact that there is a group of people who
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  Speaker 5: think that a country can exist without policing its borders.
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  Speaker 5: And we can have a discussion on what's appropriate policing,
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  Speaker 5: but I get the feeling that I'm discussing it with
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  Speaker 5: people who think that policing itself is is something.
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  Speaker 4: That shouldn't happen at all.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And while I can understand that among an caps
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  Speaker 5: because they think that nothing government should happen at all,
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  Speaker 5: what I'm seeing is such you can't have a discussion
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  Speaker 5: if you cannot allow that.
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  Speaker 6: That.
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  Speaker 4: And policing is something that I think is part.
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  Speaker 5: Of masculinity and the way that men sort of experience
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  Speaker 5: the world and have expectations of the world, because it's
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  Speaker 5: men who are almost who are universally drawn to policing,
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  Speaker 5: or not universally, but almost universally male and it's men
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  Speaker 5: who created the concept throughout and maintained it and perpetuated
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  Speaker 5: it into its modern forms. So it's like policing, boundary setting, denying,
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  Speaker 5: magical thinking. All of these things appear to be the
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  Speaker 5: way that men have a kind of moral frame that
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  Speaker 5: they that they that they they apply to the greater
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  Speaker 5: world consequences, real world consequences, productivity, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 5: And what is bugging me about all of this is
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  Speaker 5: the same people who are like, oh, Ice is terrible.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, but they are also the same people
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  Speaker 5: who hate every aspect of masculinity and any and men, right,
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  Speaker 5: so this is just happens. Are they just right just
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  Speaker 5: because it's on ice? I mean, and again, I'm perfectly
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  Speaker 5: fine with the discussion of oh, is this an oversight
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  Speaker 5: or is this ice taking their power too far? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of discussions that we should have. There should
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  Speaker 5: be somebody watching the watchers.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel like it's it's a delegitimation, Like it's
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  Speaker 5: it's saying that it's illegitimate to have policing functions at all.
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  Speaker 5: And I do notice that, for whatever reason, these individuals
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  Speaker 5: who seem to have a hatred of masculine boundary setting.
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  Speaker 5: They really dropped the issue about actual police. Did you
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  Speaker 5: notice this, Brian, after the bodycams came out, like all
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  Speaker 5: the bodycam footage, suddenly all of the all cops caps
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  Speaker 5: are bad. People shut up a bit. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you noticed that. I wonder if there's some timing there.
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  Speaker 1: I stopped paying attention.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, so it's like this this condemnation of masculinity,
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  Speaker 5: and so you have these people. Anyway, it's a complicated thing.
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  Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't get into it any further. I have
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  Speaker 5: to admit I recently was called a leftist.
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  Speaker 4: Though, Okay, so it was interesting.
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  Speaker 5: It was because, if you guys are interested, It was
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  Speaker 5: because I talked about how the silver commodities market is
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  Speaker 5: screwed up because it's pursuing financialization rather than the financial
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  Speaker 5: structures necessary to support the men who were making actual metal.
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  Speaker 5: And somebody came on and said, well, Trump, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the lefts are gonna blamed Trump, and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think Trump is to blame, but I also don't
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  Speaker 5: think raising the floor what that administration's intervention is.
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  Speaker 4: Going to do anything is going to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 5: And then I got called a leftist because I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: because I didn't say that the left was to blame,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't think it is not in that circumstance.
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  Speaker 5: It is not specifically the left. It is this particular
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: cancerous set of ideas around finance and productivity, and it
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  Speaker 5: is adjacent, I think, adjacent to communism. It's not quite communism.
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  Speaker 5: But anyway, this is another complicated I'm sorry, I'm squirreling, guys,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: I should stop.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I got a super chat from John Frosis and he
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  Speaker 2: says he gives us two forty nine in euros. Thank you, John,
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  Speaker 2: And he says, Pearl on HBr, we've tried. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can try again. I know that we were
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: close to it at one point, but but I mean,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: like some of our people have been on Pearls thing.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: So we've bet Karen and Alison and Paul.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sure Pearl does a lot of appearances.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe well, I mean, it depends like maybe now she could.
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  Speaker 2: It depends like she goes through periods where she's really
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  Speaker 2: busy and then where she's not.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, but I haven't tried in a while.
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  Speaker 2: I have like a fireside chat coming up on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got one with effective purpose next Monday.
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  Speaker 1: So I got some fireside chats coming.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you have one this Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, with one of the people that we use sent
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  Speaker 1: my way.
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  Speaker 5: All right, okay, okay, Well I'll just say, if you're
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  Speaker 5: interested in anything that we talked about, please send us
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  Speaker 5: it the next available show. And once again I will
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: have our monthly fundraiser up at Feedbadger dot com slash support,
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  Speaker 5: So look for that to make sure we can keep
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: doing this work because I think, again we have a
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  Speaker 5: very unique perspective. And I will explain exactly how men's
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: rights relates to the price of silver.
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  Speaker 4: But that's gonna be on the main channel, Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so I'll hand that back to you, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I did get one more super chat last minute. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: came in from AJN ninety three and they said, he says,
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  Speaker 2: Nick foent Is twenty twenty eight, thank.
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  Speaker 1: You for that aj N ninety three.
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