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Sharri | 9 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Or on the program tonight, Labor accused of bullying the
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Speaker 3: IRBA in a fiery question time. New polling shows that
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Speaker 3: voters aren't buying Albanesi's excuses over the cost of living.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, will the Prime Minister bother to read the
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Speaker 3: three thousand page Royal Commission report into veteran suicide? Well,
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Speaker 3: he needs do because this is a blight on our nation.
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Speaker 3: And pro Palestinian protesters target a Jewish school in Perth,
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Speaker 3: a disgraceful act that shows that these activists have lost
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Speaker 3: all morals and it comes as green counselors adopt her
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Speaker 3: must symbols and the A and U allows a student
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Speaker 3: qu endorsed the October seven terror attacks back to class plus.
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Speaker 3: World renowned spiritual guru Deepak Chopra will join me live
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Speaker 3: on the show tonight to share his view on the
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Speaker 3: social unrest we're seeing, the rise in mental illness and
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Speaker 3: how to find happiness. That exclusive interview coming up a
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Speaker 3: bit later this hour. But first tonight, voters aren't buying
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Speaker 3: Labour's attempt to blame the RBA for the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Crisis.
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Speaker 3: Former Treasurer Wayne Swan seems to be suffering from relevant
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Speaker 3: deprivation syndrome. He can't handle seeing his former protege now
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Speaker 3: running the economy, and he obviously thinks Charmers isn't going
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Speaker 3: tough enough on the RBA, because Wayne Swan came out
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Speaker 3: swinging against the independent Central Bank on Friday.
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Speaker 1: Well, the government is.
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Speaker 4: Doing a lot to bring down inflation, but the Reserve
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Speaker 4: Bank is simply punching itself in the face. It's counterproductive
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Speaker 4: and it's not good to economic policy, and I'm incredibly
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Speaker 4: disappointed at what they're doing.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Treasurer responded and sought to distance himself from
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Speaker 3: Swan just yesterday, and remember Swan is his close friend
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Speaker 3: and old boss.
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Speaker 5: Wayne went much further than I have.
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Speaker 6: I'm making a factual point borne out by the National Accounts.
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Speaker 6: I don't second guess the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Coalition turned the heat on the government today
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Speaker 3: over the anemic state of the economy. They accused Charmers
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Speaker 3: of bullying the RBA and also took aim at the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 7: Why won't the Prime Minister admit his government has been
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Speaker 7: a disaster. As more Australian families are working harder and longer,
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Speaker 7: but still going backwards.
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Speaker 8: Last week, the Treasurer accused the RBA of smashing the economy.
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Speaker 8: Then Labour's national president and the Treasurer's mentor, Wayne Swan, said,
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Speaker 8: the RBA is quote punching itself in the face. Treasurer,
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Speaker 8: Why does the alb and easy Labor government thinks it's
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Speaker 8: acceptable to bully the independent RBA in this way when
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Speaker 8: all they're doing is cleaning up Labour's economic mess. Why
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Speaker 8: is the government fighting the Reserve Bank of Australia while
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Speaker 8: Australian families go backwards?
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Speaker 7: Why is the government fighting the Reserve Bank and leaving
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Speaker 7: Australian families going backwards.
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Speaker 3: With Well, the picture is building of Labor trying to
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Speaker 3: turn the RBA into the villain, and this after the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister also tried to turn supermarket giants into a
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Speaker 3: target for public anger over the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: But Wayne Swan is simply not believable.
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Speaker 3: He's a failed treasurer obsessed with class warfare. This was
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Speaker 3: the man who announced four years of surpluses but never
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Speaker 3: delivered a single one.
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Speaker 4: The four years of surpluses I announced tonight are.
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Speaker 2: A powerful endorsement of the strength.
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Speaker 4: Of our economy, resilience of our people, and the success
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Speaker 4: of our policies.
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Speaker 3: The RBA governor has easily deflected criticism that the central
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Speaker 3: Bank is to blame for the weak economy. She says
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Speaker 3: that the top priority is to bring inflation down and
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Speaker 3: that talk of rate cuts are premature.
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Speaker 9: The federal government and the treasurers in a number of
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Speaker 9: times that he's doing his bit to try and bring
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Speaker 9: down inflation. My job is to focus on what I
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Speaker 9: can do, which is only the interest rate. If inflation
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Speaker 9: doesn't come down, then it might be that the best
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Speaker 9: medicine is in fact that we have to end up
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Speaker 9: putting more restriction into the economy.
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Speaker 3: So not taking further rate hikes off the table. And
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Speaker 3: voters aren't buying the criticism of the RBA anyway. The
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Speaker 3: Herald's polling today showed that only twenty seven percent of
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Speaker 3: voters blame the central bank. And not only aren't the
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Speaker 3: public buying the argument, but they think the opposite.
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Speaker 2: According to this Polster.
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Speaker 3: Resolved director Jim Rey said that voters are much more
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Speaker 3: likely to hold the government responsible for inflation than the
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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank, and many actually think the IRBA is trying
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Speaker 3: to solve the issues caused in part by government. But
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Speaker 3: the Treasurer Jim Chalmers is right to say that the
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Speaker 3: economy is being smashed. As he says, this is a
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Speaker 3: statement of fact. If it weren't for the high migration levels,
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Speaker 3: we'd likely be in a full blown recession right now.
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Speaker 3: And we are in a per capita recession. We've had
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Speaker 3: six successive quarters of negative GDP per capita growth, So
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Speaker 3: Australians feel like they're in a recession.
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Speaker 2: Their household budgets feel like this.
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Speaker 3: It's a point the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor made in
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Speaker 3: question time today and he called it a household recession.
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Speaker 7: Can the Treasurer confirmed that Australia has been in a
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Speaker 7: household recession for the past six orders and that this
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Speaker 7: is the longest straight run of falling per capita output
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Speaker 7: on record.
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Speaker 6: Now, mister speaker, if we had taken the free advice
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Speaker 6: of those opposites, if we had taken their advice, the
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Speaker 6: economy would be in recession right now.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers hit back again, claiming that the opposition wants
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Speaker 3: a recession for political reasons.
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Speaker 6: Those opposite don't support cost of living health, and they
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Speaker 6: want higher interest rates. They want a recession for political reasons,
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Speaker 6: and they're very disappointed when they didn't get one. Mister Speaker,
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Speaker 6: if we had followed their advice, mister Speaker, or would.
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Speaker 5: Be in recession right now, and we're not.
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Speaker 1: This side of the House is fighting inflation.
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Speaker 6: Without ignoring the risks to growth, and fighting inflation while
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Speaker 6: recognizing the pressures that people are under, and we're getting
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Speaker 6: the balance right well.
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Speaker 3: The best political writer in this country, Paul Kelly, asks
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Speaker 3: how far does the economy need to sink before a
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Speaker 3: circuit breaker kicks in. He says Labour seems trapped between
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Speaker 3: the politics and economics, with its declining trend in the
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Speaker 3: polls and fear of minority government, the risk.
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Speaker 2: Is that Labor will just offer a more of.
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Speaker 3: The same economic agenda at next year's election, a second
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Speaker 3: term like the first. He says, that would mean bigger,
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Speaker 3: more interventionist government, a costlier IR model, more red and
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Speaker 3: green tape, no substantial tax reform, full throttle on the
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Speaker 3: renewables transition, and subsiding wages in the care economy. He
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Speaker 3: says that maybe enough to get re elected, it won't
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Speaker 3: deliver a new growth model for Australia and Labour should
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Speaker 3: be concerned about minority government because the Herald's polling also
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Speaker 3: showed the Coalition and Labor neck and neck on a.
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Speaker 2: Two party preferred basis.
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Speaker 3: Labour's primary is at twenty eight percent while the Coalition's
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Speaker 3: primary at thirty seven percent, but momentum is clearly in
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's favor.
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Speaker 2: The government is on.
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Speaker 3: The ropes over national security and border security.
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Speaker 2: It's let people in from a.
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Speaker 3: Terrorist controlled war zone without proper security vetting, and now
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton has shown that he's coming after the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister over the cost of living, while with inflation still
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Speaker 3: persistent and the economy week Albanezi should be worried.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: There's no greater service to our country and no greater
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Speaker 3: act of selflessness than fighting for our nation. The mothers,
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Speaker 3: partners and children of soldiers breathe a deep sigh of
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Speaker 3: relief when they're loved ones make it home alife in
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Speaker 3: one piece, but in too many cases, in the months
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Speaker 3: and the years that follow, they go on to lose
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Speaker 3: their loved ones to suicide. This is a blight on
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Speaker 3: our nation, a deep shame on the defense and Veterans
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Speaker 3: Affairs departments and on all politicians. The report from the
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Speaker 3: Royal Commission into Veteran Suicide was finally handed down today
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Speaker 3: after three years, seven volumes and over three thousand pages.
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Speaker 3: I hope the Prime Minister takes the time to read
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Speaker 3: every page. It is scathing of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
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Speaker 3: It found that the Department is not in its current
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Speaker 3: form actually capable of delivering optimal wellbeing support to the
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Speaker 3: veteran community or addressing the risks of suicide. There are
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty two recommendations. They include setting up
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Speaker 3: a new body to help personnel transition to normal civilian life,
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Speaker 3: also a formal inquiry into military sexual violence in the ADF.
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Speaker 3: Here was Commissioner Nick Cowdice today.
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Speaker 11: Well, when there's been dozens of inquiries and hundreds of recommendations,
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Speaker 11: I'd say that's a failure in leadership. What is clear
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Speaker 11: from some of the horrible stories that we've heard is
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Speaker 11: that many people simply turn the blind eye over many
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Speaker 11: years and felt it was too hard. We feel that
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Speaker 11: unless there is an entity with enough power and resources
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Speaker 11: to tackle the problems, they're simply going to persist. You
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Speaker 11: can't keep doing the same thing over and over again
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Speaker 11: and expect the result to come out different.
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Speaker 3: There can be no greater urgency than this doing just
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Speaker 3: what's right by our young men and women who put
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Speaker 3: their life on the line for all of us. Well,
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Speaker 3: this needs to be rectified by the Albanese government and urgently.
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Speaker 3: I also just want to mention the veteran widows, the
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph newspaper editor Ben English and the now editor
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Speaker 3: of the Adelaide Advertiser Jemma Jones, for making this royal
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Speaker 3: commission happen. Media power is so important, and in this
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Speaker 3: case it forced the former government to announce a royal
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Speaker 3: commission that didn't want to know about all. Right, now
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Speaker 3: to discuss this, and while, let's bring in senior fellow
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Speaker 3: at the Mensies Research Center, Nick Cata and Sky News'
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Speaker 3: host Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 5: Welcome, Sarry.
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Speaker 2: How are you Joe?
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Speaker 3: What do you think? This was a media campaign? The
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Speaker 3: former government didn't want to hold a role commission. They
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Speaker 3: said over and over and over again. We now have
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Speaker 3: this scathing report. What does the government need to do here?
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Speaker 12: The government needs to do absolutely everything the report says,
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Speaker 12: and that includes obviously a special sort of purpose built,
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Speaker 12: if you like, agency or department to help veterans transition
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Speaker 12: from the armed forces.
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Speaker 13: Into the community.
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Speaker 12: It's a terrible comparison to make, but it's a bit like,
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Speaker 12: you know, almost the transition from prison into that outside.
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Speaker 12: Once you've been in an environment which is highly institutionalized,
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Speaker 12: highly regulated, where everything is controlled, you are doing extraordinary
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Speaker 12: things that most of us could never even dream of doing,
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Speaker 12: including potentially sacrificing your life for the nation. But that
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Speaker 12: makes just everyday normal oring civilian suburban life almost you know,
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Speaker 12: incomprehensible to some of them. There's also I remember reading
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Speaker 12: years ago. I'm sure it's in the report as well.
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Speaker 12: But you know, we are an Australian serviceman and woman
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Speaker 12: is more likely to lose their life at the hands
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Speaker 12: of their own weapon, or rather more likely to die
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Speaker 12: from suicide than from an enemy bullet than from overseas combat.
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Speaker 12: It's phenomenal. And again this is not necessarily a product
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Speaker 12: of even seeing conflict or all. Necessarily. This happens when
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Speaker 12: they're in training. So you have to have you have
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Speaker 12: to have that awareness of the risk being there, and
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Speaker 12: you have to have what they talk about in crisis
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Speaker 12: management work I do with vineys and stuff that wrap
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Speaker 12: around care, not just not just a Department of Veterans Affairs.
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Speaker 12: It just sort of cuts the checks and post them out.
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Speaker 3: Well, Nick, you know, I think it came out in
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Speaker 3: the report that it's not so much PTSD, but it's
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Speaker 3: the environmental fact as it's bullying in the Defense Department
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Speaker 3: certainly part of it.
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Speaker 1: The report goes into that in some detail factors as well,
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Speaker 1: many of which have been around for ever since we
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Speaker 1: had soldiers. I think, you know, I had a distant
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Speaker 1: relative who came home deeply traumatized from the First World
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Speaker 1: War and ended up getting it turning it out. But
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Speaker 1: we all know those stories. But clearly this report, its
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Speaker 1: main recommendations one hundred and twenty two are aimed at
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Speaker 1: the Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs and the government. But
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Speaker 1: what struck me in Nick Callis's report of the seven paragraphs,
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Speaker 1: which is aimed at us as a general public. What
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Speaker 1: the general public should do. And I think we all
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Speaker 1: have a responsibility to honor our servicemen whenever we can
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Speaker 1: thank them for their service, keep an eye on them,
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Speaker 1: reach out to them. And I think if I unfashionable
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Speaker 1: as Scott Morrison might be. He did a very I
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Speaker 1: thought a very important thing when he was Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: and that was enrolled the welcomed the country ritual into
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Speaker 1: we always said, and any serviceman here, thank you for
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Speaker 1: your service. I think we should do that more is
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Speaker 1: more regularly.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that.
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Speaker 1: Because so many of the stories in here people are
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Speaker 1: coming back feeling that they felt they weren't valued. Nobody cared,
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Speaker 1: nobody listened, nobody respected what they'd done. I want to
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Speaker 1: say here and now that I respect every serviceman who's
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Speaker 1: served our country. We all do, and we have to
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Speaker 1: say this loudly and often, I think, and.
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Speaker 3: More often they're subject to attacks in the media than gratitude,
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Speaker 3: and we've seen that a lot in the past few
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Speaker 3: years now. Australian billionaire James Packer gave an emotional and
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Speaker 3: very revealing interview last night and he spoke very courageously
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Speaker 3: about his own private battles.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 14: I think my downs coincided with either being on the
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Speaker 14: wrong medication or having too much stress at work. And
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Speaker 14: when I say too much stress at work, that's code
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Speaker 14: for too much debt and problems with the business. I
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Speaker 14: was put on lithium in twenty twenty two, and within
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Speaker 14: two weeks was a zombie. I was a complete zombie.
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Speaker 2: He was very vulnerable.
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Speaker 3: He shared his pain, and he didn't only speak about
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Speaker 3: mental health struggles, but also a battle with sugar.
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Speaker 15: You know, the zembic thing that's happening at the moment
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Speaker 15: when we go which I'm on it and I'm putting
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Speaker 15: on what so you're still still Yeah, So I'm eating
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Speaker 15: a lot of sugar.
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Speaker 1: I'm mating.
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Speaker 5: I'm consuming a lot of sugar.
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Speaker 15: Because you don't drink, do you You're not I'm not
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Speaker 15: drinking drinking, I'm not drinking. No, So where do you get?
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Speaker 15: How do you get?
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Speaker 5: All the sugar?
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Speaker 1: Is just truckloads of sugar? Truckloads of sugar.
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Speaker 14: Are you're not interviewing someone who's saying to you, I've
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Speaker 14: got it worked out and I've got all the answers.
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Speaker 13: My work in progress, my work in progress, Joe.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think this was so brave of him
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Speaker 3: to be that vulnerable publicly for millions and millions of
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Speaker 3: people to see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Really really resonated me. It's been haunting me ever since
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Speaker 12: last night. I'm bipoul myself not to the extent that
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Speaker 12: James Packer is. I also know people have been on
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Speaker 12: lithium and he's absolutely right. It completely zonks you out,
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Speaker 12: and the cure is worse than the disease. I met
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Speaker 12: James Packerd just once and I was stunned by how
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Speaker 12: incredibly gracious and honest he was. And so this doesn't
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Speaker 12: surprise me at all. But for someone who I suppose
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Speaker 12: is in a business which relies on kind of you know, power,
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Speaker 12: a certain amount of fear or respect for you, this
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Speaker 12: is a towering human being who is basically just completely
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Speaker 12: pulled down the facade and said, no, I'm a broken bloke, rebuilt,
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Speaker 12: need to rebuild from the ground up. And I thought,
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Speaker 12: good on him.
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Speaker 3: I agree with you that element of his personality, and
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Speaker 3: I don't know him personally, but that graciousness came through
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Speaker 3: and he didn't want to say a bad word about anyone,
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Speaker 3: and that really came through it in the interview. But Nick,
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Speaker 3: you know, they spoke Rubbie Williams and James Packer spoke
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Speaker 3: about the genetic element of mental illness. But you also
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Speaker 3: got the sense that seeing as he first had his
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Speaker 3: mental health crisis when there was a business deal in
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Speaker 3: collab that a lot of this might be environmental, and
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Speaker 3: you think.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, life just might be easier.
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Speaker 3: Not being a billionaire with all these pressures on you. You know,
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Speaker 3: the simple life would probably be easier on one's mental
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Speaker 3: health and probably you know lead right.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, But I think any of us who've known people
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Speaker 1: with mental illness or people who just get depressed from
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Speaker 1: time to time, you know that if your mental health
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Speaker 1: isn't very strong, then you don't cope with whatever problems
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Speaker 1: come along. You know, problems that if you were a
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Speaker 1: little bit stronger in your mind, would just you just
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Speaker 1: be able to deal with become mountains in front of you.
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Speaker 1: But I agree, I think this is a true mentously
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Speaker 1: courageous interview, and he's right. I think we don't. The
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Speaker 1: medication is still very rough and ready for most mental diseases,
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Speaker 1: whether it be you know, schizophrenia or whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: And I think I've come to the conclusion over the years,
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Speaker 1: knowing people like James who struck ow my mental illness,
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Speaker 1: that the worst kind of disability is the disability of
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Speaker 1: the mind. You know, physical disability is bad enough, but
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Speaker 1: if you've got a disability of mind, it it just
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Speaker 1: handicaps everything you do. It just stops everything you do
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Speaker 1: and stops you having a fulfilling life. Though, Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: good on him and you know that, hope he encourages
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Speaker 1: other people to seek treatment and it encourages more research
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Speaker 1: into this vital area.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Just again, so brave of him
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Speaker 3: to do that. And he mentioned a couple of times
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Speaker 3: a few times in that interview that he was embarrassed
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Speaker 3: to give an answer. So hard to sit there and
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Speaker 3: open your private life up like that. Now let's turn
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Speaker 3: to the Australian National University. This was just a shocking move.
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Speaker 3: It appears to have backflipped on its decision to expel
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Speaker 3: a student, Beatrice Tucker, who endorsed Hermas.
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Speaker 2: This was the student on the ABC earlier this year.
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Speaker 7: But surely if you're going to protest against that, you've
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Speaker 7: also got to send him mishies to Hamas to release
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Speaker 7: the hostages, don't you.
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Speaker 16: Well, I actually say that Hermas deserve our unconditional support,
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Speaker 16: not because they agree with their strategy.
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Speaker 1: Can't You can't condemn what HARMSS did in October.
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Speaker 16: Now we'll not condemn what Hamas did. We must be unconditional,
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Speaker 16: but we must be critical.
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Speaker 3: Also, so A and you initially expelled her from A
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Speaker 3: and U, but then The Herald reported today that Tucker
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Speaker 3: posted on social media celebrating the fact that she was
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Speaker 3: now allowed back on campus, and the university has refused
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Speaker 3: to comment on the case. Joe, this sends the worst
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Speaker 3: possible message, doesn't it.
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Speaker 12: Look at Dard's But again, I think the expulsion or
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Speaker 12: non expulsion is almost secondary to me. The most important
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Speaker 12: thing is that this, this link has been exposed, and
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Speaker 12: that it you know, the far left is openly siding
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Speaker 12: with a terrorist, a prescribed, non ambiguous, prescribed terrorist organization,
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Speaker 12: and refusing to condemn them, even when they're being led
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Speaker 12: by the chain by the ABC hosts saying surely you're
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Speaker 12: not that crazy to actually support these guys, And even
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Speaker 12: then they just can't do it.
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Speaker 13: And you see it again and again.
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Speaker 12: There's more examples that will come to light, I'm sure,
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Speaker 12: But again, sunlight for the best, Joe, you need to
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Speaker 12: expose these people.
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Speaker 3: I agree, we need to expose them, but then you
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Speaker 3: also need to deal with them, because the issue is
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Speaker 3: that this becomes normalized, and if university chancellors, if the police,
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Speaker 3: if everyone's turning a blind eye to this, then it
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Speaker 3: just becomes normalized and.
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Speaker 2: It's such a deep issue for us. Look, I just.
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Speaker 3: Want to end with a story by my colleague and
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Speaker 3: friendly and Mendes, who managed to track former nine News
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Speaker 3: boss Darren Wick down and put a lot of questions
20:39
Speaker 3: to him over the explosive sexual harassment allegations that rocked
20:43
Speaker 3: Channel nine after his departure.
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Speaker 2: Here was Liam confronting Darren Wick.
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Speaker 17: What have you got to say to the women who've
20:51
Speaker 17: made allegations against you? Why haven't you spoken publicly about
20:56
Speaker 17: these allegations, mister Wick? These are serious allegations of groping,
21:04
Speaker 17: sexual harassment, and manipulation. You don't have anything to say
21:07
Speaker 17: at all. Why weren't you upfront about why you left nine?
21:14
Speaker 2: Nick?
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Speaker 16: Now?
21:14
Speaker 3: I think people watching this might think, oh, you know,
21:16
Speaker 3: the poor guy, But not the poor guy. He was
21:19
Speaker 3: the head of Channel nine that did doorstops like this
21:22
Speaker 3: all of the time. He hasn't fronted up. There are
21:25
Speaker 3: dozens of women who have made complaints about inappropriate behavior
21:30
Speaker 3: or sexual harassment or a toxic workplace under him. He
21:34
Speaker 3: should be answering questions. This is what he would have
21:36
Speaker 3: been ordering journalists to do under his watch.
21:39
Speaker 1: I know, it's lovely delicious, isn't it. They throw the
21:41
Speaker 1: current affairs treatment back at him, which credit. Actually he
21:44
Speaker 1: handled it like you should in those situations, absolutely stony face,
21:47
Speaker 1: don't register, don't do anything. Certainly don't touch the camera.
21:52
Speaker 3: But you know, unlike Peter Costello, because when Lea went
21:55
Speaker 3: after him, he did touch the camera.
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Speaker 1: But it was even contrast a terrific exercised by Liam.
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Speaker 1: I loved it. I think everybody loved the iron of it.
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Speaker 1: But let's hope Channel nine deals with this properly and
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Speaker 1: quickly and just gets this, puts this whole thing to bed.
22:11
Speaker 1: And if he's responsible for underworld behavior, let's see he's bought.
22:16
Speaker 1: You know that he's brought to account for that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they have been doing a report by an
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Speaker 3: independent firm, so that is coming up still. But again,
22:24
Speaker 3: great work by Liam Mendy, such an excellent journalist. All right,
22:28
Speaker 3: Nick Kata, Joe Hildebrand, thank you both so much for
22:30
Speaker 3: joining me. Well, now let's turn it to the US now,
22:34
Speaker 3: because it seems like Donald Trump is calling back the
22:37
Speaker 3: lead at least in the New York Times latest national poll.
22:41
Speaker 3: This is a boost to the former President's campaign ahead
22:43
Speaker 3: of his debate with Kamala Harris, which will be Tuesday
22:46
Speaker 3: local time in the US Wednesday morning our time. Look,
22:50
Speaker 3: the same survey show that twenty eight percent of likely
22:53
Speaker 3: voters said they still needed to know more about Kamala Harris. Well,
22:57
Speaker 3: this is a bad sign for the Democratic let's bring
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Speaker 3: it now. Sky News contributor Kosha Gata Kosher great to
23:04
Speaker 3: see you again. Look, Trump was ahead in the national polling,
23:08
Speaker 3: but not in the crucial swing states. So take us
23:11
Speaker 3: through what this means.
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Speaker 10: So the momentum definitely seems to be picking up for
23:18
Speaker 10: him and in his favor, where it's only a couple
23:20
Speaker 10: of short weeks after the DNC where you would expect
23:23
Speaker 10: to see a bounce for Kamala and it's all but dissipated.
23:27
Speaker 10: And for him also, just to step back and talk
23:30
Speaker 10: about the big picture, for him to be up even
23:32
Speaker 10: one point or one to two points in the national
23:34
Speaker 10: poll is dramatically higher than where he was at this
23:37
Speaker 10: exact point in twenty twenty and twenty sixteen, which is
23:39
Speaker 10: something important to remember because Republican candidates are always behind
23:43
Speaker 10: in the national pol but then they overperform with the
23:45
Speaker 10: electoral College. So this is good news. He's in a
23:47
Speaker 10: very good position going into the debate in the swing states,
23:51
Speaker 10: particularly if you look at some of the cross tabs
23:53
Speaker 10: for those who like to nerd out into the weeds
23:56
Speaker 10: with these pools. He's doing really well with his base,
23:59
Speaker 10: the white working class order BIS, where he routed a
24:01
Speaker 10: little bit of a support had routed it in twenty twenty.
24:03
Speaker 10: He seems to be pulling them back and honor demographics
24:06
Speaker 10: like black men seem to be holding strong with him.
24:08
Speaker 10: They haven't really shifted towards Kamala Harris despite that. So
24:12
Speaker 10: all in all, I think he's in the best position
24:14
Speaker 10: that he could be in going into tomorrow's debt.
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Speaker 3: Look, there's been a lot in the news about the
24:19
Speaker 3: endorsement by the Cheneese for Kamala Harris. Look, they are
24:23
Speaker 3: an influential Republican family. But at least Cheney has been
24:26
Speaker 3: an enemy of Trumps for a while. She was on
24:29
Speaker 3: the January sixth Select Committee. She came out against him
24:33
Speaker 3: on the Sunday shows in the US have a look.
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Speaker 18: You know, Donald Trump presents a challenge and a threat
24:40
Speaker 18: fundamentally to the Republic. We see it on a daily basis.
24:45
Speaker 18: Somebody who was willing to use violence in order to
24:49
Speaker 18: attempt to seize power to stay in power.
24:53
Speaker 3: And those comments came after her father, Dick Cheney, released
24:56
Speaker 3: a statement saying, in our nations at two hundred and
24:59
Speaker 3: forty eight years history, there's never been an individual who's
25:02
Speaker 3: a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. He
25:05
Speaker 3: can never be trusted with power again, Kosha Yet Kamala
25:09
Speaker 3: Harris welcome the praise.
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Speaker 2: She said, this was an honor.
25:13
Speaker 3: But didn't the Democrats hate Dick Cheney for his role
25:16
Speaker 3: in the Iraq wois and this a bit inconsistent.
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Speaker 10: Yes, you're spot on.
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Speaker 19: There was.
25:22
Speaker 10: I think social media was a blaze with people retweeting
25:25
Speaker 10: clips by prominent Democrats who are very very critical of
25:29
Speaker 10: the Bush Cheney era and that chapter and in terms
25:32
Speaker 10: of what it meant for foreign policy and US involvement
25:34
Speaker 10: in these wars. Look, I think talk about an inversion
25:37
Speaker 10: where these endorsements by and large don't really move the
25:41
Speaker 10: needle in it for the large part in a dramatic way,
25:43
Speaker 10: but they are important signals in terms of the pulse
25:46
Speaker 10: of the electorate. And now we're sitting at a time
25:49
Speaker 10: where Kennedy Democrats are for Trump and Bush Cheney Republicans
25:53
Speaker 10: are for Harris, which is something that even four years
25:55
Speaker 10: ago might have been unfathomable for so many people. Insofar
25:59
Speaker 10: as you know what the is going to do, it
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Speaker 10: really depends on how much is going to move the base.
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Speaker 10: I don't think any of these endorsements are doing anything
26:05
Speaker 10: to change the minds of the base of either party.
26:07
Speaker 10: But what are they going to do for Independence? I
26:09
Speaker 10: would think that a Kennedy endorsement tool see Gabbard and
26:12
Speaker 10: even non political figures like Elon Musk, you could see
26:15
Speaker 10: how that could move the needle a little bit for
26:17
Speaker 10: Independence in favor of Trump, Whereas I just don't think
26:20
Speaker 10: that a chain the endorsement one where the other is
26:22
Speaker 10: going to change too many independent minds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Elon Musk, Donald Trump has confirmed that
26:27
Speaker 3: there'll be what he calls a Government Efficiency Commission if
26:31
Speaker 3: he wins in November, and he's chosen Elon Musk behind
26:35
Speaker 3: the idea to lead it. Musk has commented on this
26:39
Speaker 3: on his platform X and he said that he was
26:42
Speaker 3: looking forward to serving America if the opportunity arises. So
26:46
Speaker 3: what do you think of this appointment by Trump of
26:50
Speaker 3: Elon Musk if he wins the presidency.
26:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, commissions are not magic wands. They
26:58
Speaker 10: have their limitation in terms of how much change can effectuate. However,
27:01
Speaker 10: the big picture is everybody knows that there is massive
27:04
Speaker 10: government inefficiency all around the world, and the US is
27:07
Speaker 10: at the top of that heap with thirty six trillion
27:09
Speaker 10: dollars in debt, huge bloat. And then on the flip side,
27:12
Speaker 10: you think that entrepreneurs and successful entrepreneurs are inherently very
27:16
Speaker 10: very efficient because they're used to bootstrapping things and doing
27:19
Speaker 10: they're inherently geared to do much more with much less.
27:22
Speaker 10: So I think in that sense it's a good thing. Also,
27:25
Speaker 10: bringing in outside blood, if you will, people that aren't
27:28
Speaker 10: Washington creatures, havn't come up through politics is generally a
27:31
Speaker 10: good thing. Getting more fresh thinking from the outside inn
27:34
Speaker 10: That was a hallmark of Trump himself and his campaign
27:36
Speaker 10: in twenty sixteen. Maybe got lost a little bit in
27:39
Speaker 10: twenty twenty, so I think this is sort of a
27:40
Speaker 10: return to what one of his hallmark features was of
27:44
Speaker 10: bringing in outsiders who can shift the.
27:46
Speaker 16: Thinking a little bit.
27:47
Speaker 10: And I think it's netnet a good thing.
27:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed a smart move at the very least.
27:51
Speaker 3: All right, Koshagada, great to see you again.
27:53
Speaker 2: Thank you.
27:54
Speaker 3: Now still to come in the show, world famous spiritual
27:57
Speaker 3: guru Deepak Chopra.
27:59
Speaker 2: He's going to join us. I'm going to ask him
28:01
Speaker 2: how to find happiness, what.
28:02
Speaker 3: The meaning of life is, just some simple questions, and
28:06
Speaker 3: how we cope with the rise in anti Semitism. Let's
28:09
Speaker 3: see what he has to say about that. Plus the
28:11
Speaker 3: Green stoop to a new low with local candidates using
28:14
Speaker 3: her must symbols on their election material and pro Palestinian
28:18
Speaker 3: protesters have targeted Jewish school That and more in Labour's
28:23
Speaker 3: war on the RBA. With my Political panel next, all right,
28:31
Speaker 3: lots more to get through tonight. My interview with d
28:33
Speaker 3: Pak Chopra still coming up in the show, but right now,
28:36
Speaker 3: let's get straight into it with our Monday political panel.
28:39
Speaker 3: Bill Shorten's former chief of staff Cameron Milner and John
28:42
Speaker 3: Howard's former advisor David Gazard. Welcome to you both. Look
28:47
Speaker 3: Parliament back today politicians in Canberra. The economy and cost
28:51
Speaker 3: of living crisis dominated question time. The Coalition accused Labor
28:56
Speaker 3: of bullying the RBA.
28:58
Speaker 2: A quick look at that treasure.
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Speaker 8: Why does the alban Easy Labor government thinks it's acceptable
29:03
Speaker 8: to bully the independent RBA in this way when all
29:06
Speaker 8: they're doing is cleaning up Labour's economic mess.
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Speaker 6: First of all, the governor of the Reserve Bank doesn't
29:11
Speaker 6: consider it the way that the Deputy Leader has said.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is clearly Cameron, where the political debate will
29:19
Speaker 3: be ahead of the next election on the economy, on
29:22
Speaker 3: the cost of living crisis. How do you think both
29:24
Speaker 3: sides handled this today?
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Speaker 20: Well, I think it was quite good from obviously the coalition,
29:30
Speaker 20: but Labour's being reactive. Labor's backed into a corner and
29:34
Speaker 20: is becoming abusive. I mean the Prime Minister abused the
29:36
Speaker 20: resources sector today, but can I call it out? I
29:39
Speaker 20: mean Wayne Swan's attack on the first female governor of
29:42
Speaker 20: the RBA last Friday was just appauling Shari. He uses
29:45
Speaker 20: gendered violent terms like a punch in the face. He's
29:48
Speaker 20: got form on this. When Gail Kelly, who was a
29:50
Speaker 20: Westpac CEO, raised interest rates, he said it was a
29:53
Speaker 20: slap in the face. I mean these are terms which
29:55
Speaker 20: are domestic violence tropes, slap and punch. I mean, this
29:59
Speaker 20: guy's discussed it despicable. He only turns nasty with women though,
30:03
Speaker 20: when men have the same roles and do the same things,
30:04
Speaker 20: like you know, Governor Lowe said the same thing about
30:06
Speaker 20: interest rates that the Governor bull had.
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Speaker 5: Said the other day. No attack there.
30:10
Speaker 20: But when it's a woman in a senior role, Wayne
30:12
Speaker 20: Swan unleashes and it doesn't deserve to be the party
30:15
Speaker 20: president any longer if you can't keep up with where
30:18
Speaker 20: the society has moved. Because it wasn't acceptable fifteen years ago,
30:21
Speaker 20: it was acceptable five days ago.
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Speaker 5: Shari.
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Speaker 20: You can't attack women in positions of power, and that's
30:25
Speaker 20: what Wayne Swan does regrettably.
30:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting take on this because we have
30:30
Speaker 3: seen that Labour figures have been attacking the Irba governor
30:34
Speaker 3: for not cutting rates, but they did attack Peel low
30:38
Speaker 3: the former governor as well over the rate rises and
30:43
Speaker 3: for giving misleading advice to the electorates. So, you know,
30:46
Speaker 3: I take your point about Wayne Swan and the use
30:48
Speaker 3: of his words, the choice of words.
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Speaker 5: That the language Shari. It's the language that.
30:53
Speaker 3: Hadn't occurred to me because this has been a consistent
30:56
Speaker 3: you know, leaf at it out of Labour's playbook. David
30:59
Speaker 3: Gazar to attack the IBA governors, hasn't it, rather than
31:03
Speaker 3: look at what they're doing themselves.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, the time on a tradition in this would be
31:10
Speaker 21: have to go to the electra or to borrowers to
31:15
Speaker 21: say shop around to get a better deal out of
31:17
Speaker 21: your bank, demand a better deal out of your private
31:20
Speaker 21: retail bank. Not to attack the RBA, because the government
31:26
Speaker 21: has the key relationship with the RBA in its charter.
31:30
Speaker 21: So the Treasurer would have signed a letter to the
31:35
Speaker 21: RBA governor whom he appointed, Michelle Bullock, that said, we
31:39
Speaker 21: want you to keep inflation between in the band of
31:42
Speaker 21: two to three percent. Now, that's her primary job, that's
31:46
Speaker 21: her only job, that's the job she takes most seriously,
31:50
Speaker 21: and central bank governors do. If Jim Chalmers really wants
31:53
Speaker 21: to change rates, he could write tomorrow to Michelle Bullock
31:57
Speaker 21: to say I've decided to change the the band, the
32:00
Speaker 21: acceptable band from two point zero to three point zero
32:04
Speaker 21: to two point five to three point five.
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Speaker 13: That's within his power to do it tomorrow.
32:09
Speaker 2: But that's cheating.
32:10
Speaker 3: You can't just you can't just change the official inflation band,
32:14
Speaker 3: though I mean that.
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Speaker 13: You most certainly can that you might be able.
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Speaker 2: To, but surely that's not the level at most which.
32:21
Speaker 13: It most certainly is Shari. You can change that tomorrow.
32:24
Speaker 21: That is the charter obligation the bank has, which is
32:28
Speaker 21: set by the government, between the Treasurer and the RBA governor.
32:33
Speaker 13: They could do it tomorrow. There's no point in.
32:36
Speaker 21: Challenging and attacking the RBA governor for doing something that
32:39
Speaker 21: you've asked her to do.
32:42
Speaker 3: And look, it seems like voters aren't buying into Labour's
32:46
Speaker 3: attack line against the Central Bank anyway.
32:48
Speaker 2: I spoke earlier in the.
32:49
Speaker 3: Show about the Herald's Resolve Political Monitor poll that shows
32:53
Speaker 3: that a majority agree that the government is responsible for
32:56
Speaker 3: bringing inflation down. Thirty seven percent agree that the Liberals
33:00
Speaker 3: are better at economic management.
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Speaker 2: This is a key issue, cameren.
33:04
Speaker 3: What does this poll tell you about Labour's chances at
33:07
Speaker 3: the next election given this is the critical issue for
33:11
Speaker 3: every family.
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Speaker 5: I agree with David's comment before.
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Speaker 20: I mean the government owns the RBA agenda, and the
33:18
Speaker 20: government went out to the last election and owned the
33:20
Speaker 20: cost of living agenda. I mean they promises the two
33:22
Speaker 20: hundred seventy five dollars power cut, they promised a cost
33:25
Speaker 20: of living war and instead we've got eleven interest rate
33:28
Speaker 20: rises later, we've got the worst cost of living crisis
33:31
Speaker 20: on our hands. Our terms of wages relative everything else
33:35
Speaker 20: is going backwards compared to the rest of the world,
33:37
Speaker 20: all on Albanize's watch. So a little wonder that voters
33:40
Speaker 20: who are living through this nightmare are blaming Albanese and
33:43
Speaker 20: labor rather than other people for the cost of living crisis.
33:46
Speaker 20: So resolve, I think you know it shouldn come as
33:48
Speaker 20: any great surprise, and Labour's looking down the barrel of
33:51
Speaker 20: guaranteed only a minority government and worse, potentially a loss
33:54
Speaker 20: at the next federal election.
33:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the only one who says, and it's interesting
33:58
Speaker 3: that you're a Labour figure only one who says there
34:01
Speaker 3: could be a potential loss. David Gazardo, I want to
34:03
Speaker 3: ask you, given the anemic state of the economy, given
34:07
Speaker 3: inflation is persistent, shouldn't the Liberals be further ahead in
34:11
Speaker 3: this measure in the polling that we see.
34:15
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I think it's an interesting question, Charie.
34:19
Speaker 21: I think it comes down to whether or not the
34:22
Speaker 21: coalition is prepared to reveal its hand from a policy
34:26
Speaker 21: perspective this far out from an election I noticed Angus Taylor,
34:29
Speaker 21: the Shadow Treasurer, saying a week or so ago that
34:33
Speaker 21: he'd come up with one hundred billion dollars in savings.
34:36
Speaker 21: No doubt that is going to fund some of the
34:39
Speaker 21: promises that coalition have between now in the election. It's
34:43
Speaker 21: always a tactical and strategic decision on when you release
34:46
Speaker 21: your policies.
34:49
Speaker 13: If you do it.
34:49
Speaker 21: Now, you get the government to you give the government
34:53
Speaker 21: the opportunity to work them over with the backing of
34:58
Speaker 21: treasury defined sort of loopholes or whatever they think, and
35:01
Speaker 21: he in raids a campaign against them.
35:03
Speaker 13: So it's become more of a.
35:08
Speaker 21: Campaign strategy, release set later when people are starting to
35:11
Speaker 21: wake up and take notice during the campaign. So I
35:15
Speaker 21: think this will change as we get close to the election.
35:19
Speaker 21: Is sort of the short answer of what I'm trying
35:21
Speaker 21: to say.
35:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we also saw this week Bill Shorten announced
35:25
Speaker 3: his resignation just a few days ago.
35:27
Speaker 2: He always wanted to be prime minister. Everyone knows that.
35:30
Speaker 3: Look, I have to ask you, Cameron Milner, you're a
35:32
Speaker 3: close friend of Bill Shorten's who served as his chief
35:35
Speaker 3: of staff. Why did Shorton choose to leave at this
35:38
Speaker 3: point in time? And does it indicate a loss of
35:42
Speaker 3: confidence in the Albaneze government.
35:46
Speaker 5: Well, I think Bill, obviously I wishing well.
35:48
Speaker 20: I wish he was Prime Minister of Australia, like a
35:50
Speaker 20: lot of people I think around the table. Look, I
35:53
Speaker 20: wish him well in terms of the role of vice chancellor.
35:55
Speaker 20: That he's going to go on to the University Camberra.
35:56
Speaker 20: He'll do really well there. But I think the comments
35:59
Speaker 20: in the weekend papers show I mean someone said that
36:01
Speaker 20: you shortens departure was the biggest vote of no confidence
36:04
Speaker 20: in the Albanese government. So even if builded one send
36:07
Speaker 20: that message, people are interpreting that way and Albanese has
36:10
Speaker 20: got to answer the charge.
36:12
Speaker 2: And so why did he leave? Now, what do you
36:14
Speaker 2: think this timing was about.
36:17
Speaker 5: I think it's met explained.
36:18
Speaker 20: I mean, obviously, to become the vice chancellor of the Unisity
36:20
Speaker 20: of Canberra, it went through a vote. He had to
36:22
Speaker 20: obviously then announce that he was leaving and taking up
36:24
Speaker 20: that role in February. So the timing was the timing
36:27
Speaker 20: of the vice chancellor side of things, not the political cycle.
36:29
Speaker 20: But nevertheless, losing such a strong talent from the front
36:33
Speaker 20: bench leaves a huge deficit for Albanese who's not exactly
36:36
Speaker 20: blessed with strong advocates for his cause.
36:39
Speaker 3: No, indeed, all right, just before we go, let's turn
36:42
Speaker 3: to the Greens, and The Australian reported today that local
36:45
Speaker 3: government Green's candidates in one of Sydney's most populous Jewish
36:48
Speaker 3: areas are putting their names to pro Palestinian pledge cards
36:53
Speaker 3: adorned with inverted triangles that are closely associated with her MASS.
36:59
Speaker 3: David GAZARTI concerned that we have political hopefuls out there
37:02
Speaker 3: who are using such violent imagery.
37:06
Speaker 21: Most certainly, I mean, I think it's completely disgraceful. Within
37:12
Speaker 21: all of our five ICE partners that are signed up
37:16
Speaker 21: to our security agreement, all of them, if not all
37:19
Speaker 21: of them, describe MASS as a prescribed terror organization. It's
37:25
Speaker 21: not too long ago that Labor was urging the Coalition
37:29
Speaker 21: to put one nation last on it's how to vote
37:32
Speaker 21: cards because Pauline Hansen had had the audacity to challenge
37:37
Speaker 21: the orthodoxy on immigration and question the high level of immigration.
37:42
Speaker 21: Julian Lisa has sort of run the case for Labor
37:46
Speaker 21: to put the Greens last for supporting an organization that
37:52
Speaker 21: is known around the world for it's it's it's it's
37:56
Speaker 21: strategical strategic attacks on Israel, Israel as a state of terror.
38:02
Speaker 21: I'm to have this, you know, in the body politic
38:07
Speaker 21: in Australia bewilders me and to not really understand how
38:12
Speaker 21: more people aren't jumping up and down about it.
38:15
Speaker 13: It actually frightens me.
38:17
Speaker 3: I'll completely agree, and I agree the pressure needs to
38:20
Speaker 3: be put on labor to preference Green's last. They keep
38:23
Speaker 3: talking about the Greens, Well, what are they going to.
38:25
Speaker 2: Do about it?
38:26
Speaker 3: All right, David Gazard Cameron Mill, thank you both again
38:29
Speaker 3: for your time tonight.
38:31
Speaker 2: Now after the.
38:32
Speaker 3: Break, oh, I should just add that those local Greens candidates,
38:35
Speaker 3: they claim that that inverted triangle represents an upside down watermelon.
38:41
Speaker 3: They say that it's not the hamas symbols, So got
38:43
Speaker 3: to give them their say for legal reasons. Now after
38:47
Speaker 3: the break, Deepak Chopper joins me live with his outlook
38:50
Speaker 3: on the mental health crisis, what we should do about
38:52
Speaker 3: the social unrest in the world and how to find happiness.
38:56
Speaker 3: That interview coming up after this quick break.
39:03
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
39:05
Speaker 3: Well, every day it's becoming clearer that we're living at
39:08
Speaker 3: a time of great unrest and division, weak political leaders
39:12
Speaker 3: are failing to ensure there's peace and social cohesion. We
39:16
Speaker 3: talk about this every night from a national security perspective,
39:20
Speaker 3: but it's just becoming more and more depressing.
39:22
Speaker 2: And if you're like me, it just makes.
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Speaker 3: Me worried for what the future looks like, not just
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Speaker 3: for our children, but our grandchildren and their grandchildren. It's
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Speaker 3: why I was keen to speak with spiritual icon and
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Speaker 3: legend Deepak Chopra tonight and I'm pleased to say he
39:38
Speaker 3: joins me live now from New York. Deepak, Welcome to
39:42
Speaker 3: the program and to Australian television. We saw we saw
39:47
Speaker 3: an emotional interview with Australian billionaire James Packer on television
39:52
Speaker 3: last night. He's a billionaire, but he struggles with mental
39:55
Speaker 3: health battles like many many people do around the world.
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Speaker 3: What advice can you give on mental health and on
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Speaker 3: finding happiness?
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Speaker 19: Well, right now, there's a lot of research that actually
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Speaker 19: shows what makes people happy. And there's an equation known
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Speaker 19: as the happiness equation. And here it is H is
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Speaker 19: equal to S plus C plus v H for happiness.
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Speaker 19: It stands for your set point in the brain for
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Speaker 19: happiness or unhappiness. It's primarily your attitude. Do you look
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Speaker 19: at the world as a problem or do you look
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Speaker 19: at the world as an opportunity. That's fifty percent of
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Speaker 19: your happiness experience every day. Ten percent comes from what
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Speaker 19: is called conditions of life H plus S plus C.
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Speaker 19: Conditions of life is money mainly, and it adds about
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Speaker 19: ten percent to your happiness equation every day. If you
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Speaker 19: win the lottery, you'll be very happy instantly. If you've
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Speaker 19: become a billionaire in six months, you'll plito. In one year,
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Speaker 19: you return to your set point. And the last part
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Speaker 19: of the equation is the voluntary choices we make every day.
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Speaker 19: We make two kinds of choices, one for personal pleasure shopping, sex, food,
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Speaker 19: entertainment to make us happy for a short period time.
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Speaker 19: But then there's a deeper fulfillment that comes if you
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Speaker 19: have meaning and purpose in your life, and if you
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Speaker 19: know how to make other people happy through affection, attention, appreciation,
41:28
Speaker 19: and acceptance. That, in short, is the research on happiness.
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Speaker 2: That is a beautiful answer. Deepack.
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Speaker 3: I spoke to you personally not long after the October
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Speaker 3: seven terror attacks, But since then the unrest in the
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Speaker 3: world has only escalated. We're seeing angry and aggressive protests, violence,
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Speaker 3: a massive rise, and anti semitism, hatred towards Jews, and
41:51
Speaker 3: many of us are feeling very bleak about the future.
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Speaker 3: We worry about the life of our future generations, that
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Speaker 3: it'll be overrun with hate and racism. Can you give
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Speaker 3: us some advice at this difficult time, goibally, Yes.
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Speaker 19: You know, what we see currently is medieval minds and
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Speaker 19: modern capacities for warfare and death, including drones and weaponization
42:18
Speaker 19: of even artificial intelligence, cyber hacking, et cetera.
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Speaker 22: So we have leaders who are only.
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Speaker 19: Interested in power mongering, cronaism, corruption, and influence peddling.
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Speaker 22: And unfortunately this is a very bad combination.
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Speaker 19: And what I am trying to do with groups across
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Speaker 19: the world is create a basis for both prosperity and peace.
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Speaker 19: When you link peace to prosperity for all sides, then
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Speaker 19: there's a chance. And you know, right now, the main
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Speaker 19: appeal should be to the younger generation, the gen Z,
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Speaker 19: who are very pointed by the way we are conducting
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Speaker 19: ourselves in the world. I have a program called the
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Speaker 19: Soul of Leadership, which I've taught at various business schools
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Speaker 19: in the United States that links leadership to shared vision,
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Speaker 19: complementing each other's strengths, finding the unique diversity that is
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Speaker 19: good for any ecosystem, and creating a spiritual an emotional bond.
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Speaker 19: And we're using technology. We have chat pots. We have
43:31
Speaker 19: a site called never Alone dot Love that you can
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Speaker 19: go to where we encourage communities to create peace and prosperity,
43:40
Speaker 19: both online and off communities.
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Speaker 3: It's a difficult problem, Deepak. You just mentioned technology. You
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Speaker 3: personally are embracing AI. You've got a new book on
43:54
Speaker 3: AI out. But you've also recorded and this is actually
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Speaker 3: quite incredible. You've recorded your voice giving advice on various
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Speaker 3: different topics.
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Speaker 2: There's a website. I tried it this morning.
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Speaker 3: Actually you can ask any question to depac Chopper of
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Speaker 3: any time of the day and your recorded answer comes back.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us how this works?
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Speaker 3: And you know how why you love AI when it
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Speaker 3: comes to spirituality.
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Speaker 19: So I've written on ninety seven books over the last
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Speaker 19: thirty years on things like health, personal growth and spirituality.
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Speaker 19: And the website is called digitaldepok dot ai, which does
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Speaker 19: not loosin it because it's called a RAG system. RAG
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Speaker 19: stands for retrieval, augmentation generation, which means looks at the
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Speaker 19: latest information on health, on well being. You can use
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Speaker 19: as a personal confidante, you can use it as a
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Speaker 19: health coach, you can use it as a research assistant,
44:58
Speaker 19: and you can use it as spiritual guide.
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Speaker 22: And the book is right behind me.
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Speaker 19: It's called digital Parma, or to use AI to elevate
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Speaker 19: both personal well being and spiritual intelligence.
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Speaker 22: Goes along with the website. Right now.
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Speaker 19: You can ask the questions in English, Arabic, Spanish, and Hindi,
45:19
Speaker 19: but soon in Chinese as well, and other languages European
45:23
Speaker 19: languages as well, So the opens again to reach a
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Speaker 19: critical mass for a more peaceful, just sustainable, healthier and
45:31
Speaker 19: joyful world.
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Speaker 22: At least that's intention.
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Speaker 2: No, it was amazing.
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Speaker 3: I asked it, you know, how to stop feeling guilty
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Speaker 3: about coming into work every night for my children. It
45:41
Speaker 3: gave me, and you gave me an answer. It was
45:43
Speaker 3: AI was amazing.
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Speaker 22: But I hope Digital depuked up.
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Speaker 2: It was amazing. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, the other question I actually put into your AI
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Speaker 3: website today and it gave me an answer that took
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Speaker 3: less than thirty seconds to read, is what is the
45:58
Speaker 3: meaning of life?
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Speaker 2: Deepak Chock right, what's the meaning of life?
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Speaker 14: You know.
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Speaker 19: Ultimately the meaning is what you give it. But the
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Speaker 19: meaning of life is the progressive expansion of happiness, enjoy
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Speaker 19: and love, compassion, truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, and ultimately the
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Speaker 19: loss of the fear of death if you get in
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Speaker 19: touch with your deeper self.
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine losing the fear of death.
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Speaker 3: That seems to be impossible, but we can all work
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Speaker 3: towards at Deepak chapter, wonderful to have you on the
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Speaker 3: show from New York tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: And if you want to see Deepak Chapper Live, He'll
46:34
Speaker 3: be in Australia in Sydney on the twenty second of November.
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Speaker 3: He'll be in Melbourne on the twenty fourth and for
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Speaker 3: tickets you can go to deepaklive dot com. And the
46:44
Speaker 3: book that he spoke about is called Digital Dharma. How
46:46
Speaker 3: AI can elevate spiritual intelligence and well being. Now after
46:51
Speaker 3: the break, pro Palestinian protesters targeted a Jewish primary school today, Well,
46:56
Speaker 3: how low can these low lives get? The w Premier
47:00
Speaker 3: needs to stand up to this disgraceful behavior.
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Speaker 2: The details after this break, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, just to end the show, a Jewish school in
47:13
Speaker 3: Perth today was targeted by pro Palestinian protests.
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Speaker 2: There were about eight idiots.
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Speaker 3: Who turned up at the primary school this morning. I'm
47:21
Speaker 3: not going to name the school for security reasons, but
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Speaker 3: my team spoke to the principal today. She was highly
47:27
Speaker 3: disappointed by this. There was a community rabbi whose children
47:31
Speaker 3: actually attend the school.
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Speaker 2: He was there when police arrived. They told the group
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Speaker 2: to move on.
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Speaker 3: That the rabbi made the point that no one should
47:42
Speaker 3: be protesting on the doorstep.
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Speaker 2: Of any school. Children should be left out of this.
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Speaker 14: Now.
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Speaker 3: WA police issued a number of move on notices to
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Speaker 3: the protesters.
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Speaker 2: One man was arrested.
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Speaker 3: He's since been released without charge, pending further inquiries. But
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Speaker 3: we have to draw a line here. This is unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: These protesters can protest on the.
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Speaker 2: Streets as vile as they are, but there.
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Speaker 3: Are no circumstances where scaring school children is okay. Shame
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Speaker 3: on them and the WA Premier Roger Cook needs to
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Speaker 3: show leadership. He needs to call this out and make
48:20
Speaker 3: sure that everyone knows that if they turn up to
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Speaker 3: a school they will be immediately removed or arrested. Kids
48:29
Speaker 3: need to be left out of this conflict. How can
48:32
Speaker 3: adults behave so idiotically. All right, that's it from me.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's
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Speaker 3: Paul Murray.