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Credlin | 17 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, break to have your company. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Lots to talk about tonight. Let's start with that massive
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Speaker 2: win for common sense in the UK overnight the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 2: They're ruling unanimously that a woman is defined by her
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Speaker 2: biological sex at birth. This will have wide raging ratifications there.
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Speaker 2: But what are we going to have the same sort
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Speaker 2: of common sense into our laws in Australia. Senator Claire
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Speaker 2: Chandler coming up. So to my good friend Moira Deeming.
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Speaker 2: She joins me tonight and we catch up with her
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Speaker 2: big announcement today. That's about all the confusion over what
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Speaker 2: exactly is going on between Russia and Indonesia. It's astounding
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Speaker 2: to find out that Labor's refusing to brief the coalition.
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Speaker 2: This is a clear violation of the caretaker conventions and
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Speaker 2: blatant evidence to me that Labour's playing politics with national security.
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Speaker 2: Plus my weekly campaign Raps, Week three of the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Lots to unpack, including the telling questions the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: last night refused to answer in that ABC debate polls
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Speaker 2: two more poles and more poles are all over the shop.
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Speaker 2: It's not as cut and dry as some might think.
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Speaker 2: Labour's Milner joins me and another fiery day two on
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail, and didn't the PM get tetchy when
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Speaker 2: pushed on the Greens and negative gearing.
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Speaker 3: I have responded to that lots of times, asked again, boy,
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Speaker 3: you can ask you again.
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Speaker 2: You get the same answer, cranky pants. PM will stay
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Speaker 2: with that. Today was Labour's worst day on the campaign
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Speaker 2: and last night's efforts in the Leader's debate, well, that
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Speaker 2: was Peter Dutton's best. Is a coalition finally finding some
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Speaker 2: mojo with just two weeks to go now before polling day?
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Speaker 2: It certainly feels like that, doesn't it now? Will it
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Speaker 2: be enough though to see off Labor? We'll see. What's
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Speaker 2: clear is that with the unusually high soft vote, this
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Speaker 2: race is still anyone's, despite the Prime Minister thinking he's
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Speaker 2: already won, with reports today that he's already started talks
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Speaker 2: with the Independence women like Rebecca Sharky to potentially take
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Speaker 2: the Speaker's chair. I mean talk about Hubris. What made
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Speaker 2: the Dutton effort in last night's debate his best outing
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Speaker 2: so far as that he took the fight up to Labor.
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Speaker 2: If I had any criticism of his personal performance todate,
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Speaker 2: it's that the lips, well, they've not gone hard enough
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Speaker 2: the target. They've not taken Albanesi and his lies head
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Speaker 2: on and not landed. The body blows that you've gotta
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Speaker 2: land if you want to throw out a first term
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Speaker 2: government now key In. This was his line last night,
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Speaker 2: posing the question are you better off now than you
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Speaker 2: were three years ago? Because if the answers are asounding no,
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Speaker 2: and it's hard to see that it won't be no
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Speaker 2: for most voters than the Almanezy government should be shown
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Speaker 2: the door.
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Speaker 4: As we go to the third of May. People need
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Speaker 4: to reflect on what's happened in our country, in your
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Speaker 4: lives over the course of the last three years. And
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Speaker 4: as I said in my opening remarks, can you answer
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Speaker 4: the question are you better off today than you were
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Speaker 4: three years ago? And for the vast majority of Austrains
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Speaker 4: the answer is no.
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Speaker 2: Last night, also Albanies he found it harder to higher
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Speaker 2: than usual because my former sky On News Collie David
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Speaker 2: Spear is well. He simply didn't tolerate his empty spin.
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Speaker 2: Theables are the cheapest form of power. When will we
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Speaker 2: see our power bills come down.
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Speaker 1: They are.
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Speaker 3: Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest
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Speaker 3: form of power, not because of what we say, but
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Speaker 3: because of what the Australian Energy Market Operator says. Peter
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Speaker 3: Ray's gas gas is now thirteen dollars.
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Speaker 2: It was thirty dollars and when we came cheaper, when.
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Speaker 3: We came off, thirteen is cheaper than thirty.
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Speaker 2: When do we see the bills come down?
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Speaker 3: Well, what we need to do is to renewableoks.
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Speaker 2: Also, last night's debate found the Prime Minister once more
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Speaker 2: being tricky with the truth. He denied that his government
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Speaker 2: had modeled the impact of changing negative gearing and the
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax discount, the very policies that built shortened
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Speaker 2: had taken to the twenty nineteen election, and that many
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Speaker 2: Labor MPs still support. Again, to remind you, here is
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Speaker 2: Albanesi last night.
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Speaker 3: Under our public service we actually valued the public service
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Speaker 3: and we value them coming up with the ideas and
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Speaker 3: doing assessments.
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Speaker 2: That's what's happened. I have been very clear.
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Speaker 3: I have been very clear about what our position is
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Speaker 3: and why that is the case. Was it modeled, It
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Speaker 3: certainly wasn't commissioned by us to do so.
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Speaker 4: It was morteled by the government.
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Speaker 2: It was publicly, it's publicly you're what because that's not
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Speaker 2: what his own treasurer was forced to admit last year
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Speaker 2: is that has The Age newspaper reported on the twenty
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Speaker 2: fifth of September the Alminezy government and I quote was asked,
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Speaker 2: has asked Treasury for expert advice on possible changes to
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Speaker 2: negative gearing and the capital gains tax concessions. Now, when
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Speaker 2: asked about this a few hours later the same day
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Speaker 2: on Sydney Radio, Alban Eazy was like a rabbit in
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Speaker 2: the headlights.
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Speaker 5: It's a fair question to ask you whether you or
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Speaker 5: your treasurer has requested this this study.
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Speaker 1: Sure, and I've answered that you've asked.
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Speaker 5: You've answered it for yourself, but not for the treasurer.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not the treasurer.
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Speaker 2: Now. They bled on it for about forty eight hours,
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Speaker 2: but then came the treasurer's back down. Jim Chalmers concedes
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Speaker 2: said the ABC headlines that he asked Treasury for negative
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Speaker 2: gearing modeling. This morning, the Coalitions campaign spokesman James Patterson
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Speaker 2: didn't miss.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister says the government did not commission any
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Speaker 1: advice on negative gearing or capital gains tax changes. But
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Speaker 1: the Treasurer admitted last year that's exactly what he did.
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Speaker 1: If the Prime Minster will lie about this, what else
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Speaker 1: will he lie about?
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Speaker 2: So out the PN Wednesday to try and mop up
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Speaker 2: his mess from last night, trying to claim his government
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Speaker 2: had never worked up options to dump negative gearing, when
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Speaker 2: his own treasurer admitted that last year, and in the
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Speaker 2: usual albanezy way, he made it worse.
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Speaker 6: Do you rule out meeting the greens demands on negative gearing?
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Speaker 3: I reill out negotiating with the Greens. That's even further
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Speaker 3: for you. I have responded to that lots of times. Again,
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Speaker 3: Well you can ask you again, you get the same answer.
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Speaker 3: We have our housing policy that we are taking forward
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Speaker 3: the Greens. I am not negotiating with the Greens. We
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Speaker 3: make it very clear.
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Speaker 2: TETCHI I told you was tet She enter Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 4: Now, at least Bill Shorten was honest with the Australian
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Speaker 4: people in relation to negative gearing. The Labour Party has
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Speaker 4: always harbored a desire to abolish negative gearing, and their
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Speaker 4: partners in crime, the Greens, are open about it as well.
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Speaker 2: Now surely people's doubts about the Prime Minister's integrity must
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Speaker 2: be growing. I mean, this is the guy responsible for
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Speaker 2: claiming ninety something times before the last election that he
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Speaker 2: would cut your power bill by two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 2: five dollars per.
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Speaker 3: Year, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 4: a year.
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Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 5: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 3: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
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Speaker 3: average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.
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Speaker 2: What a conger line of liars. Well, clearly that didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister two is constant claiming that the Coalition
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Speaker 2: cut thirty billion from education at fifty billion from health.
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Speaker 2: Well look at the budget papers. That didn't happen either.
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Speaker 2: There's the endlessly repeated false thought about nuclear power costing
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Speaker 2: some six hundred billion. Well that's base. Look at my
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Speaker 2: stuff in the Australian today on a beat up from
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Speaker 2: a Labor Front organization. Then there was the fall from
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Speaker 2: the stage where we saw this. But the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: well he said this.
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Speaker 3: He stepped back one step. I didn't fall up the stage,
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Speaker 3: just one leg went down.
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Speaker 4: But I was sweet.
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Speaker 2: Now. I know voters have become cynical about politicians, but
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Speaker 2: I still don't think they want to liar in the lodge.
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Speaker 2: And this is why the election is still very winnable
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Speaker 2: for the Coalition, especially if like last night, they get
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Speaker 2: into the ring. So what is a woman, Well, an
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Speaker 2: adult biological female. It shouldn't be that hard, and for
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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of years it hasn't been hard until
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Speaker 2: the Marxist lefties infiltrated officialdom and we ended up with
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Speaker 2: this nonsense in the West that anyone can just self
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Speaker 2: identify and overnight, bingo, you are what you say you are.
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Speaker 2: In all of us have to defy reality to pretend
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Speaker 2: gender hasn't changed, when we know when gender has changed,
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Speaker 2: when we all know chromosomes haven't. Until last night, when
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Speaker 2: finally we've seen a etern of common sense, as the
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Speaker 2: full bench of the UK Supreme Court rejected the nonsense
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Speaker 2: that a man can be a woman as long as
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Speaker 2: he can hold up a piece of paper to say
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Speaker 2: he is. In the unanimous decision, all five judges of
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Speaker 2: Britain's top court declared that at law, a woman means
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Speaker 2: and I quote, a biological female.
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Speaker 7: The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms
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Speaker 7: women and sex in the Equality Act two thousand and
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Speaker 7: ten refer to a biological woman and biological sex.
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Speaker 2: So biological men who get a certificate saying they're female
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Speaker 2: are not legally women for the purposes of the British
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Speaker 2: Equality Act to allow their said, the judges would make
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Speaker 2: the law incoherent. Now, finally, an end to the nonsense
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Speaker 2: of chest feeding rather than breastfeeding, and an end to
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Speaker 2: offensive terms like person with a cervix instead of women,
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Speaker 2: or birth individual instead of mother, terms that render us
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Speaker 2: diminished as women. Now, as you know, this has been
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Speaker 2: something I've been rarely against for over seven years now,
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Speaker 2: ever since I started hosting this program, and long before
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Speaker 2: many others in the media were prepared to call out
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Speaker 2: the activists. Not all of them are on the left,
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Speaker 2: are they Just look at the now disgraced and remove
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Speaker 2: liberal party leadership in Victoria that expelled Moy Redeeming for
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Speaker 2: the crime of attending a rally to defend the biological
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Speaker 2: rights of women and girls. For almost two and a
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Speaker 2: bit years, I've stuck my neck out to defend Deeming
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Speaker 2: and she won big and a court action of her
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Speaker 2: own last year. As you know, she sends being reinstated
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Speaker 2: to the Liberal Party party room, and with the big
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Speaker 2: announcement today, I'll share that with you in a moment
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Speaker 2: when she joins me in the studio. But back to
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Speaker 2: last night's decision in the UK, this wasn't just a
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Speaker 2: win for women there. It was a big victory for
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Speaker 2: women like Moirato and all women around the world, as
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Speaker 2: our biological rights have now been upheld by one of
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Speaker 2: the world's most distinguished courts. On the back of this,
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Speaker 2: all similar self identification laws in Victoria, Queensland and elsewhere
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Speaker 2: must now be abolished. No man should be able to
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Speaker 2: self identify as a woman in this country and voters
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Speaker 2: must demand this of their politicians. Enough now is enough?
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the campaign. I'm going to
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Speaker 2: check you in the two camps. We'll start with Labor
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Speaker 2: joining me now. Political reporter Julia Bradley Well Julia, welcome
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister in Brisbane today. Standing there of course
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Speaker 2: with Jim Chalmers, we had a bit of a feature
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Speaker 2: of you. You. You certainly got under his skin a
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Speaker 2: bit awkward some of those questions. He certainly got pretty
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Speaker 2: tetchy last night.
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Speaker 8: Let's have another look, thank you after Albert retires.
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Speaker 2: Well, Peter.
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Speaker 6: Negative gearing and capital gains, tax concessions did really dominate
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Speaker 6: today on the campaign try for the privatist and also
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Speaker 6: the Treasurer who took the campaign to the sunshine state.
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Speaker 6: Queensland a bit of a psychological attack given that it
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Speaker 6: is the opposition leader's hometown. Queensland an interesting state for
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Speaker 6: the Labor Party though they only hold five out of
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Speaker 6: thirty seats, the Greens hold three, So today the Labor
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Speaker 6: Party very much on the attack. They were targeting seats
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Speaker 6: held by the Greens, but also the LMP, starting the
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Speaker 6: day off in Bonner that LMP seat within Brisbane.
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Speaker 9: They did previously hold it, which is why it is
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Speaker 9: on the target list.
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Speaker 6: But there was an interesting moment that I want to
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Speaker 6: bring you while campaigning in Brisbane this afternoon on this
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Speaker 6: whistle stop tour.
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Speaker 9: Now, campaigns, as you.
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Speaker 6: Know, are very highly controlled, but it was more of
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Speaker 6: an off the cuff moment that the Treasurer had with
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Speaker 6: a voter which stood out. He arrived at a pub
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Speaker 6: in Brisbane before an official media event to give an
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Speaker 6: update about unemployment figures when he had this candid moment
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Speaker 6: with a voter who said he wants Jim Chu to
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Speaker 6: succeed Anthony Albert Easy as prime minister.
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Speaker 2: To take a look really for sure?
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Speaker 5: Thank you noways, I hope you the next.
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Speaker 2: Video that's my cue, good luck after Albert retires. Tous, Sorry, Jules,
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Speaker 2: I jumped the gun with that little yarn. Yes, it
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Speaker 2: is very interesting, all those unscripted moments on the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll check it with you soon. Again, let's
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Speaker 2: go out of the opposition leader's movements, joining in our
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Speaker 2: senior political reporter treaty in Macintosh. Well, your bloke Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton stayed pretty much in your South Wales today after
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Speaker 2: that debate last night, Truty. What was his focus?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, on the offensive as well.
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Speaker 10: Peter Dutton today initially targeting that seat of Patterson in
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Speaker 10: the Hanto.
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Speaker 9: Speaking to liberal.
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Speaker 10: Sources today, they're quite confident about their chances.
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Speaker 9: The margin just around two percent.
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Speaker 10: Merrill Swanson, the laboring cumbent, has held the seat since
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Speaker 10: twenty sixteen, but liberal sources I spoke to today say
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Speaker 10: that the local candidate they've selected this time, Lawrence un Cliff,
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Speaker 10: actually has a good ground game, and that they believe
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Speaker 10: that means I'll be able to flip this seat.
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Speaker 9: I've heard that before. I'm sure you have too, Peterburn.
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Speaker 9: Let's see whether that translates.
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Speaker 10: We drove further south before coming back here to Sydney
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Speaker 10: to stop at the seat of Doe Bell.
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Speaker 9: It was a bit of a pre Easter visit for
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Speaker 9: mister Dutton alongside.
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Speaker 10: His wife Curly, stopping in having a look at the
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Speaker 10: chocolate's there, speaking to a small business.
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Speaker 9: That seat of Doe Bell more of a stretch goal.
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Speaker 10: You'd imagine around six percent margin, but it was much
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Speaker 10: tighter before the twenty twenty two election.
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Speaker 9: We saw that margin blow out.
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Speaker 10: I think the interesting thing, Peter now is how does
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Speaker 10: the opposition leader trailing in the polls cut through what
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Speaker 10: is essentially going to be a week of voters tuning
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Speaker 10: out of politics every day when I speak to voters here.
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Speaker 10: We've been doing it tonight and this morning. The people
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Speaker 10: don't want to talk about politics, they either don't have
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Speaker 10: an opinion at all despite having to vote, or if
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Speaker 10: they do, they don't seem to have any awareness of
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Speaker 10: the policy.
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Speaker 9: So that's actually a problem for mister Dutton, not being
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Speaker 9: the incumbent.
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Speaker 10: How does he actually get some attention for himself in
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Speaker 10: what's likely to be over the next seven days a
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Speaker 10: pretty quiet zone for Australian's actually tuning in the details.
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Speaker 2: Of this campaign. Look, you're not wrong, Treaty, and that's
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Speaker 2: exactly why the Prime Minister really wanted to run this
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Speaker 2: campaign and intersect both over Easter and Anzac Day. Will
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Speaker 2: catch sure you next week on the campaign trail. Have
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Speaker 2: lovely Easter. Let's go now to a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: other stories I want to get you across in joining
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Speaker 2: me the dynamic duo Senator for Tasmania Liberal Claire Chandlight
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Speaker 2: and Sky and news commentator Caroly Katsumbanos. Ladies welcome. Let's
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Speaker 2: start with negative gearing. You heard all of that there
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Speaker 2: from Trudy Peter Dutton today really made hay with the confusion,
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Speaker 2: but the PDM created last night perhaps even made worse
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Speaker 2: today on the whole issue of negative gearing. He pretended
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Speaker 2: last night, or claimed last night that they had not
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Speaker 2: been done any modeling via Treasury at the government's behest.
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Speaker 2: But that's something the Treasurer has already admitted. Tricky language
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Speaker 2: here with labor. Have a listen.
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Speaker 11: So you're not doing them now, but you could do
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Speaker 11: them next year the year after. There is no form,
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Speaker 11: there is no intent there is, well, there is there
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Speaker 11: is no intention to make this a part of any
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Speaker 11: of our policies in relation to housing.
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Speaker 2: No intention. Listen to this similar tricky language from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister not so long ago.
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Speaker 12: Well, I have no plans to do it.
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Speaker 3: It's not our policy. Well, we have no plans to
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Speaker 3: touch it or change negative gearing.
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Speaker 2: Well, Caroly, no intentions, no plans until they do. I
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Speaker 2: saw that with the Stage three tax cuts. These are
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Speaker 2: weasel words that politicians love to use, aren't.
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Speaker 13: They Look they sure I good evening, Peter and Claire
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Speaker 13: and to all the viewers. Look, the Prominence has got
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Speaker 13: form on this before he went to the last election,
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Speaker 13: saying he wasn't going to oppose the Stage three tax cuts,
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Speaker 13: as you said, and you know, as you said, the
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Speaker 13: power price is down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 14: It hasn't and may not have the intention at the moment.
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Speaker 13: But should he win the election, we know that with
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Speaker 13: the Greens that is one of their key policies to
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Speaker 13: get rid of negative gearing. What's he going to do
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Speaker 13: when he says we will not negotiate with the Greens,
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Speaker 13: What's he going to do? Send Jim Chalmers into negotiate
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Speaker 13: or Tanya plivosec or.
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Speaker 14: Something like that. He can't say that, but as you say,
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Speaker 14: they're very much weasel words as well.
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Speaker 13: But more importantly we at least the Greens have said
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Speaker 13: what they stand for and what they are actually going
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Speaker 13: to do. But at the end of the day, it
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Speaker 13: spells incredibly bad news for all Australians that have worked
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Speaker 13: hard that have an investment property. But it is also
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Speaker 13: very bad news for people that are currently renting because
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Speaker 13: it will mean a shortage of supply. And as you say,
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Speaker 13: how on earth can he not be in negotiations with
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Speaker 13: the Greens should he indeed win the election.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, and I remind people the last time this
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Speaker 2: happened that negative gearing was scrapped, it happened on a
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Speaker 2: Paul Ketty. He's scrapped it there's a terrible impact on
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Speaker 2: rental properties, a supply d up, and he put it
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Speaker 2: back in again. So let's be very clear about that.
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Speaker 2: It's been tried, it's been failed. Labor learned the lesson.
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Speaker 2: But you know, truly, Claire, if he wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: do it, he would just rule it out. And today
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Speaker 2: he was pushed and pushed and pushed the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and he refused to rule it out.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's that's exactly right, Peter, and I think we're
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Speaker 12: seeing a repeat performance from mister Albanezy in this campaign
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Speaker 12: to what we saw in the last where he promised
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Speaker 12: more than ninety times to reduce Australian's power bills by
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Speaker 12: two hundred and seventy five dollars and we're yet to
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Speaker 12: see that appear. So I think that this is just,
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Speaker 12: you know, the rerun of those broken promises from mister
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Speaker 12: Albanezi and the Labor government in this campaign, just the
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Speaker 12: same as we saw last campaign.
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Speaker 2: All right, Caroly, square this circle for me. Despite the
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Speaker 2: majority of Australian's voting note of the voice, we've still
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Speaker 2: got all this division foisted us. First, there's the fact
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Speaker 2: that's reported in the Australian Today Aboriginal Corporation and representing
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Speaker 2: traditional owners in Perth have stalled some sixteen much needed projects. Secondly,
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer funded ABC has created a new role elder
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Speaker 2: in residence. Warren Mundines thinks it's rubbish, the ABC refusing
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Speaker 2: to tell us if this is a paid or part
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Speaker 2: or full time role. We rejected this to visive nonsense,
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Speaker 2: and yet we're forced to live with it anyway.
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Speaker 13: We'll definitely well, I'll deal with the second second part. First,
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Speaker 13: do you think they'll have a conservative in residence at
20:34
Speaker 13: the ABC? Because they can tell you whether it's full time,
20:37
Speaker 13: part time or a paid role. That's exactly what they need.
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Speaker 14: And we keep being you know, this is a billion.
20:43
Speaker 13: Dollar organization of your money, my money and the Australian
20:47
Speaker 13: taxpayers money.
20:47
Speaker 14: That are funding.
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Speaker 13: And all we seem to realize is that, you know,
20:50
Speaker 13: we've had it come out this week that you know,
20:53
Speaker 13: they are meant to be they were meant to have
20:55
Speaker 13: done fake gunshots with the Heston Russell thing that we're
20:57
Speaker 13: added in and now we've seen with you know, the
20:59
Speaker 13: last post footage being added to that as well.
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Speaker 14: And it's an organization that.
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Speaker 13: Really does not serve yet does not serve the needs
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Speaker 13: of Australians.
21:08
Speaker 14: So where is the conservative voice.
21:10
Speaker 13: You've also got Warren Mundine, who is an Indigenous Aboriginal elder.
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Speaker 14: And he's almost been silenced on this.
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Speaker 13: He was very clear in saying that the woman who
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Speaker 13: has got the job is a friend of his, but
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Speaker 13: he doesn't think it's necessary and neither do I because
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Speaker 13: I do not think that the ABC is serving the
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Speaker 13: Australian public. Well, they're missing what they should be doing,
21:29
Speaker 13: which is that there's no balance in their reports.
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Speaker 14: It is a completely biased institution.
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Speaker 13: As I said, no conservative commentators on there at all,
21:37
Speaker 13: and all our money seems to do is fund these
21:39
Speaker 13: endless legal challenges from their journalists that seem to do
21:42
Speaker 13: tweets from their private accounts and expect the Australian taxpayer
21:45
Speaker 13: to pick up the bill. Onto the other thing that
21:47
Speaker 13: you said, I will tell you that in Perth almost
21:50
Speaker 13: all new Aboriginal projects need the heritage permission to do it,
21:54
Speaker 13: and this is just sad because it will just do
21:56
Speaker 13: a log jam of things. Before the last state election
21:59
Speaker 13: of a few weeks ago, their Aboriginal heritage laws was
22:03
Speaker 13: so unpopular that the labor state government had to shelve them.
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Speaker 14: But you can bet your bottom.
22:08
Speaker 13: Dollar that after May the third they will sort of
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Speaker 13: resurface and they'll be done again.
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Speaker 14: Because these people do not give up.
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Speaker 13: The activists do not give up in wanting to get
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Speaker 13: things that have been resoundly rejected by the Australian public through.
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Speaker 2: In another way, let's swing down to your homestate, Tazzy Claire,
22:28
Speaker 2: because the Seat of Lions pretty interesting. What's going on
22:32
Speaker 2: down there? The retiring federal MP. This is a Labor MP,
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Speaker 2: Brian Mitchell. He's about to get a windfall gain of
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars. It's more than the
22:43
Speaker 2: average jurneys are over an entire year. And this is
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Speaker 2: money that's normally paid to someone who loses their seat
22:49
Speaker 2: or loses their party pre selection. It's part of a
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Speaker 2: resettlement program. Now he reckons is inside the rules. Technically
22:58
Speaker 2: he may be. Did lose his pre selection? Did he?
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Speaker 2: He willingly stepped aside. He supported Rebecca White, she's the
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Speaker 2: current candidate for Labor, So why is he eligible for
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Speaker 2: this money?
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Speaker 12: Then, well, it's a pretty dodgy deal that's been fabricated
23:14
Speaker 12: by the Labor Party. Here, Peter, like you say, towards
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Speaker 12: the end of last year, Brian Mitchell said that he
23:21
Speaker 12: was more than happy to step aside and allow the
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Speaker 12: former Labor leader Rebecca White run as the Federal Member
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Speaker 12: for Lines and indeed, in her valedictory speech to the Parliament,
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Speaker 12: Miss White made many references to her friend Brian supporting
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Speaker 12: her candidacy. But what we now find out is that
23:39
Speaker 12: a pre selection process has taken place by the Labor
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Speaker 12: National Executive which the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi sits on,
23:48
Speaker 12: and mister Mitchell apparently put his hand up for this
23:50
Speaker 12: pre selection and it was competitive against Ms White. So
23:53
Speaker 12: I think there are some serious questions to ask here
23:56
Speaker 12: about what version of events is actually the truth.
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Speaker 2: Was mister Mitchell's.
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Speaker 12: Standing aside to allow Miss White to run or has
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Speaker 12: the Labor Party fabricated some kind of pre selection process
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Speaker 12: in consultation with the Prime Minister to enable mister Mitchell
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Speaker 12: to pocket this one hundred and fifteen thousand dollar tax
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Speaker 12: payer payout.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right to ask the question. Shut up, mate,
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Speaker 2: go quietly, will help you get your payout and you
24:22
Speaker 2: make it easy for Rebecca to get into the seat. Hey,
24:25
Speaker 2: just quickly clear, because you have been a warrior on
24:27
Speaker 2: the issue of biological women's rights for such a long time,
24:31
Speaker 2: you'll take on that landmark decision in the UK overnight.
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Speaker 12: I think it is an incredible decision that we've seen
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Speaker 12: in the UK overnight, Peter, and this judgment has made
24:42
Speaker 12: it abundantly clear that when anti discrimination legislation, when equality
24:47
Speaker 12: legislation was being written decades ago, the intention was that
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Speaker 12: this legislation would protect the biological rights of women and girls.
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Speaker 12: That is what this court in the UK has affirmed.
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Speaker 12: And it's really only in the last decade that we've
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Speaker 12: seen so many activists trying to alter what the word
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Speaker 12: woman means, and that's what is fundamentally undermined women's.
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Speaker 9: Sex based rights.
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Speaker 14: So I think for all of us the world.
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Speaker 12: Over, some really important lessons here to remember that when
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Speaker 12: these laws were originally drafted, the intention was rightly so
25:19
Speaker 12: to protect the women, the rights of women and girls
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Speaker 12: and ensure that women and girls aren't discriminated against, not
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Speaker 12: any of this activist stuff that we've seen happening in
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Speaker 12: the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: Well, good night, ladies. I could say that tonight, can't
25:34
Speaker 2: I we've had four women at the top of the show,
25:36
Speaker 2: there's not a quota in sight. Have a lovely easter.
25:39
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you both next week. We'll go
25:41
Speaker 2: to that issue. We'll go live for the UK after
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Speaker 2: the break, and we'll also talk to Morodmi. She's going
25:45
Speaker 2: to join me live here in the desk with some
25:47
Speaker 2: big news that's happened just as we speak. Welcome back,
25:55
Speaker 2: still to come the big question the PAN refused to
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Speaker 2: answer in last night debating We do a campaign rap
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Speaker 2: to with Cameron Milner butt first. Jubilant scenes outside the
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Speaker 2: UK Supreme Court following the five ZIP unanimous ruling for
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Speaker 2: the legal definition of a woman refers to biological sex
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Speaker 2: and nothing else. The long running legal battle was sparked
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Speaker 2: by a twenty eighteen lawrence Scotland which aimed to boost
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Speaker 2: the percentage of female representation on public boards. The campaign
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Speaker 2: Group for Women Scotland challenge the legislation as it included
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Speaker 2: in the definition of women transgender women jointing to me
26:32
Speaker 2: now to discuss this news Corps Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. Well, Sophie,
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Speaker 2: this has literally gone around the world, as you know.
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Speaker 2: What's the reaction been like? In the UK.
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Speaker 15: There was jubulence here outside the Supreme Court yesterday in London.
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Speaker 15: Every front page of the newspapers here in the UK
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Speaker 15: pretty much you're celebrating. This is a victory Peter for
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Speaker 15: women and it's been a seven year fight for the
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Speaker 15: women of Scotland fighting for gender based rights. So yesterday
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Speaker 15: we saw those scenes champagne popping, people celebrating in the
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Speaker 15: streets saying this is a massive victory for women and
27:13
Speaker 15: this is a decision that Peter is going to result
27:15
Speaker 15: in public bodies across the UK now furiously rushing to
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Speaker 15: rip up their documentation and rules around gender based rights
27:25
Speaker 15: in things such as prisons, hospitals, also around sporting competitions,
27:31
Speaker 15: who can enter sport. Now, this is a real protection
27:35
Speaker 15: for women and it's dominating news here where women are saying,
27:39
Speaker 15: finally we've got back our women only spaces as a
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Speaker 15: result of this unanimous decision by the five most senior
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Speaker 15: judges in the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no real room sof in that ruling
27:53
Speaker 2: it could not have been clearer. Five zip basically rules
27:56
Speaker 2: out any chimes of appeal. Although we are at the
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Speaker 2: highest court in the land, and as I heard the
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Speaker 2: ruling come down. Last night I remembered this ridiculous exchange
28:05
Speaker 2: involving the now PM kir Starmer back in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 5: Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix?
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Speaker 16: Well, it is something that shouldn't be said.
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Speaker 2: It is not right. But I might add in Victoria, no,
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Speaker 2: I see signs on the barst in relation to cervical
28:28
Speaker 2: cancer screening and it says women or people with a cervix.
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Speaker 2: So you know we are dumbed down in terms of
28:36
Speaker 2: how we are treated. In Australia we don't yet have
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Speaker 2: a decision like this, but in the UK, surely our
28:42
Speaker 2: Sophie self ID is dead.
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Speaker 8: Well it appears that way, Peter.
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Speaker 17: It is dead because they have said your biological birth
28:54
Speaker 17: is who you are and that's who you identify as,
28:57
Speaker 17: not if you change your gender later on in your
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Speaker 17: adulthood or childhood.
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Speaker 15: So again, this is a massive victory for women. And
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Speaker 15: one don't forget that Keirstarma did say a few years
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Speaker 15: back that ninety nine point nine percent of women do
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Speaker 15: not have penises. He's now had to turn around and
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Speaker 15: say this is a victory for common sense. So he's
29:17
Speaker 15: done a complete backflip, Peter, and this has been a
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Speaker 15: real dividing point for his party. But many would argue
29:24
Speaker 15: this is now a victory for common sense. Women can
29:27
Speaker 15: safely go back to their safe zones in hospitals, sporting
29:32
Speaker 15: groups and so forth and have their rights back that
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Speaker 15: many felt were taken away.
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Speaker 2: Al Elijah couldn't get better coming into EASTA thank you, Sophie.
29:44
Speaker 2: Let's go now to my next guest, who's no stranger
29:46
Speaker 2: to this issue. I'm interested in what it can mean
29:48
Speaker 2: for Australia and her big us today joining me in
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Speaker 2: my good friend Victorian Livell Moiradimi, Well, I have to say,
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Speaker 2: and I said this at the top of the show.
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Speaker 2: You can't help but feel vindicated with a decision like that.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely, And might I add that this was largely led
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Speaker 18: by women on the left. This is just a matter
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Speaker 18: of common sense and reality and I'm so proud of
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Speaker 18: all those women and my congratulations to them.
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Speaker 2: Of course, in Victoria, in Queens Lay and other jurisdictions
30:13
Speaker 2: in Australia, you can self identify as a woman being
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Speaker 2: a biological man literally overnight and get a piece of paper,
30:22
Speaker 2: wave it around and have access to women's spaces. Surely
30:25
Speaker 2: that's got to change.
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Speaker 18: It does. It's worse in our country because you don't
30:29
Speaker 18: even need a piece of paper, but any woman questioning
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Speaker 18: a man in their space now they can be prosecuted
30:36
Speaker 18: under the law. So I'm very excited about this and
30:39
Speaker 18: it absolutely has to change because it's just all about fairness.
30:43
Speaker 2: Well, you've got a new Liberal leader. You are back
30:45
Speaker 2: in the party room. Where are the Liberals in Victoria
30:48
Speaker 2: on this mora?
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Speaker 18: Well, Brad's been consistent in this area. He has always
30:53
Speaker 18: said that he, like all of us, doesn't have a
30:56
Speaker 18: problem with people living their lives the way that.
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Speaker 14: They want to.
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Speaker 18: But there are only two sexes and that's the position, and.
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Speaker 2: That will be a position. I presume that you'll lamplify
31:04
Speaker 2: going into the election. Absolutely, Well, let's talk to you
31:07
Speaker 2: to you about your big news. I think this is
31:11
Speaker 2: a key sign that Batton is determined to be a
31:15
Speaker 2: very different leader than we've seen the Liberal Party have
31:17
Speaker 2: in Victoria. Not content to win the seats you've got
31:20
Speaker 2: or hang on to the seats you've got, not content
31:23
Speaker 2: to go to the sort of old Liberal Party middle
31:25
Speaker 2: class hunting ground. You're leading up a new charge a
31:30
Speaker 2: new beached basically into Western Melbourne and the soathnoon you
31:35
Speaker 2: were named as the leader's representative for the Liberal Party
31:39
Speaker 2: in Western Melbourne. Congratulations, what's this need?
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Speaker 14: Thank you.
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Speaker 18: Basically, it's a matter of respecting the people in the
31:47
Speaker 18: West who have been exploited and taken for granted and
31:50
Speaker 18: forgotten by Labor and unfortunately not just by Labor, but
31:55
Speaker 18: they have been given.
31:55
Speaker 14: Up on by the Liberals as well.
31:57
Speaker 18: And Brad's different and i am so proud to have
32:01
Speaker 18: this role and I'm so grateful for it because I
32:03
Speaker 18: come from Labor and I come from the West, and
32:05
Speaker 18: I know that these are common sense people and they
32:07
Speaker 18: deserve to be fought for.
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Speaker 14: And that's what I'm going to do.
32:10
Speaker 2: What are some of the areas of key focus, because
32:12
Speaker 2: I know before you got into the Federal parliament State
32:15
Speaker 2: Parliament you were a teacher, but you grew up in
32:19
Speaker 2: that area and you were a local counselor too. Well.
32:22
Speaker 18: My husband grew up there longer, but I did live
32:23
Speaker 18: over there. So basically it's just ordinary common sense issues.
32:28
Speaker 14: I was a teacher.
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Speaker 18: Families are struggling, they are stuck on roads that are crumbling,
32:33
Speaker 18: the crime is out of control, over there, we're not
32:36
Speaker 18: getting a fair go. We don't.
32:37
Speaker 14: We pay so much in tax. There's not a reinvestment
32:40
Speaker 14: in the West. Everything out there is underfunded.
32:43
Speaker 18: We get promised new schools, new roads, knew everything at
32:46
Speaker 18: election time and then they never ever deliver.
32:49
Speaker 2: Just before we go, there's still media reports about your
32:52
Speaker 2: case with John Puzzuto. Where's all that up to?
32:56
Speaker 18: From my perspective, I won my case, I was exonerated.
33:00
Speaker 18: That secured my children's future and the rest of it. Honestly,
33:03
Speaker 18: that's just up to the courts now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So don't comment from you, all right, worried demmy,
33:07
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, congratulations all right. After the break,
33:10
Speaker 2: diverting the last night's Leaders debate, Peter Dutton back in
33:15
Speaker 2: the game, Cambra Milner will see what he thinks. Plus
33:17
Speaker 2: confusion to over the caretaker conventions that Labor is not honoring.
33:23
Speaker 2: That's next, welcome back. A lot of the messages on
33:29
Speaker 2: my phone from liberals who now feel the whole more
33:31
Speaker 2: redeeming John Posto thing is behind them. The party can
33:35
Speaker 2: unite and start taking the fight up at a state
33:37
Speaker 2: level to Labour. So world on bread batons still to come.
33:40
Speaker 2: How the activists are using the courts to avoid criminals
33:42
Speaker 2: being deported. That is still going on. But joining me
33:46
Speaker 2: now as he has every week of the campaign, and
33:48
Speaker 2: getting inside the back room of it all. It's only
33:50
Speaker 2: two long serving political operatives, as we both once were,
33:53
Speaker 2: can do formative stuff to labor. Leader Bill Shorten now
33:56
Speaker 2: director of Course of g XO Strategies, Cam Milner Cameron
34:00
Speaker 2: welcome leaders debates. I've got to be honest. We hate
34:05
Speaker 2: these debates, don't we. They chew up so much time.
34:10
Speaker 2: They are a high wire act. I mean, one wrong
34:13
Speaker 2: footed response can derail a whole day, as we saw
34:17
Speaker 2: today with a PM. Those really loose comments on negative gearing.
34:22
Speaker 2: If he's not going to contemplate changing the rules on
34:25
Speaker 2: investment properties, why the slippery language, Why does he just
34:29
Speaker 2: rule it out?
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Speaker 19: Well, I mean you would have thought out for the
34:32
Speaker 19: Albanese voice, the simplest word for him to know is
34:35
Speaker 19: the word no.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy who slips and slides
34:38
Speaker 5: all over politics all the time. And that's the problem
34:41
Speaker 5: I think voters have got. I mean, voters what these
34:43
Speaker 5: things ruled out? They don't want for negative gearing, they
34:46
Speaker 5: don't want some may the fourth plan that changes our
34:49
Speaker 5: tax raising. They just want to know an honest answer.
34:51
Speaker 5: That's why, as you and I both know it's chie
34:54
Speaker 5: to start. These leaders debates are all downside risk. There
34:56
Speaker 5: is no one who really wins these things, is only
34:58
Speaker 5: someone who loses them. Albany's lost last night because he
35:02
Speaker 5: opened up yet another avenue of attack on this sort
35:04
Speaker 5: of slip sliding nature that we know that week Elbow
35:07
Speaker 5: is up for because that's how he's governed.
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Speaker 2: Peter, how can he plausibly say I won't do a
35:15
Speaker 2: deal with the Greens. I won't negotiate with the Greens.
35:17
Speaker 2: I mean Julia Gillard did that. She signed, of course,
35:20
Speaker 2: a formal agreement. But I mean if he calls it
35:23
Speaker 2: a deal this side of the election, but has to
35:24
Speaker 2: have an alliance or a compact or a coalition, it'll
35:30
Speaker 2: be something else on the other side, because if he
35:32
Speaker 2: needs the Greens to hang on to the lodge, he'll
35:36
Speaker 2: do a deal with the devil. Wa'n't he?
35:38
Speaker 19: That's right?
35:39
Speaker 5: And Peter, it's all about holding onto the lodge, isn't it.
35:41
Speaker 5: It's not about what's best for the country or what
35:43
Speaker 5: the Labour government needs. It's about Elbow staying PM, and
35:47
Speaker 5: he'll pay the price of putting the Greens in power
35:49
Speaker 5: just to stay PM.
35:53
Speaker 2: What about all that stuff that went backwards and forwards
35:55
Speaker 2: last night with David Spears or the slippery language where
35:58
Speaker 2: Spears he just sort of kept poking at is under
36:00
Speaker 2: Valley about power prices. Why not do it, you know,
36:04
Speaker 2: Peter Beatty and say we got it wrong. Yes, they're
36:07
Speaker 2: much higher than we want them to be. I apologize
36:10
Speaker 2: Australia and trust me and I will get them down.
36:13
Speaker 2: Why not be straight?
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Speaker 5: Well, because he's such a wing character. I mean, he
36:18
Speaker 5: hasn't got the strength of purpose or strength of character
36:20
Speaker 5: actually whenever he's been wrong Peter. And that's the problem
36:23
Speaker 5: we've always had with Albow. So I'm not surprised at
36:26
Speaker 5: Albert slips and slides and office skates and doesn't say
36:30
Speaker 5: a straight word or a straight answer to voters or
36:32
Speaker 5: to David Spears in a question like that because he
36:35
Speaker 5: doesn't want to admit he's ever been wrong.
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Speaker 19: And that's part of the problem of the Elbow character.
36:40
Speaker 19: It's also how he unfortunately governs.
36:45
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the polls because they're coming thick
36:47
Speaker 2: and fast. We've got, you know, one or two a day.
36:49
Speaker 2: At the moment, both sides are course hurting when it
36:52
Speaker 2: comes to their primary vote share. Labor though at record lows,
36:55
Speaker 2: and this has been a trend for some time. With
36:57
Speaker 2: the accretion of the Greens into your or base preference flows.
37:02
Speaker 2: That's the only thing really here that's going to save labor.
37:06
Speaker 2: There's a poll out today that's got us tracking towards
37:08
Speaker 2: the minority government labor. Of course in the box seat
37:11
Speaker 2: there fourteen seats, we're saying too close to call. Across
37:15
Speaker 2: the country, there's also an AFI pole that's got the
37:18
Speaker 2: coalition ahead on issues like immigration and defense. But let's
37:21
Speaker 2: leave that one up there on the screen for a moment.
37:23
Speaker 2: I want to make a point that one's got the
37:25
Speaker 2: coalition ahead immigration, defense and crime, but labor leading on welfare,
37:29
Speaker 2: health care, and education. But general worries me cam as
37:32
Speaker 2: a strategist. Look at all the red, look at all
37:35
Speaker 2: the blue, and how can we be three weeks into
37:38
Speaker 2: a campaign where you've got something like thirty eight percent
37:41
Speaker 2: of the public don't know, don't care, don't have an
37:44
Speaker 2: opinion on something like industrial action, thirty one percent don't
37:47
Speaker 2: know who's better on the economy, thirty five percent have
37:50
Speaker 2: got no idea who's better on infrastructure welfare. Thirty percent
37:55
Speaker 2: of the population out there have got no idea who's
37:58
Speaker 2: better in terms of management of the issue of welfare.
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Speaker 2: It's a great undecided vote that would terrify me if
38:06
Speaker 2: I was in a campaign team right now.
38:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, and Peter, you and I have never
38:10
Speaker 5: seen poles like this, with so much soft vote, so
38:12
Speaker 5: much undersided vote, only a few days before pre poles open,
38:15
Speaker 5: and to your point, only three weeks before the poles
38:18
Speaker 5: actually close on.
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Speaker 19: The third of May.
38:20
Speaker 5: I think the thing here, though, is is both sides
38:22
Speaker 5: of lost brand equity. No one rely knows what labor
38:25
Speaker 5: stands for under Albanie and Dunton hasn't redefined what the
38:27
Speaker 5: Liberals are. I mean, when I was doing Bill Shorten's
38:30
Speaker 5: work and you were doing Tody Abbott's work, everyone knew
38:33
Speaker 5: what the Liberal Party based the Labor Party base stood for.
38:35
Speaker 5: It was a Fod versus Holden debate. I think now
38:38
Speaker 5: it's just trashy politics. We're dealing with kind of elbows.
38:42
Speaker 5: Everything must go one day sale versus Dunton's dollar dazzlers.
38:46
Speaker 5: I mean, it's throwing money everywhere like confetti, but it's
38:49
Speaker 5: all cheap. It won't last past the fourth of May.
38:51
Speaker 5: There's no guarantee that you will work on the fifth
38:53
Speaker 5: of May. So that's what we're dealing with. And that's
38:56
Speaker 5: why voters I think are genuinely undecided and un president
39:00
Speaker 5: underwhelmed by what they're seeing in the campaign. And that's
39:03
Speaker 5: because they're dealing with weak elbow after three years and
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Speaker 5: they're not sure about Dunton. And that's I think a
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Speaker 5: real challenge for the Liberals going forward in the time
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Speaker 5: that's left to the campaign.
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Speaker 2: When I started working on campaigns in ninety eight, you know,
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Speaker 2: you'd announce a policy and there would be a document.
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Speaker 2: We'd put one out, your team would put one out.
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Speaker 2: There'd be costings at the back. You could look at modeling,
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Speaker 2: you can interrogate it the third parties. It would all
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Speaker 2: come out with a view, you know, the AMA and
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Speaker 2: others was good, was it bad? That'd be a debate
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Speaker 2: about the policy parameters. Now it feels like we go
39:39
Speaker 2: through the motions of the traveling Wilbury's heading around the country,
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Speaker 2: all these staged events to get a lineup for social media.
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Speaker 2: We're not even covering any of these things in depth.
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Speaker 2: The journals that are trying to cover it in depth
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Speaker 2: are not there on the road. The questions are not
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Speaker 2: being asked. I mean, I'm as frustrated right now as
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Speaker 2: I was in the Daniel Andrews era. We were treated
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Speaker 2: like mushrooms. But that's where we are tonight.
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Speaker 5: And it goes back to most of the old Joe
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Speaker 5: days where journos were just like feeding the chucks, you know,
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Speaker 5: they were there to have the feed of the day
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Speaker 5: rather than ask any questions. But it goes to your
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Speaker 5: point that you wrote about this really well two weeks ago, Peter,
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Speaker 5: where parties and policy are not driving these leaders any
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Speaker 5: longer and actually doing the hard work of actually standing
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Speaker 5: up for something. It may not be immensely popular, it
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Speaker 5: may not be popular for ninety percent of people, but
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Speaker 5: for sixty percent of people who are going to vote
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Speaker 5: for you, it might be something they really want to see.
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Speaker 19: So I think you're right. I mean, I think there's
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Speaker 19: a fear in generally around around.
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Speaker 5: Politics and politicians actually being bold, being strong, standing up
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Speaker 5: for something and actually risking losing because some voters don't
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Speaker 5: want to see you get in, but lots of other
40:44
Speaker 5: voters actually want to.
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Speaker 19: Vote for something. So that's I think the dilemma we're
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Speaker 19: seeing Petter.
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Speaker 2: Right next week, We're going to get into the tills
40:53
Speaker 2: because I had evidence of push polling. I'm also aware
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Speaker 2: of robo calls. This is happening until Sea's right around
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Speaker 2: the cunt. We'll get to that, but I'll let you go.
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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Cam, great tegular show. Let's go now
41:04
Speaker 2: to Sonny Phillip Island, the local foota club no less,
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Speaker 2: the home of the Bulldogs. My good friend Liberal candidate
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Speaker 2: for Monash, Mary Aldred is joining me now. Thanks for
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Speaker 2: coming on the show. Mary. You're in the hot seat
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Speaker 2: down there. You are on the cusp of some of
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Speaker 2: the Australia's best energy country. It's the area that's delivered Victoria,
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Speaker 2: had delivered Victoria so much of its energy security and
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Speaker 2: wealth for such a long time. Traditionally a safe Liberal
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Speaker 2: seat margin, though has fallen down from about seven percent
41:35
Speaker 2: to almost three percent at the last election. The current incumbent,
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Speaker 2: Russell Broadbent was a Lib. He's now defected to the
41:41
Speaker 2: cross Bench after he lost pre selection to you. But
41:44
Speaker 2: you're also fighting a teal who's been parachuted in and
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Speaker 2: has got a lot of money coming from Climate two
41:51
Speaker 2: one hundred to take you on. And what I'm interested
41:54
Speaker 2: to hear Mary is this is a real move by
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Speaker 2: the Teals Interregional Victoria. So talk to me about the
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Speaker 2: issues that are on the minds of people in Monash.
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Speaker 20: Well, thanks for having me back, Peter, and I haven't
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Speaker 20: wasted one minute of the last five hundred and twenty
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Speaker 20: one days putting my best case forward about why I
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Speaker 20: deserve the trust and confidence of people right across the
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Speaker 20: Monash electorate. I'm a genuine local and I've got a
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Speaker 20: track record of rolling up my sleeves and getting things
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Speaker 20: done in our community and I'm determined to do that
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Speaker 20: if I've got the privilege of being elected as the
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Speaker 20: next federal representative here in sixteen days time. We have
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Speaker 20: had an unprecedented amount of money poured in from Climate
42:36
Speaker 20: two hundred and other vested interests from Sydney and Melbourne,
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Speaker 20: nearly a million dollars here for the Climate two hundred
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Speaker 20: funded Teal campaign. But I think the community momentum is
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Speaker 20: on our side. People want someone with a direct voice
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Speaker 20: to Canberra. I'm going to be a strong voice that
42:54
Speaker 20: delivers as part of a coalition team. Cost of living
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Speaker 20: is number one, two and three issues and I'm determined
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Speaker 20: to get on with things.
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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of people down your way of
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Speaker 2: doing it tough, right, Traditionally You've also had a lot
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Speaker 2: of lower socioeconomic people. Well, i'd regard as working poor Mary,
43:12
Speaker 2: people who don't want to hand out. They're not on welfare,
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Speaker 2: but they're really struggling on ordinary wages to make ends meet.
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Speaker 2: Is that a big issue in this campaign for you?
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Speaker 2: I suspect it would be. It's a huge issue, Peter.
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Speaker 20: You know, I was outside Cole's and drew And just
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Speaker 20: a week ago when a lady came out and said, Mary,
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Speaker 20: I can't get my two bags of groceries for under
43:31
Speaker 20: one hundred dollars these days. I've had other people come
43:34
Speaker 20: up at farm World over the weekend, high fiving me
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Speaker 20: about the coalition's announcement to have the fuel exis for
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Speaker 20: twelve months, and they said, finally someone is listening to
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Speaker 20: our concerns about the cost of living, whether it's groceries,
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Speaker 20: fuel or energy. The price of things is just going
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Speaker 20: up and up, and people locally are really struggling to
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Speaker 20: keep their heads above water.
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Speaker 2: At the moment. You're not wrong. And of course if
43:57
Speaker 2: you're in a regional community, Mary, you live in your.
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Speaker 9: Car, you do anywhere you need to go.
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Speaker 20: And this is actually a point well made to me
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Speaker 20: by a number of parents when I chaired the Gippsland
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Speaker 20: United Basketball League. You sometimes have to drive hours to
44:11
Speaker 20: get to a sporting game or to work. You can't
44:14
Speaker 20: rely on the public transport networks that they've got in
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Speaker 20: Melbourne and Sydney and other areas. And so being able
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Speaker 20: to address things immediately, like the Coalition have said they
44:23
Speaker 20: will crack on with from day one if we're elected
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Speaker 20: to government. By harving the fuel excise is really critical
44:30
Speaker 20: to addressing that cost of living pressure.
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Speaker 2: I know you're throwing everything out at Merykeip going. We'll
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Speaker 2: see where you land in a couple of weeks time.
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Speaker 2: At all the very best, I will say, I've known
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Speaker 2: her for twenty years and so we want good people
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Speaker 2: in parliament. We want people of cabinet material, Mary, Aldred.
44:46
Speaker 2: This cabinet material all right, Indonesia, Russia, what the heck's
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Speaker 2: going on? We'll get to that after the break. Last
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Speaker 2: another foreign criminal fighting deportation to Neru. But you won't
44:57
Speaker 2: believe why welcome back. Let's go to the controversy over
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Speaker 2: reports of an alleged pushed by Russia into Indonesia. Indonesia's
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Speaker 2: Foreign ministry has broken in silence today, saying that while
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Speaker 2: it will always allow foreign militaries on peaceful missions, it's
45:16
Speaker 2: never granted permission for another country to quote, build and
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Speaker 2: possess a military base on its land. Meanwhile, though the
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Speaker 2: journalists who first reported the story has insisted his information's
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Speaker 2: accurate and the military publication Jane's and very reputable as
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Speaker 2: Jane's stands by it. Join our to discuss this more
45:35
Speaker 2: and joining mean now our panel Sky is contributed Kosher
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Speaker 2: Garda and the past chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and
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Speaker 2: Defense Committee, Michael Danby. Well, Michael, what the heck's going
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Speaker 2: on here?
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Speaker 16: Well, I was on the Intelligence Committee, and I think
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Speaker 16: it's your experience too that opposition should be given security briefings.
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Speaker 2: That's about the caretaking conventions. We'll get to that. But
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Speaker 2: do you believe there's veras to this client by Russia.
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Speaker 16: James is one of the most reputable outfits in the
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Speaker 16: defense space around, very technical and very non partisan, and
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Speaker 16: I don't want Russian bear aircraft visiting Indonesian basis, even
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Speaker 16: if it's for twenty minutes, it's a threat to Australia
46:20
Speaker 16: because we don't have the resources. Now we've canceled the
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Speaker 16: fourth Squadron to match them.
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Speaker 2: Kosha.
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Speaker 21: I think there's a spectrum of possibilities because we can
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Speaker 21: never know the full truth. One is that Russia has
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Speaker 21: done this.
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Speaker 2: There is truth to it.
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Speaker 14: It is a reputable journal.
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Speaker 21: There is precedent of them forming alliances with neutrals, so
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Speaker 21: called neutral countries in that region, like.
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Speaker 14: Indian joying the bricks. It's a bricks comtry and.
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Speaker 21: To exploit gaps in the sphere of influence between China
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Speaker 21: and the US. It could be that it could be
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Speaker 21: maybe over Zales reporting. These are very reputable sources, but
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Speaker 21: maybe they're exaggerating because of bad information that was deliberately
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Speaker 21: fed to them by any of these actors. And everybody
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Speaker 21: has motivations for planting things, all the actors involved, so
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Speaker 21: it could be something like that as well.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look on to the point of caretaking convention.
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Speaker 2: So the opposition, Peter Dutt has asked for a briefing
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Speaker 2: because there seems to be discrepancies in the information between
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister Richard Miles, and
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Speaker 2: the timeline is not standing up to scrutiny. How long
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Speaker 2: have they known, did they know? Were they informed? Now,
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Speaker 2: listen to this from Richard Miles, when the Opposition has
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Speaker 2: been denied for the past forty eight hours a formal briefing. Oh,
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Speaker 2: we don't have that grab Basically Miles has said, there's
47:28
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. That's why we're not going to
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Speaker 2: give you a briefing. Now, Michael, you and I know
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Speaker 2: caretaker conventions very well. I am staggered if the opposition
47:37
Speaker 2: doesn't ask for a briefing, forget the politicians, but the
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Speaker 2: public service should step in and say we will honor
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Speaker 2: the convention. This stinks to me.
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Speaker 16: Well, it's the wrong thing to do. It's not for
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Speaker 16: the incumbent government to decide in secure areas what briefings
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Speaker 16: they should get. And congratulations to Sky last night you
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Speaker 16: had that thug Russian ambassador in Indian Anesia sort of
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Speaker 16: spew it all out that it really is on and
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Speaker 16: attack Australia for saying that we have some pathetic amount
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Speaker 16: of see to wear missiles, you know, and that that's
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Speaker 16: why the Russians have to sort of muscle in on
48:15
Speaker 16: the Indonesian's behalf come on. Half of this story is out.
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Speaker 16: Just be bipartisan. The opposition should behave responsiblely if they
48:22
Speaker 16: do get secret information, but you've got to give it
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Speaker 16: to them.
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Speaker 2: We'll come to our deportations at the moment. But what's
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Speaker 2: going on with the Trump administration and the deportations to
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Speaker 2: Ol Salvador of criminals.
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Speaker 21: It's become a flashpoint issue. Where they famously did those
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Speaker 21: three planes. There was that judge who issued the injunction
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Speaker 21: to turn the planes around midair. Trump administration didn't comply.
48:43
Speaker 21: It went all the way up to the Supreme Court
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Speaker 21: that favored the Trump administration and their contention that this
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Speaker 21: is executive power. That judge did not have jurisdiction. He
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Speaker 21: has now come out and said, be that as it may.
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Speaker 21: In that moment before it went up to the Supreme Court,
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Speaker 21: you were in violation or in contempt of court. So
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Speaker 21: he's brought contemptive court charges to them, and all of
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Speaker 21: this is just moving to that constitutional crisis freeze. It's
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Speaker 21: being thrown about because it's about the judiciary Article three
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Speaker 21: power versus Article two. The feeling and The view of
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Speaker 21: most is that the judiciary does not have standing to
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Speaker 21: tell the executive branch how to handle it.
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Speaker 2: It's all like a deliberate move to have that manufactured chaos,
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Speaker 2: which hurts government incumbents.
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Speaker 21: It absolutely does, But they're hurtling ahead, and I think
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Speaker 21: they're not going to come off the immigration issue, which
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Speaker 21: is a signatory shi of Trump, but they're also not
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Speaker 21: going to come off this conflict or collision course. I
49:31
Speaker 21: would say that Article two an Article two.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to ours because we've got an
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Speaker 2: end z YQ guy who should be deported to Naru
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Speaker 2: but says I will not be deported. Is fighting it
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Speaker 2: through the courts? Too hot to human?
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Speaker 16: He says, unbelievable, Peter, I mean, does the Australian text
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Speaker 16: by have to fund these vexatious and silly claims. I
49:49
Speaker 16: mean it's too hot. What about all the poor people
49:51
Speaker 16: who live in the room.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get we're heard you there, but let's
49:54
Speaker 2: get to this. You are going out and proud with
49:57
Speaker 2: it's in the papers.
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Speaker 21: Well.
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Speaker 16: I believe that in McNamara people should, if they want
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Speaker 16: to vote labor, not give the Greens their preferences and
50:04
Speaker 16: I've got a full out social media campaign McNamara Residence
50:08
Speaker 16: against Extremism. Me and Tony Lupton are out there, loud
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Speaker 16: and proud. We're still saying vote labor, but don't give
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Speaker 16: your preferences to the Greens, give it to the Liberals ahead.
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Speaker 2: Now on you, Michael Danby, there you go, if you're
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Speaker 2: in that seat, there's your writing instructions to avoid a
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Speaker 2: Green's catastrophe. That's it for me. Have a lovely, happy
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Speaker 2: and holy Easter. I'll see you on Monday at six.
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Speaker 2: I mean