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Reliving our scariest, most intense public ghost hunt ever (Monday Bonus) · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back to this Monday bonus! Thank you,
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thank you, thank you very much, thank you. So,
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this Saturday, June 6th... If you're listening
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to this, you know, when it comes out or throughout
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the week, if you're listening to this in the
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future, I'm sorry, you missed it. June 6th, 2026,
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we will be going back to the other side, Panorama
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Mortuary Science Museum for the fifth annual
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Haunting in Realtown Marketplace event. This
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is going to be, and I've said on social media,
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the best opportunity you will have to attend
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a public ghost hunt in Michigan this year. We
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are not only... featured speakers and guests
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throughout the day at this incredible all -day
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event we will be leading alongside ghost contact
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paranormal a after hours ghost hunt at the haunted
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museum in lansing michigan on the evening of
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june 6th you will want to be there and if you
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want to know what can i expect to happen what
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kind of experiences have you had in the past
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there well we actually recorded a year ago this
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is pre -podcast but like We were kind of doing,
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like, a trial phase where we started, like, recording
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conversations, kind of lightly putting them out.
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And then, you know, we got microphones, got serious
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about it, and actually started doing this show
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you know and love called Paranormal Ends. You're
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listening to it now. So this, right after we
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did last year's Ghost Hunt. Our brains were broken,
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and we had to tell Brianna, who did not attend
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last year's, but she will be attending this year's
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on June 6th, what happened. Because this was
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the most undeniably, without a doubt, most intense,
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scariest public ghost hunt we have ever been
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a part of. And we had to tell Brianna immediately,
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on the air, we recorded the whole conversation,
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what the heck happened. We were like... Trauma
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dumped. Brain dumped. All this information. All
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this crazy stuff. Paranormal. Real frightening
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experiences onto her. uh and and we put it out
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well since we relaunched the podcast uh the few
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couple trial episodes um which are audio only
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um aren't live anymore but uh we we went into
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the vault and we dug this one up because this
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is timely and relevant people are asking what
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what they can expect this saturday um so uh this
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is the raw Like always, minimally edited conversation
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that we had with Brianna right after the fourth
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annual Haunting of Realtown Marketplace event
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last year, where we declared an emergency episode
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and told her all of what happened. It is, like
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I said, audio only. So for the few people that
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typically like to watch this on YouTube. There
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will just be a static image once we get back
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from the intro, but stick with this one because
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despite not having the fancy mics that we have
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now and being audio only, this is a really frightening
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experience we had and a really compelling conversation,
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I think, about... the most intense public ocean
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we've ever led. So if this conversation resonates
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and you want to, you know, see if history repeats
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itself for the fifth annual Haunting of Realtown
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Marketplace, come see us in Lansing, Michigan
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on Saturday, June 6th. But that's enough yapping
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for now. Without further ado, let's dive into
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the conversation. Welcome to our podcast where
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we take deep dives looking at various topics
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through a paranormal lens. We need to break down.
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dissect, analyze, figure out what the heck happened
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to us this past weekend as we were one of four
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paranormal teams that helped put on the Haunting
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in Realtown 2025 event. This is an annual paranormal
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event put on by the Other Side Paranormal and
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Mortuary Science Museum in Lansing, Michigan.
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After the day's festivities, there was a costume
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contest, Q &As, tours. After all that, as the
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sun went down, we, alongside Ghost Contact Paranormal,
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Tri -City Ghost Hunting Society, and the Photographic
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Investigation Research Team, put on a public
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ghost hunt event. And some crazy stuff happened
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that we need to break down. Just for the listeners
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out there, on this call, it's me, your co -host
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Ben. I'm joined by co -host Angela. Hi. There
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she is. She just said hi. And we are about to
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reveal what the heck happened to us at the Other
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Side Paranormal Mortuary Science Museum to co
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-host Brianna. What's up? I have heard nothing
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yet. She has literally heard nothing yet. We
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have teased this. for a few nights now yeah you
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guys you guys have been like all weekend like
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oh my god we need to like talk we need to like
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do a phone call and like tell you what happened
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and like i'm like oh my god what happened you're
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like it's too much over text and i'm just here
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like okay what what crazy thing could have happened
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that they can't even like describe any of it
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to me brianna not only are you very grounded
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and level -headed in general You are an unbiased
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third party. You were not present at the ghost
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hunt. You have never been to the Paranormal Mortuary
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Science Museum in general. So every aspect of
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this is going to be like a clean slate. No hindsight
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bias. No. Or recency bias. Because I'm going
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to make some really bold claims. We need to.
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This is the craziest. We've done so many public
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ghost hunts before. With you, Brianna. We've
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led them at various places, Seven Gables Road,
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downtown Williamston, Michigan, the Stimson Hospital,
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Eaton County Courthouse, recently at the Festival
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of Oddities every year. The list goes on. We've
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done so many. And they're pretty standard and
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cut and dry. We kind of have an established flow
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on how these things operate by now. And in investigations
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in general, we've been doing this for eight years
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now, 300 -something investigations. We were just
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talking at the Madison Seminary with Becca. Remember,
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we were asking like, hey, does the paranormal
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still like surprise you? Does it is it is it
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still you still get that sense of awe all these
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years later? Saturday reminded me that, yeah,
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we're still experiencing things we've never experienced
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before. When we do paranormal tours and ghost
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hunts, there's often a range in terms of like
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number of guests and the more people you have
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on it. Public ghost hunt. Worst it gets. And
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we've known that since, you know, when we started
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at Michigan State University with the Paranormal
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Club. We would have like 70 people rammed in
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a cemetery. And this is like, there's nothing
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you could do. Like 70 people are signed up for
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this club. But still, you're more people wrangling
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than ghost wrangling. Yeah. And there's a lot
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of cross -contamination. The reason I bring this
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up is because here, this was the best setup for
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a public ghost hunt that I've ever been a part
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of. From the get -go, it was capped at 16 people
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that could come as guests, and there were four
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paranormal groups spread throughout the building.
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For anyone that might not be familiar with the
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setup of this building, the Paranormal and Mortuary
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Science Museum is just one shop within the greater
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Rio Town marketplace. This is a 14 ,400 square
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foot space, and the entire building is hella
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haunted. Yeah. Hella, H -E -L -L -A, haunted.
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Very haunted. It's not just the museum. They
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put a paranormal museum in a 14 ,400 square foot
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haunted building. So we were spread out. There
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were four groups spread out throughout the entire
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marketplace. There was one group in the museum
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proper. There was one group in the oddity shop
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next door. There was another group towards the
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middle of the building. And then we were in the
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back of the building. So everyone was spread
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out. There was no cross -contamination. And the
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16 people were divided in four groups, four people,
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four groups, and they would rotate every hour
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to us. So we were docked in our station all night
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for four hours and four people would rotate four
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times throughout the four groups. That's a lot
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of fours, but it worked. It was great. It was
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a really good setup. I enjoyed it like that.
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Yeah, it was great. And with that, too, even
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though these were all strangers, right? We didn't
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know any of these people. But by the end of it,
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when you spend an hour with just four people
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and you get up close and personal with all the
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equipment, with the location, it is as close
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to a one -on -one experience as you could have
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gotten. For a public ghost hunt, it is pretty
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one -on -one as you could get. Makes me a little
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jealous that I had to miss this one. Oh, you're
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not going to be jealous by the end of this because
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it started with 16 people. I'd say... Only half
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of them remained. I've never seen. On a public
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ghost hunt. You're talking. If I were to guess
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six or seven people. That left. Because of the
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activity. And as they were leaving. They demanded
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a cleansing. Really? Luckily. There's someone
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on ghost contacts paranormal. Garth. Great guy.
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He does cleansings. He was like. He was like
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stationed up. He was giving these people. Thank
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God he was there. No kidding. That's not something
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that happens. No. And imagine if it was just
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us. I just bought a crystal for the first time.
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Splash it with some holy water? I don't know.
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It's like, I've never considered. And this was
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like a normal ass investigation for the first
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half of it. There is an escalation as you're
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about to hear. I'm doing terrible with this.
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this slow build -up uh yeah it's an intense build
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-up where you're building the suspension but
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we gotta hit the climax i know just keep that
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in mind that the group is about to be cut in
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half with like a large majority of the people
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that left ultimately demanding a cleanse and
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like i'm just very grateful it was not angela
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and i there like as the only ghost hunters because
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I mean, we've been doing it so long. And this
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will be a recurring theme of the night. It's
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like we were the professionals, quote unquote.
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That's really funny to think about. Yeah, and
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there are so many things it's like I've never
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experienced until this night. But I guess that's
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the thing with the paranormal. Anyone that claims
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to be an expert or an educator, they're still
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learning. Check them out. Scroll through. How
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long have they been doing it? Have they been
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doing it a couple years? Five years? Six years?
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eight years like us you know almost a decade
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now we're still learning so uh be wary of anyone
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that claims to be a a hardcore expert and says
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uh this way or this way or i won't hear it yeah
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be wary of those people be wary of the people
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who are like it's this way and this way only
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because that's not how it works and we've discovered
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so and this will be a recurring theme too i'm
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sure during this conversation there's so much
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nuance in the paranormal there's rarely a yes
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or no to any question like you can maybe this
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will be a fun episode for another day but you
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can hit me with any question related to the paranormal
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and i doubt there will be anything that's a simple
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yes or no answer anyways let's get into it so
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the night began And Angela and I were stationed
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up in the back of the building. And this was
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really interesting because this area, we never
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investigated before. We've investigated the other
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side of the museum once prior. Yeah, we weren't
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allowed back there because alarms would go off
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last time. So this was new territory for us.
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It was also the furthest from the museum. And
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it was essentially three rooms. The room to the
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far left was empty. So it's an empty room. The
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room in the middle was a little theater set up.
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So a cute little theater. And then to the right
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was like a little shop. And the whole thing was
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the shop owner thought her husband might haunt
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there and just wanted to see if we might pick
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up his name. So we're far from all the cursed
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haunted objects. And we're just... chilling in
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an empty room or a theater or trying to see if
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this chill little cool shop has a former owner
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lingering around. So not really the spookiest
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of setups. And the night began as one would expect.
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We met our first group and overall pretty quiet.
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Something I really enjoyed though is every single
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person that came in was primed to be skeptical
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and grounded. Because the co -owners of the Other
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Side Paranormal Mortuary Science Museum, they
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did a lecture, or John specifically, the owners
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are John and Jen. John did a lecture earlier
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in the day about skeptical investigating. And
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then every group that investigated with the two
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of them, they had a mini course on like things
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that can give false readings, ways people might
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mess with your equipment to... you know trip
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an emf meter to go off and you know things you
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can install on the walls or uh we always joke
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uh people talk to their refrigerator and think
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it's dead uncle bob you know they did a whole
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course on like being skeptical being grounded
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and using common sense because they're skeptics
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first and uh they're very upfront about that
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and they really really wanted to keep everything
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as grounded as possible which i really thoroughly
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appreciate because as brianna you indicated i
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didn't even admit ghosts were real until like
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a year or two ago yeah i think that's awesome
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like i think every like when i've done public
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ghost hunts i like that is something that i always
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try to drill into public because like always
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approach it as skeptic first but with that I
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think that opened the door to a lot of experimentation.
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We've discussed many times that we do a lot of
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experimentation in safe spaces, such as my apartment.
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I felt very safe at the outside paranormal and
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mortuary science museum. The owners are amazing.
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John and Jen, incredibly gracious, kind people.
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They just have an amazing shop and just amazing
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people in general. We've investigated there before.
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No bad vibes, all great vibes. We were there
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all day. We had a booth. It wasn't like we just
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showed up. And all these people were primed to
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think critically and be skeptical. And we talk
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all the time about correlation. If you just use
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one tool or one device, are you really, like,
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what does that really mean? So we were big and
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leaning into the correlations. So one of our
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two Ouija boards we got from this museum. It's
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a 1955 Ouija board that we used in the SAMs during
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our first investigation. It might be something
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attached to it. We get the letters Q and T in
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the rainbow effect, like Zozo, Mama, you know,
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just goes Q, T, Q, T with this board and only
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this board. decided, since we got it from here,
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to bring it back for the first time ever and
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use it back at the scene of the crime. But we
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used it only if they were comfortable. There
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was one group that was really on board, one group
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that kind of wanted to try it, and another group
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that didn't want to use it. And that's fine.
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But the way we used it was we did the Estes method,
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which is when you do the spirit box with the
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blindfold and headphones. And what we like to
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do, Angela and I, when we experiment, is we do
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the Estes method while doing the Ouija board.
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So what this means is one of the people that's
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doing the Ouija board session can't see anything,
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can't hear anything, and they're getting responses
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of their own that we can then in real time compare
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against any responses we're getting on the Ouija
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board. Another thing we want to do, because a
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lot of people come to these events with the apps,
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right? And we sometimes have GhostTube. Is that
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what it is? GhostTube? GhostTalk? GhostTube.
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I use GhostTube occasionally just for funsies.
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Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. As long as you
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don't... assume that every word means something
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and we've talked about times it's not the most
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reliable oh no definitely not it's fun sometimes
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to use on those public ghost hunts because like
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you get interaction but yeah once again like
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not everything on there is actually evidence
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it's better when you get something that corresponds
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with something else but continue go ahead no
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yeah absolutely and we've even said on this very
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podcast and at best Those tools are great for
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sparking some sort of research, further research,
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go on a deep dive. What could this word mean?
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But anyways, there is a new paranormal app that
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came out that I was seeing a lot of buzz about
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called Deadline. The way the Deadline works,
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it's doing two things at once. First, it pumps
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out just a background frequency sweep. Literally,
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it just goes from 20 hertz to 20 kilohertz, sweeping
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from one frequency to another. And I was going
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for. hours and no voices came through but people
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swear that they can hear voices coming through
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essentially just like a spirit box can make out
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words within the frequency there now on top of
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that you have to sound bang with the random word
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generator like an ovilus like a ghost talker
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this is happening simultaneously to this frequency
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just going and looping in the background and
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the thing i like most about this is they have
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on the website laid out in detail exactly what
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the sounds are how they're getting the sounds,
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what you're hearing, what you're looking at,
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paragraphs upon paragraphs, being fully transparent
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on what this app is actually doing. And that's
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what makes it different than some of the entertainment
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purposes only, quote unquote, apps that you'll
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get on a normal app store. So what we decided
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to do was have this app, this new app, Deadline,
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running all night. And we had it stationed up
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in the shop. where the dead husband was allegedly
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haunting. And we just wanted it running while
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we do these other experiments. Let's say, for
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example, and they send you a report at the end
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that's timestamped with all the responses at
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the time. So what if we're in the middle doing
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a Ouija board blindfolded while doing Spirit
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Box with the soundproof headphones on and Ouija
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board and Spirit Box say the same response at
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the same time this. app running in a separate
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room says the same thing. That's what we were
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hoping for. Did that actually happen? Because
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that would be really cool. It did. Wait, it did?
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We had variations of, like, the Ouija board and
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spirit box lining up. The spirit box and that
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app lining up. Never all three, unfortunately.
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Okay. But still, even just two is insane. So
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that's what we were trying to do all night, is
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just get as much correlation. um between responses
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and we also had like all the other tools but
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k2s and emf meters and cat balls and dowsing
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rods like spread throughout the place that's
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sort of the setup that's kind of what we were
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trying to do everyone came in very grounded and
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because they were so grounded and critically
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thinking we did a lot of experimentation it's
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on a normal public ghost hunt we would not pull
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out a ouija board we would not be doing Ouija
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board, SD sessions combined with using a new
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app we've never used before while doing dowsing
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rods. This is not something you do on a normal
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public ghost hunt. I think that led to us potentially
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opening ourselves up on like a normal ghost hunt
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where we're really just focused on the people,
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making sure they're having a good time. I think
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we opened ourselves up to having a genuine experience.
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Yeah, there was a lot of energy, not even just
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during the ghost hunt, but, like, throughout
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the day, too, that I feel could have ramped up
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to what happened later in the night. And it was
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a slow build, like I said. It really was. Like,
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the first group we had, I'm like, okay, this
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is probably how it's going to be, especially
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for this being, like, a new location. Like, we
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haven't been in that spot. I wasn't expecting
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much. And then each group kept getting more ramped
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up. more creepier, where everything that did
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come through for each group kept like making
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sense and aligning with each other. The first
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group, nothing happened like the first 45 minutes.
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Then at the very end, we were split up in the
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middle theater room. And then Angela, you were
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in the side room. That's kind of just empty.
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At the same time that in the middle room, someone
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doing Estes method heard a growl. Or a hissing
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sound. And then felt like something brushed up
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right behind them. And kind of was like, oof,
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what was that? At the same time, Angela, you
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heard something in the corner? Yes. Around the
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same time, I was with two other people in the
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group. And we were in this other little section.
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Well, there's like nothing in it. It's just like
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cement walls or whatever. And we were using the
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dowsing rods. And we asked, can you point where
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in the room you are at? And, you know, the dowsing
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rods pointed to a very specific corner and we
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heard what sounded like scratching on the wall.
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It's the best way I could put it. Yeah. And like
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we went over there or I went over there afterwards
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when we were like switching teams or whatever.
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And I scratched on him like that is kind of what
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I heard. So, but we know it came from that wall,
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like that corner. And it happened at the same
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time that girl was using the spirit box and heard
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like that growling and stuff. That's just the
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beginning. Yeah, this is just the beginning.
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The next group comes in and activity happens,
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but it was fun vibes. We were in the middle section
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in the old theater. Back in the day, there was,
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like, prostitution. Yeah. Illegal stuff at the
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time. Underground parties. Prohibition era shenanigans.
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And one of the prostitutes came through. Yeah,
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we were using the Ouija board most of the hour.
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Yeah, and this was when we were really leaning
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into the Ouija board Estes method combo. And
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none of the activity was bad vibes. No, it wasn't
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bad. No. it was like a it just was a prostitute
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coming through and being sassy was the guy because
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he didn't pay and wasn't doing anything so basically
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yeah this was the only instance of the night
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where uh um most of the people ran away um and
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demanded a cleansing in this case someone paid
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a ghost so kind of different um yeah so that
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was interesting it was uh complete 180 from before
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um a lot of activity happening none of it bad
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it was in my head i was like oh this will be
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the highlight of the night a fun haha a prostitute
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demanded i pay him i wasn't expecting anything
24:18
more something did happen though we heard a voice
24:21
oh my oh my gosh yeah yeah yeah i heard a voice
24:25
coming from the front of the store where no one
24:28
was at and it sounded like a girl and i'm like
24:30
oh maybe it was that the new um ghost app that
24:34
we were using and i didn't think anything about
24:36
it and then someone else was like no no i heard
24:39
it too and i'm like huh so i went over there
24:42
just over to the front to see if there was anyone
24:44
over there there no one was it very well could
24:47
have been someone from a different group but
24:49
still that was like kind of that was really weird
24:51
interesting yeah it would be really weird if
24:55
someone from another group like just randomly
24:57
left without anyone noticing came over to our
25:01
spot yeah just out of sight to say a quick thing,
25:04
and then discreetly leave. I don't know. It very
25:07
well could have been a person that we heard just
25:09
echoing or something, but no, you don't know.
25:12
I don't know. And we tried disproving it, as
25:15
Angela's alluding to. We're not making any claims
25:18
about it. That's just how we were. That was how
25:21
everyone was. Everyone was grounded and level
25:23
-headed. So then, after that group, where there's
25:27
definitely a spike in activity, but all good
25:30
activity. Then the third group comes in, and
25:33
this is where things get interesting. Oh. My.
25:35
Gosh. Yes. Someone got touched again. Someone
25:38
got scratched. Oh, someone got scratched? Someone
25:41
got scratched right away. She felt like someone
25:44
like poking her hand or something like that and
25:47
then felt like it was a scratch. We didn't see
25:49
anything on her arm where she felt it because
25:52
I shined the flashlight and there was like no
25:54
sign of like nothing, but she like felt it. And
25:57
that was in the same room that earlier Angela
26:00
heard scratching on the wall and she had no way
26:02
of knowing that. Yep. Interesting. So this group
26:06
comes in and after that experience, we feel terrible
26:09
dread coming from that corner. where formerly
26:12
there was this scratching on the wall. So we
26:16
decided to leave and pivot to the store where
26:20
there's been no vibes all night. Yes, we were
26:24
explaining to them about the app. We were showing
26:28
them about the app. Yeah, because they were really
26:30
interested. I thought it would be a great pivot
26:34
to, you know, bad vibes over in that one room.
26:38
Let's go where there's literally been no activity
26:40
all night. this part though is where i did get
26:44
really off edge because the whole time ben was
26:47
explaining that out to them my back was turned
26:50
to them and just looking in that store towards
26:53
where the windows was and like i'm getting in
26:56
tears because i don't ever get such a strong
27:00
vibe on things people are like i'm getting a
27:02
weird vibe in this little area this room or whatever
27:06
and i always just like blow it off because i'm
27:08
like i don't feel anything i don't i don't get
27:10
that way but i had such a bad feeling of dread
27:14
i could not like turn around i was facing it
27:18
i was like something is going down right now
27:22
and it was not like this in the other two groups
27:25
and to clarify this was in the store where we
27:28
went intentionally to get away from the bad vibes
27:31
and now Yes, and it was still there. Yes, in
27:35
the store now, in the front, where we were just
27:38
setting up this app to see if the husband can
27:41
come through, and nothing's happened all night
27:43
for three hours now. So it followed you? I don't
27:50
know. I do not know. But the feeling was intense.
27:55
Yes, very intense. I think we were just chit
27:58
-chatting, trying to get our minds off the...
28:01
vibe and it's at that point we realized because
28:04
at this point there were three rotations every
28:07
single group what we perceive is just a random
28:10
you know just quick interaction like oh haha
28:13
not so significant every group was having the
28:16
same conversations with the spirits in different
28:21
parts of the buildings at the same time so we
28:24
were comparing notes and it's like wait that
28:26
came through on us that came through on us we
28:28
were having the same exact like synchronicities
28:32
we were like getting answers from that people
28:38
were asking from different groups interesting
28:42
and that's why i say it all combined together
28:46
all into one more at the end of the night where
28:50
everything started to make sense because we were
28:52
like oh wait we got this wait that would make
28:55
sense about what you guys got Over in this other
28:58
section of the building. You know what I mean?
29:00
Yeah. It was weird. And one of the groups, too,
29:02
was talking to a haunted Russian doll. I believe
29:04
it was Russian. Yeah. We were told this secondhand.
29:08
But one of the dolls was Russian. So they were
29:10
speaking to it in Russian with Google Translate
29:13
and getting answers that they then translated.
29:17
And it made perfect sense in English. That was
29:19
then correlating with what we were getting on
29:21
the other side of the building. on our two devices
29:24
because we were using three devices and getting
29:26
correlations on at least two all throughout the
29:29
night and then that was making sense with three
29:31
other groups one of which was translating from
29:34
russian russian and then as we were chit -chatting
29:39
and piecing all these pieces together this owner
29:42
john rushes in and says something crazy happened
29:45
and we need a reconvenient museum turns out in
29:48
the museum A big heavy case started violently
29:51
shaking and rattling. Are you serious? They got
29:55
it on camera. And John said like how he went
30:01
over there. He never seen that thing like move
30:03
really. So he went over there trying to move
30:05
it himself. It was too heavy for it to easily
30:07
do that. He was stomping. He was walking around
30:10
easily trying to figure out what could have moved
30:12
this. And he could not figure it out. That's
30:14
wild. Yeah. Plus, the REM pod was going off like
30:19
crazy. And in the video, too, the lights shut
30:21
off. I don't know if they shut off by themselves.
30:24
Some people were saying the lights did. I don't
30:25
know if it was during that time. But in the video,
30:28
the lights turned off. The REM pod was going
30:30
off like crazy. And then all of a sudden, this
30:34
thing shook. Wait, you're saying the lights turned
30:37
off by themselves? Yeah, did you notice in the
30:40
video? I don't know if they did that or if it
30:42
went off by themselves. That's crazy. yeah so
30:46
it was like it was using the light for like power
30:49
and that's another thing too all throughout the
30:51
night three we were having weird equipment drainages
30:55
the speaker would drain and be up and running
30:58
next group you know all the devices would be
31:00
like if the if it wasn't working in one group
31:02
it would work the next group perfectly fine anyways
31:05
around the same time this display case finally
31:08
shook you will be very shocked to find out that
31:12
someone else in a different group not prompted
31:15
by us or involving us, did the trespass exercise
31:18
in a haunted mirror. Seriously? Yeah, and it
31:20
had nothing to do with us. And they saw a dark
31:23
figure behind them, and they ended up leaving
31:25
in tears and wanting a cleanse. Huh. Yep. So
31:30
we are not responsible in this one instance for
31:32
a creepy trespass exercise experience. For once.
31:37
For once. But anyways, and then someone in our
31:41
group, too, was feeling really sick. and wanted
31:44
to cleanse as well, so then they left. It was
31:46
at this point, too, when we all reconvened that
31:47
a lot of people were like, yeah, I'm done with
31:50
this. And then they all left so that the final
31:54
hour could be the most insane final hour of anything
31:57
ever. So we went with the final group back to
32:00
the store. This is when things do get really
32:04
intense. They get more intense? So, um, I'll
32:09
just cut to the chase. we now are doing back
32:14
in that store area where nothing has happened
32:16
until like five minutes before when this vibe
32:19
comes yeah we were in the same area where um
32:23
the that ghost act thing was going we were explaining
32:26
to them and our mind totally shifted to a different
32:31
spot in that same room and it got really dark
32:35
really fast basically Yeah, behind where we had
32:38
the app set up, there was a little hallway that
32:41
led to the back of the shop, and there was a
32:42
curtain. And behind that curtain, there was a
32:45
little room and then a staircase that led upstairs.
32:48
As Angela said, our mind kind of shifted to there,
32:50
because we felt like there was just something
32:52
behind the curtain watching us. Yeah. Everyone
32:56
thought that, not just me and Ben. And we literally
32:59
just met these. This was a new group. Yeah. We
33:02
met them five minutes ago. So I don't know who
33:04
they are. I'm not going to be like, I'm getting
33:06
a weird vibe. This was happening very, very fast.
33:10
So all of us felt it at the same time. And we
33:14
just kind of was like, okay. I volunteered to
33:17
do the Estes method up towards that current where
33:22
we were feeling the vibe. So I put the blindfold
33:23
on, standing back there with the soundproof headphones.
33:27
And this... Why would you do that? Because I
33:31
was comfortable. You were comfortable at the
33:33
time. At the time, okay. And this is when the
33:37
spirit box and the app were now correlating almost
33:40
like identically one -to -one responses. And
33:44
it seemed like there was a spirit there that
33:46
potentially we helped cross over, which was really
33:49
cool. Never had that happen before. But after
33:53
that moment, as soon as the spirit crossed over,
33:56
there was a vibe we got. That's what the responses
33:58
seemed to indicate as well. As soon as the spirit
34:01
left. It's like another one stepped forward taking
34:04
its place. Really? Yeah, it's kind of the best
34:08
way it got. And that whole area in the back,
34:12
that little room where the curtain was leading
34:16
up to the stairs and whatever, it got darker
34:20
than dark. It was already dark back there, but
34:23
then it got... extra dark and keep in mind too
34:26
there was like a mirror and there was like a
34:29
picture playing back there where they with there
34:31
was light reflecting so we saw that and stuff
34:33
that got taken over and you couldn't see that
34:38
then really like it was pitch black they don't
34:41
know that reflection was showing anymore then
34:44
this is the moment there were five people in
34:47
the room staggered in different spots of the
34:49
room right yeah i'll look into the same thing
34:51
though Looking at the same spot, but different
34:53
perspectives. Some people were crouched down,
34:56
some people were standing up. All five people,
34:58
at the same time, without talking to each other,
35:00
without prompting each other, all five of us
35:02
saw, after the light got blocked out, a black
35:06
figure morph manifest, come towards us, blocking
35:11
out now the curtain, and coupled with this black
35:15
mass coming towards us, morphing, it had the
35:18
strongest, most negative... most unexplainable
35:22
vibe i have ever felt and this is where recency
35:25
bias might come into play but i haven't felt
35:27
anything like this ever while ghost hunting keep
35:30
in mind though it was like at first it was like
35:34
a black mask blocking the light keeping it darker
35:38
than dark in there and it was like some like
35:43
two like people in the group were like seeing
35:45
this like it's like shifting back and forth we
35:47
could like see it moving back and forth in the
35:50
doorway and stuff and then it was like oh it
35:54
took a step forward and while it kept taking
35:57
a step forward it like morphed into like a human
36:00
form like black mass type of format and it was
36:04
black blocking out the curtain where you could
36:08
see like a human format of something blocking
36:11
out the curtain. That's wild. We ended up all
36:15
running out of there. It gave a bad vibe. Five
36:19
people saw a black shadow morph at the same time
36:24
without prompting each other and all ran out.
36:27
That's wild. Angela and I were the professionals
36:30
and we ran out with three strangers. I know.
36:37
I left there. I took a step right out of that
36:41
room and I felt like a little better was the
36:45
vibes. And I totally like crouched over and like
36:47
had tears coming out of my eyes. Like I never
36:51
felt something like that before. It was, it was
36:55
scary. But also at the same time, I feel like
36:57
maybe I was a little bit more scared than usual
36:59
because other people in the group was like, that
37:02
is bad. We need to get out of here. Leave, leave
37:05
now. And that adrenaline got me. going a little
37:09
bit too though but it was that was really weird
37:13
that's like i i mean like in sync with each other
37:16
everyone took a step back all together like took
37:21
a step back and was like whoa there what the
37:25
fuck was that and it wasn't a trick of the light
37:28
no because we all saw it yeah and we were all
37:31
staggered throughout the room different heights
37:33
different levels different areas and it was literally
37:37
blocking the curtain it was literally blocking
37:40
whatever light we could we could see and then
37:45
we go back there and then we realize there's
37:47
two mirrors back there facing each other so it's
37:50
creating like a what you might perceive as a
37:53
portal you know they'd say about those mirrors
37:55
uh -huh uh -huh it's gotta take a lot to get
37:59
Angela and I to run out of a place the one time
38:02
that I remember you running getting freaked out
38:05
at the old mill but like yeah that never that
38:09
never happens to you like i think even when you
38:13
got like growled at at striker when you were
38:16
in the woods you didn't i don't think you ran
38:19
at that time i don't know how to describe that
38:22
feeling that coupled with that black mass it
38:25
was so strong it was bad i don't know how to
38:30
describe it i like like i said i don't really
38:33
do not get vibes easily usually if I get scared
38:37
it's more myself freaking myself out but like
38:41
I really did feel something there and then what's
38:44
even worse is that once we all left we like calmed
38:49
down we walked back over there I mean it was
38:52
dark but not as dark as it was and here's the
38:54
reflections of the light hitting the mirror in
38:57
that picture frame that you could see easily
38:59
day clear as day and my brain like i don't know
39:03
what to do at this point i am no longer a tour
39:06
guide i am along for the ride yeah these poor
39:13
guests i my brain was broken i do not expect
39:17
to have experiences like this anymore that surprised
39:21
me at this scale and we can't take me off guard
39:25
we can't forget the most important part though
39:28
Because when we were back there looking at the
39:31
place again and trying to debunk whatever the
39:33
heck that was, here's a guy from a different
39:36
group comes walking in and was like, hey, did
39:39
they show you this picture yet? And this is when
39:41
it really got even creepier. I'm going to post
39:46
this. Check out our social media, Instagram,
39:48
Facebook, TikTok. You'll see this. It has a figure
39:53
in the photo. The more you look at it, the weirder
39:57
it gets. Because the thing about me, and here,
40:01
I'm going to share it. I enhanced it. Oh, you're
40:05
sharing it? Oh, God, no. There it is. This photo,
40:10
and I'm not a big photo guy, by the way. I hate
40:14
it. I don't. That's so creepy. Oh, it's terrible.
40:18
Absolutely terrible. I've never captured a photo
40:21
or claimed to see a photo that I think is, like,
40:24
100 % genuine paranormal activity. Like, that's
40:26
not a person. No. Like, that's not a person in
40:29
the group. Can you zoom in on the face? It looks
40:31
like a dog. It has a snout. Like, it has, like,
40:35
a face of, like, a dog almost. It looks like
40:39
it has a top hat on. Yes! You see the hat, too!
40:42
Like, before you go further into it, when you
40:45
first, when you guys sent me the picture... I
40:47
thought it was a picture of Ben at first, like
40:50
just a blurry picture of Ben, like the stance
40:53
and everything looked like Ben to me. I wasn't
40:55
in the room. Do you want to know the funny thing
40:57
is I showed my mom this and he says, is that
41:00
Ben? Now we have two people who think that looks
41:03
like Ben. Now I know I don't even like this now.
41:05
But that's that. But that would enhance that,
41:09
like, because it looks like a person wearing
41:12
a T -shirt. That's the thing. And then you look
41:14
at it more. And, well, I mean, you don't really
41:17
have to look at it too deeply to see that the
41:19
face is not right. Where's the other arm? Yeah.
41:23
And also, it's wearing a top hat. Like, a top
41:27
what? Where's the torso? It disappears. Where's
41:31
the left arm? Yeah. That is such an insane picture.
41:36
Look at the background. There's no motion blur.
41:39
To be clear, what is in the background right
41:40
there, though? That's a different room. Yeah.
41:43
That's like the entrance to a different room.
41:45
So that's what that light is right there. But
41:47
you can see far into the next room and see details
41:49
on the wall. One room over. There's no motion
41:52
blur. We have a comparison photo of this exact
41:55
spot. We tried debunking it. There's no mirrors
41:58
or reflective surfaces. This is free floating
42:01
in the middle of the room. That's wild. What's
42:05
even worse is that they said that this was taken
42:07
at the time we were experiencing and seeing that
42:11
black mass by the curtain. It was taken around
42:15
the same time. I don't like it. What we're left
42:20
with is, and this is where I've said multiple
42:22
times, the things that disturb me most are the
42:24
things that are uncanny. that's uncanny valley
42:27
that's uncanny valley because the thing is yeah
42:31
it's a t -shirt you can see a t -shirt so it's
42:34
like yeah that's a person yeah it's a person
42:37
and a t -shirt it has an arm like yeah and then
42:40
you look at it and it's like where's the other
42:42
arm and then it's like wait what's wrong with
42:44
the face and it's like wait why are they wearing
42:46
a top hat no one was wearing a top hat no one
42:49
had a snout No one hates the snow. That is so
42:53
freaking true. If someone sat me down and said,
42:56
Ben, you're overreacting. That's a t -shirt.
42:59
You know, in low light environments, especially
43:01
even if the background and the camera is steady,
43:04
if someone was moving very fast, they can be
43:07
distorted. Sure. But how do you get in that stance?
43:10
The stance is like looking up like, ooh, like.
43:13
Yeah. And it's like coming at you, not like left
43:16
to right. How do you get that distorted in the
43:18
t -shirt and the. The upper body is very still,
43:23
but the face looks like a completely different
43:25
shade and color. And there's a snout and there's
43:28
no arm. And where does the torso go? Disappears.
43:30
No one had a top hat. I was I was talking to
43:34
my mom because I was showing her this. I was
43:35
showing my dad whatever. My mom was like. no
43:39
someone had to have been like hiding behind like
43:42
the wall and like popped out while she was taking
43:44
the pictures and she didn't notice like there
43:46
had to be someone in there like that's 100 in
43:48
person there must have been a projector like
43:51
like obviously someone didn't see someone in
43:55
that room at like at the time or taking that
43:57
photo and i'm just like john and jen they're
44:03
not the type of people who are going to be stating
44:05
things like this is full genuineness um you know
44:09
they say themselves they're they're skeptics
44:11
they didn't plant nothing the night started with
44:16
this lecture on how to be a skeptical and grounded
44:19
investigator and the night ended they posted
44:21
on facebook photo evidence of a clear apparition
44:26
going back to the uncanny this is two things
44:29
person Or not person? I don't think that was
44:33
a person. I have the metadata of this photo.
44:35
It was not doctored. There's no argument. It
44:39
is literally point blank. Simple. Person, not
44:43
person. But you go on all day, going back and
44:47
forth. As soon as you convince yourself it's
44:49
a person, you notice one more weird thing. And
44:52
then you're like, am I really comfortable saying
44:54
it's a ghost? Come on, it's a t -shirt. Yeah,
44:56
yeah. Are ghosts wearing t -shirts? Why is that
44:59
thing wearing a t -shirt? That's like another
45:01
argument someone would make. It's wearing a t
45:03
-shirt. It has to be a person. They captured
45:05
a person on camera. I don't know about that.
45:09
Yeah, it seems like it's wearing a t -shirt.
45:12
Yeah, it's wearing a t -shirt, but why is it
45:14
wearing a top hat? It's really weird. Oh, that's
45:18
just insane. I had tears in my eyes when I saw
45:21
this because I absolutely could not believe it.
45:23
I could not believe it. It really did. freaked
45:27
me out that thinking that something like that
45:29
is in that building and we were with it the whole
45:32
time didn't even realize it because yeah i don't
45:35
like that snout face right there if if i were
45:41
like on that investigation if one if i caught
45:44
the image or two someone caught that image while
45:47
i was in the room with it i think i'd be done
45:49
i'd be done I would be like, you know what? I
45:54
don't need to know anymore. And I would probably
45:57
be done. No, but it's reassuring to know that
46:01
even Brianna's like, yeah, that's weird. Because
46:03
I was just like, was I just in the moment? My
46:06
brain was already broken. Was I just not being
46:08
as critical as I should have been in the moment?
46:11
I literally had just ran out of the room. Yeah.
46:14
I mean, even still, I was not there. I don't
46:18
know, like, you guys have laid out the circumstance
46:21
for me, but I was not there. I couldn't personally
46:25
say, like, yeah, 100 % no, there was not somebody
46:29
in front of that camera. Yeah, I mean, we don't
46:31
even know that for sure either. It's just how
46:34
that thing looks, it's like, what the actual
46:38
heck, you know? Yeah, yeah. There's so many questions
46:43
to be had. so many debates you can see why my
46:46
brain is running around in circles like what
46:49
did we experience i've never felt anything like
46:51
that i've never experienced anything like that
46:53
like you almost couldn't be paranormal because
46:55
it's like how is that even possible that's something
46:58
like your mind cannot properly comprehend you
47:02
know yeah but yet we saw it we saw that picture
47:06
and how everything was combining and not making
47:09
sense at the end it's like what the heck like
47:14
what the heck you can't like physically comprehend
47:17
that you know and we haven't even gone into like
47:21
the details with all these synchronicities like
47:24
we just everything else was so crazy like we
47:26
have all the information all the words that correlated
47:28
all the responses that correlated we'll have
47:30
to go in a deep dive later like connecting all
47:32
those dots but when i say there are synchronicities
47:35
left and right in terms of the responses all
47:37
groups were getting at the same time There was
47:39
scratching on the wall. There was shadow figures
47:41
morphing and charging us, essentially, combined
47:44
with bad vibes. There was display cases rattling.
47:47
All that combined, it's like, what are the implications
47:50
here? I do not think this was demonic, but I
47:53
think it's something that warrants further investigation.
47:56
That's wild. I don't know what to think. Kind
48:00
of wish I would have been there, but also glad
48:02
that I wasn't. Brianna, do you want to attend
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next year's with us? we'll see yeah for all the
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listeners there's only 16 spots available you
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