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Ep. 52 - SeS New Owner Series: Part 1 · StallioneSearch Podcasts

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly for Wednesday, March the 11th, where we talk to the legends and the newsmakers.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's a bit of the when they did it, how they did it, and why they did it.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: If you aren't listening to this, can you really call yourself much of a quarter horse racing fan?
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: Introducing our host, Greg Thompson, and co-host Bailey Ivy.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
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  SPEAKER_19: And hello again, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_12: And I'm Bailey Ivy.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_19: Bailey, you've been busy running the roads up, but you spent a lot of time up there in Oklahoma City this past week.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_19: Talk to us about the vibe and how things kind of got started up there for this 2026 Quarter Horse meet.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, Greg.
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  SPEAKER_12: Birmington Park had a big opening weekend with a great crowd, and it just felt good to have racing back.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_12: This time of year is always fun because you start to see which horses are coming back strong from last season, as well as new sires that might start making a name for themselves.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_19: Was there what's the overall vibe, Bailey?
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  SPEAKER_19: Was it just business as usual?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_19: Everybody seemed happy.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_19: Uh I'm I'm hoping that's the answer.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, everyone, everyone was good.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_19: And on this episode, we got plenty to talk about, don't we, Bailey?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_12: There were a lot of trials that happened all over the country, as well as we're going to be previewing the East Texas and Dequetta stakes up at Remington next week.
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  SPEAKER_19: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_19: You know, the older horse division as well as the distance horse division is without a doubt one of my favorites.
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  SPEAKER_19: I've mentioned it several times here on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_19: You know, a lot of people focus on the two and the three-year-olds, which I enjoy as well, but really intrigued by the older horses as well as the distance horses, and we get our first taste of older horses in the uh Eastertech stakes for sure.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_12: And we'll be starting our new educational series, which today we're going to talk about something that's really important for the future of quarter horse racing, and that's educating new owners and helping people learn how to get involved in this sport.
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  SPEAKER_19: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_19: I'm jokingly, this is of course mine and Bailey's opportunity to get onto the ballot there as of the Gordon Crone and the Millie Vessels Award.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_19: And Ivy is spelled Ivy E.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_19: There's an E in the in the Ivy.
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  SPEAKER_19: So those sending those nomination forms in there to make sure they get it spelled right.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_19: And we'll be right back here on Quota Horse Racing Talk to get right into our feature after these words from our sponsor.
• 2:23
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  SPEAKER_19: Alright, we're back here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk, ready to get into this featured section where we're working on this educational series that we thought up in order to guide the new folks wanting to get into the sport of quarter horse racing.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_19: And maybe if some of these industry experts that we're going to have on the show give the how-tos or some of the how not to do's from their experience, it'll definitely help some of the folks wanting to have a successful path of getting into the industry.
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  SPEAKER_19: Because let's face it, that's what we need, and that's the lifeblood of the continuation of this industry, is to bring this new blood into the sport.
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  SPEAKER_19: Now, joining us first is a bloodstock agent I've known for quite some time by the name of Javier Alvarez.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_19: Now, Javier can be seen at just about all of the yearling sales, watching most horses come in and out, as he is a constant presence at most of these horse sales.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_19: And he buys a lot of yearlings for a lot of clients out there looking to get into the sport.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_19: And he gives tremendous insight in this interview of where he finds some of these new clients, as well as how he tries to steer them on the right path.
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  SPEAKER_19: As Javier has been very innovative by incorporating social media in order to attract some new clients that would have otherwise not known how to get into the sport.
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  SPEAKER_19: So without further ado, let me get him on the phone here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk.
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  SPEAKER_19: Javier, thanks for so much for being here on Quota Horse Racing Talk with us.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_08: Hey Greg, thanks for um having me here on your uh podcast.
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  SPEAKER_19: Javier, let's go back and give a little of a bit of a backstory with you.
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  SPEAKER_19: What you are called in the sport is a bloodstock agent, where you looking for certain horses to fill a need for the clients that are out looking for a runner and you go out and kind of feel that need.
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  SPEAKER_19: So kind of explain to those listening of what it is that a bloodstock agent actually does.
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, Greg, it's uh basically going out looking for a good prospect for the client, depending on on what they're looking for, whether they're looking for a yearling, you know, to run into futurities the following year, if they're looking for a broodware, or they're looking for a sub prospect, and um, and then also is to get them the best that's within their budget.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_08: So my job is uh once I know what they're looking for, what their budget is, then I start looking and getting different options for them.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh whether it's at the uh at the sales, uh I'll go through the catalog, you know, looking at every single one of them.
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  SPEAKER_08: That'll that'll be the best uh the best horse within their budget, whether it's it's uh it's a yearling broodmere, a stud prospect.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh and if it's not through the through the sales, then you know, through um private parties, you know, calling owners, trainers, you know, trying to get the best the best uh for their for what they're looking for.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_19: Javier, where is the pool of people that are wanting to get into the sport?
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  SPEAKER_19: Where where what is the usual typical scenario of of what's their backstory is of why a new person would want to get into the sport of quarter horse racing?
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_08: Well, um, most of the people that uh that have caught me up, they've either had friends or relatives that at one point had horses or they've been around horses uh in their life, and then they got that racing bug and they want to get into the racing world.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh they love the excitement of horse racing and they see other people winning and they also want to have that win picture.
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  SPEAKER_19: How is it that you've been able to attract these new people that are wanting to get into the sport?
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  SPEAKER_19: How do they find a Javier Alvarez and and say, Hey, I want you to go to the sale and I want you to find me this year, Link?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_19: How is it that you've been able to attract these people?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_08: Well, uh, I do a lot of social media marketing, Greg.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um Facebook uh and Instagram.
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  SPEAKER_08: And uh whenever it's sales season, uh as soon as the catalogs come out, uh I'll do uh you know some posts on social media that the you know that the catalog is is is out, uh upload some pictures that are available for the hearings going to the sale, and uh, you know, my past clients call me up, new clients call me up for uh with questions, and you know, that's how we start.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_08: Then we start looking at exactly what they're looking for, a cult of uh a Philly, and um the most important thing is the budget.
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  SPEAKER_08: You know, that's like the that's like the first question that I that I ask them is like, what's your budget?
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  SPEAKER_08: So that way I can help you find the best cult for Philly that's within your budget.
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  SPEAKER_19: Now, as it pertains to steering new people coming into the sport in the right direction, uh you've probably seen hundreds of different scenarios of of people trying to do it on their own or trying to employ somebody like yourself as a blood stock agent.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_19: What have you seen, the plus or the minuses of why you would go with a bloodstock agent versus trying to do it yourself?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_08: Well, uh a bloodstock agent is gonna have a lot of experience looking at pedigrees, looking at confirmation.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_08: I see a lot of people uh in the sales that'll look at horses from the knees up when I personally look at them from the knees down, and that's where a lot of people will buy horses that are offset, that don't have a you know, the correct confirmation, and a bloodstock agent has the experience of picking out the little details that somebody that's you know trying to do it on their own may not be able to uh pick those things up.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_19: As it pertains to setting uh a new owner coming into the sport in the right direction, what have you found as being the most beneficial advice that you give them that getting into the sport, the the steps you're wanting to take to see success, this is the most likely path on doing that?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_08: The first thing that I tell them is not to get discouraged.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_08: Okay, because there's gonna be more losses than than wins in this sport.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_08: And um and as far as like like for example, like you know, like with the two-year-old, those two-year-olds we all want them to you know to break their maiden uh in their in their first out.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_08: But most of them are you know, uh they're not gonna break good, they're not gonna win.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_08: So I always tell uh my clients, you know, if they don't win uh in their first out, you know, don't get discouraged.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_08: It's part of the game.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_08: Most of them will take a little bit more time, you know, a few races for them to get settled in, and then they'll have a better race career.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_19: There's so many processes of after a person buys a horse and and goes off and and sends that horse on its racing career.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, usually that it means putting him on the trailer to send him to a trainer.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_19: You've had plenty of of experience with that.
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  SPEAKER_19: Like what is the advice you would give a new person getting into the sport after they purchase a yearling at a sale?
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  SPEAKER_19: What are they looking for in a trainer in order to send one of their I guess really their investment?
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  SPEAKER_19: Somebody to manage their investment.
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  SPEAKER_08: Right.
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  SPEAKER_08: Well, uh one of the uh things that I you know that we that we talk about when we first start looking at yearlings, you know, when they first call me up, uh is that uh I ask them, okay, we already know what your budget is.
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  SPEAKER_08: Okay, what's the plan?
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  SPEAKER_08: What do you plan on running?
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  SPEAKER_08: Or what do you want to run?
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  SPEAKER_08: Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, uh, New Mexico, California.
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  SPEAKER_08: So once uh they tell me, oh well, uh I want to run in this particular state.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_08: All right, perfect.
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  SPEAKER_08: Okay, so then you know, uh then we look at whatever sale, if you know, if he wants to buy something, you know, to run something with a breeds, then we'll make a plan and then from there I'll tell him, okay, well, there's this trainer and this other trainer, these are very good.
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  SPEAKER_08: I recommend them to you.
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  SPEAKER_08: So then after we buy the yearning, the plan is already uh set up, you know.
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  SPEAKER_08: As to far as like you know, like as far as what futurities and who's gonna train uh that yearning.
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  SPEAKER_08: So as soon as uh we buy him, you know, he's already going off to the to the trainer, you know, to get broke.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_19: So last question, Javier, that I want to ask you is if when this new owner comes about and wants to hire the services of somebody like you, a blood stock agent, to go and apply their time and their effort as well as their expertise and picking a yearling out for them to to have some success at, what can they expect to be charged by somebody like yourself to for your services?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_08: Well, Greg, uh like me personally, uh this is the way that I work.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_08: Um when they call me, uh I always ask them for a deposit, which is a$250 deposit.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_08: So that way I can start looking, for example, uh for the yearnings, you know, going through the catalog, making a list, you know, that's what I ask first.
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  SPEAKER_08: So that way, you know, there's there's uh uh you know some seriousness into this.
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  SPEAKER_08: And then what I charge is from ten thousand and under, I charge a thousand, and then uh over ten thousand uh I charge ten percent commission.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_08: That's what I do uh personally.
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  SPEAKER_08: Uh the other agents, I don't know exactly how much they charge, but that's that's me personally.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_19: Well, thanks for giving your insight into educating a new person coming into the sport, uh especially from the vantage point of a blood stock agent and clearly what to expect when when working with one.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_08: No, Greg, uh thank you.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_08: Uh on the contrary, thank you, Greg, for the uh for the invite.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, you know, for uh anybody out there that's uh getting into the business or that's already in the horse business, uh I'm there available uh for any questions.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_08: You know, you guys can look me up on social media, whether it's Facebook or on or on uh uh Instagram.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_19: We'll see you at the yearling sales, Javier.
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  SPEAKER_19: Talk to you soon.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_19: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_19: For sure.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_19: Thank you, Greg.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_19: Thank you, appreciate it, thank you.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll be right back after these words.
• 14:22
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• 14:24
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• 15:32
  SPEAKER_19: Alright, we're back here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk weekly, ready to talk with our next industry leader.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_19: Now, this one is a little bit different as he is somebody that has two vantage points, as he was not too terribly long ago, was this new incoming owner into the sport of quarter horse racing, and now Cole Moorhead of Royal Vista Ranch is essentially hosting some of the top stallions in the entire quarter horse racing world at Royal Vista there in Wayne, Oklahoma.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_19: And I feel that Cole has tremendous insight and gives some great advice on this interview, talking with some of the new owners, as well as his experience of seeing some of the successful people in the industry that he's mentored himself after in his pursuit for success in this sport.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_19: And without further ado, let's get Cole Moorhead here on the phone on Quarter Horse Racing Talk.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_19: Cole, thanks so very much for joining us here on the Quarter Horse Racing Talk podcast.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, glad to be here, Drake.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_19: As it pertains to the subject that we're tackling this week on the podcast, you've been on both ends of the spectrum here as it pertains to bringing in new clients.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, because it wasn't too terribly long ago that you were one of those new clients new to quarter horse racing.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_19: And so kind of I'm going to tap into both vantage points that you've actually experienced while you've been in the quarter horse racing business.
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  SPEAKER_19: So let's start with in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_19: What was it that attracted you to get into becoming an owner in the quarter horse racing world?
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  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, no, uh, I mean, Greg, my my family, we my my both my parents and my grandparents uh raced some quarter horses and throwbreds growing up.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_07: When I was growing up, they they raced for several decades uh in kind of the Midwest circuit.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_07: And uh so, anyways, grew up on the racetrack and and not you know, not uh mainly throwbreds, but um, but but when I was younger, we had a couple quarter horses and and just always been around, been around horses my entire life.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_07: So um, yeah, I mean in 2017, my dad and I, we were just kind of shooting the breeze and started talking about getting back into the into the breeding game and and trying to run some quarter horses.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_07: And so yeah, we we went to the heritage sale in January of 2017 and and uh found a brood mare and that and that's that's where it started.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_19: When you're looking back at that moment in time and and the the amount of time and effort as well as money that you spent going into the sport, what are some of the obvious things that you would wish you could go back and tell yourself that to try to avoid these pitfalls or or stay clear of this in order to maybe have a higher level of success?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, no, I think I think it's a great question.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I think I think really it's it's one thing that it's easy to do um in anything when you're just kind of dabbling is you know, kind of looking at cutting corners and and taking shortcuts, um you know, trying to do it as affordably as possible, and and understandably so, but you know, I think there's a philosophy out there, and I th I think it just it rings true, you know, time and time again, and a couple things.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_07: I think number one, I think a guy can do more with less in this in this industry.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_07: I think sometimes we think we need to own a bunch of uh a bunch of horses, and sometimes that spreads our resources out, and we we end up owning a bunch of average or below average horses versus you know pulling our resources and and and either buying you know one or uh two better horses and uh or you know investing in in a better breeding, um, or even taking your money and pulling it in a partnership where you can kind of buy a higher quality uh animal.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_07: I just I think at the end of the day, um it's real easy to get spread out and and just get caught up in the numbers.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_07: And and and again, I I think that that that'll end up hurting you in a lot of cases.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_07: I mean it's it's very hard to make uh a lot of numbers work if you're just working with average horses.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_07: So if I if I could step back and and kind of start all over again, I'd probably you know try to focus on those higher-end animals even if I had fewer.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I just I think that's a better business model.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_19: And when you got into the business, you bought these horses and you were going to need to put it with a trainer.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_19: The trainer had to attract you, or or you had to come in contact with that person and and get interested in giving your horse to this person to kind of direct and lead the the whole process.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_19: What was it that that attracted you to whatever trainer you actually went to?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_19: What was it something that the tactic or marketing that they used in order to drive you to do that?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, no, it was it was actually real, you know, simple and uh easy story.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_07: We uh uh my my dad and I, you know, again, we didn't know a lot of the current quarter horse trainers at the time, and um, you know, we wanted to be involved in Oklahoma.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_07: That's where you know we we were we were living in Kansas at the time, and uh didn't, like I said, just didn't know a lot of the the bigger quarter horse trainers that were kind of hot there in 2017.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_07: So we reached out to a couple of our friends, and our biggest concern, and I have a lot of firms that are horse trainers, but uh you know, there's a reputation out there that's you know sometimes they're not all honest.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_07: And uh that was just one of my biggest fears is is getting hooked up with a trainer that we couldn't trust.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_07: And um, you know, we were uh again very small program at that time.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_07: And uh so we called a friend and and he asked me, What are you looking for?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_07: And I said, I I just want somebody that I know when he's talking to me, he's not gonna lie to me.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_07: And uh ended up uh pointing me to Ed Hardy.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_07: Uh and again, this it was funny, this gentleman wasn't using Ed at the time, but I'd heard good things about him.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_07: And uh, you know, I went down, met Ed, and and you know, just immediately realized that you know that the trust could be there and and and kind of you know fostered a friendship and and it's been great ever since.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_07: But I think that's important.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, for somebody just getting into this business, I think you need to absolutely you know find a trainer that that's going to help you and steer you in the right direction because it's real easy to take advantage of of an owner that's that's not there at the barn every day and and maybe doesn't know all the ins and outs of the of the of the horse racing game like I did it, you know.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_07: And uh so I think that's very important.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_07: So I appreciate you asking that question because I do think you know, if if to somebody young or nude coming into the industry, I think a guy could uh I think a person should call around and you know get some references and and try to find that person you can really trust to take care of you.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_19: Plenty of precautionary tales have happened in quarter horse racing, but plenty of successful stories have happened, and you've probably If you take Cole Moorhead out of the equation, what tale out there uh of of the person that's done it the right way that you've admired of how they've done it, what direction did they take?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_19: And what as it pertains to a new person that's listening, wanting to get into the sport, give the small rough draft of what it looked like so they can kind of model their experience of what it should look like in order to try to get to that successful level.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_07: That's a really good question.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I've got many friends in this game, but but one individual that I just you know I feel like has always had a lot of success in this industry, and and just more than I can even fathom before I got into the industry, but but again continues to stay hooked and just continues to find success in the industry, and I feel like he's always done it the right way is is is Ron Schawz.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_07: Ron Schawz was just inducted the OQHRA Hall of Fame um last week, actually, one of the horses that he owned with uh Mr.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_07: Jerry Wells uh McGanzer.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_07: And you know, this is a gentleman, and he sat up there at the podium and said to that audience that evening, he said, Look, I'm I am living proof that you don't need to know anything about horses to be successful in this industry, but you need to know people that know something about these racehorses that we all are out there chasing the dream with.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_07: So, I mean, uh, you know, Ron Charles is a prime example of he he listens, he goes and he surrounds himself with experts.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_07: He he says Jerry Wells was the best horseman he's ever met in his life, and and you know, a lot of people echo that about Mr.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_07: Jerry Wells.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, but but again, he I mean Marty Powers, Roger Daly, you know, all these individuals that Ron leans on, uh, and then his trainers, you know, he's had countless trainers, he's Jack Brooks, you know, Eddie Willis, numerous others.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_07: Uh you know, but but when they when he goes and tells the stories, he always goes and talks to people.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_07: He's never trying to do anything himself.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_07: He's always going and trying to talk to these experts, get their input, and he makes very educated decisions, and he he never gets out over his skis.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_07: It seems like he's always, you know, he he's got his view that he's always trying to invest in.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, again, very few people have had that much success in this industry.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_07: And I love it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, he he lives up like Colby, Kansas, and just he doesn't play the breeding game a lot, but I mean he goes to the he's at the yearling sales, he he studies the book, he talks to the experts.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_07: I just I think he's a prime example of what a guy could do if you spend a little bit of time and really listen um you know to the people out there that that we all have access to.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_07: So, you know, Ron Schleswig, I think that would be one of the individuals that I'd have to give uh a lot of credit to doing it right.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_19: What I also see with a lot of new people coming in, they they go to the yearling sales, they buy, start buying the yearlings.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_19: They might make a mistake or two, but then they they get the one or two really nice horses, and and potentially one of them is a mare uh and it becomes their brood mare.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_19: I see a lot of progression getting away from being the person that's at the sale trying to get the eight or more yearlings uh out of the sale as it pertained to now we're going to start breeding our own.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_19: Why does it seem like that's the natural evolution of people that get into the sport, have some success, and then now they're starting to try to produce their own runners?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_07: I think it's a great, great point, and and no doubt um, you know, something I've I've I've definitely you know done myself.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, you know, again, we we we purchased our first brood mare, uh, you know, just wanted to start, you know, raising uh raising these horses.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_07: So we kind of started with the breeding uh in in in mind and then and then focused more on the running and just had that one mare, but focused kind of more on buying the yearlings.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_07: But again, like you said, you know, I'm I'm always I I love buying the fillies.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_07: In fact, I kind of focus on the fillies at the yearling sales because I I just I I think the residual value is uh you know better than some of these gildings and colts.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_07: So so that's always what we focused on.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_07: And and no doubt when you get one that can run a little bit, or is bred to be a brood mare and looks looks the part, you know, it it does naturally progress to that, to you know, to to increasing the uh um the breeding program.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_07: So I think a couple of things there, Greg, is that you know it's a lot of fun to go buy a yearling and and to race some and you know, see what you got, but but there's not a better feeling that I've experienced than taking one that you've spent the time, you know, picking the mom up, identifying the style you're gonna breed it to, going through the heartaches that come with the breeding program, you know, getting that full on the ground, watching it suck the mom for the first time, and you know, help it grow and and and become this this racehorse, and then you know, fall on them into the winner's circle.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_07: I there's nothing more special than that in this game.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_07: It just it really kind of completes that circle.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_07: And and if you've ever tasted that, you know, it you want to continue to do it.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, again, I'll always buy a few yearlings at the yearling sales, but no doubt.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, this year I'm I'm running you know several of my home breads, and again, I'm I'm not saying that I have the best mares in the country, but you know, you you try to find those you try to find those horses that that you can play with and just continue to improve your own um you know your own breeding stock to the point that you can be at the top of top of the game with your own breeding stock.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_07: Because again, I just think it brings a whole nother level of satisfaction um you know to to to an owner when when you've been through that entire process.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_07: So I think it's an I think I think you're you're spot on it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_07: It's just the natural progression of how it usually works.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_07: Very few people um after they they they do go to the yearling sales year after year, don't end up with a mare or two.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_07: And uh yeah, I think it's great for the sport, I really do.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_19: Well, Cole, thanks so very much for sharing your expertise as well as your insight of what you've have seen success at.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_19: And so to be able to share that and give that to a new incoming owner, and maybe maybe it helps them kind of get along the way and and see some success in there.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_19: But we really appreciate you getting in here and talking to us here on Quota Horse Racing Talk with it.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna tell you there's a lot of wonderful resources out there for new people to this industry.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_07: Just uh there's no dumb questions.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_07: Make sure that everybody's reaching out to the people they can, and and and again, we're just anything we can do to help, that's what we want to do.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks again, Cole.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, sir.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_19: A spectacular producing sire over at Dunn Ranch is a revenant, the AQHA champion two-year-old, as well as the 2022 leading second crop sire, who's by the legendary Mr.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_19: Jess Perry, who sired a Grade 1 winner, Take a Swig of This, winner of the Lowstyle Winner Derby, as well as Grade 1 TQHA stale futurity-winning a maverick, and grade 1$1 million heritage place futurity-winning Apollo Revenge, and AQHA champion two-year-old Philly, and grade two Oklahoma Futurity winning Revenant Moon.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_19: Just to name a few of this talented sire over at Dun Ranch, a Revenant.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: Also standing is the brother to a two-time champion of champions winner, a political victory, the multiple grade one producing sire, Chelitos, the runner-up finisher in the Grade 1 Ed Burke Million, in Hot Pursuit, and the graded stakes winning Juices Loose, and the Grade 1 producer, PYC Fun and Fancy, all standing at Dun Ranch in Winniewood, Oklahoma.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_21: This segment is brought to you by Heritage Place Sales Company in Oklahoma City.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_21: Visit them on the web at heritageplace.com.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_19: Alright, we're back here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly, ready to jump into the recap section.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_19: And the first one right out the bat is going to be the headlining race coming out of all the trials this weekend, and that's the Oklahoma Futurity Agreed 2 event.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_19: 300 yards, two-year-olds going for a purse of over$435,000.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_19: And here's the stretch call of the fastest qualifier, Kiss Me in a Flash.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye Monday needs a lot more.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Kiss Me in a Flash, flying, pulling away with ease.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: We need to buy over three.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Sharp.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_12: Kiss Me in a Flash is a two-year-old Philly by Kiss My Hawks out of the first moon flash mare, flashing my PJs.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_12: She was a 2025 Heritage Place yearling sale purchase of 140,000.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_12: I was able to get on the phone with trainer Jed Bain to talk a little bit about this Philly.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_12: Jed, can you talk a little bit about this horse's progression to get to this point?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah, at the farm, she was uh one of our best babies.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_18: Uh, always showed one of the fastest.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_18: She went for a school and race, uh, was very impressive there and improved off of that in the trials.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_19: All right, over on the West Coast, the Los Al Oaks, a grade one event.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_19: The trials happened this past weekend for three-year-old Phillies going 400 yards, and another headline making performance from the KVN Corona Philly.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_19: Beautiful, as she strolled down the racetrack here at Los Alamitas in the Los Al Oaks trials.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_16: Racing! Beautiful drifting inwards, shiny new drifting outwards.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_16: Fancy up begins fast, and up there too is elemental, but it's beautiful on the inside, shining you down the outside, fancy up third, beautiful's in front from shiny new.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_16: Beautiful's the leader, shiny new on the outside coming.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, got close, beauty beautiful is a three-year-old Philly by KV and Corona out of the first down Dash Mare Butterthink Twice.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_12: She is a 2024 Redoso yearling cell purchase of$29,000 and is owned by Keith Nelson and bred by McCauley Landon Livestock.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_19: Bailey, she is definitely one of the more talented three-year-olds out there.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_19: I think this horse is going to have huge headlines throughout this year.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_19: And Bailey, let's stay out in California and look at the El Primero Delaniel Derby trials the grade two event.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_19: Three-year-olds going 400 yards for a$225,000 purse, and another stellar performance from Apollo Joe's trainee, Dudon Cartel, who ends up being the fastest qualifier going into the finals.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_16: Dudon Cartel begins very smartly.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_16: He's got an acre of space with which to work.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_16: Captain El Coaster, Brother Ray are down the outside.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_16: Accusation running forth.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_16: Dudon Cartel has burst away.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_16: Brother Ruddy getting into second is coming on, but Dudon Cartel has drounced Brother Ruddy with Captain El Coast Bird.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_12: Dudon Cartel is the three-year-old cult, my favorite cartel out of the apolitical dress mare.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_12: Sweet Expectations.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_12: Owned by a partnership of Thompson Racing, Paul Jones, and Alexis Andrade.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_12: Greg was able to get on the phone with Paul Jones, and here's what he had to say about this cult.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_19: Kind of give me from a gate-to-wire analysis on that race.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, um, he really did everything right in this race.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: He was standing in the gates good.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, when the gates open, he he broke supers, probably as good as he's he's broke in a while.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's really, he really put it together.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he was able to get a really good clean trip, and uh he just uh kind of just galloped down through there pretty easily.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Henry didn't have to push him too much.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um just ran a super race as did everything right.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think as he's he's starting to mature as a three-year-old, he's starting to learn how to to do it and get the you know, built his confidence is getting built up too, and he's just starting to really put things together.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_19: All right, next we go down south.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_19: The restricted grade two Mardi Gross Maturity trials happened this past weekend as well.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_19: Two-year-olds, 300 yards.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_19: The final spurse is going to be over$425,000, and this is what the fastest qualifier had to say this past weekend.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_06: And they're off.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_06: MC Blue Cartel like a rocket ship blasts right out for the lead.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_06: Fully loaded as away alertly in second.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_06: TF Painted Ego, KJ Manorane.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_06: It's all MC Blue Cartel.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_06: MC Blue Cartel absolutely wallops them.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_12: MC Blue Cartel is a two-year-old Philly by Carter's Cartel out of the just Louisiana Blue Mare MC Blue Corona, owned by Jaime Cardenas and bred by Bottoms Up Racing.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_12: For trainer Josue Ponce and ridden by Jorge Garcia.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_19: And also this weekend in Bozier City, Louisiana, was the grade two Louisiana Downs futurity trials for two-year-olds going 300 yards.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_19: The final purse will be over$313,000.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_19: And here's the fastest qualifier going down the track there at Bozier City.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_06: And they're off.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_06: Whoopee Cowgirl firing right out for the lead.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_06: Moochoman lady showing speed from the inside.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_06: Sixes fly higher is next, followed by Eagle Star.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_06: Whoopi Cowgirl is clear from Moochoman Lady.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_06: Whoopi Cowgirl has won it.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_12: Whoopi Cowgirl is a two-year-old Philly by Flying Cowboy 123 out of the Tacket Like a Man Mare, Takarosi.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_12: A 2025 TQHA yearling sale graduate of$35,000, owned by Dennis Morin and bred by Dr.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_12: Mark Rigby.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_12: Stopping the clock at 15.309.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_12: For trainer Ramiro Villarial and also written by Jorge Garcia.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_19: Next stop on the recap trial train here is out in Sunland Park for the West Texas Maturity, a grade three event for three year olds and up, going 400 yards.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_19: And let's hear the call for the fastest qualifier going into that graded stakes event.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_15: And then they go coming away well.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_15: Big picture.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_15: They're gonna have to deal with him today.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_15: Paradise Beat is also near the floor with RC Corona King in between them.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_15: What a venomable! Here comes RC Corona King throwing down with Paradise Speed and Big Picture Chasing.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_15: This is one classy New Mexico bread.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_15: Both of them.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_12: R.C.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_12: Corona King is a six-year-old gilding by I am King out of the D First Mare Classy Odds of De First.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_12: Owned by Jose Riojos, trained by Gerardo Quinonez, and ridden by Sergio Dominguez.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_12: Stopping the clock at 19.422.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_19: And that leads us back up to Oklahoma City to look at the qualifiers going into the Grade 3 Oklahoma Derby for three-year-olds going 350 yards with the finals purse of being just shy of$260,000.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're off in the final Oklahoma Derby trial away from the middle of the gate.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: AJ Remember Me, right there toward the outside Toby 2 coming on, toward the inside of the rail.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Avery's Marble Creek trying to move up is Relentless Express with the lead with 150 to go.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now part trying to pull away.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: AJ Remember Me.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Out by two, out by almost three.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Pouring it on at the end.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: AJ Remember Me.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_12: AJ Remember Me is a three-year-old cult by apolitical jest out of the Trey Sacmare Remember Robin, a 2024 Heritage Place yearling sale graduate of$120,000.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_12: Bred by Rantuel Cabresto, owned by Karina Sosa, trained by Josue Jacob Garcia, and ridden by Juan Polito.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_12: Stopping the clock at 17.430.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_19: And that leads us to the grade one event for the Payne horses, the Oklahoma Payne and Appaloosa Futurity, whose trials also went off this past weekend for two-year-olds going 300 yards, and here's the fastest qualifier.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Good start inside DW show and off already out by almost a full-length chase toward the outside by staggered like Haggard Pepperoncini.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: And here comes Trace of Light farther out.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Amplified cool 918 rolling inside.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: DW show and D off.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Out by a pair.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: DW showing D off.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Too easy here.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Up for second trace of light.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_12: DW show and D Off is a two-year-old Colt by Uncle D out of the SF Royal Quick Flash Mare.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_12: She's showing off.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_12: Owned and bred by Danny Watkins, trained by D.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_12: Keener and ridden by Roman Cruz, stopping the clock at 15.776.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_12: Greg was able to get on the phone with D.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_12: Keener, and here's what he had to say.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_19: D kind of analyze that futurity trial as well as how this horse has progressed into be posting the fastest time in a in a grade one futurity.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Greg, this horse has always uh been exceptionally pretty good.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_09: I've uh starting here at the farm and Judy, I worked about everything we working against.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_09: And uh the training race he did say he looked pretty good.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_09: And and what did you see there in that trail race?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_09: Uh I like the way the horse drove how many ran straight, and uh Roman asked him a couple times there just because he's looking at uh board and big screen by uh he he kind of responded and went on.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_19: And we'll be right back with the podcast after these words from our sponsor.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: At Roboshow Ranch, the results keep coming.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Gold Heart Eagle V sired two qualifiers to the restricted grade two Mardi Graph Futurity.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: A political blood added another standout with a qualifier to the grade two Louisiana Futurity, and KV and Corona made headlines with a fastest qualifier to the grade one Los Alamitos Oaks.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Proven Stallions.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_19: Lots of headlines coming from the Stallion roster of Lazy Ranch this past weekend, with Kiss My Hawks putting two qualifiers into the Grade 2 Oklahoma Futurity, including the fastest qualifier Kiss Me in a Flash, and Cyber Monday siring the sixth fastest qualifier in the Grade 1 Losalle Oaks, as well as the fifth fastest qualifier, Jenna Buttercup, into the field of the Oklahoma Futurity, as well as the top sire Valiant Hero siring Valiant Sass to qualify into the field to the Grade 2 event.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_19: Plenty of sires making headlines over there at Lazy Eranch in Guthrie, Oklahoma.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_04: Also check out the sire roster of Grade 1 Super Derby winner Big Lou, the legendary Corona Cartel, the Grade 1 producing Coronado Cartel, the all-time leader First Down Dash, the Grade 1 runner-up Jess Fire Me.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_04: New for 2026 Kempton.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_04: Another leading sire PYC Paint Your Wagon.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_04: New for 2026 Unrelentless.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: All standing in Guthrie, Oklahoma at Lazy E Ranch.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_14: Alright, back to the podcast.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_19: Alright, another industry leader we were able to get on the phone with really needs no introduction.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_19: He's been on the podcast.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_19: Actually, more than likely, he's been on the podcast now more than any other person in the quarter horse racing world, a frequent guest of ours, a friend of the show, Hall of Fame trainer Blaine Wood, who gives a very interesting perspective as Blaine has a lot of the top clients in the country as it pertains to owners in the sport and has seen the success that he can draw in a lot of attention if he were to want to take on a lot of new owners, as well as keeping and maintaining the ones that he has.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_19: But he does give a very interesting perspective on some of the things that you can do, as well as we can do as an industry to attract these new people into the sport.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_19: And so with that being said, let's get Blaine on the phone here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_19: Blaine, thanks so very much for joining us here on this discussion on Quarter Horse Racing Talk.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_11: Sorry I don't hear from Bailey.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, yeah, she's she's got plenty of other things to do to be on the phone with a high-ranking trainer like yourself.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_11: I seen her at Remington Park the other night, and uh uh she is a she's a busy person.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_19: The topic that we're looking at is attracting these new owners, how do established as well as how do new trainers go after and try to attract new owners.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_19: Now you're in a in a scenario where you've told me multiple times that you have the luxury of being able to kind of pick and choose truly who you want to be in business with.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_19: And and not necessarily that you and Trey are out there hanging your shingle of trying to drive in these new owners, but there are some new folks getting into the business that you and Trey actually start working with.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_19: So first and foremost, what efforts do you guys do to try to attract new people into the business that have never been in before?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_11: Well, I think the foremost thing uh that you can do is is just win, and then that will bring them to you.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_11: Uh but uh I'm always uh the the main thing is is is be at the sales.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_11: The sales is uh is pretty much a social event, and uh everybody that's that's uh you know has anything to do with with your total racing horses is usually at a sale.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, you know, your breeders, uh obviously your owners, uh prospective new people, prospective buyers.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_11: And I think the sales is the best place for a a trainer to be at, you know, these major sales.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_11: And uh I know back when I really first started training, we just uh just if you had horses, I would go to the sales and may not have any financial backing to buy anything, but just be seen, if you will.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_11: And uh even in to today, our our operation, we're always uh you know, we're always uh looking for that new prospective buyer, that new uh owner that that's enthusiastic and and and has a good line of communication.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_11: I think you have to have a a great line of communication with with your with your owners.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, you know, I always tell people there's really not a stupid question.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_11: If you don't know something, just uh the best way to you know to find out is ask.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_11: And I think a lot of people are kind of intimidated by by some trainers and and you know, your your your bigger known trainers, if you will.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_11: And the best way is just walk up to them and and man, I guarantee you, uh they'll talk to you.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_11: They'll vi they'll answer any questions you have, and and you know, like from our standpoint, I love to talk to new people and of course obviously you know, the the old uh the established owners, if you will.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_11: But I think I I d I just like the social events and and you know, we're always open for for for new blood, if you will.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_19: With bringing these new owners in and the years that you've uh been doing this uh occupation, clearly you've seen some of the pitfalls that some of these new owners get and and actually make and commit.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_19: What are some of those usual and typical mistakes you try to get those new guys or advise those new guys not to make?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_11: Uh you know, don't expect too much.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_11: Uh I think they you you have to have goals, don't misunderstand me, but you know, uh don't set your goals that that's just uh you know, way out of sight.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_11: Kind of go step by step, and you know well, you know, of course our goals is is obviously to win grade ones and the all-American is is usually our number one goal.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, you gotta start down there and and you know, just to win a race, just to win a maiden race.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_11: Uh and you know, place place your horse and our our particular the way we usually do it, say a new owner comes to us and we buy or they bring us a yearling.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_11: Well, first thing we do is uh assess the yearling at confirmation and uh then we put trying to lay out a format on which races we're gonna try to run this horse in.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_11: And and if you can do that with a new owner and and you're kinda on the same page, you know, that helps get started.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_11: But I think most most new people that get in it, they think that uh you know, we're just gonna set the world afire and and some of them do.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_11: I'm not saying it's not it's impossible, but I think set very brief uh goals that are that are reachable, but you know, you have to face reality sometimes, but just because you own that horse don't make that horse a race horse.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_11: You know, he's not fast.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_11: And and even though you go out there and another thing I always tell people, them horses do not know how much they cost or how much you got in them.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_11: You can go out there and buy a hundred thousand dollar horse, but that that don't make him run and or her.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_11: And uh but I think just don't don't set your goals unreachable.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_11: And and this uh listen to your trainer, listen to your to you know your people that that uh you've hired.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_11: And if you don't have trust in who you hired, then you probably need to hire somebody else.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, they uh I I think just really listen to to you know what you're told.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_11: They're around them every day.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_11: They pretty much know the habits of every horse, and uh but I think that's the biggest you know, people get in it and they're staying in the year and they didn't win a race and they're so disgusted and you know they get these vet bills and they get a horseshoe bill, and you get, you know, all your bills add up and your horse hasn't even won a race.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_11: And I I think that sometimes, you know, detours them a little bit where you you know, uh uh it it it it's a it's really a tough business.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_11: It's it's not uh a money making deal as some people really think.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_11: And then on the other side, if you get lucky, well my gosh, you you know, there's no you can't have any to me, it's it's to me it's still fun.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_11: And uh that's another thing.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_11: You it it's gotta be fun.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, you know, anything that's not fun you're not gonna be very good at or you're not gonna enjoy.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_19: Blaine, I think you touched upon the kind of the next question I was gonna ask is as it pertains to those new owners, surely they're they just don't know what they're in for sometimes.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_19: Uh, and I'm sure that you guys spend adequate time of kind of giving them a ballpark idea of what it's going to look like once the expenses start coming in, because expenses are going to come in first, and hopefully winnings will will soon follow thereafter.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_19: But the first thing that you can guarantee these guys is that there's going to be expenses.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_19: What are some of those, I guess, surprising expenses that these folks run across uh right off the bat that that that that's a typical new owner?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_19: I well, I just wasn't expecting that.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_11: I think the vet bills, I think the vet bills are the f are the main expense that they'll get that vet bill, and and uh, you know, you're trying to you're trying to do everything.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_11: You're trying to oh I don't know, maybe I don't know what the word is.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_11: Maybe not cut any corners.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_11: You're trying to give that horse the best possible care you can.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_11: And a lot of times it's preventative medication.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, you know, they'll the first thing a new uh you need a new owner to call you, they'll get a vet bill and they say, hey, my horse sick?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_11: No, but we don't want him to be sick, or we don't want her to be sick.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_11: And so I think that's the most uh misconception is that first bill, that you need a vet bill, and uh uh we always try to say, you know, we're gonna try to do everything that we can, you know, give this horse everything that he can or or she she can't need, you know, to uh to compete.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_11: And uh there's a lot of preventive medication, you know, and and uh I think that's the number one thing is is is the bill.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_19: The last question, of course, we should probably get all these new owners, especially with with the sport that we're in and the need for new blood always being there.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_19: Uh we should definitely get all these guys together and have a tick or take parade for them at the end of the year, to just a way of saying thank you.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_19: But what what do you feel like as a as a collective, us horsemen could probably do more for to attract these new people to get into the sport?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_11: You know, I think that uh uh we had a deal that was several years ago.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_11: They they picked some the top horsemen.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_11: Uh it was owners, trainers, you know, and they pretty much had just a uh question and answer.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_11: Is that the heritage place and you know, and really publicize it, and new owners can come and ask questions and you know uh I love to visit with new owners.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_11: I I like there's not a stupid question, you know, you always hear that, but there's not.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_11: When you're trying to get involved and and you know, you you want to get your feet wet, I always say, let's just get our feet wet.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, and you you can come in at all different levels.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_11: I've I've bought horses for people, you know, three and four thousand dollars that was competitive.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_11: And of course we bought those high dollar ones as well.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_11: But you know, those horses, I think that's what I always try to reiterate to some of these new owners that want to go out and buy, you know, those horses don't know how much you cost.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_11: And uh and you can go out there and buy them.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_11: I call them high dollar horses, and they don't have to run.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_11: That just because you give that money, don't make them run.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, there's a lot of good ones that have.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_11: I'm not I'm not knocking all the ones that did run.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_11: But I think just give a like a seminar, if you will, at these sales and have a question-answer hat, you know, and really publicize it, and that way these new prospective buyers, which always turn into owners, obviously, that's what they're getting in it for, is to run.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_11: And and you know, they can ask questions and and you have replicable people there that can answer the question to the best of their knowledge, and and people like me, Mike Joyner, uh, John Steinbo, I can go on and on and on.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_11: You know, we enjoy that, that you know, and and it it always creates an uh usually a new client.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_11: And uh and I are in wood racing, we always call them clients, but we become friends and uh almost become family, if you will.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_11: And uh, you know, if I don't think you have a family atmosphere, you know, it it's hard to keep you know things going when things are not going good, or when you're not winning.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_11: That's what I think.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_11: I I think just open up and and you know, put everything out there and and where you can answer questions for some of these people, and and I think that would help a lot.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_19: Blaine, thanks so much for joining us here on this discussion of talking about bringing new owners in the sport, and as always, appreciate your input with us here on the podcast.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_11: Oh man, thanks for having me anytime, Greg.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_11: I I appreciate it.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_11: And just yeah, thanks for for including me.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_19: The Royal Vista Ranch feature sire this week is FDD Going Grand, an AQHA racing champion sire, as well as a multiple graded stake sire that's the son of FDD Dynasty.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_19: FDD Going Grand produced the grade one winner, the Grand Legend, an earner of over$477,000, who was named AQHA Racing Champion Distance Horse, as a runner on the track.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_19: Check out his stallion page at stallionesearch.com and take a look at the other talented sires standing there at Royal Vista Ranch in Wayne, Oklahoma.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_04: Also standing for 2026 is multiple graded stakes finalist, a political J Streak, the already legendary leading sire, a political Jess, a perennial leading sire, flying cowboy 123, multiple stakes producing sire, heart of the cartel, and new for 2026, the Grade 1 winner, Just Dulce.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_04: All this talent standing at Royal Vista Ranch in Wayne, Oklahoma.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: Champions produced runners, and Eagles Fly Higher is proving it.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: His son, a desperate eagle, has qualified to the Grade 3 Oklahoma Derby, competing for a$259,000 purse and adding to the Stallion's growing list of elite performers.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: Eagles Fly Higher stands in 2026 at the Louisiana Center for Equine Reproduction.
• 53:15
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• 53:20
  SPEAKER_12: Alright, let's talk some of the horses to watch in the Grade 2 East Tech stakes.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, these graded stakes that are happening on the 14th there in Oklahoma City, Bailey.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_19: I'm excited about finally getting these older horses going down the racetrack for their 26th debut.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_12: First up, Jace Freight Train.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_12: She's coming off a win in the Hobbes America Derby and also ran second in the$250,000 Texas Classic Oaks last year.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_12: Now with regular rider Juan Palito on board, I think she's going to be tough to beat.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, really great race she ran.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_19: You know, just barely missed in the Texas Classic Oaks back in November and then came back in December there at Zia Park.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_19: And let's listen to the stakes call of the Hobbs American Derby.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_06: And they're off.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_06: Toast and Arrow stumbled at the start.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_06: Jay Straightrain from the inside, charging out.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_06: Pavel Eagle Eye is right there.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_06: As is Woody Rock's Apollo Iceman.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_06: Inside Peppa.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's Jay Straight Train in front.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_06: Outside.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_06: Pavel coming on with Eagle Eye, but they're running out of ground.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_06: Jay Straight Train, the winner.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_19: Alright, Bailey, another horse to watch in this graded stakes event.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_19: Comes out of the part of Jed Vane by the name of Out of Sight.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_19: Last time out, barely missed there in the grade one low style super derby.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_19: Some people probably would argue with us that this is the most likely favorite going into this race.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_12: Jed's gotten this horseback now and he's been pretty high on him, so I think that with a little time off, he's gonna make a strong run in this one.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, and I can tell you that not having to face the older horse category out in California with being here in the East Texas kind of a measuring stick, Bailey, of seeing how the nicer older horses here in Oklahoma kind of line up to the older horses out there in California right now.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_12: It should be an exciting race with these two, and we'll see if Jay's freight train can keep her winning streak going, or if out of sight can challenge her at the finish.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_19: Another horse to talk about is the Altoona Derby winner out of the barn of Jason Olmsted, Relentless Rocket, is currently on a four-race win streak.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_19: As a matter of fact, in the last six races, has won five out of the six races, including a win in the Canterbury Derby, as well as a win in the Altoona Derby.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_19: And here's the stretch call there at Prairie Meadows.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's Curly D to the front, Relentless Rocket trying to chase that one down.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_05: And from mid-pack, also coming on, here comes Flying Bandita.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_05: Flying Bandita, Relentless Rocket, go on.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_05: Relentless Rocket just in front.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_05: Relentless Rocket won the Altoona Derby.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: Being Flying Bandita tight for third.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_12: What's there not to like about this horse, Greg?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_12: He's on a four-race win streak and he just knows how to win.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_19: And the loss he had there at the Prairie Meadows Derby, it was just by a neck.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_19: So literally, we could be talking about a horse that's won six straight if it wasn't for that tiny little hiccup in its past performance.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_19: This horse is also going to be tough going there in the finals.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_12: Another horse that caught my eye was Presido Pete.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_12: He's on a three-raced win streak as well.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, and the last three wins have all come in stakes company yet.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_19: They have been state-bred Colorado races.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_19: However, the momentum's there.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_19: And if this horse steps up and runs one of its best races, which it most likely will have to do against this company, Bailey, it's definitely possible that this we could see this horse there at the winner circle.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_19: Which leads me to the last horse to talk about in the Eastex here, and that's Lightning Strikes.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_19: Now, this horse has not seen Stanks Company, but is coming into this race on a five-race win streak and has kind of walked itself up through the allowance ranks after humble beginnings, Bailey.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, Greg, he started in a$10,000 maiden claiming race.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, and it's worked its way up.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_19: It's graduated to try to hit the big time here in the stakes, and it will have to run the probably the race of its life in order to be competitive with these guys.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_19: And those look like the top runners going into the East Texas weekend.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_12: And now let's talk about the ladies, Greg, and the grade two Dequetta Stakes.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, um, great field.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_19: Grade one winner is headlining the field.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_19: I would almost have to say that the favorite is Alley Cat Dynasty, has the outside, has Roman Cruz, a regular rider.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_19: It's far back as the past performances I have there, Bailey.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_19: Roman Cruz has ridden every race.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_19: But last time out was the huge event there in Albuquerque in the in the Distaff Challenge Championship, the grade one event.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_19: And here's the stretch call.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_17: Racing in the Cox Ranch Distaff Challenge, and Paige got a beautiful break in the center of the track.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_17: Just outside of her JR Sakes Alive down towards the inside.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_17: Amber alert.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_17: Also right there is Calgirl up, but it's Paige in the middle of the racetrack.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_17: On the far outside, there comes Alley Cat Dynasty.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_17: Paige Alley Cat Dynasty.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_17: Alley Cat Dynasty's charging on the outside.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_17: Alley Cat Dynasty gets up and win it by a hand.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_12: She just missed winning the Juno's request to Curl's Joyful Wagon, or else we would be talking about a two-time grade one winner and four wins in a row.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_12: My favorite thing about this horse is her consistency.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, the only defeat was against Curl's Joyful Wagon, and I believe she was went on to be AQHA champion.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_19: Is that correct, Bailey?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, she did.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_12: Another horse I like in this field is Flying Novo 123, a four-year-old who has a three-race win streak and is coming off a win in the mystery derby.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_12: She's also trained by Jesus Ruiz.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_19: And was also regularly ridden by Roman Cruz, which Roman had a choice to make and chose Alley Cat Dynasty, which, you know, it's hard not to continue to stay on a grade one winner going into the next race.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_19: We were able to talk with Jesus about these two talented mayors going into the finals.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_19: Mr.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_19: Ruiz, thanks for joining us here on the podcast, a quarter horse racing talk.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_19: I want to talk about flying Nova 123, winner last time out of the mystery derby.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_19: This horse is on a three-way race win streak going into the East Tech stakes, obviously, probably facing some of the top company that it's ever faced before.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_19: Give me some insight of this mayor going into this big race.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_10: Well, you know, she's driving good.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_10: You know, she's happy.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_10: And I got a real nice rider on it.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_10: You know, James Flores is going to be riding her, you know, and uh he's been taking a man galloping and he's happy with it, you know.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, she'd be tough.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_19: Should be tough.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_19: And also be facing the her stablemate, Alley Cat Dynasty, which is a grade one winner last time out there in Albuquerque, gets the riding assignment of Roman Cruz again, and this horse is also on a two-race win streak, both of them being graded stakes, and now you're facing another tough task here going into the decada.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, no, you know, she's a nice man, you know.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_10: She's uh she's the kind of horse that they have because in the bar, you know, and uh we cannot be more happy to have the Tian Ho, you know.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, the Tian Ho is the best guy in the race, right?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_10: If you go in there and do everything right, you know, I think you'll become you got the speed to do it.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_10: You know, she's a nice man.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_19: It's always tough to run these nicer horses against each other, but uh you definitely can't miss these greatest stakes.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_19: I'm assuming that's the the logic behind putting both of these horses in the same race.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_10: We uh talk about it, you know, with my own, you know, and he was I mean, I can tell, you know, he was friendly little he was not too happy about it, you know, because I mean Roman crew, you know, he's been on these man, you know.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_10: Believe it or not, you know, everybody wants to have a Roman crew, you know, you know Roman Cruise.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_10: I don't like to do that.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_10: You got two nightmares you went and separate, you know, put them in different ranges, but the only thing you can run.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_19: Well, good luck this weekend, Mr.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_19: Ruiz, and we'll be uh hopefully interviewing you in the winner circle afterwards with one of these two talented mayors going into this big graded stakes event in the Deccetta.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_10: I hope you're right.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_10: You know, you never know about race.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_10: What over the put in ice and they like to run and they love this track, so let's see what they can do.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_12: Another four-year-old mayor in this race, trained by Mark Youngers, is Isa Wagging My Tail.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_12: She's running some big graded stakes races in California and has consistently hit the board.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, if you look at the past performance on this mayor, really consistent.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_19: Like you said, a ransom handicap winner there at Los Alamitas comes back in a charger bar, misses winning that grade one event by half a length, and then comes back and misses another victory by just a length there in the denim and diamond stakes, a grade three event.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_19: This horse is very consistent, very tough, and should be very tough going up against this field.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_19: Now, I think she'll have to run a top-level race in order to face the horse on the outside, Alley Cat Dynasty, as well as the other Ruiz trainee in Flying Nova 123.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_19: But those three look like the standouts in this field.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_19: All right, that's all the time we have here on Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly and Bailey, another great show.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, a big thank you to our guests for joining us and sharing some insight on educating new owners and helping people get involved in quarter horse racing.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, and to share their expertise and their years of experience, it it's it's really beneficial for someone trying to get into the business and and look forward to continuing this series.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, it's always great, I think, to hear perspectives that help grow the sport and make it easier for new people to get started.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_19: And I think the natural progression of this series, Bailey, is now that we've kind of talked about getting new owners in there and they go to the sale, that's that's essentially what we'll talk about.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_19: The next step is to actually talk about going to the sale and how to act, what to look for, and how to interact with the trainer and future equine investment and what to kind of expect.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_12: Now, I also look forward to talking about the East Tex and Dequetta stakes up at Remington Park next week.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_19: Yes, lots of great action up there in Oklahoma City.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_19: And as always, thanks for tuning in.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_19: If if you know someone out there that hasn't started listening to Quarter Horse Racing Talk Weekly, help us grow the brand here and tell them to get on there and start listening and start getting educated, as well as start getting involved in the quarter horse racing world.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_19: And I'm Greg Thompson.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm Bailey Ivey.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_19: And we'll see you next week here on Quarter Horse Racing Talking.