Latest / Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast / The London Chambermaid Slayer - Gerald Thomas Archer
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- 0:07Speaker 1: Between nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy one, three women
- 0:11Speaker 1: were murdered inside their homes across southwestern Ontario, Canada. Each
- 0:16Speaker 1: case was investigated separately, and each left without answers. What
- 0:21Speaker 1: investigators didn't realize, though, was that the victims shared more
- 0:25Speaker 1: than just circumstances. They shared the same job, the same vulnerabilities,
- 0:30Speaker 1: and the same killer, and it would ultimately take decades
- 0:35Speaker 1: before they ever connected any of those dots. This is
- 0:39Speaker 1: the story of a man who got away with it
- 0:42Speaker 1: strictly because of circumstances. This is the story of the
- 0:47Speaker 1: serial killer Gerald Thomas Art. This is the story of
- 0:54Speaker 1: the serial killer Gerald Thomas Archer, aka a London chamber
- 1:01Speaker 1: made slayer.
- 1:03Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked
- 1:07Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcasting.
- 1:11Speaker 1: The following podcast material more audience listeners. It's a Canadian
- 1:41Speaker 1: case today, so I thought it be a Canadian.
- 1:44Speaker 2: Be a Canadian?
- 1:46Speaker 1: Huh is this Canadian?
- 1:48Speaker 2: The drink or the drinking?
- 1:51Speaker 1: Is drinking a Canadian thing?
- 1:52Speaker 2: I don't think it's more than just a Canadian thing.
- 1:54Speaker 1: Well, I know it is, but I was just I
- 1:56Speaker 1: don't know, I didn't know what to say, and that's
- 1:58Speaker 1: what I said, So I said it.
- 1:59Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know, I've got to enjoy a bevy
- 2:02Speaker 2: once in a while, especially after a hard day of researching.
- 2:06Speaker 1: And it was a hard day of researching. So I
- 2:09Speaker 1: earned it. And here I am drinking.
- 2:11Speaker 2: Go there, you go?
- 2:13Speaker 1: There?
- 2:13Speaker 2: I is Shania Twain Canadian? Yes?
- 2:16Speaker 1: What do you mean?
- 2:17Speaker 2: Okay? What? I was almost certain she was?
- 2:20Speaker 1: How did you not know she was not Canadian?
- 2:22Speaker 2: Well? I was starting to dope myself. But anyway, are
- 2:25Speaker 2: you jealous of my shirt?
- 2:26Speaker 1: Yes? I am, but I feel like you should not
- 2:28Speaker 1: be wearing that shirt now.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Well I think I was getting her mixed up with
- 2:33Speaker 2: someone else with who another Canadian person? I think because
- 2:38Speaker 2: Celine Dion is also Canadian.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Selene's Canadian.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Good singers.
- 2:43Speaker 1: So is Avri Levine.
- 2:45Speaker 2: Justin Biebes.
- 2:46Speaker 1: Yeah not my not my favorite, not my forte, but
- 2:48Speaker 1: he is Canadian. He's talented. We need to at least
- 2:50Speaker 1: admit that. Whether you like his music or not, he
- 2:53Speaker 1: is a talented individual.
- 2:55Speaker 2: Talented. Anyway, I am wearing a Shania Twain shirt and
- 2:59Speaker 2: it's a shirt Ben wanted. Yep, But why didn't you
- 3:03Speaker 2: get it?
- 3:04Speaker 1: It was in the lady section. Lady shirt just not
- 3:07Speaker 1: like like a cut or shirt design like size wise
- 3:12Speaker 1: that I would wear, you know what I mean?
- 3:14Speaker 2: Okay, well I love it. Yeah, just to make you jealous.
- 3:19Speaker 1: Maybe I should just start wearing it anyways, You'll see
- 3:22Speaker 1: me just wearing it around and be like, man, A
- 3:24Speaker 1: feel lack woman. Sorry, I'm not going to keep doing that.
- 3:28Speaker 2: Well have you gone to her concert? Ort all?
- 3:30Speaker 1: No, but I wish I had.
- 3:32Speaker 2: I know, I've gone once. It was awesome. Yeah, you
- 3:35Speaker 2: missed out.
- 3:35Speaker 1: I did. I missed it.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Maybe there'll be another opportunity.
- 3:38Speaker 1: Maybe fingers crossed. But there's always another opportunity, especially when
- 3:43Speaker 1: it comes to signing up over on Patreon. So shout
- 3:46Speaker 1: out to our patrons Gillian Ross, Petra Rachel Dryman, Calinda Jeffrey,
- 3:52Speaker 1: Heather Lavalley, Victoria Peters, and bat Jin. Thank you very
- 3:57Speaker 1: much for signing up on Patreon. And like I said,
- 3:59Speaker 1: it's ever too late to sign up and get that
- 4:01Speaker 1: exclusive behind the scenes in the extra episode like the
- 4:04Speaker 1: one that came out the other day. It was a
- 4:05Speaker 1: bit of a fun one we did too.
- 4:07Speaker 2: It was fun. Also, are you not going to comment
- 4:09Speaker 2: how I actually set you up for that sege, did
- 4:11Speaker 2: you mean to I sure.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Did know you didn't.
- 4:14Speaker 2: I did act really uh huh like pinky swear.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Yes, And I just took the bait like think you.
- 4:21Speaker 2: Didn't take it. You kind of paused and I was like,
- 4:23Speaker 2: what is he doing?
- 4:24Speaker 1: That's perfect?
- 4:27Speaker 2: But then you took it.
- 4:28Speaker 1: Well. I was kind of acting a little casual about it,
- 4:30Speaker 1: you know, Okay, that's what I was trying to do,
- 4:32Speaker 1: make it seem a little more nonchalant.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Well, good job, because you had me fooled.
- 4:37Speaker 1: I was kind of well, that's good. Heck, I didn't
- 4:39Speaker 1: want it to be too chalant. I wanted non chalant,
- 4:42Speaker 1: you know, mix it up a bit. But we do
- 4:44Speaker 1: have an interesting case today. It's a Canadian case. As
- 4:47Speaker 1: I mentioned, it's another serial killer case. Like I said,
- 4:50Speaker 1: I've been diving into a bit of those again recently,
- 4:52Speaker 1: and I think this is one you've never even heard of.
- 4:55Speaker 1: I'm almost guaranteeing that. In fact, I have a feeling
- 4:58Speaker 1: many people have never heard of this case before.
- 5:01Speaker 2: Oh is it not very big big one out there?
- 5:03Speaker 1: It's not very known. In fact, I had trouble finding
- 5:07Speaker 1: information for this case.
- 5:08Speaker 2: Really. It's a bit old, but not that old.
- 5:11Speaker 1: Well, it's also I think it's a matter of how
- 5:14Speaker 1: the case unfolded over time too. That buried a lot
- 5:18Speaker 1: of things about it, oh okay, and made it not
- 5:20Speaker 1: so much forefront because a lot of its situations you have,
- 5:23Speaker 1: you know, a serial killer happens and it's like great
- 5:26Speaker 1: big headlines, you know, oh, this serial killer on the loose, right,
- 5:29Speaker 1: and they try and find him and then boom they
- 5:30Speaker 1: got him or whatever. Well, this case, they didn't even
- 5:34Speaker 1: realize he was a serial killer until like way later.
- 5:39Speaker 2: Dang.
- 5:40Speaker 1: Then it was like, oh wait, that's attributed to him, okay.
- 5:44Speaker 1: And then by that time it was like the headlines
- 5:46Speaker 1: are already decades old, and like, you know, it didn't
- 5:48Speaker 1: really ever explode in that sense.
- 5:51Speaker 2: That's scary.
- 5:52Speaker 1: It is it is. It was a quiet quiet, a
- 5:56Speaker 1: slow burn, A slow burn, A slow burn.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Yes, we've talked about that before. I don't think you
- 6:03Speaker 2: should use that word, but anyway, okay.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Well it's appropriate though, and I'm not trying to correlate
- 6:09Speaker 1: any sort of euphemisms or anything like that. I'm serious.
- 6:11Speaker 1: It's it's a slow burn as far as the story goes,
- 6:15Speaker 1: and that's that's the case.
- 6:17Speaker 2: I can only associate slow burn with romance novels though
- 6:20Speaker 2: for some reason, So it just triggers something in my brain.
- 6:25Speaker 1: Well, maybe you should stop reading so much smut. Maybe
- 6:29Speaker 1: that's the solution.
- 6:30Speaker 2: I don't. I actually haven't been reading much. I think
- 6:33Speaker 2: I need to read more smut. Whoa you just kidding? Okay, Now,
- 6:38Speaker 2: the last book I read it was it was kind
- 6:40Speaker 2: of like romancy, but it was not like I would
- 6:43Speaker 2: have been fine with you listening to the whole book.
- 6:45Speaker 2: So there you go.
- 6:46Speaker 1: Oh so there's books you've listened to where you're not
- 6:48Speaker 1: fine with me listening. Oh yeah, Oh okay, all right,
- 6:52Speaker 1: now I really know what kind of stuff's going down
- 6:54Speaker 1: in your headphones when you're when you're quote unquote working.
- 6:57Speaker 2: Okay, let's get going, all right.
- 7:01Speaker 1: So, in the nineteen sixties and into the early nineteen seventies, London, Ontario, Canada,
- 7:07Speaker 1: looked exactly like you like you would expect from a
- 7:09Speaker 1: mid sized Canadian city, you know, especially when you hear
- 7:13Speaker 1: just even a little bit about it. It was known
- 7:15Speaker 1: as the Forest City, a place with tree lined streets,
- 7:20Speaker 1: quiet neighborhoods, and a population that hovered around two hundred
- 7:24Speaker 1: thousand people. At the time. There was a university, a
- 7:27Speaker 1: growing medical community, and the kind of steady, predictable pace
- 7:30Speaker 1: of life that didn't draw a whole lot of attention
- 7:33Speaker 1: to itself. However, beneath all that surface of this you know,
- 7:38Speaker 1: amazing looking, flourishing city, something else underneath wasn't right. See,
- 7:43Speaker 1: over a span of roughly twenty five years, from the
- 7:46Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties into the mid nineteen eighties, the city
- 7:49Speaker 1: and its surrounding areas saw a disturbing number of murders.
- 7:53Speaker 1: In fact, by the time the researchers investigators began looking
- 7:56Speaker 1: back at that period, they identified more than thirty sides
- 8:00Speaker 1: that showed signs of being connected to several different serial offenders.
- 8:05Speaker 1: So it's almost like a Canadian Golden Age of serial killers,
- 8:09Speaker 1: if you will. Now. Even more in settling, there were
- 8:12Speaker 1: points during that time where multiple killers had been operating,
- 8:16Speaker 1: in fact, all at once, overlapping one another, even in
- 8:19Speaker 1: the same regions, without anyone fully realizing it. And at
- 8:23Speaker 1: that time though none of that was clear like it
- 8:26Speaker 1: is nowadays, police departments were often working case by case
- 8:31Speaker 1: and going across different towns or jurisdictions. Even like a
- 8:35Speaker 1: murder in London might not even be immediately connected to
- 8:37Speaker 1: one that was in a nearby place like Chatham or
- 8:40Speaker 1: in Merlin, and communication between departments certainly wasn't what it
- 8:44Speaker 1: is today either. There was no shared database, no DNA profiling,
- 8:49Speaker 1: and not even a widely used understanding of what quote
- 8:51Speaker 1: unquote a serial killer really was. The term itself wasn't
- 8:55Speaker 1: part of everyday investigative language yet, so when bodies were found,
- 8:59Speaker 1: they were treated it as isolated incidents, tragic, violent, but separate.
- 9:05Speaker 1: It's honestly something that we've talked about a few times
- 9:07Speaker 1: on this podcast at this point, howse killers can outpace
- 9:12Speaker 1: authorities and travel from location to location committing crimes without
- 9:15Speaker 1: the connection ever being drawn, simply because of the slow
- 9:19Speaker 1: progression of cases and the difficult difficulty and communication between
- 9:23Speaker 1: different jurisdictions and police forces as well.
- 9:27Speaker 2: You have to also think, is that scarier to know
- 9:32Speaker 2: that there's a serial killer out there or is it
- 9:35Speaker 2: better just not to know?
- 9:37Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely better to know, because you can at
- 9:40Speaker 1: least protect yourself in some certain sense of the word.
- 9:43Speaker 1: You can know there's someone on the loose in your neighborhood.
- 9:46Speaker 1: You can lock your doors, you can leave the lights on,
- 9:48Speaker 1: you can make sure that you know people are looking
- 9:51Speaker 1: out for you, and you look out for your neighbors.
- 9:52Speaker 1: You have neighborhood watches. The list goes on. You can
- 9:55Speaker 1: do things, You can arm yourself, you can ready yourself.
- 9:58Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I guess serial killers nowadays have to
- 10:01Speaker 2: almost be smarter hey than they did then.
- 10:05Speaker 1: Really well, I think everyone does have to as well.
- 10:08Speaker 2: True.
- 10:09Speaker 1: I mean, if you go to a bar and you
- 10:10Speaker 1: do a silly little dance all drunk or something, there's
- 10:13Speaker 1: a good chance it might end up on Instagram or TikTok.
- 10:15Speaker 1: So you just got to live and act smarter no
- 10:18Speaker 1: matter what you do.
- 10:19Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that the truth?
- 10:21Speaker 1: Yeah? But in this case, when there was tough communication
- 10:24Speaker 1: and everything, it meant patterns were really easy to miss.
- 10:28Speaker 1: And trust me when I say there were patterns. Victims
- 10:32Speaker 1: in some of these cases shared similarities. The violence showed
- 10:36Speaker 1: familiar traits. There were signs that certain offenders had very
- 10:39Speaker 1: specific methods and even targets, but without the tools or
- 10:43Speaker 1: systems to connect those dots, the bigger picture just stayed hidden.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Looking back now, it's clear that London and the surrounding
- 10:52Speaker 1: region were dealing with not just a single threat. They
- 10:56Speaker 1: were dealing with several and somewhere in that chaos, moving
- 11:00Speaker 1: between the cities, blending into bars, apartments and hotel corridors,
- 11:06Speaker 1: one of those threats existed. He was a man who
- 11:09Speaker 1: at the time looked nothing more than like just another
- 11:12Speaker 1: face in the crowd. No one realized yet he was
- 11:15Speaker 1: part of that pattern, or how long he had already
- 11:18Speaker 1: been part of it at all. His name was Gerald
- 11:21Speaker 1: Thomas Archer and he was born in nineteen thirty two
- 11:25Speaker 1: in London, Ontario. By the time he reached adulthood, he
- 11:28Speaker 1: had already built himself a bit of a criminal record.
- 11:32Speaker 1: By the age of eighteen, he'd been involved in offenses
- 11:34Speaker 1: like robbery, breaking and entering, and possession related offenses as well.
- 11:39Speaker 1: It wasn't headlined stuff by any means, but it was
- 11:42Speaker 1: enough to establish a very a very early pattern, you know,
- 11:45Speaker 1: petty crime, instability, and tendencies to drift. As the years
- 11:50Speaker 1: went on, Gerald moved between towns in southwestern Ontario, taking
- 11:55Speaker 1: on temporary work when he needed it, but never holding
- 11:57Speaker 1: anything long term. He preferred it that way. Jobs came
- 12:01Speaker 1: and went, and money came and went even faster. What
- 12:04Speaker 1: didn't change was where he spent most of his time, bars,
- 12:09Speaker 1: cheap hotels, and the kind of places where people didn't
- 12:11Speaker 1: ask too many questions. Those were his regular kind of places. Then,
- 12:16Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, he began talking with a woman
- 12:20Speaker 1: named Mary. The two didn't meet in person at first,
- 12:23Speaker 1: and it's not exactly clear how their relationship began. What
- 12:27Speaker 1: we do know is that it started through writing letters
- 12:31Speaker 1: and correlations that way, which wasn't uncommon at the time.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Their relationship, though, it did blossom, and after about a
- 12:39Speaker 1: year of writing back and forth and being pen pals,
- 12:41Speaker 1: they finally met in December of nineteen sixty seven. Then
- 12:46Speaker 1: eleven days later, they got married. Now, Mary was about
- 12:51Speaker 1: eighteen years older than Gerald. In many ways, she brought
- 12:54Speaker 1: a lot of stability that he didn't have on his own.
- 12:57Speaker 1: She worked steady jobs, including at a nursing home, and
- 13:00Speaker 1: became the primary source of income in their life. Gerald,
- 13:04Speaker 1: on the other hand, relied heavily on earnings of well
- 13:08Speaker 1: her earnings and earnings on hindside were welfare and whatever
- 13:12Speaker 1: sort of short term stuff you could find just to
- 13:15Speaker 1: get the cash he needed right then and there. But
- 13:17Speaker 1: much of that money ended up going back into his routine,
- 13:20Speaker 1: you know, drinking, in local bars, often the cheaper and
- 13:23Speaker 1: rougher ones. At one point the couple lived in a
- 13:26Speaker 1: small rural village of Merlin, which is a quiet community
- 13:29Speaker 1: in southwestern Ontario, located within what is now Chatham, Kent.
- 13:35Speaker 1: Then in October of nineteen seventy, they relocated to the
- 13:38Speaker 1: nearby town of Chatham, roughly a half hour drive away
- 13:42Speaker 1: in about an hour from London, Ontario, settling in to
- 13:45Speaker 1: Adelaide Street South, a move that placed them closer to
- 13:49Speaker 1: a more active downtown area. Now. The move was a
- 13:53Speaker 1: practical one because Mary needed to be closer to work,
- 13:55Speaker 1: and without a car, communicating from a smaller village had
- 13:58Speaker 1: become difficult, so it just made sense now. Their life
- 14:02Speaker 1: together wasn't glamorous by any means, was quiet, even strained,
- 14:06Speaker 1: and built around getting by. In this setting, Gerald looked
- 14:11Speaker 1: like a man who simply drank too much, worked too little,
- 14:15Speaker 1: and carried a bit of a criminal past. In the
- 14:19Speaker 1: bars he frequented, he was just another regular, though in
- 14:22Speaker 1: the neighborhoods he lived in, he was just another tenant
- 14:25Speaker 1: trying to make ends meet, and by all those accounts,
- 14:28Speaker 1: he simply blended in to the many of those other
- 14:30Speaker 1: people like him in the area. But for now, that's
- 14:35Speaker 1: enough of Gerald. By the end of January nineteen sixty nine,
- 14:39Speaker 1: Jane Woolley was around sixty years old. She was living
- 14:43Speaker 1: alone in a small apartment on York Street in London, Ontario.
- 14:47Speaker 1: She'd found herself a job and worked as a chambermaid
- 14:49Speaker 1: at a nearby hotel. It was called the London House
- 14:52Speaker 1: and it was located at the corner of Dundas and Talbot.
- 14:56Speaker 1: It didn't pay much and no one paid much attention
- 14:58Speaker 1: to her, but it was an honest and reliable living.
- 15:03Speaker 1: People here came and went, and employees often did too.
- 15:06Speaker 1: And on January twenty ninth of that year, Jane went
- 15:09Speaker 1: to collect your paycheck after she left for work, But
- 15:12Speaker 1: after that no one can say for certain where she went.
- 15:15Speaker 1: She was known to spend time at local hotel bars,
- 15:17Speaker 1: moving between places in the downtown area, but there were
- 15:20Speaker 1: no confirmed sightings of her after she left work that day.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Then she didn't even show up for work the next
- 15:25Speaker 1: day on January thirtieth, which at first didn't raise a
- 15:29Speaker 1: media alarm. As I mentioned, the job had some people
- 15:32Speaker 1: who were not exactly staying all the time. High turnaround
- 15:35Speaker 1: of employees if you will, and people deciding not to
- 15:38Speaker 1: show up for work and just not ever showing up
- 15:41Speaker 1: again was not exactly uncommon, and so by the thirty
- 15:44Speaker 1: first her position as a chambermaid had already been filled
- 15:48Speaker 1: with a new employee.
- 15:49Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, So she didn't show up, but they
- 15:51Speaker 2: just didn't really look into it and just filled it
- 15:54Speaker 2: with someone else.
- 15:55Speaker 1: Yep, So she didn't show up one day, and then
- 15:57Speaker 1: by the next day her positions filled.
- 16:00Speaker 2: We see. That's kind of sad, because sometimes there could
- 16:02Speaker 2: actually be shit going down.
- 16:04Speaker 1: And wrong, well exactly. But that's the thing is, there's
- 16:08Speaker 1: no indicators to say there's something wrong in a space
- 16:11Speaker 1: where people just don't show up all the time. You
- 16:14Speaker 1: assume it's just another one of those regular situations and
- 16:17Speaker 1: not something out of the norm. I get what you mean, though,
- 16:21Speaker 1: if only there was a way of knowing and actually
- 16:23Speaker 1: doing something about it. But thankfully that's kind of more.
- 16:27Speaker 1: The case today is people will, we'll call you or
- 16:30Speaker 1: text you or email you or whatever, right, but back then,
- 16:34Speaker 1: definitely not so much now. It wasn't until February third
- 16:38Speaker 1: that something about this actually started to feel wrong. Jane's
- 16:42Speaker 1: landlord became concerned when her rent, which was normally paid
- 16:46Speaker 1: on time, was now several days overdue. After knocking on
- 16:51Speaker 1: the door and getting no response, they decided to let
- 16:55Speaker 1: themselves in, and what they found inside shocked them. Jane's
- 17:01Speaker 1: body was lying on the floor, positioned on her back
- 17:04Speaker 1: in a pool of her own dried blood. Her legs
- 17:07Speaker 1: were spread wide, and most of her clothes had been
- 17:10Speaker 1: violently removed. A pillow and several sweaters had been placed
- 17:14Speaker 1: over her head, too, partially covering her face. Nearby, her
- 17:18Speaker 1: purse had been emptied onto the floor, with no signs
- 17:21Speaker 1: of the money she had just recently collected from her paycheck.
- 17:24Speaker 1: It was all gone. The phone was also found hanging
- 17:28Speaker 1: off the receiver so no calls could come in, and
- 17:30Speaker 1: whether that was on purpose or accident, it's hard to say,
- 17:33Speaker 1: because there was also clear signs that a struggle had
- 17:36Speaker 1: happened quickly and violently, but ultimately it seemed that she
- 17:40Speaker 1: had been overpowered and lost her life.
- 17:43Speaker 2: Brutal and she's only found because rent is due. Someone
- 17:49Speaker 2: needs something from her. Yes, I hate that.
- 17:53Speaker 1: Not to say that she didn't have friends or family
- 17:55Speaker 1: who would eventually check on her, but that's how it
- 17:58Speaker 1: came first, but.
- 18:00Speaker 2: I mean too there was. It was less easy to
- 18:04Speaker 2: communicate with people back.
- 18:05Speaker 1: Then too, so definitely was now Soon nine one one
- 18:09Speaker 1: was called to the scene and when investigators came and
- 18:12Speaker 1: they examined the body, they determined that Jane had died
- 18:15Speaker 1: from severe blunt forced trauma to the head. Yeah, that
- 18:18Speaker 1: pool of blood she was lying in was definitely her own,
- 18:22Speaker 1: and she was bleeding significantly when she died. The injuries
- 18:26Speaker 1: were consistent with repeated forceful blows enough to incapacitate her
- 18:31Speaker 1: almost immediately, and based on the condition of her body
- 18:35Speaker 1: and at the scene, it was believed that she had
- 18:37Speaker 1: been dead for several days before she was discovered, likely
- 18:40Speaker 1: since January twenty ninth, which was the last day that
- 18:43Speaker 1: she had been seen alive. There were also indications that
- 18:47Speaker 1: the attacker had attempted to rape Jane, though no evidence
- 18:51Speaker 1: of that was confirmed. The removal of the clothing and
- 18:54Speaker 1: position of the body suggested the intent, but all investigators
- 18:58Speaker 1: knew was the primary cause of death remained the head injuries. Now,
- 19:03Speaker 1: At first glance, her emptied purse suggested that this was
- 19:06Speaker 1: a robbery. However, the amount of money missing wasn't a lot,
- 19:10Speaker 1: and the level of violence found of the scene didn't
- 19:12Speaker 1: match a simple theft scenario, so investigators began to suspect
- 19:17Speaker 1: that whatever had happened inside that apartment, it wasn't primarily
- 19:22Speaker 1: about money. Now, during the search of the scene, there
- 19:25Speaker 1: was one piece of information that stood out to investigators,
- 19:29Speaker 1: one single piece of evidence that kind of had that
- 19:32Speaker 1: asterisk beside it that made them look twice. See. There
- 19:36Speaker 1: was an ash tray containing several cigarette butts, some of
- 19:40Speaker 1: them contained lipstick on the end and some without. Now
- 19:45Speaker 1: this meant or likely meant that Jane hadn't been alone
- 19:50Speaker 1: at some point before she died, because theoretically those cigarettes
- 19:55Speaker 1: without lipstick were not hers. Whether that meant that she
- 19:59Speaker 1: lets went into her apartment willingly, or had been approached earlier, whatever,
- 20:03Speaker 1: it's all unclear on how it played out, But at
- 20:06Speaker 1: the time, investigators collected those cigarette butts as evidence for
- 20:09Speaker 1: future reference. The only thing though, now is without modern
- 20:14Speaker 1: forensic tools, there was no DNA analysis they could do.
- 20:18Speaker 1: They have these cigarette butts, but there's little they can
- 20:21Speaker 1: do beyond just basic analysis, right right, because.
- 20:24Speaker 2: Yeah, nowadays it would be like ohoh wow.
- 20:27Speaker 1: Exactly, which is also my assumption on why they are
- 20:31Speaker 1: not certain on her being raped. Same thing deep right now.
- 20:37Speaker 1: Beyond that, there was almost nothing else going on at
- 20:41Speaker 1: the scene, and soon the case just stalled out and
- 20:45Speaker 1: the trail went cold. More than a year passed by
- 20:49Speaker 1: and the case just remained unsolved. Then in early September
- 20:54Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy, another woman was found. This time the
- 20:59Speaker 1: discovery wasn't in the city. It was in the small
- 21:02Speaker 1: village of Merlin, about twenty minutes outside of Chatham, which
- 21:06Speaker 1: is a quieter place, even more removed from the kind
- 21:09Speaker 1: of violence people associate with larger towns. Her name was
- 21:13Speaker 1: Edith Arthier and she was fifty seven years old. She
- 21:17Speaker 1: lived alone in her home and worked as a chambermaid
- 21:20Speaker 1: at the William Pitt Hotel in Chatham. She carpooled to work,
- 21:24Speaker 1: and people in her small community knew when something was
- 21:26Speaker 1: out of place, and on the morning of September fifth,
- 21:29Speaker 1: nineteen seventy something was. A neighbor and fellow carpool member,
- 21:35Speaker 1: Mary Gray, arrived to pick Edith up for work. However,
- 21:40Speaker 1: Edith wasn't outside waiting like she usually was, so after
- 21:44Speaker 1: knocking on the door to try and get her to
- 21:46Speaker 1: come out for work and head on their way and
- 21:49Speaker 1: getting no response. Worry began to set in and eventually
- 21:53Speaker 1: the police were called. When they entered her home for
- 21:57Speaker 1: a welfare check, that's when they found Edith inside. She
- 22:02Speaker 1: was found dead, laying on her back on the floor,
- 22:05Speaker 1: still dressed in her nightgowns, surrounded by blood. It was
- 22:09Speaker 1: obvious right from the start that there were multiple weapons
- 22:12Speaker 1: involved in this murder, and all of them were taken
- 22:16Speaker 1: from inside the home. Kitchen knives were found nearby, and
- 22:20Speaker 1: an iron had been used as a blunt object. Edith
- 22:26Speaker 1: had suffered repeated blows to the head along with multiple
- 22:29Speaker 1: stab wounds. Blood had splattered all around, painting the surrounding
- 22:33Speaker 1: surfaces Crimson red, including up the walls, which indicated the
- 22:37Speaker 1: level of force alone an animosity that had been used
- 22:40Speaker 1: during this attack. It was violent, personal, and.
- 22:44Speaker 2: Overwhelming, that is super savage.
- 22:48Speaker 1: Investigators also determined that Edith had been sexually assaulted and raped,
- 22:52Speaker 1: and just like Jane's case, money had been taken, but
- 22:55Speaker 1: again it didn't seem to be the primary motive. The
- 22:59Speaker 1: sheer level of violence far exceeded what you'd be expecting
- 23:02Speaker 1: from someone just looking to steal some cash, and like
- 23:06Speaker 1: Jane's case as well. There was also no clear sign
- 23:08Speaker 1: of a forced entry either or anything like that. Whoever
- 23:11Speaker 1: had come into Edith's home either convinced her to let
- 23:15Speaker 1: them in, or was someone she didn't immediately see as
- 23:18Speaker 1: a threat or something. Now police began working the case
- 23:22Speaker 1: and following leads, speaking to neighbors, trying to piece together
- 23:26Speaker 1: who might have been in the area at the time.
- 23:29Speaker 1: But just like before, there was nothing solid that emerged.
- 23:33Speaker 1: No witnesses could place a suspect nearby at the home
- 23:36Speaker 1: or in the home, and there was no physical evidence
- 23:38Speaker 1: that pointed clearly into one direction. The investigation simply stalled out.
- 23:43Speaker 1: Another brutal murder, another woman living alone, another case that
- 23:47Speaker 1: couldn't be solved with the tools available in that era.
- 23:51Speaker 1: But there was something else, something no one realized yet.
- 23:56Speaker 1: Edith Arthier had a connection to someone investigators would come
- 24:00Speaker 1: to know later see through family ties. She was linked
- 24:04Speaker 1: to Mary Archer, the wife of Gerald Thomas Archer. But
- 24:10Speaker 1: at the time that connection meant nothing. It wasn't flagged,
- 24:13Speaker 1: it wasn't explored, it wasn't even recognized as important, and so,
- 24:18Speaker 1: just like the case before it, Edith Arthier's murder went cold.
- 24:22Speaker 1: By late January of nineteen seventy one, there was nothing
- 24:25Speaker 1: publicly linking the murders of Jane Woolley and Edith Arthier.
- 24:29Speaker 1: Both cases remained unsolved, handled separately and without a suspect,
- 24:34Speaker 1: and in Chatham life continued much of the same way
- 24:37Speaker 1: as it always had, especially in the downtown corps, where
- 24:40Speaker 1: hotels and bars served as social hubs for people finishing
- 24:43Speaker 1: work or looking to pass the time laid into the night.
- 24:47Speaker 1: On the evening of January twenty second, nineteen seventy one,
- 24:50Speaker 1: fifty seven year old Belva Russell, often called Bella by
- 24:54Speaker 1: those who knew her, went out with her common law husband,
- 24:58Speaker 1: Reginald Thomason. And now Reginald worked as a cab driver,
- 25:03Speaker 1: and that day had been payday, which gave them a
- 25:06Speaker 1: reason to go out for drinks after running errands and
- 25:08Speaker 1: grocery shopping. You know, cash in hand, Let's go have
- 25:11Speaker 1: a good night out together, right, maybe a date night
- 25:13Speaker 1: something like that. They started their evening at the Rankin
- 25:16Speaker 1: hotel bar at around six thirty pm, spending several hours together,
- 25:21Speaker 1: and at some point later in the night Reginald left
- 25:24Speaker 1: briefly to go home and change out of his work clothes,
- 25:27Speaker 1: while Belva stayed behind. When he returned, they continued drinking
- 25:31Speaker 1: together at around eleven thirty pm, and it was some
- 25:34Speaker 1: time after that when the tube became separated. Reginald realized
- 25:38Speaker 1: that Belva was no longer in the bar he was in,
- 25:41Speaker 1: and after checking a few nearby locations and having another
- 25:44Speaker 1: drink himself, he eventually assumed that she must have just
- 25:48Speaker 1: gone home now. Belva, however, didn't go home. She had
- 25:52Speaker 1: instead made her way to another nearby location, the bar
- 25:56Speaker 1: inside the Meryll Hotel. It was close to her apartment
- 26:00Speaker 1: on Adelaine's Street South, only a short walk away. She
- 26:04Speaker 1: arrived there around midnight and sat in the women's section
- 26:08Speaker 1: of the bar, which was still common type of setup
- 26:11Speaker 1: for that era. She was soon joined by a friend,
- 26:15Speaker 1: Hugh Smith, and he also lived nearby. However, what they
- 26:19Speaker 1: didn't know was that also inside the MARYL Hotel that
- 26:22Speaker 1: night was Gerald Thomas Archer. Now at the time, Gerald
- 26:27Speaker 1: was thirty nine years old. He was known in the
- 26:29Speaker 1: area as irregular in bars like this, particularly the cheaper,
- 26:33Speaker 1: more run down establishments, where he spent much of his
- 26:35Speaker 1: drinking time. Now, that night, he was seated at the
- 26:38Speaker 1: men's section of the bar across the room from Belva.
- 26:42Speaker 1: Witnesses later described him watching her. He would sit there,
- 26:46Speaker 1: sipping away in his drink casually, but his eyes continued
- 26:49Speaker 1: to glance up into her direction. Now, at some point
- 26:53Speaker 1: during the night, Belva got up from her table to
- 26:55Speaker 1: use the restroom, and Gerald also got up and walked
- 26:58Speaker 1: in the same direction, disappearing briefly down the hallway that
- 27:02Speaker 1: led towards the back of the bar. And what if
- 27:04Speaker 1: anything was said between them during the moment back there
- 27:07Speaker 1: has never clearly been established, but both returned to the
- 27:10Speaker 1: bar shortly afterwards. Now, this is actually where Gerald requested
- 27:15Speaker 1: permission to sit in the women's section, which was allowed
- 27:18Speaker 1: under the condition that there was a reason to be there,
- 27:21Speaker 1: which is why Hugh was having, you know, the conversation.
- 27:24Speaker 2: Oh, okay, So that's how it works. You can sit
- 27:26Speaker 2: in that section and be kind of left alone if
- 27:29Speaker 2: you want, exactly, or if permission then someone can join
- 27:33Speaker 2: you exactly. Okay.
- 27:35Speaker 1: Now, Gerald was given permission for whatever reason I don't know,
- 27:40Speaker 1: but he was granted access to the women's section, and
- 27:43Speaker 1: he took a seat near the cigarette machine, which was
- 27:45Speaker 1: positioned a short distance from Belva and Hugh. So he
- 27:48Speaker 1: wasn't going over to talk to them specifically or anything,
- 27:51Speaker 1: but he was granted permission to go into the section alone,
- 27:55Speaker 1: you know, Okay.
- 27:56Speaker 2: And it wasn't permission from Bella Belllva. No, she went
- 28:01Speaker 2: by Bella, didn't she didn't you say.
- 28:02Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I've been calling her bell.
- 28:04Speaker 2: Yeah, result But so it wasn't The permission wasn't granted
- 28:07Speaker 2: from her. It was from someone else.
- 28:09Speaker 1: Yeah, from the establishment.
- 28:10Speaker 2: Okay.
- 28:10Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like you go up to the bartender. Hey,
- 28:12Speaker 1: is it cool if I go sit over there? Yeah,
- 28:14Speaker 1: you're all good, go ahead, I see. That's basically how
- 28:16Speaker 1: it played out. Now. Later in the night, a waiter
- 28:19Speaker 1: named William Bezo finished his shift and sat down with Gerald.
- 28:24Speaker 1: The two began talking casually, initially about London and where
- 28:28Speaker 1: both had spent time, and the conversation eventually turned to Belva.
- 28:32Speaker 1: Now reportedly, Gerald made a well. He made several statements
- 28:36Speaker 1: in fact during that conversation that would become critical to
- 28:39Speaker 1: understanding what had happened. Next. He claimed that he knew
- 28:42Speaker 1: Belv's daughter and had spent time with her in the past.
- 28:46Speaker 1: He also said that he'd been inside Belvi's apartment earlier
- 28:49Speaker 1: that day, and described an incident in which the two
- 28:52Speaker 1: had a physical altercation. Now, at one point he even
- 28:56Speaker 1: stated that he had tried to quote force her to
- 29:00Speaker 1: do something end quote, and added to it that if
- 29:04Speaker 1: she didn't quote smarten up end quote, he would be
- 29:07Speaker 1: killing her.
- 29:09Speaker 2: And he's selling this to just some other.
- 29:11Speaker 1: Person, Yeah, someone who worked there and is just off shift,
- 29:14Speaker 1: chilling and talking with a random and a bar.
- 29:16Speaker 2: What the heck.
- 29:18Speaker 1: Now, at the time, those statements weren't taken seriously. I
- 29:22Speaker 1: want to make that clear. It was just some like
- 29:25Speaker 1: badly timed dark humor maybe. I mean, we are talking
- 29:29Speaker 1: about a dingy bar in the nineteen seventies, late at
- 29:32Speaker 1: night by a man who'd been drinking. Not to give
- 29:35Speaker 1: it an excuse, but it makes a bit more sense
- 29:38Speaker 1: when you look at it in that case.
- 29:39Speaker 2: It does.
- 29:40Speaker 1: Yeah, And so nothing was reported to police, and the
- 29:43Speaker 1: conversation ended without any further attention. Now, not long after that,
- 29:47Speaker 1: the nights began to wind down. Hugh Smith eventually left
- 29:51Speaker 1: the bar with Belva, and he walked her home right
- 29:54Speaker 1: up to her doorstep at forty three and a half
- 29:57Speaker 1: Adelaine Street South, and then he watched her going side,
- 30:01Speaker 1: closed the door behind her, saw a light come on,
- 30:05Speaker 1: and that was that. That was some time between approximately
- 30:08Speaker 1: one point fifteen and one thirty am. From that point on,
- 30:12Speaker 1: Belva was alone in her apartment, at least that's how
- 30:16Speaker 1: it appeared, but within the next half hour something changed.
- 30:21Speaker 1: At approximately one forty five am, a downstairs neighbor, Myrtle Barks,
- 30:27Speaker 1: was in her apartment when she began to hear voices
- 30:29Speaker 1: coming from above her. The voices were loud, and she
- 30:32Speaker 1: later stated that she recognized Belva's voice very clearly. The
- 30:36Speaker 1: other voice, a man's, was unfamiliar to her, and she
- 30:40Speaker 1: was certain it did not belong to her husband, Reginald. Now.
- 30:45Speaker 1: The exchange wasn't calm either. It sounded almost certainly like
- 30:50Speaker 1: an argument, and at one point Myrtle heard Belva shout
- 30:53Speaker 1: words to tell the man to leave, ordering him to
- 30:56Speaker 1: go down the stairs and get out of her home.
- 30:59Speaker 1: Shortly after that, there was a loud, crashing noise from above,
- 31:02Speaker 1: followed by a continued movement of sword sounds like stumbling
- 31:07Speaker 1: and shifting in a low, distant noise that went on
- 31:10Speaker 1: for some time afterwards. The disturbance lasted long enough in
- 31:15Speaker 1: fact that Myrtle, along with another person in the building,
- 31:18Speaker 1: Rick Blair. They eventually went outside to see if they
- 31:21Speaker 1: could determine what was even going on and happening, But
- 31:24Speaker 1: by the time they stepped out, the noise stopped. From there,
- 31:30Speaker 1: there was nothing visible, there was no further sounds, and
- 31:33Speaker 1: so both of them returned to their apartments. Then, roughly
- 31:38Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, at around two am, Reginald arrived back
- 31:42Speaker 1: at the building. He had called a cab from a
- 31:45Speaker 1: nearby restaurant and was dropped off shortly before two fifteen am. Now,
- 31:51Speaker 1: as he approached and began to go upstairs towards the apartment,
- 31:55Speaker 1: a man suddenly came running down the stairs in the
- 31:57Speaker 1: opposite direction. The two collide I had briefly in the
- 32:00Speaker 1: stairway as they tried to kind of stumble past one another.
- 32:03Speaker 1: It was a sudden and disorienting situation, and Reginald called
- 32:07Speaker 1: out to the man as he rushed past, what's going
- 32:09Speaker 1: on right, Like, he's clearly in a hurry.
- 32:12Speaker 2: When you're kind of not expecting to see anyone exactly.
- 32:16Speaker 1: But the man didn't stop, didn't say anything, He just
- 32:19Speaker 1: kept going and fast. He continued past him. And exited
- 32:22Speaker 1: the building. And in that moment, Reginald felt something deep
- 32:26Speaker 1: in his gut, and it told him something was wrong.
- 32:30Speaker 1: He turned around, rushed up the stairs and went into
- 32:34Speaker 1: their apartment, and inside he found Belva lying on the floor.
- 32:38Speaker 1: She was lying on her back in the dining room area,
- 32:41Speaker 1: her arms extended outwards, her lower body exposed, with her
- 32:45Speaker 1: clothing partially removed and displaced nearby, and there was a
- 32:50Speaker 1: significant amount of blood present both beneath her and around
- 32:55Speaker 1: the immediate area. It was obvious there had been a
- 32:59Speaker 1: violent strule.
- 33:00Speaker 2: Oh brutal. It's brutal that they got separated. Hey, yeah,
- 33:05Speaker 2: because if that wasn't the case, this probably wouldn't have happened.
- 33:08Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's hard to say, but it definitely
- 33:12Speaker 1: reduces the risk of this occurring for sure.
- 33:14Speaker 2: And then I'm assuming apartments too. Back then, they anyone
- 33:18Speaker 2: can probably just walk in. I don't think they would
- 33:21Speaker 2: have security.
- 33:22Speaker 1: Yeah, well, maybe they might have a key to open
- 33:25Speaker 1: or something.
- 33:25Speaker 2: It's hard to say, possibly, but I'm kind of thinking
- 33:29Speaker 2: they wouldn't.
- 33:30Speaker 1: They might not have. Yeah. Now, Reginald called out Belve's
- 33:34Speaker 1: name as he saw her lying on the floor, and
- 33:36Speaker 1: he tried to wake her up, but there was no response,
- 33:39Speaker 1: and so soon he ran downstairs to try and get help,
- 33:42Speaker 1: and he knocked on Myrtle Bark's door, having already heard
- 33:45Speaker 1: the earlier disturbance. She responded quite quickly and the two
- 33:48Speaker 1: returned upstairs together and then, realizing the severity of the situation,
- 33:53Speaker 1: they soon called nine to one one. Police arrived at
- 33:57Speaker 1: approximately two twenty am, and it didn't take long for
- 34:01Speaker 1: Belva to be pronounced dead.
- 34:03Speaker 2: Yeah, from just hearing about the other women like you,
- 34:07Speaker 2: I don't think you would survive that sort of attack.
- 34:11Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, she had sustained extensive injuries, particularly to the heads,
- 34:16Speaker 1: and the level of trauma was consistent with repeated forceful blows.
- 34:21Speaker 1: An autopsy was conducted later that very same day, approximately
- 34:27Speaker 1: eleven hours after her body was discovered, and the coroner
- 34:30Speaker 1: determined that Belva had died as a result of shock
- 34:34Speaker 1: caused by severe head injuries that she had sustained. Investigators
- 34:39Speaker 1: also concluded that the assailant had sexually assaulted and at
- 34:43Speaker 1: least attempted to rape Belva, based on the condition of
- 34:45Speaker 1: the body and the positioning of her clothes, but again
- 34:49Speaker 1: those details were merely assumed. Now blood samples were collected
- 34:55Speaker 1: from the scene and categorized by type, which served as
- 34:58Speaker 1: one of the few biologue tools available to investigators at
- 35:02Speaker 1: the time. While this could not identify a specific individual,
- 35:06Speaker 1: it could be used to include or exclude potential suspects
- 35:10Speaker 1: if a comparison was available. And once again, the apartment
- 35:15Speaker 1: itself showed signs of a struggle, but not a forced entry.
- 35:19Speaker 1: There were similarities, however, the murder of Belv was different
- 35:23Speaker 1: from the beginning, not because of the violence, but because
- 35:25Speaker 1: of what followed immediately after. See for the first time,
- 35:30Speaker 1: investigators were not starting from nothing. They had a timeline
- 35:34Speaker 1: that narrowed the window of the crime to a matter
- 35:37Speaker 1: of minutes. They had neighbors who had heard the disturbance
- 35:40Speaker 1: and who could place a man inside the apartment shortly
- 35:44Speaker 1: before the attack. And most importantly, they had Reginald, someone
- 35:48Speaker 1: who had physically encountered a man fleeing the scene. This
- 35:54Speaker 1: changed everything, and officers began working outwards from the scene,
- 35:58Speaker 1: speaking with neighbors in any one one who had been
- 36:00Speaker 1: in the area during the early morning hours. Myrtle Barks
- 36:04Speaker 1: provided a very clear account of the argument she had overheard,
- 36:07Speaker 1: including Belva's demand for the man to leave the apartment.
- 36:11Speaker 1: With that information, investigators began focusing on individuals who may
- 36:16Speaker 1: have had contact with Belva earlier that night, and the
- 36:20Speaker 1: attention it quickly turned to the Merrill Hotel. Belva had
- 36:24Speaker 1: been there shortly before returning home, and it was one
- 36:27Speaker 1: of the last confirmed locations where she had been seen alive.
- 36:31Speaker 1: Police officers spoke with staff and patrons alike, gathering accounts
- 36:35Speaker 1: and with people who had been there, you know, trying
- 36:38Speaker 1: to see if they saw anything. It was during this
- 36:42Speaker 1: process that a key detail emerged. A waiter named William
- 36:47Speaker 1: Bezo came forward and described a conversation he had a
- 36:50Speaker 1: man with in the bar earlier that night. It was
- 36:54Speaker 1: a man he claimed was named Gerald Thomas Archer. William
- 36:59Speaker 1: said that Gerald hadim to no Belva and that he
- 37:02Speaker 1: had stated that that he had been in her apartment
- 37:04Speaker 1: earlier that day even and he described an altercation between
- 37:07Speaker 1: the two of them. He also recalled Gerald making a
- 37:10Speaker 1: threatening remark about her, something that in hindsight took far
- 37:15Speaker 1: more significance than it had when it was initially stated.
- 37:19Speaker 1: Oh yeah, would From there, the case moved quickly. On
- 37:25Speaker 1: February ninth, nineteen seventy one, police released a composite sketch
- 37:30Speaker 1: based on the descriptions provided by witnesses, and the response
- 37:35Speaker 1: was pretty much immediate. Calls began coming in and several
- 37:39Speaker 1: pointed towards the same name, Gerald Thomas Archer, and three
- 37:44Speaker 1: days later, on February twelfth, investigators obtained and executed a
- 37:48Speaker 1: search warrant for the home Gerald shared with his wife
- 37:51Speaker 1: on Adelaide's Street South, and during that search, officers recovered
- 37:57Speaker 1: a red shirt that had visible bloodstains on it. Now
- 38:02Speaker 1: the garment was seized and submitted for analysis, with its
- 38:05Speaker 1: blood type later found to match that of Belva Russell. Now.
- 38:11Speaker 1: At that point police decided they would also arrange a lineup,
- 38:16Speaker 1: and Belvo's widower, Reginald, was brought into view it and
- 38:21Speaker 1: as soon as he was presented with the options in
- 38:23Speaker 1: front of him, without hesitation, he identified Gerald as the
- 38:27Speaker 1: man he had encountered in the stairs that night, the
- 38:29Speaker 1: same man who had collided with him while fleeing the
- 38:32Speaker 1: building just moments after Belva was murdered. So with physical evidence,
- 38:39Speaker 1: witness statements, and a direct identification, investigators had what they needed.
- 38:45Speaker 1: On February eighteenth, nineteen seventy one, Gerald Thomas Archer was
- 38:49Speaker 1: officially arrested and he was charged with the non capital
- 38:52Speaker 1: murder of Belva Russell's.
- 38:55Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because it kind of was seeming like this
- 38:57Speaker 2: guy was just getting started.
- 39:00Speaker 1: Yeah, probably would have been the case in all of
- 39:03Speaker 1: His trial began in June of nineteen seventy one in
- 39:06Speaker 1: Kent County and was presided over by Mister Justice W. F. Donahue.
- 39:11Speaker 1: Prosecutors came out strong and introduced a timeline that investigators
- 39:15Speaker 1: had established, with the murder occurring at approximately two am.
- 39:19Speaker 1: That estimate aligned closely with multiple accounts. Myrtle had heard
- 39:23Speaker 1: the argument and the subsequent crash at around one forty
- 39:26Speaker 1: five am, followed by the continued movement and noise for
- 39:29Speaker 1: a period of time. Shortly after that, Reginald returned to
- 39:33Speaker 1: the building and then encountered the man running down the stairs,
- 39:36Speaker 1: placing that individual at the scene at almost the exact
- 39:40Speaker 1: moment the attack would have concluded. The Crown's case centered
- 39:44Speaker 1: on the argument that Gerald was the man, and Reginald's
- 39:48Speaker 1: testimony became one of the most critical pieces of evidence
- 39:51Speaker 1: presented to the court. He described in detail the moment
- 39:56Speaker 1: he collided with the man on the staircase and later
- 39:59Speaker 1: identified Gerald in the police lineup without hesitation. In addition
- 40:04Speaker 1: to eyewitness accounts, the Crown introduced physical evidence recovered during
- 40:08Speaker 1: the investigation too, the red shirt, for example, found in
- 40:11Speaker 1: Gerald's home containing bloodstains that matched Belva's blood type. There
- 40:16Speaker 1: was also fingerprints recovered from within the apartment, including impressions
- 40:21Speaker 1: found on a door frame and unbroken glass at the scene,
- 40:24Speaker 1: and while not every piece of physical evidence could be
- 40:27Speaker 1: definitively attributed to Gerald, the culminative effect reinforced the Crown's
- 40:32Speaker 1: position that he had been present during the attack. The defense,
- 40:38Speaker 1: in response, attempted to create reasonable doubt by offering alternative
- 40:43Speaker 1: explanations for the evidence. Gerald maintained that he had known
- 40:47Speaker 1: Belva and that he had been inside her apartment earlier
- 40:50Speaker 1: that week. According to his account, he had brought her
- 40:53Speaker 1: alcohol while she was recovering from the flu. He had
- 40:56Speaker 1: shared a drink with her, and then left without incident.
- 41:00Speaker 1: This explanation was used to account for any potential trace
- 41:03Speaker 1: evidence that might connect him to the apartment or the scene, saying,
- 41:07Speaker 1: there's reason why it's there.
- 41:09Speaker 2: That's exactly what you need. After recovering from the flu.
- 41:12Speaker 1: Hey, well maybe in the seventies. You know, little whiskey
- 41:16Speaker 1: and honey goes.
- 41:17Speaker 2: A long way, you know, my goodness.
- 41:19Speaker 1: Now, regarding the bloodstains on the shirt and closed, Gerald
- 41:22Speaker 1: claimed that he frequently suffered from nosebleeds, suggesting that the
- 41:25Speaker 1: blood found on the shirt was likely his own rather
- 41:28Speaker 1: than the victim's blood. Now, his wife, Mary, supported parts
- 41:32Speaker 1: of his testimony and provided an alibi two, stating under
- 41:36Speaker 1: oath that he had returned home at approximately one thirty
- 41:40Speaker 1: am on the night of the murder. She testified that
- 41:44Speaker 1: she had checked the time when he arrived, placing him
- 41:47Speaker 1: at home before the estimated time of the attack, which
- 41:50Speaker 1: was about two and the Crown challenged this timeline directly
- 41:54Speaker 1: saying if the murder had occurred at two am, as
- 41:57Speaker 1: they believe as the evidence suggested, then Gerald's claimed arrival
- 42:02Speaker 1: left a time gap that allowed for him to have
- 42:05Speaker 1: left the residence again, to then go commit the crime
- 42:08Speaker 1: and return home without being noticed. Now, after hearing the
- 42:12Speaker 1: testimony and reviewing the evidence, the jury was sent to deliberate,
- 42:17Speaker 1: and on June seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, they returned with
- 42:21Speaker 1: their verdict. Gerald Thomas Archer was found guilty, and the
- 42:27Speaker 1: following day, on June eighteenth, he was sentenced to life imprisonment,
- 42:31Speaker 1: and at the time, the sentence was mandatory for that charge.
- 42:35Speaker 1: As he was being led out of the courtroom, Gerald
- 42:37Speaker 1: reacted to the verdict shouting, that's only the first strike
- 42:41Speaker 1: against me. The ballgame isn't over yet.
- 42:44Speaker 2: What Yeah, seriously, yeah, what a complete jackass.
- 42:50Speaker 1: I know. And honestly, like that sounds like anger or
- 42:54Speaker 1: like denial or frustrate whatever emotions coming out right after
- 42:58Speaker 1: this trials concluded. However, in the years that followed, like
- 43:02Speaker 1: that statement, it's got a lot more of a different
- 43:06Speaker 1: meaning behind it when you really analyze it, a lot
- 43:08Speaker 1: more weight behind it, if you will.
- 43:11Speaker 2: Well, just like so disrespectful too, that's shocking.
- 43:14Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. Now. After his conviction in June of nineteen
- 43:18Speaker 1: seventy one, Gerald entered the prison system to serve a
- 43:21Speaker 1: life sentence. However, parole eligibility exists, and in many cases,
- 43:27Speaker 1: inmates can be released after serving a portion of their sentence,
- 43:30Speaker 1: depending on behavior and other factors considered by parole boards,
- 43:34Speaker 1: and in this case, for Gerald's well, he remained in
- 43:37Speaker 1: custody for only approximately fourteen years. In nineteen eighty five,
- 43:42Speaker 1: he was granted parole and released back into the public.
- 43:45Speaker 1: By that point, he was in his early fifties. The
- 43:48Speaker 1: case that ed sent to Well sent him to prison
- 43:52Speaker 1: had long since faded from the public attention, and the
- 43:55Speaker 1: earlier unsolved mystery of Jane Woolley and Edith Arthier were
- 43:59Speaker 1: still not formally connected to him. As far as official
- 44:03Speaker 1: records were concerned. He was a man who had served
- 44:06Speaker 1: time for a single homicide and had now been deemed
- 44:09Speaker 1: suitable for release. After leaving prison, Gerald resumed the same
- 44:13Speaker 1: pattern of life that had defined his early years for
- 44:17Speaker 1: well so long he moved between locations, he stayed in
- 44:20Speaker 1: inexpensive accommodations and spent time in bar similar to the
- 44:24Speaker 1: ones that he'd frequented before his arrest, And as far
- 44:27Speaker 1: as anyone could tell, his marriage to Mary didn't continue.
- 44:31Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of documentation that points to
- 44:33Speaker 1: anything like that, so it's not really sure if they'd
- 44:35Speaker 1: got officially divorced, but they certainly weren't really together.
- 44:40Speaker 2: And she was a little bit quite a bit older
- 44:42Speaker 2: than him too, right she was.
- 44:43Speaker 1: Yeah. So for the next decade, Gerald lived largely out
- 44:47Speaker 1: of site. There were no new charges that were brought
- 44:51Speaker 1: against him, and no public developments linking him to any
- 44:53Speaker 1: other crimes. Then, in nineteen ninety five, Gerald Thomas Archer
- 44:59Speaker 1: died of a heart attack at the age of sixty four.
- 45:02Speaker 1: At the time of his death, there was no significant
- 45:05Speaker 1: public attention surrounding him. His passing didn't trigger any renewed
- 45:08Speaker 1: investigation or any sort of re examination of past cases.
- 45:13Speaker 1: He died as a man who had been once convicted
- 45:17Speaker 1: and nothing more. Ultimately, his body was unclaimed, without family
- 45:23Speaker 1: stepping forward to arrange for a burial. He was then
- 45:25Speaker 1: buried in a potter's field, which is an unmarked or
- 45:29Speaker 1: minimally marked grave typically used for those without identified next
- 45:32Speaker 1: of kin or the means for private burials. For a time,
- 45:37Speaker 1: it seemed as though the story had ended there. The
- 45:40Speaker 1: earlier cases involving Jane and Edith remained unresolved, sitting in
- 45:45Speaker 1: separate files in some filing cabinets somewhere, with no suspects
- 45:49Speaker 1: formally identified and no active direction for investigators to pursue.
- 45:54Speaker 1: At that point, the prevailing assumption was that whatever answers
- 45:58Speaker 1: might have existed had been lost to time, But that
- 46:03Speaker 1: changed in the late nineteen nineties with the formation of
- 46:07Speaker 1: a cold case task force known as Project Angel. The
- 46:13Speaker 1: purpose of the task force was to revisit unsolved homicides
- 46:16Speaker 1: across southwestern Ontario, particularly those that had stalled due to
- 46:21Speaker 1: the limitation of investigative practices and forensic technologies at the
- 46:25Speaker 1: time they were originally examined, and now with newer and
- 46:29Speaker 1: more modern technology. Rather than treating each case in isolation,
- 46:33Speaker 1: investigators began reviewing them collectively, looking for similarities in victim profiles,
- 46:38Speaker 1: methods of attack, and geographic movements that might not have
- 46:42Speaker 1: been apparent when the cases were first handled. It was
- 46:46Speaker 1: during this broad a review that new information emerged regarding Gerald.
- 46:53Speaker 1: Investigators had become aware that Gerald had, at some point
- 46:57Speaker 1: prior to his death, made statements to members of his
- 47:01Speaker 1: own family indicating that he was responsible for the murder
- 47:04Speaker 1: of Edith Authior. This was information that had not been
- 47:08Speaker 1: shared with police at the time of the original investigation,
- 47:12Speaker 1: nor had it surfaced during Gerald's trial in nineteen seventy one. Instead,
- 47:17Speaker 1: it remained within the family for years, just unreported and unexamined.
- 47:22Speaker 1: But when this information finally did come to the attention
- 47:24Speaker 1: of authorities, investigators aimed to verify it. Gerald's estrange wife, Mary,
- 47:30Speaker 1: along with her daughter, were interviewed and questioned about the statements.
- 47:34Speaker 1: Both of them confirmed that Gerald had admitted to killing
- 47:37Speaker 1: Edith Authier. What the shit. While the previous circumstances of
- 47:42Speaker 1: the confession are not exactly clear, like when it was made,
- 47:46Speaker 1: how it was phrased, or what even prompted it like,
- 47:50Speaker 1: those details aren't clear, but the consistency is the key here,
- 47:53Speaker 1: because consistently between their accounts there was enough to establish
- 47:57Speaker 1: that the admission had in fact occurred. It's not a
- 48:01Speaker 1: false statement. They're both telling the same story.
- 48:04Speaker 2: How can you just carry on with that kind of knowledge,
- 48:07Speaker 2: especially after he has been tried and committed to one
- 48:14Speaker 2: of these crimes?
- 48:15Speaker 1: I know, But here's one thing. Because there's not a
- 48:18Speaker 1: whole lot of information out there about this case, because
- 48:20Speaker 1: it's not widespread public knowledge and everything. There's details that
- 48:24Speaker 1: are really hard to find. And I'm not certain on
- 48:27Speaker 1: when he said that to his family. Had they been
- 48:31Speaker 1: hanging on to it, like maybe six months before he passed,
- 48:35Speaker 1: Was it very fresh? Did they know about it during
- 48:37Speaker 1: the trials? I am uncertain how long were they holding
- 48:42Speaker 1: onto this information? I do not know, and I could not.
- 48:45Speaker 2: Source if they were holding on to that before or
- 48:49Speaker 2: during the trials. That's really messed up.
- 48:51Speaker 1: I agree. I do also have a feeling that she
- 48:56Speaker 1: may have known more than she did. I mean, she
- 48:58Speaker 1: was giving a false alibi in prison, for example, But
- 49:03Speaker 1: I digress. Either way, the discovery of this admission was huge,
- 49:08Speaker 1: but on its own it wasn't enough to formally close
- 49:11Speaker 1: a case. But with Gerald now identified as a potential
- 49:14Speaker 1: suspect in Edith's murder, investigators began re examining the details
- 49:18Speaker 1: of that case along with others in the same period,
- 49:22Speaker 1: and as they did, similarities between Edith's case and the
- 49:26Speaker 1: earlier murder of Jane Wooley became increasingly apparent. Both victims
- 49:31Speaker 1: were women of similar age, both worked as chambermaids, and
- 49:35Speaker 1: both had been attacked inside their own homes in a
- 49:38Speaker 1: manner that involved severe blunt force trauma and indications of rape.
- 49:44Speaker 1: In each case. There was also no clear evidence of
- 49:46Speaker 1: fourth century suggesting that the attacker had either been known
- 49:50Speaker 1: to the victim or gained access without immediate resistance, and
- 49:54Speaker 1: so for the first time, investigators were not looking at
- 49:57Speaker 1: the cases as separate tragedies. On their own, but now
- 50:00Speaker 1: as potential connection of between these events involving the same individual. Now,
- 50:07Speaker 1: when Jane and Edith were murdered, investigators had been limited
- 50:11Speaker 1: to very basic tools, primarily blood typing and physical evidence
- 50:14Speaker 1: that could only be compared in very general ways. There
- 50:18Speaker 1: was no method available at the time to identify a
- 50:21Speaker 1: specific individual from biological material left at the scene, and
- 50:26Speaker 1: so as a result, evidence that may have been crucial
- 50:30Speaker 1: in a later era had been collected, documented, and then
- 50:34Speaker 1: effectively set aside, preserved but not fully usable then. And
- 50:39Speaker 1: one of those pieces of evidence came from Jane Woolly's apartment,
- 50:44Speaker 1: if you remember. During the original investigation in February of
- 50:48Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, officers had collected several cigarette butts from
- 50:52Speaker 1: an ash tray at the scene. Some of those cigarette
- 50:56Speaker 1: butts bore lipstick, consistent with Jane herself, while others did not,
- 51:00Speaker 1: suggesting they came from someone else. However, without any way
- 51:04Speaker 1: to identify who had smoked the other cigarette, the evidence
- 51:08Speaker 1: had limited value. It was retained, cataloged, and stored alongside
- 51:13Speaker 1: the rest of the case files. But now, decades later,
- 51:15Speaker 1: that evidence became central to the investigation, and so as
- 51:19Speaker 1: part of the renewed effort under Project Angel, investigators revisited
- 51:23Speaker 1: the physical evidence and determined that the cigarette butts could
- 51:26Speaker 1: now be tested for DNA, but in order to make
- 51:29Speaker 1: a comparison, they needed a biological sample from Gerald too,
- 51:34Speaker 1: and by that point Gerald had been dead for several years,
- 51:39Speaker 1: But in February of two thousand, authorities made the decision
- 51:43Speaker 1: to exume his body in order to obtain the necessary
- 51:45Speaker 1: samples required. Okay, and this step was not taken lightly,
- 51:51Speaker 1: but given the potential to resolve multiple unsolved homicides, it
- 51:56Speaker 1: was considered justified.
- 51:58Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so.
- 51:59Speaker 1: So the tissue samples were collected and submitted for DNA analysis,
- 52:04Speaker 1: and when compared, the DNA profile obtained from Gerald's remains
- 52:08Speaker 1: matched the DNA recovered from the cigarette butts found in
- 52:11Speaker 1: Jane Bully's apartment, meaning for the first time there was
- 52:16Speaker 1: a direct physical link placing him inside the residence at
- 52:20Speaker 1: or near the time of the murder in nineteen sixty nine.
- 52:25Speaker 1: When it came to the situation of Edith, though, it
- 52:28Speaker 1: was a little more complicated. While the confession provided by
- 52:32Speaker 1: Gerald's family strongly indicated his involvement, the physical evidence from
- 52:36Speaker 1: the original investigation had not been preserved in a way
- 52:39Speaker 1: that allowed for definitive DNA testing. Some material had been lost, mishandled,
- 52:45Speaker 1: or even just degraded over time, limiting what they could
- 52:49Speaker 1: conclusively establish through forensic analysis. But despite this, investigators were
- 52:54Speaker 1: able to assess the available evidence in combination with the
- 52:58Speaker 1: confirmed pattern and behavior and the admission made by Gerald,
- 53:02Speaker 1: and all taken together, the information was considered sufficient enough
- 53:08Speaker 1: to determine that he was in fact responsible for Edith's
- 53:11Speaker 1: murder as well, even if the case could not be
- 53:15Speaker 1: supported by the same level of forensic certainty as Jane's investigation.
- 53:21Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, authorities publicly announced that they
- 53:25Speaker 1: had effectively solved both Jane Woolley and Edith Authier's case. However,
- 53:32Speaker 1: due to legal constraints at the time, the police were
- 53:35Speaker 1: limited into how directly they could be in naming the
- 53:38Speaker 1: individual who was responsible, particularly in relation to a deceased suspect.
- 53:45Speaker 2: Seriously, but.
- 53:49Speaker 1: Enough information was released to make the conclusion very clear
- 53:53Speaker 1: without saying it allowed directly.
- 53:55Speaker 2: Okay, I see, but that honestly is a bit of
- 53:58Speaker 2: a piss off, because why are we needing to protect
- 54:01Speaker 2: anyone who is a murderer a serial killer.
- 54:05Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly the thing. Legally we can't say that
- 54:09Speaker 1: the person's name is Gerald, but the person's name rhymes
- 54:14Speaker 1: with Beryld Like, you know, that's basically what they're doing.
- 54:17Speaker 1: They're saying it without saying it.
- 54:18Speaker 2: Well, yes, but I also think that's ridiculous that there
- 54:22Speaker 2: should even be.
- 54:25Speaker 1: That sort of clause.
- 54:26Speaker 2: Yeah, like something out there that would prevent them from
- 54:28Speaker 2: being able to name this person.
- 54:30Speaker 1: I know, I know. But ultimately, Gerald Thomas Archer had
- 54:34Speaker 1: been found responsible for all three of these.
- 54:37Speaker 2: Murders, and quite recently really yep.
- 54:41Speaker 1: Jane Woolley, Edith Arthier, and Belva Russell were in a
- 54:45Speaker 1: similar age range, each in their late fifties and early sixties.
- 54:49Speaker 1: They all even worked as chambermaids in local hotels, positions
- 54:54Speaker 1: that often place them in environments where they're interacting with
- 54:57Speaker 1: a wide range of people, many of whom were were
- 55:00Speaker 1: transient or unfamiliar at the very least. In each case,
- 55:04Speaker 1: the attack occurred when a victim was alone in her residence,
- 55:08Speaker 1: leaving no immediate barrier between her and whoever approached. The
- 55:12Speaker 1: routines also shared some similarities to each maintained a relatively
- 55:17Speaker 1: independent lifestyle, moving between work and nearby social environments such
- 55:21Speaker 1: as hotel bars. These were places where regular patrons became
- 55:25Speaker 1: familiar faces over time, even if relationships remained casual or
- 55:29Speaker 1: loosely defined. For someone like Gerald, who spent a lot
- 55:33Speaker 1: of time in these same environments, this created opportunities. In
- 55:39Speaker 1: each case, the assault began with significant blunt force trauma
- 55:42Speaker 1: to the head. The level of force use suggested an
- 55:45Speaker 1: intent to incapacitate, quickly removing the victim's ability to resist.
- 55:51Speaker 1: This was followed by additional violence, including stabbing in the
- 55:54Speaker 1: case of Edith, and clear indication of sexual assault and
- 55:58Speaker 1: rape in all three of the cases. Geographically, the pattern
- 56:03Speaker 1: also becomes clear when viewed and full. The murders occurred
- 56:07Speaker 1: across three different communities, London, Merlin and Chatham, all within
- 56:13Speaker 1: relatively short driving distance of one another, and these locations
- 56:16Speaker 1: were connected by major roadways, including Highway four oh one,
- 56:21Speaker 1: allowing for movement between them without difficulty. When these elements
- 56:25Speaker 1: were considered together, a consistent behavioral pattern emerged. Gerald was
- 56:31Speaker 1: not acting randomly. He was selecting victims who shared specific characteristics,
- 56:38Speaker 1: operating with environments that he was familiar with, and using
- 56:42Speaker 1: a method that remained largely unchanged across each attack, and
- 56:47Speaker 1: like you mentioned, he was probably only just getting started.
- 56:51Speaker 1: The consistency of these elements is what ultimately allowed investigators
- 56:55Speaker 1: years later, mind you, to connect the cases with a
- 56:58Speaker 1: high degree of certainty. At the time of the crimes
- 57:03Speaker 1: and when they were committed, though the pattern remained obscured.
- 57:06Speaker 1: Even at the time of his arrest and trial, the
- 57:08Speaker 1: full reality had not been recognized. He'd been convicted of
- 57:12Speaker 1: the murder of bellev Russell and sentenced, but the earlier
- 57:15Speaker 1: cases remained open, with no suspect formally identified. His nickname,
- 57:21Speaker 1: the London Chamber Made Slayer, is a label that only
- 57:24Speaker 1: makes sense in hindsight. During the period he was active,
- 57:28Speaker 1: though there was no such designation because the connections were
- 57:31Speaker 1: limited by the time, a period in time and where
- 57:35Speaker 1: he was heavily active with serial killers. In fact, the
- 57:38Speaker 1: region surrounding London was experiencing an unusually high number of
- 57:43Speaker 1: violent crimes, many of which would later be linked to
- 57:46Speaker 1: other serial offenses. Researchers and investigators examining the era have
- 57:52Speaker 1: suggested that multiple killers were likely operating, all at the
- 57:55Speaker 1: same time, sometimes within overlapping geographical areas. Even it created
- 58:01Speaker 1: an environment in which patterns were more difficult to detect
- 58:05Speaker 1: and where individual cases could be obscured by the sheer
- 58:07Speaker 1: volume of violent incidents. In that environment, Gerald targeted women
- 58:13Speaker 1: whose defenses were down, and in the resolution of the
- 58:16Speaker 1: case in two thousand, it provided a form of closure
- 58:20Speaker 1: from an investigative standpoint, but the resolution it came long
- 58:24Speaker 1: after the fact. For the victims, Jane Woolley, Edith Authier
- 58:29Speaker 1: and Belleville Russell, the recognition of what had happened and
- 58:33Speaker 1: who was responsible arrived decades after their murders, decades after
- 58:38Speaker 1: they passed, during the time when answers might have made
- 58:42Speaker 1: a difference to those closest to them, but instead the
- 58:46Speaker 1: cases remained incomplete. Their lives, much like their work, had
- 58:51Speaker 1: existed largely out of the public attention. They were not
- 58:55Speaker 1: widely known figures, and there was limited information available about
- 58:58Speaker 1: them beyond the circumstance of their deaths. What is clear
- 59:03Speaker 1: is that each one of them lived independently, worked in
- 59:07Speaker 1: environments that brought them into contact with many people, and
- 59:11Speaker 1: one of those people ended up being a monster. In
- 59:15Speaker 1: telling this story, it becomes difficult to separate the investigation
- 59:18Speaker 1: from the people at the center of it. The name
- 59:21Speaker 1: Gerald Thomas Archer is now attached to these cases, defined
- 59:24Speaker 1: by the pattern of his actions and the label that
- 59:27Speaker 1: came later. But the story itself is not about him.
- 59:32Speaker 1: It's about the three women whose murders were not immediately
- 59:36Speaker 1: understood or connected, and whose cases remained unresolved for years.
- 59:40Speaker 1: As a result, what happened between nineteen sixty nine and
- 59:45Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one was not recognized in real time for
- 59:48Speaker 1: what it was. Only much later did the full picture
- 59:52Speaker 1: come into view. And it's up to us to make
- 59:55Speaker 1: sure we give them a voice, even if it is
- 59:58Speaker 1: decades too late, so that way their full story gets told.
- 1:00:04Speaker 1: And that's the story of the London chambermaid slayer.
- 1:00:09Speaker 2: Who Wow, fuck you Gerald.
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were saying fuck you to me
- 1:00:14Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah, fuck you Gerald. I agree.
- 1:00:17Speaker 2: The fact that he only served fourteen years is disgusting.
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: And then he just got out and got to live
- 1:00:23Speaker 1: the rest of his.
- 1:00:24Speaker 2: Liaer to live another fourteen years.
- 1:00:26Speaker 1: Yeah, huh. So that is a case that. Yeah, there's
- 1:00:32Speaker 1: not a lot out there on that. I've seen a
- 1:00:34Speaker 1: couple podcasts cover it. I think in my searching, I
- 1:00:38Speaker 1: saw like dark poutine did it, and they did a
- 1:00:41Speaker 1: really good one, so I recommend you listened to them
- 1:00:42Speaker 1: as well. I think there was another, like one or
- 1:00:45Speaker 1: two smaller podcasts I've seen cover it, and that was it.
- 1:00:48Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard about any of this.
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: Yeah, and being the fact that it's a Canadian tale,
- 1:00:53Speaker 1: I'm surprised that we haven't heard of it. But at
- 1:00:56Speaker 1: the same time, with the lack of information, the lack
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: of notoriety, I'm also not surprised. So I'm happy to
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: tell that story and try and get it out there.
- 1:01:04Speaker 2: Just how you describe to the times back then, it
- 1:01:07Speaker 2: seems kind of terrifying because there's just like a lot
- 1:01:11Speaker 2: of serial killers and like violent crimes just going down,
- 1:01:14Speaker 2: I know, and I seem so scary.
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: I use a term. I used a term in this episode,
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: a term that I like, but I also dislike. It's
- 1:01:23Speaker 1: a two sides to the coin, a golden era of
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: serial killers. It's not a golden era because it has
- 1:01:30Speaker 1: that value and oh my god, it's amazing. It's just
- 1:01:34Speaker 1: it really brings to light, like you know what, it
- 1:01:38Speaker 1: is the prime era, not for everyone, but for them,
- 1:01:42Speaker 1: because that's how they can move, they can act and
- 1:01:45Speaker 1: not be detected, and they were so prevalent, and there
- 1:01:48Speaker 1: were so many of them. It's golden era because of
- 1:01:52Speaker 1: how many there were, not because it's a good thing.
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: Gosh, that's so disturbing, and this whole time too, just
- 1:01:59Speaker 2: said listening to this, I mean, my heart obviously very
- 1:02:03Speaker 2: much so goes out to the victims, but it also
- 1:02:05Speaker 2: really goes out to the one husband.
- 1:02:08Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, he was just.
- 1:02:10Speaker 2: Moments away from being able to save her. Obviously this
- 1:02:13Speaker 2: wasn't his fault in any friggin way, but that's toss. Yeah,
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: knowing that you were that close to being able to
- 1:02:20Speaker 2: save your wife, like, ooh, that would be so difficult
- 1:02:23Speaker 2: and wreck me. Yeah yeah, ah kind of like I would.
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: Just have that like dread flesh over us at the
- 1:02:31Speaker 1: same home.
- 1:02:31Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean. The one thing though, I guess,
- 1:02:35Speaker 2: the tiny silver lining is that all of this madness
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: that was happening at that point got us to where
- 1:02:41Speaker 2: we are today in a way of being able to
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: solve this shit better.
- 1:02:45Speaker 1: I know. Right, So, and shout out to those investigators
- 1:02:48Speaker 1: who were on Project Angel.
- 1:02:50Speaker 2: Okay, I love that name. Holy shit, that is just perfect,
- 1:02:55Speaker 2: I know.
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: Shout out to them for the people who came up
- 1:02:57Speaker 1: with that, and the people who actually initiated it and
- 1:03:01Speaker 1: executed it phenomenal. Love it.
- 1:03:04Speaker 2: Thank you.
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: Yes, we need more investigators and people like that to
- 1:03:10Speaker 1: do the things that need to be done and give
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: voice to those victims and tell their stories, find their stories,
- 1:03:17Speaker 1: and find the truth. We need people like that in
- 1:03:19Speaker 1: the world.
- 1:03:20Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because they could have just let these you know,
- 1:03:23Speaker 2: go unsolved. They could have, but they didn't.
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