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Yoreh De’ah 229:6-9. Vows: Hataras Nedarim: Annulling Partial Vows, Conditions, and Multiple Vows In the Correct Order · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK we are at Raish khaftat in helkos Nadarim.
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  We just finished reading see if vav.
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  So just to add that whenever one makes a shivua and then makes a
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  tanai on that shivua. So we learned you do a Tara on
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  the tanai and then you do a Tara on the shivua.
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  SO2 quick comments 1 is so the case over there was ploni U
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  ploni you just specify 2 people. What happens if you specified 3
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  people in your tanai? So the Taz points out Dafka 2.
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  If you would have specified 3, then that has the same halacha,
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  same den as if you did it. Aldas Robin.
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  So the Erich Lachem Omari Kash and the Atsi Lavona quotes the
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  Simas Binyamin who quickly argue on him and say this is a tanai,
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  this is not he. He did not state his neder al
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  das rabim. If it's al das rabim, he must
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  use those words. And then it becomes then only
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  they can be matirit. You can't have anyone else
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  replace them. And generally we only do it
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  let's our mitzvah. So that's a whole different
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  category we learned before. But if you don't say alda
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  asravim, it's just a tonight that only these three people are
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  the ones who can do it. So there's no it's not shayak at
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  all. OK?
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  So even if you ask 100 people, it's not considered alda
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  asravim. It doesn't matter.
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  I mean, even if you make it tonight on 100 people.
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  OK. The next quick thing was that
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  Moshe has asked a great question about kutar miksatom kutar
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  kullo. So we learn if you're a matir
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  than Neder MI ikaro. So the whole thing falls apart
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  from the very source from the very beginning and all parts
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  fall along, fall away with it. So that doesn't happen over
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  here. It's because this is Etenai.
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  So I didn't see anyone discuss it.
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  It's this case is in the rishonium.
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  It's in the base Yosef. But so I believe it's because
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  it's the only time we say hutar kulo hutar maksaso is if the
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  whole ESM Ned there is one when you have right?
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  If you make 2 separate nadar and one after another.
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  So it's separate here. So if you make a classic Nader
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  usher to me like a corban, I don't know bread and meat.
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  So that's all in one sentence, one action.
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  Even according to Rambam, it's called 1 Nader.
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  And if he falls apart half the whole thing because the
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  assumption is the whole Nader was assumption you do in the
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  whole thing. And besides, the whole
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  foundation falls apart. But when you're talking about a
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  tanai, like in our case, the tanai is something that's very
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  steady, very secondary to the nether.
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  You're not making a shivua. The tanai is not becoming us or
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  to you. It's the tanai is I made this
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  shivua on a tanai. So then we don't apply that
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  principle that you part of it falls apart, the whole thing
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  falls apart so that you have to then you do 2 separate tonight
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  also of Kolshikane. We're going to see in a in a
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  moment that if you make a separate net, a separate a
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  second shivua and that shivua is like a tonight.
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  So of course that's a second shivua.
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  Of course you need 2 hattarium. So let's see that as we come up,
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  let's read Zion. OK, IM hits Nabishat Shivua.
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  Tell a person who makes a tanai at the same time he makes a
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  shivua shalu taheni Teret la olam.
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  So he makes a tanai in the Shiva that no matter what it can never
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  be undone. So what do we say?
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  Ain'tina okum His tanai is nothing.
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  The Dwarian Val Maham, he just said a bunch of little
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  gibberish, little words with no meaning.
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  I had no no tophizes the the toss quotes.
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  Are we from the Gemara? Shumdava shum neder.
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  Sorry in lahashum neder BA olam shilo yo iolo shaila because
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  it's mukha from the Gemara. You never have such.
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  You can never make a neder. Where built into the neder.
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  There's no way out. There's always a so you can
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  question that later. And he says so says the base
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  Joseph and the Rivash fine the Neder's hall.
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  But the Tanai is not that doesn't happen.
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  Oh well, in this case because it is a proper Neder.
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  But if you say something that tonight that makes it so that
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  it's unhataraable, then it's not a tonight.
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  OK. Kayvon shaluk kalau bishwato
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  shalo yisha al shavuatov the ink matirian khila hashmi avihar
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  kaharisha. Now, if you made a shivua and
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  then afterwards you make another shivua that I'm not going to be
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  matirit. So that's that is that's that's
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  it tonight. That's that is called because
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  it's that second item is a second shivua that you can do
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  hatara on. But if you say like, you know,
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  this Shivua's almanat that it can never be had do hatara.
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  So we still we we say that tonight is dividing is AM
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  divided. It's just dividing the Alma.
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  It's nothing but the but we are we are making a little of we
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  don't say the whole sentence is nothing we have, but we do say
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  that the nether is another but The Tonight is nothing.
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  OK, fine, let's go to ket Kiba Allah kher and benido elaso
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  dovar ploni belushum PETA vekarata material.
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  So if a person accepts upon himself a cherimerinidoi to do
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  to do something like one second. In other words, if he doesn't do
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  it, he's going to be in Cherimenidoi.
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  And he says it's belichung PETA. There's no way out.
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  There's no PETA and no karata from his Cherimenidoi matirino.
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  We we do it anyway. It's you can do a atara shayna
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  Cherin. Sorry, love PETA V lo karata
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  because and this is not, you don't even need PETA and kharata
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  whenever it comes to DNA kharam in midway, you can just sever it
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  like you mentioned before. You just sever it wherever you
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  are from this point and onwards, the IM ahmar beli shun PETA
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  heter VE kharata. And if you say the words that
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  this is a Shiva that I'm making or a Heram that I'm heram, we're
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  talking about that. But there's there's no way to do
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  a PETA hector or Karata. So then Shokanara based on I
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  wanted to be showing you here anyways, he says yeesh, lahush,
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  it's a he didn't homra. It's not mikar again, so pretty
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  clear from the task, but it's a homra that you say once you once
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  you use the word Hector, we're afraid Hector is a lotion of
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  Shiva. So it's as if you made a shurua.
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  So there material lottila. OK, so in order to get out of
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  the problem it was we don't want you to violate the Shura.
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  So then we do material Lottila a la Shinia first we do atara on
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  the the second one, which is that if you violate it.
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  So first you do atara on the 2nd and then you do hatara on the
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  1st. Which is the 1st and which is
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  the 2nd 2nd. Is the the condition for for of
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  no Heather. So first we monitor the fact
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  that we can in Hatara. Well, lahush kilu, we treated as
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  a second shivua that you can't be hadu hatara.
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  Fine, just go ahead text Nishba shala udaber imploni person
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  makes a Shiva, he's not going to speak to anybody.
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  All right, simple Shiva, I'm not going to speak to this person.
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  The Nishba karka Shim udaber emo Shia Saba basa.
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  Then he says another Shiva separate second that if he ends
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  up speaking to him. Now this piece of meat is going
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  to be usser on to me. OK, depending on the law shown,
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  it's if a second if the second one is a shiroa nadar doesn't
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  matter Nisha al Hari Shona. So here you have to be, you have
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  to do a Tara sidarium on the first one, right?
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  When the second one is a is a shivua not to do a Tara
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  sidarium. So then you do the second one
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  first. But whenever in this case, he
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  already made the shivua not to eat.
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  And so therefore the second shivua isn't Kali yet, because
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  the second one's only if he violates the first Shivua and
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  then he eats. So then the second shivua kicks
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  in because then you do, then you do the shirua, then you do atara
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  on the second one, right? Because that material on lo
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  neder Velo shirua, because that's the principle we learned
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  says we never do the atara until it is already starts to apply,
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  right? We know there's Hummers, but
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  that's the Mika idea. And as we say, it doesn't call
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  it. You can't do Atara until it's
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  called no, it's not Hal because the, the, the right, there's a
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  condition. The second Shiva by definition,
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  listen to his words in the Shiva, it's only Hal if he
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  violates the first one. If he eats, then the second one
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  kicks in. Now, can there be Hal on Hal?
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  So then generally we say no, but that's if he violates the first
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  one. Sorry.
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  In this case it was that he doesn't speak to him.
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  Whatever, whatever the whatever, the Shiva was right violating
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  the first Shiva. OK, OK, OK, OK, so the shock
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  clarifies what you're saying. You only do ataris Nadine on the
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  second one if you speak. In other words, he made two
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  separate shivas #1 not to speak. OK, so you have to take care of
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  that Shiva first. The second Shiva was if he
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  speaks to him, then it's ushered to him this piece of meat.
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  So you only do Atara until you speak to him, then the meat
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  shavua or never never is called. So this first one you do right
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  away if you want to speak to him and the second Italian Zadarian,
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  you do it after he speaks it and then it's called did not didn't
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  not say that, but he but it's pretty.
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  I think it's pretty obvious. I don't think anyone could argue
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  with the Shah, but OK, because it's not called yet the train,
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  the Nishba Shaloya Nellaploni Ola hakam.
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  So here now the Plonia Ola hakam Shiish Allah Allah Shibuya
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  person makes any Shibuya he wants.
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  OK, that's shibuya #1 like not to speak to Mr. A.
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  Then he makes a second Shibuya that whoever has the the hotspot
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  to be Matiya, this Shibuya of mine, I'm going to put I'm going
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  to I'm going to make a Shibuya or a net there on that person.
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  He's trying to fortify his original Shibuya, get the rabbi
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  in trouble, so he says Nish also what do you do?
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  Nisha tehila al Hari Shona. So in this case, you have to do
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  a Taurus and darim on the first one because the first one was
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  hall right away and the second Vaharka Allah shnea.
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  So the second time he has to do it.
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  So then afterwards right afterwards, he makes Ataras
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  Nadarim on the 2nd on the second one that was on the once he was
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  Nisha. The second one is only if he who
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  does so what's called so immediately when he did Ataras
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  Adarim, but that based in that based in now is immediately
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  assert to him or whatever his nether was Shiva and so
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  therefore it is called so then he can immediately do Hatara
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  Sundarium on the second one. What happens if a person makes 1
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  Shiva that he's not going to get any Anna from somebody.
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  And then he says and then he says and if I do have Taras
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  Nadarim on this shivua, I'm going to become a Nazir.
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  So then Yisha al shivua to tehila.
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  So then you first do atara on the first one because that's
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  khal. We are Kharka when he violates
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  atara and then he becomes a Nazir because that's what he
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  said. So then he does a Kharka al
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  Nazir. Russo on his naziris.
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  The Hain call Coyote brazen as the principle for any similar
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  case.