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The Late Debate | 23 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late gentlemen, Welcome to the Late Plate.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Late Debate. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: your company. I'm Gabriella Power and joining us this evening
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  Speaker 2: is Joe Hilde Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening, Hello, Railee.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, So maybe I think I'm the most senior late
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  Speaker 1: debater for the first time. You got to say that
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  Speaker 1: very carefully. By the way, I'm the most senior late
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  Speaker 1: debater on the show for the first.
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  Speaker 3: Time person on this panel's.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm also the old old you're.
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  Speaker 2: Also, yeah, a bit old coming up tonight. John Persudo's
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  Speaker 2: days as Victorian Liberal leader are likely numbered, as as
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  Speaker 2: a leadership spill that could be held as soon as
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  Speaker 2: this Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Donald Trump has vowed to.
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  Speaker 2: End the Woke, insisting that it is destroying the country.
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  Speaker 2: And it's been five years since JK. Rowling first called
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  Speaker 2: out aggressive transgender activists.
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  Speaker 3: But first, Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Is just two days away, and it's a day that
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  Speaker 2: we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: But of course there.
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  Speaker 2: Are always some some grinches, like the Darribn counsel in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: that just want to pretend that it's not a religious holiday,
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  Speaker 2: that Christmas doesn't really exist, and refuse to even acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: the key word Christmas. Instead, it's a time where some
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  Speaker 2: choose to say happy holidays or seasons greetings. And as
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  Speaker 2: Joe hilde Browand has reminded everyone in his column over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend, the word christ is front and center, and
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  Speaker 2: because without Christ, there is no Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: So Joe, talk to us about your idea.
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  Speaker 2: If people want to avoid the term Merry Christmas, that's
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  Speaker 2: of course fine, but they don't get the holiday.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happens when you just play the waiting game,
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  Speaker 1: and you wait for all the regular hosts to go
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  Speaker 1: on holidays so that the filling host can come in,
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  Speaker 1: and then I get to put my story at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the rundown, and finally my takeover is complete.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out it wasn't cultural Marxism that this story should
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  Speaker 1: have been worried about. It was me. Yes, no, I
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  Speaker 1: am filthy about this. I don't get outraged very easily,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, really, I'm no. I get hysterical and
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  Speaker 1: have extreme moral positions on otherwise unimportant things, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't get outraged. I don't get this same.
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  Speaker 3: But you're outrighted about this.
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  Speaker 1: I am just it's just so dumb. It's just so
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  Speaker 1: incredibly dumb. And the more I sort of thought about it,
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  Speaker 1: and the more I wrote about it, the dumber I
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  Speaker 1: realized it was. Firstly, obviously that's right, I was getting
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  Speaker 1: smarter everyone around him. But firstly, it's Christmas, right, So
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  Speaker 1: the clues in the name. It's Christ's Mass, It's to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate his birth. That's the only reason it's there. That's
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  Speaker 1: the only reason we have a public holiday. Now, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to start a campaign, go around wishing people
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  Speaker 1: happy Yule Day or Happy Saturnalia. Because the Christians kind
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  Speaker 1: of stole a few dates from other religions and sort
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  Speaker 1: of plung their own on it. That's fine, but to
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  Speaker 1: just retend we're just all having holidays for no reason reason.
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  Speaker 1: And then I look, of course the word holiday itself,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the word holiday is holy day. It
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  Speaker 1: is literally when you have a day off to do
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  Speaker 1: holy things, for religious services or for religious observance or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So the whole idea of having a holiday is founded
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  Speaker 1: in religion, in religiosity. And then of course the names
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  Speaker 1: of the days themselves are all named or most are
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  Speaker 1: named after God's Okay, we've got Sunday for the sun
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  Speaker 1: Monday for the moon Tuesday, I forget Tuesday, but Wednesday's
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  Speaker 1: Odin's Day or Woden's Day. Thursday is Thursday, pretty obvious,
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  Speaker 1: and Friday is free or Freersday. All right, so these
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  Speaker 1: are the Norse gods. Saturday is again Saturn'sday, so a
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  Speaker 1: Roman god thrown in there as well, or technically I
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  Speaker 1: think he was a Titan. But anyway, so again, all
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  Speaker 1: these things are completely imbued with christianny. And so when
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  Speaker 1: you get some nob end counsel or some nob end
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  Speaker 1: atheists saying, oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway because it's
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  Speaker 1: all irrelevant and it's all just you know, it's irrationalists
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  Speaker 1: and scientific, it's like, no, no, it's not perfectly rational.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the French Revolution with it's you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the third week of Thermidore. You know it it's based
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  Speaker 1: on thousands of thousands of years years that we measure
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  Speaker 1: from the time Christ was born, or there's the time
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  Speaker 1: be thought he was born. We got that wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: you know we still measure it. Yeah, like that is
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  Speaker 1: the starting point for the Common Era. And yet they
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  Speaker 1: still changed the name Anno Domini to the Common Era
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  Speaker 1: because we thought we've got to get rid of Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: but you're still measuring the years from when he was born,
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  Speaker 1: so it's still no sense.
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  Speaker 3: Rayah, what do you make of this? Do you support Joe's.
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  Speaker 2: Idea that you don't get the holiday if you don't
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  Speaker 2: say Merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 5: And my other issue with this is I'm sure these
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  Speaker 5: councils would have no issue saying Happy Dewali, Happy Ramadan,
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  Speaker 5: mary Ad, all sorts of other religious holidays, but when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to Christian holidays, everyone's like, oh no, we
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  Speaker 5: can't possibly be a Christian country with a Christian heritage
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  Speaker 5: and Christian foundations. It's just like, well, why the double standard.
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  Speaker 5: If you're to go totally secular, totally atheist, no holidays, okay,
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  Speaker 5: then cut out every single other multicultural holiday that you
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  Speaker 5: like to celebrate in virtue signal about as a council.
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  Speaker 5: But they don't do that every other holiday, green light,
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  Speaker 5: go ahead, let's have some happy Duali. But when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to Christmas, that's a no go. It's a complete
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  Speaker 5: double standard, and it's anti reality. It's trying to deny
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  Speaker 5: the foundations of Western civilization, deny the foundations of our country.
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  Speaker 5: It wrote out our common story as a civilization.
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  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of like it's offensive to the
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  Speaker 1: other story.
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  Speaker 3: Now I really am going to let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's offensive to other religions as well because it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't take religion seriously. It's and it's quite a sort
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  Speaker 1: of well known fact that you know, Muslims will have
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  Speaker 1: more in common with with Christians, and believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: Jews and their religions do. They're all all three are
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  Speaker 1: Abrahamic religions than they do it with Atheis. So the
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  Speaker 1: idea talk to a Muslim about there just not being
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  Speaker 1: a God, and it's like it's like saying that the
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  Speaker 1: world doesn't exist. Right. So and again, so I've been
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  Speaker 1: you know, I spent Ramadan in Turkey, of obviously Muslim country.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that you would go around not say happy
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  Speaker 1: Ramadan but instead say, you know, seasons copy you know
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  Speaker 1: Seasons would look at you as though you had two heads.
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  Speaker 5: But you know what this says, right, I think this
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  Speaker 5: is just symptomatic of the broader leftist elite that is
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  Speaker 5: fundamentally ashamed and embarrassed about our heritage. And our foundation
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  Speaker 5: is a country. That's what it is. They're embarrassed that
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  Speaker 5: we're a Christian country, which I think is completely absurd,
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  Speaker 5: because we should be proud Christianity. The message of Christmas
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  Speaker 5: is the most inclusive religious message, perhaps among all sort
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  Speaker 5: of religions imaginable like Christianity has revolutionized the world, and
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  Speaker 5: many of the human rights advocates and activists that I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure these people look up to were Christians themselves. The
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  Speaker 5: women's rights, about all sorts of things championed by Christians.
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  Speaker 5: We should be proud of this fact, not trying to
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  Speaker 5: erase it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's well. The big thing now, of course, is
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  Speaker 1: you know, reparations for slavery. The campaign against slavery was
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  Speaker 1: started by Christians and were started by radical Christians. It
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  Speaker 1: were started by Quakers, who are just incredibly annoying Puritans.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't acknowledge the Reformation was actually legitimate. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, all Protestants, as far as I'm concerned, saying great,
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  Speaker 1: but it was there was people arguing for equality on
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  Speaker 1: a Christian basis, that all these people were divine, all
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  Speaker 1: these people were God's children, they were equally God's children.
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  Speaker 1: And again there there would have been almost no other
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  Speaker 1: way of understanding it, even in an Enlightenment or post
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  Speaker 1: Enlightenment world. And even in the Enlightenment, most people were
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  Speaker 1: trying to incorporate God into the scientific thinking because they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't imagine, because life without it would seem so sort
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  Speaker 1: of empty and soul. It's like Charles Darwin was at
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  Speaker 1: pains to insist that his theories of evolution were not
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  Speaker 1: in any way counter to the notion of God existing.
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  Speaker 1: Same with Galileo. All these smug little atheists who think,
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  Speaker 1: I know it was always, you know, the Church against science.
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  Speaker 1: That is not true at all. In fact, most pioneers
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  Speaker 1: in science were desperately trying to incorporate the idea of
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  Speaker 1: God in their think. Even Brian Schmid, Australia's Nobel Prize
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  Speaker 1: Our Nobel Laureate in astronomy, astrophysicists. This is a guy
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  Speaker 1: stares at the heavens for a living. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a guid out there, he'd be the first known.
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  Speaker 1: And even he says that he's a militant agnostic, which
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  Speaker 1: is that I don't know it, neither of you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we will be saying Merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: On christ program Christmas, because otherwise that all the Irish
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  Speaker 1: get drunk.
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  Speaker 2: Any encourage can not have that, so we'll also be
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  Speaker 2: getting the public holiday for under Joe's rules. But if
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  Speaker 2: anyone is looking for an example of how not to lead,
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  Speaker 2: look at embattled Victorian Liberal leader John and Pursudo, whose
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  Speaker 2: time as leader appears to be running out fast and
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  Speaker 2: thank goodness for that. After using his cast vote last
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  Speaker 2: week to keep More Redeeming out of the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 2: he backflipped this weekend and ordered another party room meeting
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  Speaker 2: set for January fifteenth, for More Redeeming to return.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: John Persudo claims.
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  Speaker 2: That the Victorian people know me after two years as
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  Speaker 2: a fighter for them, and he couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Be more wrong about that.
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  Speaker 2: All of Australia knows him as someone who only fights
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  Speaker 2: for himself.
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  Speaker 3: He has had so many chances to make.
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  Speaker 2: Things right with More Redeeming and the party, he has
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  Speaker 2: left it far too late. He's been only focused on
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  Speaker 2: his ego and his pride and now a leadership spill
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  Speaker 2: could be held as soon as this Friday, and Opposition
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  Speaker 2: Police spokesman Brad Batton is considered to be the front runner.
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  Speaker 3: But Freyer what met this is.
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  Speaker 2: What people hate with politicians, all the infighting, not focused
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  Speaker 2: on the job.
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  Speaker 5: It's felt like the last two years we've just kind
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  Speaker 5: of watched John Perzuto slowly dig one shovel at a time,
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  Speaker 5: month by month, himself into this brave and I mean
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of sad because I do know people that
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  Speaker 5: are personally close with John Perzuto who say he's actually,
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  Speaker 5: on a personal level, a very decent human being.
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  Speaker 4: And so we.
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  Speaker 5: Can't, well, we can't villainize politics is politics, right, But
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  Speaker 5: I think the way that this is unfolded is a
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  Speaker 5: travesty for Moy Redeeming, for women, and most importantly for Victorians.
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  Speaker 5: They have hardly had a functional opposition for the last
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  Speaker 5: two years, and that's that's ridiculous. I mean, they haven't
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  Speaker 5: released a single major policy. What have they been doing.
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  Speaker 5: You don't have a government to run, and to win government,
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  Speaker 5: you need vision, you need values, and you need unity.
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  Speaker 4: We don't get any sense.
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  Speaker 5: Of what Victorian Liberal Party's vision is for the state.
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  Speaker 4: What are their values?
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  Speaker 5: Well, John Perzuto sums them up at the moment vote
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  Speaker 5: against MOI Redeeming re entering the party one day, backflip
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  Speaker 5: the next day. Anything to save your own back and
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  Speaker 5: the unity, well that's in shambles. I think they need
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  Speaker 5: a serious reset if the people of Victoria are going
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  Speaker 5: to actually be done right by and also for Peter
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  Speaker 5: Dutton in the federal coalition. I think getting Victoria under
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  Speaker 5: control should be a key concern.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, top priority for sure. What do you think, Jo?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? The only thing I would disagree with out of
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  Speaker 1: what Fred just said was that the opposition has been
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  Speaker 1: shambles for two years. I think it's been about ten years,
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  Speaker 1: and then it was a shamboll at government for all that.
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  Speaker 1: And I say this as someone who has myself been
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  Speaker 1: incredibly critical of Daniel Andrews and some of the things
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  Speaker 1: he did, a lot of the things, almost everything he
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  Speaker 1: did during COVID was absolutely shameful, and both major reviews
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  Speaker 1: have even unasked to, even unbidden, have said that this
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely wrong, and yet he was able to get
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  Speaker 1: away with it because there was no effective opposition because
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  Speaker 1: the opposition was fighting amongst itselves instead of holding the
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  Speaker 1: government to account.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian seemed to have Stockholm syndrome. They looked up to
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  Speaker 2: him during COVID.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, believable.
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  Speaker 1: I described it as the East Germany of Australia is
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  Speaker 1: it is a place where the group think. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: a Victoria myself. I grew up there and it's really changed, sadly.
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  Speaker 1: But the group think, the parochialism, the kind of the
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  Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder about how you know, we're the
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  Speaker 1: best city in Australia, but no one appreciates it, accept us.
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  Speaker 1: It is just crazy. And Andrews really cast a spell
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  Speaker 1: on them, and almost the more he made them suffer,
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  Speaker 1: the more they the more they liked him, and the
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  Speaker 1: more they believed it because it because they'd already It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a gambler chasing his losses that they'd
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  Speaker 1: already suffered and been through so much that by the
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  Speaker 1: time it became clear that this wasn't actually necessary, that
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  Speaker 1: this wasn't actually working, they weren't going to get to
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  Speaker 1: COVID zero. They were never going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: open up, you know. It was just they were just
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  Speaker 1: going to get crushed until the vaccine came along. Like
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  Speaker 1: that's impossible. It was almost impossible. It's like, you mean,
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  Speaker 1: we went through all this for nothing, And so they
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  Speaker 1: just told themselves the story, Oh but he's been a
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  Speaker 1: strong leader. But We didn't know any of this at
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  Speaker 1: the time, but we did, and people were shouting for
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  Speaker 1: He's a great actor, he's a brilliant performer, he's a
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  Speaker 1: brilliant politician. And I have no doubt that he actually
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  Speaker 1: initially thought that he was doing the right thing as well,
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  Speaker 1: because there were people on the left screaming for lockdowns
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  Speaker 1: and hysterical parents pulling their kids out of schools when
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  Speaker 1: schools were safe and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Like that, but then ignoring the other side.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is, this is going broke. The problem is
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  Speaker 1: with the left that they don't They are instinctively ideological
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  Speaker 1: and not pragmatiy. So they just said, right, this is
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  Speaker 1: the ideology, this is the theory. And once that happens again,
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  Speaker 1: the brainwash is complete and it's okay, well, we have lockdowns,
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  Speaker 1: and lockdowns save lives. We do lockdowns, we save lives,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the dogma and the way you go. Instead
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  Speaker 1: of being for people more sensible or in the middle,
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  Speaker 1: we sy, oh, hang on a minute, let's look at this.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't I'm to be honest, I'm pretty optimistic about Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: Having said all of that, all the group think and
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  Speaker 5: Victorians hating voting, but having said that the Victorian Liberals,
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  Speaker 5: despite two years of chaos, despite no policies, despite very
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  Speaker 5: little vision and values, are still polling pretty pretty well
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  Speaker 5: against labor. And so, I mean the step down of
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Andrews was the saving grace. Just into Alan is
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  Speaker 5: a much weaker premier than Daniel Andrews was, and it's
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  Speaker 5: reflected in everything from the public reception to her social
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  Speaker 5: media statistics. They are far worse than Daniel Andrews. And
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  Speaker 5: So if the Victorian Liberals, despite all the chaos internally,
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  Speaker 5: can still somehow manage to be within a fighting chance
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  Speaker 5: of government, I think there is hope for Victoria's hope.
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  Speaker 3: They need a new leader.
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  Speaker 2: Look to the US now, Donald Trump has wasted no
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  Speaker 2: time preparing America about what to expect when he returns
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  Speaker 2: to the White House. He declared that WOK has to
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  Speaker 2: stop insisting that it's destroying the country, and essentially that
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  Speaker 2: woke is bs. With a stroke of my pen on
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  Speaker 2: day one, we're going to stop the transgender learnacy and.
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  Speaker 6: We will keep men out of women's sports.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are going to be a lot of
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  Speaker 2: relieved parents and relieved women hearing that message from Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 5: For sure, and I think this is the courage that
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  Speaker 5: so few political leaders really have. And it's easy now
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  Speaker 5: to look at Trump saying this uf and be like, well,
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  Speaker 5: of course men shouldn't be in women's sports, But that
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  Speaker 5: was not the consensus position even a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Even a year ago, things were so different. But it
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  Speaker 5: just shows you the power that courageous individuals can have
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  Speaker 5: and how we can actually turn around our culture. We
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  Speaker 5: really can. Conservatives often resign themselves to the backseat and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: everything's just going to get more progressive and there's nothing
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  Speaker 5: we can really do about it but try to resist
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  Speaker 5: as much as we can. But at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the day, it's a losing fight. No, we can actually
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  Speaker 5: turn the ship around. And I think the way Trump
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  Speaker 5: has come out so strongly against this crazy, radical anti
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  Speaker 5: reality wokeness and the way he has been rewarded by
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  Speaker 5: the general public shows that conservatives need to get up
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  Speaker 5: off their butts and stop whining about always losing every fight,
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  Speaker 5: because they don't have to lose. We can actually win fights.
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  Speaker 5: And this proves if we're on the side of truth,
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  Speaker 5: if we're on the side of reality and common sense.
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  Speaker 4: We will win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And We saw that in the US, didn't we
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  Speaker 2: jo with the with the election results of Angelin I
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  Speaker 2: really swung.
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  Speaker 3: And people really rejected all this woke nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not just the RIO, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: conservatives as well. So there is just a huge number
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  Speaker 1: of people in the Labor Party who were thinking the
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  Speaker 1: exact same thing but basically thought that they were the
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  Speaker 1: only ones thinking it and were scared to say anything
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  Speaker 1: in case they were canceled or pilloried. That they're back
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  Speaker 1: now and again. Chris Means is the embodiment of the
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  Speaker 1: sensible centrist Labor Party, and he's done some fantastic things
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: for trans people and the LGBTQ community, done things that
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, if anyone else did them, would be seen
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to be woke. But he's done it from a really
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: sort of calm and careful and considered, sort of sensible position.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And I think that is the problem here has not
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: necessarily been the issues themselves, but it's been the activists
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: behind them. And it's been like what Freyer said, where
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: you have these people who care more about the sound
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of their own voices than they do about actually achieving
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: outcomes or indeed, the vulnerable people who they might be
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: pretending to represent, but where they just want an issue
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to fight for. They want to be on the forefront
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of something. They look around, you know, I've got marriage
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: or quality for gay peable. What's next? Trans trans? So
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: now you have to accept that trans women are women.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And if you don't say and if you don't say
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that absolutely and again the absolute dogma, absolutely all the time,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: no matter what, then you're transphobic. You're a biggot, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you have to be canceled. And they get sort of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: ahead of these arguments, and then they they try to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: brainwash people and say, if you don't support everything we say,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: this new orthodoxy that we've spelt out, if you don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: support all of it, then you're a bigot and you're
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: on the wrong side of history. And this is just progress.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And so conservatives think, oh, do you this projege regress.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: That's what I don't want to end up looking like,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a white supremacist during slavery or whatever. Whatever.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I better just do whatever they say. And of course
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: if you are seen to cross them, and they do pylon,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: as we will see later on the show, then it
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: is just absolutely brutal and it's ferocious and people who
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: would otherwise be sympathetic to a lot of these issues,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and certainly a lot of the people who are suffering
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: as a result, just go, well, no, screw you all.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: If you're just going to run around marauding people, abusing them,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: telling people, you know, trying to come for people's jobs
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, just because they don't agree with
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the last thing that you've said, everyone has to agree
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with ye, then I'm just going to be opposed to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: whatever it is you say, no matter what, because that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: is what you're doing to everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the thing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's different from you know, you're conservative and sounding up
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: for your values and what you believe in.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: You can't you don't have to be labeled.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: A white supremacist and Nazi all these horrible things.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: That's right, exactly like you call. I mean, the idea
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of calling Donald Trump a Nazi is the repairs. But
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the person that is most insulting to is not Donald Trump.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It is all the actual victims of Nazis. Of course,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the Jewish community would laugh there ares off at you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: because to him, to ten, Donald Trump is the savior
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: who's delivered the best result for Israel in his presidency,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: any of the other presidents could deliver, but again it
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: just shows that anyone. Again it's that ridiculous extremist ideological
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: thinking where if you don't agree with everything I say,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you're a biggot, you're a fascist, you're a Nazi, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: there's no there's no shades of people who disagree.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I think the problem, the key problem with the left
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: will always run into is that what is progress? And
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: if you blindly pursue progress as the virtue in and
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: of itself, you're actually not bound to any underlying values.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: There's no guiding philosophy other than the fact that we
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: need to move forward, regardless of where we're moving to.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: No one will tell you, well, what is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: What are we prayering to?
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Just endless revolution, endless tearing down of the cultural fabric,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: endless undermining of everything you know there's built Western civilization
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: because that is progress, and that is the only value
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: that they hold. But conservatives will win. And I don't
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: even think it's conservatives necessarily. I think people on the
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: side of truth will win. Normal when normal people, when
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: we actually stick to truths that have held the test
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: of time, gender being one of them.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Hey, the fundamental binary that.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: At a base level distinguishes the most fundamental differences between
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: human beings. Gender that's actually a real thing, and yes
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: there are only two.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: If we stick to truth.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: As our core value, we will always come out on
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: the right side of history because eventually truth will prevail.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Reality is what you run into when you're wrong, and
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: the left is running into reality. Fuss because they're fundamentally wrong.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Well that's right, that's right, and sorry this obsessive me,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but that's right. I mean. So the key here is
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that for people to go around saying you're on the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: wrong side of history means that they and only they
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: know what the future is. So what the left hact
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And this is the extreme left as opposed to the sensible,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: sort of pragmatic center left. So they imagine, and again
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: this is where revolutions will and civil wars cost millions
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: and millions of lives. You imagine a utopia in your head.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You all agree what it must look like you or
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: don't agree or whatever, but you thrash out what it
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: must look like. You purge everyone and disagrees, and you
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: take them out the back and shoot them, and then
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you have this utopia. And then from that moment onwards,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it does not matter how many people die or who suffers,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: because it is all worth it in pursuit of this
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: utopia that you know is coming, but only in your imagination.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And that's how Mao was able to do it, That's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: how the Soviets wroke.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: But I would say the danger of the pragmatic center
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: left you talk about, and I have to call you
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: up on chris Min's right, putting through the equality Bill,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: which is alad for gender self identification, a whole bunch
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: of things that I think actually go to this wokeness
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: that we need to stamp out.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: And so the problem with the center.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Left as opposed to the far left is they are
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: in some senses even more dangerous because they haven't thought
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: through the full utopian vision. They just believe in progress.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: So they're the ones actually running blind. I'd rather know
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: what you're heading toward and then we can attack them.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: My wife being on this endless train of progress.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So my wife, well, as a conservative, I would have
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: thought you'd take the opposite view. Free you just sort
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of see where we were and how we were going,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and solve problems as they arise, and that is what
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the Equality Bill thoughts to do. My wife works for
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Quality Australia, so she was working on the bill and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: so she was very happy with Chris Mins. She says
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that I'm no longer the most handsome man in her life.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And again to me, I thought it was very sense.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: But to me it was a perfect example of not
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: not shoving things in people's faces or indeed in people's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: change rooms or whatever, by dealing with problems as they
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: arise to protect people as much as possible on both sides,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: rather than again projecting this kind of new world order
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and saying if you don't sign up to it immediately,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you're a bigger and so it is something that's done,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, And I can guarantee if there are issues
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: where women are feeling uncomfortable because of encroachment on women's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: only space, you can. I can London to a brick,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: he will come in, he will fix whatever needs to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: be fixed to do that. But it is all about
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: just that, non ideological, solving problems in the simplest and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: easiest way, not canceling people, not saying okay, everything has
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to be like this, believe it or not. There are
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: activists who thought the Equality of bill should be junked
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: entirely because it didn't go far enough, and so and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: so these are the kind of crazy people that we're
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: dealing with, both on the left and the room.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: We're compromising with crazy people that we're compromising.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Well, no, someone can say. Someone can say, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I want a banana. You know, it's a terrible old joke, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: but you can you can say something like, you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I want you know, I want a banana, and I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hate black people. Right. That hated black people is absolutely
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: terrible in a boring and discussing and you're completely wrong
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: about that. But having a banana's okay, right, so you
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So people can be right about
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: people saying I want lower taxes and I want to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: be able to marry my cousin.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: They want to say happy holidays, Happy holidays, exactly, public holiday.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You don't say happy holidays. It's fine, whatever toilet you want,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: just don't say happy holidays.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So the left is still having a meltdown about Donald
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Trump returning to the White House, and a private liberal
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: arts women's college in Northampton, Massachusetts, is now offering a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: course called White Supremacy in the Age of Trump. Of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: course we are seeing that, and the course apparently analyzes
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the history, prevalence, and current manifestations of the white supremacist
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: movement by examining ideological components, tactics, and and its relationship
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to mainstream politics. Courses like this have been running at
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Smith College since twenty nineteen, and in a previous paper,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: students were asked to answer the question how did the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: ideology of white supremacy help elect Donald Trump? And what
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: did the twenty sixteen election teach us? So, of course,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: if Trump is such a white supremacist, it just makes
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: you wonder why he's chosen people like with a Grammar
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Swami and cash Battel to be part of his cabinet.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: That's for sure.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, this really annoys me because I am a
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: student at Sydney University and I have a lot of
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: friends in the arts faculty. I specifically, even though philosophy
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: was my favorite subject in school, I did not do
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: an arts degree at university because I knew the chances
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: are it would be full of stuff like this. Now,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I think this is the biggest argument for why we
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: should not be paying off student debt and giving universities
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: any more money than they are currently getting because this
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: is a crazy from the US, but stuff like this
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: is happening in Australian universities as well, and it just
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: shows you how institutionalized racist activism has become, because that
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: is fundamentally a racist thing to assert that white supremacy.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Anyone who voted for Trump, who helped him get elected,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: is a white supremacist, and it flies in the face
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: of reality. Again, this seems to be a common thread.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: We see the left hates truth. They hate the fact
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: that it's actually a diverse group of people who are
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: not there because of their race, but because of their merits.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: And it is really really frustrating. And even the question itself,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: how did the ideology of white supremacy help elect Trump?
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: It assumes you agree with the premise. It's not even
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: letting you argue with the premise of the question. Zero
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: critical thinking zero. So this just frustrates me. This is
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: why I have the biggest bone to pick with the
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: university sector. I think universities have really tanked their own
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: reputation and they've got no one to blame but themselves.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: And we see academics like this all around the place,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: and one of the guys delivering this course. Tar Nahisi Coats,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: he wrote a book about the Israel Palestine conflict, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: in an interview he actually said he doesn't know if
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: he would have the strength to not participate in October
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: seven were he a Palestinian. So this is the kind
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: of person teaching a white supremacy courses, then going I
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: don't know if I would not have the strength if
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the wall came down and I was Palaestinian to not
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: run in there and rape and murder innocent Pistilians.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Hmmm, so where are the human rights now?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I just love this so much, and I love it
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: because I just imagine I just imagine a neo Nazi
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: sitting down and reading this and going, hey, Bob, do
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you hear there's a white supremacy course at Smiths College.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: We could get qualified. We could I'm an official Bachelor
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of White Supremacy.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: They're sitting down there looking at this, going wow, I
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: didn't really, as we're so influential. I think this gives
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: the white supremacy movement more credit than it deserves because
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: obviously it exists. And I think on the right we
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: cannot be afraid of criticizing people that might be seen
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: to be politically affiliated. So one hundred percent white supremacy
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: is terrible. It's evil, and there are white supremacists that exists,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: but I think this gives them way too much credit.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: That's right, And there's not enough to sweep Donald Trump
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to power in the landslide election, plus deliver the House
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of Reps, the Senate, and the majority of Governor Torrea
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that could. This is the thing. As long as the left,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: as long as you know, and again it's same old,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: same old story. You know, same old song, different singer.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: As long as the left thinks that this is the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: way to beat Donald Trump and blame everything he does
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and says on white supremacy, he will rule for a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: thousand years. He or JD. Vans or people like him
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: will keep getting up again and again and again, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I guess they'll have the left will have something to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: protest about. So maybe everybody wins because see, to America
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: was racist. I was right. I took a white supremacy
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: court that told me America is really racist, and now
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it's proven that it is racist. Donald Trump got elected again.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: What are we going to do? I don't, let's do
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: another course, and how racist America is I mean, these
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: people are brain damaged, and that that is why Trump
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: keeps getting Like the reason Trump won was because the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Democrats had the most brain dead candidate replaced him with
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the most even more nauseatingly brain dead candidate. Really, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they just could not structure narrative. People had no idea.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Can anyone tell me anything that Kamala Harris actually stands
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: for or what she was going to do to help them? Look,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it is it's almost impossible to decipher the sort of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: literal meaning of the words she is saying. Let alone
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: get some idea of her vision.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: You liked that actually answering any questions, that's right again,
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: And like everyone's just like, you know, oh honey, I
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: you know, I think we're going to have to sell
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: the trailer because we're losing twenty eight grand and you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: and young young Rix on fentanyl again and he's just
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: stolen the college fund.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Who should we vote for the next presidential election? Oh,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: let's vote for the woman who says she's going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bring joy. Oh, oh, that's to do it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Doesn't vote for the guy that's stupid and privilege because
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: he could be a threat to democracy.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That's right. It's just mind blowing, how stupid and done
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that campaign most but again it's completely emblematic of Kamala Harris.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Is what you get when you do courses like this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So there's lights of premiacy over there. Find the first
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: black woman you cand of, just shove her into the nomination.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That'll fix all the white supremacy.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The wonderful Harry Potter, author and a women's right campaigner,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: jk Rowling has marched the five year anniversary of her
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: first rather social media post calling out aggressive transgender activists,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and what a massive five years it's been for jk
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Rowling since then. Her original tweet in December twenty nineteen says,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: dress however, you please call yourself whatever you like, sleep
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: with any consenting adult who will have you live your
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: best life in peace and security, but force women out
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: of their jobs for stating that sex is real. Jk
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Rowling shared that post today with this message five years
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: ago today, and my only regret is that I didn't
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: speak out soon on to every girl and woman who's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: paid a heavy price for fighting to retain their rights
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and boundaries, To every person striving to hold an appalling
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: medical experiment on minors. I absolute you, we will win.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And ever since that post went out, people have tried
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to cancel her. She's lost fans, close friends, employees, She's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: been getting attacked nearly every day by transactivists. But I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: love that JK Rowling has just been such a fearless
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: campaigner in this space.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: She's played such a big.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Role in in fighting for women's rights.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Love that she hasn't backed.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Down, not one beer.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: I think this speaks to what we were talking about before,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: the power of courageous individuals to stand on the side
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: of truth, and to have major stars who were in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the Harry Potter film whose whole career they owe to
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: JK Rowling to come out and then and bully her
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: in public basically through endless open letters and scathing criticism,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: And for her to keep going despite all of that,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I think is extremely admirable and is a lesson. I
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: think she's one of the greats of our time, firstly
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: for being one of the most talented writers I think
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: we'll ever see in our age, and then for taking
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: such a courageous stand on the side of truth when
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: in all other things, from my understanding, she's quite a
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: liberal person.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: She would not naturally.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: See, you know, she's probably not going to be here
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: with us on the Late Debain anytime soon, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: going off. But yeah, and yet she went against her
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: own tribe, her own probably where she would naturally be
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: pulled what everyone around her was saying, and she took
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: a principled stand on the side of truth. And how
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: things have changed. She has been completely vindicated in the
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: last five years. And we've seen the pendulum swing we
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: have seen women when, we've seen women's rights when and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I think she is to be.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Applauded, absolutely, and I love that she hasn't been getting
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: behind We're redeeming she hasn't.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: This is out of this vibe.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: And again, this is what the extreme left does time
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and time again. It gets people who might otherwise have
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: been sort of allies or otherwise have been no you know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: had no truck with some of the stuff, the stuff
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: they pretended they wanted, and it turns on them. It
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: punishes them for being apostates. It tries to publicly crucify
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: them as heretics. Again, it's all very religious, although these
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: people are all godless Marxist atheists, and it ends up
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: creating a force that is much much, much more powerful,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: because what it does is it makes people think, oh, so,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: anyone who's trans is basically the same as these horrible,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: nasty extremists who are attacking and abusing that nice lady
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: who wrote Harry Potter, which my kid loves. And so
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: people are coming to this issue for the first time
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: through the prism of these hateful extreme activists instead of just,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of just being able to sort of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: come through it as you know, someone whose daughter is
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: having a really hard time because she feels different from
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: all the other girls. Right, So, again and again, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: thing they come after her is her just saying so
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: is her not even arguing against trans stuff per se,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but just saying that women should not be canceled, that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: people should not be canceled or forced out of their
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: jobs for saying that sex isn't real or that you.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Know, exactly, so I re shared point her for not saying.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: The right thing. And suddenly you find out and you're
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: awaken this giant dragon where it turns out the vast
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: majority of people are on her side, and then it
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: also boxes her into a corner where she's now aligned
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: with more redeeming and Donald Trump on this issue for
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: one thing. So you're taking someone who would have been
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a great champion for a lot of other things that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you presumably believe in, if you're on the left, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: she always has been, and you're turning them into Trumpers.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You're turning people like me and half the people in
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the Labor Party I know, into people who are actually
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: secretly glad that Donald Trump got elected because it kicked
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: these extreme leftists in the nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we have to go to a break.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But coming up, we'll go to the news that is
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: rocking Hollywood actress Blake Lively. There's some drama around her
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: stay with US. Hello, and welcome back to the late debate.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Actress Blake Lively has accused her co star of It
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Ends with Us, Justin Baldoni, of sexual harassment and of
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: trying to destroy her reputation, which he denies. But now
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: her list of demands that she requested on set have.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Been revealed in a legal complaint.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: According to The New York Times, her first request was
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: no more showing of nude videos or images of women, which,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: of course seems more than fair that people stop discussing
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni's previous pornography addiction, and that no one should
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: be talking about their sex lives. No one can also,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: so Joe, you're going to struggle with that one. That
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: no one can ask her about her trainer or about
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: her weight. She also demanded that an intimacy coordinator be
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: president at all times, that there were any scenes involving
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: her and Justin Baldoni. And they're just a handful of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the thirty demands that she listed. So look, Fray, what
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: do you make of this? I think she's within her
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: rights to demand these things.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I definitely think she is.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of basic workplace professionalism, you would think,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: although maybe not in Hollywood, actually definitely not in Hollywood.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: And I know Blake Lively has been very outspoken on
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: the issue of child pornography, for example, and exploitation, so
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: I think she is definitely within her rights. She's been
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: a strong advocate on this stuff in the past, so
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: it makes sense that she would feel strongly about this. However,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I do think the waters are a little murky here,
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: and I think as the case proceeds, we'll start to
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: know a bit more about the circumstances surrounding the thirty
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: key demands and his response and we saw during the
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: press tour they were not pictured together at all. People
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: turn their backs on Blake Lively and she actually was
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: really slaughtered on the internet for promoting her hair care
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: brand while doing a press tour about domestic violence. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: so there were a lot of kind of ikey vibes
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: jen zed slang for you all piky vibes going on
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: throughout this whole movie premiere, to be honest, and so
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: now this comes out, doesn't really surprise me that there
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: is so weird stuff going on, but I guess time
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: will tell what's really happening.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: It's weird looking at the demands because the fact that
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: she made them suggest that that it was what was
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: going on, and that's naturally going to make anyone uncomfortable,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: especially when you're working so closely with someone.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I don't know how given like it
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: sounds like it was very creepy, and and the producer
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: was as well. I've just been obsessed with you since
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I first found out about it and have gone through.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: For me, the nastiest things that they did was when
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the allegedly allegedly allegedly was when the actor Caledonia and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Baldoni sorry and the producer who was sort of tight
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and so again there's that. So they're sort of running
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the movie and Blake's just in their show. But they
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: actually hired a PR firm to destroy her reputation. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you talk about the online storm that it would appear
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: from the texts that have been released, was deliberately created,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: was deliberately sort of fabricated in order to destroy Blake
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Lively's reputation. And why would they want to do that?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Precisely because they knew that these kind of allegations were
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: going to come out. And how would you know these
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: allegations were going to come out? I wonder what we
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: did last summer. Yeah, that's absolutely and they made it.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: They made it very very clear, and they were talking
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to this sort of you know, high powered kind of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: crisis comms firm. Always I always laugh whenever there's a
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: crisis commns firm says this is how Will Burier, and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it's like, the worst way you Burier is not put
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: it in a text message, you know, like get that
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: into signal. Oh my god. So so I think that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: is the that is the really sinister thing. And so
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you work back from that. So all right, well, why
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: are they trying to destroy her reputation when they've got
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars they want to make on
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this movie. And there was other stuff. I like you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: talk about Parona haircare price. I don't know about that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in particular, but apparently she was actually told to keep
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it really light. They didn't want to scare people off
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the movie, so promote it as though it's a really
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: positive thing. And then after she'd already done that, they decided, well,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: this is actually pretty stupid because people think they're going
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to see Anne have grown Rabeles the rom com and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: they're getting this really dark domestic advance thing. And so
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: suddenly you know Baldoni because he's a very creative genius
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: who must speak the truth. He says, no, I want
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to make it all about Dave, and he positions himself
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: in opposition to Blake Lively. So again, in a movie
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that is all about men abusing women, their strategy to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: actually throughout the production and the promotion was to kind
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of do the same thing. And again the stuff is
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: accused of as not like anything extremely severe, but just
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: stuff that, if true would just be a bit gross.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's not okay.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: This is the biggest irony of the whole thing.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Right, It's a movie about domestic violence, and it would
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: seem from this list of demands that there was something
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: amounting to very disturbing sexual abusive stuff going on on
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: the set. That is Hollywood, Like, how many times have
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: we seen this happen? The same people, the same virtue
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: signalists who say, oh, we're on the side of women,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: we stand with women, We're all for the rights of everyone.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: They are then the people hanging around with P Diddy
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: going to parties like mass sexual abuse, exploitation of young women,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: and that is what is accepted in Hollywood. But then
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: to the public they have to be the arbiters of
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: morality and set the standard for everyone. But actually, behind
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: closed doors they are probably the worst offenders. So it
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: doesn't really surprise me. Hollywood is full of a lot
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: of dirty people, and if you speak out against it,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: you get absolutely slammed. Hence that maybe it makes sense
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: why that happened.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: To bray the irony of these guys deciding that they're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: going to get on their moral high horse and make
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars preaching to other people about
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the evils of domestic advants because they've just discovered it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: or where and we all need to be told. And
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: while at the same time this is going on behind that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: But again this is like the stuff that's in here,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the allegations. There are lots of sort of low level
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: but really gross stuff like walking in on her even
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: when you know, when she's topless, not looking away when
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: she asked them to. And so as a result of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: just these guys allegedly be having like just absolute just
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: dirty knob ends, right, she's now got basically a list
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of things that you can it will probably become the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: new Hollywood Award for a film Set, which if you
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sort of applied all those rules or things like them
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to every film set or every workplace, it would pretty
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: quickly become almost unworkable, like a list of things you
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: are and aren't allowed to talk about, or you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: it just seems like there would be plenty of ways
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you could playfully have conversations about sex or whatever it
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is that aren't creepy and gross like it has been there.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: But because these douchebags had to be alleged douchebags had
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to be creepy in gross allegedly then suddenly ruined it
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: for everyone. You know, that's always the one idiot who
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: ruins it for everybody else by going too far.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Well, is this the future of dating? I seriously hope not.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Because a thirty four year old CEO has written an
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: article about his love life and he describes himself as
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a great catch, which is.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Probably the first red flag.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: But he crafted his dream woman online. He now has
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a virtual girlfriend. That's right, a virtual one. He's now
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: dating an AI chat bot. He claims that she's kind, caring, understanding.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Not only that she's optimistic, sensitive, and she's also empathetic.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: She's never angry or confrontational.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I suppose that's the benefit of dating someone who is
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: not human. But this guy has now had the awkward
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: experience of breaking the news to his parents that he
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: is in a committed, loving relationship with an AI bot.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Surprisingly beautiful. Next, he's encouraging others to do the same thing.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: He says chatting to an AI companion saves you money, especially.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Going out on dates. He also speaks to her for an.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Average of five hours a day. Who speaks to anyone
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: for five hours a day?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: This is the actual plot to a movie swing Yoakam
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Phoenix in twenty thirteen called her that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Was the exact same playing out.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: That's why and I was playing out in real life.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And the movie ends. I won't give this. Let's just
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: let's just say that the ai was seeing other people
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: so well, AI it doesn't.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Know, like AI chat, God is cheating on you.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing, like the minute you say, Oh,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: who needs all the you know, who needs all the
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: awkwardness or the inconvenience that comes with a real human being,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So only you lose all the kind of family good
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: stuff that comes with That's right, it's only the good
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: stuff comes with the I don't know, but do you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: think is this something that I don't think this is
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: something that women would ever actually seriously countenance. I think
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: men fantasize about creating the perfect.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I've definitely never fantasized about having an ai oh boyfriend.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: But I think there is something. As much as we
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: might laugh about this, there is something deeply sinister and
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: disturbing at the heart of this story, which is I mean,
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago, we saw a fourteen year
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: old boy kill himself and his mother said it is
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: due to the fact that he was spending inordinate amounts
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: of time talking to his AI girlfriend. And I think
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: this speaks to the deeper issue, which is that a
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: lot of people are simply checking out of reality. They
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: don't want to deal with the anger, with the confrontation,
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: with the compromise that comes with being in a human relationship,
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: so they are simply excluding themselves from the real world.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: And that is so sad.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, I you know, as a conservative Christian, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: never thought I would say this, but the stats show
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: that young people are having less sex than they did
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: in previous generations. And while we might go that's that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: a great thing for purity, it's actually deeply disturbing because
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: they're not having less sex because they don't want to
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: or somehow human biology after thousands of years has changed.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: They're not having sex because they are not going out.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: They're not engaging in the real world. We see a
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: generation of people who would rather stay at home in
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the comfort of their parents' cocoon than be exposed to
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: any potential adverse experience. And it is actually devastating because
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: I see this among my friends, among a lot of
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: young people. Reality life the world all the difficulty that
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: comes with that, but also the joy that is too hard,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: too hard for them to actually confront. So they have
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: to simply step away, and we will lose the human experience.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You are absolutely correct. Get out there, kids and shag
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: behind him. Books.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to go to a brag ofout.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Coming up the internet, Arab, says Donald Trump, buts out
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: his signature dance moves on stage.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome back.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Photos have emerged from Brazil's Amazon rainforest, which shows a
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: glimpse of never before seen indigenous.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Can unities living near the Bolivian border.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: These images show the uncontacted Masaco tribe absolutely thriving. The
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: group reportedly has a population of around two hundred to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: three hundred people, which is more than doubled since the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, and Brazil's nineteen eighty seven no contact policy
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: has been touted as one of the reasons for the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: population's success. Freyer, what do you make of the images.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Ah, they're embracing the Garden of Eden lifestyle.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: And around Christmas time. That's that's great. Yeah, I think
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: good on them.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: It's good to see some strong indigenous populations and still
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: living their indigenous way of life, which is amazing, remarkable.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's like Adelaide before nineteen eighty. It's just uncunning.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So they've been captured by automatic cameras. So because of
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: course you can't because it's very zen and meta, but
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you can't observe something without that changing the thing you're
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: observing because people know they're being watched, so they don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: actually no, I don't think that they've been filmed. Wow.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So that right, which is also kind of weird as well.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: It's like weird of us.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Is that consents we inspiring on them anyway?
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: That's interesting them.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Well, finally, Donald Trump was the key speaker at America
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Fest in Phoenix, and the crowd absolutely erupted when he
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: brought out his signature move, Let's take a look.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: No one is ever getting sick of those moves.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: They're so good. I love how he adds a new
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: variation each time.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It's started as.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: This, and then now he's got a bit of this,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: and we've got to go with what's coming next.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I'm living in.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Suspense as an artist, you know, you got to adapt.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: It's a theme in variations. It's just great. It's just fantastic.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And this is why the left don't get it. This
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is Guy's mister Showby. I think it's.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Amazing, this is joy.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: But he's a seventy eight year old and he's becoming
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: this sensation and an icon for young people. So many
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: people getting around the dance. That is all we have
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: time for on the Late Today. Thank you so much
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: for joining us. Coming up next is the Liberals and
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