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Autistic teen girl missing, LURED from home? Where is ALICIA NAVARRO? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful little teen girl
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Speaker 1: goes missing? Where is Alicia? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?
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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Let's start with our friend Dave Matt
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot Com. Alicia Navarro is fifteen years
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Speaker 1: old and is on the autism spectrum. Her mother, Jessica,
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Speaker 1: says she is shy and anxious in some social situations
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Speaker 1: and isn't fond of being out in public much or
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Speaker 1: for very long. She did, however, like going to McDonald's
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Speaker 1: for chicken McNuggets. Alicia Navarro takes medicine and has a
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Speaker 1: compromised immune system. She also likes to wear the same
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Speaker 1: clothes and the same shoes over and over, which her
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Speaker 1: mother says is because of her autism. For example, she
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Speaker 1: only wore sweatshirts in Arizona despite the harsh heat. In
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Speaker 1: the very early hours of September fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Navarro's
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Speaker 1: mother saw her come down from her room and get
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Speaker 1: a glass of water around one am. She made her
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Speaker 1: way back to her room later that same morning around
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Speaker 1: seven am, Alicia's mother, Jessica, made breakfast for her husband
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Speaker 1: and her two youngest children. Alicia was not up yet.
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Speaker 1: When her mom went to check, Alicia was gone. How
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Speaker 1: can it happen? Just like that? Mom sees Alicia go
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Speaker 1: to the kitchen's sink and get a glass of water
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Speaker 1: around one am. When mom checks on Alicia the next morning,
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Speaker 1: just a few hours later, she's gone again. I'm mean
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Speaker 1: to see Grace. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven with me
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Speaker 1: an all start panel to you down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. Trent Steele, who has been working on
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Speaker 1: this case, President National Director Investigative Operations at the Anti
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Speaker 1: Predator Project at Anti Predator Project dot Org. Jose Santiago,
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Speaker 1: Glendale PD, Communications Manager and you can find them at
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Speaker 1: Glendale as dot com Forward slash Police. Alicia Kozak. We
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Speaker 1: know her well, a survivor who was lured online, was kidnapped,
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Speaker 1: taken far away from her home, assaulted repeatedly, and the
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Speaker 1: night she believes her kidnapper was set to kill her
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Speaker 1: to get rid of evidence, the FBI swoops in and
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Speaker 1: saves her. I'll let you hear her tell her story. Herself,
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Speaker 1: she said. Alicia Kosak withek dot com, doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining me from the Atlanta your instinction, She's
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Speaker 1: at Angela Arnold MD dot com at first, to Sierra
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Speaker 1: Gillespie joining me Crime online dot com investigative reporter, Sierra,
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Speaker 1: let's take it off with our friend Ryan Sims at
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Speaker 1: kat VK, CBS five, Arizona. Listen. Not only are we
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Speaker 1: talking about a girl who depends on family for everyday things,
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Speaker 1: but in the process she missed her own birthday party.
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Speaker 1: We all missed you a lot. I don't know exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened, but I really don't care. I just want
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Speaker 1: you to come back home. Jessica Nouni is. His message
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Speaker 1: is as distressed as it is desperate. Without any warning
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Speaker 1: at all, she says. Her daughter, Alicia Navarro left home
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Speaker 1: last Sunday morning and hasn't been seen or heard from since. Oh,
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Speaker 1: there is no fighting, even though she's artistic. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: have where she wanders or nothing like that. Family say.
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Speaker 1: Alicia left behind a note saying she was sorry for
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Speaker 1: leaving and that she would return on Friday, though her
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Speaker 1: disappearance took on a whole new urgency when Alicia missed
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Speaker 1: her own fifteenth birthday party and the Ant family say
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Speaker 1: they served Elisia's birthday cake to the volunteers searching for her.
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Speaker 1: Gray mother sibling told me, are we going to save
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Speaker 1: a piece for Alicia when she comes back? You know?
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what to say? Do you hear
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Speaker 1: the pain in mom's voice? She missed her own birthday
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Speaker 1: party and instead served the birthday cake to volunteers who
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Speaker 1: were trying to find Alicia. Please help us let me
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Speaker 1: at the get go tell you the tip line six
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Speaker 1: two three nine three zero three thousand, repeat six two
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Speaker 1: three nine three zero three thousand, and Sirah Gillespie Crimeline
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Speaker 1: dot Com, hold us one moment because I want to
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Speaker 1: go first to Alicia Kozak survivor. Alicia, let me give
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Speaker 1: you a rapid fire set of questions. How old were
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Speaker 1: you when you were kidnapped? Eighteen year old? A young teen,
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Speaker 1: just like Alicia. However, Alicia has the added difficulty of
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Speaker 1: being on the autism spectrum. You heard the reporters say
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Speaker 1: that very often she would wear the same clothes all
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Speaker 1: the time, the same shoes all the time. She's very
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Speaker 1: nervous in social settings. She depends on her family for
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Speaker 1: her food, her medication. Alicia Kozak, when you were kidnapped,
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Speaker 1: you had met your kidnapper. You were shy, beautiful, sweet
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Speaker 1: grade grades, but you were a little shy and you
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Speaker 1: met a friend online, a little friend girl right exactly,
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Speaker 1: who turned out to be not a girl at all.
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Speaker 1: And when you were a kidnapped, isn't it true you
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Speaker 1: were lured out of your house? Yes? I was so, guys.
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Speaker 1: I just one of those questions with Alicia, and she's
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Speaker 1: going to tell you her whole story, because you've got
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Speaker 1: to hear this. She's a miracle. Alicia Kosak at Alicia
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Speaker 1: Kosak dot com. So when we're talking about this little
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Speaker 1: team girl, Alicia Navarro who's now missing, I think she
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Speaker 1: was lured out of her home. This little girl is
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Speaker 1: not equipped to be even out of the house to
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Speaker 1: go to a mall on her own. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: can send my twins, John David, Alicia. I sent them together,
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Speaker 1: send them into the grocery store the other night, and
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Speaker 1: I waited in they don't park here fire lane, so
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Speaker 1: I could spy on them to make sure they were okay.
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Speaker 1: They were fine. They got some You know, very hard
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Speaker 1: to find tea my daughter wanted, and then they came out.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, This little girl, Alicia Navarro can't she
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Speaker 1: can't even do that, Sarah Gillespie. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: are acting like they don't care because they think she
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Speaker 1: left on her own. That's not what happened. I think
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Speaker 1: this girl was lured out online. She has no idea
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Speaker 1: what's outside her home. She's autistic, Sierra, tell me what happened? Yeah, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So some people think she ran away because she did
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Speaker 1: leave a letter. We've actually seen the letter. It's been
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Speaker 1: broadcast all over. It's kind of been sloppy handwriting. But again,
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Speaker 1: when she left, she was only fourteen, and the letter says, quote,
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Speaker 1: I ran away. I will be back. I swear. I'm sorry, hedo, Sierra.
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Speaker 1: Let me just get the facts out there. Had she
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Speaker 1: ever left the home before? No, not at all. From
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Speaker 1: is very strict about that. Never to Trent Still joining me, President,
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Speaker 1: National Director of Investigative Operations at Anti Predator Project dot Org.
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Speaker 1: Trent Still, you are intimately familiar with this case. This
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Speaker 1: little girl, I mean, she's still wearing braces on her teeth.
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Speaker 1: She's never had a date, she's never even gone to
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Speaker 1: the mall or walked around a department store herself. This
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Speaker 1: little girl has a lot of emotional issues. She is artistic, Trent.
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Speaker 1: This child had never ever run away in her life.
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Speaker 1: She was happy at home. There were no problems. You know.
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Speaker 1: The other night, Trent, the church asked the twins to
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Speaker 1: play the Castanettes, or as I call them, the Canastas
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Speaker 1: the Castanettes, in some kind of a video they're doing
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Speaker 1: for the youth. And I went, sure, Well, let me
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Speaker 1: tell you. When I got home, Lucy was all over
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Speaker 1: me because she wanted to say yes or no on
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Speaker 1: her own, and I respect that. We were up all
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Speaker 1: night till midnight, Trent talking about her ability to make
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Speaker 1: choices for herself. So, you know, my daughter or son
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Speaker 1: have never run away, but if she had had some
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Speaker 1: kind of reaction to that, which was all my fault,
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Speaker 1: and I admitted, and I learned a lot from that, Trent.
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Speaker 1: There was nothing even like that with Alicia before she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Was there nothing, no problem, no argument, nothing, no, no.
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Speaker 1: We've we've spoken with mom at length about this and
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Speaker 1: there were no problems. In fact, from what we understand,
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Speaker 1: Elsie and her mom had a fantastic relationship. They got
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Speaker 1: along well, you know, without disclosing a whole lot about
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Speaker 1: the investigation, obviously, because it's sill an ongoing case and
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Speaker 1: we don't want to tip our hands to what we've
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Speaker 1: got or you know, step on anything that GLENDEEPD is doing.
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Speaker 1: But I would say that your assessment of her being
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Speaker 1: lured out of the house is pretty accurate based on
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Speaker 1: what we know. We think that she left the house
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Speaker 1: voluntarily to go meet somebody that she thought she knew
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Speaker 1: or thought she had met online, and once she got there,
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Speaker 1: she found herself in a situation that she never expected.
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Speaker 1: This little girl is being raped right now and sex
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Speaker 1: abused if she's still alive. Time Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 1: Guys we hear at Fox Nation and Serious X one
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Speaker 1: eleven Crime Stories. We are dedicated to helping bring children home.
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Speaker 1: There is a chance we can help bring Alicia Navarro
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Speaker 1: home alive. Before I go to Josey Santiago, who has
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Speaker 1: kindly joined us from the Glendale Police Department, Alicia Kozack
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Speaker 1: survivor who went through this same thing at age thirteen,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes I notice when she tells her story, she
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Speaker 1: glosses over the rapes and the sex assaults, and I think,
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Speaker 1: dodtor Angela Arnold, it's because it's so painful to remember.
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Speaker 1: But to you, Alicia, when people keep saying she left voluntarily,
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Speaker 1: I hear what they're saying. But when you're lured out
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Speaker 1: of your home as a little girl, I don't call
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Speaker 1: that voluntary. Because children, even under the law, can't buy
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Speaker 1: a car, they can't buy a home, they can't enter
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Speaker 1: into a working agreement or buy alcohol or cigarettes because
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Speaker 1: they're miners. They don't have the ability to understand what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. So when you're lured out of your home
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Speaker 1: the way I think, Alicia, this little girl with autism
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Speaker 1: who can't even pick out different clothes in the morning
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Speaker 1: to wear, so she wears the same thing every day.
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Speaker 1: Alicia Kosack, I don't think that that's of your own
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Speaker 1: free will. How did you get lured out of your home?
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Speaker 1: Alicia Kosak dot com. Well, children are low risk, assessment,
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Speaker 1: high impulse, and don't always think things through. What you said,
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Speaker 1: children are low risk, assessment, high and pulse. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: completely agree with that. I had to thank for what
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Speaker 1: you were saying. Go ahead, dear, yes, And so they
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Speaker 1: don't always think through every decision that they make, and
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Speaker 1: so for me, I would thirteen, I was online. I
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Speaker 1: was a really shy child. I didn't feel unpopular, but
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Speaker 1: I still didn't feel like anybody got me, anybody understood me,
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Speaker 1: and that's very natural. And then somebody was online who
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Speaker 1: pretended to be my friend and be into everything that
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Speaker 1: I was into and to make me feel special and
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Speaker 1: important and beautiful and unique in a time when it's
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Speaker 1: really hard to feel any of those things. And with Alicia,
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Speaker 1: which is its triggering to hear the way it's a relationship.
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Speaker 1: There's just so much here that lines up, including the
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Speaker 1: little girl's name. But what my mind jumps to is
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Speaker 1: the fact that this was her birthday month. Could this
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Speaker 1: have had something to do with that? Could this have
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Speaker 1: been somebody luring her out as a birthday surprise? That's
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Speaker 1: truly insist vulnerability. Okay, that's a really good question. Using
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Speaker 1: her birthday is a lure in your case, tell us
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Speaker 1: about Alicia Kosa, how you were lord out of your
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Speaker 1: home and what took place. This person online groomed me
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Speaker 1: for a period of nine months, and grooming is just
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Speaker 1: pretending to be a child's friend and making them feel
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Speaker 1: all those things that I said, that it's really difficult
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Speaker 1: to be a kid. Kids don't ever feel like they're
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Speaker 1: really enough. They can be surrounded by all the love
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Speaker 1: in the world and still feel different, still feel out
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Speaker 1: of place, and that's really normal. And this person made
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Speaker 1: me feel normal. And I did not know the dangers
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Speaker 1: of the internet because before anybody was talking about that.
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Speaker 1: And one of my vulnerabilities as well was that I
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Speaker 1: lived in a safe little bubble. My parents raised me
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Speaker 1: in a world that was beautiful and loving and not dangerous,
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Speaker 1: and so I wasn't aware. I knew that danger happened
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Speaker 1: and horrible things happened, but that happened elsewhere to other people.
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Speaker 1: And on New Year's Day two thousand and two, I
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Speaker 1: agreed to meet this person. And I think about Alicia
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Speaker 1: getting up, having a glass of water, her parents seeing her,
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Speaker 1: and I'm seeing her this being this very normal situation,
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Speaker 1: although it's real late night, it reminds me of my
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Speaker 1: own story in that between dinner and dessert, I vanished,
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Speaker 1: and I think about my parents and that what you
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Speaker 1: just said, between dinner and dessert, I vanished. What happened.
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Speaker 1: I walked outside of my house to meet somebody who
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Speaker 1: I thought was my friend, and he kidnapped me, and
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Speaker 1: he took me from Pittsurg, Pennsylvania, to Virginia and held
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Speaker 1: me taptive in his basement dungeon, and I do. I
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Speaker 1: don't go into the details for for many reasons, but
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Speaker 1: one being that it is so so hard to talk about.
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Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not easy by any names. Even
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Speaker 1: though it's been all these years, it's still very difficult
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Speaker 1: to talk about. And still, for the lack of a
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Speaker 1: better term, triggering, what children suffer is horrendous. And I
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Speaker 1: appreciated your tears when you were crying for her, because
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Speaker 1: it is likely that she had suffered something so terrible.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just so grateful that we were talking about
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Speaker 1: this case. Hold On, Guys, from the outside looking in
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Speaker 1: at Alicia Kovac, who were talking to you right now,
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Speaker 1: you would think, Wow, she's got it all right. She's young,
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Speaker 1: she's beautiful, she's smart, she's articulate. She goes every day
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Speaker 1: of her life with the burden of what she lived through,
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Speaker 1: and it's turned that around to try to help other people.
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Speaker 1: At thirteen, she was kidnapped, taken from her own home
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Speaker 1: from a family meal. She was held with a choke collar,
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Speaker 1: she was assaulted over and over. She was convinced that
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Speaker 1: not the FBI miraculously saved her, that she was going
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Speaker 1: to be killed. Alicia, Why in your heart did you
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Speaker 1: know that that not your kidnapper, Scott Tyree was going
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Speaker 1: to kill you. I knew early on that he didn't
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Speaker 1: have any other option than to get rid of me
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Speaker 1: at some point, so I focused on the only power
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Speaker 1: that I had was trying to stay alive as long
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Speaker 1: as possible and to get him to see me. My
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Speaker 1: mind jumped into some sort of something instinctual, and it said,
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Speaker 1: he sees he was an object and an object that
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Speaker 1: he wants to hurt and torture. They can see you
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Speaker 1: as a human. And so I did whatever I had
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Speaker 1: you just to survive and try to it makes my
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Speaker 1: son of Karen to save this word, but connect with
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Speaker 1: him in whatever way that I could. And on that
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Speaker 1: day he said, I'm beginning to like you too much.
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Speaker 1: Tonight we're going to go for a ride. And I
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Speaker 1: knew at that point that that was not even availed thread.
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Speaker 1: It was very clearly a threat and that he was
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Speaker 1: going to kill me. That what I had been doing
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Speaker 1: to try to humanize myself was working too well, and
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Speaker 1: he was becoming attached. So he was going to have
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Speaker 1: to end my life sooner. All this happened to Alicia
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Speaker 1: Kozac at age thirteen, the age of my twins. They're
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Speaker 1: turning thirteen in November. Think of your own child, this
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Speaker 1: little girl who not only is a young teen, she's autistic,
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Speaker 1: and I believe she's been lured out of her home
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Speaker 1: joining me, Jose, Santiago Glendale, PD. Jose, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell us about the search for Alicia Navarro? Why do
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Speaker 1: you believe or do you believe she was lured out
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Speaker 1: of her home? I can tell you that we are
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Speaker 1: looking into all the possibilities here. We have been following
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Speaker 1: up with every lead that's been coming in. We've had
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Speaker 1: a couple of people say that they expotted her in
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Speaker 1: various places, but unfortunately those leads did not turn up Alicia. Um,
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Speaker 1: we know that that night that she disappeared, we could
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Speaker 1: see footprints leading to a specific area in the yard.
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Speaker 1: Alicia did go over the fenced. On Hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 1: you're you're cutting out on me, I say, Santiago Glendelle, PD.
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Speaker 1: So you think, how could I'm not even going to
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Speaker 1: question how you saw the footprints, but you saw footprints
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Speaker 1: leading from a front door back door, which one from
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Speaker 1: the back door to the officers did see those footprints.
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Speaker 1: They were pointed out by Alicia's parents, and uh, this
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Speaker 1: is something that just this child just saw the other
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Speaker 1: side of the fence. There was some debris that appeared
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Speaker 1: that she went over on that side. I think she
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Speaker 1: met somebody. I think she met somebody because this girl
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Trent, because I want to
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Speaker 1: have the correct facts and I don't want the facts
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Speaker 1: to blur together for me. Jose Santiago, GLENDELPD, Excuse me, Jose,
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Speaker 1: you say that you think went over the fence. But
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Speaker 1: this little girl had never run away, had never discussed
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Speaker 1: running away. There was no argument that Night Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys were talking about a young teen
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Speaker 1: girl on the autism spectrum. She's missing, Help us find
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Speaker 1: her tipline six two three nine three zero three thousand. So,
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Speaker 1: Jose Santiago, what if any clothes were found on the
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Speaker 1: other side of the fence. There was just a breathe there.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't much to go on in that particular area.
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Speaker 1: Something that we want to make note of is that
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Speaker 1: when she disappeared, she did have her cell phone and
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Speaker 1: she did have her laptop with her. Those devices have
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Speaker 1: not been used since she left the home. So this
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Speaker 1: case really is a mystery because of the fact that
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Speaker 1: there's just no trace of her anywhere. We've spoken to
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Speaker 1: her friends, we've spoken to people that were close to her,
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Speaker 1: which was a very limited group, and no one seems
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Speaker 1: to have any idea where she may have gone to
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Speaker 1: that evening to Trent Still, President, National Director Investigative Operations,
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Speaker 1: Anti Predator Project dot Org, Trent, that makes me believe
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Speaker 1: even more so that someone lured her and was waiting
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Speaker 1: for her on the other side of the fence, because
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Speaker 1: if she had gone on her own, you could at
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Speaker 1: least paying or track her cell phone right or she
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Speaker 1: would have made one call or one text or something
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Speaker 1: correct left to her own devices. Go ahead, correct. I
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Speaker 1: would tend to agree with that assessment, you know, I
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Speaker 1: would say glende LLPDS is correct and following you know,
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Speaker 1: every lead that they get in and every scenario, because
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Speaker 1: as of now we don't have something that points directly
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Speaker 1: to this scenario. This is exactly what happened this is
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Speaker 1: exactly where she went. We can just say on our
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Speaker 1: end from our investigation that we've conducted that we feel
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Speaker 1: comfortable saying on our end that we believe she met
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Speaker 1: somebody online. We believe that this online relationship, because of
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Speaker 1: her aunt's situation, was a long term, saying this was
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Speaker 1: not something that happened, you know, within two weeks or
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Speaker 1: even six months of her going missing. We believe she
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Speaker 1: had been corresponding with this particular individual for quite a while.
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Speaker 1: She left that night to go meet this individual whom
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Speaker 1: she had built up some sort of trust width, and
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Speaker 1: that's when things went out. Question do you has Santiago GLENDELPD,
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Speaker 1: Are there any home secure any surveillance cameras that could
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Speaker 1: be glean to see where she went or who she met?
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Speaker 1: Are there any tolls that have cameras? For instance, when
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Speaker 1: Alicia Kozak went missing? Alicia, isn't it true that you
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Speaker 1: went through a toll booth with your kidnapper? Several of them?
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Speaker 1: And what happened when you would go through a toll?
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Speaker 1: What would go on in your mind? And each told
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Speaker 1: booth I would get a glimmer of hope. At the
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Speaker 1: very first one, I thought that that was the moment
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Speaker 1: that I would be rescued, that I would speak up,
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Speaker 1: that the first and in the toll booth would ask
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Speaker 1: you something, would notice me crying, would report something, and
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Speaker 1: didn't suck. No fault of their own, they weren't expecting
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Speaker 1: this to be happening, but that there's so much hope
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Speaker 1: that a child is holding onto in a situation like this,
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Speaker 1: and then it can so easily be cut out, and
22:54
Speaker 1: you search for those little bits of hope. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Linda Williams at Fox ten. Her
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Speaker 1: mother describes her daughter Alicia as a simple girl. She
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Speaker 1: attends Borgate High School, doesn't even wear makeup, and has
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Speaker 1: a very small group of friends. But she's been missing
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Speaker 1: almost three full days now and the family is sick
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Speaker 1: with worry. Everybody isn't shocked because you know, she's so vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: She can't even go outside. She's receiving therapy just to
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Speaker 1: go outside somewhere. Despite dealing with many anxiety issues. Early
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Speaker 1: Sunday morning, fourteen year old Alicia Navarro left her home
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Speaker 1: near forty fifth Avenue in Bethany Home Road. She left
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Speaker 1: this note for her family. I ran away. We'll be back.
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Speaker 1: I swear I'm sorry. Alicia Luniez says she fears her
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Speaker 1: daughter is somehow involved with or was drawn away by
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Speaker 1: someone online. I want my daughter back. Please bring her
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Speaker 1: safe and sound. That's all I'm asking from. You know,
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Speaker 1: she's she needs her help. Don't take about and she's
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Speaker 1: so vulnerable. Please just fring her back. You're hearing Elisia's
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Speaker 1: mom begging for her return, joining me renowned psychiatrists out
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: md dot com. Doctor Angela, What does it mean to
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Speaker 1: be under the spectrum or on the spectrum when when
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Speaker 1: someone is diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder? This is this
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Speaker 1: is a disorder which which is it's got? People can
24:38
Speaker 1: have many different uh levels of this disorder. Okay. It
24:43
Speaker 1: impacts the nervous system. There is a range and severity
24:48
Speaker 1: of systems of symptoms, excuse me, that can vary widely.
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Speaker 1: Common symptoms include difficulty with communication, difficulty with social interactions.
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Speaker 1: Oftentimes they will of obsessive interest and they will exhibit
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Speaker 1: repetitive behaviors about and also just let you know, Autism
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Speaker 1: affects one and fifty four children in the United States today.
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Speaker 1: So when you hear doctor Angela Arnold that she will
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Speaker 1: wear the same clothes over and over and over, needs
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Speaker 1: help just to bring herself to leave the home to
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Speaker 1: function normally, what does that mean to you regarding her condition, Well,
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Speaker 1: what it means to me is she's she's got a
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Speaker 1: high level of autism, and she is a very anxious person.
25:40
Speaker 1: So she needs everything around her to always be the same. Okay,
25:46
Speaker 1: she's so anxious, Nancy, that the feeling of the clothing
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Speaker 1: on her it bothers her. Okay, that's why she wears
25:54
Speaker 1: the same thing over again. It can actually be because
25:57
Speaker 1: of the way that clothing feels on her. I just
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Speaker 1: don't see a child like this who has never left
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Speaker 1: home before, never even discussed leaving home before, seemed perfectly happy.
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Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to believe this little girl
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Speaker 1: could devise a plan to leave her home in the
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Speaker 1: dark forever. I don't believe that, Doctor Angela, Well, oh
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Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't think she devised a plan
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Speaker 1: at all. I'm quite sure that someone worked on her
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Speaker 1: and lured her out of the home, maybe to her backyard.
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Speaker 1: But I do not believe that she had any any
26:38
Speaker 1: part in devising a plan to Sierra Gillespie Crimalline dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Earlier, we heard Jose Santiago mentioned there
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Speaker 1: had been sightings of her that did not pan out.
26:53
Speaker 1: What can you tell me about those sightings? So, Nancy,
26:56
Speaker 1: there were a couple of different people who came forward
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Speaker 1: to police and said that they saw her somewhere in
27:03
Speaker 1: the Glendale area, kind of near her home, but not
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Speaker 1: super close. There were two supper incidences, but I saw
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Speaker 1: people said that they saw Alicia walking hand in hand
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Speaker 1: with an older man, which could be a suspect in
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Speaker 1: this case. But again, those we kind of dried up
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly too. Jose Santiago, Glendelle PD. Jose, you heard
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Speaker 1: Trent Steel state that he, as part of his own
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Speaker 1: investigation with the Anti Predator Project, firmly believes she was
27:36
Speaker 1: lured from the home and that it was a cultivated
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Speaker 1: relationship that someone had sparked with this little girl online.
27:49
Speaker 1: Is there a way that you could capture her texts?
27:53
Speaker 1: Are they in the eye cloud? Is there any way
27:57
Speaker 1: to was her phone pay? I mean, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about that avenue? The forensic avenue of her phone.
28:05
Speaker 1: What I can tell you is that once again, her
28:07
Speaker 1: cell phone and her laptop have not turned on since
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Speaker 1: the night because she disappeared from her home. That said,
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Speaker 1: we are in the process of working with different apps,
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Speaker 1: different social media sites to access as much information as
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Speaker 1: possible to see who indeed she was communicating with days, weeks,
28:28
Speaker 1: months prior to her disappearance. You know, it's important for
28:31
Speaker 1: people to know that we are exhausting every means possible
28:35
Speaker 1: because we want the best result possible for this family.
28:38
Speaker 1: We know how difficult this is. We're getting close to
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Speaker 1: the one year mark, and Jessica, her mom, has been
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Speaker 1: over the top with this as far as her support
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Speaker 1: and cooperating with our officers in every way, shape or form.
28:54
Speaker 1: We want what's best for this family. We want to
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Speaker 1: find Alicia, says Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a gorgeous little girl missing from her own home,
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Speaker 1: Alicia Navarro. Take a listen to our friend Ryan Simmons
29:26
Speaker 1: at KTVK CBS five Families say Alicia is not only autistic,
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Speaker 1: but struggles to feed herself. Day six of her missing
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Speaker 1: means day six without the things she needs to get by.
29:39
Speaker 1: It hits me a lot, knowing that she's out there
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Speaker 1: and now receiving the services her medication. Across Glendale, missing
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Speaker 1: posters of Alicia plastered on the doors of businesses. Families
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Speaker 1: hope even the slightest minor of tips will help bring
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Speaker 1: Alicia home. Just get the word out there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's somewhere out there, my little girl, somewhere out there
30:05
Speaker 1: at no Alicia's family say they believe she was coaxed
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Speaker 1: to leave her home by someone else. Police have not
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Speaker 1: commented or confirmed that yet. Joining me a special guest,
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Speaker 1: Alicia Kozak, you can find her at Alicia Kosak dot com,
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Speaker 1: who was lured from her home with her family there.
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Speaker 1: As she just said, between dinner and dessert at a
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Speaker 1: holiday meal, she vanished. She was gone for a long time,
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Speaker 1: held by her kidnapper. Alicia Kosak, thank you for sharing
30:36
Speaker 1: with us. What do you advise from your point of
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Speaker 1: view having lived through this, for police and investigators to
30:46
Speaker 1: do well. Alicia was heavily involved in gaming, and gaming
30:51
Speaker 1: is a very It's an easy way to lord children
30:55
Speaker 1: because you are playing a game with them, you are
30:58
Speaker 1: already being a friend with that. So it's really important
31:01
Speaker 1: to not only check those different apps, but to look
31:05
Speaker 1: into the gaming platforms as well as the gaming forums,
31:11
Speaker 1: so to hop on to discord and to stream and
31:14
Speaker 1: to see who she was playing those games with, as
31:19
Speaker 1: well as I keep stop them to have a fair
31:21
Speaker 1: gaming convention at the time that this person could have said, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I there's a gaming convention in counter or stayed over
31:28
Speaker 1: or wherever would you like to go. It's a birthday surprise.
31:32
Speaker 1: You'll be home before whatever date, your parents won't even
31:35
Speaker 1: know you're missing whatever. So that there's very, very clear
31:41
Speaker 1: ways that she could have been bloored here. There's so
31:44
Speaker 1: many vulnerabilities, and that's what a predator is seeking to do.
31:47
Speaker 1: They are looking for those vulnerabilities in order to exploit them.
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Speaker 1: And Alicia had them so clearly an upfront that it
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Speaker 1: would not be a difficult task to get to this
32:01
Speaker 1: child to do what you wanted her to do, and
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Speaker 1: to think that it was a good choice for her,
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Speaker 1: that it was fun, that it was something that would
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Speaker 1: bring about a good outcome for her, when in reality
32:16
Speaker 1: she is now still missing a almost a year. Leader
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Speaker 1: Trent still with a president, National Director Investigative Operations Anti
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Speaker 1: Predator Project dot Org. Trent, you heard Alicia Kozak state
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Speaker 1: that Alicia Navarro was a gamer, she loved to play
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Speaker 1: games online. What games did she play? Trent, Well, we
32:41
Speaker 1: are aware that she was a gamer, and because the
32:43
Speaker 1: games that she was playing are heavily involved in our investigation.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I lend lpd's looking at
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Speaker 1: them or not. I'm not going to disclose specifically what
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Speaker 1: games and what gaming platforms we're looking at. All I
32:57
Speaker 1: can do is confirm that they we are aware that
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Speaker 1: and we are looking okay as they Santiago, do you
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Speaker 1: know the game so I can warn other parents about
33:06
Speaker 1: it that she was playing? Do you know? In unison
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Speaker 1: with Trent, we are keeping that information just because it
33:13
Speaker 1: would hinder the investigation, and so we are just looking
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Speaker 1: into everything that we could find on not only her phone,
33:19
Speaker 1: but as well as her laptop as well. Alicia. Because
33:23
Speaker 1: that you stated that Alicia Navarro play games like my
33:27
Speaker 1: son does. What games are you referring to, Alicia? Well,
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Speaker 1: any in all games can be a risk. Any game
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Speaker 1: that has any connection to anybody can be a risk.
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Speaker 1: And there are so many that children play. It's not
33:40
Speaker 1: a specific game, it is one. It's usually one that
33:44
Speaker 1: is popular because that's where the kids are, so that's
33:47
Speaker 1: where the predators are seeking children. But what is interesting
33:52
Speaker 1: is that when it comes to gaming, it's likely that
33:55
Speaker 1: she was also playing with other people as well. So
33:59
Speaker 1: there is hopefully a wealth of knowledge that law enforcement
34:03
Speaker 1: is looking into, and that's really great. But it is
34:06
Speaker 1: so important to be careful on all of these games,
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Speaker 1: to talk to your children about the fact that they
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Speaker 1: may be playing with somebody who isn't who they say
34:16
Speaker 1: they are, and that it is such an easy way
34:19
Speaker 1: to think. I said, to groom a child and just
34:23
Speaker 1: to pretend to be that friend and to spend time
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Speaker 1: with them in a way that they feel safe and
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Speaker 1: comfortable and they're having fun. Grooming feels good, and grooming
34:35
Speaker 1: feels fun in the beginning because this child is getting
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Speaker 1: what they feel that they need or that they're graving.
34:42
Speaker 1: I know, Lucy's not anti gaming, but John David plays
34:46
Speaker 1: and I hear as friends all talking. They talk about
34:49
Speaker 1: one of them plays Zelda, one of them plays Fortnite,
34:52
Speaker 1: one of them plays Roadblocks, Minecraft, all sorts of games,
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Speaker 1: and I go in and out of the room all
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Speaker 1: the time when he's playing one of one of the
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Speaker 1: games and say, who are you playing with? And I
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Speaker 1: know who they're playing with? Who's playing with? Because he
35:12
Speaker 1: is only allowed to play with people he knows in
35:16
Speaker 1: real life, like at school. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Jamie Warren at kay in x v ABC. Fifteen
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Speaker 1: Friday was Alicia Navarro's fifteenth birthday, but Alicia wasn't at
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Speaker 1: her own party. I'm happy through many tears, her mom,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Nunyez, sinks to her when she comes back, because
35:42
Speaker 1: I have faith she's going to come back. She both
35:45
Speaker 1: see how much she was loved and miffed. Nunez spending
35:50
Speaker 1: the past week taping up flyers searching for her daughter,
35:54
Speaker 1: who she says has autism and relies on medication and
35:58
Speaker 1: the help of her family. She doesn't know how to
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Speaker 1: be here by herself. Does that make say she doesn't
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Speaker 1: know how to take a bus, But Nunia says when
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Speaker 1: she woke up on September fifteenth, Alicia was nowhere to
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Speaker 1: be found. She says she left behind a note that
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Speaker 1: read I ran away, I will be back. I swear
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Nunia says the two never had a fight
36:20
Speaker 1: and Alicia never mentioned she was unhappy. It was It's
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Speaker 1: just out of character for her. You know, I always say,
36:28
Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at the track record.
36:31
Speaker 1: This child had never even gone missing at the mall before,
36:34
Speaker 1: much less run away. You know, I'm very curious about
36:38
Speaker 1: the medication to doctor Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold md
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Speaker 1: dot com. What type of medication would someone be on
36:47
Speaker 1: for autism? You know, I don't think she was on
36:51
Speaker 1: medication specifically for her autism. She may have been on
36:55
Speaker 1: some medication for her anxiety. There are a lot of
36:58
Speaker 1: there are other things that she could have been on
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Speaker 1: medication for, but there aren't really medications that you specifically.
37:05
Speaker 1: You know, autism is a spectrum of disorders, okay, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So when you are treating a spectrum of disorders, you
37:13
Speaker 1: treat different symptoms that people are having in the disorder,
37:17
Speaker 1: and people have different symptoms, okay. And so her medication,
37:22
Speaker 1: I am quite sure was to treat one or another
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Speaker 1: of the symptoms that she was having that was under
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Speaker 1: her disorder of autism. But there's no medicine that we
37:32
Speaker 1: give people that we say, oh, this will treat your autism,
37:35
Speaker 1: right right, Okay, I understand. Listen to William Pitts KP.
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Speaker 1: N X twelve. Fifteen year old Elsia Navarro when missing
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Speaker 1: in September without a trace. She left a note telling
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Speaker 1: her mom she was leaving, but she would be back.
37:49
Speaker 1: Elsia is on the autism spectrum, takes medication, doesn't do
37:52
Speaker 1: well in social situations. Her mom says, Alicia could not
37:55
Speaker 1: would not just disappear on her own. That was three
37:59
Speaker 1: months ago. My mind would I would think that it
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Speaker 1: would take this long. She you know, has swore to
38:06
Speaker 1: me and she was going to come back. In those
38:07
Speaker 1: three months, Alsie's mother has had little updates. A few
38:10
Speaker 1: possible sightings didn't pan out. She handed out flyers and
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Speaker 1: parking lots, anything to get people to look for Alicia. Today,
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Speaker 1: a quiet house on Christmas, Elsie's young siblings playing in
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Speaker 1: the next room, not really knowing what happened to their sister.
38:24
Speaker 1: They just think she's lost and hopefully she'll find her
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Speaker 1: way back home. Elsie's mom has her own ideas about
38:30
Speaker 1: what could have happened. Alicia ran away, she met someone
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Speaker 1: on the internet. All the fears a parent can have,
38:35
Speaker 1: and on a day that's supposed to be about family,
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Speaker 1: this family isn't whole. She could be anywhere in my heart.
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Speaker 1: I want to believe that she's okay. I'm never going
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