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Ep. 56 : The White Sox Are Who We Thought They Were · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode fifty six of Cards
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  Speaker 1: and Categories. I'm Mike Coolard from rasball dot Com, joined
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  Speaker 1: as always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer, also
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  Speaker 1: from Rasball. How are you doing tonight, buddy?
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  Speaker 2: Just fine. I'm like Jordan Walsher facing Righty's not really
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  Speaker 2: here yet unless Ali Marvel lets me play, But otherwise
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  Speaker 2: I'm here ready to go, as long as it's only
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  Speaker 2: against lefties.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when your team struggling and you're falling
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  Speaker 1: all the way back to five hundred, obviously you got
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  Speaker 1: to stick with that plan, right and keep Walker out
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  Speaker 1: of the lineup.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only logical thing. It's it's literally a moral support, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm here for. Moral support tonight. This
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  Speaker 2: is all on you unless you need me on the punch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trusting this is gonna go fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Well maybe yeah, that can light a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a fire underneath them. As we're recording this on August fourteenth,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, our tradition of kind of a huge piece
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  Speaker 1: of MLB news dropping right after we record the pod
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  Speaker 1: kept up last week as we missed the entire news
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  Speaker 1: cycle on the Chicago White Sox firing Pedro Griffall. He
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  Speaker 1: was fired the morning after we recorded our pod last week.
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  Speaker 1: So this thing dropped and then Paedri Griffall dropped off
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  Speaker 1: the grid with it. So with that they cleaned house.
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Montoya also left and they put in Grady Sizemore
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  Speaker 1: as the manager up in Chicago, well down in Chicago
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  Speaker 1: for me, up for you, and so they are going
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  Speaker 1: to roll with Sizemore for the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Who I mean, the White Sox Twitter is getting a
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  Speaker 1: little thirsty over him. It's very intense out there, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, certainly an upgrade going from Griffall to Sizemore
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  Speaker 1: on our TVs out there. But this does really put
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  Speaker 1: the act into like the I mean maybe even just
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  Speaker 1: like the first nail of the coffin for the White
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  Speaker 1: Sox season as they I do think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do this. I think that they're going to break the
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  Speaker 1: single season record for losses beating out the sixty two Mets,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, I've got I've got some fun stuff up
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  Speaker 1: on Baseball Reference to talk about here, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to get your reaction first on what this means for
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  Speaker 1: the White sox and your thoughts over're all on the
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  Speaker 1: Patrogrif fall firing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is like the one of those
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  Speaker 2: firings is like is the biggest non news there is,
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  Speaker 2: Like it was it was more of a question of
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  Speaker 2: when was the timing, when was it gonna happen because
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  Speaker 2: you had to have a fall guy. So I actually
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  Speaker 2: was a little surprised that it happened at this point
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  Speaker 2: because they still are dreadful. So do you want to
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  Speaker 2: set somebody else up for failure? We'll see what size
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  Speaker 2: more more does. I do think this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those that if there's a chance of some excitement of
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  Speaker 2: bringing some young guys up trying and again the system's
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  Speaker 2: not that strong, so let's be clear, there's not like
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  Speaker 2: a lot to bring up here, but like trying to
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  Speaker 2: infuse a different attitude into the team, Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the hope. And you know, I think I
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  Speaker 2: sense size more and I'm not an expert here by
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  Speaker 2: since Sizemore is more of a player's coach than a
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  Speaker 2: like grifall ever was, and so I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: you know, being being a player that's been there and
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  Speaker 2: knows what's going on. I think that's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: good good news for them. So we'll we'll see what
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  Speaker 2: what really takes place. But I'm gonna go out on
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  Speaker 2: a lemon and say, I don't know that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to break that that record. This might be just enough
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  Speaker 2: to shake them, shake them loose, but it's going to
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  Speaker 2: take some special work from size more and the motivational
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  Speaker 2: uh column the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's not starting off great. He's one
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  Speaker 1: and four and I'm pretty sure they're losing right now.
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  Speaker 1: Let me check it. As we are speaking, they are
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  Speaker 1: tied right now with the Yankees one to one. Loon
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  Speaker 1: Soto hit his fourth homer in two days, so it's
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  Speaker 1: been a great series for him. But yeah, the White
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  Speaker 1: Sox as we're speaking, are up to a record of
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's a palindrome. It's a twenty nine to ninety two.
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  Speaker 2: And that is say what one one in four is
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  Speaker 2: actually like right on at targets.
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  Speaker 1: It's I mean, if if he stays at two fifty,
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  Speaker 1: I think they won't make it like, they won't make
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  Speaker 1: the like clear the bar of the sixty two mets
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  Speaker 1: that they will have the most losses. And I mean Frankly,
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  Speaker 1: this team is awful, like they should because I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at Baseball Reference and I'm not always like the
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  Speaker 1: biggest fan of the Baseball Reference war over Fangrass War.
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  Speaker 1: But as a team, they've put up collectively three point
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  Speaker 1: eight war. Uh so that and of that three point
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  Speaker 1: eight war, four point nine of it was Eric Fetty.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody else on the team has collectively been negative.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little fits. I think it's. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not because like the number of like negative guys
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  Speaker 1: that they moved at the deadline and positive guys they
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  Speaker 1: moved at the deadline, there were more negative guys. So
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  Speaker 1: they actually lost war. Yeah, they lost war when Fetti
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  Speaker 1: went out the door. But overall, you can just understand
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  Speaker 1: with Fetti being such a huge chunk actually has more
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  Speaker 1: war than the entire team. That shows how terrible everybody's
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  Speaker 1: been to get those negative offsets, I mean, so awful. Look,
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  Speaker 1: if you're on the Baseball Reference page, Nixon Zel played
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  Speaker 1: nine I guess let's see, it was nine games in
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  Speaker 1: the field, but let me see how many actual full
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  Speaker 1: games he played. Now it's just total nine games. Guess
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  Speaker 1: what Nixonzel's war over those nine games with the Chicago
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  Speaker 1: White Sox.
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  Speaker 2: Was I it's gotta be like a half war or
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, negative point six in nine games, that's and it
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  Speaker 1: isn't that it possible? Yeah? He did it now in Baseball
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  Speaker 1: Reference four and yeah, when you hit one, eleven, three, eight,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'll do that the It's also really hilarious
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  Speaker 1: because on when you go to like the team page
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  Speaker 1: on Baseball Reference, you get the top twelve players. Eric
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  Speaker 1: Fetti is still number one in the War. Juan Wankatta,
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  Speaker 1: who hasn't played since like the second week of the season,
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  Speaker 1: I think, is currently ninth, still with point four. Let
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  Speaker 1: me see when he last played. Yeah, he's last played
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  Speaker 1: on April ninth, So he's just been hanging out. And
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  Speaker 1: he was gonna finish with a top ten war season,
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  Speaker 1: probably for this White Sox team, because he put up
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  Speaker 1: some decent numbers and then blew out his uh all
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  Speaker 1: his muscles I'm not even sure what's muscles is hurt
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  Speaker 1: is right now on jan Mancatta. But I've also been
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  Speaker 1: seeing lots of just pieces in terms of like how
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  Speaker 1: did people miss so badly on this team. There's a
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  Speaker 1: great piece that went up today from Patrick Dubuke at
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  Speaker 1: Baseball Perspectives as he was just trying to figure out how,
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  Speaker 1: you know, their projection systems were twenty eight games like
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  Speaker 1: too high on the White Sox because that was the
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  Speaker 1: thing is everybody had the White Sox peg for being
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  Speaker 1: an awful, awful team this year, but somewhere in like
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  Speaker 1: the mid sixties range, just because they did have decent
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  Speaker 1: players and the rotation is all right. But everyone's trying
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  Speaker 1: to like figure out, like, man, what does this mean
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  Speaker 1: for my algorithm? Like what does this mean for how
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  Speaker 1: we're calculating war? And I can tell you it just
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  Speaker 1: can't calculate the White Sox because like, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think it has anything to do with a bad calculation.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a there's not an expectation to
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  Speaker 2: be this bad is possible?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So, like you just.
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  Speaker 2: You have the outer bounds come in on all your
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  Speaker 2: models and say, like, well, if you flip a coin
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  Speaker 2: enough times, it's gonna come up heads, right, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're dealing with the weighted coin here a
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  Speaker 1: little bit in terms of like, cause this has been
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  Speaker 1: happening a lot with the Angel I think too, And
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of parallels between the Angels
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  Speaker 1: and the White Socks because both have very meddlesome owners
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  Speaker 1: who just really still have kind of like an anti
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  Speaker 1: analytic analytics slant, and with that it just kind of
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  Speaker 1: I think permeates. There's no way that both the Angels
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  Speaker 1: and the White Sox have the best pregame plans, There's
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  Speaker 1: no way they have the best training staffs, There's no
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  Speaker 1: way that they're making every sort of opportunity you can
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  Speaker 1: to be able to capitalize and turn yourself into a
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  Speaker 1: better team. And what's happened is I think every other
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  Speaker 1: team out there is pretty good at that stuff, because
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty much like a basics to get in the
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  Speaker 1: door to be able to compete in modern day sports.
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  Speaker 1: It's just that these franchises are really getting left behind.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, because of that, I don't ever see like
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  Speaker 1: an end to the malaise in Chicago because one, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the system's not great right now, But how do you
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  Speaker 1: can you have any faith that Jerry Reinsdorf and Chris
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  Speaker 1: Gets and whoever else he brings in are able to
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  Speaker 1: take this team forward at all? And and just like
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  Speaker 1: if you're playing with such limited resources compared to everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: I also think about like the Willpon Mets. The Willpon
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  Speaker 1: Mets like ran a really tiny, tiny sabermetric department considering
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  Speaker 1: their resources, and now that that's flipped, you can see
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  Speaker 1: where they've been performing, you know, more up to speed.
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  Speaker 1: That it's just gonna be. It's gonna be along the
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  Speaker 1: lays until like somebody wakes up within the White Sox
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  Speaker 1: organization says, hey, like we're not doing anything right, Like
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  Speaker 1: something's really got to change from the ground up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the end of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just a really tough rebuild because you don't have
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  Speaker 2: the pieces to part out like that. That's really what
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to is if you look at this,
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  Speaker 2: they parted fetti out, what's crochet, what's left, Like, you're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna get much for lose Robert at this point,
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  Speaker 2: and so you don't you can't like hard a guy
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  Speaker 2: out and like, Okay, we're just gonna restock the system,
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  Speaker 2: like it's gonna take years of those number number one
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  Speaker 2: picks for the next ten years. At this point, I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a better, more ruler on that now.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, You're exactly right. They can't ever even get
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  Speaker 1: a number one pick because they play in a major market.
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  Speaker 1: The highest pick they can get is ten. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Like, isn't it like.
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  Speaker 2: Back to back, like you can't have like you can
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  Speaker 2: have it like a few times. We can't have it
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  Speaker 2: like more than two times in the top ten or
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But at this point where they can't keep repeating, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like they're really stuck because there's also there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that Jerry Reinstorf and Chris gets new that
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  Speaker 1: rule until like somebody told them.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, wasn't their draft order in the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: I need to go back and look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when exactly those rules kicked in,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, for next year, I know that they can't
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  Speaker 1: draft higher than ten.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just dreadful, Like the same thing happened
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  Speaker 2: to that. Yes, So yeah, it's it's unbelievable that this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a conversation we have for a while.
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  Speaker 2: The only good news here is we're probably the number
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  Speaker 2: one podcast and talking about the White Sox and number two.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't made it up to the ballpark up there
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  Speaker 2: and the tickets are gonna be really cheap, so I
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  Speaker 2: can sit anywhere. So I'm just in a selfish mindset here.
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  Speaker 2: We can keep talking about the socks and we can't really.
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  Speaker 1: Be wrong, So make sure you bring those binoculars to
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  Speaker 1: check out Grady Sizemore. My man, Hey gonna start somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: ye exactly, player manager. So we send Petro grafall off
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  Speaker 1: from the Chicago White Sox with a career three nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: win percentage eighty nine and one ninety. That is rough.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think he's ever going to get another
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  Speaker 1: managerial job, but he's going to pop up somewhere, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure next year. So best luck out there, Pedro. We
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  Speaker 1: are going to move into our normal news and notes,
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  Speaker 1: but also kind of preview a little bit of like
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  Speaker 1: on the back end, what we're going to do here
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: in the second half is just kind of run through
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  Speaker 1: some buys and cells that we're making on both cards
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  Speaker 1: and category side that we figured it'd be fun to
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  Speaker 1: get back to our roots a little bit in terms
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  Speaker 1: of blending both of those together and look at players
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  Speaker 1: that not only are we trying to acquire in you know,
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  Speaker 1: fantasy dynasty corporate like setups keeper setups where we're looking
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  Speaker 1: towards next year and maybe even a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: after that, but even honestly at this point kind of
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  Speaker 1: setting our boards a little bit for twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: as kind of like that analysis never stops and you
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  Speaker 1: kind of have to keep everything fresh and think about
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  Speaker 1: how you're going to be approaching next year as well,
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  Speaker 1: because we'll be having our twenty twenty five kind of
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  Speaker 1: like first round tradition that we started last year coming
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  Speaker 1: up in a few weeks, and so we will get
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  Speaker 1: into that in the second half, but first let's get
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  Speaker 1: into some of those news notes. And we've got another
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  Speaker 1: handful of transactions that are more fun than the injuries
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  Speaker 1: again this week, so we'll start there. And the first
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  Speaker 1: one is, I guess it's not so fun. Let's hear
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Walker that is for the San Francisco Giants, but
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  Speaker 1: Camillo Davall, closer for the Giants, was just straight demoted
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  Speaker 1: to triple A. He was closing one day and then
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  Speaker 1: down a triple A the next day. Brew I know
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  Speaker 1: that we were talking a little bit before the pod
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  Speaker 1: that this kind of shocked you and came out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: But anything maybe in Dovall's profile that was pointing towards
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  Speaker 1: this recently, or is this maybe a case of, hey,
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  Speaker 1: they just are trying to get him right, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: some sort of conflict with the coaching staff that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to sort out publicly and just sent him down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this falls into the wake up call category.
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  Speaker 2: Is really where I'm to see it in Like when
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  Speaker 2: I say, I was a little like you said, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking before the POD, I was a little surprised this one.
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  Speaker 2: It's more of the fact that you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: like he's in like year one and he just got
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  Speaker 2: the role and you know, yeah, it's not working out
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  Speaker 2: where I send jacking the minors for tooling, Like Devall's
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  Speaker 2: been the closure for a while there in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: and he's always had this really shaky profile, like walks
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  Speaker 2: have always been a concern, always had a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of trouble keeping it in the yard, like, but he
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  Speaker 2: always just seemed to get the job done. And so
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  Speaker 2: we're I'm a little surprised, is uh, you know it
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  Speaker 2: we call it Paul Seawald, Right, he got just taken
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  Speaker 2: out of his role the DBAX and they moved him
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  Speaker 2: to low leverage, put them in games when they're up
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  Speaker 2: you know, nine to two or down nine two whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It is like you know, they're they're getting them some work,
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  Speaker 2: build that conference back up, still giving the same challenge,
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  Speaker 2: and then but saying like, yeah, we still believe you're
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  Speaker 2: still a major league pitcher. And then at some point
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think it's the same for Deval.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is for seawalld. He's gonna get another
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  Speaker 2: shot at the role. Like I said, I'm just a
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  Speaker 2: little surprised that they actually sent the ball all the
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  Speaker 2: way down to the minors. And it's not like they're,
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  Speaker 2: i say, really making a big play here for a
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  Speaker 2: playoff spot. They're they're middling. There's still a chance right
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  Speaker 2: for for the Giants, but you know, they're five hundred
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  Speaker 2: team right now. It's not like it's not like they're
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  Speaker 2: sitting here in the thick of it and like they
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  Speaker 2: just can't pitch the guy at all. So, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: been rough. It's the walks have just absolutely killed him,
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  Speaker 2: uh this year, and that's really been the root of it.
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  Speaker 2: He's had some luck issues, like it's just not been great.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it really gets shocked up to we
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  Speaker 2: need to to give you a wake up call. You
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  Speaker 2: really need to refocus, and then we'll we'll bring it
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  Speaker 2: back in you know, a few weeks and hopefully you're
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  Speaker 2: you're feeling a little bit better, but we'll see. That's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's a tough blow for fantasy owners that as
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  Speaker 2: rough as he had them, he still was giving you
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  Speaker 2: the saves you're expecting. So I think that that's a
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  Speaker 2: tough one for fantasy owners.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the strikeouts too, the strikeout rate was still
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  Speaker 1: pretty even, like you said, the walk rate jumping from
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  Speaker 1: three and a half per nine last year up to
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  Speaker 1: five point nine this year. That's brutal. And I do
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  Speaker 1: tend to think that what I was kind of burying
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  Speaker 1: there in the question at the end, with like a
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  Speaker 1: conflict with the coaching staff is maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of probably what happened behind the scenes when you kind
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  Speaker 1: of look at how this played out, that they were
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  Speaker 1: probably asking Dvaul to try to make changes, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't receptive to them, especially when you are the closer,
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  Speaker 1: like there is an ego that goes with that, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a little tough to maybe approach somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: doing well, you know, he was twenty two for twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven and save opportunities and that's not I mean that
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  Speaker 1: will get the job done. But maybe he just needed
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  Speaker 1: the time down in TRIPAA to really hear the coaching
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  Speaker 1: and learn the lesson. But I think in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: if Ryan Walker was available in your league, he honestly
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  Speaker 1: wasn't in a lot of leagues because his rates were
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  Speaker 1: so superb and he had been pitching to a two
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  Speaker 1: seventeen ear array over sixty two and a third innings,
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  Speaker 1: giving you more than ten case per nine, that he's
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  Speaker 1: an easy set it and forget it closer. I think
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: as long as he's got the job.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yep, fully agree. And I think you'll have it for
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a little while here, because even even if the ball
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: gets called back up, they're gonna put them low leverage situations.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: But I think there's a reasonable chance that Douvall is
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: closing games again before the end of the season. I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: not saying it's a fifty to fifty, but like it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: maybe a thirty percent chance that they give another shot
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: before the end of the season if he can get
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: things right.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think you are nailed it down. The
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: head there, all right. The next transaction we have is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Junior Camenero, infielder for the Tampa Bay Rays, was called
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: up and this is his debut here for twenty twenty four.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: He played a little bit down the stretch last year,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: if you recall especially, was thrown just like right into
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the thick of that playoff race and got some time.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Certainly would have been up much earlier this year if
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: he hadn't dealt with injuries. I think he dealt with
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a hamstring mostly, and but just tons of nicks and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: knacks and bruises as he was coming through the Ray
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: system this year. But after hitting two seventy six, three
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: thirty one, four ninety eight down at Triple A over
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty six played appearances, he's now gonna
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: be slotted in for It looks like third base right
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: now for the Rays, as they are slowly but surely
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: converting like Christopher Morell into a second baseman, which I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: think makes a lot more sense. Like if the guy
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: can't throw, move him closer first before you.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Totally give up on him, don't tell that's a chuck
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and oblock.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So we're moving further away. You got a closer then
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: further away back to left field. So but junior Camanaro
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: should play in the middle of the Rays lineup, pretty
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: much all the way down the stretch in the five hole.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Where is he cracking your top one hundred hitters for
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the rest of the year here, Brew.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely is. You know I at this point,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'd probably slat him in the back third right and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that probably sixty seventy range, just because the upside that
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: he doesn't bring to And to be frank like, as
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I look at the rankings, we've hit that point of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the year where you can tell people are breaking down,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like the I've got asked the question a few times,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: like why is this guy moving up the rankings? He's
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: not been very good. I'm like, he didn't move up
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: seven guys got hurt or fell apart or got shut
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: down or so like you can easily move down the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: rankings and move up the rankings at the same time.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think Camanio kind of fits in, like
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I said, if you force my hand, and probably staying
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: around the seventy range is where I'd be booking him
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: right now. Again, he's still a twenty one year old,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: He's still trying to be figuring things out, so I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: still think there's some growing pains there. He doesn't have
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: much speed, so he's not gonna be running and filling
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the stat sheet, which would for me give him an
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: initial bump. But he he's got great power, he's gonna
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: have some good counting stats. He's gonna hit for a
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: prey respectable average. So I think there's a lot to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: like with camin Yiro here. And I really like this
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: for his value next year, because getting a little bit
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: more second season, getting some more time under the belt
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: is only gonna be good for his overall development. So
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I might be saying seventy right now, I would be
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: surprised to see him easily inside that top fifty next year,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: if not even higher than that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I think you're looking at somebody
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: who's gonna be a pretty significant power and average bat
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit speed thrown in, but certainly
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like you're looking somewhere in the mid twenties for homers
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in like a two seventy two eighty average and who knows,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like it's a pretty special bat.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And it's it's one of those that
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the ceiling is quite high on him. I think that's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: where it gets to, like you say, yeah, twenty five,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: two seventy five, but don't be shocked when the guy
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: hits thirty five two ninety and yeah, knocks in one
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: hundred runs or knocks in one hundred scores one hundred, Like,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: don't be shocked if we're talking about a top two
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: round guy, top three round guy here in a few years,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: because you know, we're learning the job here and he's
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he's definitely got the skill set to do some pretty
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: impressive things.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am totally on board there. Okay. Another call
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: up that we had this week was outfielder Jordan Walker
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: returning in Saint Louis, and he had been starting to
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: really put it together as of late. Down in Triple A.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: He was slashing since the All Star break. Well, he
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: was hitting three hundred, over one hundred at bats or
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: over eighty at bats, Don't know where I got the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: hundred from with five homers, and was really like starting
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: to just control the zone a little bit better in
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: terms of twenty strikeouts in those eighty at bats, eighty
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: eight plate appearances, so just around a you know, low
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: twenties percent k right there and was starting to just
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: drive the ball more too. You had more doubles in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that profile, and was certainly looking like he was finding
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a stride in his swing. Doesn't look like he's got
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a very significant role right now in Saint Louis as
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they're playing him as a short sight patoon for some reason.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know why you wouldn't want to march
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: him out there and get every day at bats, because
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's becoming pretty evident that Burlson and Jordan
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Walker split some sort of like first base and corner
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: outfield spot next year is I just don't see how
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals bring back gold Schmid at this point. But
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: what would you be looking for in Jordan Walker's profile
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: down the stretch to encourage you for next year? I mean,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: this is a guy who coming into this year was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: drafted around like one hundred and tenth pick. I heard
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: on the Rota Wire pod earlier this week that before
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Duvall was demoted, Walker was the highest pick in any
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of the NFBC drafts, you know, on that data that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was demoted to the miners before that. So what does
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: walkening to do down the stretch to really impress you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and push him back up draft boards for next year.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think for me, it's really seeing the quality
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of contact improve. He got to a point where it
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was he was pounding into the ground or popping up
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: like he just seemed lost to the plate, having trouble
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: kind of stretching to some of those outside pitches. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I need to see him hitting the line drives. I
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: need to see him any solid line drives, solid contact,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: because if you do that, it starts a translate into
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: all those other things. And if he isn't starting to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: do some of those things, which then starts to increase
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the playing time, I'm I'm stepping away from Jordan Walker
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. There's there's definitely capability in that body.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But with the way the Cardinals have really handled young
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: up and coming the hitters in the recent years, it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: not been good, not been pleasant. And so if he's not,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like I said, showing like that that very fundamental skill
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: set of spray the field, hit line drives, get on
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: base by not striking out like take some walks and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: then slowly growing that playing time, I'm concerned. And I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: guess that might be saying like the obvious, like he's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: got to perform. But it's not like you just get
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: a little baby pluck or you know, hit a few
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: home runs, Like I'm actually not concerned with the home runs.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm concerned like, are you hitting the ball solid on
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the line, spray in all fields? Like that's Jordan Walker
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: is not going to a thirty five homer guy. He is.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He is going to be a guy that hits maybe
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: for a higher average and you know, steal a handful
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of bases, can hit twenty twenty five homers. That's what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you're you're hoping for with with Jordan Walker. So I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: don't know, how about you? What are you? What are
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you watching for with Walker at this point?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of the same what you're
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: looking for, and a little bit of like process too,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Like I want to see just confidence in the box
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: more than anything else. Like it's really it's something that's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: not going to show up obviously in stat lines, but
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: if you are watching Cardinals games or get a chance
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to catch like his at bats and highlights, I just
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: want to see Jordan Walker look like he is ready
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to hit in the box and they's not on his
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: back heels that he looks overmatched. If he can start
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: flashing a little bit of that, I think some of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: those other things that you talked about come through, because
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I think at this point it's less of like a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: skill issue and more of kind of like a mental
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: adjustment or mental focus or just approach that. Like. I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: think it's one of the things that the Cardinals have
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: really struggled with as a team overall, is like just
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: trying to get that level of coaching. I think they
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: can do the x's and o's really well, but trying
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to get some of their players to that next level
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: hasn't always translated well because I think there's just some
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: sort of gap in their system in terms of trying
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to explain those things and have people develop from that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of more psychological perspective.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right, So it'll be interesting to see.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I hope he gets a chance to hit on both
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: against both sides of the platoon there.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, a couple more week bad weeks
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna get a full vote of playing time,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: so I don't think we'll have to worry. Okay, the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: next move that we have is Zebbie Matthews of the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins was called up and made his debut. As
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: he's likely going to stick in the rotation for a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: long time. With Joe Ryan going down with a triceps injury,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: we can get into the Joe Ryan piece in a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: little bit and we'll have a little bit I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: more on Zebby Matthews in terms of where we're taking
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: him in dynasties, but especially he's gonna be a hot
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: commodity here this weekend for any sort of waiver wire
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: bids and fab pickups. He blazed through three levels of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the Miners this year with a two sixty ERA across
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: ninety seven innings with a ten point six K nine,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So he's certainly got a big arm. I mean, are
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you adding him in every league you can this weekend?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Already?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Did?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, No, I'm absolutely adding Zebbe Matthews wherever
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I can. But I don't think I want to be
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: clear the reason, and it's not because of Zbbe Matthews upside.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It's because of Zbi Matthews downside. And you know, if
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you look at this profile, Zebby does not have like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: a specific overwhelming pitch. He's kind of a four or
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: five pitch mixed guy. He's a massive human. He's six
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: five to ten and he actually kind of I don't know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: if you watched his debut, he got actually short arms
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the ball a little bit doesn't look like he gets
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the full value out of his height there for. But
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: he's the probably massive control artist, the best control in
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the Miners this year, you could argue best control in
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: all of baseball pretty easily. He across the three levels
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: of the Miners. And I'm sure you already know this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: He had seven walks this entire season, So yeah, that's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: pretty good when you're also actually delivering the strikeouts and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you're striking out ten eleven guyser per nine. And why
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that matters is when your pitches are good, like they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: all good pitches, but you can place them wherever you want.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And this happened yesterday. If you watch the game, he
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: was getting the kind of Greg Maddis calls. He was
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: around on the zone, he was getting inside the zone,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: but then he was just nibbling on the outside. But
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: because the control was so good, he was getting those
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit fringe calls as well, just because he's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: always in the zone and so it's so easy just
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to give him those calls. But from a fantasy perspective,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: he's in a great ballpark for not giving up homers
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: despite what he did yesterday. He is going to keep
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: your whip low because he's not gonna give those walks.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He's on a decent team. He's just not gonna be
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that blows up all over the place.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: He's you know, sure, he's still he's young, he's still
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what he's he's doing. But he
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: just to me, really comes off as a solid, solid player,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm not looking at him as a guy that's
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: gonna be a one or two. He's a three or
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: four that you're really really happy with. Oddly, the guy
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: he kind of reminds me of is in the same
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: rotation with Bailey over the other really big guy controls
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the ball. I would say over Stuff is a little
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: more impressive than Zebbi's, but Zebbi clearly has better control
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: than most anybody. But they they have that really good
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: pitch mix and sitting a really good ballpark, really good rotation,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and the Twins are like starting to pump out some
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: some pitching. Like there's been enough time with with the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Guardians here or something. There's there's a little pitching factory
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: going here in Minnesota.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've always kind of thought that Derek
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Falvey up there like had a chance to do some
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of that, and yeah, it's it's great to see some
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of that coming to Fruition after they brought through some
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of the hitters in that system. And so yeah, I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: think the Twins are gonna be righting this battle down
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the stretch. I think we'll be seeing lots of Zebbi.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Can't miss him when he's that big on the screens.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: All right. Next call up we have is Will Wagner,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: son of I almost said Hall of Famer Billy Wagoner.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: He's it'd be a Hall of Famer. I it's kind
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of a shame that Billy Wagner is not in a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But that's a rant for another podcast
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: another day. But Will Wagner debuting with the Toronto Blue
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Jays after he came over from Houston in the USA
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Kakuchi trade at the deadline, and it's well deserved. He
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is a little bit older, so he's twenty five and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was slashing three fifteen, four thirty two, four forty four
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: across seventy seven games at Triple A. A little bit
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: light in terms of like the power department, only six homers,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: but certainly great back control, great ie. He's playing second
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: base for the most part in Toronto, although he can
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: also play third base, and I mean he played shortstop
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: coming up, but I don't know if he's gonna stick
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: there at all. So you're looking at a second base,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: third base situation, which is all the Blue Jays have now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I think like it's a he's he is on a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: platoon with David Schneider, but reminds me a lot of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like this as in Barger, Spencer Horowitz, Ernie Clement, guy
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: type that Toronto has been collecting, and what are you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: doing here with Bill that Wagner. Do you think that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: there is a path that he could be able to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: carve out some playing time going into the future for
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is a path that he can
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: carve out some playing time. But I also think you're
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: right in your assessment of the kind of player that
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: he is. I don't think he's overly exciting. He's kind
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of the guy that is going to be slightly above
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: average maybe, but he's one of those that you're not
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: worried about. He's not a boom or bust. He's you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't strike out too much, walks a decent amount, so
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: he's on base. He can run a little bit, he
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: can pop a little bit, but neither of those are
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: carrying tools. Like he just is a good ballplayer, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: not the ballplayer that you're trying to invest in and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: build your team around. He's more of a role player
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: fits in and your point. He can play few different
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: positions and so he's a useful piece of a team
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that's not that good, or he's on a team that's
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: pretty good and he's a super utility. That's kind of
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: where I see him. So from like a fantasy perspective,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I'm really just kind of, you know, watching enjoying the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: story that is Will Will Wagner. But I'm not jumping
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: in with both feata at this point in time. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, am I a little too cold on a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Will Wagner or you there with me?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: No? I think I think that's probably just about right
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that I think he's more of like a fifteen teamer,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And especially like in an ale only like these type
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of guys are really valuable because like if he is
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: playing every day and is hitting for a decent batting
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: average and just kind of he walks a lot, so
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: like I think you're looking at somebody who can walk
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: eight to ten percent at the time in the big
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: leagues that he's got a good eye. Honestly, it reminds
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me of Spencer Horwitz, but with a little bit more
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: speed and a little bit less power, and so it
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: just plays consistency standpoint of where like even like some
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: of like the late career, like Justin Turner, maybe not
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: as much batting average, but sometimes you just need somebody
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: who will play, not take your banging average and just
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: give you runs an RBI in really deep leagues. Will
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Wagner would be a perfect fit for that type of situation.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your He is your prototypical multi positional guy.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Late in the GIRAFT you're like, yeah, I'll take him
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: because I might use him, and then you'll cut him
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: like two weeks later because you're like you're you're chasing
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the hot bat, so uh yeah, it'll, it'll. It's it's
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: a good story. Unfortunately, Kea Bigio is not there to
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to to bring it all together. But again, discussion for
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: another day.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Bizio is a free agent. He could
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe very true, maybe he come back.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, next treansaction we have is a little bit of
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a different one. So the Seattle Manners went out and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: extended outfielder Victor Roblace to a two year deal. They
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: picked up road Blaze from the waiver wire after he
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: was outrighted by the Nationals. Started with Seattle on June fifth,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and since then, over one hundred and twenty seven played
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: appearances has slashed two ninety two, three sixty four thirty three,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: good for a one to thirty three WRC plus with
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: three homers, twelve stolen bases, no caught stealings. So he
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: has been on fire if you've been able to pick
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: him up in any leagues out there, especially as a
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: stolen base asset. He's been playing a great center field
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: while Julio Rodriguez was injured there for a little bit,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and has really found a new groove in Seattle. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: think it has been starting to fall apart a little bit.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Let me look at his post All Star break splits
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and that's still okay. You're looking at two sixty eight,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: three twenty six, three seventy eight one oh, seven WRC
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: plus since the All Star break, and that's when all
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the steals have come as well. So he's turned into
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, maybe like what we expected of him,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: because the prospect expectations of Victor Roeblace a few years
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: ago were sky high as he came through with both
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: power and speed in the Washington system. But I don't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: think the power is ever coming. But do you think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that he can stick in Seattle and actually be useful
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: for like a stolen base, a little bit of power,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: but mostly stolen base and some average in our fantasy leagues?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Like are you acquiring him out there in dynasty leagues? Possibly?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: No? Yeah, I I I yeah, you Like I was
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out a way to like give some
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: glimmer of hope here. But no, Like when when this
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: when I saw the news first break, I was like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: what what we talked about here? But it actually makes
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense from the from the Mariner's perspective,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: what they're what they're doing, yeah, which is you are
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: just signing a fourth outfielder that but gels with your team,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: that has some random upside. I mean he's very talented.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a question about that. It's just
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it's in spurts and stops and things. But he's a
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: really great defender. He can run, and at the same time,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: you sign him for like four million a year basically,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and so if at the end of the day you
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: find a better spot, you're not out that bad. From
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: a fourth outfielder perspective, like they've just kind of locked.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: It's like you're in a dynasty league and you're holding
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and you've plugged in your a guy on your bench
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: and you're like, eh, yeah, I would like to have
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: him for a buck at auction, but I'll pay three
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: because I don't have to worry about it. That's exactly
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: what the Mariners just did with with Victor Robliss here,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and don't read more into it. He's on a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: bit of hot streak right now, but there's nothing that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: he hasn't done before with a little hot streak. Proved
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: me wrong with Victor Robliss, but I am not buying
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree that in certainly, like, yeah, a
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: late round dart throw a little bit honestly, like a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Rajah Davis when he's playing. Sure, maximize it while you can,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but don't spend any sort of like dynasty capital, keeper
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: capital on him, don't spend big bucks at the draft table.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: That it's just it will come in spurts. And I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: think that the hype is is long gone. You can
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: just he's never hit the ball hard, and I think
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: that was always his problem. That like he's one of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the first players I think of when we started getting
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: these bad ball metrics and like trying to figure out
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: why some people have not totally made it in the majors.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to see what's been holding back Victor Roeblace.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: He just doesn't get enough oop into the ball, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it's gonna just not be something he can overcome. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: think this is a little bit of like a he
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: needed a change of scenery for sure, and this is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: proving it, but certainly not investing hugely going forward, but
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: will pick him up if if I need a little
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: bit speed and he's playing, you know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. This is the perfect guy when
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you're in like a categories league or something like that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and you're struggling and they're like, well, I'm not gonna
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: if I don't get my seals, season's over. After Rubless
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: is your man.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Now let's move on to some injuries. So
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the first guy we've got is once you started finally
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: buying in, you cursed him, and now he's gonna be
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: out because I can almost guarantee you that the news
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: tomorrow is that he's gonna need Tommy John On this
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: UCL injury, we're talking about the Yankees Jazz Chisholm, who
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: sprained his left UCL, so it's not his throwing arm
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: when he was sliding into plate the other night against
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. They have subsequently shelved him on the IEL,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: but it is a question of what the treatment path
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: is gonna be here for Chisholm that I'm not totally sure,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: like how the UCL affects kind of like your back
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: arm because he's left handed, Yeah, your back arm when
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you're swinging. Like when we think about like Otani going
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: through this and Bryce Harper going through this, it was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the right elbow, so they were able to actually play
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: with the torny UCL. I don't know if like that's
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a different calculus because you've got a little bit more
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of your power coming from your left arm when you're
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: swinging left handed. I'm trying to like if you could
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: see me on the zoom, I'm like trying to think
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: about how the swing would like affect my elbow. But
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Jazz Chism, you moved him up your board in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: top one hundred hitters because he's been absolutely on fire
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: for the Yankees, certainly in leagues where people had him.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I have him in TGFBI and he just kind of
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: like stormed my team into the top twenty overall because
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he's hit three sixteen, three sixty one, seven oh two
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: over sixty one, played appearances with the Yankees with seven
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: homers five steals while just learning third base on the fly.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So he will have third base eligibility and outfield eligibility
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: for next year, which will be huge. But what are
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you doing in where you have Jazz Because this is
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a really tough injury and we just are in a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: very gray period right now. So are you thinking that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: he can come back and find any sort of form
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: of the Yankees that he flashed before? Yeah?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean to be honest, So I'm gonna switch
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: sports for you here. I'm feeling like Dennis Green, Arizona
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Cardinal's head coach, he is who he thought he was,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: or they are who we thought they were right.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You're gonna do it fighting.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it comes down to like it is the history,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: it is the style you right like and I don't
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: think there's any denying the skill set here, but this's
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: just it's another nail in that coffin like happens once
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you know, happens twice. It's like this is like the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: like fourth kind of like significant injury. I think I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: can recall with Chisholm, and it's not like one thing,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's different when it's like you've a backy
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: back like a Christian yellis for example, Like it's that
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: thing that you know what it is, you kind of
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: know your what you're getting into jazz, Like I'm worried
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: his arm is gonna fall off tomorrow or he's gonna
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: literally run through a fence, Like I just don't know
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. I'll have Rice Harper type style. And
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: so I think that that is concerning to the same point.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm also like over here on the zoom trying to
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: figure out like how that I almost feel like your
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: front arm in the swing would be a bigger issue
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: for the UCL I.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know but you see something like the inside
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of your elbow for torquing it is.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: But still, I just I'm just I don't know. I'm
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: gonna have to go do some left lefty hitting in
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the garage after this podcast. There's no video evidence of that,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: by the way, righty through through. Yeah, I think this
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: is one of those ones where you're we're gonna he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: gonna take a little bit more time. I think he
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: probably gets a chance to come back. But again with
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: kind of where we're at the standings with the Yankees,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna risk anything. They want him for the playoffs,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: so they're gonna be very cautious with this one on
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: he's if he's going to be able to come back.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: To your point, I feel like we might be announcing
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: surgery tomorrow would have been on how severe it is.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But if he's able to come back, it's for like
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: one week at the end of the season into the playoffs.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Like I so, I if your trade deadline still out
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: there and somebody else is willing to take that gamble,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I would absolutely capitalize on it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's totally fair. But yeah, you
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: did mention some back injuries and we've got another one
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: with our next injury, and that is I mean, this
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: has become a chronic thing now with Chris Bryant. I mean,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: we haven't talked about him in a while because honestly,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: he had just kind of sunk so low he didn't
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: kind of warrant discussion. But I did want to bring
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: him up because maybe as like a bit of a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: sion r because I just like, I do think that
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: this is probably about like the end of any sort
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of Chris Bryant hope out there in the fantasy pool,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: because I think the season's probably going to be over
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: for him. Only played thirty seven games, hit two eighteen three,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: twenty three three ZHO one, struck out thirty one percent
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of the time and looked like he was striking out
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: thirty one percent of the time, if not more. He's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: going to turn thirty three in January, so he's gonna
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: really be into advanced territory that the Rockies were probably hoping,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the first three years of the deal would
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: go okay, and then you know, once he hit the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: back end, including you know, getting into that age thirty
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: three season, it would start getting worse. But yeah, he
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: hasn't even played one hundred and sixty two games for
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the Rockies, yet he's only had one hundred and fifty
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: nine over three years. Just really sad considering what Pete
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Chris Bryant was and what he offered from a speed
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and power department. But yeah, I just wanted to lament
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that we're probably not going to see Chris Bryant back
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: any real fashion, which is also a shame considering the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: whole Rockies of it all. You know that the other
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: week when the Rockies had a homestand I made a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: joke in my column that you know, I had all
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: these Rockies to suggest picking up and I was like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you don't need to pick up Chris Bryant, though this
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: is part of the reason why. It just it's really
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: sad that his body failed him, as he does look
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: just totally toasted at this point.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's sad, like to your point, incredible
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: talent and injuries just got the best of a man.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He's got four more or sorry, five more years on
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that deal. Uh, four more years. He's got four more
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: deals years on that deal. And it's it's, uh, I'm
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: at this point, like you're you're reaching Chris Davis territory,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: and like you're asking the question of, like, are you
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: better off eating this contract and moving on from the headache?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: And I, first of all, I don't think the Rockies,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: like I don't think they can say face doing that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: They have to hope that, Like you just have to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: give him as much absolute time as possible to try
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: to get healthy. And you're hoping he can d h
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: for half the season, Like you're just hoping that you
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: get one hundred, one hundred WRC plus Chris Bryant's perfectly
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: league average is all you can possibly hope for at
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll see. I mean, I hope he
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: does bounce back, but it's been just a rough go
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: in terms of the variety of injuries that he's undergone.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm sure. Also you want to talk about
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: other teams that probably don't have great training staffs in preparation,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Colorado Rockies are in that boat with the Angels and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the White Sox. So that's not going to help him all. Right.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Next injury we have is we've actually got a pair
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of Ryan's that after the Bryant injury. So Ryan's and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Brian's and Bryant's look out out there. This week we
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: have River Ryan going down for the Dodgers after throwing
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: twenty one and the third innings at the big league level.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Was brilliant with a one thirty three era looked like
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: he could be the savior for a lot of teams
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that were looking for some starting pitching down the stretch.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: But he has a UCL injury and already underwent Tommy
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: John surgery. So what are you doing here with River
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Ryan in any like super deep dynasty leagues. He's probably
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: not going to be back for twenty twenty six, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: at that point he'll be twenty seven years old. Any
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: glimmer of hope there.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think this is one of those
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: scenarios where you like the talent, you like the potential,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you like the team, but the situation is just not
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: worth it. Like you're you're absolutely looking three years out
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: to your point. Guy is twenty seven that you're hoping
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: is working things back, and he hasn't established himself that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: he can contribute at that major league level. There's a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: lot to like when you look at kind of like
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: his history is minor league results, Like there's a lot
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: of things like yeah, this could turn into something it
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: hasn't turned. It's that we have. Yes, I know, he
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: had a one thirty three year ray. He also had
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a four point three x step so like it wasn't
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: like he was absolutely dominant by he means, and you're
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: just like, man, this is unfortunate. I just hope he
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: gets back and he can regregate gain his form. Like
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: you still don't know what he is, So I don't
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: think it's worth waiting three years from that clogging up
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: a roster spot. This If he comes back in three
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: years and is unbelievable, he goes, well, that's okay. I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: not too upset about it. So it's unfortunate the Dodgers
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: for all the pitching they've had. Man, they've really struggled
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to get to keep guys healthy and get the innings
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that they're that they're looking for u f from their rotation.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. All right, that other injured Ryan
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and we already talked about him a little bit with
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the Zebbie Matthews news. That is Joe Ryan, pitcher for
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins, going down with a terrace major grade
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: two strain and so that should keep him out like
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: four to six weeks and that's pretty much the rest
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: of the season, and especially when you're dealing with a
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: strain in the shoulder slash tricep area, that that's not
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: an injury that they usually mess around with at the
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: big league level, that they make sure that that thing
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: is fully healed and ready to go. But the Twins
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: will really want Joe Ryan down the stretch because he's
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: really had broken out this year in terms of he
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: put up a three sixty array that was under written
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: by a three forty five fit and that came the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: strikeout stick a little bit of a step back, but
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: certainly like lopping off almost a run from the ra
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you would take that if you were a Joe Ryan owner.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: He did that over a whole one hundred and thirty
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: five innings with a point nine to nine whip, and
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I think with that like he was incredible this year.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I really love Joe Ryan and what he can give us.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think if anything like this is a concerning injury,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: maybe going into the offseason you want to keep track
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: of it going into next year. But I'm pretty comfortable
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like making Joe Ryan like my number two starting pitcher
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: for fantasy reasons going into drafts next year. What are
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: you thinking for twenty twenty five for Joe Ryan?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there that if you had asked me,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: is he at number one?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Two?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Three? Out of said two, he's a two. He does
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: have a little bit more of a risky profile just
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: because he is extremely a fly ball prone and so
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: he ends up with homer issues, which gets him a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: little bit, you know, one of those headache kind of
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: guys to own because he can be just absolutely brilliant
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and then he can blow up on you. But the
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: overall profile is absolutely the things that you're looking for. Veloscit.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: He was up this season, He did seem healthier, did
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: seem like he's really come into his own at the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: age of twenty eight. So I really think that there's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a lot to like with Joe Ryan. I can't fully
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: get to him being like my ace, my number one,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: just because that the homer issues, But yeah, I have
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: no problem with him being a key part of my
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: rotation going forward. So I really like Joe Ryan. At
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: least this injury is not like a shoulder or something
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: like that, so there's there's a lot. There's not the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: worst news here at this point.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, and especially like I think it is,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I would be careful with him too that Like it's
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: easy to also look at his profile and say, oh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: he's still, you know, younger than thirty. He's got a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: pretty good stuff plus rating on all of his pitches,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Like could he lop down you know, that home run
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: rate by increasing the ground balls? And I would say
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: that it's always going to be a part of Joe
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Ryan's game given the fastball that he throws and the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: slot that he throws out of that he kind of
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: has this foolish rising fastball thing and it's not going
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: quite as fast as everybody else's, so like when it
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: gets squared up, it gets squared up, and so as
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: batters chase that at the top of the zone, that's
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: what's creating a lot of the flyballs. So I think
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: because of that, I think what we've seen this year
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: from Joe Ryan, I don't have a problem like penciling
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it in the stats again next year, but I'm not
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like looking for him to take another step forward and
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: become that fantasy ace. Yep.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I fully agree.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, the next injury we've got is a little
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: bit of a minor injury overall, but it is going
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to be pretty significant because it is save season. I
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if you realize, but it is that time
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of time of year when we're all scrapping for a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: couple saves because the standings are tight and the bullpens
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: are volatile. And that is the Royals hunter. Harvey has
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: been placed on the aisle with a back issue of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: his own, and that just pretty much clears the path
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: for Lucas Ersig to run with this saves closer job
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: in Kansas, say the rest of the way out. So
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he picked up a save the last Royal save on Saturday,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: just picked one up this afternoon, I believe. And so
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it looks like it's already happening as Lucas Ersig came
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: over from the A's at the deadline. And I also
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: love this, Like we talked a lot about like building
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: bullpens for dynasty, like long term. I don't know if
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: there is a better target out there than Lucas Ersig
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: right now? What do you think?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're you're right on that. We kind
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: of talked about him and uh, you know in the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: kind of trade deadline podcasts and you know, thinking that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: he could end up being that guy, and I think
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: he he will be be that guy. He's not overly exciting,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: not overly sexy from a pitching perspective, but he just
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: gets the job done. And so I think he's one
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: of those that is you look into next year. I
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: think there's a good chance that he's like that steady
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Eddie like closure that just does enough and you're not
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: thrilled with him, but you're but you're you're happy because
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: he's solid. So I really like what we see with
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Ersik here, but also just tells you the fragility of
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the bullpen hunter. Harvey was supposed to be the guy.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: He was kind of a disaster since they brought him over,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's that's just such a tough, tough gig with
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: the limited pitching you have, the limited repertoire you have,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Like if thick guys figure you out, you can be
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: out out of a job. Your control leaves you're out
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: of the job. Like it's it is such a dicey,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: dicey game to play.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think why I really like Ursak
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: as a dynasty kind of target is there's really nobody
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: else outside of Harvey in this Kansas City bullpen that
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: James MacArthur's had the role for a long time, but
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: he's a sinker ball pitcher and it has not looks
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: great at times. Ursak isn't a free agent until after
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty nine season. He's still pre ARB, so
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: you're looking at like there's nobody else around in this
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Kansas City bullpen. I think to give him trouble for
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of years outside of Harvey, and even there,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: like he's not exactly had the greatest injury history coming
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: through the league. All right, well, we've got another injury
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: for a picture, and this is more of like a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: continuation where we had the Chris Bryant injury a little
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: bit earlier, where I haven't brought him up in the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: past couple months because again, this is somebody who I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: think has just kind of totally fallen off of fantasy radars.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: That is Hazy use Lozardo, the southpaw for the Miami Marlins.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: It's been announced that he's officially done for the season,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and it's been a really tough season. If you were
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: out there acquiring him at the draft table, he was
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a very hot commodity. Battled back injury, shoulder injuries, just
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: all sorts of nasty stuff all season only through sixty
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: six and two thirds with a five RA The Cane
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: hind took a huge step back from being in the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: mid tens to seven point eight can nine this year.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I was interested in Luzardo coming into the season until
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I saw the draft price. And I just don't know
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: if I can ever get behind Lozardo because it does
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: seem like this is oddly one of those guys who's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: always got his backers in drafts, and like I have
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: always loved the profile, I just don't think I can
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: never get behind it because it's like James Paxton two point.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Zero, right, Yeah, that was not the comp I was
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: thinking of, But I'm not gonna disagree with it here.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: It is there's a lot to like always injures throws hard,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: and I think this is the hard one is that,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: like you look at the profile, you look at the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: skill set and it is really really good, and you're
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: just like, if I could only get one hundred and
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: fifty in its out of the guy, if I could
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: only get that, And to your point, I think there's
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: always gonna be guys that like are taking that gamble
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: on him and hoping that he turns into what you
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: want him to be. But like, I think the time
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: is almost starting to pass for that. Like he you know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be twenty seven going to next year, like
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: that's the prime of his career, and we're just not
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: certain he's gonna be able to stay healthy. So I
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if I owned some shares of Lozardo
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: next year. But I'm owning him as like my sixth
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: seventh starter, and I think some he's gonna jump before me,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what it comes down to price,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, it's it's gonna be unfortunate. And
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it's not like he's pitching for a fabulous team who's
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: up the wins, Like there's there's a few knocks against him.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: At this point, I will say, I expect the strikeouse
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: to jump back, the veloss he jump backs. He's just
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: been so banged up this year. Get him a full offseason.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I think that'll be good. But yeah, let somebody else
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: invest here, that's for sure.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, we we have one more injury to discuss, and
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: this one's a little bit of like a personal cheeseball
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: guy for me, just because I've really enjoyed the production
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that win Seal Perez from the Detroit Tigers has put
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: up this year. He is down with an oblique injury
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: and this might end up end up ending his season.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: But if it does end a season, it was a
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: pretty solid kind of kickoff for his career, as he
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: put up a two forty three eighty six slash line.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: But the big thing is he was playing towards the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: top of that Detroit lineup, so he's able to rack
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: up forty nine runs in just ninety seven games, also
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: put up nine homers, nine stolen bases. I've loved his
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: versatility in terms of he should qualify going forward at
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: second base and outfield. I believe. Uh no, I take
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: that back, that was only this year, but he could
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: maybe pick a back up because that second base and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: shortstop eligibility came from his time in the minors, he shured,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: So he'll only have outfield next year. But he's only
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: twenty four, And am I getting a little bit over
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: my skis here? Like I'm looking this is maybe like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: maybe my one weakness in fantasy is like utility guys
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that are switches offer homers and stolen bases and runs
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and play every day like the Willie Castro's Luiswinhefos. I
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: love these types of players, and I do feel like
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: when Seal Perez has the skill set to be able
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to be one of these going forward. What do you think,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: am I am I out of bounds? Or am I
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: is this maybe like my number one blind spot and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I need to try to learn to get over it.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I think both things can be true. Yeah, Like I
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: think to your point, like Prez is definitely one of
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: those players that is useful but not reliable, if that
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: makes sense. Like it's not the guy that you want
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: to go in planning to draft. He's not the guy
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: that you want to go in playing to build your
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: team around. But if you're getting late in the draft
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: and he's still there, and he's like the guy that
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: you don't mind picking up to plug the holes and
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: if you run into injuries, like he's in that mold.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: And that's where I think your point, Willie Castro's those
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: those types of guys have always been useful, but just
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: not the guy you want to rely on. So I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: look at him and I go, yeah, we're probably talking,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you know, at his best. Maybe you're hoping for a
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: fifteen to fifteen season where he's maybe scored or in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: eighty runs something like that, which is very much replacement level.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's what you're getting with with this. Even
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: with what he did this year, he was eight percent
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: below the league average as a hitter, and so like,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's what that's what that's hard about that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: those guys are fun. They kind of there's the scrappy,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: exciting guys because of that, and so that's where I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: think you do need to get over it a little bit.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: But please don't because I want to exploit this next
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: year a fantasy drafts. Yeah, I like it. I think
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: it's useful. He's a bench guy for me.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I guess that I should have like
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: prefaced it with that too. It's not like I'm out
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: there like trying to pay big dollars or really jump
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: the draft on those types of guys. It's more of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: like a hey, I've got a dollar at the end
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: of the draft. Hey, I've I'm going through my bench
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: draft at the end of the auction and I need
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: somebody to fill holes. Especially, I mean, it is replacement
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: level for the big league level from her fantasy game.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: That's actually like a multi dollar player in terms of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: like fifteen fifteen eighty runs, even if the RBIs are
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit light, like because it's just hard to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: find guys that offer that sort of consistency, and especially
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: given where you know Castro and Hifo Perez have hit
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: at the top of lineups. That's what I really am
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: valuing too, that like, you know, this type of player.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I would say, like the line of where it
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: goes too far is when you're starting to get into
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: like the Laoti Tavs, Like that's where it's starting to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: get too risky, and then it does become like, hey,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: this is a total zero for your fantasy team because
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: if you're hitting at the bottom of the lineup, you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: just can't put up the runs in RBI to keep
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: pace that it makes everything crumble. So it is certainly fragile.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: But I think this is also like how you build
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: competitive teams is by like making sure that one of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: these guys is your fifth out fiel, your m I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and just kind of there for you when you need it.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I think it also comes down a little bit too,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: what like how did they arrive at being that guy.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Like this will sound weird, but like how different is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Michael Harris from wincil Perez. Like you're talking about a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: guy that we've struggled, Like he bats to the bottom
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: the lineup, so and get those potentials he's got give
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: me more wrong, he's got more overall talent, he's got
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: a little more power and things like that. But like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: when you actually start talking about the end result, it's
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: not that different. But Harris got all this helium because
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: of what he could become when could where his pres
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: just kind I was just like working his way through it.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Was a solid ballplayer, always useful where he was, and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: so nobody's worried about bringing him up too early and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: things like that. And you end up having a guy
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: at the top of the lineup that's getting all those
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: counting stats versus another guy that maybe has this upside
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: but it's at the bottom of the lineup. It's interesting
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: how they end up like being similar in long term value.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I get that I compared to you guys that were
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: probably not that comparable, But I'm making a point.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I mean I think especially when you're
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: starting to talk about like that's where the differentiation of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: like the barrel rate, and like sometimes it's easy to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: fall in love with the barrel rate because like Harris
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: has slashed a double digit barrel rate in the past,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the guys I'm talking about never have and never will
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: It's the hope of what can be, yeah, versus that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: like I'm comfortable with what you are yeah.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it is like what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: you also mentioned in terms of like that grindiness that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: they have because they're switch hitters. That's how they get
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: to the decent average is by switch hitting as opposed
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: to like actually being good hitters that they're they're poking.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: They're poking balls like across the field and getting and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: getting lucky with the battle ball a little bit. But
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: like they have the ability to get that ball in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the field, which I think does throw some modern kind
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: of like defenses for a loop because you know, they're
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: used to strike outs, homers and walks and kind of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: when it gets in the field, I think it can
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: surprise them players. Okay, well, that's gonna wrap us up
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: for news and notes. Here we will go into some
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: of the baseball release calendar because we had one big
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: addition that was slotted on there today with Bowman Chrome
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: September eleventh. That's a date to release something that's for sure,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and so that will be coming in just under a month.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: That's currently like the tenet of one. I wouldn't be
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: surprised at that shifts, considering that we still have all
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: those other releases coming out that we've discussed eight twenty
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: one Panini Boys Summer eight, twenty three Tops Pro Debut,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: eight twenty three Tops Pristine, eight twenty eight, Panini Prism
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: eight thirty Tops Complete Sets. So this is definitely that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: time of year where I mean Donners has totally fallen
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: off the schedule, where fanatics Tops Panini are shuffling things
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: around as they're trying to get things out before the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: end of season. But the Bowman Chrome twenty twenty four
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: pre sale already went live today. It already sold out.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: You were looking at two hundred and seventy dollars a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: box with two autos and sixty cards in it. So
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I would say the pricing is a little bit better
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: than what we're looking at for Tops Chrome, but you're
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: looking at some pretty steep prices again as people are
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: going to be chasing big time rookies. And we've also
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: got news that Leo Devreese, the number one international prospect
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: from the San Diego Padres, will have his first auto
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: in this product, kind of similar to way Ethan Salas
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: was last year. So it's going to be quite the show.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I think when Bowman Chrome comes out and we'll do
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: a bigger preview then any initial thoughts from you over there, Yeah, I.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Think at the end of the day, it comes down
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: to like, this is a fun set to watch at
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: this point, but yeah, the pricings is going to be
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: the story about it, and the Chrome always is up
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: being a difficult product because you are getting a little
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: bit more into the international prospects, which have a lot
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: more variability, a lot more excitement sometimes but also a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: lot of the variability, and so it's a little bit
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: harder for such prospect but the price tags is no different.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: So fun set it something we should definitely dig into,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: something I'm probably not going to be opening.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was just kind of like thinking that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: as you're you're talking there, I was like, Man, when's
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the next time in my lifetime I'm ever going to
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: open any Bowman Chrome? And I don't know at this
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: rate it's gonna be.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I almost bought like a box of like twenty seventeen
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: or twenty just like what can I find that there's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: literally no good prospects just to say I opened Bowman,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: that's where I've stooped in New Lows.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: That's boy, that is a that's a good one. I Yeah,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I feel you, especially when you're out there like opening
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Big League and stuff. Sometimes, Yeah, you're just like I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: need to open some cards.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting here excited about protebe now.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that it will be a good one. Okay, Well,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: we are going to wrap up the staff here and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: we will be back with some buy sells on some
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: players that we've enjoyed their performances over the past few months.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: So stick around, all right, Welcome back everybody, and for
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: our second half year, we're going to get back to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: our roots of cards and categories. When this is kind
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: of like what we always envisioned this podcast kind of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: always being based in, and that is how do our
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: how does our love for baseball overall, and just like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: how much baseball we consume translate into fantasy baseball translate
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: in card collecting, and I think a lot of that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: as I've heard from people who maybe like it didn't
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: quite fully click, like how interconnected both of those values
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and kind of up and downs track, you know, side
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: by side work until they started listening to this podcast
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: and having conversations with us. And so I think this
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: is kind of like I'm excited because this is kind
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: of classically what we've been doing together since we were
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: like you know, back in like first grade, of like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: tracking which players we thought were breaking out, which players
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: we thought were worth investing in from both Like I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: would say, we're probably taking a little bit more of
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like a dynasty keeper slant here from fantasy values, but
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: certainly I think a lot of what we're going to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: go through is going to apply to twenty twenty five drafts,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: so you can even kind of bookmark this for next spring.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: But certainly same thing with card value that I think
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: we've got a handful of names here that we're going
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to discuss, and not only are we looking at up
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: arrows next to them for that fantasy value, but you're
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: looking at or down arrows. I guess this is buy
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and sell, but we do have more buys because it
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: is kind of more exciting time for those buys right
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: now that you look at players who are reaching a
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: next level or maybe are starting to show signs of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: slowing down, and so I guess we'll just get into
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: it from here. So I'm gonna kick it off with
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the first player that we've got, and that is second
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: baseman from the Washington Nationals, Luis Garcia, and he has
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: been an absolute tear since the beginning of July. He's
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: hitting three sixty three, four oh seven six nineteen for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: one to eighty one WRC plus came with seven homers,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: eight stolen bases. He's up to seventeen dollars in value
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: now in our roto or in our RAS ball Player Raider,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: So that's on the total season since July. Like with
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: that sort of line, he's been certainly nearing a top twenty,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: top twenty five sort of bat, especially when you're looking
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: at that steals and power combo. But this is a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: player who I think has had one of the prettiest
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: swings coming through like the miners over the past few years.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: He's only twenty four years old right now. So Brew,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: what do you love and Luis Garcia's profile and what
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: he can offer for us going forward into the future.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's one of those where there's a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: few things that come together. First of all, playing on
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: the Nationals, like you're he's he's very much forgotten, Like
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: he doesn't he didn't start with a big name, and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: he's got other big, bigger names around him, and so
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: he's just been really really good, but not absolutely unbelievable.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Then also doing a lot, like a lot of the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: improvement kind of mid season. He's just one of those
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that he makes great contact. He really makes sure to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: kind of square the ball up, put it on, put
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it on the line. And then because the rest of
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: his profile is even say just average, it all plays up.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: He can like I said, he even though spread speed
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: is just literally league average. I think we've talked about
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: this a little bit with the Nationals a little free
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: running team this year because what else you got to lose,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: But he's actually been pretty efficient at it, and so
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I really like that. It seems like he's really kind
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: of growing as a natural hitter. And then it's making
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: the rest of his tools play up. It's making his
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: speed a little bit better because he's on base a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: little bit more. It's making the power play a little
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: bit more because he is when he squares the ball
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: up so much, it just happens to leave the yard
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: a few times more So, I really just like the very,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: very well rounded profile, and you know, it's not hard
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: to look at it and be like, yeah, this is
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: the guy that's gonna is in that twenty twenty conversation.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know that he gets there this year, but
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's definitely within reason. It's definitely possible that
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: he can do that. So I think he's gonna be
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: a guy that goes into next year and it's going
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: to be a pretty much a draft steal. I don't
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: think because he's in Washington he's going to get some
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: of that pre draft helium that folks tend to, you know,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: go in the offseason and stop being like, wait a second,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: I missed this. I think that the little bit of
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Washington Tinge is going to keep him to be a bargain.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally agree that, Like, and you can see
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: it just the way that, like this year, he's increased
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: his hard hit rate too, without having to really sacrifice
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: anything from like the rest of the profile. That it's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: just a very smooth swing and you can tell that
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: He's a very pure hitter from the left side. It
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: just kind of took a couple of years longer than
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I think people initially expected for it to all come together.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: He debuted in twenty twenty when he was twenty and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: really came through that national system quickly, especially on the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: heels of like the Juan Soto kind of trained. The
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: hype was very real when Luis Garcia initially debuted, But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I think all that package like works pretty well because
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: not only are lots of people been burnt by him
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: over the past couple of years because of that, but
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: because he debuted so young. Like That's what I've also
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: liked here about the cart collecting is that, like he
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: debuted and his cards were in twenty twenty one, I believe.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Let me just make sure that I have that right. Yeah,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one where his rookie cards. So you've got
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: lots of print runs out there, but also lots of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: cool sets, lots of autos out there. He was included
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: in all sorts of auto inserts in patches and things
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: like that. But the prices has certainly started to creep
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: up a little bit with him being hot, but certainly
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: you're looking at somebody who's twenty four years old, going
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: to be at like four hundred and fifty hits, and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I think on a trajectory for probably a couple of
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: All Star appearances. This is kind of the perfect sort
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of package where we talk about like a lot during
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: the All Star break about guys who start making like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: their first All Star appearance and when it can roll
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: into more. I think Luis Garcia has got a perfect
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: just set up for that in Washington, that you can
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: be looking at somebody who could go down as I
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: think a pretty decent star of this year. This kind
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: of like era in terms of card collecting, and then
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: you just package that in with all the fantasy stuff
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: in terms of people being burnt on him and not
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily I think, always wanting to begin giving him a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: second chance. That I think you're looking at a lot
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: of just great storms coming together to be able to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: find both an investment for fantasy and baseball cards.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you do. You just have to be
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: careful in the market because there's other Louis Garcia's out there.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That's a good point, So just be a little cautious.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I was, I was trying to look just kind of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: to the point that card prices and where where he's sitting,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, he's not too explained, Like, that's
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: not Louis Carcia. It is Louis Garciao, clarify, it's not
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: that Louis Garcia. And so I think they're I think
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you just gotta be careful out there. But to your point, like,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: I think that you can pick him up pretty reasonably
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: price right now. And if you're looking to, especially for
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: a PC, he's a great PC type of gu that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: in a year or two you can making them all
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: star teams like that, the card prices are gonna jump,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: especially in some of those autos, the young things like that.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: They're not too hard to find right now. And I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: was so shocked to the number of Louis Carcia's out there, by.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: The way, Yeah, and he was there. There are a lot,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: let's just put it there. But yes, the oh you
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I was talking about from a print run, you meant
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: total number of.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about a total number of Blue Garcias I'm
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: sitting here, I'm like, man, this is really hard, Like
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: are we talking about the Louis Garcia from the Blue Jays?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: What about the picture for the Astros we have. The
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: prospect for the Phillies was just just be careful when
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: you're trying to buy any Luis Garcia stock out there,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: because you could be easily fooled by non non licensed products.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Let's just leave it.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: That way, Yes, exactly. Okay, Well, let's get to our
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: next player, and that is Logan o'hapi, catcher from the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Angels at Anaheim. He has had a great
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: breakout season in terms of especially just providing value at
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the catcher position, which has been I think it was
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: it's been deeper this year than it has been in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the past, but certainly it's not been to where you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: have You can overlook his performance with sixteen homers now
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: in the season, with a two fifty six average, fifty
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: runs scored and forty six RBI. He is only twenty
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: four years old, and so I think that combination along
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: with a lot of what you were talking about with
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Luis Garcia. You're playing in Anaheim on this Angels team
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: that just doesn't seem like it's going to be getting
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: out of rut anytime soon. So good for racking up
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: just straight raw playing time, great home ballpark, just great
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: situation to turn into a clubhouse leader and you know,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: maybe perennial All Star because there's nobody else around you
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to go in front of you. That a lot of
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the things that I think we just talked about with
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Luis Garcia. There's a little bit more strike and miss
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: and striking miss and swing and miss in Logan O
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Hoppy's game than Luis Garcia. But for a catcher, and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: you're looking at somebody who plays solid defense behind the plate,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: You're looking at the gra directory as somebody who could
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: really turn into one of these league stars out in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Anaheim, California at large.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Are you on board here with Logano on Hoppy?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I've always like O HOPI. I think
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: he's got a really good profile, especially to Agin. It
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: was put in context for a catcher, and I think
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: that's what you like is he's not overly flashy, he's
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: not doesn't seem to be it's gonna be overly injury prone,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: and he's just gonna provide solid everyday production. And I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: think that's like when you look at the catcher position,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I think you either have to invest at
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: the top end or you need to kind of wait,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: like that's generally the approach have to take. And I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: think O Hopy is one of those guys right now.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know how long it'll be this way that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: he's at the beginning of that wait list where he's like, Okay,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I might a little later in the draft pick this
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: guy up. You know, I'm gonna be happy because if
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: he hits fifteen twenty homers and hits you know, two fifty,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just thrilled with that because I got
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: really just above average production and didn't have to pay
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: much for it and didn't get stuck with the twentieth
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: catcher on the board.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're looking for his cards out there,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: his rookie cards were in twenty twenty three sets. He
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: also has a lot of them. He was a pretty
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: big name. But he's also got a lot of very
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: affordable autos in terms of you know that ten to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars range that I think make great investments because
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you know, this is the type of player where once
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: he gets a couple of All Star games underneath his belt,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: like you can start turning those into you know, slight
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: price increases as they come through and you've got all
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: sorts of just like good looking cards. He's a very
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: photographic dude, and I think it's a certainly lots of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: choices out there, and especially now that the twenty twenty
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: three sets have really slowed down and kind of you know,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: flat lined in terms of price, Now is the time
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to strike before you know, Ohapi maybe starts picking up
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, some recognition throughout the league and you know,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: hitting that upswing.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking at his card prices, what's sold is
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: he's really one of those interesting guys right now that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: you that you'd be surprised at some of the prices
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: of some of the cards, but you'd also get some
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: see a ton of deals out there. I think he's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that's probably kind of like a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: PC player type right now, where you know, he's probably
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: got a decent following out in the what would you
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: call it the greater Los Angeles Anaheim type area or
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: something like that at large. But at the same time,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: like it's not like there's not going to be deals
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: out there that you can find on Ohapi. So I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: think that there's I think he's gonna be a fun
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: one from a collector's perspective, and you have to think
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: the Angels are going to try to build around him.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: It's not like you they're going to cast him off
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: anytime soon.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: It does seem that way that they do really seem
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: to love him out there in Anaheim, that anything you
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: ever read from their front office, they absolutely love them.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And you do need some sort of anchor to kind
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: of keep things moving along. And I think, oh, happy
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: is that guy out for the out there for the Angels. Okay, Well,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: next guy that we have is a little bit on
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the other end of the range, I think, and that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: is Francisco Lindor, a shortstop for the New York Mets, who,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: after this evening when he popped a homer, his season
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: line is now up to two sixty three three thirty six,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: four sixty five. That's a one to twenty eight WRC
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: plus with twenty three homers and twenty four stolen bases
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: on pace for his second straight thirty thirty season. He
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: is up to thirty one dollars in our play player Raider, which, uh,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: if we'd said those things after May, I think you
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: might have been a little bit surprised because he did
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: not start out the gate great, but certainly has been
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: a boom for people who stuck with him and gotten
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: through it. The biggest thing that I'm looking at here,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: certainly like for fantasy and Dynasty keeper situations, I am
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: hoping that maybe the Lindor owner out there is still
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: thinking back to what he put up in April and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: May and was really struggling and just did not look
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: like he was going to get of the gate before
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: he caught fire, didn't making the All Star Game, even
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: even though he certainly was deserving of that, But with
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: that just slow start, it it kind of tainted everything
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: from that beginning. So that's what I'm looking for that
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: you're looking at a guy who I think, especially in drafts,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: this is the type of player I love taking. Like
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: if you're on that, like if you have an early
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: first round pick and then you can get into the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: two three turn, popping Lindor a little bit early, like
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: late in that second round sets you up for absolutely everything.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: So like you take in one of your first top picks,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: you know, one of those absolute studs that you're gonna
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: put into your lineup and never move out. Second pick,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: you take Lindor, who can offer you another twenty five,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty thirty. I think I have to
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: like almost pencil them in for a thirty thirty season
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: even next year, and then from there you're the world's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: your oyster. You can go for a pitcher, you can
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: go for a closer, you can go for another huge
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: bat that this is a perfect type of player in
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: that second round. And then when we're looking at the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: card side, by the end of this year, we're already
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Francisco Lindor at a Hall of
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Fame resume. He's at fifty two fangrafts. War the defense
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: is obviously really carrying his profile. But when it's all
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: said and done, you're looking at somebody who's gonna end
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: up like in the seventies, probably seventies eighties for war total,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: and that's an easy Hall of Famer. So when you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: look at his prices right now, I think that's not
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: reflected in the market. I've looked at his rookie stuff
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: as a bit expensive, but overall, like when you're talking what
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: some of the prices for like your Nolan Arnado's and
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: other kind of players that that ILK are right now,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Lindor is not in that range that I think now
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: is the time to buy before, especially in a market
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: like New York. This dude looks like he's going to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of guys that are
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: in that like overall scenario from like a card perspective
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: to Lindor's the gold Smith's I think Aaron I are
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: like guys that are kind of on the back of
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: their back half of their careers. But I think the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: difference with Lindor, you know what we call that was
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: like he's actually not as old as you think. He's
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: just thirty, and I think he's had a few kind
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: of rough starts to a few seasons here in New York,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: which is really kind of tainted the perspective of him,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: that painting him of like this thirty four to thirty
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: five year old, which he's not. And I agree, like
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to love with Francisco Lindor, And I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: think if you compare him to some of those guys
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: who were in the first round, like he's doing what
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: you hope some of them will do, like, and it's
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: this really interesting dynamic of like veterans are still worth it,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Veterans are still great players, and the fact that he's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: done it so long. You know, Yes, everybody can pull
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: in Anthony Rendon and disappear off the face of the earth, right,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: anybody can do that, but you're in year out. This
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: guy is just so solid, so useful. I'm shocked that
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: is because of his personality and just the kind of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: way he plays that he doesn't have a bigger card market,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a bigger fantasy impact, like from a market perspective. So, yeah,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I think this is a great one. I fully agree.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Lindor is an easy buy for me.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just like everything is. It's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: crazy from both perspectives, like how cheap can be had
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: and just like I will take all the shares I can. Yeah,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: especially after back to back thirty seasons, you would you
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: think that the hype would be huge. Okay, well let's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: get into some pictures now. So we're sticking with the byside. Still,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: we're still staying positive, And we mentioned this guy in
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: the top half of the show. If for some reason
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you skipped to the second half, you can go back
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: listen to us talk about his debut that is the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins. Zebbie Matthews as I didn't even give his
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: performance from last night during his debut. I've rattled off
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of minor league stats. But he made the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: debut against the Royals and got that victory, went five
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: innings with five k's, no walks, gave up one homer,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: and yeah it was electric. I didn't even check his
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: stuff plus numbers right now, just to see kind of
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: where those have settled, and it looks like stuff plus
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: isn't up yet. But in terms of the overall pitch bot,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: he's about a little bit about above average on the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: cutter and the fastball, and the slider is in there too.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: All the stuff indicates that he probably should end up
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: having a pretty good slider. Sometimes that doesn't show up,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: I think in the first start, just especially given nerves
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: and trying to get used, you know, to the majors
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: and so ZEBI Matthews, I think you're looking at here,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: a twenty four year old. You highlighted the height and
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: just the be the ability for a guy like this
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: to stick on the pitching mound in the first half.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Cards are pretty limited. You're not looking at too much.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: You're looking at some minor league cards. He has then
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: have a Bowman card. He will have a tops Now
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: card here coming out, So he's going to be I
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: would think, in a lot of twenty twenty five products
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: given what he's going to be putting up here down
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the stretch. And so, yeah, are you out there going
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: to be snapping up Zebbie Matthews cards and shares this offseason? Yeah?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I think I think so definitely from the fancy perspective,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I'll be picking up shares, if not already from a
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: card perspective, you know, you have to be very careful
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: with starting pitching, and so I think that you have
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: to be very careful with him. I do think he's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: one of those guys that will hold some value for
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: the first year or two and then every pitcher kind
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: of fallows off and you can give like burl Ander
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: rookies for like five bucks like it's it's it's a
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: whole different dynamic. But because his current card market is
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: so narrow, like you're talking about like his minor league
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: cards going for ten dollars right now, because literally there's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: nothing out there. And so if you want the guy
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: that just came up made a great debut, you gotta win.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: He threw seventy seven pitches by the way, in that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: five inning start, Like he was very efficient. So you
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: can see this guy going deep into games. But yeah,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: his base cards are just we're just popping off yesterday
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: and today for roughly ten dollars a pop because there's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: nothing else out there. And so I think he's a
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: really fun one to watch, and you know, it's kind of, uh,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: this is a very unfair comparison, so bear with me.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: But like it kind of like when Spencer Strider came up,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: and I don't think the card market was very slow
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: to adapt to Spencer Strider, like because he didn't have
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: you know, he kind of flew through the system, didn't
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: have all these cards and Bowman's and things like that
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: with autos, like like he wasn't huge in that in
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: that like he had one, but he wasn't huge in
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: that set. He wasn't like the Dieu target. And so
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: when he made his break and he showed up in
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: like Series one the next year, his cards were like
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: some they were expensive, but not all of them. There
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: was guys that had no idea who Spencer Strider was,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: and they were selling parallels and autos for five bucks
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: and ten bucks and things like that, and then you'd
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: be like, wait this second, what am I missing? Because
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: then the next one to go for sixty. Like, the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: card market was very slow to adapt to Strider, And
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: that's where I think that there's a comparison with ZEBI here,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: is that he's gonna fly a little bit under the radar,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: I think the rest of the year, only having a
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: few few months, but he would be very very good
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: next year, and you're gonna be picking up his cards
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: for a few bucks, and all of a sudden, somebody's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: gonna realize he's actually pretty good, and then all of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: a sudden, the market's kind of kind of open up
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: for him. So that's what I'm really interested in for
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: mister Matthews.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's totally fair. You're also I mean,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody playing in Minnesota, which isn't exactly
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: like a boon for card collecting and like have a
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: huge demand the way that you know when we're talking
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: about like the Mets, that like it is a little
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: bit more limited, so you can find some pathways to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: be able to make investments. And I do agree that
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: like this has the makings of somebody next year where
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: he could get into the back end of that Minnesota
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: rotation be released in series one. People don't fully know
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: who he is, treat him like a normal starting pitcher
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: in their sales, and then you look at somebody who
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: by the end of the year might be competing for
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year in the American League, and those
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: prices have shot through the roof.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, Well, we're going to go with another picture here,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: and I think of everyone, this one might be like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: when people see this that we might get a few
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: eye rolls, because if you haven't been paying attention, Ryan
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: Nelson has really turned a corner and turned into a
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: very solid picture. Since the beginning of July, he's put
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: up a two ninety era over forty nine and two
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: thirds innings. But the big key here is that the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: strikeouts have started to materialize for Ryan Nelson as he's
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: grown into his overall profile, and it's been one that's
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: been led with just kind of like a so so
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: fastball by like you know, the overall stuff, ratings and stuff,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: and it does seem that he's finally gotten control and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: command of all this as he's twenty six years old
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: and you know, the forty nine strikeouts over those last
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: forty nine and two thirds certainly outstrips what he was
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: doing before when he was putting up k ninees, the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: sixes and sevens and just kind of looked like a
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: really blah starting pitcher. I've been really starting to kind
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: of get interested in him, and he is currently on
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in at that Arizona rotation. But you
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: just had Merril Kelly returning from his shoulder injury, Zach
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Gallon just left his last start with cramps, and you know,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: through like almost two hundred and fifteen innings last year,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: so they've got to watch him down the stretch. You're
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: looking at Jordan Montgomery continuing to struggle here and there.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Eduardo Rodriguez just worked his way back from his shoulder issue,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: so it's not hard to find your pathway back into
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: the starting rotation for Ryan Nelson. This is also a
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: guy who's got cards buried in Commons boxes everywhere, because
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: he was in the twenty nineteen Bowman Chrome set with
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: his first and I mean, I'm sure I've got tons
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: of them because it was everywhere, like it seemed like
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: a card you ran into everywhere. Lots of parallels and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: autos out there that are trading super cheaply. So I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: think it's not even asking that much to invest in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: this guy who could certainly turn around into twenty twenty
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: five and be an All Star. And so, Brew, is
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: there anything like you're really honed in on that has
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: happened for Ryan Nelson this season that you're like, Wow,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: this is really what I was looking for that has
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: taken him to another level of a star pitcher.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: In my mind, Yeah, I thought, well, you did a
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: great job kind of going back and seeing, like showing
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: what he's done recently, which I think people don't realize
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: because when he was first coming to one of minors,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: he was actually really really interesting picture to watch because
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: he was doing a lot of things really really well.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: From the aspect of control, he was pretty high strikeouts,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: He was like a twelve thirteen k or nine guy.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: He was, you know, really showing a lot of great potential.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Then once he got called up, like he definitely took
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: some time to find his path, and then bouncing around
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: at Tripa there for Arizona, which isn't easy place to pitch,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: definitely kind of dampered things on him. And so I
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: think part of what I'm interested in and excited about
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: is like he showed this potential to minors and it's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: just taken a little bit of time to work out.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: And I feel like he's doing it under the cover
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: of night to agree to your point, like he doesn't
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: clearly have a role, but yet why shouldn't he? And
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: so I think that's really exciting because this is one
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: of those guys that could be a diamond and the rough.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: You could go in next year and pick them up
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: at the very end of the draft and be very
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: very happy with what you get with the guy like
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: Ryan Nelson, especially as he's you know, I think he's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: making some adjustments. You can see even like start to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: start his pitch mixes is kind of being played with
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: two degrees. So I really like that the other piece
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: that you called out, and so you're just done a
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: great analysis. That's what I'm getting at is from a
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: card market perspective, there is nobody is in on Ryan Nelson,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: and that is what makes a guy so attractive when
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: you're kind of trying to play the card market. Is
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: you're right, you're in dollar boxes here and you're picking
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: up sapphire first and you're you're picking up autos for
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: a buck, like you can really invest in a guy
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: like this, and if he does hit, you know that
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: dollar auto that you bought for you a refractor out
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: of four ninety nine is now a twenty five dollars card.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: And so there's a lot that you can lead into
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: here with a very very low, low risk Because at
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, you buy an auto Ryan
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Nelson for a buck now, and Ryan Nelson is pitching
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: for the Diamondbacks, it's just kind of middle of the road.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Next year, you can sell a dollar Ry Nelson auto,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: like you're not taking a huge risk, but there's a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: huge upside to it. So a lot of the different
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: dynamics here with Ryan Nelson. So you're right, he's kind
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: of funny to have on this list, But I think
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: I think that he can continue to grow and all
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're gonna look back and be like,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: why did I see this coming? Why didn't I see
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: this coming?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. And this is also something I'm
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: starting to evaluate from cards right now too, is starting
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: to look at some of these playoff teams and look
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: at some of the fringe guys that could be you know,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: just dudes in that playoff run, because I think along
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: with the All Star break in season, obviously, like good
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: performances and debuts help bumps. But in the playoffs, especially
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: when there's just less baseball volume going on and people
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: start migrating over to the baseball card side a little bit,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: somebody like Ryan Nelson that if he has a great
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: outing in the playoffs or somehow like wins an NLCS
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: MVP or something, you know, it's it doesn't take much
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: that like, this is the type of player where that
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: market can really shoot through the roof quickly. And yeah,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: certainly not only like if you you know, are at
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: a card show and are looking for these cards in
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: those dollar boxes. If you are a card collector, Ryan
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Nelson's probably mixed into your commons here and there that
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: like maybe you've got some parallels of that twenty nineteen
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Bowmen Chrome first or is twenty twenty three rookie cards.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: What I do is I like to try to look
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: at the playoff teams and start maybe like planning to
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: dig out cards and players that like I might have
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: sitting in random boxes just to prep for that playoff
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: time and say, all right, I've got some of my
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: diamondbacks laid over here. I've got you know, some of
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: my orioles set up over here, and that way you're
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: able to react pretty quickly on eBay and get those
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: listed when you need to.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's just a ton of fun that's like, this
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: is like prospecting and reverse like. But people don't don't
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: play that game as much. But you're right, it's the
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Randy Rose Arena effect. You get a guy that you're
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: just he's he's got got a lot of cards. He
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like he's doing something. All of a sudden,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: he plans a flag and yeah it was it was
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: worth it.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Next player we have on the by side is
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: rookie Sasaki who is not on a team yet. He
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: is a pitcher over in Japan in the MPB and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: he is twenty two. It's been a little bit of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: a tough year as he's battled some arm issues were there,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: but has still thrown a two twenty year arra gone
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: six and three over sixty nine and two thirds innings.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: The strikeouts have taken a little step back because last year,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: you know, he had a thirteen to four K nine.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: This year, it's more like a ten to six. But
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: everything is pointing to Susaki being posted this offseason, that
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: like he was already kind of making moves and making
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: little kind of hints that he wanted to come over
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: before this season, that there was kind of like some
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: murmurings that like he might be unhappy enough that he
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: might convince his team in the MPB to post him
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and let him come over to Major League Baseball. It
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: does sound like it's probably gonna happen this offseason. So honestly,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: like if you're in a fan Treks league that has
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: like just daily moves, he's in your player pool. I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: can guarantee that I'm in a league that like plays
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: with the full dynasty pool and like you can go
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: pick up Japanese players right now. So certainly keep an
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: eye out for that if you've got him in your
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: dynasty pool right now. But everyone else have to wait
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: for him to sign with a Major league ball club.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: But I think even with the elbow issuy, you're looking
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: at somebody who's got certainly a higher ceiling than Yoshinobo
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Yamamoto when he came over this offseason. And I think
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: that the angle that we want to specifically kind of
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: like delve into here is the baseball card angle, because
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: I know you had a lot of success with Yamamoto
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: cards in last offseason, So are you planning to do
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: the same thing with Sasaki's this offseason?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, you're reading right into it here. This is
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: this is you know, Yamamoto, imon Aga, both guys that
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: I found a lot of success with and picking up
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: their cards and then moving them. You know, there's this
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: interesting dynamic with these players coming over from overseas that
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: there's two things. One, just the general baseball fan baseball
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: collector doesn't know too much about them, like they're they're
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: not paying that close attention to who these guys can be. Second,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: they're not on a team, and so from a you know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: a team collector perspective, you know you're not you know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: you're more likely to pick up the middle reliever in
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: the bullpen than Roki Sasaki because that's he's not on
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: your team and so you're not going to collect him.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: So the only folks that are collecting or there's a
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: subset of collectors out there that really like the Japanese market,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: clearly the Japanese fans, and then there's folks that are
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: kind of prospecting on these guys. But the difference between
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: prospecting on a guy that's coming from overseas, They've already
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: got a repertoire, they've already got a history built, and
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: so when they sign, they are signing as like an
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: all star. And that's what we saw with Yamamoto right
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: when he signed some of his cards and all own
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: like I exploited this to a degree in the card market,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: like you were selling his base cards or some of
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: his inserts like that. You would see like in the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: market here in the US of like a fifty cent card,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: they were going for ten dollars for fifteen dollars because
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: those were the only cards. He doesn't have cards in
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: the top set of things like that. Now there's tops
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: chrome kind of playing in the Japanese market now to
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: a degree. But I do think that there's a lot
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: of potential here. So I've actually been buying rookie Sasaki
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: cards for the last probably nine twelve months, looking forward
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: to next year. Manntaka Murakami is another guy that I
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: see in the same boat, a very very good hitter
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: over in the same league that I believe will likely
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: get posted in this this offseason as well, and so,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: you know, really a fun guy. You can you know,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: his rookie cards roughly like a fifty dollars card right now,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: because there's not a ton of them out there, but
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I picked up a few of those were
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: maybe thirty dollars they but those are going to go
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: through the roof when he comes over, especially he signs
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: in a big market. It's is absolutely going to go crazy.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: So yes, I think this is a really fun guy
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: to go after. There's a ton of upside. And to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: your point, I think all indications say this is the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: off season that he comes over. So if you get
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: a chance to pick up some of his cards, even
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: just the Commons, it's a worthwhile investment and maybe you're
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: getting lucky and he signs with your team.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I mean I think a couple of
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: other factors that I want to mention too, is obviously,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: because all of the cards that he's had so far
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: are from Japan, a lot of the time you're gonna
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: have to get these shipped over from those Japanese sellers
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: on eBay. But because of that, like you can get
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: into more of like a bulk situation where you're buying
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: just like multiple of these cards, you know, even dozens
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: to be able to put them together. And then obviously
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: that reduces your overall cost to be able to bring
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: them over per card. And then like you know, if
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: you have the means to be able to buy in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: that bulk volume, that can certainly help so that you
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: can lower some of those prices. And then I totally
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: agree with you on that, just like signing with a
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: major market team, that there's no way Sasaki signs outside
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: of Robbie La or New York or Chicago, and so
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: like he is going to enter I think a major
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: collecting market, and you should be able to move those
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: cards pretty easily when he signs that contract. And then
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think at that point then obviously we'll
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: have a different conversation on the on the buy sell,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: but certainly that's the kind of time frame that you're
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: looking for on those cards. And then certainly on the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Dynasty League side, like I would say, if you're able
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: to invest you know nearly nothing on him, go ahead
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: and do that while you can, and kind of worry
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: about those issues later and try to kind of maximize
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: that same sort of window in between, because like again,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: like you know, if you are in a league, a
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: home league, that maybe they aren't paying attention to all
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: the overseas and NPP baseball, just like the baseball cards,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: they might not have a great sense of who Sasaki is.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, so bye bye bye wherever you're at.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's get into a couple of guys that
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: we had on the cell side, and sadly one of
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: those his Yoshinoba Yamamoto from the LA Dodgers, And I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: guess I should have brought him up when we were
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: talking about Joe Ryan because he had just about the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: same injury as Joe Ryan, and he last pitched just
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: about two months to the day, so he has been
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: working his way back in the rehab and is getting
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: to moundwork bullpen work still seems a ways a way.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I think Yamamoto's injury was a little bit more serious
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: than Ryan's too, so like there's that factor as well.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: But you know, you're looking at eight to twelve weeks
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: is gonna end up being what you know, Yamamoto is
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: gonna end up being out. I mean, it's already been
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: eight weeks at this point. But certainly he was superb
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: when he threw the tent four innings of two ninety
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: two ball and went six and two this year with
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: eighty four strikeouts versus seventeen walks. But I think the
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: big thing here, I loved Yamamoto coming into the year.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I loved all the stuff that he was throwing. I
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: think he had a great profile. But the one concern
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: that was always kind of giving me pause was the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: size his frame. You know, it's only a five to
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: ten frame. He's five ten, one seventy six. So, uh,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: he's honestly literally like my size, and uh, I know
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I cannot be a workhourse of a pitching rotation as
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: well as like that transition from MBB they pitched once
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: a week in in America and MLB you're looking at
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: every five to six days, And obviously I think that's
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: what kind of got to Yamamoto. When you're looking at
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: that shoulder injury and we didn't even start talking about
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: elbow injuries here. That could certainly be happening, and certainly
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: seems to be something happening in LA with you know,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's something thing where they're doing
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of like a race thing where they're
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: trying to target guys who have indicators for injury and
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: juicing them while they can, or if there is something
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: in the training methods that is causing that pitching to
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: break down. But a lot of those things have me
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: worried about Yamamoto, and I think we're looking at he
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: was one of the hottest rookies for investment this year,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: and that is really peaked in terms of the card market,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: and I think in the long term keeper market even
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: though he's twenty five. From a fancy perspective, I'm trying
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: to find the value I can in him right now
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: because I'm just not sure how this holds up over
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: the long term, and I want to try to cash
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: that in while I still can. To some point, what
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: are you doing with Yamamoto in any leagues where you
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: have them, or would you suggest to those Yamamoto owners
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, it's the risk might just
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: be more than it's worth. And I think that there's
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: still an opportunity where yam Moto's value, whether it's whether
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: it's fantasy perspective, has maintained a lot better than anybody
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: else that would be in the same situation just because
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: of the hype and the market that he's in. I
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: think there's still this like I invested at him at
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: this extremely high prices. You remember, Yo Mota like was
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: going extremely high in drafts. He was absolutely the top
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: ten pitcher and in most of the places, you know,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: his cards were going crazy, like and I don't think
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: folks are willing to admit that he might not hold up,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: and they said, well, it's just this injury, you know.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: But to your point, like, this is the time to
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: that if this is true and he's not gonna be
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: able to hold up, you can still get pretty good values.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Not you not dollar for a dollar, but you're not
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: too far off from like ninety cents on the dollar
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: type of thing from a dynasty perspective and a car perspective,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Like you should be really really happy with that. And
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: if you can get that when you paid like out
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: to Wazoo technical term Wazoo, but when you pay you
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: paid that, you've you've got to kind of capitalize on
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: that and look to move on, like reallocate those resources
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: somewhere else. So I'm I'm hesitant Onyamoto. He very much
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: could come back and just be phenomenal. It just has
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: to figure out the health and push push pitching on
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: that new schedule. But I'm for the value you're still getting.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I think that the risk that he's missing time and
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: not able to do the workload is more than the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: value that you're still getting out of his market.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, And I think that's a lot
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: of this is kind of like I think, when you're
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: working with a huge starting pitcher like this, it can
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: unravel really fast, and so like, while you can capitalize
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: on that, especially this late in a season, like before
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: your trade deadlines, if you do have people in your
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: keeper leagues who see that value in Yamamoto, like I
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: would certainly entertain it, because like who knows where it goes,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: and you might as well kind of like I think
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: it'll hurt a lot less if you miss out on
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: you know, this last three weeks to three weeks of
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Yamamoto and then kind of like let the cards fall
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: where they do in twenty twenty five. That like, especially
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: if you can cash them out for anything on the
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: hitting side, we're getting back to those saves and relievers
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: and closers we're talking about. I think I would be
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: jumping at that chance. Okay, Well, the last guy we
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: have is more of a one that you put in
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: the rundown. So I mean, I'll have you like explain
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: the cell situation here. I can kind of see it
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: and kind of see where you're coming from in terms
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: of especially, I don't know if the peak goes much
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: higher than this year for Cantel Marte second basement for
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: the Arizona Diamondbacks. Little banged up right now with an
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: ankle injury, but it's been a fantastic All Star season
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: for him, as he's hit two ninety eight three sixty nine,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: five sixty one. That's a one fifty two WRC plus
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: with thirty bombs, eighty one RBIs eighty one runs. And yeah,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: is there something in the profile that's he that he's
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: been putting up this year that is really kind of
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: giving you pause about Katel Marte going forward into the
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: future for Dynasty and on the same kind of token
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: with cards.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's not so much that there's
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: like a big warning signs. It's more of that he's
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: at the absolute peak of what he can be and
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: he's done this before, and I think is the big
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: thing for me, twenty nineteen, he had like a season
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: that was early similar to this where he launched thirty
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: two homers. He has averag actually a little bit better.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: She hit a little baby glovely hit two three twenty
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: nine art hit rates of like forty two. Didn't quite
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: hit the century mark there with runs and RBIs, but
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: was right in there ten steals. Like, man, this guy
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: was really good, and he was like a second rounder
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: that next year, and he came back to earth is
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: what it came down to. Well, twenty twenty. I don't
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: know how much you want to put stock at the
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: end of that season, but go to like twenty one
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: and twenty two. He was more of a fifteen homer
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: guy and a five steal guy and still hit for
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: some good average, but like he wasn't that big power
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: hitter that you hoped he was. And he's doing it
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: again and the same things that popped out in twenty
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: nineteen are popping out now, which again he's hitting the
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: ball great. He's he's a great hitter, don't get me wrong,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: It's just he's not a top few round talent and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: you're likely going to be regressing next year in to
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: a fifteen to twenty homer guy. Over the last month,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: his home run for a fly ball rates like forty
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: five percent. It's like one soda, one soda, Aaron Judge
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: and one soda, kind of you know categories here. If
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: you look at some of these same metrics, Aaron Judge
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: looks ridiculous. He looks so scary because he's just like
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: every metric, he's pushed to the outer bounce. But you know,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: he's also kind of a double like career rate, where
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: the entire season he's basically doubled his home run for
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: a fly ball rate. Again, he's he's hitting a little
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: bit better contact this year, so you're gonna see that.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: But he's also one of the best seasons he's ever
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: had from a contact perspective. So just a little regression
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: there too, like a good hitter, that those home runs
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: are gonna fall off the table. And so I think
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: that's really what I'm concerned with kenvil Marte here is
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: that he's his numbers are really really good, and he
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: looks really really good, but there's enough like outsized results
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: that he's gonna go higher in drafts next year than
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: he really should be. I think from the card market perspective,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get that that big boost of of what
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: he you know, he's gonna you could argue, is he's
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: an MVP races. He's probably not quite there, but like
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: you can make that argument, and he's gonna regress next
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: year to a good player, a really good player, even
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: an all star level player, but that's gonna be seen
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: by the card market is falling off a cliff. And
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: in the fantasy world, when you give a second round
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: pick to somebody like this and he performs as a
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: fourth round pick, you're going to be really frustrated. So
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is a massive cell, but I
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: don't think his value is ever going to be higher
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: than it is right now. And you can easily see
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: next year that he is roughly half the production that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: he did this year. So I'm selling kese Ol Marte
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: actually had an opportunity in Dice Toy to acquire him,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: and I had to back away from it just as
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I looked at what he's doing and like, you can't
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: bank on that happening again.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I agree there in terms of like also,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: like you know, he's going to be going into his
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: thirty one, age thirty one season next year, you're looking
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: at somebody who he's also he's increasing his swing rate,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: and like that's tough, like in terms of when you're
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: balancing it out with that overall like just more power
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: profile pet. You can see how it can fall off
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: a click cliff real quickly in terms of if you're
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: chasing too much trying to chase that power, that it
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: can disappear on you. In terms of like the cards too,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: it's never been a big name in the card market.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: Partly is because right now he's only up to twenty
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: seven career war he's getting into the back half of
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: his career that like you're looking at somebody, I mean,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: he's not even really going to go into like the
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Hall of very good that he's going to be a
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of like one of those I think over
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: time he'll kind of shift into like the sands of
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: the league and kind of be forgotten that, Like it's
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: not a great card investment from that as well as
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: like his I hate that like twenty fifteen set that
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: his rookie card is in with the Mariners. That's another
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: factor is that he's done all the work in his
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: career with the Diamondbacks. His rookie card is with the Mariners.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: That twenty fifteen set is just gross looking. I don't
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: I've never liked the design of it when you know,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of got that like weird like cloud
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: gradient on it and stuff, and it's just it never
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: pops really great. And I don't think it's a very
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: well known set. So you've got that factor going in
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: as well as like, I bet if you're in a
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: Dynasty league and you approach the Francisco Lindoran owner with
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: a Catel Marte share, I bet you can get that
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: done and get plus from that Lindor owner. You know,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: if you're looking for something to really solidify you going
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: into next year, what Marte does is he's keeping you
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: behind in that stolen based department. I think a little
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: bit too much when you're talking about somebody who is
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: at the top end of the draft, you know, to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: be able to hit for only power and average, like
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: you've got to be up in like the Juan Soto.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: You know, Aaron Judge tears if you're not going to
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: be running, and even they run a little bit about
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: equal to Marte, So I think he can be a
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of like somebody that can give you trouble
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: if you take him too early in drafts and pencil
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: him in to be too significant of a portion of
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: your team going forward because of all those factors.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a guy in the off season you
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: should be carefully shopping. You don't want to telegraph this one,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: but like he's a guy that's like, yeah, I really
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: need a different position, or I really need an a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: starting pitcher. Like you're not gonna be too disappointed if
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: he picks up a first or second round talent with
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Ketl Marte.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Okay, Well that's going to wrap us up
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: for this week. So brew let everybody know out there
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: where they can read your work and find you.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: Yep, find me over on Twitter slash exit Jay Brewer
• 1:55:42
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• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: Sunday doing your hitter profiles. Top one hundred hitters for
• 1:55:47
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• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: rest of the season. Is starting to wind down. It's
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: hard when you only have a few weeks left to
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: get those rankings up there for a whole lot of meetings,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: So we'll be taking more hitter profiles. Is the season,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: it ends up here, maybe even looking a little forward
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: to next season. So come out interact and say Hi,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: so Cooley. Where can folks find you?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can also find me writing on the weekends
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: on Saturdays at Rasball. I do the waiver Wire profile there.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: So it's going to start winding down here a little
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