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Music Takes Work. Joy Fuels it. · Do Music Differently

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Speaker 1: Reveal the rules.
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Speaker 2: Rewrite your future on your own terms. The conversation starts now.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Do Music Differently with Hydaelyn on W4WN Radio.
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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody. I'm Hydaelyn. You're here with Do Music Differently.
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Speaker 3: And today I'm so excited because this is kind of
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Speaker 3: like the like when life gives you lemons and and
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Speaker 3: you make lemonade out of it kind of episode. And
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Speaker 3: I got, wait, I'm this side. I've got Francine Jolene
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Speaker 3: with me. She is, oh, that's a huge part in
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Speaker 3: how I have been doing music differently in my own life.
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Speaker 3: And I'm very excited to bring her to the show
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Speaker 3: to help me out today to interview our guest, Guilherme A.
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Speaker 1: De Souza.
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Speaker 3: And first of all, Francine, I wanted to give you
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Speaker 3: a second to introduce yourself.
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Speaker 1: Tell everybody who you are, what you do, all that.
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Speaker 4: I'm Francine Julien. As you can see, I'm otherwise known
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Speaker 4: as Princess Francie. And Princess Francie is my inner child.
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Speaker 4: And she is the star of my book series, Sparkle
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Speaker 4: Feathers and Princess Francie. And there's three out right now
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Speaker 4: with one more on the way soon. And they're children's
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Speaker 4: books that are derived from my personal development book that
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Speaker 4: I wrote for adults, which is also written in a
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Speaker 4: fairy tale to make it more fun for the adult
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Speaker 4: because everybody needs more fun. And I'm also Heidi's partner.
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Speaker 4: We're putting together, we're collecting a group of authors together
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Speaker 4: to do an anthology book called Believe You Can, People
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Speaker 4: Who Believe They Could and Did.
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Speaker 3: And maybe you just believe that you could be an
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Speaker 3: author one day and you're going to use our project
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Speaker 3: to get that done. So, yeah, I love working with Francine.
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Speaker 3: I met her at a local Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce
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Speaker 3: meeting for the Clay Chamber.
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Speaker 1: And, you know, I had seen her for a while.
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Speaker 3: Across the room, heard her talk about her business. We
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Speaker 3: hadn't really talked, but As it turns out, you know,
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Speaker 3: when you keep showing up to these things, sometimes all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, like, your paths cross and you realize
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Speaker 3: that you've got some synergy going on.
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Speaker 1: And so I.
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Speaker 3: Always was kind of interested in how do you become
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Speaker 3: an author? And Francine had already done it. And what
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Speaker 3: else I love about Francine's stories?
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 3: She didn't think she was ever going to be a
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Speaker 3: children's book author. It just kind of like happened. And
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Speaker 3: so that's kind of the thing that I love about
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Speaker 3: what I do with my coaching too, is we get
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Speaker 3: to explore all of the aspects of things that you
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Speaker 3: like to do. And sometimes you stumble on opportunities that
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Speaker 3: you are never looking for, that you never thought that
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Speaker 3: you were going to have, which is exactly how Francine
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Speaker 3: and I started like working together.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 4: Right. Hey, Heidi, would you like to do a retreat
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Speaker 4: one day?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that's that is pretty much how that conversation started.
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Speaker 3: And we learned we have a lot to learn about
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Speaker 3: putting on a retreat. But what this is what I
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Speaker 3: always like to look for. What is a gift or
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Speaker 3: opportunity in a certain situation where maybe you felt like, wow,
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Speaker 3: I really screwed this up. I made the wrong choice.
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Speaker 3: Why was I even thinking about this? And for Francine
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Speaker 3: and I, we had started this live stream. And what
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Speaker 3: was great about it is at the time, I was
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Speaker 3: telling myself that alone, all by myself, maybe no one
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Speaker 3: would want to listen to anything that I would want
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Speaker 3: to ramble on.
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Speaker 1: And I would be very hard to ramble on all
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Speaker 1: by myself.
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Speaker 3: And Also, like what happens if I'm sick and like
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Speaker 3: I need to make sure that I'm showing up for people.
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Speaker 1: And what if I let people down?
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Speaker 3: And Francine, when we were talking, you pretty much said
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Speaker 3: to me like, wow, I'm I'm kind of experiencing the
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Speaker 3: same thing. Like I would like to try and do
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Speaker 3: this live streaming, but it was the tech for you.
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Speaker 1: And what else was there for you?
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Speaker 4: It was totally the tech. I was fine going on
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Speaker 4: other people's stuff. It was the thought of doing it myself.
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Speaker 4: And with a partner, everything is easier.
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Speaker 6: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And that's how I felt too. So we have been
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Speaker 3: doing the Believe Retreat for a long time. And the
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Speaker 3: reason I'm so excited for Francine to be here today
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Speaker 3: is because without this project that we had started together,
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Speaker 3: without Francine's belief in what I could accomplish, and You know,
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Speaker 3: after seeing what Francine was doing, my belief in what
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Speaker 3: Francine could accomplish. I mean, Francine, I'm more, I'm still
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Speaker 3: more tech savvy than you, but tell everybody like your biggest,
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Speaker 3: like tech breakthrough that you've had, because like it all
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Speaker 3: started with us, like working on this project.
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Speaker 1: It did.
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Speaker 4: It just, it definitely started with us doing this. And
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Speaker 4: then I learned how to use the, the streaming platform.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't so scary anymore. So I asked my
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Speaker 4: children's authors group, what if we live stream? And we
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Speaker 4: started live streaming. Then I asked my Toastmasters group, huh?
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Speaker 4: What if we do three hours of improv to show
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Speaker 4: the world how fun improv is and how it can
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Speaker 4: help your communication skills? And we did it. And I'm
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Speaker 4: getting ready to do this model for several other groups.
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Speaker 4: So I've started this whole campaign of using streaming to
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Speaker 4: help different organizations build their membership or promote themselves, get
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Speaker 4: more visibility. And I'm finding, too, that if you're a
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Speaker 4: content creator, live streaming not only gives you that 30
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Speaker 4: minutes of your live stream, but all kinds of content
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Speaker 4: to use that you can repurpose that live stream. It's
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Speaker 4: just amazing. And the people we're meeting doing it.
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Speaker 1: Yes. And I mean, we're possibly going to go to France, right,
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Speaker 1: next year?
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Speaker 4: Possibly, yes. And if you want to go to France
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Speaker 4: with us, all you have to do is become an
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Speaker 4: author in our anthology.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
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Speaker 3: So, Francine, I want to thank you so much for
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Speaker 3: joining me today because I have someone very near and
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Speaker 3: dear to my heart. You know, when I started on
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Speaker 3: my journey to doing music differently, I didn't just want
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Speaker 3: to start and what everyone else was doing. I wanted
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Speaker 3: to provide the resources and the connections that I felt
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Speaker 3: I was missing as a young artist. And I wanted
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Speaker 3: to be able to bring other people up with me.
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Speaker 3: And I know like there's so many distractions and so
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Speaker 3: many things going on. And it's so easy just to
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Speaker 3: be like, just show me what to do. I'll do it,
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Speaker 3: you know, and everything will be good. You know, we'll
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Speaker 3: just get it done. We'll all be happy. We'll be
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Speaker 3: making money.
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Speaker 1: We'll be successful. It'll be great. But I'm here to
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Speaker 1: tell you that it doesn't work that way. You're different
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Speaker 1: from me. Francine's different from me.
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Speaker 3: And you know, that's very cool because Francine and I
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Speaker 3: have very different skills and together we become very strong.
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Speaker 3: And so this whole do music differently thing, one of
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Speaker 3: the main messages I want you to hear There are
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Speaker 3: other people out there that have shared big visions to yours.
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Speaker 3: And you can work together when you realize that you
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Speaker 3: have different skills. And I am so excited to bring
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Speaker 3: on Guilherme today and.
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Speaker 1: Introduce him to you. Guilherme, why don't you come on
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Speaker 1: out here? Hey, Guilherme.
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Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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Speaker 3: See, this was the kind of lemons I was talking
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Speaker 3: about with lemons and lemonade.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Like what happened Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were trying to live stream Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: Eight minutes into our live stream and poof, there it goes.
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 4: And we tried a couple more times and they didn't
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Speaker 4: even render.
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Speaker 3: So Guilherme is from South Brazil.
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Speaker 1: And he and I.
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Speaker 3: Were introduced by a lady named Wendy Craft.
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Speaker 1: She's an awesome, awesome woman. Love her.
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Speaker 3: She is an amazing mentor to a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: And so she was talking to Guillerme and she connected
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Speaker 3: the two of us. And at the time I was
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Speaker 3: just making this switch. I decided that I really wanted
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Speaker 3: to take the knowledge that I had learned about emotional
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Speaker 3: intelligence and business, like a business plan kind of thing. Like,
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Speaker 3: coaching normal businesses on how to be successful and make money. Well,
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Speaker 3: what if we applied that to people that were working
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Speaker 3: in the music industry? Because one of the biggest breakthroughs
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Speaker 3: that I had while I was working on my own
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Speaker 3: music was connecting all of the things I was doing,
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Speaker 3: running someone else's business to, oh my goodness, like this
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Speaker 3: is the same thing that I'm doing with music, except
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Speaker 3: music is a product. It's not, you know, the stuff
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Speaker 3: that I'm selling at the retail store.
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Speaker 1: It's a song.
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Speaker 3: And then it even tied into the kinds of things
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Speaker 3: that I was learning in college where it was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: when you're selling something, you're actually selling yourself. And then
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Speaker 3: that got me thinking, well, what am I really selling?
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Speaker 3: And Francine said it earlier. She talked about.
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Speaker 1: The inner child.
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Speaker 3: And that's something that I like to help artists connect
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Speaker 3: with is who is that inner child? Who were you
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Speaker 3: before the world had any kind of expectations on your shoulders? Francine,
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Speaker 3: do you want to talk a little bit more about that?
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Speaker 4: Wait, our guest is here.
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Speaker 1: All right, Guilherme, you're here.
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Speaker 5: I'm back, I'm back here.
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Speaker 6: I just have a problem with the internet here because
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Speaker 6: I'm apartment.
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Speaker 5: What I'm renting here. So it's a pleasure for us
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Speaker 5: to be here with Mrs. Heiselin.
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Speaker 6: She has been working with me for more than three years,
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Speaker 6: three and a half years in the mastermind. She's the
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Speaker 6: owner of the mastermind back in Jacksonville. So helping musicians
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Speaker 6: and artists to organize the agenda. We discuss like.
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Speaker 5: Music production, music industry issues, genres of music.
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Speaker 6: I am a guitarist, singer, and songwriter for a heavy
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Speaker 6: thrash metal band called Spiritual Devastation from South Brazil, Santa
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Speaker 6: Catarina State. And I also have a solo work, a
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Speaker 6: little bit more commercial, kind of more hard rock influence,
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Speaker 6: and they're still having. And I'm also a guitar teacher,
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Speaker 6: a guitar coach here. And teaching some people here in
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Speaker 6: Brazil to speak English and helping them.
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Speaker 5: To reach their goals, too.
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Speaker 6: Like, there's a lot of entrepreneurs and musicians that really
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Speaker 6: want to, and students who want to speak English, so
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Speaker 6: I'm helping them with that, too.
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Speaker 5: So that's what I'm doing.
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Speaker 6: And I'm planning to go to UK next year to
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Speaker 6: record and launch my career there in London studio and
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Speaker 6: take the next step And I'm also a big, big,
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Speaker 6: huge fan of the U.S. And especially for the culture,
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Speaker 6: the music, and a lot of great music artists out there.
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Speaker 6: And it inspired me and myself to play at the
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Speaker 6: Met on Freshman. And a lot of bands that influenced me,
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Speaker 6: you know, Metallica, Exit, Testing, even the more commercial stuff
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Speaker 6: like Vin Haley, of course, and so many others.
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Speaker 5: And for me, a little bit of the Met too.
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Speaker 6: Death Leopard, Iron Maid, Saxon, and bit more heavy stuff
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Speaker 6: so i love music with every genre of music that
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Speaker 6: actually touched me or now i can see you know
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Speaker 6: some emotion there some presentation and good music and you
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Speaker 6: know i'm really hard that i can inspire me to
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Speaker 6: to pick up the guitar and write songs i also
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Speaker 6: teach the people here just with the music side but
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Speaker 6: also with the the language at least you know why
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Speaker 6: i'm still here so it's a pleasure to be here
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Speaker 6: with mrs heisling and we have a new single coming
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Speaker 6: very soon uh i think for Next week, we just
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Speaker 6: had a delay because of the streaming. Because nowadays, it's
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Speaker 6: all digital and they're waiting for it. So I was
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Speaker 6: just talking with our producer here and he's still waiting too.
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Speaker 6: But I think it's very soon going to be out
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Speaker 6: there to the world to hear our new single called
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Speaker 6: Beyond the Edge.
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Speaker 5: So it's a pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Well, we're definitely very excited about that. We're going to talk,
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Speaker 3: we'll remind people about that before the end of the episode.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 3: you decided that we were going to choose to talk
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Speaker 3: about the rule, success has to be earned through sacrifice.
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Speaker 3: And what I think is very interesting about your story,
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Speaker 3: which I can talk a little bit more because we
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Speaker 3: have known each other for a very long time, is,
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Speaker 3: you know, metal and thrash, the kind of music that
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Speaker 3: you're talking about, is not very popular in Brazil.
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes it is. Yes, yes it is.
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Speaker 6: Very quick, but You know, at least for me and
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Speaker 6: my band, it's hard to find gigs and play more
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Speaker 6: American thrash metal and also the classic heavy metal. Because
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Speaker 6: the market here is not getting too healthy for metal bands.
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Speaker 6: But I think America has a great, great crowd for
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Speaker 6: that because of the hustle.
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Speaker 5: And especially because of the culture. All those bands came from.
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Speaker 6: California or New York and some, you know, Wisconsin too
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Speaker 6: has some good bands coming from there.
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Speaker 5: And other places, of course, man.
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Speaker 6: And for me, it was a group of Europe and Spain,
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Speaker 6: like Basel, the UK, Germany, Sweden, and more.
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Speaker 3: Now, I think it was like two years ago, you
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Speaker 3: got the opportunity to join the band that was covering Metallica.
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us a little bit more about that.
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Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go. Metallica, by the way, I'm just
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Speaker 5: bringing the beat here.
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Speaker 6: It was a big, big influence in our style, not
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Speaker 6: just my style, the band's style.
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Speaker 5: Because it's the one.
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Speaker 6: Of them, we can go a little bit further out there,
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Speaker 6: one of the first thrash metal bands that came from California. So,
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Speaker 6: always them, first the Killin' All record, and lastly the
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Speaker 6: old school Metallica for me, but the new records too.
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Speaker 6: And Exodus, Testament, so many others that were a little
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Speaker 6: bit more heavy. And we got a gig here. It's
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Speaker 6: a kind of just, it's a tribute band, kind of
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Speaker 6: cover band. And we are just, everything stopped because of
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Speaker 6: the COVID stuff. And we stopped the gig. I lost
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Speaker 6: my drummer and I got a call from a friend saying,
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Speaker 6: hey man, we have this opportunity to play, I know,
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Speaker 6: a five days gig in the other state here. Just
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Speaker 6: Metallica tribute. Are you interested? Let's make it happen. So
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Speaker 6: after the five shows, this man is a really good man.
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Speaker 6: Because I'm also an original songwriter, and their sound, the tune,
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Speaker 6: the tuning stuff, and also the lyric style, it wants
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Speaker 6: me a lot to write songs and go there and
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Speaker 6: play heavy metal, thrash metal. And you've got a very,
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Speaker 6: very big one and a half year just during all Brazil, man.
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Speaker 6: São Paulo, Santa Catarina State, you know, We were in
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Speaker 6: the south of Brazil. Argentina, we did Paraguay. It was
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Speaker 6: like an old-school kind of touring stuff.
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Speaker 5: Buzz, man. Bring some good stuff. And also, during the gig,
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Speaker 5: they said, hey, man, we have two more tributes for you.
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Speaker 5: Guns N' Roses.
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Speaker 6: We need you to play Slash and Malcolm from AC.
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Speaker 5: They said, can you make it? So let's go.
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Speaker 6: So there were shows that were playing, like, three characters
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Speaker 6: in the same day.
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Speaker 5: And I'm like, that's it. Flash and Malcolm, the same show.
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Speaker 6: But it was a big gig, so I needed to
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Speaker 6: stop because I needed a break to focus on my
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Speaker 6: original work, too. And the teaching, also, because it'll be
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Speaker 6: a little bit of a financial step, too, because there's.
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Speaker 5: A lot of road, man.
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Speaker 6: I needed to sleep a little bit more and get
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Speaker 6: a little bit more healthy. And now I'm very happy
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Speaker 6: with the result here. Really, really good production at the
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Speaker 6: virtual station.
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Speaker 5: Just waiting for it. But Metallica, I was there for me.
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Speaker 5: I was there. We were just here. I was with
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Speaker 5: my roads here. I was here in France. And just overall,
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Speaker 5: by the way.
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Speaker 1: So, Guillermo, let's talk a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: You were getting to a really good point about, like,
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Speaker 3: you were kind of reaching that point of burnout.
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Speaker 1: And, like, we had been, so we meet every week.
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Speaker 1: And we meet with a group of people.
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Speaker 3: And everybody that's meeting together, they're all working on their
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Speaker 3: own music projects.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 3: And they're long-term projects. You know, none of this stuff,
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Speaker 3: the results are going to happen overnight. So how long
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Speaker 3: would you say that you were with that band that
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Speaker 3: you were touring? Was it a year and a half
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Speaker 3: or two years?
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Speaker 6: One and a half year. And I'm stopping gigging here.
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Speaker 6: So I needed to talk a little bit because of
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Speaker 6: the help stuff. And I couldn't sleep. I needed to
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Speaker 6: focus on a little bit more in my original work.
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Speaker 3: So I just want to slow down on this point.
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Speaker 3: This is something that Francine and I do every week
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Speaker 3: with the believer treat live stream. It's 30 minutes to
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Speaker 3: just slow down. Now let's just think about something for
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Speaker 3: a minute. And we do this too in the three
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Speaker 3: P mastermind, but what was happening as we were talking
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Speaker 3: about what he was trying to do is, and, and I, uh,
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Speaker 3: would like you to, uh, continue this story for me,
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Speaker 3: Giler me, but you were talking about being out on
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Speaker 3: the road and how it was, it was difficult for
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Speaker 3: you to, uh, stay in shape. You were starting to
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Speaker 3: feel kind of burnt out. And besides that, you didn't
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Speaker 3: have time to do the teaching, which you love to
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Speaker 3: do the teaching and you weren't having the time to
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Speaker 3: create your original stuff.
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Speaker 1: So even though you were out there, like, let's just
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Speaker 1: say like live.
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Speaker 3: In the dream, man, like out on tour, like playing
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Speaker 3: the most, like most awesome songs like ever. And like,
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Speaker 3: I saw the pictures of the crowds that you were
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Speaker 3: playing in front of too. I mean, that was a
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Speaker 3: super amazing accomplishment and, and you're.
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Speaker 1: Super duper awesome.
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Speaker 3: Like tour bus picture, like you, like you had like
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Speaker 3: an awesome gig going on there, but it, it still
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Speaker 3: just didn't feel right for you.
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Speaker 1: So there was something more that we were talking about
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Speaker 1: every week.
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Speaker 3: Do you can you talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 3: like that period of time and what you were thinking about.
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Speaker 6: Sure it's because uh is we just know kind of
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Speaker 6: living during the nighttime and i guess there are some
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Speaker 6: shows that just could sleep like one hour two hours
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Speaker 6: between the gigs man traveling 10 hours you know traveling
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Speaker 6: and 12 hours traveling and hitting another city and another
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Speaker 6: one and going back to.
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Speaker 5: The hometown, picking up the bus and traveling again.
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Speaker 6: And so I just reached the point that I couldn't
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Speaker 6: sleep no more. So I said, man, I need to
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Speaker 6: stop a little. I would do just a freelance stuff
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Speaker 6: if you guys are interested in that.
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Speaker 5: And I need to focus a.
20:26
Speaker 6: Little bit more on the teaching and the original because
20:29
Speaker 6: also because of the money making, you cannot stop. When
20:32
Speaker 6: you're not touring, you need to or teach, you know,
20:36
Speaker 6: or be a teacher or whatever. or find it on
20:38
Speaker 6: the other plane, you know, or find a better place
20:42
Speaker 6: for you to play with your original band. We can
20:45
Speaker 6: talk about that point very soon here. And so that's
20:49
Speaker 6: what happened, you know, so I need a break now,
20:53
Speaker 6: and also to do a little bit of training a
20:56
Speaker 6: little bit more, and just nod. like but uh yeah
21:00
Speaker 6: for me it's important to train like aerobics and stuff
21:03
Speaker 6: like that to keep your singing your healthy well to
21:06
Speaker 6: to play real life gives me you know so that's
21:09
Speaker 6: what happened but i played one or two shows now
21:12
Speaker 6: you're known i think was last month right very good
21:16
Speaker 6: it was like more of everything like three songs four
21:18
Speaker 6: songs we just play a fact like or a beer
21:21
Speaker 6: manifest when a german city german fluency of brazil so
21:25
Speaker 6: that they.
21:26
Speaker 5: Have kind of german But it was very cool, man,
21:29
Speaker 5: because now playing cellophane is.
21:30
Speaker 6: Not just always a pleasure, but to play it professionally
21:33
Speaker 6: is very cool. And also because of my girls, I
21:37
Speaker 6: don't want to be a cover band forever. I need
21:40
Speaker 6: to create my own riffs, the lyrics, and stuff like that.
21:44
Speaker 5: So that's what happened.
21:47
Speaker 6: Then I just reached a nice school here that was
21:49
Speaker 6: teaching English, because I was not playing gigs anymore. So
21:53
Speaker 6: the teacher at the school here, by the way, I'm
21:56
Speaker 6: I'm just quitting site 30 days. And this English teaching
22:03
Speaker 6: opportunity just appeared for me because, you know, the phones
22:06
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. And I needed to, when you're
22:11
Speaker 6: not playing a full-time gig, you find enough stuff.
22:15
Speaker 5: Concentrate on your own works. And that's what happened.
22:18
Speaker 6: And I'm also teaching, like, an exportation company here, logistics company,
22:22
Speaker 6: because they want to, the owner, the founder wants wants
22:25
Speaker 6: me to teach them the more Americanized English, stuff like that.
22:29
Speaker 5: And I say, let's go, man. Let's make it happen.
22:33
Speaker 6: And I was also looking for the opportunity to earn
22:39
Speaker 6: more money to travel Europe next year to focus on teaching.
22:45
Speaker 6: And not just teaching, but in the original work, too,
22:48
Speaker 6: because I have a solo release of platforms out there.
22:52
Speaker 6: And England is definitely a better cultural place to be, man.
22:56
Speaker 6: America too, but it has this whole visa stuff, politics now,
23:00
Speaker 6: and I don't want to touch these. And it would
23:02
Speaker 6: take so much time. It's too expensive for me. The
23:04
Speaker 6: UK was like the... I have a friend that lives there.
23:07
Speaker 6: He's the owner of a studio and he's recording there.
23:09
Speaker 6: And I studied there back in the days, man. I
23:13
Speaker 6: think it was three years ago, something like that. It
23:16
Speaker 6: was just right before I joined.
23:18
Speaker 5: And then.
23:19
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I think I'm planning to go back
23:22
Speaker 6: to my original work for Europe and the UK.
23:26
Speaker 3: Which is also some of the things that we talk
23:29
Speaker 3: about in the Mastermind, because as a musician, you probably
23:33
Speaker 3: are going to need more than one revenue stream.
23:37
Speaker 1: So what is it that you can do?
23:39
Speaker 3: And so one of the things that Guilherme has always
23:43
Speaker 3: been really passionate about the United.
23:45
Speaker 1: States, the US and learning English.
23:49
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons why he joined our community
23:52
Speaker 3: was so that he could be around other Americans that
23:55
Speaker 3: were thrown around slang and talking really fast and being
23:59
Speaker 3: able to develop his English. And that led to an
24:04
Speaker 3: opportunity where now he can help other people develop their
24:09
Speaker 3: English so that they can open up other opportunities. And
24:13
Speaker 3: it plays, you know, we were talking about with Landon
24:17
Speaker 3: a couple episodes back, like having your plan B support
24:20
Speaker 3: your plan A. Sometimes like everything that you're doing might
24:25
Speaker 3: not necessarily be exactly music related, but But, like, one
24:30
Speaker 3: thing that Guilherme does that's so cool with his English classes.
24:35
Speaker 1: Is he incorporates music stuff with it.
24:38
Speaker 3: And we've brainstormed about, like, telling them to practice karaoke
24:44
Speaker 3: stuff and picking out, like, their favorite songs that are
24:46
Speaker 3: in English and singing along to them and stuff like that. Guilherme,
24:50
Speaker 3: how has that been going?
24:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, I also use music for the students, especially young ones, man,
24:55
Speaker 6: the teenagers, you know.
24:57
Speaker 5: For me, it was like the, it's kind of a
25:00
Speaker 5: point of view about the education.
25:02
Speaker 6: Instead, because it's easier for you to learn what you're
25:05
Speaker 6: very interested in. In your teenage years, it's the period
25:09
Speaker 6: of your life where you have your expectations and, you know,
25:14
Speaker 6: your desires, your dreams. Some people want to be, you know,
25:17
Speaker 6: an artist or a musician, or like me, I started
25:20
Speaker 6: playing gigs and, you know, just, you know, working for
25:22
Speaker 6: Heavy Metal was like 14 years old, playing live.
25:26
Speaker 5: Playing live games.
25:26
Speaker 1: The inner child, Francine.
25:29
Speaker 5: Yeah. It was 13.
25:31
Speaker 6: 14 years old, playing at the Metal, Darren, Iron Maiden, Breeze,
25:34
Speaker 6: and Theo, and Ozzy.
25:36
Speaker 1: I can just picture you there.
25:38
Speaker 3: So, Guilherme, we gotta take a quick break, but when
25:41
Speaker 3: we come back, we are going to wrap up rewriting
25:45
Speaker 3: this rule that there has to be sacrifice if we're
25:48
Speaker 3: gonna make it.
25:48
Speaker 5: Let's go.
25:49
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26:28
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. I'm Heislin. I'm back here with my co-host,
26:31
Speaker 1: Francine Julien, who is.
26:33
Speaker 3: Also my co-host at the Believe Retreat live every Tuesday
26:38
Speaker 3: at 4.30 p.m. And I'm also here with my guest,
26:42
Speaker 3: Guilherme D'Souza.
26:44
Speaker 1: Did I say that close enough? Did I get your
26:48
Speaker 1: name right, Guilherme? It took me forever to be able
26:51
Speaker 1: to say your name at least close to it.
26:52
Speaker 6: Yes, now you can say Guilherme or, you know, my
26:55
Speaker 6: artistic name is called G.A.
26:57
Speaker 5: De Souza. It's more Americanized for me.
27:01
Speaker 1: Or we like to call you Gil sometimes, you know.
27:03
Speaker 5: It's okay, it's okay.
27:04
Speaker 6: It's super easy, like short. It's easier for you guys
27:07
Speaker 6: to pronounce, man. But you say Guilherme, it's okay for you.
27:11
Speaker 3: So we were just exploring Guilherme's journey from Brazil to
27:18
Speaker 3: one day the United States. And he's doing music differently
27:23
Speaker 3: because he is sticking to what makes him happy. He's
27:28
Speaker 3: not going to play a different kind of music just
27:32
Speaker 3: because that's what everyone around him would like to hear.
27:35
Speaker 1: He's going to stick to what it is.
27:37
Speaker 3: And it's not even not even accepting a gig that,
27:41
Speaker 3: you know, he could play all of his favorite songs
27:45
Speaker 3: like at every show and get paid for it.
27:47
Speaker 1: It's more than that. It's being able to.
27:50
Speaker 3: Create the music himself and share those songs with other people,
27:56
Speaker 3: which has been what we've been exploring lately. And so, Francine,
28:04
Speaker 3: I just wanted to check in with you.
28:07
Speaker 1: You've been listening to us for a while.
28:09
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you can think of that you
28:13
Speaker 3: want to ask Gilaire May?
28:15
Speaker 1: There is.
28:16
Speaker 4: How much belief in yourself did it take to say,
28:20
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it my way instead of the
28:22
Speaker 4: way everyone said you should?
28:25
Speaker 5: Very good question out there.
28:28
Speaker 6: You need to believe a lot in yourself and your
28:30
Speaker 6: bandmates and your great objective. And I always, always love
28:35
Speaker 6: the American music, Wesleyan. One of my goals is to
28:39
Speaker 6: play a gig in the U.S. and play in a
28:41
Speaker 6: choir and be a real musician out there. I haven't
28:43
Speaker 6: met a musician or whatever, a teacher, too. I really
28:46
Speaker 6: like to teach. But it takes a lot of, I think,
28:51
Speaker 6: a straight-minded decision and believing in yourself to do it
28:57
Speaker 6: like that. And I think you have to leave some
29:01
Speaker 6: things behind and decisions people in your country look to
29:03
Speaker 6: you like, this is going to grow this. and other things,
29:06
Speaker 6: but I think that's what it takes, man. Concentration and
29:12
Speaker 6: discipline and whatever, man.
29:14
Speaker 5: So I think that's it.
29:15
Speaker 4: I would love to read about your story in the
29:18
Speaker 4: Believe Anthology.
29:22
Speaker 3: You know, that's another great way we can work on
29:26
Speaker 3: your English skills. We just write a chapter in the
29:29
Speaker 3: Believe Anthology and we get your.
29:32
Speaker 1: Story out there for everyone.
29:33
Speaker 4: We have a French author.
29:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, man. Well.
29:40
Speaker 3: is the kind of stuff that I'm trying to bring
29:43
Speaker 3: out in this show is these kind of stories because
29:47
Speaker 3: you hear a lot about the popular people in music.
29:52
Speaker 1: You hear a lot about Taylor Swift.
29:55
Speaker 3: You hear a lot about the popular people, but There
30:00
Speaker 3: are a lot of people that are working in music.
30:02
Speaker 3: They're doing it differently and they're doing it their way.
30:06
Speaker 3: They're doing it on their terms and they're figuring out
30:10
Speaker 3: how to make it work, which is one of the
30:13
Speaker 3: reasons why I really love working with with Guillermo, his
30:17
Speaker 3: tenacity at sticking to this. And working towards the next
30:22
Speaker 3: thing has been so inspiring to me. And Guilherme, I
30:28
Speaker 3: want to give you this time to talk a little
30:31
Speaker 3: bit more about what you got coming up with that
30:34
Speaker 3: new song.
30:35
Speaker 5: Okay, with the band?
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up with the new song? Tell us. Tell
30:41
Speaker 1: us about Spiritual Devastation.
30:43
Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go, Elton.
30:45
Speaker 6: We finished everything, the recordings, the production, with Studio Hill Chorus,
30:50
Speaker 6: all records in South Brazil, it was a print of
30:51
Speaker 6: mine too. And it was a very good production, but
30:54
Speaker 6: we had a delay because the drummer got some problems
30:57
Speaker 6: with time for the recording.
30:59
Speaker 5: So we needed to record the drums.
31:01
Speaker 6: And also the release, because nowadays everything is online, so
31:05
Speaker 6: we use apps and streaming platforms like Amazon Music, Deezer,
31:10
Speaker 6: Spotify and more. We released that, it was like October 1st,
31:15
Speaker 6: and we are waiting for it to come out, I think,
31:19
Speaker 6: in the next three or four days.
31:21
Speaker 5: So that's what we are waiting.
31:24
Speaker 6: But the name of the song is called Beyond the Edge,
31:26
Speaker 6: you know, and it's a very, you know, it's kind
31:30
Speaker 6: of a headbanger journey.
31:32
Speaker 5: Because, you know, I have metal, international music, metal.
31:36
Speaker 6: Because it's a situation when you are sometimes with no money,
31:42
Speaker 6: have to just know, you know, for a little or
31:44
Speaker 6: a few money and stuff like that. And myself, I mean,
31:48
Speaker 6: I'm living alone and just living my real life.
31:52
Speaker 5: It helps me with the recording, the video stuff, the
31:54
Speaker 5: Instagram stuff.
31:55
Speaker 6: I have a lot of videos and covers and original
31:57
Speaker 6: riffs and stuff like that and guitar skills. And I
32:00
Speaker 6: also have problems with the bandmates and fights, you know,
32:03
Speaker 6: and people laughing in the band and finding new members
32:07
Speaker 6: and going to the studio, finding money to record and recording,
32:10
Speaker 6: trying to find gigs and everything. And it's so hard
32:14
Speaker 6: beyond the air just to talk specifically about that. It's
32:20
Speaker 6: always a positive thing, okay? I like to negative write
32:24
Speaker 6: and stuff. But it's kind of more heavy stuff that
32:26
Speaker 6: I put some other things, elements there for writing.
32:29
Speaker 5: I have some bands that.
32:30
Speaker 6: I just don't use and not compliment anybody, but I
32:33
Speaker 6: have an inspiration myself to write. One of them is
32:37
Speaker 6: the British department, and of course, the Panthers. They're a big,
32:41
Speaker 6: huge Panthers fan. They love the songwriting, the styling, and more.
32:48
Speaker 5: So that's it.
32:49
Speaker 6: Beyond the Edge is something very simple for all you guys.
32:53
Speaker 6: We hope you're bringing a very good song and a
32:56
Speaker 6: very good music for it.
32:57
Speaker 5: For people that like.
32:58
Speaker 6: Heavy metal, thrash, and thrift metal, hard rock, I always
33:03
Speaker 6: wanted to play. Of course, a rock and roll record
33:07
Speaker 6: was like The Destruction, Tens of Roses, and stuff like that.
33:10
Speaker 6: But also for me, in my personal life, to reach
33:15
Speaker 6: the point where you have to choose some kind of decisions,
33:18
Speaker 6: are you.
33:19
Speaker 5: Going to stay here, are you going to travel, or
33:21
Speaker 5: take other.
33:24
Speaker 6: other way of your life, your bandmates going to join
33:28
Speaker 6: you or not.
33:29
Speaker 5: So talk about that, man.
33:31
Speaker 6: Headbanging is a way of life and how hard it is.
33:38
Speaker 6: But I think I'm very proud of the situation too
33:42
Speaker 6: and proud.
33:42
Speaker 5: Of the new material.
33:43
Speaker 6: So talk about that and if I can reach other
33:46
Speaker 6: people and not just you don't write songs just for
33:48
Speaker 6: you to listen or if you're a band but for
33:52
Speaker 6: other people too. to be, you know, inspired for E2.
33:55
Speaker 6: I hope to find artists inspired by my story and
33:58
Speaker 6: things that I had. Also, you know, the bands, all
34:03
Speaker 6: situations in 2019, globally like that, no places.
34:06
Speaker 5: To play, no events and more and stuff.
34:10
Speaker 6: And then it got inside you because it's the thing
34:12
Speaker 6: that you want to continue. You want your creation up there.
34:16
Speaker 6: You're the only original sound right now.
34:20
Speaker 5: So that's it. Talks about that and I think an
34:22
Speaker 5: answer for her has been.
34:23
Speaker 3: Well, and I think you hit the nail on the
34:26
Speaker 3: head there with talking about getting your story out there
34:30
Speaker 3: and now being able to take that clarity about what
34:34
Speaker 3: you know that you want to do and tell other
34:37
Speaker 3: people so that you are able to find those right
34:41
Speaker 3: people to collaborate with and create that vision that you're
34:46
Speaker 3: thinking about. And I wanted to mention that because next
34:50
Speaker 3: year you are going to the UK. So one of
34:52
Speaker 3: the things you've been working on is you want to
34:55
Speaker 3: connect with more bands, more musicians, like-minded to you, heavy
35:01
Speaker 3: thrash metal.
35:02
Speaker 5: Of course.
35:03
Speaker 3: Find Guilherme on Instagram. Guilherme, this is going to be
35:07
Speaker 3: on podcasts where people aren't going to see it. So
35:10
Speaker 3: tell everybody what your Instagram is and how they can
35:12
Speaker 3: connect with you.
35:13
Speaker 6: You can find me as Guilherme, underline, out of that, eight,
35:18
Speaker 6: A-L-B-E-R-G-E is Souza with Z.
35:24
Speaker 5: And just now, you can message me there.
35:26
Speaker 6: I'm offering guitar classes or also putting the information from
35:30
Speaker 6: the band. And I use it also to follow other musicians,
35:34
Speaker 6: other bands, especially for my genre. So you can have
35:37
Speaker 6: this networking and find some gigs out there. So if
35:41
Speaker 6: someone is aspiring for it or wishing to have us
35:46
Speaker 6: playing in some venue, as soon as possible, just drop
35:50
Speaker 6: me a message. It's going to be a pleasure to,
35:52
Speaker 6: you know, give a good answer.
35:53
Speaker 5: So that's it.
35:55
Speaker 6: Now, we also have the band's page, a new one
35:58
Speaker 6: that we did a year or so before, to bring
36:00
Speaker 6: the information, like the release and stuff, the gigs and
36:04
Speaker 6: all the pricing stuff, too, because we didn't plan.
36:07
Speaker 5: And that's it.
36:08
Speaker 6: It's always a pleasure to play music and reach out
36:10
Speaker 6: to people out there.
36:12
Speaker 5: And follow other people, because not only is it you,
36:14
Speaker 5: It's how it works.
36:15
Speaker 6: You follow them and observe their playing, their tune, their
36:20
Speaker 6: influences too, and you bring some elements or new or
36:24
Speaker 6: old ones for your band.
36:27
Speaker 5: And that's it.
36:28
Speaker 1: All right. Awesome.
36:29
Speaker 3: And Francine, did you have any.
36:32
Speaker 1: Questions for Guilherme to wrap this episode up?
36:36
Speaker 4: I do. I'm just wondering, did you ever read a
36:41
Speaker 4: book or find a mentor? who helped inspire you? Because
36:47
Speaker 4: I see you as a mentor and someone who can
36:50
Speaker 4: inspire the next generation of singers.
36:53
Speaker 5: That's great. Thanks for that.
36:56
Speaker 6: Yes, I have some musicians that inspire me to play.
37:00
Speaker 6: I have a ton of young people here who are
37:03
Speaker 6: singing right now. And I always, you know, I watch
37:06
Speaker 6: a lot of documentaries and interviews from people that are
37:08
Speaker 6: inspiring me to play.
37:09
Speaker 5: I was huge. We were saying about Metallica. We're watching
37:14
Speaker 5: the whole production.
37:15
Speaker 6: Of the records, Master of Purpose out there and stuff
37:18
Speaker 6: like that.
37:18
Speaker 5: Pantera and stuff.
37:20
Speaker 6: I was very influenced by Philip Tunes. I think he's
37:23
Speaker 6: an amazing frontman. And his story, too. And the struggles
37:27
Speaker 6: out there and how tough it is. Definitely for me, too.
37:31
Speaker 6: And it's sent to another direction. But... For me, too,
37:35
Speaker 6: the struggles and the grinding road, man, and other things. But,
37:41
Speaker 6: you know, for me, it was like that, you know,
37:42
Speaker 6: like documentaries or watching a lot of DVDs, band stories,
37:47
Speaker 6: their interview, their point of view, their point.
37:50
Speaker 5: Of view, what it is music, what is culture, what
37:52
Speaker 5: is heavy metal or hard rock and stuff like that.
37:55
Speaker 5: And books, too. I have one here in Portuguese from
37:58
Speaker 5: Tanayami and other things, man, also. And for them, learning.
38:03
Speaker 6: as far as learning with the struggles and when you're
38:05
Speaker 6: playing live shows, there's a lot of them and trying
38:08
Speaker 6: to get inspiring, inspiring element 42 and 42.
38:13
Speaker 1: So I also, Francine, I see there's, there's some comments here.
38:18
Speaker 3: Where can people get that plushie behind you? And what
38:21
Speaker 3: exactly is this plushie's name?
38:23
Speaker 4: This is Sparkle Feathers and he is my brand ambassador
38:27
Speaker 4: and the star of all my books. And you can
38:29
Speaker 4: find him in my books on personalchangewarriors.com. That's my website.
38:36
Speaker 3: Are they also an audio book or are they just
38:39
Speaker 3: in physical copies?
38:40
Speaker 4: Right now, they're just physical copies. It's on my list
38:44
Speaker 4: of things to do to get them on audio. As
38:47
Speaker 4: soon as my computer is fixed, this isn't my real computer,
38:51
Speaker 4: so please forgive me for my video quality. But when
38:55
Speaker 4: my computer is fixed, I have... a YouTube channel for
38:58
Speaker 4: the kids called Sparkle Feathers TV. And I read my
39:03
Speaker 4: books on YouTube for the kids. And I'm going to
39:06
Speaker 4: put some more content up. And then for my adult book,
39:10
Speaker 4: it's going to be a Kindle audio book one day.
39:13
Speaker 4: It's in the works.
39:15
Speaker 1: Awesome.
39:16
Speaker 5: Awesome.
39:18
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Francine, for being here today. Guillerme, thank
39:23
Speaker 3: you for being here today. I am so excited to
39:27
Speaker 3: be working with both of you on these creative journeys.
39:34
Speaker 3: I had no idea that I would find myself here
39:38
Speaker 3: while I was doing music differently. So with all that
39:43
Speaker 3: being said, oh, and I also want to do also
39:45
Speaker 3: comment here out to the pipe band. He's been posting
39:50
Speaker 3: the last three episodes. You could win some concert tickets
39:54
Speaker 3: if you go and subscribe. Gil Airman, you probably want
39:59
Speaker 3: to do this. Pipe Man, if you're not listening to him,
40:03
Speaker 3: totally metal show. Yeah, you want to hear it. So anyway,
40:10
Speaker 3: he's put something in the comments there, so definitely check
40:13
Speaker 3: that out.
40:15
Speaker 4: I see another comment ask for my website again. It's personalchangewarriors.com.
40:24
Speaker 1: Perfect.
40:24
Speaker 3: Oh, and I should probably also mention that my website's
40:28
Speaker 3: scrolling at the bottom of the screen, which is heidselincoaching.com, H-E-I-D-Z-A-L-Y-N, coaching.com.
40:39
Speaker 1: If you go there, you're going to find out more
40:41
Speaker 1: about the Believe Retreat. This is awesome. a partnership between.
40:45
Speaker 3: Me and Francine, and we are trying to get your
40:49
Speaker 3: stories out there, helping you get them told, helping you
40:53
Speaker 3: get those stories published, because yes, it does help you
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Speaker 3: do music differently. It helps you do a lot of
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Speaker 3: things differently when you're able to publish your story and
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Speaker 3: when you are clear about what your story.
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Speaker 1: Is and where you're going. And believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: people do want to hear it.
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Speaker 3: So, For all of you out there, identify one part
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Speaker 3: of your music and also one part of something outside
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Speaker 3: of your music that brings you joy and make sure
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Speaker 3: that you're setting aside time for it. Make sure that
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Speaker 3: the plan B that you have in place for your
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Speaker 3: life isn't stealing time away from those activities, those creative
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Speaker 3: activities that bring you joy. And definitely take a little
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Speaker 3: time out. Take a little believe retreat for yourself once
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Speaker 3: a week just to look a little closer and examine
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Speaker 3: the rules that you've put in place for yourself. Where
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Speaker 3: have they come from? Who told you those rules? Why
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Speaker 3: do you think that's going to help you get to
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Speaker 3: where you want to go? And if it seems like
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Speaker 3: it's not matching.
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Speaker 1: Up, maybe.
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Speaker 3: It's time for a little rule rewrite. So Francine Guillermet,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for helping me tell this rule
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Speaker 3: rewrite story today. Everybody check these two out. They're totally
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Speaker 3: you ready to rewrite?
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Speaker 1: Your next breakthrough could begin with one new rule.
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