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Inevitable Tigs: Sweeney, Skubal Snatch Series Sweep In The Land · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tacker Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieran
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Speaker 1: Seckley with me as always a man who almost got
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Speaker 1: a long lived rock Tech two, but then he thought
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Speaker 1: better of it. He is Cody, David Egg and.
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Speaker 2: Dune did Karen.
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Speaker 3: I'm here in Cleveland, still inside progressive fields. I would
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Speaker 3: I would recommend going to the Rock and Roll Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame if you guys haven't been there before.
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Speaker 2: It's a nice time. Not just rock and roll music
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Speaker 2: represented it.
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Speaker 3: They're really a nice representation of all things music, storytelling, writing.
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Speaker 2: So I'm a fan of the place.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny you say that, Cody, because
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Speaker 1: this weekend in a lot of ways was a representation
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Speaker 1: of all things gritty Tigs, or as I put on
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Speaker 1: ag was inevitable Tigs. Because that's kind of like, that's
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Speaker 1: kind of what I thought watching this, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: play out the way that it did, because you have
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Speaker 1: Friday and that's just kind of a classic divisional battle.
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Speaker 1: Tigers come out on top. You have the one to
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Speaker 1: one game. We've had a couple of those actually, now
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Speaker 1: that I think about the one one game where Casey
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Speaker 1: myve shoves and and Torque goes yard uh you know
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Speaker 1: and one zero win. And you know, so basically two
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Speaker 1: games that could be you know, could go either way.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, hit here, you know, blah blah.
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Speaker 1: We all understand that. And then it kind of feels
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Speaker 1: like Sunday is gonna be like one of those. All right, well,
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Speaker 1: you just don't necessarily have the magic. And then and
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Speaker 1: then the magic just like came out of the hat
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Speaker 1: in like so many ways that we're hard, hard to
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Speaker 1: comprehend in the moment, hard to describe afterward, which is
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. But it but like you can
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Speaker 1: play with us. I've said this before, like if you're
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Speaker 1: the Tigers, this is like the mentality I think that
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Speaker 1: that they have. It's like you could play with us,
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Speaker 1: but you're you like, but you can't really play with us,
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Speaker 1: Like eventually we're gonna get you. And it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: it might be Riley Green, it might be Spencer Torres,
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Speaker 1: and it might be Terrek Schoogle. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: Tray Sweeney hitting the first home run of his major
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Speaker 1: league career off of fastball opposite field.
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Speaker 2: Against Kate Smith, one of the best fastballs in the league.
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Speaker 3: Like it turned into the one more uncanny games I've
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Speaker 3: ever seen. The only reason that that situation existed was
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Speaker 3: a two out, two strike wild pitch from Emmanuel Class
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Speaker 3: that actually barely trickled beyond the dirt behind home plate.
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Speaker 3: Bo Naylor just didn't know where the ball was. McKinstry
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Speaker 3: happened to be anticipating that exact situation. He was only
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Speaker 3: in the game because he's pinch running for Tork. And
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Speaker 3: keep in mind Torque was on first base for a
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Speaker 3: whole bat or wintle Perez flied out and they were
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Speaker 3: watching from the dugout and saw man Class is like
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Speaker 3: his time is pretty slow.
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Speaker 2: From the stretch. He's going high leg kick. Let's put in.
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Speaker 3: Zach because that is going to either give us a
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Speaker 3: chance to steal or he's gonna have to start going slidestep.
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Speaker 3: Maybe that'll throw him off, Maybe he'll groove a pitch,
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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get lucky. Zach gets second, advances a third,
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Speaker 3: scores ties the game.
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Speaker 2: Whatever.
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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I didn't think the Tigers were gonna
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Speaker 3: win this game. I mean, their bats were just lifeless.
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Speaker 2: They're at bat.
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Speaker 3: The back quality was I would argue, as poor as
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Speaker 3: it has been really all season.
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Speaker 2: It just didn't It just didn't have that feel.
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Speaker 3: You know, we knew, even after a terrific outing from Schoogle,
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Speaker 3: the bullpen was a little tax.
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Speaker 2: You knew they're having to go Bailey Orn or Chase
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Speaker 2: Lee and I was like, Okay.
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Speaker 3: Once the Guardians got on the I was like, maybe
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Speaker 3: you know, this is just one of those days they're
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Speaker 3: not gonna win. Well, I was wrong, because, as we
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Speaker 3: just laid out, McKinstry, Sweeney, Riley Green once the floodgates open,
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Speaker 3: gets his first hit against the Guardians all year, which
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Speaker 3: is absurd. So a lot of absurd things happen in
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Speaker 3: a very small amount of time. You look up and
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Speaker 3: it's seven to two and the Tigers are leaving Cleveland
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Speaker 3: with a sweep, and everyone is happy.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I like to kind of especially when
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Speaker 1: we do these post game pods, like I like to
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Speaker 1: kind of figure out, is this the greatest example of
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Speaker 1: X just kind of tongue in cheek, be reactionary. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if there's ever been an extra inning like
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Speaker 1: outing where three guys got off the Schneid in some
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Speaker 1: way like Tray Sweeney, like with the home run Matt Verling.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget about Matt Verlely hitting one down the
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Speaker 1: left field line. And then Riley Green, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: like three guys that in some sort of fashion were
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Speaker 1: in slumps. Uh you know you but Riley Green a
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Speaker 1: little bit different than the other two. But but all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, like all of a sudden, the bats,
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Speaker 1: the bats were live and and you know, like the
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Speaker 1: class A thing, the mckinch Like, we're not gonna because
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Speaker 1: so many other stuff has happened and happening, we're not
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about McKinstry enough. Like I'm just like, it's
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Speaker 1: just we're gonna It's one of those things. I just
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Speaker 1: know it. But it should be talked about with the way.
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Speaker 1: I mean a tremendous jump trum one of the better
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Speaker 1: jumps I think I've seen h say there to you know,
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Speaker 1: make it really not close. Uh you know, you got
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Speaker 1: to get the replay in there, but uh, tremendous jump
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Speaker 1: and then like it gets over to third and then
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Speaker 1: like very high baseball, IQ is what got him there,
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Speaker 1: you know, got him on base, Like you know, with
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Speaker 1: the pinch run situation and then very high baseball IQ
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Speaker 1: by him is what allowed him to score. I like it,
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Speaker 1: Like you said there, it wasn't like a wild wild pitch.
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Speaker 1: It's just kind of like a scoot and pitch. Uh
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Speaker 1: and and he was aggressive enough big extension lead. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't even a play there. I'm not sure how
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Speaker 1: many he's probably the only he probably plays that the best,
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Speaker 1: maybe Parker out of anybody on the team, because you know,
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Speaker 1: mix of speed, instincts and uh and grit so like
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Speaker 1: so like everything's everything's hunky dory right now in Tiger Land,
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Speaker 1: even though Tiger Twitter was kind of melting down a
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Speaker 1: little bit today. But that's okay, that's that. That's part
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Speaker 1: of the that's part of the experience. But you, like
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Speaker 1: I said, you're in Cleveland, Cody, and you know things
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Speaker 1: were it wasn't necessarily all good vibes, you could say.
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Speaker 1: After you know, the Washington series, it you know, pitching
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Speaker 1: was ugly and uh and you had just inexplicable things
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Speaker 1: happened given guys like you know history or at least
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Speaker 1: how they played this year. McKinstry error's Kinley in the
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Speaker 1: eighth ending there so like, if there was gonna be
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Speaker 1: one of those, all right, here's our real kind of
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Speaker 1: slump here it is, here's the July slump here a
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Speaker 1: little bit, you know, it would be a series like this,
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Speaker 1: and it kind of played out in a way that
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Speaker 1: it could have been, but the tigs are inedible, so
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Speaker 1: it didn't. But I am curious, like team body language, messaging,
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Speaker 1: all that stuff kind of coming into this series, Like
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Speaker 1: what was that like? And then you know the consequential wins,
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Speaker 1: including today, you know, like Clubhouse Field vibes test wise.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the National Series was obviously pretty sloppy,
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Speaker 3: you know, the final game in particular, And someone asked
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Speaker 3: a J. Hinch like, bro, you know, do you have
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Speaker 3: to call a meeting or something after that series? And
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Speaker 3: in typical AJ fashion, he said, you know what I
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Speaker 3: did after that game. I took a shower, I got
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Speaker 3: on the plane, I came home, I went to sleep.
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Speaker 2: I started studying the Guardians.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think, you know, it helps have a
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Speaker 3: huge division lead.
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Speaker 2: You know, not let one series bleeds into another too much.
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Speaker 3: But I can't think We'll say I think AJ was
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Speaker 3: a little chippy day one here in Cleveland.
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Speaker 2: I think the.
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Speaker 3: Players were maybe a little tense, Like I think you
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Speaker 3: kind of feel just that they were coming off a
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Speaker 3: tough series. Just that it's July, We're almost here to
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Speaker 3: the All Star break. I think some guys are feeling
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Speaker 3: a little bit tired. Even though they left the sweep,
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Speaker 3: the Bats were not there to speak of until the
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Speaker 3: tenth inning here in this series, Kiaran, So, like I said,
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Speaker 3: I think the vibe certainly shifts with the emotion that
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Speaker 3: came with Sunday's win, But I think there was I
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Speaker 3: don't even want to call it tention. I think I
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Speaker 3: could just kind of send some fatigue with that Midsummer like,
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Speaker 3: all right, everyone's kind of just trying to get themselves
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Speaker 3: to the All Star break, and I'll be curious see
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Speaker 3: if that persists at all in this homestead or sweeping
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Speaker 3: the Guardians, winning and thrilling fashion will almost be like
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Speaker 3: an emotional reset for everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And we're gonna talk some Tererek Schooble, because
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9:34
Speaker 1: you always gotta you gotta like find new ways to
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Speaker 1: talk about Trek schoolbl And, and I think I found
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Speaker 1: like another way to kind of contextualize just how great
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Speaker 1: he is.
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Speaker 2: Cody.
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Speaker 1: So you know the line, I'm sure everybody's aware. Seven innings,
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Speaker 1: three hits, ten K's no no walks, has has himself
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Speaker 1: an emphatic finish as as he does as his tradition
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Speaker 1: for a Terek Schoogle start. Uh I wanted to bring
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Speaker 1: this up so in the sixth inning, so this was
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Speaker 1: the ending in which uh Kwan kind of jam job
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Speaker 1: inside out right over the left side of the infield
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Speaker 1: for a base hit. Before that ending, the FanDuel Sports
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Speaker 1: broadcast show the graphic and it was like they gave
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Speaker 1: the odds for Terrek Schoobl to go three up, three down.
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Speaker 1: Now obviously he didn't, as we just said with the
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Speaker 1: quant hit, but the odds for Terrek Schoobl to go
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Speaker 1: three up, three down in the sixth inning, not the second,
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Speaker 1: not the first, you know, not the third, fourth, fifth
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Speaker 1: in the sixth inning. The odds for that were minus
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Speaker 1: one fifty five, which is like a heavy, heavy favorite outcome.
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Speaker 1: Like it like there if you were from a gambling perspective,
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Speaker 1: there's no value there, right, So like that's that's that's
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Speaker 1: the new way to look at how great Trek schoobl
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Speaker 1: was today is in general, is that in the sixth
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Speaker 1: ending of the game against the team with you know,
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Speaker 1: Polton bats, like you know, Kwan was in and it
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Speaker 1: was minus one fifty five for him to go three up,
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Speaker 1: three down. That's how big.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, third time around the order. But I hate to
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Speaker 2: say it kind of makes sense. You're facing a lineup.
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Speaker 3: That is in a really bad way right now in
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Speaker 3: turns as a zero one.
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Speaker 2: So math just kind of says guys don't.
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Speaker 3: Get on a base against him very often, especially the
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Speaker 3: Cleveland Cardians don't have great hots.
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Speaker 2: To give him one base Kwan. We saw Kuan two
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Speaker 2: hits today.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, what a great ballplayer he is. I I
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Speaker 1: love hate to watch them. I'll tell you that. Same
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Speaker 1: thing with Jose Ramirez. Hell, same thing with Kate Smith.
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Speaker 1: But uh, but it's just it's just one of those
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Speaker 1: things that a lot of you know, we've seen a
11:54
Speaker 1: lot of tie shifting from narratives of past and you
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Speaker 1: know this might be another one here. Cody with the
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Speaker 1: Way to Talk played Cleveland this weekend. But with school Bol,
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Speaker 1: you know, another kind of delaying the bearing the lead
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Speaker 1: a little bit. School Bol is your fourth All Star
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Speaker 1: for the Detroit Tigers. That was announced on Sunday. That's it,
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Speaker 1: which was kind of anticipative. He started kind of doing
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Speaker 1: the number a little bit, uh, based on who was
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Speaker 1: wide and needed to be in and blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: But he is a starter for the second consecutive year.
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Speaker 1: He is the I love this. He's the first Tigers
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Speaker 1: pitcher to be a back to back All Star since
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Speaker 1: do you know it? Gregor Bay, Derek Scoolbell, Gregory Soto
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Speaker 1: hold the same acclaim at least one very specific accolade.
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Speaker 3: Especially now covering a team that isn't just given like
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Speaker 3: the sympathy All Star to check the box. It is
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Speaker 3: kind of ridiculous how those altered the construction of the roster,
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Speaker 3: like someone like Will vest or Tommy Kinley probably is
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Speaker 3: not going to the All Star Game in part because
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Speaker 3: they are only a you leave spots and you have
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Speaker 3: to have you know, someone from the White Sox has
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Speaker 3: to be represented so they have a picture going to
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Speaker 3: the All Star Game. And you know that's preventing better
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Speaker 3: players from being in the All Star games.
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Speaker 2: Kind of silly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. I get it from a
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Speaker 1: marketing perspective. Everybody's you know, all that stuff, But yeah, maybe.
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Speaker 2: Just have a bigger roster, like they make it a
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Speaker 2: little bit bigger.
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Speaker 3: And if some guys don't get in the All Star
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Speaker 3: Game because they shouldn't really be All Star as well,
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Speaker 3: that's okay. I guess that's not good for the mark
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Speaker 3: because they want people to watch your guy all right.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how to solve that problem, but it's
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Speaker 3: just it's just a little bit silly. In fact, Gregory
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Speaker 3: Sota was a back to back all start.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay for it to be silly, even if
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Speaker 1: we don't have a better system. Basically, I think is
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Speaker 1: the point there and and and so that. So it's
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Speaker 1: almost like not even exciting to say Trek School is
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Speaker 1: an All Star. We obviously knew he was gonna be
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Speaker 1: an All Star, but the big question now is will
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Speaker 1: he starts the game. And I'll be honest, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: people kind of like the American League gets kind of
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say like short change, but you know,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the wildcard standing, it's not like
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Speaker 1: all that impressive, right, but if you look at the
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Speaker 1: starting pitchers that made the All Star team, uh, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of like the other murderers Row
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And you know, yeah, freedom there,
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Speaker 1: Crochet obviously, Schoolble like it. It is highly impressive. So
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Speaker 1: it's not a Hunter Brown shout out. So it's like
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Speaker 1: it you want to be able to say, like it'd
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Speaker 1: be a dumb decision to not start Schooble, and I
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Speaker 1: probably would say that, but I can't say it's like
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Speaker 1: it's insulting if he didn't start, because yeah, and these
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Speaker 1: are some really really high end starting pitchers in Image
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Speaker 1: League Baseball that are representing the American League. I think
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Speaker 1: Schooble has earned it with his plate excuse me, with
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Speaker 1: his blade this season and coming off of Cy Young
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Speaker 1: and being on the one of the best teams, the
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Speaker 1: best team in the American League. I think all those
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Speaker 1: things say, as long as it lines up, teams are
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Speaker 1: you know they agree to this, gree to that, blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah, as long as everything lines up, I don't
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Speaker 1: think you can. I think it would be an injustice
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Speaker 1: to Terrork Schooble to not start them. If at the
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Speaker 1: same time, like, it's not like they're not good candidates.
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Speaker 1: I just want to give those guys respect because they're
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Speaker 1: all great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I don't know, I am.
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Speaker 3: I am I biased for thinking Schooble has descended to
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Speaker 3: where he has the most marketing value and is simply
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Speaker 3: the most electrifying pitcher to watch. Like Chris Bubich is great,
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Speaker 3: he's not captivating an audience like he is Terrek Scouble,
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Speaker 3: and I would argue the same even for a Max Freak.
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's just because I watch every school start. I don't,
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Speaker 3: but that's how I feel. I think this is the
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Speaker 3: guy you want on that stage. I think Terrek Schouble
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Speaker 3: should start the All Star Game. If I had to
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Speaker 3: guess today, I don't think he's going to start the
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Speaker 3: All Star Game. He has one big thing working against him.
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Speaker 3: The manager of the All Star Game is Aaron Boone.
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Speaker 3: I would argue the second contender and probably maybe the
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Speaker 3: biggest name in this crap of pitchers is Max Freed,
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Speaker 3: who happens to pitch for the New York Yankees. If
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Speaker 3: you're Aaron Boone, it's probably not worth pissing off your
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Speaker 3: ace just to appease MLB or whoever, and or just
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Speaker 3: to appeace Derek Scoogle and name him the starter. So
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Speaker 3: unless Max Freed comes to Aaron Boone is like, no, man,
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Speaker 3: I'm good. I think Max Freed might start the Alstar Game,
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Speaker 3: which is gonna be a bummer for the Tigers Tigers fans,
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Speaker 3: I think, kind of for the game at large. I mean,
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Speaker 3: this might be the chance to get that Scheme Schooble matchup,
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Speaker 3: which would be pretty fun to watch in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: even if it's all one inning, so it doesn't really
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Speaker 3: matter a ton a ton. I think all these guys
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Speaker 3: are scheduled the pitch on Saturday, and Hunter Brown's I
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Speaker 3: think scheduled the pitch on Sunday, so he may not
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Speaker 3: even participate. Otherwise, all these guys are going to be
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Speaker 3: short rest. It's gonna be about the same. We'll see
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Speaker 3: what happened. Schooble said he would love to start the
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Speaker 3: All Star Game. It's something he wants to do in
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Speaker 3: his career. He also said he wouldn't be offended if
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Speaker 3: he doesn't start the All Star Game, So I was
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Speaker 3: hoping for the line who was he said, like, if
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Speaker 3: I ain't starting, I ain't departing. I think that would
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Speaker 3: have been cool. I think that's what he should have said,
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Speaker 3: but he took a class year off.
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Speaker 1: Also, I don't know, like if this will actually play
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Speaker 1: out or be a thing. But where did Max spend
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Speaker 1: all of his career before going? And where is the
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Speaker 1: All Star.
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Speaker 2: Game at Atlanta, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so there's like a you know, professional sports like
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Speaker 1: homecoming element to that story that may or may not
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Speaker 1: like work against school ble as well there. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, we'll see.
18:00
Speaker 3: Uh.
18:02
Speaker 1: Before you kind of wrap up some All Star stuff,
18:04
Speaker 1: you think, is there any snubs in your mind? Like McKinstry,
18:09
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of hoping he would get named
18:11
Speaker 1: today because it would be really cool to have like
18:14
Speaker 1: him have that moment with the with the steel and
18:17
Speaker 1: the and scoring the tie and run and then he
18:19
Speaker 1: gets named an All Star obviously for the first time
18:21
Speaker 1: in his career. But he's currently at two point four war.
18:26
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like he's gonna get added Bregman,
18:29
Speaker 1: Penya Hurt or coming back maybe around All Star. You know,
18:33
Speaker 1: it's a real fuzzy It wouldn't make sense for those
18:36
Speaker 1: guys to play. But congratulations be named an All Star.
18:38
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like he's got to be like
18:40
Speaker 1: first up. I mean he could literally now we could say,
18:42
Speaker 1: like like play every position except for catcher. Now we
18:46
Speaker 1: can say every single position.
18:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.
18:50
Speaker 3: There's some other guys Junior Camanaro who certainly have compelling cases.
18:55
Speaker 3: I didn't expect mckinstrey to be named an All Star
18:58
Speaker 3: here on Sunday, but I do think he's on a
19:00
Speaker 3: very short list of guys who could be named as
19:02
Speaker 3: injury replacements.
19:04
Speaker 2: So something aj Hinch.
19:06
Speaker 3: Said, like, I'm kind of telling Boonie, like, you know,
19:09
Speaker 3: managing the All Star Game gets a little crazy at
19:11
Speaker 3: the end.
19:11
Speaker 2: You need someone who you can just put in any spot.
19:14
Speaker 2: I got a guy for you.
19:16
Speaker 3: Maybe versatility in the All Star Game is the new thing,
19:18
Speaker 3: and maybe that is the best case for putting Zach
19:21
Speaker 3: mckinstreet on the team.
19:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and you talk about exciting stuff, He's gonna
19:26
Speaker 1: do something exciting. I bet you put them in there.
19:28
Speaker 3: So yeah, picture wise, if Hunter Brown or someone worried
19:32
Speaker 3: a bow out, there's probably other pictures.
19:34
Speaker 2: But best Kaine Lee certainly in consideration.
19:37
Speaker 3: I think case he might, you know, if not for
19:40
Speaker 3: his i el stint, he might be an All Star
19:43
Speaker 3: pitcher and maybe could still be in some consideration. There
19:48
Speaker 3: obviously be Tore Dingler have played themselves to right on
19:52
Speaker 3: the fringe of that. It's probably hard to see either
19:54
Speaker 3: of those guys getting in. But you know, something Scooble said, like, hey,
19:58
Speaker 3: we have the best record in the American League. I
19:59
Speaker 3: think we should have more representation there. I'm a little
20:02
Speaker 3: bit of a forceful quote from the ACE, but he's
20:05
Speaker 3: sticking up for his team, and yeah, a team that
20:09
Speaker 3: do they deserve more respect?
20:10
Speaker 4: I don't know.
20:11
Speaker 3: I think people in baseball have a lot of respect
20:14
Speaker 3: national nationwide.
20:17
Speaker 2: Fans, I don't know.
20:18
Speaker 3: And if you just look at the numbers, they don't
20:20
Speaker 3: have other than School and Riley Green bona fide clear
20:24
Speaker 3: cut All Stars. But they do obviously have several guys
20:27
Speaker 3: who've played at a very high level and deserve to
20:29
Speaker 3: be in this conversation.
20:31
Speaker 1: All right, well we are going to parlay that conversation
20:34
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I mean, you know, like
21:47
Speaker 1: so many things happening, especially at the end of that game.
21:50
Speaker 1: We like we should have really talked about caseymid more
21:53
Speaker 1: than you know, twenty something minutes into this podcast because Saturday, Man,
21:57
Speaker 1: that was that was fun. That was fun Casey Mice,
22:01
Speaker 1: I mean, his velocity was up, he was working the
22:04
Speaker 1: splitter when he needed to. I believe I have this
22:09
Speaker 1: correc I wrote it down. His last pitch, he goes,
22:12
Speaker 1: what one hundred plus how many pitches was that? One
22:13
Speaker 1: hundred plus one hundred and two? So the one hundred
22:17
Speaker 1: and second pitch of the game in the seventh inning
22:20
Speaker 1: he gets and he throws ninety six mile an hour fastball.
22:24
Speaker 1: And again for Casey, it's always like the little things
22:27
Speaker 1: with Casey. That's been the Casey Mies experience. And that's
22:30
Speaker 1: like a little thing where I was like, man, like,
22:33
Speaker 1: I obviously relean up to that point you can tell
22:35
Speaker 1: he's on it, but like at that point I was like,
22:38
Speaker 1: he's on it, like he he It was like a
22:40
Speaker 1: little mini schoobl moment. You know, he let out yell
22:43
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like ninety six painted one hundred and
22:46
Speaker 1: second pitch. I'll take that from Casey Mice and right now,
22:51
Speaker 1: pecking order best argument for your number.
22:54
Speaker 3: Two you know, Jasey mis right now as of today
22:59
Speaker 3: is Casey and I think that's the big question going
23:02
Speaker 3: forward here and like we have here on our display,
23:04
Speaker 3: if you're watching on YouTube, how good is Casey Mice?
23:08
Speaker 3: Maybe we shouldn't over overcomplicate this. It is July Miss
23:12
Speaker 3: made fifteen starts and he has a two six three
23:16
Speaker 3: er that is pretty legit. He's already tied a career
23:19
Speaker 3: high in war at one point three.
23:23
Speaker 2: Just the er alone. He is pitching like a number
23:26
Speaker 2: two starter.
23:28
Speaker 3: The question I think is he a bona fide frontline
23:32
Speaker 3: guy or is he a mid rotation type starter. And
23:36
Speaker 3: that's where you look at some of the underlying metrics
23:39
Speaker 3: and it's still he is outperforming kind of all of them.
23:43
Speaker 3: His FIP is three seven nine, his ex FIP is four.
23:46
Speaker 3: I know people don't always want to hear those abbreviations,
23:50
Speaker 3: but the big thing to me, he does still have
23:52
Speaker 3: to miss more bats. His splitter goes has been at
23:54
Speaker 3: times this year, only got one swing and miss against
23:56
Speaker 3: a Guardian's lineup. That's not very good. Now, he still
23:59
Speaker 3: had results twise, his best outing the whole season because
24:03
Speaker 3: his command was one point. And we shouldn't overlook that
24:06
Speaker 3: he has the highest first pitch strike rate of his career.
24:08
Speaker 3: He has the highest overall strike rate of his career.
24:11
Speaker 3: That's what's led him to so much success. Command, especially
24:14
Speaker 3: fastball command, and I think even without swinging this stuff,
24:17
Speaker 3: if he keeps commanding the fastball as well, he's going
24:20
Speaker 3: to be able to have a lot of success. But
24:23
Speaker 3: the thing to get that next tier or to sustain
24:26
Speaker 3: a two six three era, they're probably going to have
24:28
Speaker 3: to average more than seven strikeouts per nine innings. You're
24:31
Speaker 3: probably going to have to have a whiff rate that's
24:34
Speaker 3: higher than the forty first percentile. His whiff and chase
24:37
Speaker 3: rates are up only slightly from last season, so one
24:42
Speaker 3: of the big flaws in case he Mis's game has
24:44
Speaker 3: only kind of marginally improved. We've seen glimpses where it's
24:49
Speaker 3: been a lot better, where he has had that power
24:51
Speaker 3: splitter in addition to really good command. I want to
24:54
Speaker 3: see a little more of that before I guess, like
24:57
Speaker 3: we get too out of ourselves. But same time, six
25:00
Speaker 3: straight starts too or fewer own runs, he just keeps
25:04
Speaker 3: going out in pitching quality baseball. Maybe we shouldn't overanalyze
25:08
Speaker 3: it too much.
25:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're like Casey Maize is actually kind of,
25:14
Speaker 1: in my opinion, in a little bit of a he's
25:17
Speaker 1: in an interesting national situation. And what I mean by
25:22
Speaker 1: that is you just laid out like the numbers and
25:26
Speaker 1: like the earned runs of his last six starts and
25:29
Speaker 1: all that's like great, and he's pitching on the best
25:32
Speaker 1: team in the American League, one of the best teams
25:33
Speaker 1: in baseball. He's a former one one, but he is
25:38
Speaker 1: not a he's certainly not a one to one in
25:41
Speaker 1: Tigers discussion. He's not a one to one on his
25:43
Speaker 1: own staff. Like it's obviously schooble, you know what I mean,
25:46
Speaker 1: and even to a certain extent the infrastructure that the
25:49
Speaker 1: Tigers have for their pitching department. But at the same
25:53
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like he is on the
25:59
Speaker 1: path to get there, like he like you'll get one
26:02
Speaker 1: of those all Star spots perhaps or whatever. And then
26:05
Speaker 1: people start being like, oh yeah, like Auburn, right, Like
26:10
Speaker 1: like like wasn't he because you know, injuries, multiple injuries
26:15
Speaker 1: and then just you know, the team not being so
26:16
Speaker 1: hot and then him not being a a face of
26:20
Speaker 1: that postseason run last year, like it kind of swept
26:23
Speaker 1: under the rug a little bit. And this is this
26:25
Speaker 1: stretch has been like a an announcement of sorts for
26:29
Speaker 1: Casey Mice. Uh And and like there's going like at
26:33
Speaker 1: this rate, there is going to be like some sort
26:37
Speaker 1: of you know, Nash another like that was a nationally
26:39
Speaker 1: televised game. You see what I'm saying That he was
26:42
Speaker 1: starting against a team that was in the ALCS last year,
26:46
Speaker 1: So like that kind of stuff like matters. And I
26:47
Speaker 1: think we're we're in the beginning of like a national
26:51
Speaker 1: rere recognition of Casey Mice.
26:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and.
26:59
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I I'll know Casey at all, but
27:01
Speaker 1: I think he's probably a okay with like, you know,
27:04
Speaker 1: just kind of going out doing his thing help you know,
27:07
Speaker 1: you know, get getting W's don necessarily for his record,
27:09
Speaker 1: but like team W's and seeing his his palateric schooble
27:13
Speaker 1: get a lot of back lays. I think I think
27:15
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good, uh, pretty good life for Casey Miiz.
27:18
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty.
27:19
Speaker 2: Pretty happy with that. But I think.
27:23
Speaker 3: You see, I hold himself to his high as standard
27:26
Speaker 3: as anyone in this clubhouse. Schoble included, like, I think
27:29
Speaker 3: Casey knows he can be even better and wants to
27:32
Speaker 3: be even better. That's also a testament just the fact
27:36
Speaker 3: he's pitching at this level, just everything he's been through,
27:39
Speaker 3: the work he had to put in. I think look
27:40
Speaker 3: himself in the mirror, got left off the postseason roster.
27:44
Speaker 3: I think he really had to self evaluate this offseason
27:46
Speaker 3: and say, like, Okay, how.
27:48
Speaker 2: Am I gonna be?
27:50
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be the guy that Tigers drafted me
27:52
Speaker 3: to be the guy I expect myself to be. He
27:56
Speaker 3: made some meaningful changes, he recommitted. Also, he didn't do
28:00
Speaker 3: anything drastic. He recommended to the things that made him good,
28:03
Speaker 3: the splitter and fastball, command some little tweaks with the slider,
28:08
Speaker 3: maybe rather than trying to overanalyze and be too fine
28:11
Speaker 3: and be too much of a perfectionist like I would argue,
28:14
Speaker 3: maybe that's been In addition to injuries, the biggest impediment
28:17
Speaker 3: with Maes' career so far is the fact that he
28:20
Speaker 3: holds himself to such a high standard. So in a way,
28:22
Speaker 3: he's self evaluated and he also gave himself maybe a
28:25
Speaker 3: little bit of grace. Now he's back doing the things
28:28
Speaker 3: that we've wanted to see him do all along.
28:31
Speaker 2: And that's the story.
28:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think the postseason element of
28:38
Speaker 1: that is probably the number one driving force is that,
28:41
Speaker 1: like I was drafted the number you know, I was
28:43
Speaker 1: number one one for this franchise. We went to the
28:45
Speaker 1: postseason kind of broke out of the rebuild and I
28:48
Speaker 1: was I was there, but I wasn't there, and like, and.
28:51
Speaker 2: Think that's pretty hard tacking the pants.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's got to be the number one.
28:55
Speaker 1: Like I am that guy that can help lead this
28:58
Speaker 1: team to whatever. So I think that's that's gotta be
29:00
Speaker 1: the number one. Number one motivated for Casey. But keep
29:03
Speaker 1: doing like this. It's not gonna be a really hard
29:05
Speaker 1: decision whether it's two or three or you know, it's
29:11
Speaker 1: not gonna be it's not gonna be much discussion. He
29:13
Speaker 1: keeps keeps this up, So good, good, good for Casey.
29:16
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up here. Uh, part of the
29:19
Speaker 1: All Star festivities will be Max Clark, Kevin McGonagall and
29:23
Speaker 1: jos A Bassino, uh taking part in the All Star
29:27
Speaker 1: Futures Game that was announced earlier. We didn't get a
29:30
Speaker 1: chance to talk to talk about it, but the you know,
29:33
Speaker 1: freaking news I guess you would call it on a
29:35
Speaker 1: Sunday night after a Major League sweep in Cleveland is
29:39
Speaker 1: that those three are going from West Michigan a toh
29:44
Speaker 1: eerie double A.
29:45
Speaker 2: Obviously, so.
29:48
Speaker 1: It was always kind of Clark and McGonagall in this
29:50
Speaker 1: like past year, like Rassinio's kind of made this, like,
29:52
Speaker 1: you know, the duo into a trio.
29:55
Speaker 3: Uh.
29:56
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read their ops is and be like, yeah,
29:58
Speaker 1: that makes sense together. Clark eight fifty seven a, McGonagall
30:02
Speaker 1: one point oh sixty seven, Risino one point two four. Yeah,
30:07
Speaker 1: I think I think they had their time.
30:10
Speaker 2: About time? What took so long?
30:12
Speaker 3: We know this front office is pretty conservative with prospects,
30:15
Speaker 3: and this is an example. Man. I thought it would
30:18
Speaker 3: happen at the end of the the you know, high
30:21
Speaker 3: a first half, and the Tigers waited a couple extra weeks.
30:25
Speaker 3: I guess just for good measure. You know, McGonagall he
30:29
Speaker 3: had been hurt and needs more bats. Clerk had a
30:31
Speaker 3: little mini run that he pretty quickly came out of,
30:34
Speaker 3: and I guess Pristina had out with a minor injury too,
30:37
Speaker 3: But yeah, these guys can all mash. The harder tests
30:42
Speaker 3: are always at the higher levels. Double A, triple A,
30:45
Speaker 3: I believe, is when you really start to learn not
30:48
Speaker 3: just their talent, but like, what can these guys be
30:50
Speaker 3: as major league players? You know, everyone is fired up
30:53
Speaker 3: about McGonagall, and rightfully so, but it's like, oh, he
30:56
Speaker 3: will he play in the big leagues this year? Pretty
31:00
Speaker 3: limb chance to that unless he but if he continues
31:03
Speaker 3: to have a thousand ops and double A and maybe so.
31:07
Speaker 3: I will just say it's a lot harder to have
31:08
Speaker 3: a thousand ops and double A than it is I A.
31:12
Speaker 2: That's all just say.
31:13
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see these guys be challenged a little
31:15
Speaker 3: bit more, learn a little bit more about them, have
31:18
Speaker 3: them face nastier pitching on a day to day basis
31:21
Speaker 3: well learned. Promotion for all three of them, and we'll
31:25
Speaker 3: see what's ahead.
31:28
Speaker 1: Twenty years old, Max Clark, Jose Host Wait Versenio twenty
31:33
Speaker 1: years old as well, if I have that correctly, And
31:35
Speaker 1: I think McGonagall just turned twenty one I could be
31:39
Speaker 1: wrong there, but all like.
31:41
Speaker 3: Are you going to be copying the Max Clark Eerie
31:44
Speaker 3: moon Manon's jersey?
31:45
Speaker 1: Kiaren I mean that, I'm pretty sure that's gonna go hard.
31:51
Speaker 1: Like I might have to be like I might have
31:53
Speaker 1: to like pivot a little bit and be like I'll
31:55
Speaker 1: get the McGonagall one. Yeah, they make it, make it
31:58
Speaker 1: a little a little bit more hip. You know, it
32:00
Speaker 1: can't be that mainstream. You know, it can't be that mainstream.
32:04
Speaker 1: Let me get let me get the mcgonga one, or hell,
32:06
Speaker 1: you know what, get me my boy Max Anderson. How
32:08
Speaker 1: about that.
32:10
Speaker 3: If he's not in Toledo by the time the moon
32:13
Speaker 3: Man this made their debut.
32:14
Speaker 1: See so yeah, I mean, like you've said it a
32:18
Speaker 1: couple of times, like this year, it's like old things
32:20
Speaker 1: coming up Tigers series sweep and then you know, these
32:23
Speaker 1: guys get moved up to double A, and I like
32:27
Speaker 1: that you brought up like, yeah, probably not. I brought
32:29
Speaker 1: their age to like focus on. It's like, you know,
32:31
Speaker 1: you're really gonna want the twenty year old the twenty
32:33
Speaker 1: one year old to you know, rely on all that
32:36
Speaker 1: much in crucial situations. But these guys continued to show
32:41
Speaker 1: like this is a stacked organization, like this is this
32:47
Speaker 1: is an organization that, like, if they were on a
32:50
Speaker 1: coast right now, would be talked about as like, oh,
32:55
Speaker 1: are they the new Dodgers, Like that's maybe maybe, so
33:00
Speaker 1: I think that's what they would be talked about as
33:02
Speaker 1: it's like like, oh, well, they replicated this model, they
33:05
Speaker 1: do this, they took this guy from here, blah blah blah.
33:08
Speaker 1: It's it's hella impressive. And you combine that with the
33:11
Speaker 1: major league stuff, because you know, Boston is one of
33:14
Speaker 1: those coast teams that has the major league talent and
33:17
Speaker 1: the talent and the system, and you know, you know
33:21
Speaker 1: they were able to do with the Tigers coating against Washington.
33:24
Speaker 1: The major league talent has fallen a little short this
33:26
Speaker 1: year for a variety of reasons. So, uh, good for
33:30
Speaker 1: those guys. It's gonna be a lot of fun to
33:31
Speaker 1: see him challenge. I love Double A is my favorite
33:34
Speaker 1: level to like consume. It's it just seems like a
33:39
Speaker 1: little bit more pure baseball, and you get the young
33:42
Speaker 1: guys at like the right time, and you know, I'm
33:44
Speaker 1: down the road from the Double A team and the Rangers,
33:47
Speaker 1: and uh, it's I feel like I always see like
33:51
Speaker 1: the best baseball outside of major leagues in double A.
33:54
Speaker 1: So uh, long list of guys that you're gonna want
33:56
Speaker 1: to watch an erie. So if you if you're close,
33:59
Speaker 1: I think you gotta go because who knows, these guys
34:01
Speaker 1: might be gone in a month two, Who knows un.
34:06
Speaker 3: I'll just say, in order to be the new Dodgers,
34:08
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34:11
Speaker 3: order to beat the Dodgers, do you have to spend
34:14
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34:17
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